| IVOD_ID |
165047 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165047 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-22-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-05T10:43:49+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-05T11:00:46+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0bb7d6ea348ff1d2e059b0e6eac43d07367e5b5a2f2752d0372a46263f608504f6224e177d86ebea5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:43:49 - 11:00:46 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請文化部部長李遠列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【11月5日及6日兩天一次會】） |
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主席好 麻煩請部長謝謝好 有請部長葉委員你好部長好 先請教一下那個公廣的董事到底什麼時候要送來啊送到立法院剛才前面有幾位委員問同樣一個問題就是其實我們很早就啟動了啟動之後我們在徵求的過程中的確是到了最近最近就只差一個左右 |
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那只差一個左右只差一個所以要等那一個確定之後再送來是不是 |
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是嗎最近是嗎這什麼時候 因為你拖很久啦他按照道理來講這個胡元輝董事長應該是在今年5月19號就卸職啦結果因為沒有新的人所以已經一直延任那如果一直沒有人的話胡元輝董事長很想要叫我趕快換他每次都問我說什麼時候名單可以出來所以大家不要誤會我沒有說他很想做喔我沒有這樣講喔你幹嘛要這樣子我沒有這樣講喔我現在是問說因為按照法治 |
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我們總是要法治 總不能說你高興什麼時候提就什麼時候提沒有錯 沒錯現在已經都過了五個多月了都一直沒有人來 理論上來講你應該在他卸任半年前就要提等於你晚了將近一年文化部可以晚將近一年把董事名單送過來審查其實是很慢 他總共任期三年你慢提了一年 三分之一 |
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這個我覺得實在是太久了啦所以你應該要給一個承諾就是什麼時間點然後你總不能說我吃吃等一個人吧那個人不答應我就是要等到他答應為止然後這樣又過三年我覺得大家也不能接受啦所以大概什麼時候總是要有個dayline嘛大概什麼時候其實我們就只差一個但是就很難找的原因是我們希望找來的人你們沒有公開跟大家推薦不行啊 這個是秘密啊 |
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不是啦 我是說公開請大家推薦最後你決定誰當秘密嘛但是我想這沒有那麼困難以前的文化部長都沒這個問題那您上任就有這個問題那可能就是你的問題了啦好不好 盡快啦 那什麼時候 |
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總之要給自己一個因為按照依法你早就要送來的沒錯這個對不對公共電視法第16條委員你講的都完全對我自己很抱歉因為從來沒有文化部長會在這麼久提不出來那之前的文化部長都非常按照規定在前半年就提了提完之後有兩次是隔了一千天才產生最後的換句話說這一千天都是原來的董事長跟董事會在待所以後來我們才會修法說 |
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如果產生不咬的話原來這些董事繼續做的原因就是過去的經驗那個是一個彈性啦但並不是說反正既然這樣子我就不提了不會不會我覺得不是部長請你快一點啦因為感覺上你好像也沒辦法給一個承諾啦對我實在好那 |
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先來跟您請教因為董事其實他對於有一些決策影響力很大甚至還會推翻文化部的決定我們來看去年大家很關心就是公廣集團怎麼忽然間要砸3000萬投資AI呢當時在審預算的時候也有討論公廣集團的說法是說他們要賺錢所以要投資3000萬做這件事情可是我們當時也有質疑過 |
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因為他這個所謂的投資AI只是把一些設備更新或是借一些活動其實沒有到達人家講的所謂AI的那一種標準跟水準那我後來看到文化部你們好像有去踩煞車你們好像有去踩煞車你們有跟他們公廣集團說因為他們要必須要先修訂一個投資管理辦法你們跟他說這個先緩議 |
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結果我看你們7月23號發文給公廣集團跟他說叫他緩議結果在公廣集團的會議記錄裡面砲聲隆隆把你打臉的這個 我也感到不值啦像這個胡董事長袁輝就說文化部你憑什麼管我們文化部你在投資管理辦法只有被查的權限沒有核定跟緩議的權限所以文化部要求緩議方式處理已經越權了 |
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不然你越權了啦 好不好然後再來那個黃監察人明輝說文化部不宜直接駁回或要求還議然後其他的董事一樣砲聲隆隆啊像這個郭董事立心說文化部做法已經超越主管機關的職權了啦所以他們做一個決議第一個文化部韓文所敘述的部分 |
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部分與事實不符啦 要給予澄清啦 還說你們造謠第二個呢 說主管機關對於公共媒體營運的獨立自主要尊重所以你們影響到他們的獨立啦再來呢 他說要正式函附文化部表達他們的立場那 部長 最後這個事情到底怎麼樣這個我簡單講 就是因為公廣集團忽然間 |
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要投資三千萬做AI外界爭議很大文化部想要踩煞車所以跟公廣講說先緩一緩然後結果公廣集團說文化部沒有這個權利那這是八月他們討論的那現在已經十一月初了所以我不知道最新的進度到底文化部對於公廣集團是有沒有影響力還是還是這個事情就是會繼續做下去啊部長 |
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其實我知道他們為什麼那麼氣的原因是因為他大概 我們剛才看到華視的虧損年年增加到有一天沒有啦 部長我沒有問你他為什麼氣啦不是我看出來他很氣我只是問說這個事情到底進展如何所以這個事情是文化部要做還是不要做我們的確是沒有辦法叫他不要做只能建議他寫更清楚因為他的確他報備就OK啊所以今天共和集團有人來嗎 |
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有啊 那非常憤怒 我也覺得要請他自己解釋一下跟你解釋 然後跟社會大眾解釋啦就是 哇塞 這個用詞譴制簡直很不給部長面子耶請問總經理所以要請總經理嗎對 總經理所以你們這個事情是怎麼樣 現在因為8月21號嘛 現在已經11月初了所以這個事情是因為你們確定不理文化部了嘛 |
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不是啦 會議紀錄這樣寫的啦這不是我掰的啊 我們都有秀出來啊 |
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所以你們接下來這個事情準備要修改了嘛對不對 那個投資管理辦法管理辦法還是會修改修改之後還是要依照程序修改完有沒有再送文化部有沒有其實一直都會送文化部不是啊 8月21號以後還沒送嘛就是你還是確定不理文化部的懷疑嘛還是會送那文化部只能依法核定嘛那文化部依法核定之後你們什麼時候開始投資三千萬目前還沒有 |
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還沒有這個動作還沒有這個動作那大概什麼時候要有這個動作我們目前也是希望新的董事會成立以後再做進行新的董事會成立之後再來投資是不是對 再經由審議程序來OK 好 謝謝部長 部長部長 文化部說確定不理你啦要再送啦到時候你再看怎麼回啦好然後再來我們再來看一下 |
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再問一下也是台灣Plus的事情因為上一次很多棒球迷心碎了因為本來台灣Plus在國慶的時候推出一個原創紀錄片它是在敘述台灣怎麼樣奪下世界棒球12強首冠傳奇故事其實應該是還蠻不錯 蠻好看的感動人心可是上架沒多久就下架我們私下了解這個紀錄片是花了一百多萬拍的 |
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然後應該是昨天去看他現在依然沒有上架等於是這100多萬就丟在水裡了請問部長您知道這個事嗎 |
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我不太清楚你不清楚 這新聞鬧很大在網路上也討論很熱烈還是請攤發執行長說明一下請他自己解釋等一下再請那個部長這個您也是要監督一下先聽他怎麼講報告委員 這個事情是這樣因為我們委託了個廠商他是向中華棒球協會取得畫面那畫面當中有部分的版權需要再取得愛爾達的授權那這個在授權過程當中我們發現有點瑕疵所以請他暫時下架 |
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那另外再調整過後過一陣子我們會再說過一陣子要多久因為已經很久了我們現在審我們這個製作完以後我們會請外部專家再審片再檢查一遍以後才會大概近期那你們內部會有什麼機制嗎因為這個事情蠻扯的第一個你浪費納稅人錢 |
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第二個 你算是有國家資源投入的一個媒體居然有侵權行為事先的管控都沒有做到我們在合約中有證明 乙方要負責沒有啦 推給乙方那甲方都沒責任那甲方你們好好做喔以後出事都乙方做事就對了 |
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不會 我們內部會再重新檢討對 所以你這個機制有問題嘛那你們有做出什麼檢討嗎這種事情棒球迷很生氣耶這要看的時候怎麼會因為Town Plus的問題因為侵權因為侵權這種理由然後下架 到現在還沒上片這個一定要有一個檢討啦要給棒球迷一個交代啦 |
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對 不能說那廠商問題跟我無關我覺得這種態度國人不能接受我們會檢討 然後修好以後再重新上台那大概什麼時候給大家一個 不能無止盡量下去希望在12月之前重新上台12月之前是好 謝謝然後再來喔 那個部長跟請教 中央社也是文化部補助的嘛 |
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中央社最近也有一個話題就是時代雜誌有一個華府的智庫亞洲計畫中心主任叫高德斯坦他在時代雜誌上面有一篇文章講到賴清德總統是魯莽的領導人大概是這樣這個背景你應該曉得然後結果中央社的報導因為他報導說高德斯坦 |
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這篇文章他沒有講說是高德斯坦的文章他直接說時代雜誌報導所以呢中央社很生氣就說要懲處我們來看一下中央社的一個聲明 |
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我們來看中央社的聲明 他說本社10月24號報導美國時代雜誌刊登文章指賴總統是魯莽領導人本社並未易寫時代雜誌文章他簡單講這個意思是這樣啦就他說這不能怪 中央社都不能怪我啦因為我們不是直接去寫說 |
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這個是時代雜誌的文章 我們是轉述外交部的新聞稿 而外交部的新聞稿講說是時代雜誌的文章所以 不是我們直接講的 是我們轉述外交部的聲明稿 |
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但是中央社覺得這個報導處理不當要對記者編輯督導主管進行懲處請問一下現在懲處什麼是怎樣懲處很感謝委員問這個問題因為我想說外界實在是講的沒有完全完整據我知道處理的滿完整是不是請胡社長跟您報告就是現在是給他們寄過還是怎麼樣怎麼懲處 |
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好 謝謝委員關心外界報導很多其實事實上我們到現在為止並沒有還沒有進行到懲處我們必須講這件事情各界的意見正反兩面差異非常大而且非常非常的龐大超過我們可以我可以感覺到這個事情所反映是台灣社會的政治立場的多元性但我很希望這個事情能夠回歸到新聞本業專業的 |
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市長可不可以長話短說 好不好 |
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因為我們時間有限 權威機構有做在先但我們作為新聞媒體呢還是要負責把關我們是略有把關不力跟查證不足我們很慎重所以我們到昨天自律委員會請了四位外聘委員來解說這個新聞原理我希望能回到新聞原理那委員我們內部都有共識就是教育這個事情是一個在職教育因為這case很特殊不好意思 |
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我覺得大家 我問得很明確啦因為你說將 將懲處嘛那現在是還沒懲處嘛還在研究要怎麼懲處中嘛不是 昨天下午是新聞自律委員會開會沒有沒有 這過程不要我們直接講解因為這個你要講可能你可以講一小時啊我怕主席隨時會站起來 |
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對 就是你現在還沒懲處嘛 還沒有嘛但是你們會懲處嘛 只是過程你要研究嘛因為爭議很大 大概是這樣 長話短說是這樣沒錯嘛 還沒懲處啦好 謝謝 我有再一分鐘 因為他們講比較久就是我覺得 這個懲處真的很奇怪啊我真的覺得非常奇怪啊第一個外交 你們說你們是引述外交部的聲明那外交部自己都沒懲處了 |
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外交部都沒懲處 如果外交部應該更氣啊你們發稿的人怎麼害中央社引述錯誤 害人家懲處外交部要先懲處 外交部都沒懲處 中央社說要先懲處我覺得這很奇怪 非常非常非常奇怪這個我不知道為什麼這樣子啊 那麼害怕只是因為報導了賴總統是魯莽的領導人 中央社就嚇成這樣然後 第二 |
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你說那個高德斯坦我們回到剛剛高德斯坦的那篇文章他是投書嗎這也不是投書好不好他是一個實在雜誌的邀稿邀稿跟投書一樣嗎社長你也是媒體人嘛 一樣嗎 |
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這完全不一樣的狀況這個是時代雜誌要寫一篇報導然後邀了一個學者跟他的觀點一樣的文章投書感覺好像民意論壇不是嘛然後那個時候我看到很多民進黨的人在洗地就是說這個只是投書啦不能代表時代雜誌的立場如果我今天投書自由時報去罵賴清德他會採用嗎 |
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不可能是嘛我覺得這個事情中央社自己不用那麼怕啦好像得罪賴總統就這麼害怕都要懲處然後我覺得真的不用然後中央社我認為你們報導如果你要講到這個事情另外給你一個建議啦該寫的東西還是要寫啦你看喔前兩天那個應該是禮拜天的時候美國的戰爭部長戰爭部長弄一個貼文 |
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他說他講了一個他跟川普通過電話然後說美中關係這個有史以來最好然後又講他跟董軍的電話如何如何如何其實媒體人一看就知道這個新聞點因為我以為你又超過2分鐘30秒30秒那個點這個點就是在美中關係有史以來最好結果我們看中央社的報導講了一大堆就是沒有提到美中關係從此如此好 |
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就故意審閱這句好像報導人家講說美中關係好這件事情又怕會得罪會不會影響到抗中保台路線啊是不是又會得罪今上中央社我覺得真的不用如果說真的是一個國家通訊社就要中立啦要中立什麼樣的立場都要報導希望中央社可以做到啦謝謝委員指導好不好部長有沒有部長兩句話評論一下部長 部長因為中央社也是你補助的 |
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我不知道該講什麼我覺得大家誤會好像蠻深的其實台灣從過去的威權走到民主國家不能再走回威權不過沒有我就是要講這個譬如說委員對我們的質詢我覺得都很有道理講得也非常好其實我們沒有 |
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已經走到民主國家就不能回頭嘛所以大家一直懷疑中央社也好公廣集團也好其實至少我來這邊已經快一年多我從來沒有干預過這就是一個進步嘛一個進步國家就是你已經爭取到言論自由你已經爭取到民主制度你就不會再回頭這一點我覺得大家在媒體上講講講講講後來好像真的又回頭 |
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這不可能的部長我很肯定你但我們講話都有憑有據跟你立場一樣好不容易走到民主不要再回頭媒體也不要幫執政黨擦脂抹粉謝謝謝謝葉遠之 葉遠之詢部長請回座 |