| IVOD_ID |
165088 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165088 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-05T11:42:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-05T11:49:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:04 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0bb7d6ea348ff1d22f99ebfc3d83da586e3cb72f09a57cc5ac005464e7b8fa9747990b0cb07845b95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:42:11 - 11:49:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查：
（一）本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「公司法第二百三十五條之一條文修正草案」案。
（二）本院委員許宇甄等17人擬具「公司法第三百八十七條條文修正草案」案。
（三）本院委員吳秉叡等21人擬具「公司法第二百二十二條條文修正草案」案。
（四）本院委員鄭正鈐等16人擬具「公司法第一百六十條條文修正草案」案。
（五）本院委員楊瓊瓔等17人擬具「公司法第三百八十七條條文修正草案」案。
（六）本院委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「公司法第三百八十七條條文修正草案」案。
（七）本院委員黃建賓等17人擬具「公司法第二百三十五條之一條文修正草案」案。
（八）本院委員林岱樺等16人擬具「公司法第三百八十七條條文修正草案」案。
（九）本院委員張嘉郡等18人擬具「公司法第三百八十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十）本院委員何欣純等16人擬具「公司法第三百八十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十一）本院委員郭國文等16人擬具「公司法第一百六十五條條文修正草案」案。
（十二）本院委員牛煦庭等17人擬具「公司法第三百八十七條之一及第四百四十九條條文修正草案」案。
二、審查：
（一） 本院委員牛煦庭等16人擬具「商業登記法第九條之一及第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
三、審查：
（一）本院委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（二）本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「能源管理法第七條條文修正草案」案。
（三）本院委員蔡其昌等19人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（四）本院委員鍾佳濱等20人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（五）本院委員邱議瑩等17人擬具「能源管理法增訂第十九條之二及第二十七條之一條文草案」案。
以上全案於11月5日(星期三)進行合併詢答，11月6日(星期四)處理。【11月5日及6日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 麻煩有請經濟部部長 台電總經理好 我們請兩位 謝謝王總經理黃委員好兩位好 直接的關係 直接切入正題之前我一直在追蹤一些相關的弊案2020年的時候 |
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我揭露我們那個時候可能是內機內控出現嚴重問題的大同公司搞了一堆狗皮倒灶的事情有貪污的有行賄的有圍標的有詐素得標的搞了半天那個是2020年那個時候就公開揭露了 |
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拖了很久啦2024年台北地方法院做判決判決到現在還沒確定啦判決到現在還沒確定不過判決出來的結果大概貪污洗錢妨礙投票等等都已經一審被判有罪那也一直拖拖到2025年5月24號因為公共工程委員會 |
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可能有一些程序他要進行判決還沒有確定但公共工程委員會該做的事情他也是做了就宣布他從今年5月24號接下來要停權三年那個時候大同公司遭工程會停權三年了以後他的電力事業群還特別發了重訊開了記者會所以接下來可能沒有辦法再參與政府表案 |
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那我們持續在追蹤發現大龍公司其實遭停權影響好像也不是很大他還是持續取得政府標案其中有兩件是台電的那因為依照政府採購法的規定有特殊需求的時候經過上級機關核准那就雖然是停權了那還是繼續讓他用那第一個問題是請教一下經濟部經濟部核准的特殊需要是什麼 |
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因為這是上級機關許可所以這個不是台電的問題這是經濟部的問題你要了解一下是不是沒有關係因為時間的關係我不要占人家的時間部長跟總經理都看到了把你們怎麼上簽的怎麼准的公文 |
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能夠回覆給我一個禮拜之內可以嗎應該可以吧這個沒有問題啦原則上是這可以嗎這件的話我大概所知道的是如果因為最近的那個電機類的設備啊在全球大家都在搶啊所以設備的那個採購啊都有延宕所以呢所以停權也沒有關係劣跡斑斑的廠商也沒有關係 |
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其實這一件我確實情形我不知道但是如果是沒有關係所以我給你時間回去瞭解第二個第二個這個是有經過經濟部點頭的這個經濟部要說明你為什麼開了這個後門讓一個被停權三年的公司不用被停權這個我很狐疑第二件就更離譜了第二件事連報上級機關都沒有遵循 |
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報上級機關沒有准許來看一下這個是採購機關是台電南部發電廠得標的廠商是大同股份有限公司高雄分公司那我看了以後我就覺得很無意大同公司都被停權了經濟部也沒有核准為什麼他還可以得標總經理知道嗎這個是上個月大概前兩個禮拜發生的事10月23號的標案這一個標案 |
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呃 這個標案 我所了解是這樣子啦它有些標案是延續性的齁 就是等於是連續好幾年那是 101條款 101條款只是針對新的標案不能繳費 這個如果是說已經是 又是新的我可能是 了解一下好 你們一樣回去了解一下 這個要給大家一個答案啦齁 不要讓大家誤會說好像 明明被停權了 |
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是關係特別好還幫他開後門甚至上級機關都沒有准許上級機關沒有准許這個我查過了跟下面這個標案不太一樣就連經濟部都不知道 |
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總公司遭到庭權分供是當然不能取得標外這法律上面相一定的解釋啦你們回去查清楚了以後用公文回覆給我這兩個是什麼狀況好不好第二個問題排言率呢我追了非常的久啦那當然這也不是我也不曉得該怎麼講這到底是誰的鍋 |
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之前經濟部部長王美花一樣在備詢台上面做了很多保證 做了很多改革但是全體國人看到的是這家公司拿納稅的錢在虧然後錢全部進了民進黨權貴的口袋 |
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那相關的司法訴訟 刑事責任的追究 那要追究陳啟玉他自己到底要怎麼面對那這個是他自己刑事責任的問題 那我關心的是從納稅人的角度 台研綠能一開始為了協助國家發展綠能 話講得很好聽當地居民大家都支持結果搞了半天以後發現不僅僅是破壞環境 破壞生態 還在胡搞瞎搞 |
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虧一虧納稅人的然後錢放到綠色權貴的口袋那下一個問題是這個事情現在要怎麼收尾因為我看財報我看財報到今年Q2的財報出來他的股東權益是負值股東權益是負值是什麼意思我相信部長應該很清楚部長看懂財報絕對沒有問題那股東權益是負值那這家公司要不要依公司法宣告破產請教部長 |
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我可能要了解一下 我們國營是有人在嗎 還是怎麼樣來 認定一下公司法第211條公司虧損達時收支本二分之一 董事會應該最後一次股東會報告 這沒問題但是公司的資產不足抵償所付的債務的時候 董事會應急宣告破產 |
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那如果代表公司的董事違反前兩項的規定的話這個還有處罰的規定所以現在台研綠能現在的計畫是什麼錢要繼續丟下去要辦增資嗎報委我想我們也一併好不好因為本來就要提供剛剛那個兩個案子這個案子到底要怎麼走因為大家很關心嘛因為第一個我們是法治國家嘛特別這個是范工股的公司現在搞到 |
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已經資產沒有辦法處理負債了那有沒有要依法宣告破產還是說沒有要依法宣告破產 打算要繼續投錢下去這個事情我相信台灣社會大眾很關心啦 國會也應該監督這個部分到底要怎麼走 移民署沒有回覆可以嗎好 謝謝 |