| IVOD_ID |
164932 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164932 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-31 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-31T14:47:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-31T15:17:55+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ee73761948dc91d4d8eb556a0155b746248844316b578266b3de012f5655b64274376f4625cb93f75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:47:07 - 15:17:55 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-31T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第7次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。二、10月31日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、11月4日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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好 我們立法院院長我們卓院長及各部會所長有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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政務委員好謝謝你院長好辛苦了謝謝你每次我們到花蓮你都是從頭到尾每次都全程的提供很好的意見謝謝好首先還是要謝謝卓院長及政務委員還有各部會首長到這個花蓮光屋鄉做非常多的一個支持跟協助好我們今天就先談這個馬太安溪這個潰壩造成的這些事項 |
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我們先看花蓮縣光復鄉嚴重的災害我們今天不談不談責任只談這個主管單位 |
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第一个 人民的伤亡人民的伤亡就是因为第一个 没有完全撤离这个是主管单位就包含了中央 县府 乡公所到村长这个我们也谢谢我们计政委员这个已经做了一次的非常好的演练这个都可以作为包括其他县市共同的一个参考第二个原因 人民的伤亡第二个原因 |
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就是應該防範菸攝乎潰壩或溢流這個主要是中央主管的單位第三個就是提防因羞濁加固加高這個也是中央政府的主管的單位 |
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第二個嚴重的災害就是災情就是房屋淹水土石家計沖毀汽車機車沖毀農田農作物淹埋土石包括當然還有很多的像教堂公共設施這個都是這個就是跟撤離沒有關係與撤離無關 |
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主要的原因當然就是應該防範這個因涉浮潰壩或溢流這是中央政府主管第二個原因提防因加高加固這個包括河床的輸菌這個中央政府的主管的單位 |
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第三個重大的災情就是馬太安溪橋被沖毀當然這個主要的就是這個因防範 因社福潰壩或溢流這個也是中央政府主管的單位我們看現在現行的國有林地因社福因變標準作業程序這個規定 |
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你看我們只有林務級就是現在的林業農業部林業署來主管跟他的這個各林區管理處這個部分我們都必須要去檢討然後我們看這個緊急應變階段這是第二階段緊急應變階段還交給林管處召開這個應變小組所以這個應該要提高層級 |
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另外就是到了第三阶段的时候也不过是由林务己就是现在的林业署来负责召开咨询会议因涉浮之工程处理方案警戒撤离对策所以这个部分也是层级不高需要去检讨提高当然很重要的就是什么要有经费是要有经费 是没有经费 |
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所以我們看這個這個菸攝浮緊急工程的處理包括緊急抽水緊急排水緊急排水就是要降蛙這裡面寫的很修這是最有效的方法讓菸攝浮壩體開挖一流水道這是這裡面寫的最有效的方法另外就是降低天然壩之壩體高度也是壩點要挖降 |
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所以這個部分這個也是一個最主要是經費所以涉及到經費所以河道疏浚以整治工程也都是一樣會涉及到經費所以在這樣的一個情況之下本席特別請院長能夠將這個 |
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應變標準作業程序能夠提高為法例或法規命令的位階並且可以動之行政院的第二義備金這個法例的措錢可以在哪裡也許可以在災害防救法那一條然後在措錢訂一個辦法這樣的話是不是可以朝這個方向去努力是 報告委員的用心關於煙射壺的關於它的整個 |
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包括他的復原等等本來我們是有一個相關的指引在做各種依據那現在因為看到這一次的這個煙神火的事件農業部已經在提升他的整個法律的位階 |
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未來是在災防法裡面會把他納進來所以說委員所建議的這個部分等於我們現在在做的雖然他目前是在林務局做一個主管的單位但是從第二天開始我們就成立了中央應變中心也到現場去相關的必須要動用到的經費也都會隨時的支應出來那現在我們又有更多的這些特別的預算可以來支應那這個都已經是現在現行的制度跟現行的方法了 |
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好 謝謝院長我們就以修正災害防救法針對一條然後能夠授權訂一個更完善的法規命令我們看這個個案今天的這個馬太安溪淹涉浮潰壩或溢流這樣的一個個案根據農業部林業署也就是林務局的資料根據這個資料寫得很清楚 |
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92年就開始有崩塌現象比較很嚴重開始的就是從109年開始支流上游裸露面積逐年擴大然後有時細水 有時沒有細水 |
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然后113年也就是去年康瑞台风后支流右岸尤其下游侧开始有急迫崩塌所以这个部分就是我们从这个个案来去检讨然后就可以让未来有更好的因应的机制所以本席是太晚知道了 |
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本席是八月中旬之前差不多八月初的時候知道這個從新聞上知道所以我在八月十三號在卓院長主持這個丹納斯颱風的特別條例的時候我提出了這個附帶結議 |
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就是要請行政院督導行政院公共工程委會農業部還有經濟部第一個 開挖易紅道第二個 修築堤防 庫藏工程在這個主結議附帶結議裡面就寫得很清楚所以這個附帶結議在8月15號立法院通過了那我本人我在8月20號的時候看到新聞 |
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林務局的資料林業署的資料就是說 |
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都沒有下雨的話十月初就會溢流所以我8月20號緊急發會議通知邀請行政院 災防辦還有公共工程委員會農業部 經濟部召開緊急的會議所以我做出了一個結論 結議也就是請各機關要依立法院的附帶結議趕快進行當然就是開發易紅道 修築堤防 庫船工程 |
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等等所以這樣的一個情形之下當然我們看事後卓院長多次的去這個視察然後各部會也緊急的去做了非常多的一個工程譬如說這個以基金部來講短期臨時提防10月5號就完成10月5號就完成 |
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當然就是經費的問題成績的提高的問題就會從這邊可以顯示出來緊急輸進工程像這樣的總共加起來的經費差不多40億所以這個跟經費跟成績的提高都有關係我們看農業部的報告農業部在10月25號跟向院長所做的報告裡面 |
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也提到這個施工變道要從光復林道後 望榮林道後馬灘溪的溪床然後壩體的降溫 降低水位 壩體穩定這個也都是需要經費當然這裡面 |
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等一下我們可以討論就是說農業部的報告裡面方案一就是光復零到19K開始這樣上去13公里200個工作天坡度較平穩方案二從望榮零到上去長度2.3公里坡度比較多所以有相關的這些規劃跟分析很快的就有這樣的一個規劃分析我們看這個 |
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整個菸社府如果我們看國際的三大案例國際的三大案例我們看比較相近的應該是案例三完全用挖掘引流這個是美國以陸軍工兵團動用大量挖土機或推土機等重型設備開著一條人工的易洪道這個是我們可以參考國外的案例 |
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那我本席不是這方面的專業但是我在8月22號召開的緊急會議的時候是建議農業部當時的建議協調國防部用空軍的直升機載運這個 |
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挖土機中型的或小型的挖土機不是整個蓋其實它是可以組裝的零件可以組裝的當然要看地形地貌要看地形地貌地質的問題很鬆這個都是要去觀察當然我只不過是建議如果真的挖土機沒有辦法的話那個地形地貌只好比照幾十年前 |
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幾十年前的方式就是用人工啊用空中直升機載人工所以這個部分都是可以去考量的考量的部分因為因為我們也必須考量這樣的一個林道這麼長你開整個要把那個林道要透寬這個 |
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相關的機械才可以上去對林這個山林的保護是不是會有影響都必須去評估啦這個是我只是給這個農業部兩點簡單跟我們報告第一個當初我們也想到說降蛙空降是降蛙或者洪溪管另外一個是輸入但是任何的方式 |
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所需要的時間因為那個霸體太大了任何的方式在十月底都不可能完成那十月底依照我們的研判他會自然的溢流出來所以就是嚴加的監控這個部分應該是我們這不是專業啦我只不過是建議啦而且剛才我特別提了 |
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我們怎麼樣呢 提早因應就以這個馬太安西煙社府來講如果109年就時間就很長了所以他只要有的時候我們就像現在的利物溪就像現在的利物溪 |
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馬上就可以當然它不一樣不能一樣我只不過是建議農業部長期在觀測當時它的量體還那麼小比方說我們在殲10箱的太康溪現在也有但是它不足以我們去做一個緊急的處分但是我們在9月中的時候 |
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行政院的政務會議就正式排定一個驗社府的報告當時我們就認為說提出剛剛的三個方式以及時間點在那個時間決定就是要嚴密的監控它如果有狀況我們採取應急的措施但是也要求當地要進行疏散的演練這個部分可能是有一點時間上的落差未來的因變 |
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作業程序或者是法規就是要一開始有發現的時候就要去處理就像這個來講如果109年就開始的話我跟委員長補充一下就是以這次的花蓮的馬太安跟栗霧溪的兩個驗證物來比較因為它本身的堆積出來的霸體它的性質是不一樣像栗霧溪我們就用降蛙的方式引流的方式 |
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所以因為它的地質是適合這樣子的但馬太安是以泥沙為主而且那時候的天氣經常下雨土石非常鬆軟是沒有辦法做任何的可能的方式去處理所以我們才用嚴密的監控然後對下雨做一個很極盡速的一個那個疏散的一個策略這個不是責任我只是這樣說就是說 |
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這個要請國防部協助啦國防部協助相關的直升機最起碼去了解整個地形好不好這個當然我沒有說你的方案一或方案二是錯誤的我沒有這樣講只不過能夠有更好的也許有更好的方式好 接下來這個鐵路的部分 |
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我們先以北迴鐵路來看這個前線東車這整個都是用人力16座隧道主要是靠人工主要是靠人工這是我以北迴鐵路為例我們看這個當初北迴鐵路就是靠人工 |
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這次經濟部對於這個馬太安溪橋相關的這些因應當然除了剛才這個講已經講了這個提防的部分的謝謝就繼續努力了那現在就看這個鐵路民國70年光復隧道民國70年所以非常感恩感謝當時的 |
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鐵路級的規劃人員他就用這個隧道所以造成這一次馬灘溪橋斷了很多的都是透過這個鐵路來運送這麼多的志工去那邊都是靠這個隧道所以真的是要感謝我們看這個 |
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這個整個馬灘西橋都已經重回了我們看這個光復隧道1981年第一道第一代的光復隧道民國70年就通車然後第二代隧道2013年它改為雙向 |
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這個第一代民國70年那個現在是空在那邊所以我上次有跟部長建議當然我只能建議這個是不是有可能我認為當初的台鐵集能夠要用挖的他本來是在上面他們一定是了解這個光復 |
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馬太安溪的問題所以他們是往下 民國70年就知道了所以這個部分是給交通部找專家學者 專業人員去參考我的建議有可能的話公路橋 那個橋 馬太安溪橋有沒有可能從下面這個部分給交通部 這個我們都不是專業人員好 就這樣 |
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好 我們接下來這個特別預算特別條例今天通過了行政院就要開始編列特別預算各部會 主要是其他各部會啦那 延民會也不要忽略到延民會啦我只不過是建議不要忽略到延民會那因為光復鄉來講啊二分之一 百分之五十三的人口是原住民 |
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所以除了各部會應該要編列的依照特別條例來編列預算之外因為光復鄉原住民的人口佔了55.43% |
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所以這個部分這個像以這次的特別條例所通過的這個第四條第一項第六款有文化資產文化健康戰際會所相關的這些包括教會教堂這次又教堂受損所以這個相關的這些文化產業的振興各方面也請這個主計總署不要忘了這個 |
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延民會這個能夠也編列在這個300億裡面能夠去編列 就是這樣的一個建議有 我們有編列 剛剛你講這些聚會所教會 教堂 這個都有好非常謝謝 我們接下來接下來就請 還是請交通部麻煩再請交通部長備詢好 請主委 |
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這個漁花東地區鐵路設施安全改善計畫這個部長已經被我質詢得很不耐煩了也沒有不耐煩你都很積極討論很多次了這個是0403的地震所造成的所以0403也就是113年4月3號台鐵 |
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在去年12月9號提報了宜花東地區鐵路設施安全改善計畫到交通部 交通部審查之後退學期再修正 退學期再修正然後本席在7月24號質詢這個部長部長說我們會努力跟行政院爭取 |
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本席也質詢了前任的國發會主委在8月7號的時候國發會主委說我們會審查那時候行政院交付給國發會那國發會前天已經審查完成了 |
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國發會 我都有在追蹤因為我是公務人員也做過 辦理過研考所以都有去追蹤謝謝國發會 已經審查完畢了已經應該是下禮拜就會收到 行政院就會收到這個計畫要請院長能夠趕快的核定讓這個 |
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宜花東地區鐵路設施安全改善計畫能夠盡快的開始執行 |
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可以嗎 院長交通部在0403之後對花東地區的交通的安全提升確實是跟地方也在溝通那麼也做了一些規劃 工程上的規劃那國發會竟然已經就內容已審核那如果願送到這裡來我會詳細的看那其中有需要再跟部裡面再做溝通的或是跟國發會再做說明的我會緊速的來完成我常常跟那個 |
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部長常常以北迴鐵路為例北迴鐵路當時的財政的狀況跟現在的差很多79.2公里的幹線22座大橋16座隧道6年就完工了很多都是用人工所以這個部分這個要請 |
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這個院長多多支持 趕快核定好 謝謝院長剛才的這個承諾好 我們接下來就再請原民會來麻煩再請原民會備詢這個院長這個原住民族自治跟原住民族土地及海域法是我們原住民族最迫切需要的 |
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在去年的5月31號我們卓院長的施政方針的口頭報告裡面也特別提到落實原住民族基本法在這個背立原住民族自治的推動然後院長在當天的報告裡面也提到健全原住民族土地的法治這裡面都提到我們看這個中華民國憲法徵修條文 |
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這個特別提到國家因於民族意願保障原住民族的地位及政治參與對於土地的部分也特別提到也就是跟自治跟土地我們今天就談這兩個主題這個我們陳水扁總統在還沒有原住民族基本法之前 |
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在民國91年10月19號陳水扁總統跟原住民族簽訂了新夥伴關係再肯認的協定為什麼叫再肯認呢事實上我們陳水扁總統在參選總統的時候就跟我們原住民族各族的代表簽了這個協定他當選總統之後 |
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再簽一次因為之前是候選人成為正式的總統之後上任之後簽了一個再肯認協定這個都有記錄歷史 Google都有了這裡面我們今天就談推動原住民族自治就是這個部分當然這裡面有提到原住民族土地恢復部落及原住民族傳統領域土地這個部分 |
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後來民國94年2月5號通過了原住民族基本法原住民族基本法94年2月5號通過今年正好是第20年這原住民族基本法第四條規定政府應依原住民族的意願 |
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實行原住民族自治另以法律定制要訂定這個原住民族自治法然後第二十條也特別規定政府承認原住民族土地的前提這是第一項第二十條的第三項原住民族的土地要回復包括他的海域 |
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原住民族的海域要制定原住民族土地及海域法民國94年2月5號通過之後啊無論是陳水扁總統或者是這個馬英九總統都有把這個土海法或者是相關自治法送到立法院但是送到立法院的時候都已經很晚了都是 |
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立法院即將借期的時候即將借期的時候所以就每一次都借期不聯繫借期不聯繫所以又重新退回是這樣的一個情形我們蔡英文總統在當選之後就職之後105年8月1號向原住民組道歉也做了非常重要的承諾 |
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蔡總統說我們會加快腳步將原住民族最重視的原住民族自治法原住民族土地及海域法盡快的會很快的送請立法院的審議所以當時的行政院秘書長當時105年6月27號在司法法治委員會做報告的時候特別提到 |
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1629 |
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1650.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
本院將在下個會期提出原住民族土地及海域法下個會期以105年6月27號下個會期就是106年的2月開始就新的會期所以這個部分而且還兩次 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
1651.842 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
1671.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
兩次承諾105年剛是6月105年的7月又是第二次承諾會很快的送行立法院來審議所以我們綜合這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
1672.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1699.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
我們行政院應該要遵守就是要請行政院遵守第一個 中華民國憲法徵修條文遵守憲法這是最重要的這是第一個第二個 陳水扁總統代表中華民國政府以延續民主簽訂那個協定如果按照條約締結法協定就是條約了 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
1701.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
1730.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
按照這個條約締結法的定義條約就是決定就是條約這第二個第三個中華民國的法律原住民族基本法也規定的這麼明確然後中華民國的總統蔡英文總統也向原住民族承諾然後行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
1732.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1760.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
行政院也在立法院兩次先是會很快的而且有定個時程然後我們卓院長你的在去年的5月的施政報告裡面也有提到所以這個院長這個其實草案都有草案都有當初草擬的時候我是 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
1761.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1786.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
第一個我是處長的時候我是企劃處處長的時候然後這個圖海法原住民族土地及海法的時候我是已經副主委邀請各部會是審查所以才會送到行政院送到立法院院長可以說今年年底以前可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
1787.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1813.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
好 跟委員報告委員所關心的原住民自治法的草案還有您關心的這個土海法都是五進五出跟四進四出在大院的審查但是這這麼多年來政府對原住民族的身分認定權利的促進還有文化的保存一直在持續進行當中但關於這個自治的部分關於行政區劃還有它的權限還有財政劃分等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
1814.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
1814.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
好 謝謝鄭天才文 |