| IVOD_ID |
165112 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165112 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-05T12:57:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-05T13:06:52+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0bb7d6ea348ff1d231707e1682164bae5a7dc8d9023f59e56b4ef68dc504cb3caec69ac5727ffa9d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊曜 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:57:05 - 13:06:52 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：（上午9時起）
邀請環境部部長、經濟部、內政部、農業部、交通部、行政院公共工程委員會就「非法棄置到城市採礦：檢討環境部環境管理署執法痛點與城市採礦推動策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
（下午2時起。若上午議程尚未結束，待結束後接續召開）
一、繼續審查
(一)委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「噪音管制法第二十六條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案。
(二)委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「噪音管制法第二十六條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案。
(三)委員張智倫等17人擬具「噪音管制法第二十六條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案。
(四)委員王育敏等24人擬具「噪音管制法第二十六條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案。
(五)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「噪音管制法第二十六條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案。
(六)委員黃健豪等19人擬具「噪音管制法第二十六條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案。
(七)委員牛煦庭等25人擬具「噪音管制法第二條及第二十六條條文修正草案」案。
(八)委員羅明才等20人擬具「噪音管制法第二十六條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案。
(九)委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「噪音管制法第二十六條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案。
二、審查
(一)委員林倩綺等16人擬具「噪音管制法第二十六條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案。
(二)委員洪孟楷等16人擬具「噪音管制法第二十六條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案。
(三)委員廖偉翔等16人擬具「噪音管制法第二條、第二十六條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案。
【二、(二)及(三)案，如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書不予審查】【逐條討論】） |
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謝謝主席 主席請一下彭部長邀請彭部長姚委員好部長我們今天還是要探討一下廢棄物清運業者跑空單的問題不過先講齁 就是我剛剛聽 |
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您在答覆楊瓊瑩委員的時候講了一句台中市做得很好我覺得態度就是應該這樣子中央跟地方其實是一個合作的關係有不足的我們就把資源給 |
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那做不好當然為了責任的理清我們必須要講出來責任歸屬是地方而地方做得好的部分其實我倒是剛剛在座位聽到部長這樣子回答我覺得很好政治就應該這樣子就是我剛剛有講我們要探討跑空單的問題就是說合法的 |
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車輛在載運廢棄物的時候有裝有GPS然後呢他這件事情大概就是有GPS的車輛照跑然後沒有載運是不是就是把GPS放在摩托車上面摩托車跑進去車子跑到別的地方去是這樣子啊有這樣的案例 |
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那我問一下 摩托車跑進去對置場 這個查不出來嗎我們有發現 有發現這樣多久才發現因為假如是都是一般的卡車可能會有的時候會比較不注意那假如是像機車這種應該很容易發現 |
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對 就是說有跟委員報告其實我們未來要結合CCTV整個全台灣的CCTV跟GPS還有e-tag整個要合在一起變成為了這個事情因為這個警政單位是抓犯人那我們是抓非法棄置所以我們現在明年開始就要來做這個事情不是 我剛才是問說他假如是用機車多久可以 |
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你們多久會發現這種違規這個我們很會抓的組長因為這個事情還滿離譜的我以為都是卡車就是進出可能比較沒有那麼容易發現那假如也有機車的情況應該是很快會發現才對 |
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是 包含其實他有很多種樣態有汽車也有汽車然後甚至也有是那種叫做我們我們把它叫做小蜜蜂所以其實很多樣態但是我們大概都有抓過都有抓過對我現在的意思是說假如他是卡車對卡車卡車進出對置場是比較合理嘛對不對那 |
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摩托車這樣子不會很容易發現嗎包委員我們在抓這個犯罪行為的時候大部分都是從他們場內自行的監控系統或從內外帳這邊查到的如果要實質我們自己去查可能不是很容易我現在不是說你們查譬如說這個部分是堆置場的人查嗎還是地方政府查 |
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不是你們查那誰查主要是因為我們現在大概都是透過檢檢環聯合查緝的平台才能夠查到這種違規行為所以就是不是常態性的監控可以看出來的必須要聯合稽查的時候將來如果智慧圍籬建廠的時候就比較有機會 |
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我有聽同仁跟我報告過就是說他們是有同仁會用AI的方式去算 撈出來但是那個都要人 都需要時間都是要人工啦 現在他們是希望現在有在加快 導入AI之後有加快我們希望把它加快而且未來如果明年開始有這個計畫的話更無縫接軌 抓的速度會更快 |
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剛剛有回答說 AI智慧維尼系統建置以後就比較容易抓到對不對那現在我們已經有建置在2023年就建置11處那這一次發生事件的新北跟桃園有已經建置了嗎11處有沒有在這兩個 |
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這一次 新北那個應該是三年前的事就是還沒有建置之前 對但是實際上因為它我們有很多判斷的依據就是那個地方為什麼進出比較 |
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平凡或者是奇怪我們就會去看那剛才組長特別提到我們進去看的時候整個進去會整個把它扣押函他的所有攝影機我們再把它回溯去調查這件事情才發現有的是車子有的是機車等所以有一些案例其實是三年前的 |
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那回算三年前就是我們AI智慧維理還沒有設置完成是 目前的智慧維理 |
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這個講也沒有關係大概是在比較中南部不方便講的就不要講現在大概以中南部的建制比較早一點不過我看資料我們在明年大概會花23.5億來明年大概5億是總TOTAL |
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那所以 並不是明年就可以建置完全台灣並不是 但是明年開始我們廢墟清理法裡面第十條之一有把這個我們可以將警政系統及其他交通部的e-tag整合進來其實那個量也瞬間會是很大的可以整合進來是不是那我這裡剛好有一個疑問就是就是署長剛剛講的是整合嘛 |
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我問一下為什麼沒有辦法利用它現有的你懂我的意思嗎因為整個公路體系應該都有ETEC跟車牌辨識的系統為什麼我們沒有辦法直接現在是因為個資法的關係所以個資法如果我們要運用的話就要有法令的依據所以我們在修廢清法的時候就把這個我們可以去用這一些資料把它修到裡面來 |
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我們以後還是可以用公路體系的資料可是他 |
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他監控的範圍跟角度跟我們不一樣是不是這樣子所以我們才要另外花錢嘛要不然我們就利用他現有的嘛是這樣子嗎大家功能不同的教他比對我們會發展一個AI的智慧判試的一個邏輯出來好 時間的關係我最後問一個因為手機齁我直接問署長 |
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問部長 環境部在什麼時候提出手機回收的獎勵金跟擴大回收管道就是要公告的話應該是明年開始有要求他們循環率要15%所以獎金的制度是明年才開始 |
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不過這個部分不一定有獎金我們是規定回收那如果是要回收或許業者他會提供一些回饋為什麼這麼重視這個問題呢就是因為我們的回收率真的太低了12%而已嘛 |
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是不是 對百分之十二就是表示每一年我們假如說銷售五百萬部手機就有大概有三百八十萬支手機是沒有回收再利用因為是這樣子 有回收 |
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才有再利用的可能而且手機再利用的價值跟各面向都是很重要的事情所以我想這個也是為什麼今天特別必須要提出要討論城市採礦的問題我們 |
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我們不要把可以採的礦 讓它丟掉這個我想是部裡面的責任 好不好好 謝謝部長 謝謝主席謝謝楊耀文委員發言 |