| IVOD_ID |
164933 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164933 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-31 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-31T15:18:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-31T15:33:48+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ee73761948dc91d4629a1e812bf81bbf248844316b578266b3de012f5655b6427b98ec381cd5a4705ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李昆澤 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:18:15 - 15:33:48 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-31T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。二、10月31日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、11月4日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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麻煩再請卓院長 勞動部長備詢 |
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院長好 照顧勞工是我們政府最重要的基本責任當然要分成三個方向第一個是照顧勞工的基本生活第二是照顧勞工而且要保障勞工的這樣的一個退休的生活第三是要讓勞工的權益獲得保障過得更好 |
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那在過去我們長期關注的有關勞保的議題 |
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尤其是在2012年陳沖擔任行政院長當時還沒有勞動部當時是勞委會的主委王如選主委在當時我針對勞保財務精算報告引起社會的恐慌勞工的擔心就是擔心勞保是不是有財務的危機在當時2012年10月我提出兩個重要的訴求 |
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第一個是政府的撥補要像公務員的公保一樣如果有虧損基金不足的時候政府必須要來撥補公務員有勞工也要有第二是要政府要國家負起最終支付責任我記得在2012年的10月31號 |
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我就提案要求針對勞保條例第69條必須要明文入法但是經過了從陳聰院長到民進黨執政之後民進黨的行政院長向社會公開承諾政府要撥補而且國家要負最終支付責任而且也實際做到了我們從2020年開始 |
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蘇貞昌院長開始撥補200億2021年編到220億到今年謝謝卓院長我們今年編了1200億的公務預算以及100億的特別預算在明年 |
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主委院長雖然在財政多重的這種不公平的壓力之下主委院長還是站在勞工的立場還是編組了1200億的公務預算再加100億的特別預算 |
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但是現在勞工雖然肯定卓院長對於勞工對於勞保勞工退休生活的一個基本保障的用心其實我要跟院長來提到的我們還是必須要明文入法雖然實質上政府撥補 |
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以及國家負最終支付責任實際上民進黨的行政院都做到了但是勞工還是擔憂要有明文入法才能對勞工的勞保必須有更具體的一個保障那我們在過去提到這個相關的議題其實2012年的時候我提案在2024年這一屆 |
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的4月9號我又再一次的提案一直提案就是要督促政府讓勞工能夠安心這就是所謂的安心條款那在過去我們說要跟跟勞工跟學界跟資方來做相關的對話我認為必須要 |
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再進一步做到法制化的推動來 請卓院長說明一下好 謝謝經過多年這樣的努力跟政府撥補的政策我們的勞保基金的規模現在已經足以讓大家安心所以今天委員在這裡的質詢跟等一下我們現在的答覆絕對不會讓勞工恐慌讓社會擔心絕對沒有過去那個情境了 |
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那麼從114年到現在我們撥補的金額整個已經高達3800多億再加上明年的1200億跟100億已經超過了5000億我想這樣的撥補的政策我們會持續下去那這個就是政府代表政府對勞保基金以及勞工權益最大最後的責任那是不是要入法那個勞動部一直有在做各種財政上面的規劃跟研究請洪部長說明 |
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跟委員說明其實當然因為現在我們確實看到尤其是李委員其實最早的時候就已經提出這個最終責任的入法 |
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其實現在在政策上面我們其實就是政府負擔最終責任我想這部分在政策上我們宣示很多次當然如果接下來在委員會裡面朝野委員要針對這個部分來排審我們也會持一個開放的態度來跟委員們來做這部分的討論當然我們也會來尊重最後在立法院審議的結果 |
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這個必須要父親照顧勞工退休生活我們必須更積極的負起這樣的責任現在先請卓院長回座位休息因為接下來我有一些政策的細節來跟洪部長來做討論謝謝卓院長麻煩請卓院長休息 |
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好謝謝洪部長我們接下來就針對就業服務法第5條就是有關於透明薪資的部分我們現在在招募員工如果是4萬元以下必須要幫 |
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要把相关薪资的数字写在招募的这样的一个公告里面如果你是三万三你也可以写三万三到三万六但是不能超过这个弹性不能超过五千元但是现在这个当初的就业服务法是在2018年的时候制定 |
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當時候制定它必須要考量兩個方面第一個是經常性的薪資第一個是當時稱為基本工資現在已經改為最低工資當時這樣的一個經常性薪資大概是41700元但是現在都已經超過46000元 |
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相關的基本工資我們也一再的調整民進黨執政之後我們就已經有10次調整這樣的一個基本工資到明年月薪可以調到29500元時薪調到196元薪資調整經常性薪資也調整我認為這個4萬元必須要做調整 |
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必須要做調整要調高之外而且要有機制性的一個調整讓勞工來了解相關的薪資的狀況對於自己的權益能夠更清楚的掌握來 部長說明一下跟李委員說明其實我們非常非常在意這個對於勞工的薪資條件的各種保障所以我們這幾年其實第一個就像剛剛委員說的最低工資我們不斷已經連10次的調整現在已經快要接近到3萬了 |
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那第二個我不知道我有沒有注意到其實我們這兩天其實公布的這個移工的新的方案裡面其實也把加薪的條件給加進去也就是要多聘移工就要來幫本國勞工加薪這都是我們希望能夠 |
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為提高勞工的薪資做更多的努力另外一個也很重要的其實是剛剛李委員說的在國際上面有用這叫做薪資的透明化透過薪資透明化的部分也有助於讓勞工的薪水其實在大家透明的狀況下面大家就會去比較然後可以再把這個薪資可以調高 |
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所以的確對於薪資的透明化的部分目前是4萬塊我們也有在檢討是不是要再把它往上拉高甚至接下來是有一個機制性的可以拉高我想這部分我們也在考慮這件事情因為讓勞工掌握薪資的透明度對於他薪資的狀況更能掌握他自己的一個權益那相關的這個調高是一個勢在必行的趨勢 |
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美國或是歐洲很多國家都已經有這樣的一個反而是更嚴謹的更詳細的這樣的一個薪資透明那我們現在是希望他有一個調高而且是有一個機制來做處理那我有提出我的版本我認為是應該以最低工資的 |
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1.75倍但是我是建議1.5到1.8都可以你認為呢我覺得想當然這個實際的數字我們可以看委員們各委員來做一些研議但的確現在4萬我們也覺得是可以有調高的空間甚至它就變成是一個機制性的它不一定一定是一個定數或者是 |
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的這個狀況所以我想我們其實也在擬定相關的這個修法的版本那會來參考大家的意見然後我想到時候來跟關心的委員來大家一起做討論我們當然希望對勞工的薪資有更多的保障還有往上支撐的力道我想薪資透明化是一個蠻重要支撐的力道謝謝部長必須要落實的去推動 |
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說完就業服務法我們來談就業保險法我有三個小子題來跟部長討論第一個是高齡勞工的問題第二個是失業勞工的問題第三是有關於6加1的相關育嬰價的問題 |
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是否要再加入我們的單親上偶的勞工第一個高齡的部分我們就業保險法目前所規定保險的對象是15歲到65歲我認為必須要提高現在中高齡的這樣的一個 |
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就業是未來的一個趨勢也是一個現象到65歲之後我們也必須應該給予就業的保險當然這個前提在年齡提高他必須沒有其他的給付才可以有這樣的一個保險的適用部長說明一下你的看法 |
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其實因為這個舊保法的這個檢討其實我們現在也在最後的這個盤整的階段那其中一個部分就是對於試用年齡65歲是不是要再往上打開那尤其是現在 |
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這個少子化跟高齡化的議題其實我們也看到蠻多的中高齡的勞工他的確還有在往下工作的意願所以是不是把這個給打開也符合現在整體的趨勢我們的確現在也在規劃當中所以我想應該這幾個月我們其實就會來提出救保法的這個草案修法的草案那就希望送到立法院先送到行政院然後再送到立法院大家來討論跟修訂 |
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好 相關的法治法等一下你再請你說明相關的時程必須也要明確的跟勞工來做報告跟說明剛才我們提到有關於高齡勞工這樣的一個就業保險法他的年齡必須要調高之外我們來談失業勞工的給付 |
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现在失业劳工他要申请相关的国家的一些补助给付啊他必须是要在他失业之后14天之内他经过公家或相关的媒介找不到工作或是没有办法得到职业训练的状况之下14天之后才可以清理相关的失业给付 |
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但我認為在現在的這樣一個社會繁重的壓力跟節奏之下我認為也必須要縮短這樣一個失業給付的日期等待日期我的初步建議是要縮短到7到10天讓勞工趕快可以針對這樣的一個失業的狀況有一個可以應急的這樣的一個資源來 請部長說明一下你的看法 |
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跟委員說明其實現在確實整體的失業率是相對比較低的但是其實我們對於失業勞工他其實相關的權益包括他其實可以申請相關資源的這個權益其實這也是我們現在在救保法在檢討的部分剛剛在講到14天是不是要往下休我們其實的確目前也有在規劃是不是要比方說剛剛講7天 |
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這樣子的數字那希望能夠讓他的權利或申請相關的資源的時候不用有中間這麼多的間隔那這部分也是在現在剛才在講到整體的這個救保法的這個檢討之中那我認為是蠻有機會是在我們的草案裡面來提出那來跟社會來討論另外這都要加強他的法制化的作用而且在修法的過程還是必須跟勞工團體跟工會來進行對話當然 |
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另外我們來討論到育嬰假的議題那總統有向社會宣示勞工的育嬰假要6加1就是說 |
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爸爸妈妈如果你们请了六个月的育婴假这个孩子还是需要照顾那可以再加一个月也是留子停薪的这样的一个育婴的重要的时间那6加1的这个法制化的过程现在怎么样 |
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現在6加1因為也在行政院的這個雙就業雙照顧的這個國發會在督導的這部分經發會在督導這部分裡面所以也是在這個救保法的修法裡面那我們一樣因為這也是在賴總統的政見裡面希望把它延長一個月那重點是說它其實是要雙清都清滿六個月那才能夠有這個6加1的部分那這也兼顧到一些照顧的性別平等的問題 |
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所以我說這也是在我們那一整個救保法的修法的期程裡面我們希望可以一併把它提出部長所以我現在說6加1必須要加緊它的法制化之外我現在再提一個就是單親喪偶的育嬰假我們必須要拿入我們現在討論的都是雙親雙親你都請好你的育嬰假之後你可以再加1這是我們要修法的一個重要的方向那單親喪偶的呢 |
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單親在我們的檢討裡面也包括在考慮裡面因為如果是單親的部分當然更需要因為他就比較不是一個傳統大家認為性別平等的問題可是單親的話他可能更需要這樣子一個延長的照顧因為他照顧起來單親可能會更吃力一點所以我們當然要把他給考慮進來 |
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我們對於勞工的照顧是我們重要的責任不管是調薪或是我們通過了職業災害勞工保險及保護法以及未來的救護法以及救保法我們都必須要積極的修正保障勞工謝謝部長謝謝李坤哲委員 |