| IVOD_ID |
165165 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165165 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-22-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-06T11:30:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-06T11:40:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1b25429c8c6a3a8ce216c7bff83deb46f337fb9388085e3b614279fc610c108c36b710c635f0fc7d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:30:50 - 11:40:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國立故宮博物院院長蕭宗煌列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【11月5日及6日兩天一次會】） |
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麻煩請故宮院長,謝謝好,有請院長葉委員好現在故宮預計要在故宮博物院的大門那邊規劃一個工程,一個新的修復計畫那這個計畫上面也要增加一個大門的入口意向 |
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那據我了解好像你們在今年初的時候今年上半年有送到台北市文化局做審議結果台北市文化局4票同意11票反對就是沒有通過那後來故宮的說法是講說會重新再送修正後再送那目前的你們現在的計畫怎麼樣 |
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現在計畫的話是跟那個規劃團隊在討論之中因為第一次沒有過然後第二次也沒有過如果第三次沒有過的話可能我們就是要變更計畫整個就變更了就是到時候你們再送就不會長這樣是不是 |
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會再修正 現在的話我們要求團隊進行一個模擬就是說修正的方案然後做一個公開的展示或是網路的調查 |
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看看民眾他們的反應然後在之後再送那個文字集審議因為現在的你現在弄這個意象好像網路上的惡評蠻多的啦有人認為說很像防疫口罩嘛有人認為很像大OK蹦而且你坐電梯上來之後直接就擋到原來的故宮的外觀嘛 |
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我覺得這件事情可能是大家比較介意的啦是 因為它的亮體大家會比較介意但是因為這是一個初步設計初步設計對 初步設計只是一個概念因為大家很關心 蠻多人很關心然後我們故宮說實在它並不是一個真的皇宮嘛故宮 顧名思義應該是以前的皇宮但我們的故宮不是以前皇宮啊 |
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為什麼要叫故宮 是因為我們裡面有很多國寶當時政府為了要展示這些國寶 儲存這些國寶所以蓋了這個故宮雖然不是真的皇宮 |
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那但是既然叫故宮我認為還是應該要比較像是傳統的皇宮的樣子這是我個人的建議啦所以你蓋了一個感覺上會擋到原本意象的東西會讓大家覺得不倫不類啦這部分您自己參考啦反正總而言之你們現在感覺上是不會過嘛所以你們可能會做大幅的修正在送嘛聽起來是這樣啦聽起來是這樣好然後再來喔故宮除了外觀之外好像裡面的設備 |
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也被大家批評這是媒體的報導說你們最近在展一個百年展跟北宋有關的很多國內外觀光客都有去看結果一看到故宮裡面的廁所門生鏽然後就批評百年故宮連最基本的廁所維護都做不好 |
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我不知道為什麼會這樣院長有去了解嗎是只有這一個廁所門嗎還是大部分都是長這樣根文報告這是在故宮一樓的左邊的南側的裡面的一個 |
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机店的维修门所以基本上不是厕所门不是厕所门那这个的确是因为我们有马上去检视然后马上重新粉刷基本上来讲的话这个是故宫疏忽了我们把所有宴期南北宴的所有的厕所然后包括维修空间维修门我们都检视过了 |
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你說這個民眾有開始討論之後你們立刻就有去重新檢測過對 我們在那有多少門是長得這樣就只有這一個怎麼那麼巧就一個而已因為它就是廁所裡面的那個機電的維修廁所裡面的機電門對被忽略了是但因為故宮是重要的觀光景點是啊 故宮對 所以每一個角落都要維護我們的廁所在北市的評估裡面我們永遠是優等的就是有這樣的疏漏我們也覺得很抱歉 |
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反正現在都已經確定好了因為這個看起來應該很久了所以很多網友說是不是故意的因為是百年故宮所以要有歷史的痕跡所以故意要把它留成這樣應該不是沒有 開玩笑完全是疏忽完全是疏忽就對了OK 再來 |
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我們來看 很多人會從網路上去買故宮的精品這一份是監察院審計部的報告引述故宮自己的調查結果我們發現有一些表現不是很理想 |
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比如說在112年的時候消費者對於故宮網路商城賣的商品價格的滿意度是低於五成的只有四成五而且在付款方式的便利性也不高其實付款方式應該不至於滿意度這麼低但不知道為什麼只有不到七成 |
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那這個部分故宮有什麼調整的你們有什麼改進的計畫嗎跟委員報告就是110年111年的話是因為疫情疫情的話網路的需求量高可是大家就沒有去注意到所謂的那個 |
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評價不高的問題那到了112年疫情恢復以後我們正是這個問題所以113年整個那個網路商城的話就改版所以現在的滿意度113年114年滿意度都八成以上你說商品價格嗎商品價格的話我講的是特定項目 |
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特定项目商品价格的话我们要再查商品价格的话的确故宫的文物的话都被评价说太贵了比较贵这个的确是这个样子那付款方式呢价格有时候反映价值啦那付款方式便利这可以调整吗付款方式便利基本上没有问题而且我们还设立国内第一个退税的退税的的博物馆只有故宫那可以有接口支付吗呃 |
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因為接口支付是國人蠻常使用的一種支付方式現在有沒有接口支付接口支付目前沒有我們去你們商城的付款頁面去擷取的就沒有接口支付所以可能有人會認為說他比較常用的沒有機會用到就會覺得不夠便利性 |
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是 這個部分我們可以再來評估因為接口之戶的話我們原來也有想要加進來可是因為前一陣子有一些升評所以我們就又把它停住了有一些什麼有一些接口之戶有一些負評負評 對所以你們沒有要用就對了我們會再評估會再評估 對便利性再提高然後再來像我之前都非常關心國寶的保存 |
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因為剛剛也有非常多委員談到我們現在故宮去捷克參展9月12號到12月31號有展示131件包括翠玉白菜清明上河圖等國寶可是故宮之前也有被 |
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檢討一件事情就是故宮的文物過去不管是在參觀、策展、修復的開箱的體鑒人員接觸紀錄未曾想死接觸紀錄等於是一個保障當你要做紀錄的時候你會提醒自己在接觸的時候會特別小心可是以前被檢討說接觸紀錄不想死 |
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那我不知道像這一次出去展覽131件有沒有接觸紀錄到時候可不可以提供給委員會讓大家也做一個監督沒有問題喔因為故宮的進出庫房然後就是說提件然後就是出這些紀錄的話還件的話都會有一個相似的紀錄那再提供給我們最後一個小問題就是那時候故宮院長有抽點文物 |
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那抽點的盤點期間是101年到111年然後盤點了15894件發現尚未修復的數量有358件實際上修復只有79件比例很低那現在的修復狀況怎麼樣 |
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公文報告就是文物的經過這樣的一個千百年的歷程裡面當然會有很多就是需要修復的可是如果它狀況穩定的話沒有特殊的用途的時候其實我們並不會把它排列為修復的優先順序因為修復的人力永遠不夠 |
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人力不夠其實我上個會期就提醒過你你要去跟行政院爭取能力我們爭取11個人沒有通過但是我們自己檢討之後爭取11個都不通過為什麼它的理由是什麼因為總和管制我們自己評估之後我們今年會增加一個用基金聘用的人力明年增加兩個未來的話如果基金有盈餘的話我們會再增加我覺得國保的保存也是很重要我覺得這部分大家一起努力謝謝 |