| IVOD_ID |
164947 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164947 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-03T09:44:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-03T09:55:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/64fc785e736c17e94611d212bbba58abae8e6000a78732438472f51db95f922717f2b9852dd2beff5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
魯明哲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:44:44 - 09:55:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：審查委員蔡其昌等18人及委員李昆澤等20人分別擬具「氣象法部分條文修正草案」案。
【本日會議僅進行詢答】【11月3日及5日二天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝主席 有請我們林次長 請林次長區上署呂署長 請署長次長 委員長 委員長 |
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這個署長你是從基層起來的我們看到你從基層做起到我們這個預報中心的這個好像是做過主任然後接到副署長現在署長可以講說資歷完整那這種資歷完整我覺得在這個時間裡面我是覺得是很不錯的你要知道基層的一個辛苦你們現在的重責大任你要站在第一線除了完成上級國人所期待所有的業務之外你這些同仁 |
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他的配置他的預算到底如何你要代表他們去發言那當然我們這個很多事情在你們內部你比我還清楚嘛但是很多最後媒體在報導的你們也都看到了氣象局辛酸辛酸深隔氣象署人力未增預報員還被挖角 |
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然後再來第二則我們看到了地震策劃員超血汗的兩個人輪班嘛你們後面你們那個好像吳主任也說一個什麼公務人員一個約聘僱兩個就是苦幹實幹可是我覺得很奇怪我先問一下這個次長你現在既然代表部長來代表交通部來你知道嗎兩年半前大約112年的5月16號 |
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這個交通部基本上雙喜臨門 張燈結彩一下子生了兩個屬包括我們氣象局變氣象屬我們觀光局變觀光屬那真不得了可是真的是兩樣情 |
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我們看到當年氣象署在升格的時候升格就已經確定隔年的預算實際就增加了超過10億它的人編制也增加了超過百人這個部分是對於觀光署 抱歉觀光署的部分那當然我們看到升格了民眾的期待結果兩年之後我們現在每一年在想兵強馬壯 |
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人力眾多的觀光署結果看到他的績效持續的看不到底我們覺得很無奈另外一方面看到了我們講真的在我看起來很盡責在第一線很專業處理事情的我們的氣象署 |
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怎麼搞得爹不疼娘不愛呢所以我覺得署長啊你真的在要利用所有的機會啊因為你們現在沒辦法極端氣候氣候的一個變化已經是變一個顯學了你們已經不是幕後的單位你們是很多優於甚至政府要做政策之前需要資訊的前沿單位啊 |
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你們是在第一線對抗天候預測的不管是防災救災也是第一線還有企業決策更是人民日常生活所以我想次長你代表交通部講一下好不好就是說節制我們剛剛出來再問明天的預算到底多了幾個元額 |
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沒有你們為什麼要這樣的你們覺得把生氣象署就是署長副署長升格薪水增加整個隊員然後就是這樣的然後要業務量增加然後人跑得比快我想市長你要不要代表部裡面說一下 |
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可不可以在這個把它競速在需要的一個部門那媒體報導這麼多你們不能事不關己你說一下是跟委員報告確實每個單位如果他有人力未及或是哪個領域因為氣象跟很多行業都一樣他的專業並不是只有單一預報或是他還有很多資源部門 |
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那譬如說地震撤報他還有一些這個所謂的警政策警的部分所以這一類的不同的專業可能都得要氣象署評估盤點以後很快的提出來那據剛剛署長報告說明年其實是有增加10%有10%的人力來提升的明年增加幾個人經費10%人力 |
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人力沒有人力沒有人力沒有增加那你在講什麼啦跟委員報告人力的部分其實我們都得要依照政府的程序來跟總書生交通部理事長很清楚啦你們這邊不需要增加嘛你們都沒有提報嘛署長你為什麼不提報 |
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我跟你講吼 我們立法委員吼 包括我跟你講昆澤超委都一樣因為這個東西是太不公平了你要考慮不光是你對不對 你是一人出來的你要考慮到這些同仁跟在基層的第一線在那山上 玉山上的這些同仁吼 |
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你們不考慮他嗎我跟你講 現在的一個狀況第一個 外界的競爭外界很多氣象公司 氣象業轉了哇 薪資很高大家不想啊 不如歸去啊 對不對第二個 在我們交通部裡面的水平比較 |
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這也不對啊 兩個同時間生屬的 對不對一個備受雙親疼愛一個是爹不疼娘不愛好啦 我想我講到這樣我覺得太離譜了 但是屬裡面我希望你回去三個月以內三個月以內 針對你的編制不足的部分編制不足的部分 |
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第二個已經有編制 人力不足的部分我覺得你都應該要很認真的去做一個處理署長有沒有問題謝謝委員 我們進促處理好的 我們整個看你整個氣象署的一個人力的缺口當然署內的話大概我覺得署內缺額率大概不到10% |
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8.6%一等撤報就兩個中心吧地震跟這個氣象預報兩個中心他缺6.9%那二等撤報的機構總共有5站人數差距不大三等 |
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請參考那我們現在看到四等測報四等測報就是我們在我們玉山上阿里山 日月潭日月潭可能還好一點但是很多地方都是其實偏遠 南極的就很難爬到的或走到的地方但你這個的部分我是說真的如果說你已經生鼠了你沒有辦法用心知或者制度或者肌力的一些法則 |
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讓這些的越偏遠不是越倒楣越偏遠謝謝你你知道嗎這些偏遠的地方走路都走不到的地方卻是我們氣象部隊的前線極端氣候的接觸的第一線所以這個部分我想這個署長這邊的人力缺額要有什麼方法能夠盡速把它補足呢 |
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的確 如委員所說我們的四等站基本上都是高山離島的站那一般如果缺員的話補是比較不容易補的不過我們今年的高補考缺基本上能夠補上去的我們會補一批人到上面去去彌補在高山離島上面的一些聽懂了 上去撐一年就掉單位的他們通常會去適應一段時間不好意思 要請教一下那個玉山上的家籍比人家多多少錢啊 |
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大概一萬多塊一個月都一萬多塊那可能還是不太夠你們再調整一下好最後一個抱歉這個我相信召委也很關心我也很關心因為我們在預算審查大概有一兩年很多委員都有提到這個問題就是針對於南部海域地震海嘯這個海底的電纜這樣的一個監測系統 |
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我們都認為很重要我講之前陳組長也不但說明因為在東部地震帶已經建了700公里700公里的所以能夠比較快速為我們所有的這個國民爭取到 |
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5分鐘 10分鐘 15分鐘 20分鐘那我跟你講那太重要了那我就請教一下你到底發生什麼問題從110年那一年我剛好到立法院啊聽到你們講那真的是講一個非常好的未來結果4年之後再看到現在流標第12次是不是署長說明一下困難在哪裡啊 |
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跟委員報告在110年之後其實碰到了COVID之後的影響物料有點升高另外就是在我們第四期是在南海這一段嘛南海那段有一段時間其實情勢還蠻緊張的那再加上有一些潛在的公司它裡面有一些內部調整 |
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不過就今年來看就目前有一些潛在廠商目前有在談將來的可信性情況所以我們現在已經把修正計畫送到院裡面去了希望說這個計畫在明年能夠順利來執行好 因為我的想法是我相信你的專業但是專業有很多細節我們不見得為能夠懂到細節但是我們看到你的主要的計畫 |
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自己不斷在變的時候連三歲小孩子都可以知道你在做什麼你第一年跟我承諾的事項第二年說那個不用啦 |
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第二年承諾市長 那也可以改你告訴我說要建800公里 六個監測站才能夠完整去監控到能夠達到提前15分鐘 對不對你們說的嘛 第一年說的啊 大家給你錢了嘛結果後面飆不出去 變成四分之一200公里馬海賽 200公里三個監測站也可以 那就算了原本要節點式的 獨立的一個系統 |
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對於海洋科研比較重要現在變坎路式的然後現在坎路式現在變成兩者都可行我覺得你們當然這個除了你們自己本身氣象機的人員之外有很多的專家學者但是你一個決策一個這麼重要的這樣的海底電纜一個工程在主要的計畫上面能夠不斷的變化 |
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我是覺得你會讓我們留下一個問號今天耽誤大家時間謝謝謝謝魯明哲委員 |