| IVOD_ID |
165022 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165022 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-22-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-05T09:57:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-05T10:08:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0bb7d6ea348ff1d2b0c30e3ae2c4f1da367e5b5a2f2752d0462d9096eb7c9b67858267200b5a9bf45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
萬美玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:57:11 - 10:08:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請文化部部長李遠列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【11月5日及6日兩天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝召委 我們有請部長請部長萬維你好好 部長早部長我想這個文化的工作從你上任到現在你有沒有覺得其實項目非常多 樣貌非常廣其實工作壓力是蠻大的 |
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其實還好耶因為我覺得文化工作我來這邊所以工作壓力不大 項目也不多 樣貌也不廣不是 應該這樣講我來之後告訴自己說文化工作就是一波接一波的沒關係 我相信很好就是說你也說到了嘛一波接一波其實很多事情要做嘛微信五個就好 這樣 |
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當然問心無愧難道問心有愧的來做這件事嗎所以但是呢我想部長我要提醒您啦就是說這個是應該你對自己要有期許我們對你也是要有期許就是說文化的工作其實非常多不管今天要把台灣這個文化藉由這個文化外交各方面的這個形式讓世界看到台灣就是第一個第二個 |
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我们怎么让台湾的文化不管在这个素质上面在习惯上面的养成在深度广度我们在台湾内部我们也要加强我想这点都同意所以我觉得其实不会有太多的时间去搞意识形态其实应该回到这个文化的主体我这样的说法您同意吗 |
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非常同意因为我自己就走过一个威权时代刚前面一个委员征询我我就是在国民党时代有有有刚才也听你就是回忆了回忆了一下许多年前的历史但我觉得说文化还是回到文化主体比较好我想在教育文化委员会的这些委员们或许大家有不一样的看法有些人很喜欢谈意识形态但有很多人其实就是非常兢兢业业的在协助文化部 |
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怎麼樣的來把我們文化部的這個業務做好那我們也都非常支持文化部的預算但支持預算是一件事但監督預算的使用是一件事那我相信部長對於我們的監督也是非常樂於啊然後跟我們不管是執政或在野的委員大家來密切的配合嘛好 那我想我們就回到今天本時要質詢的正題我們看到今天大家也都在談這個公事我請教一下部長按照公事法 |
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公事董事的任期多久你不清楚我三年對三年喔為什麼要有任期啊為什麼要有任期啊按照公事法任期滿了之後這些董事跟監事可以繼續到下一期 |
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好像是這樣子但是為什麼要制定一個任期呢就是怕其實也沒有為什麼沒有為什麼想制定就制定不想制定就不要制定想一旬就一旬不想一旬就不要一旬因為辦法上好像沒有規定一定要換部長我想我跟您講一下 |
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这回去以后你可以再看一下我们规定要三年改选其实恐怕是我们也希望这个董事还是要有一个任期那可以保持我们公司的一个独立性那同时我们定期的接受这个审查跟更换那我们也可以落实对公司营运的相关的监督这一些大概都是有任期我们希望达到的一个作用所以因此 |
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這個任期到了我們按照這個公示法也就是今天你都有提到的在屆滿前的這個六個月我們就要開始把這個作業把它完成但現在已經就是delay了將近十個月的時間那在 |
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这当中有从媒体本身有看到一个就是说您早上也有提到说这个选任困难的经验让很多专业人士却不满早上我有听您这样讲但是文化部当时也有出来表达说因为被征询的人不愿意因为选任而被羞辱这句话是您可以看一下这句话是媒体文化部的回应这也是您的说法吗 |
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這話是我說的沒有錯那請問一下是誰羞辱了這些被徵詢的人怎麼被羞辱了你這個用詞本身要提醒你是非常的重我一定要舉個例子就是我一再覺得公共媒體 |
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是一個要非常被尊敬的一個公管集團每一個董事部長我今天時間有限啦要尊敬這件事情不用再講我們都知道要尊敬嘛那你說他們是因為被羞辱所以呢多婉拒那請問一下他們曾經怎樣被羞辱可能怎樣會被羞辱 |
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一份工作他沒有任何好處看到前面的前面的人你這樣回答就是在消耗我的時間啦就你這句話你既然今天也說了說因為他們會被羞辱所以他們被婉拒那這個很嚴重我想請教一下你認為啊這些審查委員會怎麼羞辱他們我不曉得那你既然不曉得你怎麼可以說是因為會怕羞辱呢可是過去的經驗中過去的經驗有兩次都是一個羞辱了 |
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有兩次是一千天然後有一次是四十九個人刷掉三十個人好 來 部長本席要跟您說嚴格審查跟被羞辱是兩件截然不同的事情我還要提醒你你今天下這個結論太重了他的地位都蠻高的還是會被刷掉喔 |
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真你也不能这样讲啊因为他地位很高所以提出来就一定要提出来连审查都不能审查当然可以审但是他本身会对嘛所以请您具体讲一下嘛羞辱是怎样羞辱嘛什么叫做羞辱就是他没资格做嘛什么你没资格做董事嘛OK所以你现在的意思是说提出来以后如果审查委员认为他没有资格这就是一种羞辱那以后你提出来就不需要审查委员啦 |
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就不用審查了嘛 只要一審查就是羞辱按照你的說法所以過程中非常辛苦就是他們都跟我這樣講為什麼我要被你提名之後被抓掉部長我想喔這個我可能要仔細跟你溝通一下我想你也非常了解喔在我們過去的相處當中你知道我是一個非常理性也非常尊重文化部的人但是呢今天你說這個不願意被選任是因為被羞辱是您的說法喔我非常不以為然 不能接受喔只因為提出一個人選 |
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然後大家有審查審查時間比較久一點或者甚至於審查界我認為不是認你就認為這是一個羞辱這我們不能接受你願意收回這樣的話嗎我把羞辱兩個字修改成 |
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痛苦因為任何一個人被我們選中的人他都在他那個領域中幾乎是頂尖的人然後聽大家七嘴八舌把他刷掉沒有面子你願意把這個羞辱改成痛苦我把羞辱改成痛苦好了但真的不能講羞辱喔如果去審查就是羞辱本席跟你講啦搞不好大家還都不願意來做這個審查委員了 |
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因為只要一審查這個人被扣上一個盜帽子說你去羞辱人家這不好啦 部長好 接下來呢你剛剛提了很多就是說現在有這麼多的原因喔但是呢終究我們還是要把人權提出來嘛那你怎麼解決這個問題呢 |
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其實齁 我跟委員報告我們這個 這個徵選過程是在那個時間到了前半年就開始選我知道 我知道 背景不用再講你怎麼解決這個問題現在我解決啊還是行政院不提你就也沒辦法呀這個 |
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其实这个名单应该是行政院提了之后我都知道那我们是属于作业机构所以就是如果行政院不提你也束手无策我们每一个名单都跟行政院很仔细的讨论过这样子吧部长我请教你一下现在到底有几个人选是已经确认的还差几个人选我可以跟委员报告差不多只差一个了 |
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只差一個但很好啊那如果只差一個那就麻煩部長吹一吹吧好不好趕快去吹一下跟行政院溝通一下就只差一個人選大家再努力一下好不好這可以做得到嗎我會努力好謝謝你的努力喔那最後我想再跟你提一下文化禮金喔我們看到這個文化禮金的文化 |
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也算是我们文化部一个蛮有成果的一个政策但是呢我们的领取率始终都没有办法往上提升112年89%113年86%那么到现在为止大概84%真的是比较低那我们要去思考一下怎么样把它往上冲高那第二个呢我们今年开始事办13到15岁每人发放600块但是到目前为止领取率大概只有63%这非常的低啊可不可以简单说明一下 |
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當初我們要把這個年齡降到13到15歲的時候本來就會有很多人提出說他們知不知道他可以領第二個他們如何領那後來我們還是往下做的原因是我一直覺得這個文化這個東西往下降 對所以後來您看到的不是啊 我只是要問您說只有63.5%為什麼啦 63.5%的確是跟16到22歲的比起來比較少 |
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但是我個人認為63.5表示說10個裡面有6個人知道了那其實對13到15歲國小生跟國中生我覺得這個成績我們可以再充斥最後兩個月而且我們最近也找到體育部一起努力來讓這個告知多一點人知道 |
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部長 所以我想前面的80幾%我們再努力一下63.5%好的政策 拜託喔想辦法跟教育部合作怎麼樣讓13到15歲呢 這領取率提高那最後一個喔那個不好意思30秒就好喔您剛剛提到說跟李遠部長有一個遠洋合作嘛 對不對 |
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對好但是呢這個遠洋合作是說如果10月31號以前我們宣布加碼文化這個文化幣跟這個動資券對不對也就是說你在11月30號之前你把這個文化幣跟動資券屬於你的權益你都把它消費完了我們鼓勵消費嘛那文化部加碼200塊的文化幣 |
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然后呢这个体育部可能就是一百块动资券嘛那部长我想请教一下我们以目前现在看来将近有一百六十二万人领取了文化币如果我们都符合的话那这个增加的这个两百块钱乘起来本席帮你算一下要三点二十亿猜约哪里来 |
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沒有那麼多啦沒有到三點多你認為大家都不會用完一半不是我們大概估算過大概六七千萬六七千萬所以你認為會用完的人這麼少也不是那是什麼其實已經用完用完的人蠻多的但是剩下一些我們想 |
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吃雞他在11月底用完了來來來 這個我不要讓那個召委為難部長 你這個數學你有問題啊一回又說大家都用完了那一回又說只會有六七千萬的預算但六七千萬乘回去就是都沒用完啊所以你這個數學大有問題喔所以我要提醒您說如果我們希望這樣鼓勵他們也就是希望他們最好都能用完那如果都能用完的情況之下你裁員在哪裡會後給本席一個說明好嗎是 沒問題好 謝謝 |
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