| IVOD_ID |
165164 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165164 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-06T11:23:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-06T11:31:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1b25429c8c6a3a8ca7b2ffff33d62fa891e8053ceea3e5d7614279fc610c108cef82c2ad75f039eb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:23:22 - 11:31:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「因應無人載具大量投入現今戰場，國軍如何構建無人載具部隊及訓練規劃、裝備籌獲等具體做法」，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請國防部的顧部長請顧部長是 老委好是 早 部長我請教簡單的問題啦這個今天講無人機嘛我就想到MQ-9V是死神無人機啊是明年度確定可以交嗎請空軍說明 |
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包委員 這個目前進度都是正常 明年確定可以交集大概什麼時候 明年什麼時候大概在第三季的左右第三季喔 是不是跟他一起那個火山布雷也是一起交 是不是火山布雷這個不是我們 是不是火山布雷火山布雷原來要112年交欸 |
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報告委員不是 火山布雷系統原本是118他現在已經提前到116116喔好 那我現在就問一個問題就是這裡面因為我們是跟美國買美國又對軍售 特別對我們軍售有所謂的最終用戶條款進行類似出國管制所以等於是我們用他的GPS透過GPS用EGI系統 |
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我們是不是所有的資料都要美國先知道再轉給我們是不是包委員最終使用國監控協議跟GPS沒有關係不是不是不是這個很清楚是透過GP美國軍用GPS接收機設計的慣性導航系統以及I然後才傳給台灣針對MQ-9B GPS訊號傳輸的部分因為我們是地面站台單向對接的所以沒有這個所謂外傳的問題 |
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不是 要不要透過美國的有問題嗎 不用我們直接講清楚喔 實際上是什麼包委這是不需要透過美國那他的GPS只是純接收我們並沒有上傳資料出去那我們的資料要不要跟美日共享不需要 這個部分是下載之後直接到我們的地面站台沒有透過美方 |
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確定沒有 因為外界都認為有這個資訊都要先經過美國 美國再傳給我們沒有這回事那我們自己能操作好 那麼來我看一下請部長看一下預算吳仁基相關的預算115年度編了108億 |
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總經費就是我們的無人機的總經費編的是355億現在114年度以前已經編列了有185億到現在為止還沒有編列的有60幾億請問這些的計畫執行有沒有on schedule |
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有沒有都是按照進度在走目前這些您看到從那個遙控無人機防禦系統到底下的高高空無人機系統的部分目前都按照正常進度在執行就按照正常系統所以這個問題好那就請教部長 |
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上一次我問過你 你回答得很保守那今天我再問一次就是編那個1兆或者1.3兆的特別預算到底1兆還是1.3兆跟委員報告 現在就是還在行政院審議當中你送出去 因為外面媒體有講1兆 1.3兆到底是哪一個對我們是問你 這個不是機密吧 |
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因為行政還沒有審議結果出來我想我不便在這邊說一個所以你不講就對了啦那特別預算裡面有沒有包括無人機系統 有沒有有應該有嘛而且比例還蠻高的對吧我想確定的這個金額等到我們審議結果以後再跟委員做報告確定有 |
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那有沒有要再跟 通通是國造的嗎要不要還要跟美國買我想我們確定的這個項目 案項的這個部分等確定以後我們會跟委員做個報告也會對外做個現在有一個矛盾的地方啦外界不斷的批評啦 部長就是過去都是美國核准了要軍售 |
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我們才編特別預算結果現在美國還沒有核准啊一毛錢也沒有核准川普上台到現在一項也沒有核准結果你就編特別預算這很奇怪啊 這對我們來講好像要一張空白支票給你一樣啊我們怎麼審啊因為裡面一定有請問你 一定有跟美國人買武器嘛 對不對 |
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會有 我想我們商購軍購不管商購軍購都有嘛委制都有而且大部分是跟美國買的嘛對不對我們有一定的金額一定金額應該超過50%吧我想確確的這個金額項目我想還是等到確定以後再跟委員報告 |
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這個我就要提出來就是我再強調一遍外界不斷的質疑但是你到今天為止沒有給答案就是為什麼今年的特別預算往年都是美國核准呢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
354.286 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
我們在編特別預算F16V就最好的例子啊結果現在為什麼你可以先偷跑先要了一張空白支票然後呢沒有項目你不跟我們講然後你就要編這個特別預算按正常來講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
355.787 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
382.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
這個十一月底可能十二月初行政院就核准了就一張空白資料出來了我就不知道你到底編什麼啊因為你要的項目美國會不給你啊所以你然後你又這裡也承認要跟美國買可是美國不准啊在裡面不是很矛盾嗎我們應該都到時候都會有一個具體的案項然後來主委跟委員做報告當然都是經過台美雙方討論之後才同意的啊可是到現在為止他沒有批啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
384.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
410.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
我想我們等這個條例確定之後那具體的案項的部分有經過台美雙方同意這個部分我們會再跟所以你的意思就是只要我們這個預算通過了只要你提出來了他們就批了是不是這個意思我想我們在事前都有經過台美雙方的協商不要忘了喔在事前川普說習近平答應他任內不打台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
411.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
427.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
也就是說極有可能他的任內用什麼來交換他不賣武器給台灣喔這可能性存在喔結果你現在說台美怎麼樣還是聽川普的啊川普用他保證保證習近平跟他保證任內不會打台灣是這個啊你不覺得這裡面你心裡邊這個預算不會毛毛的嗎我都替你毛毛的 |
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439.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
458.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
好 最後一點 最後一點預算 我看到的預算你們明年度的預算類似請國外的顧問 特別是美軍的顧問以前幾百萬而已 預算明年度變了一億你要不要解釋一下 為什麼變這麼多為什麼變這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
462.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
477.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
包委員那個不是請美方的顧問那是一個整體的戰力評估案以前都幾百萬為什麼現在有1億呢以前幾百萬的原因是因為美國國會在這個部分他挹注了數千萬美元在上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
478.286 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
495.221 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
現在不移住了那今年開始美方希望我們在評估的這一段能夠以共同分攤的方式來執行那以前幾千萬美金 那很多錢有幾十億喔那現在變一億也不夠啊 如果照你這樣講 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
496.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
507.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
目前這是初步的規劃這個我再強調一遍以前都是變幾百萬去年今年的五百萬明年變一億這非常的可疑好謝謝 |