| IVOD_ID |
164935 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164935 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-31 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-31T15:50:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-31T16:20:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ee73761948dc91d4372e5926a0f2c661248844316b57826680cd3389c058de03f3ee4f7ce62287085ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張嘉郡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:50:12 - 16:20:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-31T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。二、10月31日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、11月4日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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張家俊委員質詢謝謝院長我想請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢張委員好 |
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院長好這次非洲豬瘟疫情震驚全國台灣7年的防疫戰線被突破對於行政團隊第一時間果斷的下達禁運 禁載 禁廚餘等措施本席給予高度的肯定當然防疫勢同作戰我們不能只滿足於戰術層面上的迅速應變 |
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更需要戰略層面上的去面對長期的缺陷這一次的危機爆發是敲響了我們邊境管理跟廚餘去化問題上的警鐘那我們也不能只做事後的這個管制希望說要下決心根治這個破口確保台灣養豬產業的這個永續安全那本席必須明確的向院長說 |
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非洲豬瘟是一個非常毒的病毒豬只要染上了它就是必死無疑它沒有一線機會而且它的傳染力非常的強一定是 |
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就是用台語講就是絕對是沒有一線希望說他有機會生存甚至他目前為止也沒有相關的疫苗所以一旦爆發台灣的整個養豬產業很多豬農他奮鬥了一輩子 |
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他憤怒的一輩子的這些心血甚至一代人兩代人三代人的心血是一夕之間全部都化為烏有所以這件事情是非常嚴重的所以本席在這裡要建議院長還有部長一定要全面禁止出於養豬為什麼我要這樣說呢我想喔這個院長可能已經知道說 |
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全台灣的500多萬頭豬裡面只有8%是處於養豬院長您肩負整個台灣我們台灣養豬產業包括說你批發商市場商然後還有這些餐飲業者整個產業鏈 |
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打擊 假設爆發打擊的是將近2000億的這個產業要為了這8%來犧牲這2000億的產業嗎好 三項跟委員報告第一個我很感謝陳俊基部長在10月21號的傍晚我們獲知這個消息之後幾乎他是在當天晚上就馬上跟我提出了整個部長跟農業部同仁要求的剛剛委員說的那三項 三個禁 只使用 |
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進展 進運 進用飼料所以農業部的反應是相當快第一個感謝第二個是感謝所有的產業界的朋友跟養豬的豬農還有所有的相關一級生產鏈的所有的從業人員他們也在那個時候開始就馬上 |
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呼應也配合整個政府的政策我們才能在第一到時間當中強力的管控那第二個雖然我們只有大概百分之八點多的養豬戶跟豬隻是用這個飼料在飼養豬隻但還是有40幾萬對在飼養這個豬隻但是還是有40幾萬戶 |
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四十幾萬頭我們現在如果要全部停下來的話我必須第一個廚餘的去化第一個想到像昨天我們在台中去前幾天的樣子大家看了就非常的擔心現在慢慢的好我們先把廚餘的去化問題是掩埋是焚燒是飼料化或是做生殖能把它做一個系列的輔導轉型 |
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這個本席同意但是我想要呼籲院長的是廚餘去化跟非洲豬瘟的防疫應該切割來看非洲豬瘟你只要保證說他暫時不要說暫時希望永久全面不要吃廚餘的話他在台灣爆發的機會就減少到真的是最低了 |
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那所以如果你把它切割來看我知道廚餘去化的問題要處理非常的困難 |
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不是那麼容易但你不能把處理廚餘去化的問題加諸在這些豬農身上你不能把這個整個壓力壓在他身上因為假設你繼續不圍堵全面禁止廚餘養豬的話這個破口是隨時會發生的那廚餘去化變成是綁架整個養豬產業要繼續吃廚餘 |
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不會 我們不會把它轉嫁給養豬農身上第一個現在我們第一階段是防治 清消把這個疫情控制住第二個階段我們希望對產業界有一些實際上的補助讓他們的生活生計不發生這個我有發文給農業部農業部也從善如流都有今天也都公告出來這個我們都予以肯定但是在此同時我們想要是這廚餘的去化我們已經在開始做規劃 |
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处理到这些之后如果把它转换转换有一个过程不然这些现在用厨余在养猪的这些猪汁他这15天他这15天可以吃饲料为什么他未来不能吃饲料我们也会做饲料的一些津贴补助给他价差的津贴但是能不能长期多少时间这么做我们还要跟协会大家来做沉浸的呼吁院长 |
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這件事情我為了今天要總諮詢我去拜訪了非常多的豬農他們都沒有跟我說補助說什麼他們只跟我說一定要禁止廚餘養豬他說假設不禁止的話我們所有的基業所有的這些豬隻都可能一夕之間覆滅那這個影響就大囉因為您記得我不曉得您記不記得口蹄疫爆發的時候口蹄疫爆發的時候那整個 |
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產值是1700億的打擊而且光股市都跌了好多天所以不要想說這影響的只是豬農他的生計這影響的是整個台灣每一個人所以我希望院長說是不是可以責成農業部 |
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再繼續延期再繼續延期禁止廚餘養豬然後讓環境部好好的因為我也做了一些資料包括說雲林縣他現在是把它做成雲蓋肥做成肥料然後日本是把它做成飼料液態飼料甚至我也攝取了一下說其實在台中在桃園都有升值能源的這個能源廠發電廠 |
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那其實像台中來說他一期開發他二期沒辦法開發是因為廚餘量不足耶 |
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我是不是可以跟委員報告一下其實廚藝網租原則是禁止的除非說它的廚藝在利用本身符合相關的規定90度C一個小時的蒸煮這個就是問題所在你跟我說的是科學我跟你講的是人性你知道嗎 科學上它是符合的我也認同您的專業科學上它高溫蒸煮一個小時它就可以滅菌 |
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但是你敢跟我保證說每一個人都會高溫蒸煮一個小時嗎是不是可以養廚餘是由地方政府來決定的第一個說明那你如果中央帶頭禁止地方政府一定要跟進嘛對 我們原則禁止但是如果符合相關規定由地方政府如果地方政府同意的話而且經過檢核再利用 |
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所以您現在是在告訴我說您從今天開始會繼續禁止廚餘養豬嗎我跟你講就是說我們現在禁止以後有三大前提如果達到的話我們才會去考慮繼續去使用第一個部分就是說我們會全面的去查場針對廚餘的設備它的養豬規模是不是匹配這第一個 |
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第二個就是說所有的珍珠設備一定是要去落實它的一個我現在跟你討論的就不是這些設備問題也不是這些科學問題我現在在告訴你的是人性假設假設假設你先讓我講完假設會選擇用廚餘養豬的就這8%的都是成本考量 |
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他在成本考量之下你讓他要耗油耗電或者是耗瓦斯煮一個小時你覺得他既然都是為了要降低成本才選擇廚餘養豬你覺得他會耗這一個小時嗎你還要在那邊攪拌喔所以我們要百分之百的監控就是用即時的監控的方式 |
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這就是 等於是你撩很多天的然後為了那8%造成了其他92%的恐慌你要知道現在的豬農有多害怕他們怕死了我想對 國土委員報告齁除以養豬我們的縣市我們也在跟他溝通排名第一的是新北 |
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第二個屏東 再來就是新竹 台中我現在就問你嘛 這麼多縣市加起來也是只有8%你為了這8%你要犧牲2000億產值的產業我沒有犧牲 我只有三大前提我才會開放第一個就是說整個曾祖設備我們盤查過是安全的所以你目前還是會繼續禁止的是嗎 |
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符合這個三個條件我只講了兩個條件第三個條件就是法令要完備以後我們才會去考慮說重新去開放因為經過我們政府的部分我先有你這一句話就是你會持續禁止到我會在三個前提達到的時候我們才會去考慮真的我真希望說 |
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真的要全面禁止因為你一個破口之後全台灣的養豬業都是覆滅了而且我相信廚餘去化是環境部的問題為什麼要農業部來幫忙背這個鍋呢你先不要講是不是 我現在想要問的是 部長請問一個廚餘去化廠大概要多少錢 |
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不一定 像雲林的話事實上是也謝謝他六親他支援雲林縣政府但是像台中的話他其實他的垃圾都處理不行了所以他的廚餘更不行所以不是每個縣市像雲林這樣對於垃圾或廚餘處理都那麼好我知道 我現在的意思是說你假設每個縣市都要補貼他一座這個廚餘去化廠大概要多少錢 |
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包委員因為這種屬於垃圾處理真的是地方事務所以每個縣市不太一樣那個是地方要做的大概要一億多五億嗎一億多所以假設一億多你每個縣市你都平均補助他一億多或者是假設抓兩億你每個縣市補助他兩億剩下不足的他們去自籌看他們的量能是多大可能有的比較多有的比較少你要想說假設你每個縣市補助他兩億 |
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那也是30億以內你就有辦法解決的問題結果你要讓這2000億的產值的產業去為你那20多億就可以解決的問題去綁在一起這是不合理的那我最後再跟院長說明假設真的不信這個非洲豬瘟因為沒有全面禁止出於養豬而爆發了誰要負責 |
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有人可以負責得起嗎就算大家都下台了這些產業也都回不來了所以是沒有人擔得起這個責任的所以我也很希望院長你一定要把握這個原則就是至少我們把這個破口先圍堵起來全面禁止儲育養豬之後我們來處理廚餘去化的問題把它分開來處理我覺得是可行的 |
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在案發到現在前面這15天當中當然都是禁止的那未來剛剛部長有提到他有三個前提那三個前提要同時達到那也相當需要一段時間我們要全面的監控在沒有達到這個三個前提同時的時候 |
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我們是不會在冒然的情況之下又讓整個豬農跟豬隻陷入到廚餘養豬大家的疑慮當中但是同時在這個時間我們對於各方的意見跟好的做法比方說我們就非常的 |
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雲林那麼多的養豬雲林可以不必因為有南亞一個民間的企業他用他的身子來協助那各縣市或是公家的一些單位也可以朝這個方向來跟豬農來做合作那這樣我們廚餘去化第一個就會減少一大半了那現在我們再利用的廚餘其實量也不少有1600多公噸再利用化的 |
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再另外這個對家戶的廚餘已經夠了只是我們加上事業的廚餘在700多公噸的話他會超過那我們現在整個來規劃讓他更有安全的管控在量可以處置底下但這一點點時間那這一點時間之內我們除了禁止之外如果真的必須管開放也必須符合這三個條件那這個部分都是在未來飼料化也好 能源化也好做一個前置的動作 |
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甚至我也檢查了這個國際的例子例如新加坡他們的處理是先把廚餘變成液態漿然後把廚餘跟污水與污泥在同一個廠區消化發電他今年開始運營所以等於是污水廠跟垃圾處理一體化所以這個方面的經驗我想新加坡也是我們可以借鏡的 |
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今天早上在院內也有提到把廚餘的處理跟污水的處理把它合為一體就地點的選擇可以就近 |
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它造成的地方上的反彈可能會小一點而且它對於馬上處理整個在設備上的使用跟安全的考慮也比較周延早上我們已經有在做這樣的考量這一點也要拜託院長跟部長那另外我最後提一個點就是針對這個廚餘養豬的點你要想說假設真的有繼續廚餘養豬變成了破口結果這些豬都死光了 |
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你廚餘問題也是要處理啊所以他並不是說你要用養豬來去化廚餘你知道嗎你如果不把這養豬產業保護好這些豬死光了你廚餘一樣要處理所以到時候假設這2000億都賠了你最後還是要花這30億來處理廚餘 過去的政策跟技術可能到了某一個瓶頸那現在我們如果新的技術包括飼料化包括未來的能源化等等我們可以在這個 |
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政策上做現在的思考給一點這個轉換的時間但是在這個轉換的空間時間當中要禁止全面禁止廚餘養豬那另外我也想提就是說其實雲林縣除了把它變成肥料之外 |
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我們在111年的時候率先全國推動家用的廚餘機補助計畫所以這個家用的廚餘機會降低你廚餘的量讓你後端處理不用那麼的累那麼的多包括那一年補助了2166戶 |
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那這項政策讓民眾是很有感的因為每年可以從源頭減少475萬噸的廚餘所以這對於我們雲林縣後續再把它變成雲蓋肥它是省時省力而且這個廚餘機其實環境部是可以補助的呀 |
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包委員很多縣市自己都有在補助了就因地制宜因為各個縣市它有各個縣市的狀況那我們還是鼓勵這種所謂的多元循環經濟的方式那這種屬於源頭減量的方式我們鼓勵地方可以主動來做所以我再一次確認就是院長會把廚餘去化跟非洲豬瘟這兩件事情分開並行的去處理是嗎 |
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我們在處理這次非洲豬肉防治的過程當中發現到廚餘是大家憂慮的問題所以我們同時在進行一方面防治一方面對於廚餘未來的輔導轉型我們同時在進行好 謝謝謝謝院長也謝謝兩位部長我想未來還要讓你們就是多多費心把這件事情當作真的是作戰一樣去保護這些豬農然後保護這個產業那我也幫你們加油謝謝 |
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謝謝那另外呢我想要就是詢問院長的事其實少子化我想您可能對於少子化這個議題常常也有人向您提起那我也知道說這個衛福部他已經有宣布說11月 |
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1號開始會針對不孕症試管嬰兒的補助3.0要實施然後首次的療程是15萬然後第二次第三次是10萬然後之後每次是6萬最多是可以申請6次 |
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那對於這一點本席是相當支持因為我本席也是高齡所以也有做過試管那我也知道說要付出的成本也是相當的高那我們現在都是晚婚晚育很多鄉親其實是非常非常需要這一筆補助的 |
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那所以呢我也希望說不要把它單純看作是醫療費用的補助更要把它看到說它是一個社會投資它背後的意義是遠大於這個醫療補助那針對這個國內醫學院的研究他說政府每投入一塊錢到不孕症的治療補助上平均可以回收 稅收回報是5.68元 |
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所以它其實是一個可以正向帶來稅收未來就你每生一個人未來可以帶來的稅收的這個正面的所以是會回收的投資請問院長認同嗎只要有助於解決少子化少子女化的問題任何的投資政府都應該很願意而且大力的來支持這個是對國力未來的維繫是重要的所以 |
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不需要太考慮他那個投資的報酬率的成本謝謝院長那當然本席還有一些問題想要請教現行上限為每胎六次那根據臨床經驗臨床的資料顯示這個40歲以上的女性平均要嘗試六到八次才有可能會成功懷孕這一點我想要知道說 |
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這個針對現在 你知道40歲以上的女性40歲以下的是補助6次嘛40歲以上的是補助幾次 您自己說 |
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三次對不對 您覺得這合理嗎應該是年紀越大越難懷孕應該是要補助多吃一點吧這個我們過去有統計的資料就是說如果是在40歲以下那麼平均大概5次左右可以有70%的成功受孕機會 |
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但是一旦超过40岁以后呢他人工生殖成功的机会就大幅的跌落到三成左右而已是那你还不多补助他一点然后又考虑到母婴的健康了解说这个虽然是这个人工生殖可是还是得考虑到母婴的健康因为本席本席就是10岁以上生的呀对对对我就很难理解说怎么会 |
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年紀越大其實是越難生才對你怎麼會年紀越大你補助他越少次呢你覺得這合理嗎因為我們還是希望即使是做人工生殖也應該在試孕試孕的年齡對於母親跟胎兒都是比較好的試孕年齡您告訴我是幾歲 |
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我們一般如果你超過到40歲以上我們都會開始歸到高尼基度了所以我們還是鼓勵在40歲以前盡量去完成部長你這樣子無助於少子化你知道嗎你要萌生就要繼續生我們從過去的統計確實也是考量到他的成功率跟他的健康的問題說實在假設這個媽媽不健康你覺得醫生敢幫他做嗎 |
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所以你不應該用政策去限制他我覺得如果假設40歲以下是6次40歲以上也至少要是6次才對啊否則你這樣是歧視耶報告委員 這個可能是醫學的根據我是當然是外行不過我認為我們要鼓勵大家早生啊是要早生但是你不能說40歲以後我就放棄你你能生就生 不能生就算了是這樣嗎 |
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我們還是有一個鼓勵的方向類似怎麼樣 你生三次你試試看我有一個朋友今年53歲他才生他第一胎他也很健康啊 |
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你不能說他50歲他就不能生小孩跟委員報告因為這整個的補助的方案他其實是有個政策的引導所以我們的鼓勵我現在是跟部長講你這樣想太狹隘了啦搞不好40歲以上才是我們生產的主力你知道為什麼嗎因為他經濟已經獨立了他有時間有經濟支持他才有辦法去好好生小孩那你 |
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等於是國家你竟然要鼓勵生小孩因為你的目標是要怎麼樣克服少子化嘛你多一個是一個你怎麼會去限制說你只能三次啊你40歲以上就可以六次我看部長這樣我們跟這個先進的醫學的知識我們再去做接軌而且跟鄰近國家日本韓國這種同樣要面臨少子化國家的問題我們也跟他再做一些討論學習也許他們的經驗可以告訴我們我們可以從一個現在跟委員所說的鼓勵更多人 |
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1409.407 |
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在40歲以後還願意的人我們可以從這個方向來做一些思考謝謝委員謝謝院長另外本席再提一兩個意見針對這個不孕症的部分因為其實這些不孕症的診所大多都集中在台北 台中 高雄 |
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1410.228 |
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1430.536 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
大都市所以呢像雲林啊嘉義啊甚至花東等地的夫妻假設他要接受這個治療他每一次療程都需要長途往返那有沒有可能針對偏鄉有交通補助呢然後避免這個城鄉差距變成隱性的一個門檻 |
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1433.558 |
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1454.16 |
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我們來盡量的鼓勵看看讓每個縣市也都能夠有合適的人工生殖機構這樣會遠比用交通補助來得更好因為畢竟這個追蹤是蠻頻繁的這個是一個漫長的路啦人工生殖懷孕的過程是一個漫長的路還是盡量能夠 |
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1455.001 |
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1483.635 |
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就地會比較好我們來檢討看看什麼樣的鼓勵措施讓每一個地方的民眾都能夠或者是你可以有那種行動的醫療車或有定期去巡迴也可以啊可是他們的這個設備聽說都非常的昂貴喔可能沒有辦法這樣移動所以這一點可能要拜託部長喔好好的研議一下因為很深的我們都要盡量鼓勵他因為每一個都是我們的保護 |
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1484.256 |
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1504.336 |
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現在台灣是生不如死去年台灣的新生兒人數喔只有13.4萬人只有13.4萬人比死亡人數少創下歷史的新低喔所以如此低迷的這個生育數據啊就是希望說不只要鼓勵生還要 |
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養得起所以我在這裡也要拜託院長啦就是說現在未算托育的這個家庭育兒補貼是多少您知道嗎在家庭是帶的嗎 |
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1520.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1536.966 |
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每個月5000然後第二胎每個月6000其實上一次中央調整育兒津貼也是2022年的8月了到現在已經三年都沒有調整了這三年來每年的CPI指數每年都提高2-3% |
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1539.608 |
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1559.498 |
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我們裡面我們法定喔像老農今天是四年要調整一次啊要就是檢討一次那可不可以請院長指示說是不是能夠去檢視一下我們現在的育兒津貼符不符合現在的CPI指數因為這個自帶的我們跟這個公托公 |
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1560.191 |
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1579.182 |
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有的部分都要連結在一起來談才不會失衡那這個要比較大一個整體性的考量是 所以真的希望建議院長可以建立一個CPI的這個聯動機制就是物價年漲幅達門檻他可以自動調整的話這樣子對於這些新手父母 |
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他除了生之外他也比較敢養至少這是這個補貼對很多家庭是非常非常的重要那所以我們不只要補貼試管更要能夠調高這個育兒津貼提升他們想要生育的這個誘因跟這個動力好不好拜託院長 |
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1602.486 |
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1616.619 |
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好的 謝謝 我們來了解檢討未來往一個更實際協助的方向來做思考好 謝謝那我是不是接下來可以問一下那個交通部部長有關於雲林高鐵西站交通部長 |
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1633.008 |
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那其實我想要講的是上一次我們有討論過雲林高鐵西側開發的進度那我可以請問一下部長目前進度為何嗎 |
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1655.778 |
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我們在9月9號已經公告了那在9月11號有辦過招商的說明會然後我們11月19號交通部本身的招商說明會也會再辦一次希望能夠引進更多的廠商可以來參與這個開發案那我們預計在這個1月9號明年的1月9號我們大概就會來做這個開標的動作 |
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1657.389 |
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1675.332 |
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所以明年1月9號我們就可以大致上知道說整個高鐵西側6公頃的這個土地他未來的走向嗎如果是投標的狀況夠踴躍然後沒有哪個標沒有人標的話基本上那個大致的方向我們大概就會知道 |
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1692.646 |
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我也要謝謝部長跟院長這就是我上一次總質詢的時候問的那非常感謝部長真的很用心持續的在推動他的這個進程而且真的在明年1月就可以看到說他的招商結果 |
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1712.13 |
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那因為我們雲林高鐵站附近這一塊是最精華的土地我們當然希望說它可以開發起來變成我們的新門面可以變成一個黃金的新門面帶動我們整個雲林縣的生活品質甚至很多好朋友來到雲林他會說哎呀 |
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好像就是一個很現代化的城市所以我們也希望說在這個過程當中可以拜託部長多多幫我們鼓吹一些好的廠商盡量來投標然後盡量可以把好的產業或者是廠商帶到我們雲林來潛在的廠商我們都會探尋 |
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1752.115 |
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希望能夠找更多的廠商當然也希望說既然這個六公頃要開發那高鐵西側這個門未來可能要搭配去打開否則他只有東側有門西側沒有門以後未來要過去這個假設是一個商圈好了沒有辦法過去啊 |
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我們這個部分我們就一併來考量都是看他未來開發的方向跟狀況那未來的出口我們也會來做調整這一點可能要拜託院長部長因為他西側現在是沒有空間的假設真的要跟未來的商業區連結的話我們目前的高鐵站勢必是要適度程度的擴大然後可能 |
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1806.722 |
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也希望說因為我們現在的這個高鐵站是一個很漂亮的高鐵站它是如果我沒記錯的話是姚仁喜建築師所設計的我們也希望說不要只是為了擴大然後把它變醜了希望它的設計可以一貫的承襲這樣子的風格然後把它擴張出去好 謝謝委員對地方發展跟交通建設的建議您的建議我請交通部要非常重視把它納進未來的整體考量 |
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1810.918 |
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謝謝院長 謝謝部長我們一起加油謝謝委員 |