| IVOD_ID |
165018 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165018 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-05T09:38:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-05T09:49:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0bb7d6ea348ff1d2311e7bf0b0e152a4e93813deec41dbca462d9096eb7c9b67de89be31bb10dba25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳秉叡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:38:24 - 09:49:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：審查「使用牌照稅法」29案：（僅詢答）
一、行政院函請審議、本院委員邱鎮軍等19人、委員陳超明等18人、委員羅明才等20人、委員廖偉翔等19人、委員楊瓊瓔等27人、委員許宇甄等22人、委員邱若華等17人、委員林俊憲等26人、委員王鴻薇等19人、委員李彥秀等16人、委員蘇清泉等18人、委員徐欣瑩等24人、委員郭昱晴等19人、委員王美惠等19人、委員李坤城等18人、委員羅廷瑋等17人、委員郭國文等18人、委員吳沛憶等17人、委員葛如鈞等16人、委員沈發惠等17人、委員林思銘等22人、委員賴士葆等25人、委員黃健豪等20人分別擬具「使用牌照稅法第五條條文修正草案」等24案。【後2案如經院會復議，本次會議不予審查】
二、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「使用牌照稅法第五條及第七條條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員廖先翔等17人擬具「使用牌照稅法第五條及第三十八條條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員牛煦庭等17人、委員鍾佳濱等16人分別擬具「使用牌照稅法第七條條文修正草案」等2案。【後1案如經院會復議，本次會議不予審查】
五、本院委員廖偉翔等17人擬具「使用牌照稅法第七條及第三十八條條文修正草案」案。
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莊部長委員好 |
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不讓找今天的使用牌照稅關於電動車的部分基本上大家幾乎都沒有什麼意義因為要配合的這個政策而且要本來就是檢討其他的相關的領域都已經到119年的12月底了所以這個大家應該都不會有什麼意義比較另外的就是有個別的提案關於身障者 |
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當然身障者保護身心障礙者是我們照顧社會弱勢的一個好意但是它裡面有提到說這個同一戶籍然後裡面的這個親屬或是兩親等裡面的親屬那就延免牌照稅這個目的是要讓身心障礙者獲得保護如果這樣修正會你會不會覺得這樣擴大到了身心障礙者的家屬 |
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一同居住的這些親屬都會變成免稅的這個那這樣會不會太寬 |
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是的 確實如委員所說的我覺得這個身心障礙者使用或者是所有的所擁有的車輛可以使用牌照稅的免徵這個部分就是為了要保護身心障礙者他可以降低他的一些稅負的一個負擔那因此在現行的法律裡面呢其實已經有相關的規範包含他如果他有身心障礙的手冊然後他也有駕照的話 |
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那麼也是他的車輛那他就這個部分就可以免徵但是如果說他自己沒有辦法擁有駕照但他裡面同一個戶籍二親等以內的親屬所有那這個車輛也是供我們聲音障礙者朋友使用的話那就可以免徵這個目的真正是讓這個聲音障礙者能夠用而不是說讓他的親屬 |
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可以免徵牌照稅 目的是讓他所有讓他擁有的或他真正給他使用的那你在同一個戶籍二親等裡面是真的跟他比較有親近的關係而且有照顧一個事實所以這個情況下是來做那如何基徵租稅也是有成本的那是不是符合這個要件基徵是稅捐處呢還是國稅局 |
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這個是地方稅因此有地方的稅捐基金機關來徵客證那稅捐基金機關有辦法落實去查核是不是真的有在那邊居住嗎我如果只是戶籍放在這裡然後事實上也沒有跟身心障礙者一起居住就算是兩親等內的親屬其實也不符合這個規定嘛 |
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因為你的目的 你剛剛講立法的意思是要照顧身心障礙者啊不是要照顧身心障礙者的親屬嘛那假設他戶籍跟身心障礙者放在一起那他屬然符合清等的規定那他名下的這些汽車是不是車輛也免這個牌照稅嗎這個不符合立法的意思所以必須核實嘛 對不對 |
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這個部分我想因為在核實上我們其實這樣的一個相關委員的建議我們有請地方政府表達意見基本上認為在這個核實上尤其是要有同居適時這個部分比較困難因此就法條才規定是以同一戶籍因為這樣在認定上會比較簡便然後戶籍一般來說都是要經過登記所以就是會出現漏洞因為常常媒體的批評 |
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事實上那輛車是身心障礙者的兩親等內的親屬 |
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所有不是身心傷害者在用啊然後他只是戶籍放在一起而已啊那這跟立法一直其實是不符合的啦但是事實上這也是剛剛我講到另外一個矛盾的問題就是因為你的稅捐基金也是有成本如果你要每一個每一台車都去認定都要去看看他是不是有同居的事實這會增加非常多的勞費啦所以現在採用這樣的狀況那如果這樣子再無限擴大的話我是覺得 |
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我個人認為這樣子的話將來出現這樣這個有漏洞的狀況會更多會被更批評的更厲害是的而且我跟你講批評不會批評稅券寄生處大家都想到說這使用牌照稅是中央立法然後都怪到你頭上來是不是會有這樣的狀況會有變成你要被黑鍋所以這個你要慎重思考 |
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好第二個我要問你我上次在總諮詢的時候問那個跨境電商落地的狀況院長有答應要盡快讓淘寶啊拼多多啊這個必須要在台灣裡面要落地不一定是他本身啦他設立的公司來台灣落地這樣才能夠做電商你們確定有多久嗎 |
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沒有錯如同委員所說的就是境外電商來台目前因為沒有開放中資來台經營電商所以他沒有做落地的登記那這個部分究竟要怎麼樣處理涉及到速發部以及經濟部的相關的登記的規定因此這個部分已經折成速發部會同相關部會那當然經濟部以及我們財政部也一起會參與這個部分目前 |
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這個部分是不是請我們關務署做一個補充說明包委員據我了解應該是前天院長有找訴發部等等的相關機關去開會我覺得喔經濟部的那個回答我實在是頭很大這個把頭埋進沙子裡面沒有看到然後就逃避問題然後就當問題不存在你有在台灣落地的像 |
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這一些蝦皮coupon我現在光談消費者保護的部分如果我收到加害的商品我還可以跟他們求償然後經濟部的講法說因為中國電商不能在台灣經營所以沒有落地的問題沒有落地的問題問題它一直在賣啊那除非你學教育部說把那個TikTok |
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那個網域把它封掉不然每一個台灣人在上上電商的網站的時候都可以看得到拼多多廣告還做那麼大每天做鋪天蓋地的廣告然後掏寶結果每一個月買幾萬件幾十萬件的這個包裹再寄進來然後說不用登錄那反而守法的要負擔更多的成本那不守法的就完全放任他不管這個態度是不對的喔 |
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卓院長還有部長你也在場你答應我的事情要趕快去進行啊這個是為了保護台灣的消費者啊我們的消費者萬一買到對自己有加害的商品我還有一個地方可以求償啊我還可以對落地公司而且我請你財政部去開會的時候你要主張我的講法要有適當的資本額他不是拿一個百萬台幣在台灣落個地 |
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那是不夠的他賣多少商品你對他落地的這個公司要求的這個資本額要有一定的保障在我來看沒有十一二十一是絕對絕對不夠的因為他每一年賣的商品這麼多而且那個加害商品如果一來是整批的你們看到最近法國就出了一個例子法國警告他他就立刻去賣那個 |
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那個什麼未成年的那個小孩子那個什麼情趣用品那個形象的情趣用品然後就被法國警告這中國的電商就他當然嘴巴上都很會講說我趕快下架 |
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今年到現在為止應該有850件的豬肉製品了 |
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850件嘛 是 他不是 那是被你查獲的喔如果沒有查獲的還更多喔因為你查獲 你不可能百分之百查獲嘛你很努力我知道 但是你也不可能百分之百查獲那每一次跟他講 講官話說我們一定嚴格禁止這個E區的肉品賣到台灣去我們會跟他下架 也沒有用啊所以如果不來落地 要學這個 |
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對TikTok這樣子把他的網軍給封了讓台灣的消費者看不到拼多多看不到淘寶自然就不能購買你可不可以同意這樣的說法你在開會的時候你要做這樣的主張啊速發部在開會的時候這個技術都已經成熟了教育部都做得到了速發部跟財政部沒有道理做不到啊對不對 |
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這個部分行政院有要求促發部這個部分包含廣告的推播這個不斷的一直推播廣告但是他又有不合法的情況所以這個部分部會會聯合起來一起來做規範我跟你講你們如果沒有拿出事實作為因為他在境外他在中國他根本完全不怕啦你就把那個網域給封了之後他急於要打開這網域就換他來跟你談 |
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你沒有這樣做是他站在優勢你站在被動他理都不理你你只有學教育部這個方法把他封了之後他發現說你怎麼都沒有訂單他了解問題之後他趕快來跟你談到底該怎麼做所以既然部長 |
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既然署長有講說已經有要求書包括趕快開會我第一個要求趕快開會第二個我的主張你在會中你要講說至少要幫我轉達到因為我沒有資格去參加那個會議是你們部長之間的會議你們部會之間的會議是要轉達我的意見你要站在主動的立場而不是被動的去因應 |
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你要主動的做之後他才會急著要來趕快跟你談111又是這個什麼光棍節又是要開始大量賣貨物每年都說賣幾百億來你們現在111如果這樣子讓他沒有辦法不落地然後賣這些商品賣幾百億喔這個社會大眾又會很有意見加油喔 謝謝好 委員的意見我們會表達好 謝謝吳秉瑞委員接下來請賴世保委員質詢 |