| IVOD_ID |
164938 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164938 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-31 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-31T17:19:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-31T17:44:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:25:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ee73761948dc91d4c94176f702af270b248844316b57826689e52c843e65bafd508f01eb9e990b995ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許宇甄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
17:19:05 - 17:44:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-31T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。二、10月31日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、11月4日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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謝謝韓院長我們請卓文泰卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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學員好 院長好 院長我想請您先看一下這張稅入預算跟決算的一個比較表我們可以從這個表刻可以清楚的看到一個現象就是中央政府的稅入的這個決算數長期而且顯著的高於預算數 |
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也就是中央政府其實每年的收入都被刻意的低估所以從這幾年的這個預算數跟決算數的相比您可以看到平均都高出3300億到4400億大概最多可以到將近20%所以這應該不是偶然的誤差而是長期制度性的這個低估 |
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所以導致外界都沒有辦法準確的掌握這個國家財政的一個真相喔那這種做法呢就是可以製造出一種財政吃緊的一個假象讓政府有理由舉債啦或者是凍結部分的支出那又能夠在年度這個執行的之後用超徵或稅入高於預期的一個名義靈活的運用這些隱藏的收入所以請問院長造成政府稅入低估的原因是什麼 |
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那這樣的一個故意的低估這些預留的款項到底是要保留給哪些特定的項目呢報告委員 稅入的決算數會比稅入的預算數高就不是超增兩個字是我們的時增數超過我們的預算數請問一下這樣子長期的被低估的狀況在115年稅入我們在編訂的時候已經請財政部能夠 |
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横租过去的经验以及现在的经济的发展跟明年的预测已经大幅提高税入的一些115年度的这个税入的预算数其实比去年还低啊因为有两只有两兆8623亿啊第一是因为台化法的关系你挪出去的4000多亿才低的 |
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那加上這個部分的話您可以看一下我們現在看到的就是說其實過去這從110年到113年來看到的其實就是有低估的大概將近20%左右請問一下部長這是什麼原因跟委員報告我們的預算數在籌編到最後的執行完畢大概將近有兩年的時間這兩年的時間其實有許多變化的因素但是這個變化好像也太大了 |
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而且長期不是說偶爾一次那就是可能是財政部的低估的能力109年就沒有達到預算數109年的時候我現在是請教你110年到113年甚至到114年所以其實這個是會讓人家感受到就是說我們是刻意的去低估而造成我們沒有辦法好好的用這樣子一個財政的一個技術的一個會計技術來匡批我們立法院 |
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就會有這樣的一個狀況那當然我們再看一下下一張表格請院長再看一下 |
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在115年度的中央政府的總預算的稅入來圓別的一個編列情況喔就是您可以看一下稅客收入是預算數是2到4807億那紅色框框的部分呢就包含了所得稅、證交稅、關稅、貨物稅、營業稅加起來是2到4104億那請問一下703億跑到哪裡去了為什麼會出現這樣的落差請問院長 |
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你看喔 你說客收入是兩兆四千八百零七億可是你下面只有五個項目嘛然後所以加起來是兩兆四千一百零四億少了七百零三億請問怎麼會出現這樣的落差請院長回答 |
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計算的問題部長再說明可能連計算都計算錯吧一定是我們是合計數一定是各個稅務的相加呀對啊所以我現在加給你看啊結果看到只有兩兆4104億啊就少了703億啊請問是為什麼 |
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我們編的是內地稅是2兆4807億的稅客對啊 是啊那這你下面就是編了這幾個這個分項嘛那到底是為什麼會有這樣的隱匿稅入的一個預算呢是到底是什麼樣造成這樣的一個問題 |
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稅務裡面包含的有稅客收入我現在講的就是稅客收入稅客收入是兩兆四千八百零七億這個部分應該是全部的合計數可是這五項加起來只有兩兆四千一百零四億你的項目是不是涵蓋全部呢 |
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那為什麼會出現這樣 我們是在依據你們的這個中央政府稅務來源別的編列情形表喔 表三之二 您可以看得到所以我們現在看到的狀況就是那是所得稅 證交稅 關稅 貨物稅 營業稅 |
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我告訴你為什麼你知道嗎因為本來稅客收入是有九項你們只列了五項少了四項所以才會有這樣缺少的一個狀況所以這樣看起來你在編列預算的時候是不是有這種盈利這個收入的一個狀況那為什麼我們拿到的預算表是這樣咧 |
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我不知道您的預算表上當然是我們在預算書看過去哪裡拿到的所以可能請院長針對這部分因為我看到這樣的預算表的時候我就覺得不可能是計算錯嘛當然要不然我要去哪裡編就是說這個部分我覺得當在編列上因為事實上如果我想有在銀行服務的人都知道少一塊錢都不能下班都不能都不能說自己拿一塊錢出來補 |
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更何況是少那麼多錢所以這也很明顯的隱匿的一個狀況我們真的是有九項我剛剛就跟您講了應該有九項可是你列了五項那到底是什麼樣的原因我們再來看看 |
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我們再來看看下一個就是我們有把115年度的稅務預算跟113年度的稅務決算進行比較因為114年度還沒出來所以為什麼我也拿這兩年比較是因為114年度的經濟成長率預估有5%115年度目前你們也預估有2.8%所以兩邊加起來可能會有7.8%的一個成長率理論上經濟成長了 |
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那應該是我們的這個稅入應該會同步提高那所以說呢差了7.8億可是我們兩個一比較呢你可以看到目前在115年度的總預算當中有9個項目刻意被低估你可以看到這9個項目 |
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就是移政稅低估36億 關稅短估140億貨物稅短估367億 證交稅短估380億證交稅短估25億 罰款及賠償收入短估80億規費收入短估18億 財政收入短估104億營業營餘跟收入短估164億 其他收入短估260億整個加起來的預估短估1574億 |
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那請問一下在這個部分我們其實這種分箱低估收入的這種方式會讓我們整個的這個整體的財政規模會被人為的縮小也是對我們這個財政紀律的一個扭曲所以預算應該要實際反映國家的一個真實的狀況而不是刻意營造這種好像財政吃緊的一個狀況那請問一下短估的這一千照理說你經濟成長了7.8%不可能還減少1574億 |
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所以這個短估的狀況到底是為什麼這樣看起來會讓我們覺得說好像是可以合理化的舉債或壓縮薪資甚至就是讓我們地方的補助變少那請問一下這樣子的一個狀況是為什麼 |
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請部長說明當初我們這邊的時候我們逐項都有經過跟部長的討論跟比對那請部長詳細說明對 跟委員報告各個稅務我們都有不同的一個計算的基礎那也要看往年的一個收入情形還有要扣除大額特殊案件譬如說像疑政稅的話如果那一年有大額的計算所以這個要按 |
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平常的來算我是想請教院長就是說照理說114 115年他經濟成長是應該是7你們預估7.8%但是呢我們的這個你們現在預估的稅率反而反而減少而且低估了這就1000光這幾項9項就低估了1574億了所以這到底是什麼樣的原因 |
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沒有到那麼多我們的稅務沒有稅少到這麼少啊而且我們的中手稅是增加的除了扣掉那個才那個才化法扣除以外整合是增加的對 扣除才化我沒有加到這個部分啊那是在營業稅的部分嘛3544億現在變296億我也沒有講這個部分啊我現在指的是說你稅客收入是兩兆 |
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預算數是2到8623億那針對這部分你就是短估了這些項目短估1574億所以說如果有了這1574億不管是軍人加薪的300億元或者是警消退休金額的這個退休金的這個大概抓50億元還有地方的一些補助其實有這1574億都可以做到啊 |
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跟委員報告沒有所謂的短估那各個數據怎麼估算出來我們可以逐項跟委員做詳細的說明院長我想是不是應該要把一個我們這樣子的稅務預測的模型而且把短估的部分補正在預算當中因為不合理啦就是我的明明經濟成長這兩年加起來是增加了7.8%可是我的預算居然會減少1500多億這是非常不合理的 |
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所以說是不是可以請院長能夠立即檢討我們115年度的這樣子的一個稅入預測的一個模型然後把短估補正於預算中委員如果從我們送的預算書上面來看到有這樣的數字的變化心中會有說疑慮那是難免所以也希望我們未來在審查預算的過程當中能夠讓財政部跟其他部合理的充分的跟委員做說明 |
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這部分我也要拜託院長未來如果有像這樣子的稅務預算跟決算的差距超過3%的話是不是能夠就提出一個差異說明報告送到立法院來讓我們在審預算的時候不會有這麼多的疑慮 |
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謝謝委員 這個提議我覺得應該很好好 謝謝院長所以我想這一個部分其實我們要的是整體的稅務能夠如實真實的編列在預算當中讓我們在立法院可以好好的來審查而不是用這樣的一個方式讓我們覺得看到預算社的時候嚇一跳短估那麼多然後告訴我們幫軍人加薪300億沒錢幫警消的50億沒錢其實你只要把短估的估回來是有辦法做到的 |
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這部分再請院長 能夠請台北部門當時主項都有討論不至於出現短估的現象那這個問題我們會在審查預算目前看起來就是這樣他都應該是有過分析跟預估的所以將來在審查預算會充分向委員報告 |
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來做這個質詢其實我做了很多的準備所以也把這列出來也跟您詳細的分析所以我相信剛剛講的這個應該我覺得在這個方面有很大的一個問題所以如果真的隱匿這樣子的話來欺騙立法院的話我們省這個預算就沒有什麼意義了不會欺騙立法院對那所以說請 |
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請院長針對這個部分一定要審慎的嚴格的來去做一個這樣的一個把關我們會尊重剛剛委員那樣的提議未來做強化強力的說明謝謝那另外呢我們下一個議題是我們可以看到就是其實在2021年CNN在講說我們台灣是行人地獄的時候我們其實我相信大家都想要做這樣的一個 |
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都想做這樣一個改善可是今年在8月31的時候德國媒體又出現了這樣一篇報導他說台灣每年因為交通事故死傷的人數超過美國911的恐攻的死亡總數所以也提醒外國的遊客來台灣的時候要三思 |
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但這是非常沉重而且非常羞辱的一個國際評價那我也知道我們想要改善這樣的一個狀況所以呢行政院有核定了一個永續提升人行安全計畫400億那這400億呢其中在這個公務局有140億那在國土署有260億總共是這樣那我可以請這個院長看一下嗎他的經費分配數您看一下 |
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在交通部負責140億前三年只編列38億剩下超過102億大概是超過七成全部集中在最後一年國土署在前三年只編列100億剩下159億在最後一年編列大概也超過六成 |
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那我想請教一下行人安全計劃有六七成的預算是在最後一年才執行請問這樣子的一個預算分配合理嗎?院長請您先回答部長先說明一下我們的逐年計劃好跟委員報告好院長我先請教您針對我剛講的這樣在最後一年編列了六跟七成的部分您覺得合理嗎?迎您這樣直接的 |
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是 我要分析他的逐年計畫因為一開始一定是比較少那中間一定有些規劃的過程那但最後一年是七成喔那就是說 請部長說明一下最後一年的執行力到底能不能把它完成起來報告員 其實我們交通部尤其公路局他們在執行的那個面向都超過這些預算啦我們有一些是用自己的公路局裡面的預算下去做 |
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所以其實已經超過這個數額那最後一年確實就像院長剛剛所說的一開始的計畫會比較慢那後面我們會逐步來加強那有一些像內政部的部分等一下應該部長也會講跟地方政府的合作也要看地方政府申請的狀況對 但是您的這種編列的方式在最後一年七成耶 |
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一般我們在做這樣的一個連續性的計畫不可能在最後一年編列七成的預算而且請跟院長看一下這個數字我可能要回去再查核一下因為實際上我記得明年很像不只是這個數額前幾年執行的沒有這麼少跟委員報告一下其實我們跟地方政府的合作都非常的好那地方政府如果送上來之後我們需要有時間去做規劃跟考核那請問一下部長這個數字正不正確你們前三年是編列37億對不對 |
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有一点我需要再做确认院长其实有这样子的一个编列的方式只会让我们合理的怀疑第一个是不是行政效率太差所以都要集中在最后一年要不然就是116年是什么时间你知道吗就是总统大选的前一年 |
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所以讓人也合理的懷疑是不是要用在總統那裡的最後一年用這樣的方式來綁裝用這樣的錢來綁裝否則完全不合理啊我們大部分的預算編列在最後一年那請問是哪個天才想出來這樣子的一個方式來編這樣的預算您的懷疑我們會做合理的說明我請交通部內政部 |
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用這個數據跟委員做合理的說明我們地方政府確實需要有時間跟中央政府一起來合作這個跟綁裝不綁裝完全沒有關係那是不是可以在這邊請院長具體的承諾絕對不會用這筆錢來做政治綁裝不會 |
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那院長您今天具體承諾那我們就到時候來看看那當然這個部分我希望院長還有一個重要的問題我看到的這個部分就是這樣的一個感受為什麼會在最後一年那當然也請你們提出合理的說明 |
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然後另外就是我們現在看到的就是還有最近啊有很多地以前本來我們一些縣市政府都有在爭取這些人行道的一個改善的尤其是在學童在這個校園的附近最近呢大家不敢申請了你知道為什麼嗎院長知道嗎為什麼最近大家不敢申請不敢申請了為什麼 |
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因為是不是未來的錢回到地方去了不是是因為我們現在不管是中南部像我來自雲林縣雲林縣以前是五級的這個財力分級的縣市所以他只要自籌12%現在因為財化法的關係全部都變成一級了所以他現在要自籌80幾%你說怎麼做 |
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因為財化法就是把錢分給地方啊這樣你沒有辦法做啦為什麼他們就不會再來爭如果財化法把錢分給地方要中央負擔80%中央也沒有辦法做啊那你編列這400億要做什麼跟地方還是合作啊對嘛所以你就是要讓地方來申請嘛分擔的比例要調整其實我擔憂的是一個問題你知道嗎就是您看到的就是越窮的地方越沒有人行道越弱勢的孩子越危險為什麼因為本來財力五級的縣市 |
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他變成要變成一級的縣市所以他的要自籌八成多的一個他這個變化不是沒有原因的因為他有多比較多的統籌分配稅款他才會升級我現在是請教院長那請問你剛說要跟地方合作這400億那代表這400億不用那麼多囉 |
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可以砍掉一些囉所以我剛才只是要跟你們表達就是說因為這些比較窮的縣市它本來財力五級的縣市它就是因為有需要所以它才會用這樣的一個方式那如果我們現在把它回歸到說好它現在通常變一級的窮的還是窮啊 |
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那你說你真正有分配要給因為財化法分配給他們的數字真的有那麼多嗎因為你一般補助款你又拉回來啦所以於雲林縣來說其實我算過他今年度還少了28.3億一般補助款的部分中央地方全縣劃分的事情現在正由國發會還有政府院長 |
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那院長你就是說我們這筆情人的這個不需要四百億囉因為你都是地方自己處理就好啦原來的計畫是有那這跟地方怎麼去談合作未來可能用不同的所以我想告訴院長的是這個部分我覺得用才化法的這個把五級大家全部都變成一級對於本來五級的這個限制沒有第五級全部變成一級啊你說的可能是苗栗縣啊現在全部都是啊 |
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1151.152 |
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因為大家都變成正的啦全部都說你們因為財劃法之後都變成全部都變一級啊是不是請院長能夠我們可以把財劃法的分級表新的送給委員看那最後我再請教一下就請院長再把資料傳給登本辦然後再看一下就是這個有關 |
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我們面對中國大陸三無的船就是無船名無船舶證書無船級港的登記政府的處理態度是什麼就是我們面對中國大陸的三無船請問政府的處理態度是什麼船級的登記我們現在我們在講嘛中國大陸都一堆三無船來就忽然跑到我們的海域來啦有所謂的黑名單有黑名單我們會拒絕他禁止他進到我們的這個 |
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管轄範圍裡面那遇到三無船你們會不會強力取締如果他強力當然是進到海域來我們當然要強力取締你們會強力取締嗎好我現在來跟跟您探討一下就台灣沿岸最近有出現了這個一種也是三無的這個船就是波特船 |
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他只要裝上動力馬達就可以釣魚載客不用船舶檢查也不用進出港登記在任何岸邊都可以自由進出也不用裝設AIS然後在海上神出鬼沒這就是標準的三無船不但危險而且還有國安的一個問題 |
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那根據海委會113年3月因為他只統計到3月底啦我們可以看到這類的無牌照的小船的數量已經達到到113年3月就已經1442艘發生海難的事故也大概高達44件請問院長喔這種免牌照的小船到底歸誰管 |
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我們可以看到喔漁業捕撈算農業部休閒觀光算交通部國安管制算海委會運動發展算運動部請問一下院長你覺得這個這個波特船應該歸誰管 |
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這個最近海委會有增加的一些設備他們對這種小型船的查詢能力是增強的所以剛剛這裡是流布島你沒辦法查詢 因為他沒有裝AIS啊所以你根本沒有辦法查啊那這種波特船我相信這個可以停在哪裡你知道嗎沒辦法 |
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因為他就到處亂停他完全沒有任何的一個就是比如說管制啊或者是說任何的要求他就是他想他自己想要他想要有他就有他想要出港他就出廣他想要出去就出去有這樣的一個狀況我們來看一下一個影片好不好請院長看一下 |
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整個海都黃了啦看魚啦這樣啦看這樣釣多少啦 |
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我們剛剛好這影片可以聽一下我們剛剛看到的是滿滿的海上都是波特船在那邊釣魚好那結果看到滿滿的漁獲那你覺得他有沒有可能就是拿來販賣呢絕對有可能因為他根本沒有管理結果剛剛講的剛剛請院長請教的就是說這個到底應該由誰管院長可以先回答我嗎剛講的這個 |
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波特船應該由誰來管這樣看起來他的行為是一種新興的行業不只喔 很多年了不是新興的行業這可能不在你剛剛講的四個分類當中我們應該外部會來研究看看第一個基於國家的安全這已經研究很多年了國家的安全 海域的安全 走私這個已經 院長我今天會提就是因為這個一般的漁民一直反映這已經研究很多年了 |
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那院長可不可以具體在這邊給我們承諾就是說在一個月內你們就可以把這個到底由誰管的這個主管機關能夠把它這個訂定下來好不好否則的話這樣一過去可能又是好多年了委員我們跨部會來加速進行這個管理制度可不可以在一個月內提出來目前已經有十個縣市政府他們有納管波特傳 |
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基本上我這邊想要請教院長可不可以在一個月之內建出來到底由誰管好嗎我會請我們負責國安的政委來協助來協調各部會我們跨部會來主持組成一個會議來討論第一個無法可管第二個就是說我們可以看到就是波特船你可以看到他幾乎所有都沒有 |
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專法納管沒有 登錄沒有 船編沒有 漁獲回報沒有 入出安全沒有 裝設AS沒有這還有一個什麼問題你知道嗎就是它有可能利用這樣的一個波特船 因為它沒有AS嘛 它其實你偵測不到它可以利用來偷渡跟走私 院長知道嗎我們之前在討論到船舶法跟商港法的修法過程已經有吧 這個是我也 |
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山無船 把它列進去的現在事實上也影響於有很大的一個問題所以針對這個部分是不是有辦法可以一個月內嗎否則的話一過去 明年我要問一樣的問題 |
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好謝謝院長那就一個月內請你們再訂出第一個訂出組織機關第二個應該要競速訂管理專法可以嗎就剛剛講了其實沒有很多法不然船舶法各方面的法但是針對波特船這樣子的一個 |
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目前無法可管的這樣是不是可以訂定一個管理專法就比較需要更多的時間來考量但是以目前的機制來講我們已經有跨部會的好 那就一個月內確定組織單位然後之後我們再來研究專法可以嗎我們已經送納月來審議了那如果這個部分我們需要在廣義定義上來做或是加一些強化的措施我們就來處理 |
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好,謝謝院長,希望能夠把波特傳這個亂象真正的現在把它剔除。那另外最後一個問題就是要請教你就是有關非洲豬瘟的,因為其實本席在最近有收到很多的養豬業者的陳情,他們都希望能夠禁用廚餘養豬。 |
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那當然目前發生的這樣的一個狀況剛剛我有聽到院長還有部長的一些回覆目前好像還沒有打算要禁用處於養豬那當然這也可能就是七年多前那時候的賴清德總統跟卓榮泰院長擬擔任秘書長的時候的一個決定但是我覺得這個對養豬業者真的非常重要所以還是覺得院長應該要審慎來去思考禁用處於養豬 |
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謝謝 |