| IVOD_ID |
165084 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165084 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-05T11:36:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-05T11:47:31+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0bb7d6ea348ff1d2015f4e74a59b6721575289a78f60fae5372a46263f60850474277e4527d10aae5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:36:34 - 11:47:31 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：邀請外交部部長、國家安全局局長、經濟部次長、大陸委員會副主任委員、行政院經貿談判辦公室副總談判代表報告「川普亞洲行及『川習會』後印太區域經濟、安全情勢對我之影響」，並備質詢。） |
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好 主席謝謝 麻煩請林佳龍部長請林部長 |
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部長好 外交是一體的外交是讓我們中華民國可以被世界看到所以不分黨派我們要共同支持外交但是面對到真正的問題我們也必須要看到問題面對問題才能解決問題不是一句說認知作戰可以帶過我覺得這是本席剛剛在幾個委員跟你質詢的時候你回答的會讓本席覺得是說那我們到底有沒有掌握確實的問題 |
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CNN的這一個報導現在我也看到了我們之後有陳青陳青講是說其實不是真相翻轉還有好多的媒體也都寫說其實那一天很多的來賓有來你也有跟他們有碰面等等相關部分是不是是嗎對好那為什麼會出現這一篇新聞 |
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我跟委員講CNN他沒有去查證嘛因為主辦單位都有貼文啊CNN沒有查證沒有查證那篇報導有幾位記者寫那篇報導有幾位記者寫你知道嗎幾位我是不知道他問過幾位或者是他們幾位那篇報導據名就有幾位記者他是幾個記者一起寫的報導他怎麼去編輯上去怎麼去變成一篇報導部長您先聽本席把問題問完 |
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國會殿堂上外交部長公然講CNN的記者沒有查證就這則新聞報導沒有查證因為可以很明顯就查證了我們要確認的是說那四位記者裡面他們都具名的報導 |
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據名的掛名嘛我們有去詢問這四位來確認是說你們到底怎麼會報導出來你們為什麼沒有查證那麼重要的事情中華民國不重要嗎台灣不重要嗎結果你CNN那麼國際媒體可以不查證然後報導一個猶如我們國格的新聞因為他不能查證這很嚴重啊所以問題在哪裡就他們疏失啊 |
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他們疏失所以他們四個記者沒有人查證所以CNN就是完全疏失然後後面還有認知作戰因為是事實的問題這不是評價的問題還有認知作戰背後有一個認知作戰的集團所以認知作戰的集團把CNN給收買了被運用了但是就這個事情來講CNN收買了把這四個記者給收買了你不會過度推論不是就這個事實的認定 |
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事實的認定明顯錯誤他沒有去查證可能是被設計了或怎麼樣事後也可以再澄清嘛 道歉嘛這四位記者被設計了那有沒有澄清道歉 目前還沒有其中這四位記者啦 本席看了他有掛資深的安全記者 國安記者甚至有一位記者叫Will他是CNN駐台北資深記者 |
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那事發一個禮拜了他竟然住台北啊我們外交部有沒有請他來喝咖啡來聊一下我們有請同仁去要求澄清啊那有沒有問因為你竟然都敢在國會殿堂裡面公然講說CNN完全沒有查證報導一個子虛烏有的新聞那本席就要問是說我們後續的處理因為這很嚴重喔 |
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部長 本席 有一說一這並不複雜啦 因為對 就是不複雜所以說你敢這樣子公開的指責CNN我是點出啦並且你也講了這四個記者他們沒有查證那其中一個記者就在台北啊那到目前為止我們要求他的什麼 |
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我們的國傳司跟外媒記者都有在聯繫來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來 |
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我本身就已經有表示說希望他們能夠針對錯誤的報導來澄清嘛因為這個包括像杜一景他把那個訊息的information flow把他弄出來之後就知道哪個環節被放大被扭曲本席如果說證實他們都沒有查證他們自己關在辦公室裡面隨便亂編文章然後有辱我們國格該提告要提告 |
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因為這是一個很嚴重的事情但是我覺得現在比較比較危險的地方是可能有事情或者說他可能擴大但是部長在國會見堂裡面講的是說他們是完全子虛烏有他們是捏造的不是事實然後結果具名的記者因為我覺得您這樣講可能還會傷害到記者因為你本身有當過新聞局長所以你也很了解 |
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可能對於記者的他的聲譽他的報導都有一定喔我覺得這樣子你搞不好會到這邊是CNN記者要來告外交部喔因為你剛講那句話給我10秒鐘來請這個報導說我在某個餐廳請客沒有人來嘛 |
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可是這個餐廳就不是我請客他沒有講哪個餐廳所以這件事情Google就可以查到所以他去引用人說我因為這個做主人沒有人來賞光我很難過然後非常的有挫敗我就林佳龍在這裡你來問我就好啦我有告訴你他沒有訪問你去採測你的心情這個我覺得不應該但是你說完全把這篇報導講說他是一個 |
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因為這編輯台可是整合豪奇格我覺得這一點真的是好來 我不是說CNN認知我是說我要說明喔不是我說CNN認知是背後在川習會跟APEC前後有一個集團包括很多其他媒體他們也在操作他們因為媒體他就報導他可能沒有去了解這個背景好來 那我再請教喔 |
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國際的媒體我們看完了我們來看國內媒體那國內媒體 上報在10月10號也有一個新聞他直接我覺得寫得也很硬 也很重 也很危險講說賴清德國安團隊鬧國際笑話駐台使節關切 吳釗燮跟林佳龍不和認知作戰嗎 |
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我們都有分工啊 國安會有國安的角色所以這篇報導可信度多高你說報導哪一點就是駐台使節都關切吳釗燮跟林佳龍不合啊然後國安團隊鬧國際笑話這是他們的這個有沒有查證沒有查證他也沒有查證對啊哇 那這樣我們的媒體現在在民進黨政府的督導之下 |
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所有都可以沒有查證 然後寫了國安團隊鬧國際笑話那我們有沒有對上報有做提告 |
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我跟委員報告有時候外媒的第一報導在我們國內擴大扭曲不是 我現在講的是10月10號上報的報導我是跟委員講我們有去把資訊流查出來之後有一些環節是國內的媒體去選擇性的去解釋甚至是扭曲把它放大 |
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我們要知道媒體試讀我們沒有去說哪一個點就是這個問題而是說他的這個整個流程啊是背後有這個認知作戰的痕跡我們也需要了解媒體試讀讓讀到的人不會被現在有一些政治人物是建立在錯誤的訊息事實上在批評我們嘛 |
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所以我們見不到我們想見的人嘛本席開宗明義就講我覺得到目前為止你這樣講如果全部都是推給認知作戰其實某種程度上才是對於我們外交辛苦的同仁的一個努力的抹煞 |
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因為已經出現那麼多問題了本席再一次在外交官方委員會跟我們說外交同仁也來肯定因為我們過去也接觸過很多第一線優秀外交同仁但是如果說現在是上面的人互相的針鋒相對互相的針鋒之觸互相的在不和結果你大事化小小事化我席位報導出來了還在講說沒有這是認知作戰沒有這個是捏造國際也是捏造國內也是捏造那我們還要信什麼 |
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527.87 |
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那部長最後啦 抱歉一分鐘但是這個我也想說因為外交部長其實你的發言一言一行因為你畢竟是中華民國外交部你的黨派是什麼那都是黨派但是你的外交部可是 |
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529.147 |
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554.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
你也有提到最近社群媒體平台也有提到力挺我們某一位院內的委員他爭取更高的職位人民服務那上午被問到的時候你也講說政治不離開人性啊然後要力挺不能被惡意抹黑啊那請教你的情資比較多啊那現在我們林委員是被誰惡意抹黑 |
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556.141 |
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574.447 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
我覺得參政權也是人權嘛那他現在有資格去參與初選我們就是尊重制度嘛因為我是一個政治人物我並不是選務人員所以我自己對於不管是就像說如果紅委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
575.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
596.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
你有什麼委屈 或者是什麼樣 我也是會覺得為你加油啊我一定在這邊義正嚴實 加油嘛 大家等你講啦 你說力挺人家不要被惡意抹黑啊那我想請教一下 那一定是我說不管你是善意的批評或惡意的抹黑其實我們政治人物都承擔很大的壓力所以現在林委員有沒有被惡意抹黑 |
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596.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
608.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
我覺得讓他說話嘛因為這兩兆併成不能只是片面之詞而在他說話之前都是另外一邊的話那今天他要說話我們要保障他說話的權利不管你同不同意他說話的內容 |
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610.073 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
635.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
這是我一生為民主奮鬥我從學生時代我就對於人權啊我對於每一個人啊都有就是說為他自己為社會去發聲的權利我覺得這個很重要部長這是你言論自由本席尊重我也不干涉因為這是你言論自由但本席真的只提醒你現在的工作一定是先國家再黨派一個人所以既然是國家服務的官司外交部部長 |
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637.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
657.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
就是要對得起外交部長的責任那還有真的不是一句話認知作戰啦真的面對問題解決問題才能夠真真正正的幫中華民國走出來我一定會把外交部長做好那我也是一個人除了做官做事也要會做人 |