| IVOD_ID |
165140 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165140 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-06T09:29:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-06T09:43:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1b25429c8c6a3a8ca05c335db3abbbe591e8053ceea3e5d7b15cd27f7aef3b91dc4b3d14b593074c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳永康 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:29:50 - 09:43:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「因應無人載具大量投入現今戰場，國軍如何構建無人載具部隊及訓練規劃、裝備籌獲等具體做法」，並備質詢。） |
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好 主席有請顧部長顧 請顧部長部長早安是 陳委員好剛剛聽完了報告我們持正面肯定來支持它的運用但是我們對任何國際情勢或國內情勢 兩岸情勢我們常常用講不對稱的一個方法 |
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其实我们对局势来看有主观的有客观的有宏观的有微观的有乐观的有悲观的有前瞻的有反思的所以在这个八个条件下单独讲不对称这是战术性的不对称 |
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战略性对方的实力他的钱财数量远超过我们因此在今天的报告里面有三项提到了就是说连战的运用那这个是通常是高阶的那这个会整合到国军整体的系统也就是未来的台湾之盾那个指管情资分享甚至到了这个战术层级也要纳入这个系统 |
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那我们现在谈到的是战斗层级战斗层级大概使用基本上就是地面部队为主了那这个部分我想请陆军参谋长还有直通电军的参谋长因为这里面有一些技术性的问题要救教各位各位看一下我们的UAV的 |
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这个链路的基本原则是指管链路与硬体要符合不对称作战这个是假设我在战场内 |
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海滩附近及城镇这个是优势在我这边这叫不对称如果离开台湾海岸多少里那种属于战术型或者是连战型的那个是指管架构是不同的那这里面呢我们考虑到你看涵盖的范围指管畅通讯息优势 |
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戰場的韌性我們有個核心的議題就是國防部依威脅提出軍用頻道需求這個要跟國家通訊傳播委員會NCC |
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跟主管全国通讯频道跨部会协商满足国军的基本的任性需求不是买了装备大家训练操作但是在很多属于国内整体频道频宽这个东西的条件下要早一点 |
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跟NCC要他切割出来这个要拨给国军如果照成平时期他拨给你的非常有限各位看你下面的两个我们的前提是GPS没有被干扰第二个WiFi也没有被干扰那这种情况下语音通信频道的 |
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是8到12KB然后中等解析度10公分高等解析度10公分中高解析度10到30公分低阶的是这个1公尺那传输的速度不同 |
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前提是如果到了城鎮作戰wifi的這個固定轉播台都斷掉了這個時候要有中繼台那這個中繼台的需求車輛是在哪一個建軍的項目下通知電軍在這個地方有提供這個參考嗎 |
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鮑委員 詹克斯市長這邊向委員報告我們目前就戰術層級的部分我們在擴大微波通信車的構置那在這一次行政院的特別預算裡面我們也已經把衛星備援的這個部分加進來那後續在116到117的這個部分我們還會在全面檢討因應新式武器裝備它的傳輸需求所需要的通信裝備 |
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各位看右下角像我们的全球之音这个是军售的本来就有卫星的频道本来就有国军的专用频道所以它的解析度是高解析度而且它已经可以传输率到500Mbps |
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这个跟我们国造的毫不关联现在我们比较关切的是陆军在地面用不管是宪兵的后备这个频道就像你刚刚讲的如果现有的成平时期你做训练都不成问题但是如果因为一旦两岸冲突发生部分的地面通讯站 |
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固定台都没有了所以中继台你刚刚讲的那个是非常重要因为那个东西的条件下我们有主观客观我们有宏观围观我们不要用乐观指数你要做我们讲就是最坏的scenario的情况下我这个时候的支撑度还到什么时候这个时候不只是操作训练最主要是通讯的训练 |
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現在看看我們的運用我們有連戰層級戰術層級連戰跟戰術層級國軍這是長期規劃而且數量控制通訊頻道都有做分割現在關心的就是戰鬥層級這個衛星剛剛您提到了衛星服務那個頻道請問是one web公司嗎是不是one web |
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包委員好 我是通知市長包委員您剛講的是哪一個我講的就是Wi-Fi沒有了目前OneWeb是用在民用的部分並沒有用在軍用的部分那軍用的部分是ST2 就是這個週星二號 |
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但是你現在在這個預算編列裡面這是自通電軍的新式衛星租用服務新式衛星租用是特別預算裡面將來將來會新籌購一個高通量的衛星那是另外一型衛星並不是one wave我知道可是你一共兩年嘛52套加1000套嘛因為你並沒有地面站你只是地面接收點 |
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是有兩個地面機動的接收站其他的都是接收點沒有錯對 其他是接收點那因為你這個網管中心只有兩套嘛是 兩個網管中心對 但是你在暫時的時候你確認你這1052套夠用嗎 |
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目前我們是以最大量的需求來評估那將來會陸陸續續增加最大量的需求是指地面無人機在單位時間內使用的數量嗎 |
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你不是比方讲你这个四万八千多加五这个多少量你最大的起飞量在使用的过程中间你要有东西足够support它是因为你现在编的是46亿元这是 |
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装备设施现在建立租金可是两年后你要付钱陆军要编进预算就是成平时期不用卫星是正常时期那你就是中华电信远传你那个sim卡你要付钱的所以这个要早点规划你编的价值就乐观看 |
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几万价次但是你在单位时间内可能使用的是数十价几百价但这个可是你每一价你都要付钱你到时候再换卡是比较来不及的所以提请大家注意成租的费用跟建立量能的初步投资到后面正常使用运用的时候 |
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包括海军还有其他的优先他们讲的用的是C-band但是现在并不在我们国军分配给它的频段内那也是要用钱的所以在国防产业上我们支持无人机的国内制造但是大家都不告诉你用它的飞机现在买的是硬体到时候要花钱的 |
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所以你传回来的影像解析度在某种情况下只能用语音通讯那你暂时的时候你用AI先建置内存某个区用哪些飞机因为乌克兰跟我们的状况不一样乌克兰城镇之间30公里城市之间100公里 |
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通通除了公路以外就是丘陵地面看到的不是乌克兰的就是俄军的所以看了就打消耗型非常有效在台湾来讲目标识别尤其是高楼林地你无法从一个比方讲两百公尺高看到个东西就一头垂直下去所以在训练过程中的这个 |
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场景的模拟这个我们以前很早就也玩过这个东西了这各种的系统我们都用过像我也在国外用过OneWeb控制系统我只是提醒成平时期所有通讯可靠的时候到暂时你的限制因素发生了你要预估你哪些能力不能发挥而不是装备不好是不能发挥这个要提醒注意 |
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我们讲训练是过程 实用才是目的怎么样要把我们的准则教范 训场跟科目要融合这个才能满合实战的条件这个频率分配无人载具的活动空间含高度跟横距会不会产生单位跟单位之间的牵连或甚至说干扰到了因为分配的东西很有限如何在有限的资源下运用 |
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以满足无人载具在不对称作战的需求这个是准则叫犯对应你不能用你的无人机去对抗他的无人机他数量太大但是在岛上有限条件下我们应该有优势但这个优势建立在你要有很多机动中信台而且假设GPS失效 |
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Wi-Fi没有那就是刚刚你讲的要靠其他的卫星频道来提供这个时候数量会大幅减少所以你在写想定的时候要纳入你的作战的计划里面准则教范还有授权到什么地方假设是联机以下的看到就打那你的操作手就要负责任了创错目标了长官不扛的 |
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如果是远程大型目标你可能连营长甚至旅长这种那这个远程的都是空军跟海军在用在海上那个长官来负责那现在就是无人机的干扰器属于独立系统会不会干扰到像特别强到金马祖外岛的运用有限运用下无人机不对称的作战需求那如何与防空识别整合为同步行 |
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因为我们前两天就提了台湾之盾这里面有个很重要的问题就是参数资料库要纳入AI它才帮你判这个跟卖你无人机的厂商并没有关系所以尤其是风群攻击 |
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敌方的风情里面一定有一个反辐射你再干扰他他就创你所以并不是全部是来对地面目标他有一个是反辐射的那这个时候我们如何反反制将来这个还有一段时间持续精进发展那中科院也会扮演一个最后的角色 |
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这个是今天早上的我还是强调一下今天早上进来的目标比较少红色圈圈是中共的商船蓝色是我们的商船那因为刚刚提到了这个无人机在外岛部署做监控也是一个很重要的 |
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这个整合进来才会成为啊这个未来的所谓的这个台湾呢 |
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台湾之盾但台湾之盾整合上是一个很重要的目标也有很大的挑战我希望我们要大家来努力请部长做一点指导跟回应 |
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我想台灣之盾的確的重點就是在於那個相關的整合所有的偵測器的整合然後到這個確定目標識別之後那或做一個適當的火力協調分配然後整合到所有的shoot整合所有的shoot然後來適時的來進行這個適當的一個回應我想這是整個我們現在的一個目標 |
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那現在就是說要如何將所有的sensor整合在一起然後再利用AI的輔助來做適當的一個活力協調分配然後再運用各式的suites來進行回擊我想這個是是一個是一個是一個是一個挑戰那我們會陸續來努力來完成這樣子好謝謝部長這個大家都在努力但是挑戰也是非常艱鉅的要大家一起來克服 |
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謝謝好 謝謝謝偉 |