| IVOD_ID |
165110 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165110 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-22-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-05T12:53:04+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-05T13:00:35+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0bb7d6ea348ff1d2522a021597b5c886367e5b5a2f2752d06b4ef68dc504cb3c7c5064231c774fdb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:53:04 - 13:00:35 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請文化部部長李遠列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【11月5日及6日兩天一次會】） |
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好 主席謝謝麻煩請李遠部長請李遠部長好 部長好侯委員好部長好 非常有精神好久不見感謝 您辛苦來 部長我先請教一下這個剛剛因為本席看到你有答詢的時候很多委員也關心到所謂的這個藝人逃兵 閃兵的一個部分那這個我先請教以我們文化部的態度到目前為止還有沒有掌握有哪些藝人有可能逃兵 |
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這點我必須承認我還不知道誰逃走不知道但是我們應該是要呼籲所有只要是中華民國國民該當兵就當兵那如果說過去真的有用非法的手段逃兵閃兵的話應該要自首也要自首嗎 |
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我想我要呼籲大家如果曾經犯過這個錯誤要很勇敢地面對過去的錯誤然後向社會道歉也向他們自己本身眾多的粉絲做一個好的示範因為藝人跟其實公眾人物都一樣他就是會當作是青少年甚至很多人的表率跟模仿的一個對象 |
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我們來看到因為你這邊上有提到是說不會追回三金的獎項本席部分同意這個理由是因為三金的表現當它那一刻是在那一年的戲劇作品或相關的作品的 |
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付出跟成績並不是他過去的一個狀況我們也看到好萊塢有一些藝人他之前可能有年少輕狂的時候但是最終在最後也有拿到這個奧斯卡金像獎等等的部分可是本席對於有一件事情我是沒有辦法接受剛剛我看到我也想要再確認怎麼會說是未來想要這些逃兵散兵的藝人鼓勵他們來拍片 |
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来说来变成是这个促进这个国君的这个慕宾 |
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我觉得这本末倒置了没有 这点我以为你误会我们怎么去找那个散逼去演那个不是 是说我们鼓励一些艺人来演这个东西来变成一个电影来让大家鼓舞士气我刚刚有讲到嘛其实我第一个军教片《成功礼赛》就是我写的嘛然后当时卖座非常好就是它有个气氛整个社会有个气氛以单兵为荣 |
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那我們請藝人來演不是這些這個曾經閃兵人來演這兩個是完全不相關的事非常好所以部長本席來這邊就再一次確認因為有媒體已經出來剛剛的答詢居然講的是說是要找閃兵藝人來演我說這就完全錯了你怎麼會他曾經犯了錯然後結果我們還讓他好像變成是文化部要跳出來幫他洗白 |
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让他有个机会来演什么军教片演什么相关的部分那到时候变成是闪兵的人反而可以拿标案啊闪兵的人反而有演出的机会那真正应该鼓励的反而是他在演艺生涯的时候毅然决然说我要愿意去当兵 |
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服役物剛才可能我講話太快了一點他把這兩件事情併在一起可是你用常理判斷用常理判斷有誰會這麼笨到說去找傘兵演這個戲非常好所以部長我就是要你親口承諾這件事情不是要找這一些劣跡斑斑的藝人來去說協助拍片還是讓他有洗白的機會我想 |
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他們的聲譽或說他們的演繹我也尊重跟他們無緣無仇但是他們要負起他們應該要負責任可是如果說真的要做我們要鼓勵跟形塑這個報國愛校國家的文化的應該是鼓勵有當過兵的 |
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不要說加分啦但至少是你不能去縱容他們這樣行為然後好像讓他們有洗白的機會吧這點部長你同意當然當然不會要洗白因為洗白也去演這個不是也蠻諷刺的嗎是本席就是因為這樣所以才覺得說你不可能找一個有前科的人來演這個正義的使者你不可能找吸毒的人來演就是說不要吸毒找酒駕的人講說不要酒後開車 |
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不可能嘛我是觉得曾经犯过错误的艺人能够勇敢面对自己的错误跟社会道歉跟他粉丝道歉他是一个很正面的对台湾的教育还有台湾社会是一个很正面就是你犯了错就道歉他有自首的勇气有道歉的勇气但是不是说我们再去给他创造机会来去那部长最后一分钟 |
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我覺得韓國有這種當兵很驕傲的文化真的我們有看到韓國有些藝人他們去當兵的時候甚至他覺得說這個是當兵練體格當然不完全是文化部的事因為國防部其實應該要去思考為什麼韓國人為什麼現在韓國我們如果說有些朋友去自助旅行韓國路上是蠻多大大隻佬就很壯有在健身的人那 |
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韓國的藝人會把去當兵當成是一種榮耀甚至是這個自我提升修煉然後再出來再回到演藝圈的時候他是可以接受媒體的掌聲跟那個那台灣為什麼沒有 |
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我覺得委員你問到一個關鍵就是因為韓國人他本身非常團結而且他的民族性很強悍譬如他自己要看自己韓片要用韓國東西韓國最強甚至他改寫歷史韓國是一個強國台灣以前早期我們被訓練成也是覺得自己很大大中國我們要愛國我們要現身變成一個偉大的軍人像我當兵兩年我還自動請求去前線 |
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就是我那個年代就是這樣子我希望台灣未來大家共同的凝聚一個作為台灣人是驕傲的為台灣打戰是驕傲的我想這是一個整體來大家都要努力的我們在野黨也好執政黨也好我們努力來做作為一個台灣軍人是光榮的我覺得這是一個整體大家從媒體也好 |
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各方面來push這個事情不是單方面可以做得到所以這是一個文化的形塑對 是不只國防部 文化部本席以身為中華民國國民為榮以生活在台灣這塊土地為榮我也認同啊所以說我剛剛您說您當兩年兵我當一年四個月的兵 |
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但是我們都該盡的依我們盡但更重要其實還有很多方面因為今天有限但是本席未來還有針對您剛有提到其實韓國他們有一些文化的塑造甚至他為什麼K-POP那麼的紅還有韓國有些時候在文化的話語權上面他們也持續的來去搶這個話語權 |
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那历史以及这些相关的话语权我觉得这都是我们未来可以再做救教的部分但最重要的我觉得还是在这个当兵散兵的议题上面不能倒英为国不能让错误的榜样变成是国人的示范这点没问题好 谢谢部长谢谢谢谢侯孟凯 |