| IVOD_ID |
165002 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/165002 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-22-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-05T09:13:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-05T09:23:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0bb7d6ea348ff1d2102f99fafb9a7b1a367e5b5a2f2752d0e98bf0b6cf7b51045a7e32037ed90a385ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林沛祥 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:13:43 - 09:23:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請文化部部長李遠列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【11月5日及6日兩天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝主席 有請李部長請部長 |
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林佩霞委員你好部長早有關中國國民黨黨團我們在10月30號的時候針對公廣集團董事提名召開過記者會那想請問一下就是說目前董監事名單何時提出目前進度如何 |
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好 關於這一點事情跟委員報告按照規定我們在董建市到期的前半年就要啟動這個甄選的計畫那我們文化部的確按照規定在半年前去年11月就啟動了這個報告然後啟動這個整個作業調查在調查過程中 |
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我在這邊抱歉就的確是我們在過程中非常不順利因為這次是第一次審查委員從3%降到2%照理說應該更簡單但是因為之前的有一些公共電視選拔這個委員的過程中非常的不順利而且成為一個新聞例如 |
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例如有兩屆的時間是審查幾乎到一千天也就是有兩屆的委員審查到一千天接近一千天還有一屆委員提名了四十九人刪掉三十個人像這樣的新聞造成我在甄選的過程中非常不順利我舉個例子 |
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其中有一個我徵詢的委員他告訴我說我會耽誤你們的選拔因為我可能過去很多言論得罪了誰那這是其中一個其中一個意見於是我在徵詢過程中 |
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遇到了很多的困難因為公共電視是一個大家都非常重視的公共媒體當我們選委員的時候必須照顧到族群還有各種文化還有性別還有專業我也必須老實講 |
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外界就是質疑因為老實說我們從今年1月就已經公布了15位審查委員的名單那你也剛剛自己講了公示法也行修法降低同意門檻理論上應該更順暢但是還是零提名 |
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这样外界就开始在质疑某个程度上已经到现在已经拖了一年的之后外界常常质疑说这就是充满了政治盘算是不是要意图让现任的董监事无限连任继续掌控公网集团呢这一点我跟委员解释一下这一点绝对不会是政治盘算的原因是原来的每一个 |
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委員也是經過前一次的評選非常嚴格的評選也挑出來非常專業的董監事這個董監事的過程按照規定時間其實很有限而且這問題大家都很關心我提出一個解決方案您知道說中選會最近很多委員任期都滿了 |
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那我们是不是可以比照中选会由行政院发函给各党团来推荐公事的董监事人选呢因为必须这样讲现在公事已经超过已经快超过一年了你刚才讲说征询的征询了将近三年那这样下去总不是个办法那如果说中选会可以这样做的话是否我们在公事集团的人事上面可以比照有一个目前有个先例出来我想 |
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立法院提出来的人选应该不会被立法院强力攻击吧对吧如果说你刚刚讲就是说有很多考量有很多不同的想法那老实说我们就应该把它变成说各党团来推荐各党团都有知道的文化人也是可以希望而且由各党团推荐反而更能够展现所谓的公平性不是吗 |
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委員的建議我再解釋一下按照規定是由行政院提出一個名單然後立法院黨團派人他負責審議那名單是由行政院提出這就是我們覺得很頭痛的地方因為行政院這樣做法其實讓一般的民眾會讓尤其是讓關心的學者們會覺得這根本在執法玩法亂法嘛 |
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因為拖了這麼久如果說今天這個案子沒有拖了這麼久的話本席不會在這邊特地拿出來談而且部長你也知道第七屆董監事延宕的也是將近快三年967天的治理亂象那時候這個延宕導致說公視新聞的資料無端被刪除華視新聞內容連續出包甚至我們的媒體公信力嚴重流失最後面被監察院認證成行政怠惰 |
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那文化部現在要重蹈覆轍嗎這樣對於我們國家是好嗎對於整個執政團隊是好嗎我認為不是耶所以提早趕快把這個人選拿出來這是很重要的一塊因為拖太久了我想我今天在這邊質詢我是純粹善意去了解這個狀況如果是別人來這邊質詢的話恐怕就是不是這樣講但是如果你們不能夠盡快的提出一個好總監事人選或許 |
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或许依照现在中选例提出来的解决方式也不是唯一一个好方法毕竟来讲公示这边已经延宕太久延宕到现在已经变成国家议题的时候这绝对不是公示之福也绝对不是整个实证团结之福不是吗 |
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是委员讲得非常对公司从1998年成立到现在我觉得它是一个在很少的预算下努力发展的一个公共媒体但是它因为董建师的甄选当初定出这样一个审议办法之后刚刚我跟委员报告有两次是1000天都选不出来 |
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可是行政院已經把名單提出來了那什麼時候行政院給我們現在這個名單的因為從上個禮拜我們開記者會到現在又快過了一個禮拜那這個案子其實大家都很關注所以為什麼會把這件事特地第一個我今天第一個質詢就拿出來談因為這東西不能再等下去不管是你們心中有什麼樣的人選總是出來要給大家檢視你不能是說現在看起來大家沒有注意到就不去做這樣其實是不好的 |
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對整個國家治理對整個媒體治理是不對的我覺得部長你認同這句話吧我認同而且我道歉因為照理說這個聽起來是有點時間上拉的真的很長甚至於你會覺得這個事情有點荒謬是嗎 |
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但是我覺得所有的花沒有來自前面累積的太長一段大家對這個選拔過程非常沒有信心像我打電話親自去拜訪很多委員我幾乎都沒有成功我也試著從原來的一些上一任的委員中也一直去尋找拜訪 |
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你拖得越久这种怀疑就越来越多我必须直接讲我现在是直接讲你拖得越久怀疑越来越多甚至外界有人讲说你是政治人民就是因为个人喜好人民你也听说过这样的讲法那其实这个事情如果越拖越久对大家都不好 |
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公視需要一個新的總監事名單那社會大眾需要看到文化部行政院有實質上的作為但是如果沒有實質上的作為的時候就會讓人家異想紛紛啊就會讓大家覺得說公視到底裡面有什麼黑箱就算說現在部長在這邊是特地說 |
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为了这个延宕我很抱歉但是大家可能期待的不只是个道歉而是个真正我们大家可以认可的公示名单这点很重要这点不分党派都很重要因为这是公示公示一般来讲是我们认为最有公信力的媒体但是这一段下来变成是他公信力因为这样的人事的延宕而去受损的时候这个不是对不起部长不是说道歉不对道歉不是没有价值但是大家会觉得说这不够啊是吧 |
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所以本席在这边会第一个就是希望说我们公示名单赶快出来之外第二个我真的认为是说中选会既然有行政院发函给各党团来推荐公示的总监事名单那我觉得文化部可以审慎考虑一下这样的作为或许这样能够快速的解决我们现在遇到的困境您说是吗因为这个名单是由行政院提出我们是 |
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作業單位可能您要試著去說服行政院不然的話這樣下去風暴已經開始了這風暴不會因為說一時沒有看到就停下來風暴只會越來越大您跟文化部甚至行政院受到責難只會越來越多所以本席在這邊談題出來講麻煩董監事人事名單盡快決定下來而且讓大家能夠去公審好不好 |
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是 我尽快为提出一个名单是大家都可以接受的一个大家都觉得很专业的一个名单其实我们已经努力到最后关头大概剩下一两个所以这件事情还差两个我没有什么理由拖因为你怎么样想都是它不是一个多么让人家想要争取的位置因为它是没有薪水然后只有责任没有好处所以大家一直觉得它是黑箱其实没什么道理它不是一个好像是一个 |
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很肥的植物大家要搶而且他也不是一個黑手因為政府的手也沒有伸進去這點都是外面誤會了我們比較期待就事論事公視的董監事名單現在全國都在看那我們立法院每個委員都在看我們期待說在這方面來講行政院文化部速度可以快一點早點名單出來讓我們公審好 謝謝好 我盡快 謝謝 |
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謝謝林沛翔委員質詢 部長請回座我們現在現場的委員人數有達到一決人數我們先來確定一下 |