| IVOD_ID |
165064 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165064 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-05T11:08:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-05T11:17:30+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0bb7d6ea348ff1d2c31b4ec8af8d383e575289a78f60fae5372a46263f6085049f750fbe189a9eba5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:08:42 - 11:17:30 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：邀請外交部部長、國家安全局局長、經濟部次長、大陸委員會副主任委員、行政院經貿談判辦公室副總談判代表報告「川普亞洲行及『川習會』後印太區域經濟、安全情勢對我之影響」，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席那麼一起各位先進有請外交部的林部長還有經貿談判的總管經貿談判辦公室先談一下外交這個 |
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林部長好 剛才你提了很多APEC的問題中國大陸明年要在深圳辦APEC他說要遵守一中原則才給我們參加請問你要如何營業不參加嗎我們有發新聞稿 予以駁斥平等參與是我們的權利請問你台北是不是一中原則 |
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這個不能這樣解釋所以就一個潛力士台配各自表述嘛對不對 你認為潛力士台配不是一中原則他如果認為是 去就沒問題啦我們今年去林新一帶團去就是潛力士台配啊那明年去深圳也是潛力士台配我們會籍的名稱這個沒有問題 委員這沒有問題我們講的所謂他講一中原則是他用其他的方式啊 |
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他會叫你口頭講 他也不會叫你口頭講啊他嘴巴一定講好了 你們已經遵守了因為你要潛入台北 所以我就讓你來這樣最好啊我跟委員報告齁 因為APEC是共識決齁如果他這樣子 這樣子就是扭曲 違反APEC的規定那我們共識決我們就否決啊 我們就反對啊這很多事情我們就不需要去支持他啦所以你就不去了不是啦 待會要去啊 |
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其實是他在難過 又不是我們現在我要跟你講 你沒有回答我問題嘛我的意思是說 怎麼因應他 我認為啦 我認為這個你可以大聲講啊 潛意識台北 潛意識台北各自表述啊他認為是一種原則 就很好了啊我認為 你認為不是 那就不是吧 |
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那是我們的會籍名稱本來就是如此 跟一中原則沒有關係他要扭曲 誤解 我們當然會予以駁斥如果他過頭了 我們會予以反制怎麼反制啊 因為他是共識爵所以你大會 人家不理你咧所以很多國家也會不理他 |
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這樣子喔 你這麼有把握我們上次在秘魯就是這樣子才逼得他那個書面承諾你今天要違反承諾那不是公然跟世界作對嗎你知不知道你上一任的部長 外交部長吳釗燮他任內斷交幾國請委員告訴我八國他任內斷交八國林佳龍部長到現在為止斷交幾國 |
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沒有 成績不錯啊但是現在有一股就危險了聖文森 現任的總理說如果對手選贏就這個Mr. |
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Friday他名字叫Friday 禮拜五這個說對手如果選贏會跟台灣斷交我更care的是斷交以後他跟我們貸款93億會變成呆帳你有沒有掌握這個訊息這個10月16號的新聞 |
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我們對於我想聖文森的關係是得到跨黨派的支持對 他講了他說如果對手選上我們也是予以尊重但是我想我們對台聖之間的關係啊也是有信心對 但是他說如果如果是對方贏他會跟台灣斷交那就好 那我就重要的問題在這裡了請問到現在為止我們因為斷交產生的斷交呆帳有多少錢 |
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來我請同仁有沒有因為這個東西要統計啦因為各別國家的情形你要問那麼多是從什麼時候到什麼時候哪幾個國家累積到現在嘛累積到現在因為有一些是我們是我們是有權利的有些還在訴訟有的還在打官司嘛但是我就說2017年底外交代帳是150億還沒update有沒有來來來來我們長官 |
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跟委員報告我們所有的這些財款我們都是用商業模式的方式進行所以我們都會有爭端解決跟這個我知道啦 你要打官司到我們就認為官司錢啊不回來啊沒有不會跟委員報告這些不是所謂的呆帳目前都在正常的還本還息當中跟委員報告150億喔這個2017年150億都還在都還在拿本金嗎拿本金拿利息嗎那現在都在還本還息 |
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你看一下不是這樣子喔然後在訴訟當中的部分而已啦部分不是全部啦有兩國我們在訴訟當中那訴訟我們也勝訴所以也都在正常的還本還息哪兩國 |
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300.718 |
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306.762 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
是很早以前早年斷交的在中非的兩國我就告訴我那個林部長你要去追這個啊這個盛文森遙遙遇罪你要加油啊你不要學上林部長任內斷八國如果你任內斷八國的話就剩兩國 |
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320.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
325.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
最後一個問題你這次到歐洲去旁邊有個團跑去北約是怎麼樣要跟北約談說請北約來亞洲打造亞洲的北約版是不是我們台灣跟歐盟也好北約也好很多國家都有戰略溝通是有談到這個嗎說亞洲版的北約要成立這個嗎希望他成立有沒有 |
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350.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
358.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
因為這個細節都因為涉及到很多雙邊往來我們的這個大家的一個默契或共識最少不排除嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
361.323 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
366.964 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
這個就涉及到一些雙邊往來的最後一個問題最後一個問題這個國科會主委在APEC跟美方討論台灣模式是不是正式的蕭副總統說的台灣半導體的生態系都要移植到美國是不是這樣子不是移植是擴展我們台灣的國力到美國打造台美聯合艦隊那美國優先台灣也優先 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
389.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
391.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
你知道這個要多少錢嗎其實這個要多少廠商去 你知道嗎你不知道嗎 我知道我以前當任過台中市長的時候那個中科就在那裡 我很清楚所以要幾家過去 百家以上嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
407.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
427.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
他這個一個產業聚落要形成一個產業鏈我跟委員講啦就是我那個新聯合國際的這個所謂新國際聯合艦隊以大代小公司協力軟硬結合內外兼修這四個變成布局台灣成為經濟力部落國到美國去打造台美聯合艦隊希望啦 我們大家一起努力我跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
433.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
449.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
不是每一個Supply Chain都像台積電現金滿滿的 不是他裡面來講很清楚他的資金有限他在台灣立個場你要帶到美國去對他來講是很辛苦的所以要打金價一起齁如果要出去他就沒錢啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
452.743 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
462.669 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
這個經貿辦可以回答一下這裡面我算一算就差不多原來講的要投資4千億美金換取關稅降低以及不要點家這樣講話對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
468.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
484.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
剛剛委員的問題是說是不是用4千億對就是這個supply chain整個生態系過去了嘛對不對那這個就是外界一直講我們要投資4千億美金就從這裡來的不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
486.535 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
509.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
跟委員報告我們剛剛林部長也有提到我們台灣的模式投資美國不是要產業外移是要產業的外擴跟延伸金額多少金額多少金額多少錢是產業的力量的外擴跟延伸台灣模式他強調的是主席站起來我要下去了你告訴我金額多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
510.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
523.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
金額多少?要投資金額?你都沒有算過這個是有企業自主規劃然後政府會去整合然後增加對業者支持你等於沒有答案耶這個我們不到答案了你要準備好這個答案啦外界一直想知道這樣子要投資多少啦謝謝 |