| IVOD_ID |
165037 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165037 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-05T10:32:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-05T10:42:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0bb7d6ea348ff1d226a2c7b924a38f366e3cb72f09a57cc5462d9096eb7c9b679958b8a00feea6e15ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:32:08 - 10:42:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查：
（一）本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「公司法第二百三十五條之一條文修正草案」案。
（二）本院委員許宇甄等17人擬具「公司法第三百八十七條條文修正草案」案。
（三）本院委員吳秉叡等21人擬具「公司法第二百二十二條條文修正草案」案。
（四）本院委員鄭正鈐等16人擬具「公司法第一百六十條條文修正草案」案。
（五）本院委員楊瓊瓔等17人擬具「公司法第三百八十七條條文修正草案」案。
（六）本院委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「公司法第三百八十七條條文修正草案」案。
（七）本院委員黃建賓等17人擬具「公司法第二百三十五條之一條文修正草案」案。
（八）本院委員林岱樺等16人擬具「公司法第三百八十七條條文修正草案」案。
（九）本院委員張嘉郡等18人擬具「公司法第三百八十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十）本院委員何欣純等16人擬具「公司法第三百八十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十一）本院委員郭國文等16人擬具「公司法第一百六十五條條文修正草案」案。
（十二）本院委員牛煦庭等17人擬具「公司法第三百八十七條之一及第四百四十九條條文修正草案」案。
二、審查：
（一） 本院委員牛煦庭等16人擬具「商業登記法第九條之一及第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
三、審查：
（一）本院委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（二）本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「能源管理法第七條條文修正草案」案。
（三）本院委員蔡其昌等19人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（四）本院委員鍾佳濱等20人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（五）本院委員邱議瑩等17人擬具「能源管理法增訂第十九條之二及第二十七條之一條文草案」案。
以上全案於11月5日(星期三)進行合併詢答，11月6日(星期四)處理。【11月5日及6日二天一次會】） |
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好 谢谢主席 我想要请龚部长我们再请龚部长龚部长早安我想要请问你你知道美国最高法院现在在审理川普政府他对等关税的合法性什么时候会出来你们有没有评估好像大家评估说一月吧 是不是 |
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這個就要看美國最高法院的審理的進度你們都沒有評估嗎行政院或者你們經濟部相關的都沒評估嗎我們現在做好就是對等談判還是做好最好的準備因為我們不曉得談判可能的結果但是我們也理解就是說談判會在這個判決前還是判決後出來 |
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你认为这个你们现在已经在谈了吗是不是对还是持续谈那我们也有发现就是美国会把对等关税很多的项目基本上慢慢移到232去所以他当然也有一些他们的因应做法我说美国行政部会把他移到232有些现在在讨论当中但是232因为还要做产业调查时程上会有一点232是不会受影响的吗 |
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不会受最高法院审理的影响那贝森特也有说他说他可能会有即便不合法的情况下他有可能会引用其他的有可能是122嘛贸易法的122条嘛 |
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那122條他目前就是比較相對上就是對部分的商品徵收15%然後是150天這比目前我們台灣的對等關稅還要有利 |
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就是15我們現在是20疊加嘛那他如果這個貿易法的122條的這個150天內徵收最高15%的關稅的話那是比目前的20%加N還要再好那另外他也有可能採取的是關稅法338條 |
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那338條他就會最高稅率就會到50%那請問喔我們如果未來面對這個情況但第一個情況是對等關稅會不會在審理之前出來那如果在審理之前出來我們是不是能夠爭取到就是說最有利的所以 |
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像你們當初所認為目標的關稅15%是不是就是像貿易法122條這樣子的一個15%的關稅是不是 |
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報告委員就是說我們還是至少要比20%要低往下談希望這樣子如果可以到15%的話當然也是我們的期待但是這就是還是中間要談而且不疊加那也希望就是說232的部分我們也可以有比較好的優惠待遇剛剛跟委員報告過因為他們行政部門事實上除了可能會引用其他的法案之外 |
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也有可能把很多的项目移到232去所以232我们还是要谈所以为什么我们要求你们担心的应该是所有他们把可能加征关税的部分移到232去对 如果被判违宪的话如果那如果合宪就没有问题所以再怎么样我们还是要跟他们行政部门还是要持续的谈才可以保障我们的可能的权益对 |
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所以你也没有说到底会在生理前我们的对等关税就会出来因为美中也谈了嘛对不对对因为这个还是很难去预估啦还是要看美中谈完了那是不是就是说他们也稀土也都暂缓一年了那是不是现在就就是我们台美的部分是不是应该要有一个比较比较明朗然后跟民众也说啊是不是 |
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当然我们态度上还是期待如果可以快的话我们是希望尽快因为我们毕竟现在的临时性的对等关税还是20%我们希望如果可以尽早决定的话如果可以往下调的话对我们帮助是比较好的所以你觉得会尽快谈 |
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我們期待是希望然後談到15%是不是盡力啦盡力有可能嗎盡力盡力就是按照貿易法的122條對盡力談到15%我們來盡力希望委員給我們支持加油我給你加油川普要不要給你加油我們盡力 |
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還有我還要再提到就是美中他們談到揮打的晶片這個問題那看來就是如果我們台灣要以就是AI為發展的這樣子一個半導體的未來的規劃那我們就會勢必要面臨的第一點 |
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美國他會不會還是持續的要求我們把我們整個半導體的供應鏈移往美國照美國的看法是這樣他是他國內的需求有一部分希望在美國生產因為他有經濟安全上的一些問題會不會希望加大 |
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還沒有看到會不會加大因為它主要還是在滿足它美國需求為主它並沒有額外說要出口到其他地區的部分是希望在美國生產到達沒有這樣的情況因為它已經改變了過去我們是以效率為導向的現在它已經以安全韌性為導向它一直要求我們加大 |
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過去在台灣生產對他們來講最有效率可是他們現在因為安全跟韌性的問題一直要求我們加大對美的投資對我們來講的話如果那邊有訂單可以獲益的話當然廠商的佈局我跟你講這是陷阱你一直去但是未來如果沒有一直去啦 |
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我就說他要求我們一直去嘛 是不是那未來如果他們又調高美就是調高台灣相關的產品對美的這個關稅因為這個東西掌握在他們手上啊 是不是這個主控權不在我們所以這個也是談判的過程嘛 |
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對 我是說如果啦我們一直去的情況下當然不是這一次的談判如果下次或者是未來他們反而就是說提高了台灣蘇美半導體的相關的關稅的時候那我們就完了那時候你可能不是經濟部長啦 |
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那台辦總要有一個合理性跟一個依據嘛那你說你為了滿足美國國內的需求有一部分的產能在美國我覺得這個是還算是合理的但是你如果要過多的話而且是沒有假設是沒有效率的生產但是這是不合理啊 |
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也會影響到我們的就業人口啊會影響到台灣的就業人口啊台灣的部分倒沒有問題台灣的部分現在時序的半導體一直在增加我們只是現在擔心的就是說土地不足以去支撐那麼多的這些半導體廠或者是 |
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相關的資源包括您剛才提到人力的部分是啊因為不管是因為很多我們如果要去美國設廠我們的人力就要就是有一部分勢必要去建廠等等相關的規劃一定是往美國去那相關的我們在台灣如果要發展相關的半導體的時候所以您可以看到台積電的話他是建廠的人過去蓋完廠以後他就回來所以他不會一直留在美國 |
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那如果他要求我們加大呢你有辦法嗎有沒有辦法不要讓他要求我們加大啊因為加大到時候美國生產太多台灣要輸美的這些半島有關稅他又未來他如果突然把我們加高關稅咧沒有 他這個就是談判的過程他要我們去投資的話一定這個關稅會有最惠國的待遇我們才會同意啊 |
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这是一个谈判过程好还有我觉得我们也必须要考量到大陆市场的AI发展我就说在全球的视角里面美国跟大陆是AI两个一个是高阶一个是低阶的相关的发展那大陆的市场对我们也是相当的有诱因那这样子的情况下我们未来我们的科技业要怎么样分散这些风险 |
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但是也是我們台灣政府必須要考量的是 只要不是在這個管制的項目範圍啊那或者是不在實體金單那我們還是跟中國還是有正常的交易啊這沒有問題啊 |
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對 我是說我們的 我們還是必須要就是說因為如果未來AI的產業在全球要蓬勃發展 不要泡沫化我相信就是說美國的高階跟就是在大陸的這樣低階的這個AI的相關的發展性都必須要並重那台灣才會在這個位置上面有最大的立即點嗎 |
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我們的產業AI的產業發展才會有最大的利基點我認為經濟部必須要就是審慎的去考量這樣子的就是兩者的相關性好不好是 所以我剛才特別提到了如果它不在實體清單也不在管制項目範圍裡面那我們當然是樂觀其成這個本來就正常的貿易在進行當中好 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝薛一鋒委員謝謝郭文部長我們現在休息三分鐘 不好意思剛剛也宣布了 不好意思 |