| IVOD_ID |
165125 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165125 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-05T12:45:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-05T12:55:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0bb7d6ea348ff1d2a04553084668149fd470ab4440ded08e6b4ef68dc504cb3c5e656c1fa01693ff5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:45:41 - 12:55:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長率同所屬列席報告業務概況(含上會期臨時提案辦理情形)，並備質詢。
【11月5日及6日兩天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝主席 我們請劉部長請保證徐委員好部長好不知道前面有沒有委員在詢問有關這個自然人憑證的這個部分我們看到內政部的報告宣稱推動多元申辦管道自然人憑證有效卡 |
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發卡406萬張您滿意這個成果嗎部長當然不滿意因為我們全台灣的人口沒有這麼少不滿意那有再檢討嗎有再檢討我接著我們再看一下自然人憑證的使用人次到今年我看到的數據到7月 |
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就今年度7月为止总共使用了7850万次但是去年113年在同一期它的使用次数是2亿 |
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等于是2.09亿次我们看到这个使用率在今年就去年到今年一年内急速下降近乎雪崩请问部长这个是不是一个警讯应该不是可能我们有一些限制我请司长跟你回应一下你们知道原因了 |
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是跟委員說明一下就是說自然憑證有分兩種一個是晶片卡自然憑證一個是行動是手機的憑證那雖然今年的使用次數稍微減少但是我們不是稍微啊雪崩啊對但是我們借機的系統數已經從 |
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云莱的900多的系统数增加到现在的1330个系统数所以说它虽然的使用的次数降低但是它每一个使用的次数都是在做线上的数位签张数位签张就是所谓的电子签张法的个人意识的表达 |
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雖然是說使用的次數有減少但是它的大部分都是在做數位簽章而且我們這個都是過去的統計的數量這因為是疫情的關係所以使用的次數當初有最高峰的時候每年可以達到3.6 |
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但是我好了这样浪费我太多时间了那我讲的就是去年跟今年比我们看到雪崩式的这种下降那我再讲一个就是说我们114年累计核发的自然人凭证是超过了1049万张但是有效期限内的只有406万是你们报告里面写的 |
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所以换句话说这个有效的比率是38%那这显示出什么部长你回答你觉得这显示出什么你累计发出了1049万张可是有效期限内到目前只有406万张等于只有38%不到四成的人 |
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他愿意续用你知道委员的意思我们当然不会以这样的数目字为满足可是委员可以听所以你知道民众的决定就是他们不想用不续办不好用但是问题他是代表一个政府在处理事情的公正跟公信能力那这个部分表示说我们在服务品质上是有提升只是他的数量是下降的 |
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那既然數量下降的話我們朝著數量怎麼樣增加會比較好那因為我們很少去外面做這樣的一個宣導或宣傳對啊為什麼不宣導我後面也確實要講多支持我們預算讓我們做媒宣啊我們媒宣去年被砍掉三成以上幾乎什麼樣子的功能都沒有辦法處理不要只有講砍因為你們服邊 |
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这个增加了这么多所以我们才等于说准结经费你还是有得宣传嘛那所以在这边我们要继续讲这表示你的自然人凭证对民众缺乏吸引力而且便利性不足嘛所以大家才不用可是我们也看到每年我们内政部有关这个自然人凭证的这个作业及管理费用一年也要四千万左右 |
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你这个系统一直在维护可是你却没有办法让民众爱用这点就是我们政府要加强的我想部长也很认同所以我们未来继续来加强我们不能发卡千万张然后六成不续办那这样子就表示我们这个产品的便利性出了问题那接着本席再请教部长部长您是否了解在报税这件事上民众最爱用的 |
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方式是什么用什么来报税用手机会是最方便我听到司长讲司长你很了解就是行动电话认证对然后这第一名他有356万件第二名是健保卡加密码所以你看民众宁可用手机好手机方便我们带着就算他健保卡加密码都比我们自然人凭证多 |
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所以这一块部长刚刚有讲宣导跟推广其实你除了宣导你推广很多时候你这个推广不是上对下而是你要真正有效的请问你们目标客群到底是谁你有没有设定好 |
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跟委員報告就是我們自然憑證是根據ISO29115的標準所以才達到EOL至少Label3的標準那這個健保卡跟那個行動號碼是沒有 |
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不要再講這個重點是我們要怎麼樣更便民讓民眾愛用你講的沒錯你這個ISO它非常的嚴謹而且我們等於是這個比較安全你的意思是這樣那既然安全民眾都不用然後你都讓民眾去用那個不安全的這點就是我們要加強的我們現在在推手機及憑證就是手機上面就是憑證了 |
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因為晶片憑證上面就要去臨櫃去申請要250塊他們手機憑證只要30塊所以我們希望在一個會期半年後我們可以看到能夠有成果很快的本席要再請教部長少子高齡化已經是國安的危機所以本席想請教劉部長現在國籍法的修法我們 |
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這個認為是引進心血留住人才的關鍵那部長您皺了眉頭是怎麼樣這個國籍法的修正草案現在有沒有最新進度我們內政部不是有在演你國籍法的部分我們目前都是採取的管理機制大概就是以中華民國國民的身份證件這樣的一個處理方向 |
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但是您剛有串聯到說是少子化跟高齡化我就比較不清楚少子化跟高齡化跟國籍法有什麼關係就是請委員再明示一下我們指的就是我們人才還有我們有一些心血那個您的幕僚有在跟您說明現在我主要要問的是我們內政部對國籍法的這個修法是不是現在有在進行 |
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都没有目前没有收到行政院的指示所以我们并没有朝这方向那如果委员提到是有关劳动力完全没有着手进行如果您提到有关劳动力的揽财的部分的话大致上是放在我们的移民署方面所以不是在我们这不是国际法 |
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那我们内政部也没有针对我们人才类别还有数量都没有移民的部分就是说如果您讲的是外国的移民到台湾来的话规划会规划回来的规划是在国际法但是如果是揽财的部分第一个是国发会还有揽财专法 |
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對 所以我問的是國籍法你剛剛不是說規劃是規劃是負責規劃但是規劃第一個就是他要麼就是婚姻移民要麼就是他的小孩只是規劃取得國籍的這個方式 對 |
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那所以我想了解我們這個現行的規劃程序常常被反映非常的冗長那財力證明還有等規定對弱勢移民不友善那我們請問你們有掌握最近三年規劃案件的平均審查時間是多久嗎 |
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如果相关的文件齐备我们其实会很快就核准很快是吧还是你会后提供近三年规划案件平均审查的时间所以现在针对这个部分我们没有在修国籍法目前没有没有好没关系那我们之后再找你们相关单位讨论好谢谢谢谢 |