| IVOD_ID |
16509 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16509 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-13T08:31:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-13T12:28:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:56:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/b41997f390c3528e6d254b92567b84ce521c71e7043aa1ac7a524d1b3d409a1a30bc26677d1de0945ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請中央銀行楊總裁金龍率所屬單位主管暨財金資訊股份有限公司董事長列席業務報告，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:23 - 12:28:00 |
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向委員報告請主任秘書報告出席委員人數報告委員會出席委員與主法定人數現在開始開會請議事人員宣讀上一次的會議議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第三會期財政委員會第一次全體委員會議事錄時間中華民國一百一十四年三月五日星期三九十二分至九十四分地點全巡樓九樓大禮堂出席委員鍾嘉斌委員等14人主席林委員失明報告事項一本院秘書長韓衛第十一屆第三會期本院各委員會召集委員選舉相關事宜業經本院人事處提報本院第十一屆第三會期第一次會議決定照案通過再案 |
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二 宣讀本會期本會召集委員選舉而明冊選舉事項選舉立法院第十一屆第三會期本會召集委員一立法院各委員會召集委員選舉辦法第五及第八條召集委員之選舉以無記名單記法票選之但經各黨團之書面同意亦得以推選方式行之主席宣告推選賴委員事把及賴委員會員為立法院第十一屆第三會期財政委員會召集委員散會宣讀完畢 |
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謝謝 那麼現在有陳議政委員 吳秉立委員我們也打法定的可以決議的人數請問各位委員對於上次議事錄有無疑沒有 我們就議事錄確定請議事人員宣讀經歷的議程 |
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邀請中央銀行楊總裁金融率所屬單位主管暨財經資訊股份有限公司董事長列席業務報告並被質詢宣讀完畢經過議程安排邀請中央銀行楊總裁進行業務報告現在請楊總裁進行業務報告請 |
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主席還有委員各位媒體小姐先生大家早 |
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今天呈邀前來貴委員會報告本行業務自感榮幸本行經營目標在於促進金融穩定健全銀行業務維護對內對外幣值穩定兼顧協助經濟發展以下請就國內外經濟金融情勢以及大院參議會起以來 |
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本行執行貨幣信用及外交政策等主要業務提出報告 敬請會事指教請寬開第二頁 國際經濟金融情勢一 美國川普總統經濟政策影響效果之不確定性升高恐不利全球經濟成長且推升通膨 |
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掛五一 上年九月以來國際機構大抵程逐月下調本年全球經濟成長預測值同時上調全球通膨率預測值之趨勢第三頁 掛五二 |
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S&P国宝本年2月预测本年全球经济成长2.6%低于上年9月预测的2.73%另外在2月它的预测对本年的全球通膨率是3.15%也高于上年9月预测的3.31% |
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第五頁二不確定性上升影響投資信心金融市場川普交易行情降溫各位可以翻開第六頁各位可以看到2024年的9月美國實驗期公債殖利率是3.78 |
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美元指數是100.78美國納斯達克指數是18189美國的S&P500指數是5762但是它在歷史新高在年初的時候它是創歷史的新高美國10年期公債是4.79美元指數109.96從這個表可以看出 |
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事實上從年初以來,川普的交易樂觀行情是降溫的第七頁,川普2.0政策進一步加劇保護主義,恐使全球化更趨向零碎化 |
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第一,全球化親屬美國利益及國際影響力,美國由全球化的推動者轉為保護主義者。第二,從華盛頓共識推動貿易自由化,到2025年,它是保護主義加劇。 |
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第九月 川普1.0政策效果未達預期川普2.0擴大關稅政策力道強化美國自主生產能力並防堵部分國家繞道取得優惠第十月 川普2.0擴大關稅政策力道保護主義加劇它有多重的目標第一個是邊境的安全第二個是國安的戰略第三個是公平交易 |
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另外,川普2.0擴大關稅政策,藉此強化重要關鍵物資在美國生產,並防堵過去席產地資政策破口。 |
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第十二月各位可以參考美國與加冒中戶關稅政策對各國經濟成長力跟通膨的影響第十三月這個表也請各位來參考第十四月是費的暫停降息ECB持續降息循環BOJ持續升息不滑人行 |
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2257.226 |
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2272.213 |
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貨幣政策保持寬鬆全球經濟第15月全球經濟面臨諸多的不確定性因素第16月請各位參考第17月預期呢第17月國內經濟金融情勢預期本年台灣經濟成長動能延續2024年台灣的經濟成長是4.592025年的主力總數的預測是3.14 |
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2284.039 |
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2304.172 |
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那國內外主要機構對台灣本年經濟成長率預測平均是3.04請各位分開第20月上年通膨率持續的下降預期本年續降至2%左右第23月2 |
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2308.628 |
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2330.936 |
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國內外主要機構對本年台灣CPI年增率預測值介於1.70到2.30平均是1.95那如果說我們考量台鐵票價及水電等公用事業條狀的影響那麼本行對本年CPI的年增率預測值可能會列為上修27月 |
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2336.158 |
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2362.77 |
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一本行主要業務的說明上年12月本行維持政策利益不變有助整體經濟金融穩健的發展二十八月二本行根據執行選擇性信任管制措施二十九月萬無三本行信任管制措施三個目的之成效均逐漸的顯現三十月一 |
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2363.49 |
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2382.321 |
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房市投機需求減少 價格漲勢縮減 民眾抗戰房價的預期心理趨緩31 無自用自宅購屋貸款比例上升32 不動產貸款集中度及不動產貸款增幅均趨降 |
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2383.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2404.162 |
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三十四月掛五四本行積極透過專案檢查督促金融機構落實本行不動產貸款規範三十五月五本行持續精進本行不動產未來持續推動本行不動產信用管制措施 |
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2431.954 |
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36月 新台幣對美元貶值為相對主要貨幣 匯率穩定告一 上年國內會社美元需求大於供給本行禁賣匯164.2億美元37月 上年10月以來 市場預期川普當選 美國總統機率上揚市場新起川普交易 受此影響 新台幣對美元成貶值為貶幅其中 |
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2436.833 |
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2445.057 |
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四十月掛五三新台幣與其他主要貨幣對美元表現相比表現居中新台幣波動幅度亦相對穩定 |
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2447.114 |
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2466.226 |
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事實二月掛無事本年二月底本行外存底較上年底增加主要反映是本行外存底投資應用的效率本行的外存底是三月外存底是5767億那外幣流動性是6942億事實四月是國內重要資物系統的營運概況 |
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2475.726 |
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2489.332 |
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46月5本行持續推動CPTC的研究計畫結餘以上僅就國內外國內外經濟金融情勢與本行主要業務提出簡料報告至於本行調節金融通貨發行 |
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2490.572 |
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2512.005 |
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外匯管理及經理國庫等業務概況則置一戶入進行著參本行捐付促進金融穩定健全營養業務維護對內及對外壁紙穩定兼顧協助經濟發展之法定職責隨時密切注意國內外經濟金融其實發展妥適應用各種資格工具以達政策目標本行業務 |
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2512.925 |
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2539.024 |
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促成各位委員頂住與支持僅藉此機會表達衷心感謝之意今後仍請各位委員實事指教 謝謝好 現在補充介紹今天現在在場的立委以及政府的官員首先介紹林德武委員 |
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2541.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2541.444 |
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吳秉瑞委員 |
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2571.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2572.718 |
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秘書處的梁處長以及會計處的郭處長資訊處的陳處長 |
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2582.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2602.217 |
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人事室的張主任 法務室的謝主任以及中央印製廠的林總經理 中央造幣廠的葉廠長以及財經資訊公司的林董事長好 那麼向委會報告 我們現在開始詢答 |
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2604.194 |
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2625.209 |
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訓導之前做以下的宣告每位出席委員發言的時間八分鐘必要的時候得延長兩分鐘每位的列席委員發言五分鐘今天早上十點鐘截止發言登記現已登記的順序請登記第一號的第一位的林德武委員 |
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2639.509 |
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2651.093 |
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謝謝主席還有這個與會的委員還有這個楊總裁我們各單位的主管是不是也請楊總裁那請楊總裁 |
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2658.917 |
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2683.682 |
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李委員長總裁你好是總裁我想下個禮拜四要召開第一季的禮監事會那有媒體報導四月電價面臨調漲的壓力那央行可能會出現預防性的升息的壓力總裁上個禮拜行政院公布二月消費者物價指數CPI年增率百分之1.58 |
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2685.962 |
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2702.755 |
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除了征服創近四年新低的趨勢之外主計總數更表示目前的物價情勢相對的平穩那我請問總裁如果最近調漲電價你認為對消費者物價指數有什麼影響 |
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2732.509 |
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電價如果說根據以往的一個他調整的弧度還有就是說他對CPI的影響來講的話如果說根據前幾波的一個調整的一個弧度那對CPI的一個影響會有影響但是不會影響不大是吧對影響不大 |
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2756.542 |
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總裁因為電價調漲因素會不會成為央行這次決定升息與火的催化劑會不會我想第一個就是說是由我們的理事來討論這個議題不過我們如果說看到我們目前的一個物價算是平穩所以說你認為不會影響還是一樣 |
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2761.281 |
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2789.678 |
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原則我想這個還是要因為下個禮拜四所以這個會討論這個跟電價完全沒有關係到目前為止因為電價是要四月份不過就是說四月份但是有一些預期的心理基本上如果說我們看趨勢主計總會看的那個趨勢是慢慢的是在下來的所以去年你看到2.18 |
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2790.839 |
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2810.21 |
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那1月2月的2.12平均2.12但是呢我們的核心的CPI呢是在2%以下已經是幾年都是2%以下那個總裁又或者目前央行考量升息還必須有其他的這個成就條件我請總裁 |
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2811.491 |
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2830.553 |
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你來述明這些理由好不好是啦 我想主要的中央銀行到目前為止我們還是看第一個是通膨跟通膨預期那第二個看看其他主要央行他的一個調整貨幣政策的調整的一個情況 |
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2831.614 |
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2851.475 |
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第三個就是說也要看國際的經濟金融的情況是怎麼樣那當然我們台灣的一個目前的一個經濟的發展情況我們也要考量那這個都是我們要考量升息調整貨幣政策的一個主要參考的議案這樣齁總裁 |
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2853.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2875.475 |
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美國聯準會主席鮑威爾指出儘管市場普遍預期FED可能會在2025年內降息但他說這一決策不會基於一時的市場波動或政策的猜測而是依賴更為清晰的數據和未來經濟的發展那我請問總裁 |
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2879.358 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2893.137 |
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那你認為目前國內貨幣政策觀察的重要指標是什麼我剛剛也是在跟委員報告我們觀察的指標主要還是通膨還有通膨的預計 |
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2895.7 |
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那還有就是說整個全球的經濟金融的情況是怎麼樣那當然我們也要考量到今年我們的經濟成長是怎麼樣特別是在川普2.0出來了以後他的一個不確定性對整個全球經濟金融的影響是怎麼樣這個是我們必須要考量的那我請問要決定升息或降息央行應該採取哪種方式 |
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2925.544 |
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2947.622 |
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我想呢升息降息呢主要的還是就是說我們的政策利率看要不要調整啦這樣喔是啊對啊就是看看我們的我們的discount rate我們的政策利率要不要調啊要不要調整啊主要的還是這樣總裁是就鮑爾的看法本席認為美國聯準會也十分審慎評估國內外整體的現況來決定升 |
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2953.166 |
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2974.082 |
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降息 余火是不是升或降但是從美國總統川普發動關稅戰的範圍擴大美股也已經出現可能反應經濟衰退的持續大跌那總裁川普上任兩個月從上月20號 |
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2975.843 |
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3000.372 |
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開始到現在美國日本韓國啊股市都出現相當大的跌幅台股也從近期的高點兩萬三千多點下跌到兩萬一千多點那請問總裁這是不是關稅戰導致台股大盤提前來反映你認為呢對那個委員講得不錯不過我認為就是說 |
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3004.634 |
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3029.791 |
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川普我們在我們的報告第六頁這邊也有談到了事實上現在是一個川普的行情慢慢的降溫慢慢的降溫那所以呢美國的股市在做一個collection因為他太高了那台灣的股市全球的股市也因為受到川普2.0不確定性的一個影響所以現在都是在做 |
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所以說我們也受到衝擊我們也受到衝擊不過呢到目前為止呢是稍微是回復到他九月份那個時候是一直一直衝高嘛那現在是回檔所以也就是說回復到九月以前的那個水準啦 |
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3070.093 |
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所以不是說它的correction是非常的大好像也沒有總裁國際股市出現一個月的跌勢那你認為這是不是代表未來整個經濟衰退的信號已經出現了我個人是當然現在好像是市場是瀰漫的這樣的一個看法 |
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3070.733 |
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3090.732 |
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不過呢 我也覺得這是還是一個回檔啦回檔就像我們第六頁這邊所表達的事實上它是一個回檔那你認為這是不是預期心理下的恐慌性的下跌對 應該是啦也有一點就是它的恐慌它不確定性的這個恐慌是上升的 |
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3091.252 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
3092.493 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
美國總統川普表示美國經濟正面臨過渡期 |
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3108.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
3134.866 |
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如果以外界來解讀那川普開打關稅戰觸發整個全球經濟的衰退的可能性應該不小那我請問總裁全球經濟衰退你認為美國難道可以獨善其身嗎你認為我們的報告這邊我們是引用S&P Global它的一個預測那基本上它的預測都認為說 |
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3137.227 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
3164.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
川普的2.0會導致全球的經濟會下降但是他對美國倒是他總覺得美國的經濟是還有韌性的所以說我要請教總裁美國到底他的優勢是在哪裡那要是如果不行那商人出身的川普到底是什麼心態提出這種可能傷敵一千自損八百的關稅政策 |
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3165.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
3184.604 |
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你認為呢?對,美國是很特殊啦美國因為它是一個全球最大的消費國當然它也是最大的赤字它的進口赤字,它的貿易赤字那所以呢,它有這個 |
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3185.545 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
3203.934 |
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他這個就是說他是希望用這樣的一個關稅的一個工具呢要達到他平衡貿易平衡的一個目的那你認為川普採取的打打彈彈的這種兩手策略對他 |
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3204.778 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
3230.348 |
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主要就是你認為他的目的想法就是那個總裁你認為他是怎麼樣的一個想法主要的我們在我們的報告第10頁也有講到他是國安的戰略也就是說他的製造業要回流要回去那個他講求是公平交易他都認為就是說因為他赤字他貿易赤字他總覺得貿易順差的國家 |
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3232.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
3260.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
都占他的便宜這樣子對還有另外他是邊境的安全就是說那些的那個所以他最主要的目的是在這裡你像原油價格的變動對全球經濟會產生影響而全球經濟的狀況又會影響原油的價格對上一季央行理監事會表示國際原油這個近年來這個低檔盤整帶動人員價格下跌那總裁以第一季油價走勢 |
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3262.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
3290.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
及各界對2025年經濟景氣的預測再加上川普擴大關稅戰的催化那請問原先對經濟景氣溫和成長的預測會不會因為太多負面不確定的因素導致整個全球經濟景氣反轉向下的趨勢所以就是說委員也問得很好事實上現在市場瀰漫著不確定性的因素 |
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3291.576 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
3313.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
那這個不確定因素呢他會影響到什麼他會影響到投資廠商的投資也會影響到消費者的消費那這個對經濟成長都不是很好所以我就要密切關注他的一個對整個最後一個議題我再請教總裁根據主計總數二月的物價變動概況消費者物價指數CPI的年增率1.58%是四年來的新低 |
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3317.938 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
3346.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
加上扣除蔬菜水果以及能源後核心的CPI上漲0.98%也創造四年來的新低那總裁主計總署認為當前物價雖然平穩但是還是高於通膨的警戒值那我請問以目前我們整個蔬果肉類啦水產品以及外食會等等這些價格上漲加上房租啦醫療費用的 |
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長勢的延續是不是會造成整個物價通膨警戒的阻因是不是啊 我想也沒有錯啦最主要的還是就是說那個能源這個是沒有問題但是現在就蔬菜水果蔬菜水果還有就是服務類就是外食啦還有房租啦這些都是壓力這樣喔對 是好 這樣我了解 謝謝好 謝謝好 謝謝林委員的質詢請請帶一下 |
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好 第二位請吳秉樂委員質詢主席麻煩請央行 請就位 |
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剛剛有在台下聆聽如果核心的CPI不到1只有0.98 |
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很危險啦嗯中國上個月的CPI是-0.7是通縮不是一件好事對那沒有錯在CPI在1以下有陷入通縮的這個可能性對沒有錯那當然你再加上蔬菜水果這個季節性的價格調整對非核心不是只有計算核心物價的話是一點出頭一點一點出頭是 |
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我以前在那邊跟你對話過一個國家最好的CPI應該是在2左右不是越低越好不然中國應該要高興就像習近平講的物價下跌有什麼不好因為他不了解這個要從體經濟來看不是只有看這個數字是啦 委員講的也沒有錯站在美國的立場川普是美國總統站在美國立場他一定是想要美國 |
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所以他其實從以前的戰略在競選期間他就是要讓製造業回歸美國全世界現在最大的問題先跳開總體經濟來講是戰隊的問題戰在哪一隊的問題現在的供應鏈是要建構非紅供應鏈 |
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就是說因為中國共產黨CCP北韓、伊朗、俄羅斯這些極權國家這一些本來的全球化最得利的是中共 |
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沒有錯啦那現在就是因為要把這個中共不遵照世界貿易的這個規則走所以必須要讓他離開這個供應鏈他現在走的戰略是這樣看清楚啦不要看表面然後常常台灣人喜歡說我們是不是在懷疑美國對台灣不好我們來認為川普是一個狂人川普在美國選民如果你相信民主政治的話 |
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他在選舉人數以及在個別的計算數上他全部都是大幅獲勝所以美國人很支持這樣的政策那或許他講話比較快那講的 |
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又可以改跟過去傳統中華文化裡面的儒家思想說這個為君者必須要謹言慎行有一點不太一樣但是他背後有他的思考跟邏輯脈絡我們回到國際貿易來講正常的國際貿易本來就是應該要balance那台灣去年對美國順差多少700多億美金換算成台幣是兩兆五千億 |
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那這麼大額的金錢我們已經是美國的這個順差國裡面的排名前幾名的第五名第六名所以在這種狀況之下我們每天假設我們兩個不要說國家對國家的我們兩個是兩個廠商就你一年賺了我 |
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七百多億美金難道你不會想說我應該也要你應該要適度的回饋吧這個是很合理的啊難道是台灣的政府對於一個國家對台灣一年順差七百多億美金然後他可以裝聾作啞當中沒有看到嗎 |
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所以我是覺得你要從人家的角度也要思考這些問題那你認為像台灣一年對美國順差這麼多很奇怪的是跟過去的理論不同台幣對美金還在貶值照理來講順差多你應該要升值那你還在貶值那因為強勢美元所以你認為這部分應該要怎麼處理 |
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當然就是說美國的匯率報告我想委員也知道這個匯率報告它是三樣因為我們第一個標準經常這樣順差還有就是對美國的順差現在就是看第三項第三項剛剛委員也提到了不過我們第三項就是說按照道理我們對它的順差對美元應該是升值 |
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但是因為就是說剛剛也講到就川普的交易行情美國的交易行情你看看我們這邊他從9月份的時候100.78到1月13號的時候是109就升值了9點多那這個就是說川普行情 |
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所以所有的辯論對他都是辯論你看一個人當選美國總統看對全世界影響多大他其實現在是全世界洞見瞻觀大家天天都在聽他講什麼天天都在看他要做什麼另外一點是 |
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我相信我們不會刻意去操縱這個匯率絕對是不會因為我們知道這個如果被列為匯率操縱國的話那是我們就很倒楣啦我們第一個我們也很謹慎那當然就是說因為剛剛委員在講就是說匯率呢就實質的貿易來決定的匯率應該就是說那這樣的話美元是要貶值的但是問題另外一個就是金融帳 |
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金融帳因為就是說CAPITAL FLOWS有的金融帳也就是說他的資金進來他的資金出去金融帳的金融帳跟貿易帳這個就不大一樣所以就是說現在基本上匯率大部分都是由金融帳來決定的而不是貿易帳 |
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但是那個貿易戰是長期的因為你不可能說去年對美國順差700多億今年可能還會再繼續增加這多年累積的結果你記不記得當年日本被美國逼的升值逼到日本的狀況 |
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如果經常性的貿易順差今年累月這樣累積我們台灣得想辦法解決啊不解決的話我們將來會面臨這個困境因為金融帳比較容易浮動嘛那你這個貿易帳那是比較長程的影響我跟委員報告就是說我們台灣現在目前我們一直沒辦法解決的問題還是在於我們的差額儲蓄的問題 |
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所以主計總署前不久就公佈我們今年的我們差額儲蓄大概又是4.5兆所以我有一個看法跟你分享前幾天台積電的魏哲嘉董事長在美國白宮跟川普一起開記者會全世界矚目大家都說這是不得了的影響力對不對可以跟川普在那邊開記者會而且川普對他的禮遇 |
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他未來的幾年會增加台積電會增加對美國投資一千億美金嘛那個錢啊如果是由台灣這一邊借貸去那當然要評估各家銀行要評估說這好還是不好其實台積電本身有錢嘛更多金融機構也很想借錢給他啦因為金融機構都想借錢給有錢人啦坦白講就這樣啦 |
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那這個錢如果能夠到美國去這也就是一個金融帳的平衡嘛 對不對至少幾年內可以幫 有點小幫助第二個啊 其實賴總統也講得很清楚喔他希望台灣的廠商評估如果合理 |
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也有錢賺鼓勵大家到美國去投資是不是公開講過了這也是一種金融帳的平衡多一點投資到美國去我們台灣就會留多一點錢去美國那這個也很好再來 |
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政府有沒有可能考慮讓台灣的個人可以直接購買美國的股票因為現在是付委託手續麻煩然後又那個費用又非常的貴使得這個會變少那當然基於國際互惠這個要金管會所屬部門跟美國那邊談嘛這個都可以談啊那再來就是大眾物資的採購然後能源的採購 |
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能夠對如果差價沒有很大是可以接受的範圍分散採購來源對美國大宗物資的採購也是平衡貿易的一個方法是沒有錯要多方努力啦對啦那所以是站在這樣的立場講說今天要面對的是我們要看到問題的根源而不是被指責說那是笑的每天在我勒索沒有啊是你一天到晚 |
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台灣是人家的順差這麼大的國家他第一名是墨西哥因為就是他的鄰國距離他那麼遠這樣的經濟體對他的順差全球第六名這是很可怕的累計個幾年我覺得我們很可能被迫 |
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累積幾年之後很可能的避職的壓力就大了到時候很可能就巨幅升職對台灣的製造業也不利啊我覺得委員講的也沒有錯不過我覺得委員也是講到就是說我們要面對問題我們要解決問題我覺得還是這樣子啦也不是說一味的就是說指責他啦我們要面對我們要面對他我們要解決他 |
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是啊 是政府是整體的嘛所以你也參加行政院會嘛是在談到這方面的時候希望你也是你一定是比我們更高明啦但是對政府多一些建言好 謝謝你加油謝謝委員的質詢下一位請袁寬武委員質詢 |
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主席各位列席官員大家早主席有請我們楊總裁楊總裁請 |
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首先本席想請教總裁就是近日全球最關心的議題就是在上週台積電宣布加碼投資美國一千億美金台幣3.3兆以上讓全世界產業界競爭也成為 |
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這個政經啊然後也成為全美國政壇的焦點尤其在國會演說川普這個也大力讚揚台積電強調說沒有給錢台積電就來投資他意圖展現他自己比拜登更具有經濟實力更高明 |
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這顯示出台積電的決策不僅僅是經濟行為也牽涉到國際政治還有經濟競爭對台灣而言最大的擔憂是我們的護國神山出走所帶來的風險台大的副教授邱浩傑指出 |
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避險機制的高成本投資可能會掏空台灣的晶圓代工訂單更可能會快速消耗台灣的外匯存底那我要這邊要請教楊總裁台積電的巨額海外投資是否會導致大量美元資金的流出影響我國外匯存底會不會 |
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我們的局處也有針對這個問題我們也有討論過不過我們一直認為在短期之內應該是不至於短期之內我們會慢慢的來觀察它的一個情況因為第一個 |
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我們你想想看就是說台積電他的他到那邊去投資他所要的美元那事實上呢台積電他賺的美元是很多的他不必要就是說是在市場這邊買美元然後到那邊去投資不必要不是不是當然就是說我們台灣最具競爭力跟影響力的 |
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就是以半導體產業為核心的高科技產業在全球供應鏈重組還有地緣政治的變動台灣企業面臨前所未有的外部壓力還有內部的一個挑戰所以說台積電宣布投資一千億美金那只是台灣高科技產業赴美投資的第一槍尤其在川普的執政下恐怕不只台積電還有更多的龍頭企業在台灣的龍頭企業不管是半導體 電子 AI |
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這些都受到了這些壓力或者是誘因整個產業鏈將資金跟技術輸出到美國那所以未來不管是錢人才全部都往美國走那不僅是台積電其他的科技龍頭這樣子的情況台灣是否會面臨產業跟資金的雙重外移的風險所以說對於剛剛你也提到經常這樣外匯政策 |
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他一定會有一個很巨大的變動所以我尤其川普上台之後他一定會推動更多的保護主義美國優先所以關稅大戰供應鏈重組吸引外資這些東西對於我們全球經濟帶來極大的變化所以未來的貨幣政策走向還有美國對台科技的政策資本外流跟外匯存底 |
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國際貿易格局的一個變化那央行作為維持金融穩定跟貨幣政策決策的一個關鍵機構我想要提醒楊總裁就是說除了密切關注還有提前因應我們還能做什麼 |
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我想基本上剛剛所講的那些是風險你所說的風險而且我總覺得那是一個算是比較比較就是說是稍微比較極端一點的一個情況基本上我一直覺得就是說台灣的一個產業它不會就是說一窩蜂整個就在很短的時間就掏空出去了 |
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不會不是對你剛剛提到這個那像我們台積電要去投資1000億美金也沒有事先跟政府報告然後也沒有做一個完整的一個很好的準備啊我們大家也是 |
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也是在很短的時間才知道說要做這樣子具有的投資所以未來難保其他的龍頭企業迫於這種形勢誘因等等不得不去啊這個就是我們擔心的嘛那我再請教總裁就是說升降息的部分啦因為美國經濟惡化通膨的沒有降溫的趨勢那美國也在這個時間向所有的貿易夥伴 |
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發動這種關稅大戰包括加拿大墨西哥那這些25%的這種關稅另外對中國也加徵10%的關稅加徵就是在原來基礎上又在加徵那這些舉動讓他們 |
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讓專家也自己在擔心說可能推動美國國內物價的一個推升那也會引發停滯性通膨的這樣的狀況那面臨這個成長經濟成長趨勢跟通膨持續的一個升溫的雙重挑戰在這種情況我們央行總裁有沒有評估過 |
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可能對我國的經濟貨幣政策造成哪些影響對我們也有評估過啦基本上呢我總覺得以目前的一個情況因為現在說實在第一個就是說他的情況還不是非常明朗第二個 |
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他對墨西哥對加拿大他的一個扣關稅那基本上我們跟墨西哥跟加拿大我們對他的出口基本上是佔我們的GDP佔我們的出口還有佔我們的GDP不大 |
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那但是呢對中國的一個他都要扣20%的那個這個對我們的影響會比較大一點為什麼因為我們對中國大陸的一個出口呢是現在是目前是31多啦31點幾但是呢他是從40幾42一直調降到31那中國大陸呢到美國去的一個出口呢也慢慢的在調整所以呢基本上呢 |
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他對中國大陸的關稅對我們的影響也是慢慢地在下降當中那我記得我們第一次川普1.0的時候對中國大陸的一個扣關稅事實上得利的是台灣 |
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我們台灣反而沒有受到影響那為什麼因為那個時候是台商回台投資第二個我們對美國的出口反而更加增加總裁我們的貨幣政策沒有跟美國對那貨幣政策方面我再想就是說第一個就是說以通膨來看的話對美國的通膨的影響會比較大對我們台灣的通膨比較少 |
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我之前在質詢你的時候你有提到說CPI年增率要在1.5%以下才會降息是你之前有提過我們看到 |
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資料就是說主計處的公布的資料1月份的CPI零增率2.66對擴除這個蔬果跟能源之後核心CPI上漲2.26對所以等於是說 |
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不會有降息的情況對不對是總裁是這樣子嘛對不對對應該是啦那去年FED降息的時候我們反而升了半碼所以說央行這邊的態度就是說一定要在CPI年增率在1.5以下才會降息是不是這樣子 |
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大體上應該也是可以說這一點是不變的應該也是這樣子啦我想我能夠理解說央行在制定貨幣政策還有考量這些必須要多重的考量那我是期望說央行能夠審慎的評估靈活的應對因為對於台灣未來經濟發展還有這個整個國家的一個對於美國中國這樣子的一個貿易大戰或者是這種 |
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一些政策對於台灣的一些影響會造成我們的這些企業還有我們這些產業一個很巨大的變動好不好會 會 黃安會 會好 謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝 謝謝我們嚴委員來 繼續來我們賴昭偉 來賴志寶 |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請我們的楊總裁來 楊總裁 |
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賴委員早早 辛苦了楊總裁謝謝那麼川普總統宣布4月2號要對等關稅對等關稅的意思就是你課我多少關稅我課你多少關稅我查了一下美國的產品到台灣的關稅是6.5% |
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台灣的關稅到美國那裡去是3.3%才一半啦剛剛好一半而已啦4月2號就要開始啦這樣一來會不會對我們這麼巨大的700多億的對美的一個順差有沒有影響 |
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我跟委員報告,我們的資料就是對等關稅這個全部的產品,我們台灣對美國的稅率全部平均,加權平均我們全部的話,我們是比他的關稅還低 |
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我們互的0.5%所以美國到台灣的產品值更低?對 全部 我們用全部 但是農產品好 那就以你的為主好不好因為我查的是另外的資料以你的資料 我們去美國是多少?幾%? |
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我們去美國是幾%?我們的產品去美國的關稅是幾%?平均?我這邊的資料就是說是這樣啦我這個沒有明確的那個我只是差距啦我們用差距啦差距喔就是美國跟我們的水利的差距 |
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我們農產品的關稅差距 就是說我們出口出去的跟我們進口 我們是比他高了5.3% |
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那個是農產品平均是我們是我們占它便宜的否則我們生產不會那麼大你想也知道嗎如果我們是買了1.5怎麼可能這麼大 |
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主要是農產品但是輝農產品的部分我們是比他低 |
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那你講的是電子產品啊對 電子產品 因為我們的電子產品幾乎是零嘛我們的電子產品幾乎是零啊我們對那個農產品 我們是比他高我們去他那裡是零 他來我們這裡是零啊對啦 也沒有錯啊全世界電子產品幾乎都是零啊你總裁你查一下 查一下今天看到美國對於高磊對於加拿大 歐盟 |
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要課25%的關稅 生效樓生效樓然後呢 加拿大歐盟也要對等課他280億美元的繁殖所以全球的關稅大戰已經開打了 對吧對吧開打啦 歐盟已經開開拋啦 一樣啊你25 我也25啊老公也開拋啊阿咱大王沒有啦 |
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連台灣呢 我們台灣呢我們現在對台灣來因為他沒有對美國報告所以呢 報告委員我們第13頁這邊也有談到啦也有談到就是說美國額外針對四項商品的加徵關稅 |
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那它對醫藥 醫藥品 半導體 特別是我們就是半導體嘛那還有鋼鐵 鋁銅 汽車零組件我們的十三頁這邊有談到就是說我們對它的曝險相較其他的國家來講 我們的曝險比較小 |
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所以美國還沒有對我們出手就對了對 現在還沒有特別是那個彈刀的問題我們能不能夠說我台積電投資你1000億美金加原來的650所以拜託你川普啊 |
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你可以看我給你這麼多錢是不是你就不要給我加關稅了可以嗎所以各個國家有沒有在談這個我就不曉得有沒有在談因為這個不是我們中央醫療局的職權有沒有在談我不曉得但是委員講的也沒有錯就是說很多國家也是多是在講究某種產品是不是要關稅可以豁免要跟他協商 |
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我們去了一千億加元的六百五十億一千六百五十億美金沒有錯請問這一千億這個要去投資的事先你知不知道這個我不知道你都不知道我不知道這個錢從這裡你要這裡出去的他有經過你呢 |
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因為包括委員 要經過你咧對啦要經過你啊對不對對對對他會經過我外匯市場那這外匯市場我們會知道但是呢這個他的一千億呢也不會就是說是在一年之內就一千億不會四年啊他講四年啊他講四年啊很長的時間嘛四年啊很長的時間他講四年平均一年要出去四百億美金喔一年要四百億美金喔我跟委員報告 |
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我們這個問題我們也有跟他討論過有跟他討論過?我們有跟他討論過基本上他認為說他這個錢不會從這邊套位你聽我講一下你是不是跟魏哲家默契默契當然不會魏哲家那麼忙我們的相對的對口我們會跟他 |
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你們派誰跟他談我們外匯局的局長有沒有談 |
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那我由他來稍微跟你報告一下要匯錢匯這麼多出去要經過跟你們講一下啊包委員我們跟美方之間都有密切的在溝通啦不是啊你跟我們台方啦不是美方啦那台積電部分因為我們他們在大額結會的部分金額比較大的部分好了你跟誰談啦台積電的誰談啦 |
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台積電的財務部門 財務部門總裁你不要鬧開啊 他財務長你不可以跟他談啦局長對財務長一三年啦對啊 那跟你談就為職家啦為職家你要對口啊 你要對財務才會中啊 |
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因為魏哲嘉他不會去了解這些資金的狀況還是他的財務長比較了解所以也就是說他去那邊投資那會影響到我請問你啊川普是不是希望美元弱勢是不是 |
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他希望能夠賣東西賣得好啊事實上他好像有這樣的一個傾向不過我跟委員報告就是說匯率也不是說有一個人他講的就算數但是他希望美元落市啦所以希望台幣升值啦匯率是由市場決定的 |
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你去年進場164億美元 台幣還是騙因為你就怕被列為匯率超中估不會 我們不會怕 我跟委員報告 |
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我們跟美國的財政部呢 我們的溝通良好我們隨時都在溝通所以這一點呢 請委員放心現在是不是還是被列為觀察名單這個最近據我了解 他都四月中四月到四月中呢 他會發布匯率報告 |
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所以是因為台灣就被拿掉了,是這樣子嗎?我不曉得,因為我跟委員報告我們最起碼都會有兩項我知道啦,所以兩項就是觀察的嘛對,兩項就是觀察的嘛所以你要拿掉很困難的啦 |
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因為如果說是兩項 特別是兩項就沒辦法了啦三項就操縱過 兩項就觀察過一項就觀察名單沒有錯所以這樣四月還是觀察啊因為你還是要再操縱啊還是兩項啦所以還是操縱啊沒有操縱啊觀察啦 觀察啦 |
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這個你剛才講CPI我現在關心的GDP今年台灣的GDP怎麼樣 |
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5238.488 |
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我跟委員報告 基本上我們報告這邊也有談到我們第一個我們的組織總署現在是他把他revise down但是他現在還是3.14這個是3.14那第二個國際的機構國內國外的機構平均現在以平均來講的話是3.04 |
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不會再往下掉 不會再往下跳這個就是說 這個是目前的一個預測但是他會隨著新的一個制裁然後他才會川普的關稅政策是不是大犀牛是不是灰犀牛大犀牛他是不是灰犀牛這個我目前我是不曉得不過我也可以跟委員報告他對市場的不確定性是提高了 |
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還沒有到灰犀牛程度應該是還沒有吧最後一個小問題也是很重的問題我問一個很笨的問題美國的國債這麼高佔GDP超過150%為什麼他不會倒你說他的那個債務佔GDP150%為什麼不會倒 |
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5312.085 |
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因為美國你想想看日本本身就是250%250%日本都沒有倒啦何況是美國美國的經濟體那麼大美元又是國際主要的貨幣 |
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所以你就這樣回答所以你就說150%佔事實上先進國家債務佔GD的比重都很高這樣子台灣的20幾%你緊張什麼我們差不多30%左右而已會不會到時候如果他 |
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因為請問你這個我所查到之內對不對我們的外匯存底一半差不多一半是我有沒債應該是有啦會不會他現在這個舉債太多了臨時說這段時間我的利率 |
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5393.39 |
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我覺得這個機率不高啦因為這樣的話就相當於除非就是說他把他的利率是從現在的4點幾把它降到0除非這個機率啦不然的話他不能就是說美國財政不能說我現在只能給你0那這樣的話就是等於他保障 |
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| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
5413.886 |
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如果說美國做這種動作的話 我相信啦 會美元危機會美元危機謝謝 謝謝我們賴昭偉他要是匯率降到零的話 不要利息的話就是送到緬甸去啦 這真正的詐騙犯啦 |
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5423.823 |
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現在請國務委員資訊請謝謝召委 有請楊總裁來 楊總裁請 |
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國務院長總裁你好我想我一樣跟賴兆偉一樣關心關於這個對等關稅的問題不過就數據上來說賴兆偉講說美國不是平均3.3我們是6.5 名目上這樣是沒有錯 |
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但事實上在貿易金額加權之後的平均關稅台灣其實是2.2%那美國是1.7%也就是相差是0.5%你剛剛講0.5%沒有錯看起來台灣是比較高但台灣之所以比較高的原因是因為農產品所以實質上我們的貿易平均關稅其實是比美國還低 |
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所以我要跟你說明這一點所以也就是說對等關稅來說對台灣其實是沒有什麼太大的重擊更何況呢其實我們在整個進出國跟美國之間的一個出口的項目還有這個進口的項目各十大項當中包括這個半導體那個機路電路啦半導體的機械啦等等器具基本上幾乎都是免稅的兩邊都免稅的所以這個部分我看起來 |
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看這個部分整個對等關稅看起來衝擊不是很大可是事實上是因為我們的貿易順差劇烈的成長一下子從2023年第九名現在變成第六名然後現在川普一直對於這些順差的國家譬如講第一名的中國大陸或墨西哥都持有高關稅的方式這是讓大家關心的地方 |
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現在我想請問一下那個總裁喔到底你認為川普用這個高關稅的政策是一種手段呢還是一種目的那就如同你剛剛回答這個其他委員講說我們要面對問題我們要解決問題是不是我們態度這樣子 |
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然後你在這個報告當中的13頁當中就寫出來主要的這些經濟體有幾個方式啦就是他們來面對這個高關稅的部分第一個是報復措施PEW獎以加拿大的話他就針對這個那個袖帶州的部分來進行高關稅來施以報復第二個的部分是雙邊協商第三個部分購買美國商品在上次你報告當中購買美國商品我們要購買農產品、能源跟軍品你有提到就是三個 |
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然後最近又多一個增加對美投資台積電去那1000億那之前我們1600億再加上總統又提到說GDP的部分國防預算要增加到3%而且這個部分我們不會受到三減預算的影響我們一樣維持國防預算的情況底下一年大概採購大概50億美金之多我們的天然氣石油的部分大概加起來一年的話大概是2000億左右的這一個美元 |
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這樣的情況底下換算起來再將農產品大概十到二十億啊就這些總體數字來說總裁面對問題解決問題你覺得你提出的方法當中還有哪些台灣需要加強的地方 |
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我想就是說第二個就是說也要多多跟他們溝通協調啦有溝通的管道嗎我之所以跳過雙邊協商的部分就是還沒有看到我們有對等溝通的管道啊因為溝通就我們中央銀行的這個職權來講我們就是說匯率報告 |
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匯率報告的話呢我們有談到就是說央行跟他們對話是沒有問題是說新的關稅的這個政策下來的時候有沒有新的溝通管道跟對話方式啊那這個我就我不曉得啦但是就中央銀行的一個立場溝通我們跳過好不好你不曉得我們就跳過嘛溝通我們就跳過嘛你既然不曉得我們就跳過嘛我們剛剛講的你曉得的部分嘛要怎麼做我念給你聽啊還需要加強什麼 |
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想不出來你這麼聰明都想不出來怎麼辦嘛對不對我們要面對這個川普的一個國安政策我跟委員報告事實上我們的台積電去那邊投資對等關稅之外還有報復關稅的問題耶 |
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對不對台積電去加漢布朗當加起來是1650億耶但是他以川普他們的野心不是只是一家台積電他希望建立的是產業鏈半導體的產業鏈甚至是半導體的生態系形成所謂半導體的狼帶 |
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所以目前這個為止總體經濟來說那個衝擊很大對美的關係關鍵很重要那這樣的情況底下我就說你之前已經有寫出一些方向了嘛那是不是應該在做你總體經濟宏觀的角度再提出一些可能性跟看法關稅只是其中之一了總裁 |
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你知道最近川普還提到一個海湖莊園協議這比照華盛頓廣場協議的衝擊更大他除了關稅還有匯率還有債務重整三大面向最近他就點名日本跟中國說他操縱匯率那日本很聰明 |
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日本之前是1比158現在跳到1比148最近好像又變成146又馬上升值升值的幅度是最快的你去看你這張圖你這張圖是最近 |
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央行每天在臉書裡頭更新了最重要的圖為什麼你每天要更新因為知識替代嘛因為國人很關注嘛這個主要貨幣對美的這個升貶值升貶幅度的一個關鍵但是就升貶幅度的比較當中我們看出一個關鍵點就是台灣的部分比其他國家來說 |
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比較嚴重人家都有升值我們甚至還在貶所以這個問題可能我們會被針對在3月10號的時候是0.12我們還貶值0.42最新的報告當中是0.553月12號 |
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所以說在這種情況底下央行有沒有做努力我看是有做努力啦你在報告的37頁當中呢你去年就賣廢了164億嘛很顯然你有逐貶嘛可是你逐貶的情況底下 |
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還是貶啊怎麼辦總裁我跟委員報告啦基本上呢美國財政部他不會就是說只有觀察你的匯率短時間的有波動事實上我們現在就貶嘛比較急嘛因為匯率有些時候你要看長的 |
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要看長的如果看長的話我有一個數據跟委員報告請說2010年到現在呢我們台幣呢對義蘭的貨幣呢我們升值了將近20%所以照你這樣講我們不會因為這樣子川普點名的中國日本我們不會被點名你是不是這樣子安心沒問題我跟委員報告就是說第一個 |
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我們跟美國財政部的一個溝通是良好的他們也知道我們台灣的匯率運作的情況你總裁說沒問題大家就安心了好不好就沒問題嘛可是接下來下個禮拜四我們央行要開這個禮監事會議了下個禮拜四FED也要開這個利率的禮監事會議了他們在凌晨我們在下午如果說他們有這個降息的話對我們壓力可能會比較小 |
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可是如果萬一他升息的話那我們該怎麼辦 |
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這件事應該會比較有聯動效果吧我跟委員報告啦就是說基本上呢說美國現在要升息這個跟市場的意氣是不大是違背的啦不太可能是不太可能因為現在呢所以只有降息不會升息對而且呢它的降息只是時間的時間的短或是它如果降 |
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美元就會貶他如果升美元就會強可是你上一次的會期當中我們在另一個會議室你說美元川普上來美元應該會走強勢貨幣剛剛你回答這一個代委員又說走貶這不是矛盾嗎沒有沒有沒有沒有矛盾那個委員你看看我們第六頁 |
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第二位在那個川普在九月份的時候他的美元的指數是100.78那然後呢到今年的1月13號的時候呢109.96相當於他將近升值了10%所以說還是升值嗎還是升值啊如果他走升值的話那對台灣的壓力就越大嘛 |
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你去看一下台灣最近的情況那也不是說只有台灣啦所以我們在這邊但是我不管其他我就管我們嘛他生之後我們會壓力更大你再來看看不過我跟委員報告啦就是說匯率不是看短時間對我知道你剛剛已經強調過了不用再重複我聽到了現在有一個大的問題是台灣現在所處的環境當中是屬於這種minus的利率是負利率 |
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這個負利率你在上次的報告當中去年3月你說屬於4宗比較於美國香港但是現在所有的國家你聽我講完所有的國家來說現在minus的就剩下台灣跟日本是最近剛好2月我們的CPI是只有1.58所以說意外稍微轉正一點點總裁你也算是神機妙算但是你如果說換算成台銀的定存的這個比例1.715%的話 |
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還是一樣負利率啊所以很多人會把這個利率過低的問題視為房價之所以會高漲問題因為資金取得成本實在太低了嘛一個關鍵的問題好 就來提到你房市的降溫的部分你在P35頁當中的這個部分到底你精簡的幾家銀行都沒有講你只有講說你精簡120 |
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然後你最後的講法說你會持續去觀察那你的意思是說你要用經檢的持續經檢的方式來取代可能的第八波的信用管制是不是總裁那當然啊所以沒有所謂的第八波信用管制只有第七波的持續經檢不會只有停在120會持續下去是不是 |
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我想我們第七波是配合了它的總量管制總量管制之後我們第一個我們一定要來檢討就是說它有沒有按照它的一個期程來控制它的對不弄產的放款第二個我們在配合我們的專案精檢 |
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我覺得這樣以目前來講的話呢你在B35你講說他們裡頭有一些問題就是哪幾家銀行你也沒有公佈麻煩你公佈一下或是私底下給我貸款陳述超過法定上限或者變相給予寬帶期這些東西都是違法的事情啊利用其他名目徵貸這裡都沒有寫出來這銀行哪有嚇阻效果啊清檢只有你知道別人都不知道有這麼神秘嗎 |
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我們現在在開秘密會議嗎是是是要不要公佈我就要公佈嘛我來讓我們相關的單位也許我們提供資料給你公佈公佈公佈該公佈就公佈好不好我們來這個接下來我還會再問你啦我那房價到什麼時候點你要好好給我一個答案好不好 |
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總裁 |
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總裁早安賴委員早先跟你討論一個時事的議題是我想你應該也知道賴總統是一個超級棒球迷是那其實在去年11月底就是台灣的棒球隊拿下世界的12強的冠軍其實現在回想起來還是非常的感動那當時就有委員提到了是不是因為進入了12強我們要不要發行紀念幣 |
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還是紀念鈔當然這個就是改版的新台幣那我們知道就是說如果是改版的新台幣的話他可能牽涉到了很多就是不管是我們的這個 |
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合作社的ATM還是點鈔機還有所有自動那個自動銷售那個的一個銷售機的一個辨識系統那這個評估你們有沒有去評估要花費多少錢那當然是要費很多的錢那總裁目前有沒有這樣的一個計畫會不會做這樣的一個計畫我想就是說 |
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紀念碧 紀念超的這個問題我們還是在收集各方的意見如果你讓他明年打進去他現在已經拿到經典賽的資格了明年萬一不小心又打了一個世界冠軍的話 |
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那我想這個是一個值得紀念的那就是說我們央行有沒有什麼樣的一個機會所以用紀念幣或是紀念鈔的一個方式也許會比較好啦紀念幣還是紀念鈔因為牽扯的層面不會那麼大對對對好那總裁有沒有這樣的一個規劃 |
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我們就拉回來就是當今的一個經濟上的一個議題全球的經濟議題那我們當然知道就是說去年11月我們曾經邀請你來就是說 |
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一起做專案的一個報告那這裡要請教總裁就是說2025年經濟的一個情勢你怎麼看這怎麼看其實是非常重要的當然我們知道就是說 |
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川普掀起了一個這個全世界的經濟的一個貿易戰那事實上就是說我們不管是在那個美國關稅的一個調整的一個生效甚至就是說美國的以亞還亞就是川普他課了那個加拿大的一個那個綱領 |
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那個關稅那甚至歐盟也跟他對幹了就是說他也是講他就是說他要緩制的一個措施那其實這麼多這麼多就是說他不斷的一直宣布不管是關稅的一個調整還是說關稅的一個那個手段這個我們都看到了4月2號他即將就是說暫停所有符合美墨加協定的 |
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這個對於就是加拿大跟墨西哥的關稅課25%那它也就是說在增加對中國的10加10就等於是20%的一個關稅那你怎麼來看待就是說台積電滬美擴大投資這個對於4月2號即將那個到來的全球的一個對等關稅你怎麼看它呢 |
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對等關稅我剛剛也是在講就是說對等關稅對台灣來講的話我們是比較沒有多大問題 |
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那你覺得對台灣是好的因為剛剛我就說我用WTO我剛剛也在講就WTO的一個資料就是說我們全部的產品就是說美國跟台灣的關稅來比較的話用貿易的加權平均全部的商品的話我們的關稅是比它低的但是我們農產品的關稅是比它高的 |
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不過總裁我之前的幾位委員一直在提醒你就是美國的貿易順差這個累積下來這個接近700億的美元這個是一個非常嚴肅的一個問題你一定要有一個因應的一個措施這個因應的措施其實我相信川普不會放過我們的我們是前六名 |
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雖然就是說我們是排序第六名的話可是他你想想看這個影響這麼大他沒賺他的錢他都要修理人家了我們賺他這麼多錢基本上我們對美國的順差主要是什麼 |
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主要的是資通訊所以他一直要你的台積電所有的資通訊資通訊第一個他需要這個產品而且是他非常需要的 |
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所以這個跟那個不公平的貿易這個好像我總覺得呢是他需要的那個啊你是這樣的一個看法那如果我最關心的是那個農產品那你美國現在也盯上了印度跟日本的進口的那個農產品的一個關稅了 |
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那如果台灣也相對的就是遇到的相同的一個挑戰那我們的農民會受到了很大的一個衝擊那這樣子的話你有沒有什麼因應的一個方式因為我們都知道就是說那個沒關係你就是進一步的一個詳細的分析請一個月內提出給我一個書面的一個回應接著我還是想再跟那個就是總裁再討論一下這個百變的一個川普 |
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其實他是不是在製造一個一場經濟上的一個衰退顯然是喔看起來是喔他在接受那個胡適的一個專訪的時候他也在預告喔他在預告說美國其實就是以退為進我們他們即將在面臨到一個經濟的一個衰退的可能性可是這樣美股就是股票就應聲就是下跌所以他 |
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趕快又在白宮又講了又一個信心喊話說美國不會陷入衰退這個我們都看得出來他左右手的一個緩護的一個操作那在這裡我想問一下就是說如果川普現在掀起的一個全球的貿易戰和相關的一個政策是不是會破 |
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這個壓迫到那個就是聯準會的一個降息那聯準會有沒有可能妥協最快會是什麼時候總裁你怎麼看我覺得美國聯準會有他的自己的看法基本上他是因為聯準會他是獨立性的 |
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獨立性所以你看看就是說川普說他會下來就是說他會那個recession就是說會衰退但是呢那個Fed主席Power他就說事實上目前美國的經濟還是很有韌性的他的一個勞動市場還是蠻健全的所以總裁你認為就是我這個他不會這樣 |
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聯準會不會降息所以這個也不是說他不會降息因為事實上你認為他不會降息那我再接著就是告訴你就是請教你一個議題因為我們都知道說那個美債的殖利率持續的上升那就是說我們台灣的壽險公司其實擁有跟我們的金融業擁有大量的一個美債這個對美就是台灣的金融系統 |
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會在未來會有一個什麼樣的一個影響尤其就是說近期他可能是在半年還是一年有沒有這個我們可預期的可預期他應該是會有一個很重大的影響那你怎麼來看待這些問題我覺得我們的我們的受險業基本上他們因為他長久他長久都是在那個這個市場上 |
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所以我總覺得他們當然有輸有贏不過歐洲歐來講的話我總覺得我們受選人他還是表他的一個成效還是表現得非常的好還表現得非常好還算是好因為他長久都是在這個市場上的他長久都在這個市場上所以基本上可是長久沒有碰到一個這麼瘋狂的那個美國總統 |
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不過我跟委員報告我給你一個數據在2024年9月底的時候美國公債的殖利率是3.78 |
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那最高點是4.79就將近升了1%但是最近已經到3月10號的時候它又降回來到4.22 |
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所以你的業務報告裡頭有特別提出來我沒有看到這樣的一個數據你在信心的一個喊話可是在很短的時間這個不到兩個月的時間這個震盪這麼大那如果像我們的受險業它的槓桿操作是這麼大的話那你覺得這樣子沒有風險嗎風險到處都是 |
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所以你認為保險業的槓桿開的那麼大所以它的匯兌風險那麼高所以你認為沒有關係那如果就是說我們的資產大部分是美金那一旦台幣升值的話就是說保險業的資產它的保單負債大部分是台幣那這樣的一個狀況的話你認為沒有關係 |
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我想這個不是說沒有關係,他們自己風險的控管他會做你這麼有信心,那台幣會不會被美國強制的升值呢?不會啦,我的意思就是說新台幣的匯率還是由市場來決定的 |
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是由市場決定的啦不是說中央銀行要讓它升就升 要讓它貶就貶不是這樣市場決定沒有啦 當然你的看法非常重要啊謝謝總裁 謝謝主席謝謝 謝謝好 謝謝賴委員的質詢 下一位請李燕秀委員質詢 |
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總裁早安我今天問題非常非常多那因為時間非常短我就直接進入我的課題央行的黃金儲備一向都很少人關注但是黃金今年被大家討論很多 |
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我們央行的黃金儲備將近423公噸其中有410公噸是作為發行的準備是完全不會動的其餘的部分我們每一年都會每四年總統副總統就任會做一些紀念幣的這個儲幣的來處理那我們目前央行黃金儲備大概有1358萬盎司市值達到1.3兆新台幣我們的帳面 |
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大赚超过1400亿元因为最近黄金都有在涨价那我们在全球的黄金排名也达到第13名过去这几年无论是大陆中国大陆他在4月份今年也扩大黄金的储备包括波兰央行去年也买了90吨的黄金 |
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總裁,我有關注到,您有提到我們跟美國的貿易的順差我們應該可以多買一些軍品、農產品、能源這些來平衡我們的貿易順差在1980到1989年代,當時我們其實有很大的貿易順差那時候廣場協議,當時政府就說好,我們買黃金 |
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我覺得現在看起來是家惠子孫所以這件事情你覺得我們有沒有可能在貿易順差我們也來買一些黃金有沒有可能你對這件事情的看法如何基本上就是說我們為了平衡美國的順差我們來買黃金好像這個好像也沒有就是說是很好的一個 |
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很好的一個措施啦為什麼基本上美國好像也不認為就是說你就是買黃金來平衡它的那個但美國同不同意是一個關鍵啦對不過就是說這個就涉及到就是說中央銀行就是說我們用買黃金的方式來平衡我們的貿易的順差好像也很少是用這種方式 |
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當時是沒有錯啦當時這個政策現在看起來是對的啦因為我們的黃金的儲值很多啊是啦當然啦那也不過就是說時空的情況是不大一樣的那個時候呢是購買黃金就是說要平衡中美之間的一個順差但是那個時候據我了解他也沒有承認 |
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所以我們現在的平衡貿易順差的狀況之前你提到那三大項那你覺得真的有辦法解決嗎所以我在講到這個的時候我才剛剛也在講這個問題就是說基本上我們 |
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美國跟中國大陸美國跟墨西哥跟加拿大的順差的問題跟美國跟我們台灣的一個逆差的問題是不大一樣的我同意啊因為川普 |
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他要一國一國來談所以我們要因應我們必須要好幾道不同的策略跟版本接下來總裁我也要請教你因為國際上面臨川普的多變還有我們自己國內的狀況無論是川普2.0或者是我們接下來電價調漲接下來台灣整體的經濟景氣面對的是外有狼內有虎的狀態 |
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那我們未來怎麼樣因應所以在這一次今年度的整個我們3月20號要召開的禮監事會大家都非常關注因為到底升息或降息或者是升多少這都會是代表接下來景氣大家都會用這個來去做最後的觀察那當然美國的狀況主計處在今年也下修2月份下修我們經濟成長到3.14 |
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我們光看美國就好了就是說美國過去這一年的通膨就未來一年的通膨會達到4.3%4.3%這個數字其實是非常可怕的所有物價通膨的狀態我們都說超過2已經是一個人民有感更何況它接下來會達到4.3甚至有很多學者專家都說美國市場更可能會引發停滯性的通膨 |
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那這個美國通膨的影響當然對全世界都會有影響因為包括台灣的物價也會受到衝擊那我想請教總裁你覺得川普在上任之後哪一個政策對台灣的衝擊最大或者是我們要特別關注的我想主要的還是在半導體就是在半導體還是在半導體 |
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哪一個政策是讓你最驚訝的你覺得在半導體在他的立場回歸到美國優先你覺得衝擊最大當然是在半導體我覺得還是在半導體 |
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因為就是說為什麼我剛剛也在講我們對美國的順差主要的是資通訊我們怎麼因應你覺得對我們衝擊最大所以你看看就是說你看看就是說川普的在在那個的在最近的時候他都一直講就是說是台灣呢拖走了他的那個半導體的產業 |
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但是呢我們的台積電說他要去增加投資1000億然後要增加650億了所以之後呢他就改口了他就改口什麼他就說 |
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台灣呢他就好像很滿意啦他就很滿意而且呢他改口他也不講說我們拖了他的那個對中台但是他下一步他可能隨時會變我再下一個問題目前看起來半導體對我們衝擊是最大那但是下一個包括關稅的出手匯率啊關稅其實都是我們有可能成為下一個目標 |
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所以因為他的百變隨時想到什麼或下一步他要做什麼我們永遠不會知道所以我們必須要好幾套因應的版本那面對接下來的關稅其他的關稅總裁你覺得台灣面對墨西哥跟加拿大我們會不會成為台灣有沒有可能變成下一個目標當然我們要做準備 |
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如果我們是下一個目標的話你覺得我們的移椅策略應該是做什麼樣的策略如果說所以呢我就說我們的報告裡面也有談到啊就說在我們十三頁裡面啊就說他除了他對墨西哥對加拿大還有對中國中國大陸的一個擴增關稅那另外呢 |
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他對醫藥品我們十三類這邊我知道總裁因為我們時間快到了我們的因應策略到底是什麼所以我們在這邊要表達的就是說事實上在這裡面我們的半導體是比較對我們的影響是比較大但是基本上我們出國到美國的半導體不多 |
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那如果其他關稅增加的話對我們當然有影響這個還會刺激其他的就是說半導體到美國之後它的上下游產業可能也都會跟著走了對我們會有其他的衝擊在那整個經濟的循環包括通膨的影響很多 |
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企業它可能會減少投資或停看停音在這個階段它可能停看停音它會減少投資造成減少消費包括經濟的蕭條包括我們的供應鏈可能會有移轉的狀況那你覺得 |
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這個間接對台灣當然有影響那我們的因應你會不會擔心就是說全球化跟自由化的貿易已經死了就以川普這樣的執行方式還有他的思考邏輯我們過去都講全球化自由化你會不會擔心全球化跟自由化已經死了我跟委員報告基本上我還是都是非常相信我們的企業我們的產業因為我們的企業非常靈活 |
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所以你覺得你反對全球化跟自由化貿易會死你看看就是說在川普1.0的時候事實上川普1.0的時候是我們受益我們也沒有受害只是說他的2.0跟1.0是完全不一樣因為他是比較全面性那你覺得川普的2.0對台灣經濟的動能會不會有衝擊 |
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以目前來講的話呢到目前為止的話呢我們覺得不要講目前因為經濟都要看中長期中長期有些時候中長期是不大容易去預測的啦 |
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總裁你是央行總裁你當然要去做準備跟預測啊因為到目前為止呢川普的政策他的實施的具體的一個具體的措施是什麼到目前為止還不是非常的明朗但是總裁我要一下提醒因為這個議題我們在這邊做打住我覺得因為對於接下來緊急整個全世界的緊急台灣的動能 |
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經濟的影響跟動能我覺得我們還是要有好幾套準備的模式包括我們的通膨的影響 |
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總裁你會不會覺得說對這些景氣的循環的狀況你是身經百戰但是接下來到底我們去年我稱呼你是Mr. |
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Surprise因為你有預防性的通膨你做了一個半碼的升息今年跟去年的狀況你覺得類不類似 |
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基本上我們還是覺得我們的通膨是一直在下來的那現在比較大的一個挑戰是什麼通膨你覺得接下來也會往下降但是明年接下來我們四月份要調電價你有沒有跟經濟部這邊討論過都沒有討論過有啦 大體上我們也知道就是說有討論過 |
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沒有討厭我沒有這麼大的事情沒有跟你討 講要調25%捏現在調25%捏什麼什麼25% |
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變價要調25%好像沒有吧好像不會有沒有跟你討論過那不是25%對不同的版本有沒有一些準備總裁我講不管調幾%對於通膨有一定的影響你同意嗎去年十月就調12.5%都有一定程度的影響 |
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有啦 有啦 但是呢但是你有沒有預測過他是對企業啦那這一次要調的是對民生喔他對民生 民生的衝擊會比較大一點啦對啊 所以行政院有沒有跟你討論過行政院有沒有跟你討論過 |
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我們也不必要就說討論了因為我們大體上也知道那你大體知道你是用多少%來預估35%嗎還是12%不過現在據我了解行政院還沒有決定就說要多少而且行政院認為就是說這個是他的那個委員會決定的 |
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有委員決定就說要這樣我把它結束了我還是要提醒你我覺得內部還是要因為你畢竟是掌握經濟而且這個對通膨影響非常大你去年的升息半碼對抑制通膨我覺得做得非常好因為連續過去三年我們雖然房價也在漲但是物價漲控制的我覺得相對是好的如果行政院 |
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一直喊說要漲價 要漲到 民生電價要漲到25%如果連 都沒有跟你討論過 我覺得是柏侯 柏侯 柏侯 柏侯 柏侯 柏侯 柏侯 柏侯 柏侯 柏侯 柏侯 柏侯 柏侯 柏侯 |
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主席 在場的委員先進列席的政府計劃組長 官員會長 觀眾夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請楊總裁有請總裁外匯局蔡局長陳局長還有財經資訊公司林董事長林董事長請總委員早總裁好總裁趁你還沒注意到我趕快進入下一頁請問總裁你認為這三個都市哪一個稱得上是亞洲金融中心 |
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亞洲金融中心的話我們如果講一般比較會那個的話現在我們應該就是說香港跟新加坡比較但是現在就香港因為香港本身現在所以香港跟新加坡是算啦東京也算吧他算是在亞洲裡面的重要的那這三個地方都有設置資產管理中心嗎 |
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因為資產管理中心算是亞洲金融中心的一部分的功能那台灣有可能取代哪一個成為亞洲金融中心嗎? |
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我想就是說我們不要就是說是取代啦我們不要說取代因為你的發展跟他有些時候不太一樣那不必要就是說是要取代那我們請教一下莊財你念書的時候有寫過做我的志願你的志願有沒有想過你有一天會當總裁有沒有沒有想過沒有想過那你會不會覺得有一天你可能會成為總統 |
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不要小看啦現在加拿大的總理是誰是前任的總裁啊是是是所以喔太謙虛太客氣過去不該想的事情未來不是沒有可能這一點啊我才會就是說非常非常的謝謝鍾委員 |
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給我非常大的鼓勵那說實在的你在講的時候呢我為什麼我平常不會笑得那麼大聲我不會笑得那麼大聲但是呢我笑得那麼大聲是說我從來沒有想過這些但是呢委員給我的鼓勵我們人要有志氣啊 |
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台灣就算不能取代人家成為亞洲金融中心也可以成為一個亞洲的資產管理中心有這個條件吧其實呢在COVID-19之後呢我又再度回到越南這次我去啊有個台商接待我他看說他創造一個新的商業模式怎麼樣呢他在一個商業大樓裡面底下的大賣場啊有一個美食廣場 |
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這個美食廣場我們要去吃飯不是一個點一個點去付錢沒有 他說進去之前你先弄一個儲值卡我除了一百萬月頓 你要多少錢嗎一百萬月頓沒多少啦 一千五台幣啦然後這個儲值卡呢 我每一攤呢就可以去消費消費完之後呢 我要離開了 他可以把儲值卡再結清那這樣子呢 我去每一攤呢 我也不用再拿月頓去跟他換 |
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那這個美食廣場還有誰的客人還有樓上的這些上班族的客人你覺得這個商業模式有沒有很特別啊其實我覺得沒有很特別我還想想說不對啊這個小時候我們參加原油會也是這樣子啊拿一百塊的換原油券對不對那去每個攤位消費消費完了之後呢店家拿原油券去換錢是不是這樣差別在哪裡還是有個差別差別是呢 |
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顧客不能拿原油先把錢換回來而且呢是一張一張的而這個他說我的新模式是用儲值卡對不對對好那這個很像什麼呢往下看這個就很像我們說的亞資中興啊造源投資國家發展方案 |
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央行支不支持兆元投資國家發展方案那這個雅資中心是不是其中一個重要部分他是不是創造一個讓金融業者跟台灣的這三大比如公共建設長照產業永續產業把台幣的這些產業的投資變成金融商品放到這個雅資中心也歡迎外來的投資來進行對不對好請問最後他不是原油券喔他投資完了之後他沒有用完的話賺到的他要帶走有沒有匯兌的問題會不會有匯兌的問題 |
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這個雅致中心可能是用美元計價嘛 對不對對好 那我們看看央行怎麼說央行說雅致中心不得涉及匯率外匯商品不開放涉新台幣匯率外匯商品這個非資產管理的障礙你們認為這個不會造成資產管理的障礙為什麼為什麼 |
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我們在這邊說如果原油券不能換回我的新台幣我就是去參演遊會啊我去弄個儲值卡我去那邊銷貨幹嘛我還買了什麼東西我沒有玩的可以帶走啊如果去做生意我還可以帶走啊是不是這樣所以我先讓央行思考一下你們說未設新台幣匯率的商品你們是開放態度什麼叫開放你反過來說嘛沒有涉及的我是開放有涉及的不允許好往下看 |
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金管會現在在負責亞資中心他錯的這個圖啊多元產業呢有跟無之間新疆模式跟香港模式他們基本上他們有外資跟金流但是他們沒有什麼沒有產業台灣呢有產業有投資像日本模式台灣模式介乎在這兩者之間結果現在日本新加坡香港被列為觀察匯率的操縱名單你認為台灣如果加入了讓這樣的資產管理中心 |
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這個有沒有開放外匯跟你們的擔心有沒有關聯應該是沒有關聯那既然沒有擔心被列為匯率操縱觀察名單人家日本、新加坡、香港都可以這樣做了為什麼央行不這樣做事實上剛剛你說原油、原油匯那些那些都是小額的啦那些小額的我跟委員報告就小額的來講我們也是非常自由你看看 |
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但是我們要做亞洲資產管理中心是兆元兆元你再不弄開放外匯你說的也沒有錯不過就像那個小額的話你看看我們個人我們本來是因為是巨額才不能比照個人有小額的外匯法規去管理是巨額的時候小額的話我們也不會管 |
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所以就問你巨額的人你不開放或是有部分的鬆綁他沒辦法進行嗎你五百萬一個個人我們就說個人來講五百萬到一千萬我們不要岔題它當然不是研究會也不是一個美食廣場的儲值卡它是一個造源產業的資產管理中心所以請你們外匯局好好去研究一下可不可以可以 下一頁 |
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好 金管會允許銀行發行穩定幣請問這個跟我們央行的CBDC之間的關聯是什麼 |
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我想那個穩定幣它可以發行啊跟我們CPTC發行 法幣嘛對不對那穩定幣是業者嘛 它居然是B2B嘛那透過你們的CPTC它去做個連結目前央行沒有時間表 國際上也沒有辦法推動跨境支付嘛所以你們CPTC沒有要做跨境支付對不對 往下看但是呢 韓國的央行要啟動CPTC的零售交易耶它連零售交易都要做了耶 |
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有沒有他一百萬韓元大概兩萬多台幣他一個電子錢包的概念那請問央行目前有沒有推動類似的四點齁零售交易的一些支付方式有沒有南韓現在有四點嗎 |
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我們現在試驗階段是先從數位券開始我們先不防CPTC,我們有類似的支付工具,像TWQR |
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來那TWQR是什麼來董事長講一下TWQR是什麼跟委員報告TWQR就是台灣的QR code共同的標準好那目前坊間是不是已經有民間自己的很多版本了原來是有很多版本但是現在大家要整合往同一個版本再推進但是它不會只在境內用我們看下一張請總裁過來看民間電子業者插旗韓國日本 |
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拓日報捷全支付全年的支付逼進韓國這是今天的新聞啊他說進日本跨境電資之後呢開通了這個全支付可以到韓國到日本都可以用 |
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董事長 你們有沒有應對的對策跟委員報告 我們在韓國在去年的1月就已經開通了所以TWQR也可以 是好 那是不是沒有輸給全資物 我們走在前面往下看所以目前TWQR我們國人出國去日本 韓國 甚至新加坡都可以使用 對不對未來可能新加坡也可以使用有沒有進度 有沒有一定執行時間 |
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跟委員報告就是說目前到韓國日本都可以那今年呢我們希望日本能夠來台灣使用然後呢再接著推動新加坡也能來台灣使用所以你把我後面要講的也講了總是不能我們觀光客去人家消費我們可以用什麼TWQR人家觀光客來我們消費不能用 |
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TWQR吧我們有鼓勵他們用對不對更進一步的我們往下看我們看很多潛力TWQR的發展潛力海外旅遊大家想想看去年的速度鏡的旅客人士單單是來自於東南亞的國人出國就快三百萬他們來到台灣也超過將近一百七十萬大概有四百六十萬的規模那以國人來說現在國人出國第一位的是什麼去哪裡去日本 |
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那其次呢是新南向國家佔了快兩成中國韓國還沒那麼多可是相對的外國的旅客來台灣日本不是第一名喔香港韓國在後面第一名是什麼來自新南向的國家董事長知道了嗎知道這個情況嗎是的好那央行總裁要拜託您對董事長有所要求現在呢我們來看一下往下看現在就是說除了旅客之外另外境外工作者 |
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現在在台灣的境外工作者來自海外的工作者在台灣的有高達81萬對不對他們也會返鄉消費有沒有可能他們在台灣也弄了TWQR回去到那種國家不是只有台灣的官方可以使用啊他們這些人也可以當地使用有沒有可能 |
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跟委員報告就是說雙邊要有合作當然這個發展是有可能性的是所以說如果未來國人用TWQR可以到日本、韓國、新加坡使用他們這些國家來到台灣也可以使用那甚至到新南向國家台灣的官方也可以使用連他們的移工在地的家屬也可以因為他們在台灣辦了TWQR之後他們的家人在他們的當地也可以使用有沒有這樣的可能 |
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總裁最後的結論,因為主席站起來了我的結論就是我的標題,剛剛不讓你看滾動式調整雅致中心的外匯法規,可以嗎?可以啊剛剛我們局長點頭了那TWQR跨國掃碼前進性南向請哲成林董事長財經公司繼續努力可不可以訂個時程表跟計畫給我 |
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主席 各位委員 初烈席 官員大家好主席 請楊總裁 |
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我想現在全國的所有一些做貿易一些企業界大家都很關心就是新台幣兌美元匯率的走向我想請教一下 |
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現在美國總統川普上任了以後那台幣未來的走向究竟是要穩定的曲扁還是要穩定的要升值 |
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我跟委員報告事實上我都一直在講就是說匯率還是由市場來決定的中央銀行在外匯市場他沒辦法就是說因為他供需所以他要貶的時候你中央銀行不能就說強迫他要升中央銀行所能夠做的 |
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他要生的時候你也要生,只是中央銀行能夠做的就是說讓他的波動度不要太大,就這樣子而已,所以才會就是說中央銀行主扁喔,對,有可能就是說我們主扁,為什麼?我們要讓他的波動度減緩 |
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我們是主聲喔也可能我們主聲為什麼我們要讓這個新台幣的升幅呢要能夠它的波動度不要太大就是這樣子而已那既然從你剛剛所說的供需的這個需求來看的話美國總統川普他是美國優先嘛是不是那我們也可以看到台積電啊 |
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他現在準備要投資多少一千億的美元在美國是不是增加啦增加嘛那表示說他有一千億會匯到美國去所以他需要美元的需求就會比較強 |
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那也不一定不然他要投資美國他就說四年嘛這個是四年他就說四年所以四年每年要投多少深造大概也是八九千億一千億如果說除以四就一年兩百五十億那兩百五十億我跟委員報告事實上呢台積電他在賺美金他非常會賺 |
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所以呢也就是說他事實上他不必要在外匯市場去買美金他自己賺的美金他就足夠他到那邊去總裁你的意思是說他以後台積電全世界賺的錢如果賺美金的部分他就不會回台灣不因為我跟委員報告請問他在美國的投資的資本支出他的金流是怎麼樣他的金流就是他的美金賺得啊 |
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他賺的直接就投美國對 他賺的時候那就投美國所以你這樣講就是錢不會進來台灣啊錢不會進來台灣啊不過我跟那個250億就台積電來講250億不算什麼 |
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可是對台灣的一些企業講,不要說是美金啊你光是台幣一億兩億,對中小企業影響都很大對,但是台積電它是比較特殊啦因為台積電喔,一個台積電它所賺的美金比那個,比那些的那個什麼,一些的那個那總裁,那台積電每一年賺多少美金?喔,據我瞭解呢,我據我瞭解,好好好,這個我們YHG要 |
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好 請說台積電在2024年 去年是900億美金左右今年預估會到1000億美金以上 營收是 所以那我請教你他現在台積電 等一下局長你等一下因為你這個途徑可能不要知道他賺了錢 他錢不用匯回台灣嗎就在當地直接投資掉是不是 |
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根據我們了解啦那他上次的投資他有在美國發債有部分的資金會從會在美國的子公司會發美元的債券那另外一個部分就是每年的營收的成長那當然每年的營收就是剛剛跟委員報告的一年像去年是九百億今年預估會到一千億九百億是台幣還是美金美金美金啊好謝謝總裁那這個數字你就可以知道他是相當龐大的齁台積電 |
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跑掉了以後對台灣經濟的影響有多大 |
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台積電對第一個我是覺得啦如果說就一個台積電不好講到這裡的時候我才跟委員報告基本上我們的主管機關也一直在強調就經濟部他說基本上百分之八十的業務還是集中在台灣 |
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那個是比較低階的啊 比較低階的慢慢的 高階的 通通會移到美國去啊你不信的話 你聽那個美國總統川普講的話他是老太太啊 甚至還講到地緣關係發生變化的時候你都沒在怕啦 |
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但是我覺得就是說我們的主管機關一直在強調台積電的A5的重心還是在台灣這是第一個第二個我們它的一個主要的研發中心還是在台灣 |
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總裁那我請問他所有的技術跟人才過去美國以後以後美國的員工大概有多少人這個我不曉得他要成立一個研發中心在那邊他的研發中心據我了解為什麼美國總統川普他會說這些都是被偷走的 |
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不是 他只是說我個人覺得啦川普總統他這麼說呢是他的一個話術 |
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它是一個話術它是一個策略那基本上我都總覺得事實上我們台灣的這個半導體我們的直通訊這個是美國它最需要的所以美國在這一方面所以它就半導體這個部分它就盯著台灣因為我們在這二項我們的強項從以上的數據其實只是冰山的一角你有沒有算過 |
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台積電過去以後它周邊的相關的周邊的這些上下游大概有幾家會過去不過我總覺得就是說當你在做國際化的時候你的選擇當然我在這方面我不是專家我只是說我個人的直覺 |
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因為從國際貿易的一個觀點來看的話他那邊去接近市場接近他的客戶我總覺得這個也是很好第二個你要想想看事實上我們台灣第一個我們的土地也不夠 |
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那美國他苦地大所以就是說他的資源台積電到美國去投資的時候他也可以利用到美國的資源當然美國的資源有些地方是成本會比較高總裁剛本席請教的是說台積電過去了以後周邊的上下游的企業 |
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還有一些資本都已經過去慢慢過去這個也不一定請問這個也不一定為什麼呢已經就有一定的因為它過去有一些做無成事的通通過去了還有上下游周邊的很多都會過去有沒有算過這些如果說一起過去的話它對台灣的影響會有多大 |
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我想企業是很會算的而且我總覺得他們是很靈活的據我了解現在就是說要到美國去的那些大部分都是在墨西哥墨西哥他就說在美國他也有產生墨西哥他是比較龐大那現在就是說因為他要對墨西哥扣稅所以他也就是說我們台商在墨西哥那邊他就想就是說 |
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那如果說在這樣情況之下 在關稅的情況之下他可能把他的一個作業線 要挪到美國去所以你的意思是說都沒關係就對了不是這樣子 不過企業他的一個國際化我總覺得這一條路還是要走的我們一看到台積電一去美國的時候就發現 你有沒有發現一個事情台積電股票漲還低 |
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1200多塊馬上跌破1000塊市場告訴了總裁什麼總裁告訴你什麼大家的害怕完全就展現出來了這還有一個影響請問台積電是台灣的護國神山你知道它的市值有多少 |
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他的柿子,我現在有三條所以他每長一點 |
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對台股的影響有多大?他是8點嘛所以你看台灣現在股市已經連番下跌這幾天跌很多不過我們的股我跟委員報告我們的2萬多到目前為止2萬多還好啦那總裁台積電跑掉了以後你覺得台股2萬點是不是常態? |
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這個我不敢預測因為我不是股市專家台積電跑掉了以後台股有沒有機會上看三萬點 |
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這個我不曉得,我不是股市的專家這只是一個代表對他的經濟未來的期待跟感覺就好像黃金國際的首飾一樣,本席在七年前 |
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六年前五年前三年前還有去年多次建議央行總裁要不要考慮買進黃金總裁的回答是我建議的時候是每盎司1270塊的時候現在黃金每盎司多少錢 |
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我在去年的那個我也有跟委員報告啦我也佩服委員啦但是呢我也說但是中央銀行的考量是又跟一般的不大一樣這個不考量那個虛擬貨幣你現在態度支不支持虛擬貨幣總統所講的五大虛擬貨幣他要作為什麼戰略儲備 |
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現在你是不是也要跟進 |
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到目前為止我們是不會啦不過我們會密切關注啦你現在支不支持台灣做虛擬貨幣因為那個什麼叫戰略儲備的這個名詞這個東西虛擬的比特幣還有其他的虛擬貨幣是不是能夠當作戰略儲備這個我到目前為止我還是稍微有一點Question啦稍微Question啦 |
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希望你多考量啊但是你不要違背川普啊你不要忤逆川普啊全世界的潮流在改變的時候我們還要顧不知風嗎我建議你虛擬貨幣比特幣的時候是一枚六千塊美金現在多少了多少 |
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之前漲到十萬塊美金一枚我只是提醒央行世界在變的時候我們一定要顧不知風嗎世界在改變的時候我們沒有一點檢討或思考的空間嗎 |
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新台幣的數字貨幣什麼時候要推出我們這個會期還在等待謝謝羅委員的質詢羅委員每次報名牌央行總算不聽大家可以聽啦大家可以聽就會賺啦好 我們休息十分鐘 |
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向委員報告我們繼續開會下一位質詢請黃珊珊委員質詢請現在主席有請總裁楊總裁請 |
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黃委員長總幹長我想今天大家都很關心就看到央行的報告非常的完整但是接下來台灣面對的可能很多新的挑戰那主要是昨天總預算案覆議沒有完成所以電價包括撥補的錢可能沒有辦法到位台電 |
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3月28號要開電價審議委員會總裁去年此時因為當時3月21號央行禮監事會預計電價可能會調漲所以形成高通膨的預期所以提高了半碼那這一次下個禮拜央行又要開禮監事會了那你認為電價會在你的禮監事會有可能有做所謂升息的打算嗎 |
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升息是由我們的理事來決定的那基本上我們去年12月的時候我們是估測說我們的通膨就是說是CPI是1089 |
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1.89還不到2所以有沒有可能在電價調漲之後會超過2那如果說是對就是說會接近2類為可能會升高於所以通膨可能會比我們預期的高不過我總覺得長就那個來講的話我們的通膨是慢慢在下來的 |
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因為前一陣子因為疫情的關係因為有物料的關係因為其他的相關戰爭的關係所以看起來你有很大篇幅在說川普新政我想請問總裁因為全世界都不知道川普下一步會怎麼做所以其實是一個高度不確定是沒有錯他的新政你認為說他會舒緩通膨還是加劇通膨 |
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就一般市場來看的話市場大部分都會認為是它會加劇通膨因為加了關稅嘛加了關稅不太可能不漲價然後美國人民的生活可能更辛苦但是它又要 |
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課高關稅讓美國人民不用繳稅這個政策實在是有點特別但是一樣如果說會加劇通膨加劇通膨的情況下台灣也會受到影響因為我們的關稅也會被他加然後我們也可能要加他的關稅 是嗎 |
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對我們的通膨的影響美國如果說他加關稅那事實上我們報告也有講到就是說他現在我們比較在我們的那個第幾頁這邊我們也談到他加徵特別是對我們的那個什麼我們的所以對我們的通膨有沒有影響 |
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基本上我們在這邊影響不大你認為影響不大接下來就是我們預期的經濟成長是3點多美國看起來有很多的人說美國川普也說他可能會經過正痛期不排除下修請問我們的經濟成長率有可能受到影響而下修嗎 |
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我們的經濟成長率以目前是3.14%國內外的機構是差不多3.04%如果說美國的經濟下修的時候,台灣的經濟也會受到影響 |
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第二個部分就是最近最熱門的話題也是大概我將全世界的經濟市場都受到很大的影響是3月6號川普簽署了行政命令把美國政府要求他成立比特幣的成為戰略儲備這是前所未有的所以我想問一下總裁 |
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對台灣來說對央行來說我們一直把虛擬貨幣當成一個高投資高風險的相關的所謂的商品交易現在美國這樣子的做法你認為我們要怎麼樣去看待未來對於比特幣對於虛擬貨幣央行的立場 |
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我覺得我跟委員報告還是你還是認為它是高風險我到目前為止沒有辦法成為正常的運作但是對一個全世界最大的美國它把它變成戰略儲備就是一個很大很大的變革所以我們要怎麼去看待如果說就這個戰略儲備的這個定義來看的話戰略儲備就是因為它要有信心它才會儲備在那邊跟黃金一樣 |
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這個東西是虛的他幹嘛儲備表示美國已經把它定性成為一個可以讓人民或者是在戰爭的時候他可以拿來安定人心的東西我們是不是這樣想的還是我們還是把它當成你們只是投機的商品到目前為止我也不是說那個比特幣這是投機的我們只是說它是一個價格 |
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波動非常大 價格波動非常大當它進入了所謂美國戰略儲備之後它其實現在的價格是回跌第二個因為放在那裡大家反而對於虛擬貨幣要有新的認識我說立場很簡單我們不可能自外於世界所以總裁這是一個未來的世界它必須要被正視 |
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接下來金管會也會成立虛擬資產的專法在台灣的虛擬資產管理會往前走一步所以我必須要現在這個時間點請央行的總裁在虛擬貨幣已經成為美國戰略儲備的同時我們怎麼樣去面對這個我們從來未知的世界尤其是戰略儲備將來是不是在台灣我們開放了虛擬資產交易平台以後 |
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所有的業者他必須要做法幣的儲備一樣要做虛幣的儲備但是虛幣如果我們沒有相關的存款保不像我們有存保公司它可能將來會產生所謂的市場的混亂甚至倒閉所以虛擬的儲備可能也是我們將來必須要走的路同樣的央行這邊 |
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可以協助或幫忙金管會要求這些未來的虛幣業者他們除了儲蓄實體的貨幣之外也必須儲備所謂的他們的虛幣而儲備虛幣就成為一個很重要 |
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維持市場秩序的重要的工作就像當年很多銀行倒閉 擠兌所以成立了存保公司總裁 你認為將來台灣有沒有必要有可能要成立虛幣的存保公司 |
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委員事實上我覺得委員的分析是沒有錯這是一定會來的只是什麼時候到我們要面對這個議題我們要面對這個議題所以我希望總裁從今天開始研議這個議題第二個虛幣要開始開放在台灣管理了他們業者已經要正式合法登記了接下去一定會發生有人倒閉了虛幣沒辦法付的時候我們怎麼辦如果 |
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美國政府已經做了所謂的貨幣儲存戰略儲備它一定有它的市場意義跟價值台灣面對開放的市場 |
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世界的競爭我們不可能自外於這個世界好嗎這也是可能總裁必須面對這些我們從來沒有碰過的問題是是沒有錯沒有錯而且呢我也想我希望你在一兩個月之內告訴我一下你們跟金管會有沒有針對這邊相關未來開放市場以後這些問題可能我們現在都要做好準備好好 |
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我們目前我們是來協助他把這個專法通過了以後一定會發生倒閉的狀況下沒有辦法兌現的時候那時候的消費者權益的保護現在就必須要開始準備加上川普已經把它列為世界上面重要的儲備貨幣我覺得我們不能 |
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小看這件事好不好因為它比一般的貨幣更好貨幣呢美金可以一直不斷的硬美鈔不斷的硬但是虛幣有它的穩定性因為它的總量是管制的好嗎第二個現在全世界國際清算銀行都要求各國希望大家都能夠用AI掌握經濟資訊請問這是央行現在正在做的事嗎 |
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人工智慧人工智慧事實上就人工智慧來講我們各個產業對AI的應用事實上如火如荼的在所以我們也算是跟上了我們也是中央銀行也是不會有任何的落後對人工智慧你大概也跑不掉了你沒有應用的話將來就是輸給人家沒有錯第三個部分時間暫停我們請財經公司 |
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最近LiPay已經要申請電子支付了嘛 |
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所以接下去我們財經公司有建制共同支付的TWQR是不是LiPay這麼大的支付系統也應該趕快加入跟委員報告我們希望他加入希望他加入因為他現在正在申請走程序還有一段時間但是財經公司可以先去完成這件事情我們希望LiPay成為你們的系統之一才不會變成你們有一個又獨立的在外面好嗎 |
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是的第二個你們現在推廣到日本跟韓國有沒有考慮去南向跟委員報告有的但是就是我們的推廣的方式就根據國人跟在出國的是啊新南向是我們政府的重要政策新加坡都已經跟泰國印度馬來西亞印尼都已經做好簽約我們目前只有日本跟韓國 |
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跟委員報告我們現在也正跟新加坡在磋商當中我們希望今年會有一個結果好 把你的工作跟時程告訴我們因為國人喜歡去東北亞但是也很喜歡去東南亞是的好嗎好 謝謝總裁好 謝謝洪委員的質詢下一位請林思敏委員質詢請 |
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好 謝謝主席 我們請楊總裁林委員早好 總裁早 總裁我想本席今天就將全國民眾最關心的幾項國內外的議題 包含川普上台政府如何因應還有烏俄戰爭仍然持續這樣的國際情勢我們台灣應該如何面對來向總裁就教 |
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根據央行在去年12月19號發布的經濟預測去年的經濟成長率上修到4.25%今年則預測大概是3.13%同時中研院經濟所也預測今年的成長率大概是3.1% |
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而關於貨幣的調整央行也已經連續三次維持基準率大概是在2%不變我想請問說我們今年下修的原因是什麼 |
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經濟成長率今年會下修的原因是什麼事實上我覺得我有看過那個因為我們現在我們在3月20號我們會有另外一個focus但是我覺得主計總署他下修的一個 |
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讓我知道的就是說他下修的一個很重要的一個因素是在於他的那個什麼存貨的調整存貨的調整對存貨調整也就是說他的民間的投資的這個部分呢不像他上一次所預期的那麼的高是因為存貨調整他本身呢本身是屬於民間投資的部分 |
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總裁我想這個當然是或許他下修的原因之一但是我告訴你依據這個主席總署他在2月26號他發布國內經濟預測表示是因為立法院 |
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三減預算會削弱成長的動能因此下修今年經濟成長率到3.14%跟他原先預測的數減少了大概0.15%所以我想請教總裁是說這個主計總署他說調降GDP的理由是因為立法院三減預算 |
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您同意嗎?你覺得這個因素要去考量下去,他這樣的講法成立嗎?是啦,你們不是也有一張表嗎?有一張表,對。 |
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對就是說我看他的那個表他的表裡面除了剛剛我所講的就是說他的存貨的調整以外民間的消費政府的支出的這個部分 |
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主財 主財我這樣好了啦 主財其實我比較關心的是說他講的其中一個因素就是因為我們立法院刪減了這次的一個預算所以也是造成說我們成長動能的削弱的原因 |
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根據我們的資料我所掌握的我想請教總裁的我的意思就是說他這樣的說法說經過刪減後會影響整個我們政府未來的投資以及消費而導致GDP的下降剛才你也提到本月20號將會央行要召開理事會 |
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所以央行會有新的2025年就今年的GDP的預測所以這個如果在20號的理事會到時候會不會將三讀後的政府總預算的金額的結果也列為我們預測的因素之一是 |
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我想剛剛我們如果看主席總署的這個表是沒有錯他也講到政府支出的這個部分他是下修了0.08那存後這邊民間的投資也有下修那公營的也有下修0.01那這個是主要還有政府的消費也下修了0.01 |
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這個是導致了他的那個這個我了解我可以一直說因為他一直強調說是因為立法院刪減總預算的一個結果那我們呢所以未來你們在20號的央行的理事會您認為會考量這個因素嗎因為我覺得這是非常他這個主計總書的說法是非常不正確的 |
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因為今年總預算通過的數額是歷史新高兩兆九千兩百四十八億比去年增加了一千三百六十八億創歷史的新高你竟然講說會影響政府的投資及消費而導致GDP的下降 |
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這個說法正確嗎?不過根據他的這個數據來看的話0.08加上0.01的0.09再加上0.01就將近是0.1啦他上一次是3.29嘛 |
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所以他把他下修到0.15%他本身的政府的這個部分他就下修0.1%是啦但是總裁我的重點不在這裡他一直講說是因為立法院刪減總預算造成他GDP要下修我說這樣的說法其實是不正確的我也希望說央行在20號的理事會你對於這個重新評估我們今年的GDP的下修我們會 |
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第一個我們會再重新評估我們的但是你要把這個因素你要列入嗎這個根本是不成立的嘛因為這個數據呢這個數據呢他雖然就是說是就說是在這裡沒關係啦這個我是表達我的意見是是是我想另外因為時間的關係我再請問你一下 |
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因為在昨天的復議案的質詢中卓院長表示說台電千億撥補如果落空台電將被迫調電價所以我想請問如果說台電因為錯誤的能源政策而在不給補助的情況之下來調漲電價 |
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那麼是否會造成萬物齊漲就通膨的一個壓力應該是不會就是說萬物齊漲也不會你是認為不會所以央行後續會有升息的壓力嗎因為就是說我們上一年我們的我們的預測是1.89 |
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如果說我們考量到電價的調整還有其他的工用事業的匯率的調整我們大概也會接近2% |
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所以就是因為台電調漲電價會造成我們整個CPI的年增率會增加所以大概就會上漲到大概就會破2%左右你預期就2%左右不會再繼續往上嗎 |
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應該如果說直接的直接的影響是這樣子那如果說他有說什麼通膨逸期的心理我再想這一次應該不會了我想我希望你的預測只是準的我們再看一下國外的情勢就是川普上任之後關於美國在新的經貿政策所帶來的影響 |
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川普的經貿政策被我們公認為影響我國經濟的成長的重要變數包含台積電我們剛剛一直提到也已經確定要去赴美投資一千億美元所以央行目前有沒有制定哪些具體的因應策略以降低因應國際形勢的外部不確定性對我國經濟與匯率的一個影響 |
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以及在全球經濟存在下行風險的情況之下未來是否有需要調整貨幣政策以確保我國經濟的穩定性還有台積電如果赴美的新投資是否會影響我國未來我們的GDP的成長對台灣經濟發展的前景會有何影響我想你現在不用用口頭回答我這幾個問題請你用書面來答覆我 |
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另外我們針對央行房市管制的措施央行決定連續三次維持基準利率在2%不變也會推出新的房市的管制措施到今年2月底央行已經進行專案經檢總共170次所以請問央行在進行7次的調整選擇信用管制的措施後 |
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現在暫時沒有新的管制措施這是否意味說央行已經認為國內的房價以及房市的交易已經達到央行可以接受的平穩狀況 |
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我們在報告裡面我們有談到就是說基本上呢我們第一個就是說疫情心理是有下來了第二個呢它的那個集中度是集中度就是說我們金融機構放款給這個不動產的這個集中度呢慢慢的再下來了37點多現在下降下來另外呢就是說給無自用自宅的資源呢慢慢再上升了 |
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這個有達到我們初步的一個效果但是我們現在目前我們有兩個方向第一個因為我們在去年八月的時候我們希望在他們在一年之內做這個資源的一個調整那這個我們每季每次都會我這樣問你最後的結論就是說未來因為現在你說已經達到平穩的效果 |
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對 所以未來有沒有可能會有第八次的新聞管制措施我們滾動式檢討 滾動式檢討好 以上好 謝謝林思敏委員的諮詢 下一位請李官成委員諮詢好 你先站著 所以說夠了嗎 可以 |
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謝謝主席那我們請楊總裁 |
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跟那個委員總裁今天被尋一個早上其實也辛苦了謝謝你那個總裁去年的這個3月的時候其實我們在這邊也質詢過總裁那我覺得這個時間好像有倒流到這個去年這個時光去年的3月的這個李建勢央行的李建勢會議記者會上 |
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然後這個總裁就說當時升息半碼主要是為了抑制就講去年4月電價上漲引發的國內通膨的預期的心理那當然這個升息半碼會讓市場覺得有點surprise但是這是合理的一個決定那我記得到時候大家在質詢的時候那外界有給總裁一個封號叫做Mr. |
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Surprise |
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那我覺得說這是去年三月的事情怎麼到了今年三月份我們在討論這個事情好像有這個既視感好像跟去年的這個時候也差不多第一個國內今年的一二月呢消費者物價指數CPI呢平均年增率超過百分之二的這個通貨警戒線第二個呢海鐵呢恐怕會調漲的部分的費用那加上呢 |
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這個台電的兩千億的預算被債項砍掉了所以電價也面臨了調漲的壓力所以後續物價有可能有上漲的一些壓力第三個就是說美國川普總統上任那會加徵關稅然後聯準會的貨幣政策有可能會造成CPI的指數無法回落到1.5%以下所以本席再請教總裁 |
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那這個外界在預期說下個禮拜的這個央行的禮監事會議之後是否會採取這個預防性的申請因為好像去年的這個情況跟現在的這個情況好像也差不多 |
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總裁你不覺得好像我去年講的這些東西跟今年的遇到的狀況好像有點類似我覺得委員掌握我們整個的邏輯跟說法還有整個經濟金融的情況掌握得非常好 |
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那我想第一個我們還是由委員我們的理事來決定當然了來決定那當然就是說委員在講就說那個去年的情況跟今年的情況好像是有一點類似對啊你那時候就是怕說會有預期性的這個通膨的心理嘛所以就升息的辦嘛所以去年這個情況跟今天情況好像差不多啊不過我想我們3月20號就會揭曉 |
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11314 |
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那我請教總裁現在這個情況跟去年的情況有沒有有點類似是有一點類似有點類似那這檔案好像呼之欲出不過也就是說我們要想就是說雖然就是說情況有一點類似不過第一個我們也會考慮到就是說我們的雖然就是說這個通膨會上修但是雖然是在2%左右那我們要不要很擔心這個是第一個 |
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第二個我們長期還是認為我們的通膨還是有下來的一個趨勢那我們是不是也要考量第二個我們也會考量到現在的不確定性不管是對通膨的不確定性或是對經濟的不確定性我們必須要更關心它 |
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那其實我聽總裁這樣講如果真的下禮拜開會有升息辦嘛我覺得大概也沒有這麼 surprise 是不是 |
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不過就是說因為在這邊因為是理事共同來討論的我在這邊好像也不便多說那剛才總裁有提到很多次提到這個不確定性我剛才在答覆其他的立委的時候也提到這個有關川普總統上台之後那其實去年的11月我也問過 |
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這個總裁那時候川普當選那我就問總裁我就說這個川普當選的心情會怎麼樣那總裁那時候的回答是說呢這個政策是不容易預測那就是有不確定性那所以呢這個市場金融市場如果有這個不確定性呢就是一個很大的問題那我看這個總裁今天報告也很多次出現這個不確定性那經過了這一個半年再來看那這個不確定性還是很高嗎事實上呢 |
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11420.406 |
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所以我們在這邊第六頁這邊有講到就是說那個時候呢都對川普的交易呢非常樂觀所以你看碰碰碰他美國的這些的數據包括股市啦美元啦還有那個公債的利率啊都是 |
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表達非常對美國非常的樂觀不過呢最近呢我想委員知道他現在的這個樂觀的情緒呢是慢慢在correction但是呢他的correction呢我個人解讀啊只是說是恢復到9月以前的 |
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所以沒有就是說是特別的壞也沒有就是說特別的壞所以現在市場有一股認為就是說美國好像現在要進入衰退期事實上這是一個對於樂觀的預期現在是一個correction也就是現在是cool down的時候 |
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先是一個擴盪那擴盪呢擴盪其實跟去年九月其實預期是差不多啦當初的預期會比較高所以這個就是說人類的心理投資人的一個心理就是這樣市場的心理就是這樣子 |
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11506.096 |
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那我請教一下台積電的問題我剛剛很多委員都提到那其實台積電加碼投資美國一千億美元那台積電的董事長魏哲嘉其實還有提到他說先進的研發中心都是在台灣不論是兩奈米1.6奈米1.4奈米甚至一奈米都是在台灣是真正的研發中心那台積電在美國的研發中心規模大概是一千人那他主要是做什麼呢 |
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生產線的製程優化跟我們剛才提到的那個所謂的這個真正研發中心是不一樣的那美國台商的會長韓如柏呢他這兩天呢有一個演講川普關稅台灣基金片那他有提到說呢川普呢總統一直在強調半導體產業對美國未來的重要性那中國大陸呢也知道這個弱點而且試圖利用它最近就指控呢這個 |
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11558.829 |
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中國指控台灣把台積電當作伴手禮送給他人煽動本來就已經緊張的國內情勢這不是只有共產黨在講我看很多在野黨在講台積電會變成美積電那我再請教一下因為也有一些學者提到說這個台積電加碼投資一千億會造成衝擊到台灣的會市那請教一下會有這個衝擊嗎 |
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11561.233 |
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11570.14 |
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所以我剛剛事實上我們外匯局也有去請教過台積電他的財務處基本上就我所了解的 |
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對匯市因為他就是說要多增加一千億的投資一千億的投資剛剛我同仁也在講就是說事實上也不是一次到位對因為他是四年也就是說一年是兩百五十億一年如果說就用這樣評論但是台積電很會賺錢而且他賺的都是外幣都是美元所以我剛剛我同仁也有去請教他們他們一年的營收是將近一千億美元 |
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所以說你看看它的營收那麼的龐大所以對外市場我覺得應該是我認為是不會有影響我想央行總裁講話這個份量就夠因為外界有一些人說將台積電去投資會衝擊到台灣的會市 |
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會是如果說以我們現在所掌握的數據還有包括他們告訴我們的基本上也就是說像他1000例而且你看他的1000例事實上他也可以在美國他也可以在美國籌資對 |
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它也可以在那邊籌資還有包括它本身的營收又那麼龐大所以我總覺得對我們的外市場的一個衝突不過我也會跟委員報告啦事實上呢我們每天對於我們的廠商的一個會市這個結構結束我們都會密切的注意它 |
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11690.94 |
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有啦 我也看到你們報告遊戲我們每天每天都是注意這個去年的主會主要是這個賣匯主要是這個主匯啦就是這個主貶啦怕這個新台幣貶太多啦效果也還不錯啦相對其他的這個亞洲國家來講剩下一點時間我請教總裁就是說這個賴總統提到說這個五百元的紙鈔有可能會做改版 |
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| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
那甚至會做這一個紀念幣那我問一下這個目前有在做這個籌備的工作嗎我們對於就是說這個對於這個就是說我們的這個就是說我們的這一次那我先講那個紙擦好了對我們不是我們有在規劃就是說用紀念幣或紀念鈔的一個方式紀念幣特別是紀念幣這個部分我們要用這樣來 |
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11738.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
紀念碑大概時程是到哪時候?我們現在就還正在規劃紫超改版有想過嗎?紀念超現在是沒有所以目前就朝著紀念碑的方式你們要掌握一下時程 |
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這個十二強是去年11月的事情那你們至少今年要把它做出來啊不然明年又變經典賽了啊我們盡量啦 有沒有辦法今年做出來這十二強的經典賽我們也是希望啦你們也是希望 朝著目標來做好不好對對對好 謝謝李委員的質詢下一位請王世堅委員質詢 |
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我們現在開始可以發便當各位在這裡使用的話可以謝謝主席我請楊總裁來 總裁請 |
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| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
我們所有部會當中我們中央銀行 |
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跟金管會是在穩定我們國內財經最重要的兩大重症而且央行跟金管會到現在為止這個表現確實可圈可點那麼我去年的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
上個會期12月份的質詢我針對金管會我有提到說這個要趕快去查查就是是不是融資租賃公司他們會成為 |
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11843.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
11862.891 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
我們對於不動產放款就是變成打房的一個破口那我這個質詢之後這個質詢之後當然這個經國二他們有趕快發函他們就有發函要求各銀行針對 |
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這個融資的資金用途那必須詢問去防止杜絕這個破口他們是在12月13號發的函那我比較感到有興趣的是12月19號我們央行的理監事會議裡面結果也有理事他也提出這樣的疑慮 |
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那也就是說在金管會已經有行文跟銀行要求也查查之後那我們 |
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理政事會裡面理事也有提出這個疑問那我認為說是不是我們的看法不但一致而且你們有發現什麼樣的新的問題新的破口是我們央行跟金管會必須特別再去查查再去強調的你的看法呢 |
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是有那個報告委員就是說我們的我們理事就是說在我們上一次的禮監事會也有提到也有提到就是說這個破口那不過呢上一次那個他講到的這個破口呢主要的他是在講基層金融 |
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就我那個榮譽會信用部還有信用合作社這個部分他講的那個破口是在這個部分他講的破口是在這個部分而且事實上在講這個破口之後我們有去了解 |
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而且我們也有專案經檢,我們也有對這個部分,而且我們也有發函給農業金庫,因為是農業金庫,是那個農委會之下的農業金庫,對,農委的信用部,對對對, |
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因為農會金庫他對這個農會信用部還有就是農會特別是農會信用部他們有那個檢查不是檢查權他們有監管的責任所以就這個部分我們有去更進一步的了解 |
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因為我們這一個底線我們要求銀行金融機構要求貸款不動產不能超過存款總額百分之三十這個底線是絕對要簽收的所以這最可能的大金額的做口 |
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那是這些融資註定公司因為他們這金額太龐大了動輒都百億以上那這個農業信用部雖然金額不大但是也會是因為他的加速多啦那這個部分就請你要繼續繼續監督他們那第二個我憂慮的就是說我們消費物價指數CPI啦CPI當然我們在2月份1.58是已經 |
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這個創下這四年來新低但是不可否認的我們一二月還是一樣比去年同期還是漲這裡面 |
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去年今年的數字不管漲跌都已經達到通膨的警戒線尤其食物的方面食物的這個部分竟然高達3.98這麼高高達3.98那3.98幾乎啊我們全民尤其是上班族外食族的朋友們那真的是 |
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苦不堪言啦苦不堪言所以我一直搞不懂的就是說為什麼啦為什麼我們對於這個通膨尤其是食物為什麼對 |
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食物通膨沒辦法抑制那個總裁您看法呢我跟委員報告就是說外食還有房租外食跟房租是屬於服務類 |
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是屬於服務類我們有商品類跟服務類像說蔬菜水果那個是商品類外食跟房租這個是服務類服務類不管就是在台灣或是在外國都有同樣的一個特性它要調降下來都會有sticky |
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就是僵固性所以就是說他上去了以後呢要回來的時候呢他會慢慢的不會像商品類一樣的商品類你看看像商品類我們商品類下跌的速度就比較快但是呢服務類的這個部分呢他就比較sticky他的特性就是比較僵固這個規律在服務類當然這個就會確實比較不容易但是但是 |
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我們雖然是比日韓低是優於日韓但是我們比歐美是高那如果純粹以服務類這個項目來看的話那歐美的薪資是遠高於我們結果他們的在這一部分的CPI15的CPI是遠低於我們 |
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他們大概2%而已我跟委員報告事實上如果說就歐美來講的話我們跟OECD來比較事實上他們的服務類也是一樣的是上去了以後它下來也是比較你現在講的是說是食物類但是如果說我們從total這個服務類來看的話事實上它還是比我們高 |
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他整體的服務類還是比我們高他的服務類呢現在大概是4.4左右但是食物的部分他大概是他食物類的話 因為他上漲了以後他下來的速度呢是比較快一點比我們台灣快一點所以這個總裁當然您是專家啦我的看法我的看法就是說是不是 |
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我們中央銀行應該靈活應用這個利率來控制通通啦我的看法就是說因為我們洋行最重要的任務之一就是穩定國內物價嘛對不對那在這一個部分利率的運用上 |
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觀察的結果美國他們是很靈活應用的美國他們在這個利率的調整他們是很激動很激動的那我們呢我們台灣長期以來我們國家的低利率已經造成一些 |
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不可測的危害已經發生很清楚的這個我們長期的低利率導致房地產價格不斷上漲那我們長期的低利率也讓我們台灣的民眾放棄 |
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除序放棄除序那麼而且還傾向於因為這麼低的利率所以傾向於借貸那這個都是很頭痛的問題而且這長期以往會助長這個金融投機啦金融泡沫所以這一個部分是我們不得不要來做機動的調整尤其尤其我們長期的這個低利率 |
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低利率已經也導致我們台灣受險業者他們把我們高達35兆他們從保險戶收到的資金那這些金額70% 25兆因為我們國家的低利率所以他們又有理由有藉口他們到海外去購買海外國外的債券基金那這些 |
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因為有戰爭匯率的風險賺人家利息人家把你本金吃了戰爭的風險你像買俄國的部分現在要收回遙遙無期那這一些風險都已經發生不打緊也導致我們國內 |
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自己國家的資金來自我們民眾的錢竟然沒辦法用在我們國家自己的建設所以我認為是不是應該在下一次的禮監事會議還有下下次未來的這些禮監事會議要靈活激動的調整利率你看美國他們這麼激動之下你看他們 |
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在通膨的部分他們守的至少守的還比我們好所以這一個部分是我給周恩揚的一些建議好不好能不能這個部分就做到而且我也做了一個臨時提案希望在這一個部分你們一個月內做一個基本的一個你們的對利率調整有一些綜合因素的看法好不好 |
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謝謝主席 我們請梁總裁 |
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我們看到相關的媒體報導有說新增的房貸一季狂減1.5萬戶第四季比第三季減了大概1.5萬件 |
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那個我看房市的這個329這個329檔期那個推案但是新案衰減然後市場疲軟然後請問您這個第七波信用管制之後你覺得現在你的看法現在房市有反轉走低嗎我跟委員報告就是說我們當時第七波的主要的目的有三個9月19號 |
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對我們9月19號我們有目的有三個第一個就是說那時候的預期的心理是非常強的就是上漲的預期心理不過現在我想委員應該要同意他已經有下來的趨勢預期心理有下降房地產一定會漲的這個預期心理下降一定會漲的那個預期心理是已經扭轉回來了這是第一個第二個我們是希望這個資源就是說不動我們的信用資源不要太 |
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要讓他能夠比較帶給我們的那個無自用自宅的消費者那這一點呢也有慢慢的上升這是第二個第三個呢也就是說他的集中度呢他的集中度就是說我們的銀行的那個放款的集中度在不動產這慢慢的下來了所以也有達到也有達到這個目的但是那個總裁 |
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銀行放款的集中度 其實就是那一條就是說你們說存放比多少這一個但是你們有沒有同時注意到這個各個地區的這種差異在你們的這個觀察裡頭有同時注意到嗎各個地區是不是我舉例 我舉一個具體的例子給您我去年的時候我在財委擔任召委的時候我請了我們相關單位到金門去開了一次會議他請當地的金融機構 |
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都過來開會我們發現我們金門的銀行比如土銀好了您猜看看他的存放比是多少您知道嗎您猜看看他的存放比如果說就我當地的土銀的金門分行金門當地的因為我沒有就是說很特地對了不過一般來講比較就像離島的話我再猜不過也許就不對了沒關係他的存款應該是比換款還多 |
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那存穩應該大概在比較合理的區間應該在哪裡一般來講的話合理是要72%合理是72%對不對他合理都70幾%我不曉得那個你知道金門的土銀或是台銀他是多少我是不曉得15%15%台銀也是差不多16%那就很低對就是非常的低那也就是說 |
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那也就是說金門的民眾大部分都是存款因為金門民眾不需要貸款嗎因為金門沒有企業當然不是這個原因當然不是說因為我們也是有相關產業而是說金門的很多存款存款不少但是很多的貸款金融機構他的這種 |
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執行率也好或者他的放款意願也不想所以基本很多的存款就被的資金就被同樣是土地銀行或是台灣銀行好了這個錢就被移到讓台灣來使用我的意思因為事實上現在發生的情形就是這樣子所以當你們在說什麼存放筆啊在說這個東西信用管制的時候其實我覺得央行也要注意也要稍微注意一下各個區域怕說很多 |
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比較像我們來講我們偏遠地區的錢存在以後全部都集中到了比較都會區可能台我不知道可能台北因為我沒有研究台北可能台北來高雄這種比較都會區去使用所以造成這個如果以房地產來講的話有時候會造成這樣的錢會集中的不是只有說欸您說是30%多少%這樣的70%的這個差別而是有時候資金的移動 |
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會影響這個地區 這個可能也是所以請央行證也許也可以去了解一下這個第一點嘛 這個說影響這個相對就某些地方就會變成草房就會比較嚴重某些地方經濟發展比如說不一定是房地產說經濟發展企業想要融資變得很辛苦有時候這個也是有影響所以我們除了注意說它的一個比例以外也要注意區域的有沒有均衡的發展其實這個也是很重要對啦 沒有錯啦 |
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這個是第一點然後第二點關於房地產有關就是說之前就是訂所謂的豪宅那當然這個財政部在金管那邊管那個豪宅的總價不過我覺得後來事實上這個建商有他的做法他們就把坪數弄很小單價弄很高所以我看最近有一個新的政策就是讓單價一定的 |
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每個地區嘛一定的金額以上也要比較比較可以比較不能太超過不然也是不能帶這個也是算是一個很好的政策啦這個才能真正讓房價走向一個比較平衡的這個發展不然 |
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這樣子對你這樣的做法你們之前有的做法對百姓並沒有幫助啊因為反而是建商賺更多因為他把單價他把坪數弄很小20坪變10坪但單價做很多做高了做高後反而讓房價又漲起來然後事實上建商獲利也沒有變少 |
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您了解我在說什麼?我知道您看這個不動產的放款我看到您有相關的報導有找銀行來喝咖啡有三家銀行然後對於說這些按計管控提交具體改善方案這些都有提到那我也請您關注一下各個區域也許銀行也要請他們提供一下他各個區域是不是有太過不均衡的發展那熱錢集中在一個地方那個地方容易炒作 |
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這個也請列入這個考量那還會有第八波嗎?因為我們是九月十九嘛那時候我們問的時候九月十九到十二月有一段期但現在已經又要三月了嘛等於是半年了啦 將近半年了那你看你下去的發展呢? |
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我想我們是滾動性檢討啦滾動性檢討 所以也有可能有 也有可能沒有啦這個是由理事來決定啦有理事決定喔 對但是我還講說那個 我像有相關政策像平數的單家那個倒是也是一個 還有各區的喔可以看一下這民間的相關這個反應啦好 那這個 |
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第一季你們央行理事與監事會議預期去年的時候 去年也是這個時候你們預期台電4月調漲電價那有做出 祭出這個預防性的升級半馬營業那今年現在3月你們3月20號開會了吧 |
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現在聽起來台電又有可能聽起來又好像可能調漲這個電價那你們今年會一樣採取這樣的這個預防性申請剛我有聽別人有問過這個也是由理事來解釋我知道我知道你會這樣回答但是去年今年因為你們在業務報告也有跟我們提到要考量未來台鐵票價水電公用事務費率調漲那相關的預測值會上漲所以 |
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你的標準答案就是說你要看你以前是否但看起來的話如果比照去年的做法可能會傾向這個方面 |
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還是有理解 沒關係我想請問你關於虛擬貨幣的事情美國總統川普簽行政命令要正式成立戰略比特幣儲備確保美國在全球加密貨幣市場的領導地位但是我們央行說的是虛擬貨幣不宜列為準備資產 |
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因為央行是說比特幣價格波動劇烈容易受金融市場資金鏈消息鏈影響沒有辦法具備貨幣應有的交易媒介計價單位及價值儲藏三大功能比較像是一種投機或是投資性質的商品這是我們央行說的但是美國川普總統卻對這個大力提倡那就是說 |
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你這樣還是認為還是這樣認為嗎就是說比特幣這類的虛擬資產你的看法跟我們川普總統的看法不大不大一致啊是啦我想這個我們會密切注意他啦不過以目前我們的態度呢我們還是覺得就是說在台灣要把它就是說把它變成一個我們的準備變成一個外匯存底的一部分當然啦 |
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外存底的一部分跟它是戰略儲備因為我們政府的戰略儲備我不曉得是有哪些啦但是我們外存底的這個部分呢到在目前呢我們是沒有考慮就是說還是沒有考慮虛擬貨幣啦還是沒有考慮虛擬貨幣啦 |
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既然就是說美國都是要把他列入這個我們會正視他我們會密切注意他也是會密切注意我們會密切注意他那您看看川普總統還頒了一個行政命令他說禁止創建數位美元像那個央行數位貨幣CPTC嘛那 |
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他說這個CBDC是威脅金融體系穩定個人影響美國主權禁止在美國建立但是我們不是有在推嗎我們央行有在推嗎有在推CBDC那這個跟美國全球領導國家的做法也不一樣那這樣會不會延緩我們推這個的腳步我覺得就是說 |
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基本上呢我們看看其他的國家呢也沒有就是說是因為川普總統他的這個政策因為基本上其他的國家他還是往前推的啦那基本上中央銀行呢也會還是我們還是按照既定的一個行程往前推啦往前推進就對了是是是我們還是好謝謝你是謝謝 |
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好 謝謝陳立正委員的諮詢下一位請王洪恩委員諮詢 請 |
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好 謝謝主席我請楊總裁楊總裁請還有我們財經資訊公司財經資訊的林鄧市長請王委員早好 總裁好 |
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董事長好,總裁,我們財經資訊公司的董事長是我們央行代表,是吧?是應該是,不是應該算,好來,那我請問一下我們林董事長 |
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董事長請問一下,我知道您是財經公司基層做起那請問在財經公司裡面有沒有您的兩位侄子跟一位侄女也在財經公司任職跟委員報告有的,但是他不是我核定的 |
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都在所以有三位兩個侄子一位侄女都在財經公司任職那是怎麼樣是兩位兩位兩位都是侄子嗎客戶服務組有一位侄女組長是是嗎是那另外一位是零我用我這個字問問誰啊零差安還是零差智 |
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林差安林差志勇沒有曾經也在公司任職沒有所以這位就是排名第三的從來沒有在我們財經公司任職沒有 |
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那這兩位因為我接獲我們財經公司的員工的算是爆料吧因為他認為就是我們公司董事長有安插自己的三親等到公司來任職那還有請問您的侄女進入公司半年就升組長是不是事實 |
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跟委員報告我要查一下他有升組長是事實那他到公司多久升任跟委員報告這個權限是總經理的權限所以我沒有特別注意他是什麼時候升職那他本來要招進來據我的了解他本來就是儲備要當主管 |
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所以确实他进来之后不晓得他是多久的时间另外再请教一下您的侄女升任组长前组长是不是有被惩戒 |
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他的前一位的組長是不是有被懲戒跟委員報告就我的了解當時這個組長其實在之前就有一些問題產生了所以才會在外面再招募一個儲備的主管所以他是有被懲戒的他被懲戒然後招募剛剛好就是您的侄女也進來了好那麼因為這個的整個的爆料 |
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就直接我想总裁也听一下过去曾经在我们国内的金融公营行库里面也出现过这个董事长后来呢就是把他们家的他的家人或者是合伙的合伙股东的小孩一个一个的进入公司以我们财经公司来说那么 |
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我覺得這是很集中啦董事長是基層出身我覺得你升任董事長沒有什麼問題但是呢陸陸續續陸陸續續正好都是你的侄子侄女也進入同一家公司我個人覺得這個有利益衝突跟利益迴避的問題 |
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並不適當並不適當而且現在已經有員工來做檢舉我想請問一下總裁來 請教總裁中央銀行是不是有曾經接獲過檢舉 |
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快點 我的時間一直在走喔有接貨檢舉那總裁有去了解嗎我們的業務單位有請他們的集合他們的總集合針對人家的檢舉做報告 |
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做報告 所以總裁有看過報告嗎我有所以你認為這一切都合理 合法 合情嗎如果說 如果說 據我們看那個的那個我們它的總集合的這個報告裡面我個人是覺得是應該是還可以 |
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只有說在這個就像那個委員在講的就是說這個是觀感的一個問題當然有觀感問題啊我覺得任何一下如果說一般民間公司所以我們家人都進公司也就算了但是我們這個是國營事業 |
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過去我們國營的就是包含我們的一些我們的銀行也發生這樣的狀況啊是這終究是要避免的啊是 是 是是不是這是觀感的問題啦是啦 沒有錯啦所以所以我覺得秦總裁還是要處理一下好不好因為不然的話我們今天會繼續接獲這些檢舉函啊而且他認為說他檢舉了之後他們反而反而被秋後算帳 |
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所以他在裡面是他們檢舉之後被秋後算賬有一些懲處所以請總裁還有董事長能夠回去重新檢視好不好我也不希望再看到這樣的一些爆料了 |
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王委員的質詢 下一位請邱志偉委員質詢 |
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好,謝謝,我請央行的楊總裁 |
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這個總裁辛苦了那兩個問題請教一下總裁第一就是美國關稅美國關稅當然這個隨時都會變動它的關稅的政策不是那麼穩定那隨著總統他有每天可能有新的想法所以關稅政策當然不管怎麼樣對台灣的出口競爭力跟匯率一定會造成影響那你看南韓南韓就面臨到這個美國的關稅壓力所以都要造成它韓元的低迷 |
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還有一點點扁在亞洲的貨幣裡面它是相對比較弱勢那你高度依賴出口而且也沒有內需關稅又沒有辦法衝擊又沒有辦法降低那部分整體的這個因為關稅造成的整體國家的GDP就會下降投資就會受到影響 |
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從南韓經驗來看如果美國加徵關稅當然我們沒有辦法避免對我們出口跟整體經濟的影響那您覺得最壞的狀況台灣出口競爭力或者台灣的GDP會減少多少到目前為止我們還是在評估當中因為不確定性嘛不過呢初步的估計我們到目前初步的估計我們是覺得 |
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如果說按照我們這個報告也有談到啊就是說如果說他對額外的那四個那個對醫藥品、半導體特別是對我們的半導體因為我們半導體還有鋼鐵、鋁銅、汽車及零組件這個對我們的影響目前我們初步的評估是不會很大 |
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那看樣子台積電去美國投資那麼高額然後這個史上最大的一個投資額會不會因此就降低美國這個川普政府對台灣的晶片加收關稅的這個可能性 |
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這個看起來好像後來他就改口了他好像川普好像也蠻滿意的樣子就是說他也佩服說台灣在這個領域方面的強項 |
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所以川普有些時候我們就都沒有說真正的搞不過我是覺得他也應該算是對於我們的半導體的產業他也是蠻佩服的 |
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半導體有沒有加徵關稅那它整體而言它的關稅一定會比過去的這個前任政府更多嘛品項也更多所以再用我們以出國導向的這個經濟體來看那當然它的關稅政策一定會對台灣造成影響那台灣出國競爭力下降那當然我們的這個貨幣就會受到衝擊 |
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會不會持續貶值如果持續貶值的話我跟委員報告就是說川普的我們說川普1.0川普1.0基本上呢事實上呢川普1.0他美中貿易衝突我們台灣是受力的 |
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但是呢受益的是受益的是受益的但是呢川普2.0呢他的情況他就要賭那個缺口那缺口呢他就普遍性的那如果說是普遍性的話呢那事實上呢我個人啦當然啦我這個我們還是要study啦如果說普遍性的時候對每一個國家都是這樣子的時候呢那基本上呢 |
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每個國家都是這樣子那也不是說只有針對我們台灣那如果說就半導體所以我們在十三頁這邊有講到半導體的這個部分因為我們直接出口到美國的那個直接出口到他那邊去的好像不多佔我們的GDP佔我們的出口的那個也就是說我們的曝險不高 |
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相對其他國家對,不高所以目前他所公布的相關的關稅政策不過我們也不能說他就是這樣子所以這個議題應該要密切的注意我是擔心關稅一旦 |
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開徵會影響到我們出口競爭力出口競爭力是我的經濟的命脈我就是說出口的競爭力因為它是整個是全部它都關稅嘛它是普遍性的嘛是 謝謝那第二個問題想討論這個匯率啊那台積電到美國投資金額那麼大那資本當然一定外流那相關的這個產業鏈也都會過去啊這種情況這個央行有沒有穩定匯率的政策我事實上呢 |
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台積電到那邊去投資一千億要增加一千億增加一千億事實上我們的外局就有去跟他們的財務處討論這個問題事實上他們說他們營收今年他們估計都有差不多一千億一千億美元不是台幣 |
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然後你看看他1000億要投資那邊的話他是分四年這是第一個分四年一年是250億第二個他也可以在那邊籌資所以就他來講的話事實上也不會說是因為他要到我那邊投資所以他必須要在這邊買會然後再出去影響到我們的YC我再用30秒我的問題是說你產業鏈過去當然在那邊生產當然也會有 |
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會有獲利那獲利會不會怎麼樣有政策的引導可以在這個回流台灣那當然就是說第一個他獲利然後呢就會回台灣這個也有可能啦這個也有可能啦但是有沒有政策上的引導或者誘因讓整體獲利不會在這邊繼續在投資你把獲利的這個這個他們的投資策略我不曉得說實在我不曉得我也只是能夠從報紙上看到就是說 |
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他要增加一千億的投資這個我們只能夠這樣知道而已那至於就是說這些細節的我相信這個樣行的決策也能夠兼顧台灣出口競爭力把這個關稅的衝擊降到最低我對您是深具信心 |
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楊炯英 鄭振全林柱英 蔡玉宇陳冠廷 蘇清泉 |
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葉元芝 葉元芝 葉元芝委員不在何欣淳 何欣淳 何欣淳 何欣淳委員不在徐欣怡 徐欣怡 徐欣怡委員不在那麼報告委員會今天的電器發言委員已經全部詢問完畢現在因為有一個臨時提案啦這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
14002.712 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
14027.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
這個我先請教王委員 田委員啊可不可以因為你剛剛質詢的時候已經有講了質詢的時候楊總裁也答應了口頭上已經答應在這裡面所有的會議紀錄都是公開的而且是有效的所以他已經承諾你要給你是不是這個案子因為人不夠我們就是楊總裁口頭上答應這樣可以嗎就 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
14037.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
14063.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
那就謝謝主席就依照您說的就是王委員的提案那個楊總裁剛才我聽你是講沒有問題你基本上答應就是要一個月以內提出有關於升降系對於物價房價及房租制交付影響並說明歷以來升降系決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
14065.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
14086.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
前開因素評估一個月內做相關的書面報告可以了齁好 談口頭答應的好不好那謝謝總裁 要麻煩你們麻煩你齁這個 剛才的這一個提案還是列進去然後我們的會議紀錄就是寫總裁口頭答應 就這樣子好不好 好 好謝謝 謝謝主席 謝謝那麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
14093.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
14118.142 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
跟各位報告本次會議做如下之決定第一個報告及審討完畢第二委員質詢為其答覆後請補充資訊請周英龍在一週內以書面答覆委員另要求期限者從其所定第三委員陳冠廷所提的書面資料及 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
14127.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
14140.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
原王世堅所提的書面補充資料補充提案也列列錄記錄刊登公報並請周英文一書面答覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
14142.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
14157.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
本市會議紀錄已進行會議一程已進行完畢堂友不在場委員補題書面諮詢一併列入紀錄刊登公報並請議事人員協助處理本期宣布散會 謝謝 |