| IVOD_ID |
165039 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165039 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-05T09:45:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-05T10:00:24+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0bb7d6ea348ff1d2d8388b92daff419e88b64aa779fa24d2462d9096eb7c9b6774277e4527d10aae5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:45:09 - 10:00:24 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查(一)行政院函請審議、(二)委員王美惠等20人、(三)委員李坤城等18人、(四)委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人、(五)委員羅美玲等19人、(六)委員黃捷等21人、(七)委員邱鎮軍等21人、(八)委員吳沛憶等16人、(九)委員林楚茵等17人、(十)委員沈伯洋等18人、(十一)委員蔡易餘等17人、(十二)委員郭昱晴等16人分別擬具「電信管理法第七十二條條文修正草案」案及(十三)委員林宜瑾等22人擬具「電信管理法增訂第七十二條之二條文草案」案。
二、審查(一)行政院函請審議、(二)委員王美惠等19人、(三)委員李坤城等17人、(四)委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人、(五)委員黃捷等22人、(六)委員吳沛憶等16人、(七)委員林楚茵等17人、(八)委員沈伯洋等18人、(九)委員蔡易餘等16人及(十)委員郭昱晴等16人分別擬具「氣象法第二十一條之一條文修正草案」案。
三、審查(一)行政院函請審議、(二)委員王美惠等20人、(三)委員李坤城等18人、(四)委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人、(五)委員羅美玲等19人、(六)委員黃捷等22人、(七)委員邱鎮軍等23人、(八)委員吳沛憶等16人、(九)委員林楚茵等17人、(十)委員沈伯洋等19人、(十一)委員蔡易餘等16人及(十二)委員郭昱晴等16人分別擬具「商港法第十五條及第六十五條之四條文修正草案」案。
四、審查(一)行政院函請審議、(二)委員蔡其昌等22人、(三)委員王美惠等21人、(四)委員李坤城等18人、(五)委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人、(六)委員黃捷等16人、(七)委員徐富癸等16人、(八)委員吳沛憶等16人、(九)委員林楚茵等17人、(十)委員沈伯洋等19人、(十一)委員蔡易餘等17人、(十二)委員郭昱晴等16人分別擬具「船舶法部分條文修正草案」案及(十三)委員蘇巧慧等18人擬具「船舶法第八條及第八十九條條文修正草案」案。
【本日會議僅進行詢答；開會事由一第(九)至(十二)案、開會事由二第(七)至(十)案、開會事由三第(九)至(十二)案及開會事由四第(九)至(十二)案如經院會復議，則不予審查】
【11月3日及5日二天一次會】） |
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好 感謝主席 大聯盟裁判都是一樣但我們也期待部會直球對決來 請速發部部長好 請部長 |
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好 部長委員長今天海蘭七法其實我想不管國安治安治安都是全台2350萬人共同要求也共同期待也共同要注意的所以我們不分黨派共同來努力但是我想先了解一下說我們有沒有針對我們最正需要面對的問題來去對症下藥請教一下現在我們海蘭 |
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海底電纜裡面到底我們現在有幾條是目前還在這個進行中是斷裂的狀況這件事情是不是可以請我們那個任慶司來簡單說明一下好不好 |
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好 謝謝委員的隨詢基本上海嵐目前在海嵐的狀況我們在速發部的官網都及時的更新像昨天又更新一筆目前有三個海嵐是有故障的情形三個海嵐有故障是 另外三個是計劃性維修 以上報告好 那最近本席有看到社群媒體平台在昨天晚上有一個貼文寫說出大事 台灣海底電纜又斷了 |
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那其中這一條他就指的是這個海峽中線1號是不是 TSE1來 有沒有掌握是 這個狀況是不是說明一下包委員 海峽觀覽1號目前為止有部分新覽中斷但是那個中斷不是在所謂的使用的觀覽上它只是一條觀覽中斷那一條海覽裡頭有非常多的光纖只是斷了一條那這一條並沒有影響通訊 |
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那我們也在前面已經在公告跟委員報告10月27號已經有把這個訊息有公告出來但是事實上完全不影響通訊以上報告完全不影響通訊那不過在這個網站上面它看起來它是呈現是一個中斷的狀況並且它是變成是紅線所以這我想也利用這個機會給你闢謠一下或說讓 |
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所有國人在使用網路的可以安心因為畢竟我們看到社群媒體平台是有這樣的一個討論而且討論蠻熱烈的所以你說不影響這個通訊那另外一個部分是說那有沒有什麼樣造成的原因是什麼有沒有掌握了 |
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包委員目前為止我們我還是因為上次有一個新聞事件就台灣海岸斷9條所以自此以後速發部會及時的更新我們的網頁我們現在先講這個海峽光線1號有沒有掌握它的這個斷裂或是說你說停損的原因是什麼 |
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目前海嵐在維修的時候目前為止看到是沒有人為的一個情形那至於詳細的斷裂原因比如說自然原因是什麼原因還要等海嵐真正維修撈起來後才會更清楚以上報告所以什麼時候可以確認目前為止它現在這個維修它是官方維修還是這個民間維修 |
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報告委員所有的海嵐維修都是由民間在維修的那目前所以這一條他是民間所有是沒錯那目前的狀況是維修的情形海嵐現在海嵐業者還在評估當中因為海嵐還在釣海嵐船是好來部長 |
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部長本席之前在外交國防委員會也有這個相關議題的時候本席就非常的重視國安局報告說每年至少有七到八條的台灣海欄對外海欄是斷裂或是說破損的狀況近幾年近三年有25次那本席也問了就是說如果在國安局的這個報告裡面或者是說我們今天所謂的海欄七法其實講白了啦是 |
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只指一個源頭如果說撇除意外的狀況只指一個源頭就是我們認為是中共中國大陸刻意的破壞台灣對外的一個聯繫有沒有這樣的狀況 |
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是關於這個海嵐這個破壞剛剛委員提到其實就是事情的重點因為現在台灣面對的是敵對就是中國大陸那邊的一些灰色地帶襲擾他這些灰色地帶襲擾就是讓我們很難去判斷說他到底是故意的還是是無意的他就算是故意的他又裝作是那個無意的不小心就是過失那過失我們又很難 |
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判斷我們現在要討論這些相關的修法那你們其實源頭都指的是說就是刻意要破壞嘛是那但是我也問啦25次的近三年25次的一個破壞那到底我們有求償幾次你知道答案嗎是我們國安局這邊給我們的回覆說25次裡面只求償了兩次啊 |
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那我們也在問是說那如果說你今天我們不管我們的法令要定的多嚴格我們希望是說能夠保護但是兩個部分嘛一個是如果說破壞的時候而且我還問球場是誰來球場也是民間嘛跟我們官方沒有辦法有任何我是甚至講是說如果我們真的講要抗中保台啦民進黨政府要做真的那你陸委會代位球場啊你法務部代位球場啊 |
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海委會代位求償啊印起來嘛打國際官司嘛也沒有也是要推給民間那中華電信有沒有去處理25次 2次 |
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所以我們現在講的是說現在我們要加強不管是海蘭七法我們這相關的法例能夠加強台灣的通訊安全保障資安我都支持但是我們有沒有做實事有沒有面對到問題去處理問題還是說只要是傳之過來我甚至查到最新一個新聞是 |
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8月底是他是說一個陸級的船長他破壞了中華電信的1700萬的海纜要維修就到最後侵犯三年是那有沒有球場 |
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是 跟委員報告因為這些海嵐都是民間機構所擁有的所以當然要訴訟要求償當然是必須由民間的這些海嵐公司來要求那我們真正是不行的時候我們才需要做像是代位求償這種事情所以什麼時候有可能啟動代位求償你這樣講是說有可能喔 |
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如果民間需求 民間處理不了的話我們當然過去幾年 過去三年25次的斷線民間有沒有提過說要代位球場那今天速發部願意跳出來我覺得很好啊是能不能代位球場我覺得如果這樣的話我們支持有意義喔是這個事情我們會不會去研究 |
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部長是立法院法治局指出法規沒有規定領海外我國海欄被破壞的處罰事項建議修正經濟部速發部都回應如果新增意外的效力條款容易引發管轄權的爭議是建議不建議修正法治局又提說過失損毀應該要負民事責任速發部或經濟部又認為現行民法已經有相關規範不建議修正那不就是玩假的嗎 |
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你剛又在講是說我講中華電信因為最大的這個業主是中華電信嘛那中華電信的海嵐破壞了過去這三年中華電信還算是我們官方機關辦官方機關結果他也沒有我不知道是說是過去沒有這樣的管道讓中華電信能夠來拜託請求代位求償還是明明有管道他們不願意申請 |
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那另外第二個部分是說我們現在臨海以外的被破壞的一個行為我們也沒有任何的辦法是這個關於這臨海以外我們是不是有管轄權我們在法律上是不是可以去去處罰他這個是涉及那個法律的專業那我們請那個我們法治處處長我們因為這個是國際的狀況我相信不會是只有台灣的台南會被破壞沒錯沒錯國外怎麼做 |
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是我們至少沒有辦法跟美國學習我們跟韓國學習 跟日本學習總可以吧那日本怎麼做 韓國怎麼做 我們去研究如果說他們公海上面 領海以外日本的海欄被破壞 他們怎麼做 |
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是 包括委員依照聯合國的海洋法公約113條的規定也不是這個113條而是除了有沒有普遍的管轄權應該是除了海盜罪以外其他的罪行大致上都沒有普遍的管轄權也就是不適合在意外行使對於傳奇國的一個管轄那所以 那他們怎麼做如果說日本政府他們面臨到海瀾被破壞 |
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所以他們也是回歸到海洋法113條的規定來處理也就是只有領海內來做一個執法的一個範圍好啦 來 部長要扯到後面又講說我們不是聯合國的會員等等的你又又繞回來了老問題我覺得要面對問題我們也希望是說能夠支持但是如果說海外電纜被破壞都無法可管那修法不是等於修半套嗎 |
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是但是這個是很殘酷的國際現實我們並不是美國像美國最近那個川普總統常常利用一些海盜就是覺得是海盜的原因去做一些那個境外公海上的那個執法但是台灣並沒有辦法這樣做所以我們還是必須遵守這個國際的法律的這些規定那這個是我們很不幸我們台灣並不是像沒有如果說你要這樣講的話那我就很期待民進黨政府硬起來我支持 |
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如果說誰破壞我們台灣的海欄真的有罪證確鑿的話硬起來啊美國政府可以做到台灣政府做不到不是說台美關係史上最佳嗎學一學嘛來最後一分鐘啦不好意思稍微站起來等一下我九分鐘啦 |
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我看到昨天速發部為了防堵跨境的購物造成非洲豬瘟的一個破口所以說馬上找了Google Meta Line跟TikTok四大網路平台來延商那重點其實主要就是要提供關鍵字就不讓豬肉製品能夠進口我想先請教這個其實這是源頭管理我認同 |
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就是說你連購物平台上面不管是接下來要進來的雙11你連買或是看都不能看到肉乾肉鬆等等肉製品那你連下單都沒有辦法下單你當然就不會透過平台進來嘛所以現在有可以把握我們台灣所有的購物平台上面都不會再出現 |
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外境外的豬肉製品這是我們努力的目標那我們這個盡量用關鍵字去搜尋難免有時候會有些人疏漏的地方疏漏的時候我們發現就會馬上再通知這些平台馬上要求他們更新他們的所以不會讓民眾在購物網站上面可以找到這些豬肉製品我會從資訊流 金流以及物流三方來處理可以做得到嘛是好 那本席講另外一個我長期關注的議題是 |
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電子菸現在在台灣合法嗎這個要問衛福部什麼還要問衛福部你有沒有一點common sense電子菸在台灣合不合法還要問衛福部喔是有沒有common sensecommon sense吧這算是電子菸在台灣合不合法委員好我知道今天的問題點了原來到目前為止速發部都不知道電子菸在台灣合不合法槍枝在台灣合不合法這common sense吧 |
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槍枝當然要看是使用的人一般民眾是違法的但是軍人還有警察當然是合法能不能在網路上可以買得到槍 不行嘛能不能在網路上買得到毒品 不行嘛那電子菸合不合法 |
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來來來剛剛你沒有來回答一下一分鐘剛才我的一分鐘很寶貴因為我的了解當然電子菸依照衛福部的規定現在是不合法非常好來那從本席過去也一直從上一任部長位置講就是說如果不合法的話怎麼可以那麼輕易的我們Google不用打任何的隱蔽的 |
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隱晦的字眼我打電子菸三個字就可以出現官方網站購買電子菸還可以直接下單然後三天之內他寄到7-11還不用查身份證件我就可以直接來買這行之有年欸那我一直提說你應該是 |
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不管境內境外 重點來來來 重點在於是重點在於是跟我剛剛討論非洲豬瘟是一樣的道理重點在於是台灣2300萬人能不能用我們的Google我在台灣上Google能不能查到這些資訊嘛如果說你剛剛講說非洲豬瘟我都可以一天時間把四大平台業者找來並且要求他們就是屏蔽 |
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我不能出現豬肉製品我連讓你下單都沒有辦法下單所以你根本不會買也不會進來嘛我肯定我肯定但一樣的道理那電子煙呢到目前為止你你等一下可以請同仁隨便一個幕僚查電子煙三字你都不用打任何的那種隱晦的字眼就電子煙你就可以出現在首頁Google的第一個搜尋就可以出現電子煙官方網站琳瑯滿目 |
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三天下訂 三天到貨千元有找 滿千送百還有會員所以本席要講的就是說這個東西是一個不應該被任何人輕易搜尋到的那但是到目前為止提了那麼久了結果如果有法源的依據只要衛福部那邊一定有法源依據衛福部從以前到現在陰害防治法就有法源依據 |
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所以現在又推給衛福部處理不是因為這個是政府的分工的問題我們速發部我們第一次做言論管制我想部長這絕對不是言論管制你怎麼會提到言論管制呢違法違禁品毒品販賣在網路上結果你跟我講言論管制我的意思是說這個事情不是由我們判斷就是說這個 |
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就是電子菸哪些網站是合法哪些電子菸是合法所以本席現在確認兩件事情第一是可以做到的現在技術本來就可以技術上可以做到有法律上創意私房的時候一天內那個論壇就可以下架對那個是衛福部發新聞給我們那我們現在我也已經不只一次要求前任部長現任部長我也會講 |
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883.837 |
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898.611 |
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但是我要求的是不要互推皮球這一點真的是所有國小國中高中的家長都很擔心就像棒球隊一樣有那個內野有投手各自有各自的分工但是我們要合作 |
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899.011 |
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914.638 |
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那這個自求對決就是要各自分工本席這個議題會持續追我也看什麼時候衛福部跟觸發部要硬起來可以共同的讓國人不要受到這個危害本席會再追這個事情謝謝 非常謝謝謝謝部長 |