| IVOD_ID |
16491 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16491 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第3次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第3次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-04T08:36:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-04T17:41:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
09:04:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2025-03-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第3次會議（事由：對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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卓院長各位閣員早安報告委員會我們現在進行股市論壇委員發言三分鐘首先請張志倫委員發言院長各位同仁各位媒體朋友大家早安大家好 |
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今日備受各界關注的超思雞蛋案在先波瀾超思是一家資本額50萬的藝人公司卻拿政府1.75億的補助還接了7億的大訂單進口雞蛋的過程疑似有不法行為包含標示不實來源不明等問題使大量進口 |
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問題雞蛋流入市場重創國人對食品安全的擔心讓消費者無法辨識雞蛋的真正來源許多家庭也擔憂自己是否無意間使用了這些問題的蛋品然而令人震驚的是當時超思涉案的官員雖然降調職位 |
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但時隔兩年卻在今日挑升為單位的副首長職位本期不禁想問是否風頭過了就完全不顧人民的感受及怒氣不僅未被追究責任反而在事發後獲得升官這樣的做法賴總統您吞得下去嗎 |
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民進黨政府所謂的問責機制 責任政治難道只為顏色 不問對錯嗎舉例來說2023年超私弊案被調職的畜牧市長張經緯2025年調升為防疫署副署長2014年高雄氣爆案下台的副市長 |
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吳宏謀2016年調升為工程會主委2019年失焉案緩起訴的警衛室主任張傑2012年調升為國防大學副校長 |
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由此可見 民進黨執政下 只要官員顏色對了 即使被降職 蹲個兩年就會再高升好像什麼事情都沒有發生過 難道綠色就是原諒的顏色嗎本席B7原證指出 官員在職責範圍內的任何疏失 應該受到公平公正的調查與處置 |
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而非在弊案或丑闻曝露后沉淀一段时间后又能受到调生这样子的官场文化不仅无助于恢复人民对政府的信任反而让外界质疑是否政府有上下交香贼有更多不为人知的黑箱黑幕呢 |
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本席將會與專家學者就公務員申簽法相關條文檢視現有的申簽機制建立合乎誠信連人的考核標準政府官員的申簽應在在職期間內表現施政成效為依據本席將持續監督超司B案絕對不讓此案石沉大海謝謝 |
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谢谢张志伦委员发言接下来请麦玉珍委员发言林倩琪委员请准备 |
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1657.3 |
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院長各位親愛的家人大家早安健康是健保是健康有能力的人繳交健康保險費用讓健康不佳有需要的人來使用但是呢依據現行規定雙標政府一國兩制比如同時入境 |
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一個是來台工作一個是婚姻來台但是生婚標準差異很大工作來台馬上可以申請居留權及勞健保婚姻來台後還要觀察適用 |
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六個月後才能取得居留權及加入全民健康保險對新住民的家庭人權及公平之都何在在這段時間內他們若生病或發生意外沒有 |
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没有身份没有健保只能自费医疗这不仅影响个人的健康更加重了整个家庭的压力及经济负担如果他们是我们的子女远嫁他乡 |
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因為政府的制度你願意讓你的子女在六個月內讓別人適用是無人權無尊嚴無醫療權益甚至有可能被遣送出境因為你不適用台灣是人民 |
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民主有人權的國家我們強調的是平等但是制度卻讓新住民成為健保的邊緣人新住民並非社會的負擔他們與本國國民成為家庭 撫養子女 貢獻社會是台灣未來的主人王之母 |
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於是現在在這邊呼應大家他們非歧視的外人我們要呼應政府盡快修法讓新住民在台能立即申請居留權 加入健保保障他們的基本居留權益及醫療權益 |
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讓我們一起努力消除歧視友善臺灣讓新住民成為世界接軌的橋樑一起推動臺灣經濟讓人民過得更好的生活臺灣加油新住民加油謝謝大家 |
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院長各位同仁大家好今天本席要來探討學齡前聽力篩檢政策的不足對兒童發展的影響學齡前聽力篩檢政策不僅涉及健康問題更影響到兒童的語言發展社交能力甚至是學業表現 |
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本席長期關注這個議題並且在會期做出多次的質詢就本席的了解全台各縣市在執行學齡前聽力篩檢政策上存在顯著的差異導致許多聽損兒童沒有辦法及時被發現問題錯失語言學習的黃金期 |
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台灣的新生兒聽力篩檢從嘉義市開始推動在2012年呢衛福部就跟進然後全國統一的來執行那至目前為止整個篩檢率已經達到了98%但學齡前兒童的聽力篩檢卻沒有納入全國的統一政策而是由地方政府自行推動導致各地方政府在篩檢覆蓋率資源配置以及執行標準上嚴重不均 |
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例如台中市就有數據顯示整個幼兒聽力異常的情形有3.86%高雄彰化更因為資源的不足許多兒童沒有辦法及時接受篩檢直到三四歲進入學校才被發現的問題嚴重影響到語言發展跟學習的進度顯示出資源嚴重不足的問題 |
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1908.519 |
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1933.484 |
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另外,篩检仪器跟人员的专业能力也参差不齐,进一步影响到了篩检的准确性。那么有家长以及专业机构在反映,目前许多篩检由非专业人员在执行,导致误诊率非常高,影响后续的语言训练及干预。另外,听力师的人力不足也是一个严重的问题,按目前人数来看根本没有办法负担。 |
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1934.224 |
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1956.967 |
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要知道三歲到四歲的篩檢相較於新生兒又更為複雜需要更專業的引導與評估但目前的幾乎標準也沒有辦法反映實際的需求影響篩檢的品質與可行性另外我們也看到偏遠地區的聽力篩檢資源更為缺乏使得城鄉差距進一步擴大那麼健康的資訊應該公平的來分配 |
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1957.567 |
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1979.566 |
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特别是针对偏远地区的儿童政府更应该设有专门的政策来缩小这个成相差距那么学龄前的听力筛检会影响儿童非常大那么早期能够赶快筛检出来及干预是影响儿童语言发展与学业成功的关键那么目前政策缺乏统一的标准那也都影响到学龄前的发展 |
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1980.186 |
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所以我們政府是不是有意識到這樣一個嚴重的問題是不是衛福部跟教育部應該主動來協調推動全國統一的學齡前聽力篩檢計畫確保每個兒童都能夠及時接受篩檢與干預那這不只是一個健康的問題更關係到台灣下一代的學齡發展請政府早日推動全國性的學齡前聽力篩檢 |
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2008.655 |
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2013.108 |
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謝謝林倩琦委員的發言 接下來請徐宇貞委員發言 洪孟凱委員請準備 |
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主席卓院長以及各位官員大家早台灣的法治正在被民進黨踐踏罷免本來就是民主程序卻成了違法募款的遮羞布所謂的公民團體打著民主旗號到處違法收錢甚至公開指導群眾用現金交給志工這種行為已經嚴重的違反政治現金法 |
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2070.174 |
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但民進黨政府不執法監察院不監督讓違法行徑越演越烈法律規定的清清楚楚卻淪為擺設根據《政治獻金法》第五條只有政黨、政治團體及擬參選人可以收受政治獻金 |
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2090.057 |
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罷免團體根本沒有資格募款然而罷免國民黨立委的民間團體竟然有文宣組長公然指導民眾如何規避法律鼓吹現場以現金交給有志工證的志工這種明知違法卻變本加厲的行徑 |
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擺明了在挑戰法律的底線這還不夠罷免團體甚至成立公罵課金群組公開上支持者喊話指定募款的任務讓捐款人直接把錢交給廠商印字文宣這種假捐款珍惜錢的手法完全規避監督甚至可能涉及刑責去年基隆的罷糧事件罷免團體募款了700萬元 |
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財務卻黑箱不明最後只用一張敷衍的收支表就想打發各界的質疑內政部於2014年已經明確地表示罷免屬於政治活動任何非政黨政治團體你參選人不得收受政治獻金 |
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2138.11 |
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2161.842 |
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違者不僅要沒收還要處以罰還甚至要負上刑責但民進黨執政多年來不修法不執法監察院更裝聾作啞讓罷免募款成為違法的黑色地帶卓榮泰院長您說聯能治理是深化民主的關鍵基礎工程相信你不會對違法募款放任不管吧 |
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這場大罷免根本是民進黨操弄政治報復選舉勢力的工具柯建民公開號召罷免民進黨全黨動員當違法募款行為發生時卻集體噤聲這不是雙標 什麼才是雙標還是這些都是賴清德主席教的 |
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2204.992 |
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民進黨政府如果還有一點法治精神應該立即查辦這些罷免團體的違法募款行為監察院也必須啟動調查還台灣一個公平的政治環境民進黨政府若繼續護航這些違法行徑人民一定會讓他們付出代價罷免不能淪為違法募款的幌子我們反對違法募款 |
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2213.719 |
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韓院長 卓院長 我們全院的委員以及在場的政府官員 |
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2234.796 |
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2258.648 |
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當執政黨團想把這個會期定義為罷免會期每天只想為大惡霸來增添仇恨柴火我們真的要奉勸執政黨當家不鬧事尤其仇恨的對立無法長久更是會撕裂台灣但這重點在於是此時此刻台灣面臨到不管民生不管經濟還有很大的挑戰都需要我們共同面對 |
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2259.668 |
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2287.77 |
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我們來看到呼籲民進黨的府院還是要顧民生做大事尤其近來引爆急診室大塞床的現象這才是真真正正關係到我們全台2350萬人大家共同的民生問題可是光看到先有衛福部次長講說呵呵小腦袋讓急診室的醫生大嘆不如歸去卻又看到衛福部部長前往去做視察 |
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2308.265 |
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被醫療人員講說為了這樣的一個五分鐘的視察要塞了二十張床來移走所謂的急診病人我們到底要問衛福部的大腦袋們民進黨政府的大腦袋們到底是什麼樣的決策可以讓部長去做這樣的一個視察 |
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2336.759 |
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再者面對台灣急診擁捨的問題卻是希望醫界就不要講話開嗆急診的急診的急診醫師把醫護當作是工具人嗎更不用講講出好像是要讓民眾自行來決定醫療分流過去台灣一直到現在都已經有呼籲了不要以為要呼籲人民當成是聰明的看病人這樣就可以解決問題 |
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根本的問題拿出來如果說真的是費用的部分之前衛福部有講到需要30億的補貼給我們的醫療人員卓院長你的第二預備金有75億預算的部分去年沒有刪除沒有凍結今年也沒有刪除沒有凍結如果真的有需要第二預備金馬上就能使用為何要拖到五月呢另外一個部分我們也要說 |
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2382.683 |
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預算花在刀口上當用則用我們絕對支持要合理的運用預算所以我們需要善待國軍不仰網軍宣傳費用要減少是因為我們不能拿人民的錢來洗人民的腦可是我們的國軍弟兄 |
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| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
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過去的待遇一直沒有增加也因此我們提出在這個會期我們希望能夠來協助修法讓義務役的士兵能夠提升到他們待遇到基本工資讓志願役的士兵能夠提升加級從一萬變三萬善待我們的國軍讓我們的國軍弟兄能夠真真正正在保家衛國的時候也可以顧好生活這才是中華民國政府存在的價值我們一起努力讓我們的國軍生活越來越好 |
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2423.94 |
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谢谢洪梦凯委员的发言报告委员会我们现在登记国事论坛发言的委员均已发言完毕我们现在休息 |
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4997.509 |
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5012.55 |
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報告院會現在我們繼續開會,請秘書長報告出席人數。報告院會出席委員74人,已足法定人數。我們現在開會進行報告四項,請秘書長宣讀第三會及第二次會議議事錄。 |
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5014.952 |
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5043.129 |
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宣讀立法院第十一屆第三會期第二次會議議事錄時間中華民國一百十四年二月二十五日上午九十至九十十四分十十至十一時五十七分下午二十三十分至五十三分地點本院一場出席委員陳委員招職等一百十二人請假委員蔓衍一貞列席官員行政院長卓榮泰等四十一人主席院長韓國瑜報告事項第一案宣讀本院第十一屆第三會期第一次會議議事錄 |
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5044.571 |
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決定確定第二次三十五三十七案均決定交互相關委員會審查第三十六案決定同意撤回第三十八案決定照案通過第三十九四十一四十二案為司法及法治委員會等所提示報告案第四十案決定展延審查期限 |
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5067.513 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
5074.581 |
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質詢事項 甲 行政委員 答案部分22件 疑 審計部 答案部分1件 並本院委員 質詢部分12件 討論事項第一案 決議 |
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5078.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
5104.81 |
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交互党团协商并由台湾民众党党团负责召集协商行政院院长提出施政方针及施政报告并答复咨询决定下次会议继续进行施政方针及施政报告之咨询其他事项本次会议是这层针对讨论事项照台湾民众党党团提议通过其余均照原本已议程草案通过宣读完毕 |
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5105.39 |
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5106.17 |
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委員會有異議 沒通過下議案 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
5130.046 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
5146.23 |
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第三案 本月元承賠於等21人理據 理費指 壯士代政策與產業發展法 財經委員會見交經濟委員會審查 宣布完畢第四案 本月元王宏偉等23人理據 產業壯士條例第10條之一條維修正常案 財經委員會見交經濟財政兩委員會審查 宣布完畢 |
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5153.251 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
5172.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
第五案 北瑞文化合會等二十二層鄰居 就業服務法第五十五條條文修正常案 裁修委員會間交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢第六案 北瑞文化美林等十七層鄰居 山坡地保育利用條例第二條條文修正常案 裁修委員會間交經濟委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
5174.884 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
5194.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
第七案 北域委員外媒領項17人凝聚 水凍保存法第2條條無修正常案 裁修委員會兼交交易及文化委員會審查 宣言迴避第八案 北域委員外媒領項17人凝聚 文化增選保存法第4條條無修正常案 裁修委員會兼交交易及文化委員會審查 宣言迴避 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
5195.521 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
5218.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
第九案 北域文文零零等17年年居文化增長防災法第九十方條及第一百所有條條無修正常案 採取委員會建交交集文化委員會審查 宣言完畢第十案 北域文文零零等17年年廢止行政院原子能委員會組織條例 採取委員會建交司法及法治交集文化聯合委員會審查 宣言完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
5219.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
5240.945 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
第十一案 北医务员罗廷威等16人例具就业服务法第55条条文修正常案 采讯委员会间将社会福利及卫生环境委员会审查 宣言完毕第十二案 北医务员罗廷威等16人例具劳动教育促进法总案 采讯委员会间将社会福利及卫生环境经济文化联络委员会审查 宣言完毕 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
5241.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
5244.768 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
第十四案第十四案第十四案 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
5264.324 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
5283.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
第十五案 本院委員羅廷偉等16人離聚青年基本法層案 裁判委員會監教教育及文化委員會審查 宣告完畢第十六案 本院委員羅廷偉等16人離聚文明體育法第22條文修正常案 裁判委員會監教教育及文化委員會審查 |
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5283.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
5285.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
第十七案第十八案第十八案 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
5309.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
5330.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
第十九案北越原油耗等二十三人邻居动物保护法第二十五条之一条文修正草案财修委员会见交经济委员会审查宣言完毕第二十案北越原油耗等二十三人邻居政府财务法第九十八条条文修正草案财修委员会见交交通委员会审查宣言完毕第二十一案 |
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5331.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
5332.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
补义通过宣言补义通过宣言 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
5356.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
5378.889 |
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第二十三案本院委員由浩騰二十三人聆聚就業服務法第五十二條條修正草案採修委員會監教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣言完畢第二十四案本院委員許曉欣的十七人聆聚公務人員退休之前不需法第三十七條條修正草案採修委員會監教司法及法治委員會審查宣言完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
5380.009 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
5398.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
第25案 本院委員柯志恩等17人理據 全員法第57條及第57條之一條文修正常案 結束委員會間交交通委員會審查 宣言完畢第26案 本院委員廖偉祥等17人理據 定議案法增列第24條之一條文草案 結束委員會間交經濟委員會審查 宣言完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
5402.068 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
5423.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
第27案本院委员略微向等16人联聚虚木法增立第9条之1条文草案采修委员会间交经济委员会审查讯息完毕第28案本院委员略微向等16人联聚陈彦创新条例第9条之1及第23条之1条文修正草案采修委员会间交经济财势委员会审查讯息完毕 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
5424.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
5448.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
第29案本院委员廖伟祥的二十二年年居公立学校教职员退休自检服需条例第八条条文修正常案承受委员会间教育司法计划之后及文化联络委员会审查宣布完毕第30案本院委员廖伟祥的学习人年居公立学校教职员退休自检服需条例第七条条文修正常案承受委员会间教育司法计划之后及文化联络委员会审查宣布完毕 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
5449.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
5470.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
第3巡案 北域原料卫生的24人邻居就业服务法第55条条文修正常案 承受委员会建交社会福利及卫生环境委员会审查 宣言回避第3巡案 北域原料卫生的16人邻居就预计本法第6条条文修正常案 承受委员会建交教育及文化委员会审查 宣言回避 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
5471.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
5491.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
第三十三案本院委員丁薛忠等十六人聆聚在害防修法第二十二條條文修正草案陳秀永會間將內政委員會審查宣傳並予以通過下一案第三十四案本院委員丁薛忠等十六人聆聚陳彥霜新條例第六十七條之一及第七十條條文修正草案陳秀永會間將經濟財政兩委員會審查宣傳並予以通過下一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
5495.071 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
5505.456 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
第35案 北岳元罗明财等二学生联聚 定议法第五舍调谈无休政策案 财修委员会见交经济委员会审查 宣传会议 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
5517.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
5540.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
第37案本院委员罗明财等20人联聚一整集赠予税法第13条第19条及第58条之后调务修正草案财务委员会间交财政委员或审查宣言完毕第38案本院委员苏清玄等18人联聚就业服务法第55条调务修正草案财务委员会间交社会福利基金环境委员或审查宣言完毕 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
5541.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
5562.352 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
第39案 本院委員役員職等20人凝聚文化創業產業方針法第10條之一條無修憲草案採取委員會見交交及文化委員會審查 宣言完畢第40案 本院委員役員職等19人凝聚運動採取方針條例第2條條無修憲草案採取委員會見交交及文化財政委員會審查 宣言完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
5564.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
5576.498 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
第四十一案本院委员业员职等二十人联聚中华民国刑法则立第八十九条之一条文草案财修委员会见交司法执法证明或审查宣布完毕无语通过下一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
5589.221 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
5592.123 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
第四十三案第四十四案第四十五案 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
5617.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
5617.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
予以通過下案予以通過下案 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
5632.375 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
5652.474 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
第四十七案本院委员原职等十八案的理据终究基本法草案财修委员会间交内政委员会审查宣布完毕第四十八案本院委员温小林等十六人的废纸写信运动业务委员会组织条例财修委员会间交司法及法治经济两委员会审查宣布完毕终于通过下一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
5653.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
5675.055 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
第49案 本院有員工小領導16人已廢止行政院農業委員會與月屬組織條例財修委員會兼交司法及法治經濟兩委員會審查宣言完畢第50案 本院有員工小領導16人已廢止行政院農業委員會農業金融局組織條例財修委員會兼交司法及法治經濟兩委員會審查宣言完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
5677.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
5680.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
第五十一案第五十二案第五十二案 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
5702.173 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
5724.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
第五十三案 本院委員翁曉琳等16人已廢止 勤勤運動業委員會農糧署各分署組織通則 程序委員會監教司法及法治經濟 兩委員會審查 宣言完畢第五十四案 本院委員翁曉琳等16人已廢止 勤勤運動業委員會動植物防疫檢疫局組織條例 程序委員會監教司法及法治經濟 兩委員會審查 宣言完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
5727.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
5729.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
第五十五案第五十六案第五十六案 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
5752.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
5773.729 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
第五十七案 本院委員徐欣盈等徐欣盈履具議事法第十三條條文修正草案 採取委員會監交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣言完畢第五十八案 本院委員徐欣盈等徐欣盈履具議事法第十三條條文修正草案 採取委員會監交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣言完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
5774.989 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
5797.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
第五十九案 本院院員王玉敏等學校人類聚兒童及少年福利於全業保障法第七條 第九條及第十三條的無修正草案財修委員會間將社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣揚並第六十案 本院院員邱振均等學系人類聚成因雙性條例第十條之一及第七十二條條無修正草案財修委員會間將經濟財政委員會審查 宣揚並 |
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5801.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
5820.831 |
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第六十一案本院委員邱振勳的十八案理據財團法人國家衛生研究院設施條例第八條條文修正草案財修委員會監教社會福利及衛生環境司法及法治兩委員會審查宣言完畢第六十二案本院委員邱振勳的十八案理據行政劇劃法草案財修委員會監教內政委員會審查宣言完畢 |
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第六十三案本院委員邱昇勳等16人聆聚地方制度法第55條及第56條條文修正草案陳修勇會見將內政司法及法治兩委員會審查宣言完畢第六十四案本院委員吳鴻夢海等16人聆聚傳染病房是法第11條之一及第32條條文修正草案陳修勇會見將社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣言完畢 |
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第六十五案第六十六案第六十六案 |
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第67案 本院委員吳斯堯等16人已廢止教育部停署組織法 查詢委員會見交司法及法律交通委員會審查 宣布完畢第68案 本院委員吳斯堯等17人已拒自動安全管理法修正草案 查詢委員會見交交通委員會審查 宣布完畢第69案 本院委員黃傑等17人已拒補給法第22條條文修正草案 查詢委員會見交內政委員會審查 |
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虽通过下言虽通过下言虽通过下言 |
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第七十二案第七十三案第七十四案 |
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第七十五案本院委员杨丑英已撤回前提之老人福利法第22条条文修正策略案查询委员会见您请委员会同意撤回宣布违笔第七十六案前任委员会见交经济委员会审查宣布违笔第七十七案前任委员会中华民国113.7月31日制定公布之 |
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5982.975 |
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6001.192 |
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6003.414 |
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6020.109 |
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第八十一案经济部含重中小企业发展条例第36条之二锁定基层员工范围中有关中华民国113年度及114年度基层员工薪资之一定金额财修委员会兼交经济委员会宣布完毕不宜通过下一案 |
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第八十四案经济部还从中华民国114年至117年能源用户电电节约能源目标及执行计划规定财修委员会间交经济委员会宣布完毕第八十四案经济部还从中华民国台湾政府与贝里斯政府经济合作协定第1号决议文中英文本影本财修委员会间交经济外交机构方能委员会宣布完毕注意通过下言 |
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6076.29 |
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6103.802 |
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第八十四案農業部橫送植物品種檢定報告書合作備忘錄英文約本一本集中一本成熟委員會兼教育及外交及國防兩位委員會宣傳完畢第八十五案國家科學及技術委員會橫送國家科學及技術委員會與西班牙高等科學研究委員會科技合作協定第一號修正案合約一本集中一本成熟委員會兼教育及文化外交及國防兩位委員會宣傳完畢 |
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6105.263 |
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請通過宣言 |
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6125.723 |
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6148.823 |
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第87案 數位發展部橫送本月修正期限防止法通過附帶決議第三項之第六項書面報告採取委員會間交司法企劃支援委員會 宣布完畢第88案 尖尖維航文財政部國有財產書籍所屬獎勵金管國有非公用土地地價稅經費不敷度至113年度中央政府總預算第二日備金6567萬4千元之印 |
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6151.065 |
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6151.806 |
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請通過下一頁請通過下一頁 |
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6176.249 |
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6195.674 |
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第九十案 經濟運行委員外交部辦理我中外各管處管宿舍經費租金不敷 同時一百十三年度中央政府總算第二六百斤七千三百八十一萬五千元之一 自結送第二六百斤 同時數額結關別表財政委員會見交財政外交機構方面委員會宣傳完畢 |
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6197.074 |
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6218.2 |
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第九十一案 前经理行为农业部补助农业天散灾害救助基金办理一百十三年度农业灾害时紧急救助所需经费补付同时一百十三年度中央政府总预算第二倍金二十二亿元支应资金送第二倍金同时数额几分别表前书院会见交财政经济联络委员会宣传完毕 |
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6219.48 |
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6221.522 |
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6239.784 |
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6264.397 |
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第九十三案 國防部函文幹部所屬一百十三年度預算後請及通知業務科目所需業務費 申請通知第一預備金及新台幣包圍一千四百美元 業經銜接面主席總署同意備案請書員會見 將外交及國防委員會 宣讀完畢第九十四案 國防部函文幹部所屬一百十三年度預算後請及通知業務科目所需獎補償費 申請通知第一預備金 |
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議員議員議員議員議員議員 |
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6289.853 |
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6317.538 |
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第96案 基金運行所113年7月及12月中央政府營業基金3億元以上及分營業特種基金1億元以上不辦預算或先行辦理數額表財經委員會見交經濟交通教育健康化及國防事務委員會宣讀完畢報告委員會本案由臺灣民眾黨團提出改交審查本案交經濟交通教育文化及外交國防委員會來審查下一案 |
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6318.1 |
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6319.761 |
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第九十七案第九十八案 |
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前述委員會兼交財政委員會宣布完畢第99案前進運航維修正學產經濟收支保管及運用辦法前述委員會兼交交給文化委員會宣布完畢第100案前進運航維內政部國家公園署及所屬為印太魯格國家公園搶救復原及重建工程經費不敷通知113年度中央政府總運算第二日北京1億2492萬9千元之印 |
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6373.622 |
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6398.238 |
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自解送第二日北京動森數額經費別表財政委員會建交財政內政委員會宣布完畢第一零一案經濟衛航委員海洋委員會海巡署成立特別行動支援中心空中作業隊並擴編特勤隊之基本業務維持運作所需經費不敷通知一百十三年度中央政府總額算第二日北京九千二百五十六萬九千元之印 |
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6398.778 |
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6405.344 |
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自解送第二位被驚動之數的七位別表採訪委員會間將採訪內專兩位委員會宣布完畢第一頂二案前進運行文教育部提出未頒發2024年WBSC世界十二強棒球錦標賽 |
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6430.663 |
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但多項社會肌肉運動選手及有功教練獎勵金 經費不敷動視113年度中央政府總預算第二倍金216,612萬基金元之一此前送第二倍金動證書的機關別票其中有會見教財專教育界文化兩委員會 |
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6431.704 |
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6432.804 |
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会议通过下言会议通过下言 |
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6453.812 |
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6472.958 |
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第104案 國防幕僚為幹部所屬113年度預算 後勤及通信業務科目所需業務費 申請通知地域為經濟新台幣3億3千萬元 涉及行政院主席總署同意備案 財經委員會見交外交及國防委員會 宣言完畢第105案 內政幕僚求財政處長把申請寫在第一條之一條文 財經委員會見交內政委員會 宣言完畢 |
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6480.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
6498.922 |
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第106案 內駐墨海溫修正義南申請服務太地辦法第11條及第13條條文 柴修養會兼交內政委員會 宣布完畢第107案 內駐墨海溫修正公共下水道污水處理場失業廢棄物再利用管理辦法 柴修養會兼交內政委員會 宣布完畢 |
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6500.183 |
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6520.792 |
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第108案 农业部海维修生公告了美国二海岸二州自高病原性交接流行性感冒肺炎去删除财修委员会兼交互经济委员会宣布完毕第109案 农业部海维修生农业部农田水利署江南管理处农田水利事事范围财修委员会兼交互经济委员会宣布完毕 |
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6521.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
6546.7 |
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第111案財政部行為修正想問某營業人一頁水晴宣點財政委員會見交財政委員會宣讀完畢予以通過下議案第111案財政部行送營業人開立電子發票應傳輸至財政部電子發票整合服務平台存債券資訊範圍及實現票及修正統一發票使用辦法第7條第20條之一第32條條文財政委員會見交財政委員會宣讀完畢予以通過下議案 |
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6549.801 |
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6552.644 |
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第112案 財政委員會見交財政委員會 宣言完畢第113案 財政委員會見交財政委員會 宣言完畢 |
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6570.559 |
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6597.416 |
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第114案金融监督管理委員会海文修正证券投资顾问事业设施标准第24条条文财修委员会兼交财政委员会宣传为毕第115案金融监督管理委员会海文修正证券投资信托事业证券投资顾问事业经营全权委托投资业务管理办法第17条条文财修委员会兼交财政委员会宣传为毕第115案 |
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6598.317 |
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6618.573 |
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第一页六案金融监督管理委员会海门修正证券投资信托基金管理办法部分条文证券投资信托事业募集证券投资信托基金公开说明书应行记载事项准则部分条文及有价证券等为融资融资标准财政委员会见交财政委员会宣读完毕 |
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6620.495 |
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6645.529 |
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第一一期案金融監督管理委員會函送證券投資信託及顧問法第3條第3項第3款授權核准之證券投資信託事業的經營之業務相關規範請書員會見交財政委員會宣布完畢第一一項案金融監督管理委員會函送證券投資信託及顧問法第4條第3項第3款授權核准之證券投資顧問事業的經營之業務 |
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6647.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
6648.671 |
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不予通過下言不予通過下言 |
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6664.306 |
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6687.498 |
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第一二零案核能安全委員會國防部海外修正軍事機關輻射防護及管制辦法財修委員會兼交交集文化外交集國防兩委員會宣布完畢第一二一案交通部海外修正澎湖國家風行特地區艾門及領土濱海遊記區禁止事實上的地點規定財修委員會兼交交通委員會宣布完畢 |
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6689.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
6718.465 |
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第一二二案 交通部海維修省澎湖國家風景特地區大火業鑄狀水母岩油氣區競爭事項 第一點規定陳修緣會兼交交通委員會 宣告完畢故意通過 下一頁第一二三案 交通部海維修省交通部公路局工程材料技術所試驗收費標準 第三條附表陳修緣會兼交交通委員會 宣告完畢法院委員會本案由台灣民眾黨團體改交審查本案交交通委員會審查 下一頁 |
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6718.956 |
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6718.976 |
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第1、2、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、38、39、40、41、42、43、44、44、45、46、47、48、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50 |
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6728.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
6757.113 |
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第一二五案 交通部海维修镇民宿管理办法第八条第二十七条集体三十九条条文 财修委员会见交交通委员会 宣布完毕第一二六案 交通部海维修镇刑事动作简单免经检验或认可追养物和无人机病治一百十四年时与抑郁身受 财修委员会见交交通委员会 宣布完毕第一二七案 交通部海维修镇旅行业管理规则 财修委员会见交交通委员会 宣布完毕 |
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6758.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
6779.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
第128案 交通部海外修正航空系飞航作业管理规则部分条文及部分附件 财修委员会见交交通委员会 宣布外并第129案 交通部教育部海外修正观光文学艺术作品奖励办法部分条文及第6条副表 财修委员会见交交通教育局文化联络委员会 宣布外并 |
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6780.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
6803.815 |
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第130案 国家通讯传播委员会航文修正 宣传电信事业端借主义事项第三年级第五点规定 承受委员会兼交交通委员会 宣布外并第131案 捷径院公共工程委员会航文修正 工程技术顾问业 个人资料等安全维护进化及处理办法第六条付表 承受委员会兼交交通委员会 宣布外并第131案 |
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6804.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
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第132案 出為發展部還沒修正 第一性事業普及服務管理辦法部分條文及第10條附件二 裁修委員會兼交交通委員會 宣讀完畢予以通過下一案第133案 出為發展部還沒修正 第一性號碼申請及合佩辦法部分條文 裁修委員會兼交交通委員會 宣讀完畢予以通過 |
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法院會第34案之211案請依序宣讀其中第142案、143案、150案、160案、163案、167案台灣民眾黨黨團體改交審查宣讀之後以上提案均改交相關委員會審查其餘議案均照委員會意見通過請問院會有異議沒有異議我們宣讀之後通過請宣讀 |
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第134案 指第36案 內全部第137案 指第161案 經濟部第162案 指第165案 農業部第166案 指第167案 財政部第168案 指第170案 金融監督管理委員會第171案 指第205案 交通部第2.6案 指第208案 國區退出官僚輔導委員會第209案 農業部第210案 指第211案 工業交易委員會韓維113年度中央政府總算付出單位運算決議 |
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請宣讀第212案 |
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第212案 北院经费经合委员会行为本129届经费经合委员会任期届满资检送工作报告请推派下检委员财修委员会见交党团协商会处理宣读完毕全院会有異议没有異议我们就通过报院会第213案以下一并宣读宣读之后均准予备查请宣读 |
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第213案追替216案為本院僵尾及文化、外交及國防交通司法計法支委會函為院會僵尾處理或審查國立故宮博物院113年度中央政府組的算處一檔案業餘處理完略第217案為本院國民黨等團函為該等團原推辦議員之委員為國家發展基金不當投資及管理事實調查委員會委員 |
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改推派陈玉珍委员担任第二一方案为本院国民党党团行为改推举周慧明担任客船水银会委员水产会委员第二一方案为本院国家发展基金不到投资及管理事实调查委员会还请国家发展委员会及行政院国家发展基金管理会提供资料 |
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第2202委本院议事会报各统团推取社会公正人士组成财团法人公共电视文化事业基金会第8届董事机场人审查委员会委员名单质询事项本院委员质询部分本院委员追求等向行政院提出质询公然件宣布完毕 |
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現在我們對行政院長施政方針及施政報告總質詢繼續在進行質詢之前我們先請民事長報告部會首長請假情況報告院會行政院來函外交部林部長佳龍本日上午因公請假由吳次長至終代表列席客家委員會谷主任委員秀飛本日因事請假報告完畢 |
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現在我們開始進行質詢首先請黃婕委員質詢柯之恩委員請準備好謝謝主席我們先請院長 |
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麻煩請左院長備選好 謝謝院長 我們先來看一個10秒鐘的影片喔 |
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好短短的幾秒鐘雖然沒有聲音但是這個畫面中已經非常的清楚一個80歲的彥老師前天在花蓮被暴力的對待那這樣被拖出會場那甚至是用推拉然後把他架離會場我不知道說院長看到這個影片有什麼感想 |
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當然人民有舉行各種集會的自由如果是一個公開的集會那國人也有參加的自由那當中也應該保障他發言的權利那如果是現場的維持秩序也要基於合理的方式那對一位在花蓮地區廣受尊敬的葉霸老師能夠 |
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用這種方式我想昨天在網路上已經傳閱相當多引起各種不同的討論那我覺得在場的員警應該負責維持治安的一個秩序的工作 |
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謝謝院長這就是我想要在這邊請託院長的因為昨天前天看到這個畫面我非常驚訝的是旁邊就有員警但是員警看到這樣子的暴力行為竟然沒有出手制止來維持現場的秩序甚至是保障現場弱者的安全這一點讓我非常的驚訝 |
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那接下來還有非常多的公民想要參與這些公民行動那我認為執政部門行政部門最重要的責任就是保障所有公民可以在非常安全的環境之下來行使他們的公民權無論是過去這幾天我們已經聽到說有一些地方的選委會地方的互證人員已經假公濟私介入開始查水表 |
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那甚至是有一些警察執法過當的行為又或者是像這個員警在現場卻放任暴力的行為我希望接下來我們的所有的公部門都可以在這樣的情況下來讓人民安心可以嗎 |
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我會要求同地方的警察單位徹底的了解當天員警在面對這樣的一個行為的時候應該基於保護國人的需要他應該有所行為的那麼這個應該從地方來檢討開始那麼我也會要求內政部警政署也要去了解整個事情的始末那麼這個事情應該成為全國所有警察人員在執行工作上面一個很重要的一個借鏡 |
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好謝謝院長的承諾那我也希望接下來所有的公民行動都可以受到安全的保障那再來我們講一下海嵐的事情喔可不可以也請我們那個管主委同時好那我前面先請教一下院長喔因為其實最近這個海嵐不斷的出事讓國人非常的擔心兩個月以來海嵐斷了四次 |
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那其實這是讓人非常擔心的是因為現在這個海欄其實已經佔了全球的九成多的數據量那也是我們通訊的骨幹那我認為說這個重要性真的不言而喻也是我們非常重要的關鍵基礎設施那這個一月跟二月的這個事情一開始是這個基隆的海欄招報這個中國的權宜輪順心三九那一次一月嘛那二月這一次是直接有看到說這個權宜輪紅太 |
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也是相關的事件那這樣的事件不斷的在發生那其實我們也知道說這個中國在海上的這個惡霸的行為已經不只是針對台灣附近包括菲律賓、韓國、日本都曾經受到中國的船隻的挑釁那我們是不是應該做點什麼呢是不是跟周邊的民主國家應該要建立共同聯防的機制 |
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那當然這個有一個例子啦最近其實波羅的海相關的周邊的國家北約相關他們已經有先進行了一次的會議那也有提到說要啟動這個波羅的海哨兵的海上的任務來共同防禦來強化海上的安全那其實我們1月國防外交委員會也有開過相關的專案報告 |
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那時候也說是不是要開始啟動了然後跟周邊的國家開始聯繫我不知道說這個相關的進度我們是有的嗎我們是不是有開始做一些預防以及接下來的防範的措施我首先向委員答覆在之前我們對於海嵐破壞 |
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我們覺得非自然因素的時候我們就啟動第一次的整體性的包括國安系統的整個討論跟決定我們先把海嵐再把它重新定義納入國家關鍵基礎設施這個是我們第一層的保護 |
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那在整個的會議討論過程當中我們也建立了後續如果有發生類似行為每個單位他必須在即時發揮什麼樣的效果那這一次我很感謝海委會海巡署的同仁們就是照那樣一個行為標準跟機制在最快的時間內去到現場制止而且把這個船扣留下來那同時我們也發覺到我們的這個海巡署現在所有的 |
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船艇艦艇它的這個數量配備都還有所不及我們要跟周邊國家做合作我們必須從我們本身來強化作曲所以關於我們的艦我們的艇必須要做強化之外上面的設施海委會也提出了相當完整的一個計畫那麼在一個執行的過程當中我們會來 |
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配合海委會的計畫我們想重塑的來優先把它提升它的整個能量那至於整個執行的過程是否容許管主委來做一些說明 |
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好 謝謝院長當然我請管主委上來也是想要給海巡人員打氣啦因為最近真的太辛苦了從去年相關的中國的船隻包括漁船的侵擾包括這個脫斷海欄的事情還有包括這個搭快艇想要偷渡的事情真的一再的發生那這個都是海巡署非常辛苦的工作所以我也希望藉這個機會來幫所有的海巡人員打氣那是不是也請管主委來說明接下來所有的防範措施 |
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是非常謝謝委員委員在內政委員會也長期持續的在給我們的海巡同仁加油打氣在這裡也特別感謝委員那今年一月份到現在總共我們的海嵐斷纜的事件有六次其中有三次是自然的斷裂是非人為的因素那另外的三次呢有兩次是中國的權宜輪所造成有一次呢還是主委可能麥克風要近一點 |
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一次是我們的漁船所造成那麼院長曾經在興順39號的事件發生了以後親自主持了會議我們跨部會的會議其他國安系統我們也有很多跨部會的會議在進行目前我們請大家放心就是說航港局總共已經列出了96艘應該要予以密註的在台海周邊滯留 |
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有需要密駐的96艘的權威輪這96艘海巡署依據他們的威脅程度分成沒有威脅 低度威脅 中度威脅跟高度威脅高度威脅有兩艘 中度威脅有八艘這次的宏泰58就是中度威脅的八艘中的一艘那請國人放心我們對於海嵐的維護 |
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剛剛院長所說的我們在興順39號之後列為關鍵基礎設施我們的防護就好幾層的防護就已經都建立了起來第一層我們的速發部非常成熟的已經建立了一個備援的系統所以這幾次的斷纜事件我們的備援馬上就到位沒有影響到太大甚至於沒有影響 |
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這個是第一層的維護那另外中華電信自己他們也有船隊平常就在做巡查而這96艘密駐海巡署我們透過雷琴監控的情況之下我們會有預制的行為 |
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這次的紅太168或者是紅太58這次的紅太事件我們就是事先去預知我們在半夜12點多的時候就出發2點半到現場它是3點03分的時候斷纜3點08分的時候它要起碼要走 |
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3點24分中華電信來報案的時候我們人就在現場所以這一次我們因為預知所以可以是現行犯我們就把他押回來那麼另外呢大家看到這個船非常的大我們要登檢非常的困難 |
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我們這一次壓到半路的時候對方還情緒化不願意配合所以我們還沒有進港就趕快在外海的時候就先登檢那有關於這個部分國防部顧部長我們也很感謝就是說國防部也已經和我們即將要進行雙方的兵推跟雙方的SOP的建立將來我們在壓這個船回來的過程當中如果遇到困難國防部會 |
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介入來替我們介護我們會一起來防護這個事情那國際的部分也已經和駐台的單位也都有開過會那這個部分全球或者是說我們太平洋海域的聯防也非常的重要我們也會在國際之間分享相關的資訊那未來也會有國際聯防 |
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所以好幾層的防護有中華電信的有速發部的備援有中華電信自我的防護有港港局的監督有海巡署的防護那最後有國防部的協助之外還有國際的防護那我們會朝向這樣的一個計畫來進行到目前為止各方面都已經開始在聯繫建立了一個很好的防護的體系 |
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好 謝謝主委非常完整的說明那其實這件事情不只是國內非常關心前天其實歐盟也有針對台灣的這個事情發表關心那他們也希望說可以建立這個海蘭外交那從歐盟到我們亞洲其實都應該要一起加入這樣的聯防的體系 |
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那謝謝主委的說明那希望這件事情那當然接下來救責也非常重要那目前看起來救責相關的工具我認為是還要再加強其實可以參考澳洲有一個他們有設相關的禁制區那包括說這個如果有船隻經過是不可以隨意的停泊然後也不可以隨意的進行海面下的工作這個其實都應該要如果是從法律上的層面要加強的話我也認為我們海巡我們海委會應該要 |
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朝這方面努力好謝謝主委沒關係那先到這邊那因為我時間有限我必須要再講一個我們高雄非常重要的議題好謝謝兩位博弈首長那再來要請教院長時間不多我講非常快速就是前一陣子其實院長也有到高雄針對高雄是不是應該建立一個24小時的全新的國際機場這件事情來進行相關的討論那這件事情其實在很久之前 |
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在2009年的時候高雄我們督發局就已經有自己做一個相關的評估報告當時是參考說日本的關係機場因為當時日本關係機場有一些下線的事件那來評估說高雄是不是如果比較辦理的話有沒有一些技術的精進那後來也發現說這個呈現量是可以控制的那也發現說這個技術上都是可以再精進的也就是說如果技術可行的話高雄要做到這樣子填海造陸的新機場 |
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技術上或許非常可行而且在這個航線上又跟小港的空域是重疊的所以其實基本上如果高雄要做完全可以那我必須要講為什麼高雄現在非常需要是因為現在的這個空貨運的量雖然我們知道說陶基現在要做一個新的空貨運的園區嘛那這個量也只能到2040年 |
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那其實再往下該怎麼辦再加上說現在南部現在的需求非常大不只是客運還有貨運接下來都需要再往前看那是不是有相關的計畫呢 |
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好 跟委員報告 等一下請部長再詳細說明我們正在啟動一個台灣南北雙空港的計畫北部當然就是桃園機場南部就是在高雄那高雄要用什麼方式來啟動一個24小時全天候比較沒有飛航管制限制的機場也正在思考當中但現階段這個目的如果要 剛剛委員所說的填海那可能時間也是蠻長的 |
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在這一段高雄必須作為未來我們大南方新矽谷對南向的一個門戶也是大南關新矽谷的基地所以我們先把小港機場的新航廈的擺建擴建先把它做好 |
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第一期第二期在2032跟2040年完成那這個過程當中我們再來思考因為小港機場到底是有飛航的限制那未來我們如果啟動一個南北雙空港屬於南部的一個全天候的機場交通部應該還有一個新的規劃 請部長來答覆 |
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不好意思院長我先在這邊補充一下雖然說我們目前目標是看到2040年確實小港機場目前的擴建計畫三個行下然後也希望2040年接下來可以有相關的擴充可是小港機場的限制實在是太多了 |
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單跑道沒有擴充的空間你接下來有新的貨運都沒有地方放了這就是這麼現實所以大家都在討論說包括這個跑道的長度太短然後這個相關的空間你到底要去哪裡找還有宵禁的問題也始終沒有辦法解決所以大家才會一直往前看說是不是真的我們來找一個新機場呢 |
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報告委員確實交通部也一直在思考要有一個24小時沒有宵禁的機場所以從過去到現在我們經過12次的研究在南部各個地區去找那當然現在高雄市政府也有提出說南興計畫有沒有這樣子的可能那這個部分我們針對它的風向針對它的海流針對它的地質我們正在做研究 |
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或許是一個可以討論的方向那這個部分我們也正在研究當中不過我們現在比較急迫的是趕快把現在的小港機場讓它的運量可以增加然後還有委員非常關心的它的貨運的部分可以增加到一定程度 |
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接下來我們請柯智恩委員質詢張祺凱委員請準備 |
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謝謝主席 我們是不是請我們的卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢委員好院長好這個台積電宣布要投資一千億美元大概是3.3兆的台幣在美國建造的三座半導體廠還有包括研發中心那請問院長你是什麼時候知道這個消息的 |
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當然我們要正是說就是他甚至宣布的時候我們是同步的了解但是之前政府跟產業的接觸是平凡的而且是有效的所以你之前就知道這個訊息了嗎什麼時候知道的你之前就知道了嗎那你對你來說的話對美國來說當然是件好消息那對院長來說對台灣是好消息嗎我覺得產業界 |
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去做全球的佈局對台灣都是力量的延伸只要在合乎國家的戰略佈局當中我覺得這個都是晶片絕對是我們國家的戰略物資那你今天有特別提到的這可是創造互惠共贏我們大家就要問到底台灣贏到什麼我們台灣有贏到美國的安全保證嗎還是 很多人就質疑嘛因為台積電像是護國神山才已經變成川普遺山 |
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甚至政府有没有办法变成他们最大的靠山这是我们所讨论的因为这一次来说的话虽然你可以告诉大家这是全球的布局他日本有场美国也有场但是呢据说他这次去的是16埃米相当于一点 |
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6奈米在我们高雄男子是2奈米我们认为已经非常先进的可是他如果过去到美国的时候可以用到1.6奈米更先进而且他的研发中心都出去了难免会让他觉得我们是整个根都被刨掉了 |
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这是很多国人的疑虑而且你可以听到川普他今天所特别提到的如果台湾有事的话美国会被有很大的一个影响而且美国已经是因为台积电要过去了他们在这个半导体的产业上面具有很大的影响力院长你怎么看待对台湾还是好吗当我们的细顿似乎已经被销入的时候我们台湾的筹码到底是多还是少 |
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臺灣有事全世界都會受到影響臺灣有事中國也不會沒事那我們現在努力的跟世界有門國家所努力的就是維持印太地區我現在只夠問說台積電把所有的先進把所有的研發中心全部過去的最就是似乎是我們的戲盾已經被削弱了你對這件事情的看法我之前在這裡跟我原答覆的時候我說過我們希望達到四個原則第一個就是臺灣在這個製造領先的地位不會改變 |
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所以無論做任何的海外的投資 海外的設廠一定要維持台灣在至少領先地位好 那院長不好意思我知道你的四個部分你之前講過 那我要問一下經濟部長這件事情我們的投審會態度是如何因為你之前也告訴我們如果台積電要赴美的話你必須要有投審會的審查你敢跟川普說不嗎還是你覺得投審會根本沒有任何的部分就絕對是因為讓台積電過去了 |
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報告委員我想就投審會的部分我們當然依照現行的法律規範我們會來審查那你魏哲佳跟我們的川普都已經站在那個地方了你還要審查什麼我們這個對外投資就是要審查 |
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然後呢 結果呢 還要審查當然要審查好啦 我如果你審查了結果我們99.9%啦 應該是審查會通過嘛因為剛剛院長已經講過了台積電是佈局全世界嘛而且台積電已經高於台灣非常多的這個部分嘛 |
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那我请问就是这跟你过去提到的当川普提出了所谓的关税因为台积电要过去起码可以降低他在被克税的这样的一个危机稍微能够解决这个危机那部长也特别提到你21号当川普宣布要这个加重关税的时候你已经派次长江次长过去了嘛那个时候你告诉我们说你要跟川普的团队来对于关税问题做沟通然后到25号你被问到的时候呢你说 |
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不是沟通 是去情搜所以到底是去幹嘛 |
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我們當然是去情搜啊那你之前有沒有跟川普的團隊溝通到有溝通到台積電嗎我們不是去談判的團隊啊那誰是談判團隊我們這個行政院有談判辦公室應該就是嘛 經濟部就是你就是談判的團隊我只說你情搜到台積電要過去嗎因為你當初是去溝通你後來變成情搜所以我只問你情搜到什麼你真的就像中華隊情搜可以贏球那你情搜到什麼美國的環境是怎麼樣 |
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所以你獲得了台積電這一項的一個情搜的資料了嗎有沒有這一塊有沒有在你的情搜範圍當中我們只是去華府我們並沒有到那個亞利桑那去你們沒有所以你們曾經到什麼地方我們到華府啊 |
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那有最很高的成績嗎可以了解整個產業的需求然後有對台灣未來跟美國這些所謂不管經濟安全的這項的物資有做出什麼樣的一個很好的一個情緒的自爆給帶回來可以給我們作為很大的參考嗎 |
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我們去不是為台積電當然不是部長我只是要告訴你當你2月11號你告訴我們要去溝通然後你後來告訴我們要去勤搜我只是院長我真的認為如果只是勤搜的話請低調的去請低調的回來不要讓大家覺得好大的一個症狀然後之後結果告訴我不是溝通然後只是勤搜 |
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我覺得這是在用詞上面我們必須要去做個很精準的好接下來我還是要請兩位我還是要請院長我要問一下打詐的問題等一下我還有能源問題要請教部長但部長你可以先回去休息一下我們先來問一下打詐 |
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院长我还是要让你看一下一个一个数据啊打仗目前来说全民都在受苦但是呢你看到没有这是我们根据我们公开的资料里面提到的110年的时候呢我们才损的金额是56亿院长113年是502亿 |
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你可以看出这个巨幅的差距吗而且你看看我们那时候在110年只有24000件到了113年竟然有高达12万多件你看这个诈骗的金额可以说是110年的9倍那你如果要看起来的话我可以跟院长讲 |
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這個時候平均一天是336件詐騙我們一天是損失1億3769萬那院長當你看到數字差距這麼大的時候你不會產生懷疑嗎好 謝謝委員我也承認打詐這件事情國人的關心政府的努力 |
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還遠不及國人對政府的要求這個我們清楚所以我們每天每天都在精進那為什麼數字上會有這麼大的一個變化我們從去年九月開始我們是改變了整個統計的數字這一點要讓國人知道很好 院長我給你這點肯定我們再來看一下的確是這個樣子 |
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因為你看你們改變了一個數據所以我明顯調列出來了嘛你看九月跟八月就差距很多嘛你看你到了八月的時候你還是只有14億而已喔可能你到了八九月的時候竟然就到86億這代表什麼因為那時候警政署還有所有相關單位都告訴我們之前因為人力不足嘛秦松有問題嘛所以我們只能用比較容易破能把它登錄上去九月之後就幾乎人家只要一報你就登上去嘛對不對這代表什麼 |
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代表九月之后处理是对的代表八月之前拍摄院长部长们表示我们有很多的黑数吗对不对就表示我们国人过去在过去110年到去年到今年八月去年八月之前我们有很多的黑数那个金额就不止只是我们所看到的那样而已吗没错吧 |
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用黑數可能過於簡單的形容但是統計方式的不一樣那就是因為你看五百多億一個行為人針對十件案件以前可能是一件現在變成十件五百零二億跟八十八億這個差距真的是有點大我只能提醒你過去所公布的數字真的比我們大家所感知的數字差距太多但是我還是給你肯定九月之後這樣做是對的好不好我們給予更多的人力以後就繼續這樣子 |
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變化讓大家知道是有在努力我們還會更努力但是很可怕五百多億一天就要一億多院長這很恐怖但是你看我們這邊的倡狂對啊我們這邊的倡狂可是你看我還是調列出來你看我們過去從2016年打詐這個犯罪中心然後你又把它變成打詐國家對又變成打詐辦公室然後你現在變成行政院打擊詐欺指揮中心 |
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院長啊白天換來換過去就像那個騙數騙來騙過去喔還是讓我們達到506億啦院長這是很恐怖的數字啦我再次的說明我們的努力跟人民的期待還是有落差但是我還是強調那句話 |
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越打越多 而是不打會更多但我們持續在 今年從春節之後各項的數字是在明顯緩緩的下降這個是每週的數字好 所以我們現在記住了 現在是五百零多億我希望明年 在在那不要明年啊 像會期如果你還在的話我希望我得到的一個數字會比現在的數字來的在如實呈報之後這個數字就會往下降我們共同來期許好不好請部長說明一下 簡單說明 |
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謝謝委員的關心我想也因為是立法院有通過打詐司法以後內政部跟其他四五個部會都可以成立這樣子打詐的一條龍這樣子對於防止打詐或者是說對打詐的真實性會呈現給國人面前當然我們還是需要努力 |
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也請委員多多指教數字上面呈現的連我自己都遭受過被詐騙的一個經驗對不對所以這個經驗已經完全是我們人民那個日常給予你最大的一個期許但是我覺得這個數字就像如實的呈現但是確實在緩緩下降當中我們就來看看我們還是從一年當中來去看待這才是最真實的好不好 |
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千萬不要為了美化數字而做的很多其他的一些事情好感謝那接下來我們來關切一些能源的問題啊我還是要特別強調當我們全世界都走向核能的新紀元的時候呢恭喜2025終於可能要變成非核家園了但是我還是要請教院長啊當全世界越來越多國家想要增加我們對核能這個所謂新技術的研發的時候呢我們今年可以說是個非核 |
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那我們國民黨身為最大黨我說實在的我們主張把非碳家園來取代非核家園所以我們提出一些的修法我們想要問院長跟部長對於非碳家園這樣子的一個走向你們的看法是如何非碳家園難道是連火力連天然氣都不能嗎因為它都是有碳的 |
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我就我只能告诉他说非碳来说的话是未来的全世界的一个趋势所以我们会对于今年的这个核子反应器的设施管制办法我们会提出的修法行政院会有相对的版本出来吗对这件事情你说核管法核管法目前的规定我们是照核管法的规定我们会提出修法行政院的态度会是什么 |
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大院的任何的法律院預算我說過只要符合憲法為什麼我要特別提出這個問題只要是經過充分的討論民主的程序你經過非常多社會的對話你也告訴我們政府可以全面討論有關於核能技術而且你承諾在我們這個核電廠除役之後所有相關人員也不會離開這是院長講過的不要求台電要做什麼因為他們還有很多核後端的工作要做是沒有錯 但是也有很多核的技術 |
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可以在面臨核能的技術這是世界趨勢但是院長你知道嗎台電正在規劃要撤裁核能發電處院長你知道這件事嗎他們要撤裁喔台電內部有這麼規劃不知道但是整個政策是一致的核能新技術的接觸討論是開放的我們對核二端的處理還要持續進行 |
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这些人员都是最有经验的所以你知道你知道他要撤财核能发电处你知道目前来说他们里面的人都是核工的人才他们就在质疑对自己的前途是非常的忧虑他们认为要发展新的核能这部分谁来当你把它撤财之后这些人难道未来只能管理核废料吗还有一件事情 |
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你也可以反映在我們未來在很多國公費的流考當中我們沒有和工這一項我們和工過去所培養的人才現在全部被美國所有因為世界各國都需要核能的技術我們過去所培養的人才全部送過去我們反而在未來培養人才當中沒有這一項技術所以院長你真的不要告訴我我們對於核能 |
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以民進黨當家還在對這一方面還是有所謂的一個會跟對話的空間像目前看不到我們是有這樣的空間也有這樣的準備請部長來答覆這個問題報告委員這個核能發電處您說要規劃財政 |
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我是台電的主管但是我沒有收到這樣的訊息那你回去問一下好了可能內部的訊息我們比你更清楚院長的要求是這一些同仁雖然現在已經降載了但是人員都要保留 |
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沒問題部長這是台電內部裡面你如果有的話請你明天你馬上打電話去問就知道好不好馬上給本席最後的一個結果我覺得這個就是一翻兩瞪眼有沒有再說馬上就可以看得出來但是我還是要討論啊因為 |
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台电的目前来说的一个亏损的状况以至于我觉得上次的部长台说你愿意用很多的方法来求得我们能够给予台电2000亿的这样一个播组这是我们彼此之间的对话但是部长你知道院长你知道吗台电如果说是这样不断的用这个拨补的方法还是没有办法解决台电的亏损因为核心的问题是在什么因为我们当然知道再生能源非常的重要但是呢以目前我们台湾的发展来说购电成本大幅的增加 |
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所以你卖的电越多用的电越多我们台电的亏损就越多嘛这是一个数据嘛过去我们可以告诉大家2022到2024的时候我们这个所谓的燃料支出因为恶务战争的已经过去的整个的成本已经下降了所以你完全很出来了我们的支出已经减少了一百1130亿啊但是我们购电的成本却来到了3095亿 |
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你可以看得出來我們如果跟2022比起來的話我們是多增加645億如果你再回到116年的106年的話2016年的話那是增加的1935億如果我們的再生能源是這種方法的話其實你在多補多少是沒有辦法的我們再來看你這個東西每年都要再去上去漲所以說你如果是這個方式繼續下去的話院長我們4月是不是要調漲電費 |
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而且可能到百分之九以上的這個電費是不是每當我們持續這個問題的時候你們就告訴我喔這就是國民黨黨預算所以非得如何真的不是這樣事實擺在這個地方嘛你看台電自己自發的電力火力發電2.87啊你外購就要3.46啊你風電 |
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6.59啊就是比别人还要多啊这是个事实摆在这个地方就诚如我刚所说吧你用电越多你买电越多你的亏损就越多嘛那这里面到底有没有有些问题当然有你看以风电来说是最贵的风电出了什么问题过去来说 |
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同意里面发展再生能源但是我们整个策略是有问题的你刚刚看风电开发我们刚开始是台电向我们的这个开发商来购电对不对那银行因为看到台电嘛就台电不会倒啊就会给融资这没有问题后来你发现大家看到没有这个阶段 |
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但是現在來說的話能源政策裡面現在風電要開發目前來說因為受不了了你就開始要找到別的機構我不曉得經濟部是誰想出綠電信保機制CPPA你要風電商自己去找買家而且一買就要買20年 |
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没有一个厂商可以有一个公司可以说它可以到20年的所以呢很多人这个所谓的这个风电厂商想要撤掉这时候我们就告诉你公股银行全部来拒保可以但是呢又加上国产化加上这通膨又很多人很多的我们这个人就想要撤资这时候又找了我们这些什么人找了中钢中华电讯 |
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9018.62 |
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高鐵中油又進來做這樣的一個平台我真的不知道就像當初的中鋼總部在我們高雄我真的不知道這個海基這個所謂星達海基的事情64億的事情會不會因為這是你們要設置所謂受電平台台製電的平台又會造成很大的虧損如果虧損的話不是一句話就可以解決的64億這是過去錯誤的經驗台製電會不會也造成這樣的一個問題台製電的設置就是要符合現在的整個 |
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發電業跟受電業的這個生態也就是要解決這個企業不能每一次的購買20年的這樣一個限制把它扁平化之後能夠讓中小型的企業也能夠來買這是一個理想當然是你現在都把公股拿去做擔保了你現在把這一群國營事業全部跳下去了我根本覺得這不是交替 |
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這一方面是解決這二十年的問題一方面也是我們解決中小企業能夠未來你當初興達海淀的六十之一你也告訴我要解決這個問題最後的結果就是他們虧損的六十之一這是一個擺在的一個事實所以為什麼為什麼現在你的售電平台的時候大家就覺得台電已經虧損沒有辦法所以找這些 |
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這些的供應單位一起來承擔這個受電平台服務的性質是最大的它不是要來盈利的它不是要來從中得取利益的它是服務這些更多的越跳綠電的中小企業我們也很希望往這方面來前進但是我已經點出了一個問題就是因為不斷的是這樣所以真正解決很多我們用電的問題其實你已經覺得要開放一個空間來做一個對話的空間你要不要看 |
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我们光是在这个能源的问题上面国民党内部就有很多不同的一个争议我们大家说为什么要帮民进党的这个错误的能源政策来买单就让他这样子可是身为最大的大业党我们听到的非常多企业的声音包括你的童子贤董事长也特别提到的新晋的核能也是一个选项部长刚上任的时候也同意从企业界来 |
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所以我这么个人就好好的开放很多的这个专家是已经帮你看出来了如果你能够用心经的方法再让我们合能的部分其实台电的亏损可以达到最低最低甚至可以翻身这个东西已经有那么多人来提到我只是希望 |
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能夠終結台電虧損的方法不用部長再用自身的保障只要我們每年撥補你你辦部長你也很辛苦欸欸很辛苦你也是我們民眾人齁但是大家說每次說我今年要撥補兩千你要如何如何明年說我要撥補兩千幫台電做這麼背書你直接講能源政策應該做修正符合世界的趨勢這才是我們應該走的道路嘛對不對報告委員我可以回答 |
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那個我們的撥補不是說來補我的虧損而是在補我們過去 |
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政府體驗民間一般的用電戶我們是補貼那個不是來補貼我經營上面的虧損部長這我們的認識有點落差我的撥補也不是只有補台電的部分我現在的撥補是告訴你如果你用這個方法剛剛的數據也告訴你用這個方法一直下去不管是對於我們電價的平穩或是對台電的一個虧損 |
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能源的政策如果照這樣走下去還是一句話用電越多賣電越多我們的虧損就越多這是目前我們所看到的數字好不好三句話跟委員答覆第一個虧損因為戰爭的因素大家都知道了那已經過去了因為我們的成本已經下降了這幾年當中現在看這幾年當中台電 |
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快速的而且很多的電廠都在更新要投入更多的資產這個也是一個成本的負擔再來我們希望用企業的管理精神讓台電財務能夠自主所以部長也講過未來的兩年 |
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如果大院跟我們合作我們一起讓台電過去的虧損因為補貼政策的虧損能夠彌補我們來讓它能夠進入一個正常的狀態我們今天在這個地方呢我可以聽得到下次我在質詢兩位的時候呢我應該可以期待我們的詐騙數字會下降我們對於台電的撥補會下降然後我們的用電也會平穩可能四月可能在這個漲價的這樣子的一個危機上面我們可以解除我們也期望做到這個地方好不好我們就來看看 |
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我們所提出的本席只是提出可能發生的問題用數據來告訴你我也期望部長跟院長可以把這些狀況把它回去做一些的釐清好接下來還是需要大院的合作配合大院很想合作大院其實我們對於總預算各方面我們都很想合作如果不想合作的話為什麼我們要總統要喊起我們韓院長召集這麼多人來做這樣子的一個協商這個協商被你們的總召給拆台了 |
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就被他拆台了然後你還提出復議我覺得這個部分這個要從盤古開天開始說起來院長我的時間有限了好不好我的開始是成功的一半我需要另外一半 |
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問題是你一剛開始就不成功了一開始就被拆台了還有什麼好面牆下去的問題為了好的開始你旁邊就給你拆台了我們需要另外成功的另外一半我們還是繼續那你成功另外一半就不是柯總召了你拜託這位姓柯的可能好一點啊好的開始大家共同來談現在已經開始了院長已經開始了我覺得這個開始已經不是一個需要另外一半我們尋找可以跟你match的另外一半我們來看看急診室的問題 |
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9341.183 |
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谢谢那个郭部长你可以先下去休息了我们来看看急诊这已经是非常非常多了我现在最后其实要帮这个急诊室的这些所谓的护理人员来说话因为我们本席的办公室里面不管在高雄到台北都受到非常多非常多的一个陈情啊我现在只请问 |
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9360.444 |
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目前來說真的跟所有的不管是第一線的護理人員來看的話每年增加至少三十億這是你們所承諾的而且這是抓到點了終於從二月十八月十三到二十四開的三場會議之後都是被大家罵爆了終於提出三十億這個部分來說的話部長 |
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9362.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
9385.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
有沒有辦法直接撥到護理人員的帳戶當中不用被醫院東扣西扣就像以前我們在COVID的時候即使撥補了有很多真的進到這個護理人員的這個帳戶裡面其實已經所剩無幾有沒有辦法利用這個部分裡面直接撥補到他們的帳戶裡面有沒有辦法做到報告委員我想如果是健保這個部分如果他已經被內到 |
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9402.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
我剛講的問題是非常簡單的因為像目前來說你每年增加30億嘛那其實我說實在的對於護理人員最重要的就是我們的友善醫療環境嘛我們的友善的醫療環境嘛 |
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9405.569 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
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薪水提徵我說實在的不是唯一的方法但起碼你可以讓大家覺得他的付出的辛勞是有的你看看馬建業院長每天在蓋章護理師每天欠缺這也是國安問題非常嚴重而且部長你是醫生出生的你也知道急診如果遭到開刀房會影響到我們的品質你知道現在最大的狀況是什麼現在最大的狀況是資深的 |
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我们现在出我们完全资深的被抄到离职新来的被吓到离职那这完全是个恶性循环呢不是吗这目前所反映的一个状况已经反映非常久了所以你看我们现在目前所整理出来跟所有各团体所整理出来的 |
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你即使你們所開出的藥方基本上對於醫護沒有辦法你把降低然後要多增加所謂的護理人員就沒人要來扣沒人要一百啊大家怕也怕死所以這個部分你們看而且新人沒有集戰力而且我剛所提到的嘛出售比例變得很大而且你要比較一下幾年前我們的護理師的平均年資 |
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6.5已經跟歐美來說十幾年來說已經變低了現在更是而且你所提出的夜班的獎勵其實我說實在也是反效果我們大家只是在問醫師總統為什麼其實你讓我們的醫療單位其實瀕臨一個非常危急崩潰的一個狀況我們來看一下嘛到底我們到底我們有沒有對護理人員真的有沒有做到承諾院長你應該知道嘛過去你看 |
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在2013年的11月的時候醫師節的時候賴總統我們的賴醫師特別承諾推三班護病比入法每年至少200億來提升醫療人員的待遇現在你對到底是性賴護理還是臨時護理這是你們當初的承諾現在到哪裡去了跟委員報告至少我們在今年已經編列了66.85億在公務預算裡面做事件工作第一個就是推動三班輪值 |
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護理人員的直接獎勵第二點是三班護病筆達到達標醫院的獎勵達標醫院給醫院的獎勵第三個是你說的護理新手導師的制度來來來 院長院長這個是友善職場 |
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來來來 我跟你講 你看 你們就念茲在這就要講這個護理導師的這個部分來 我們看最後一頁裡面你講啊 這是你們念茲在這認為十二項護理人員的政策的準備計畫你們把它拿出來當神一樣 當聖經一樣其中我可以講出來護理新手臨床導師制度是3.6億 沒錯吧 部長你覺得這是德政 你看3.6億到底用在什麼地方 我告訴你 |
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护理师特别是资深的护理师告诉你他本来的工作完全就用不完的还要带一个新进的而且新进的很难带最重要是你要申请这些经费你还要写报告你要写计划书你们写羊羊杀杀你去问第一线的护理人员谁给你写计划书谁要帮你带新进人员你还告诉我你有3.6亿你到底有没有用对地方你们还把它拿出来当圣经说你们做了12项对护理人员做得这么好 |
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这就像你去视察一样,你只看到表层东下出来,下到11条但是我只问两件事嘛,有没有办法薪资直接,30亿承诺的直接汇到我们护理人员的薪资里面,直接汇入第二,你告诉我的导师制,导师制就告诉你不是这样啦,3.6亿没人要申请啦 |
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我會背個報告一下 |
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變成夜班的獎勵,那當然是直接就到婦理人員的身上你夜班獎勵又是被拿出來批評的因為大家覺得夜班獎勵就是相對的剝奪感你還把他拿出來當聖經補掉啊,你知不知道民間奇苦你真的是醫生出來的喔?還是醫生做醫生,你都看不見護士在辛苦啊 |
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護理人員的辛苦我們當然了解而且剛你說這個平均的年資6.5真的是沒有錯7年來看對護理人員是一個離職率最高的一個時期因為他有種種家庭個人的因素 |
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所以我們如何讓新進的人員能夠快速補充現在行政院跟考試院我們也建立一個考校用的平台希望未來能夠更實質的增加考用的人選能夠增加所以未來在考試的過程當中一定要比現在更優化不是降低 而是普遍性 |
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這個常識的水準能夠讓考試的人來進行到考試裡面來進到這個這就是你們所提出的策略但是我還是必須要說你前三次的最大的會議當中你們真的沒有問到基層人員我們為了這個急診室報診我們問了多少的團體訪談了多少的醫護人員他們真的還是很辛苦的告訴你你們真的是劃錯重點你不斷的希望有很多新人進來 |
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第一个新人吓都被吓走而且目前来说就像当初我们推行的长照设备一样教育部开放了非常多有关于长照类似的系统因为我们整个的医疗环境一点都不友善 |
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所以你去优化也没用你是护病笔也没用因为现在没有人你去哪里比啊你跟谁比啊你到底找谁来念啊你真是不管有没有优化还是门槛就是没有人因为大家已经被这个医疗环境给吓死了好不好要么不是被操死就是被吓死这是目前我们第一线的问题 |
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但是我還是跟委員報告兩年前我們的在職人員是8萬6千多人那現在是19萬3千多人還是有實質的進步只是他的流動率應該是蠻大你現在19萬是到什麼時候的數據今年1月的時候今年1月好那我們下次在質詢的時候我們再看看19萬19萬四五月畢業之後應該有一撥還會再增加起來院長 |
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你真的完全如果是這樣子的話我們的醫護人員不會馬街的副院長天天在簽離職書啦這個東西的話真的也不要美化是數字如果這麼厲害的話真的說實在的醫護人員不能只靠他們對於病患對於醫學的一個熱忱我們這個不是做功德的這個實質的一個薪資待遇我還是強調我恭喜在大家一日之講一句話部長聽進去 |
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基層的醫護人員就告訴你,現在不能改變太多,錢直接匯到賬戶 |
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好 謝謝柯志恩委員的資訊謝謝總院長 相關部會所長的備詢接下來我們請張祺凱委員請質詢 |
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現在大家都在關心今天凌晨我們的台電董事長魏哲嘉跟川普在白宮這個記者會我覺得 |
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現在政府有責任要跟全民交代我們有做的什麼樣的因應措施它有幾個點非常的重要第一個今天宣布的加碼投資一千億美金院長比你中央政府總預算的規模還大這是一個第二個它的先進的製程包括2奈米跟A16可能最近都要過去了 |
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這是多大的一個影響所以大家在問台積電已經開始在變成美積電嗎我們的復國神山台積電現在開始要變成掛筆刷了嗎像台南的半屏山嗎 |
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這是多嚴重的一個事情我要問第一個問題政府之前有沒有掌握第二個你們跟台積電跟美國有沒有溝通有做個什麼樣的因應措施政府當然了解產業界他們在全球布局發展的策略也跟他做 |
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密切的接觸跟討論過所以總統的狀況我們都我們也知道業界的立場業界也知道政府的需求這個是在國家最大利益的情況底下我們共同採取對全球服務的策略院長我們有責任跟民眾交代清楚這段時間的溝通是什麼樣子我先請教經濟部長我看你2281天了部長 |
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你還在拘舉跟民眾講說台積電要去美國我們正在積極地爭取研發中心要留在台灣可是今天早上的紀佳輝我們不只是先進的製程要過去了本來就已經有三座的經營廠第一個要增加三座先進的經營廠還有兩座先進的風車廠最讓我震撼的 |
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228那天還在講我們要積極爭取研發中心要留在台灣結果今天已經宣布了你留不住啦我可以回答這個問題嗎應該是記者聽錯了吧應該是記者聽錯了吧我是講說供應鏈半導體供應鏈的研發中心在台灣 |
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台積電的研發中心也是在台灣的所以又是記者講錯那問題更重要,沒有沒有,部長現在比較重要你講話被記者聽不下去第二個更重要的,你投審會要審啊對不對你剛才說嘛,剛才柯子恩問你關心審查的標準是什麼?就是我們最先進的先進製程 |
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要贏賴這個要差不多一個世代你不能夠隨便把最先進的放到海外去對不對我們現在最先進是什麼2奈米A16對不對你的投審會會擋下來嗎要不然的話你就違反規定喔我們就在依照規定在處理跟委員報告N-1或者是N-1的製程只有對中國採取這樣的一個措施所以兩個問題嘛第一個美國這次你是會放行的 |
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第二個這會不會本來是我們的優勢嘛為什麼要有這個規定最先進的留在台灣一段時間一個世代以後我們進步完以後才到海外去嘛 |
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你看你現在到德國 到日本都這樣美國現在 保定保定你本來的二奈米 本來計畫時間到美國是2028我們台灣今年年底才開始生產欸我們開始量產欸結果美國現在可能提早到今年底 明年就要了 |
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我們的優勢在什麼地方怎麼保障我們自己的優勢您的訊息可能是錯誤的啦美國的廠他第一廠只有4奈米在做現在今年開始要生產第二廠今年的才要開始去Ground breaking所以你在講那個假設不是那麼快就馬上可以做所以部長你今天保證喔 |
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保證我們最先進的二瀨米A16至少在明年底之前不會到美國去一定要保證我們今年底才量產我或許我也很敏捷可是為了台灣我覺得 院長你們是不是要極力去爭取把最先進的留在台灣我們今年底要量產的這個廠花了多少時間在台灣興建那怎麼可能明年到美國去呢很可能的事情 |
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你看人家新的廠已經亞利桑那已經開始要量產了宿舍廠沒有關係你今天只要前面院長跟部長你們今天只要保證明年底之前我們最先進的2奈米跟A16不會美國就有了好不好這個是當著前面的面當然就是這個樣子啊委員我保證明年2奈米跟1.6奈米的 |
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不會到美國生產今天部長清楚表示了另外今天台積電器做這麼大的一個投資 |
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不是只有經濟發展問題會不會影響到台灣的經濟第二個就是國安問題了有人講這個為什麼叫復國神山台積電提案家所以中國大陸大概不大可能來打我們美國也會救我們所以今天記者問了一個問題問川普他說如果中國試圖要孤立或者要攻打台灣台積電這次的這個新的投資是不是對晶片對美國的衝擊會降到最低 |
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川普怎麼說?他對於我們的安全,一句話都沒講他怎麼說?中國如果侵略台灣,這會是一場災難水巴裡面沒有講出來,要保衛台灣後面還有一句話你希望川普總統講什麼?他至少要說他愛護我們台灣啊,不是嗎?你不是一直口口聲聲在那邊要求嗎?那他說,台灣有事會有很大的影響 |
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這個會是一場災難如果是中國侵略會是一場災難院長你這樣的解讀是要捍衛台灣嗎這個災難是大家希望發生的嗎對啊不要發生可是你不期待我們在這裡每天的努力也是希望它不要發生啊而不是在這裡一直希望它如果發生會怎麼樣沒有我們希望台灣發生戰爭可是記者就是問他如果發生了攻打台灣或者故意 |
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美國的態度吧你不期待你身為院長身為台灣人你不期待今天川普嘴巴講出來是捍衛台灣保護台灣一句話都沒有啊現在今天執行的重點就是院長你們要積極去爭取他們捍衛台灣哪一個人或是哪一國的總統會希望全世界都有災難呢這很清楚嘛 |
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對啊 我們的心是一樣的啊可是我們根基於為什麼去保重啊記者問了說有這個事情他會怎麼樣啊他嘴巴裡面有講出任何要捍衛台灣嗎這就是你要去爭取的不是 我們要努力的是讓台灣不會有事那我們應該同樣的心而不是在這裡一直說如果有事怎麼辦 有事怎麼辦沒有事才是我們的目的怎麼樣才會不會有事你一天到晚要不要抗中保台你有去追求兩岸的這個和平嗎 |
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這個就是今天要談的一個重點為什麼現在台灣包含很多寫者連你們親歷的某些專家某些你們的親歷的民眾都講今天的烏克蘭會輪迴明天的台灣就是因為你們一直在講看天保台的時候沒有經過維護兩岸和平你們現在除了衝突衝突再衝突你們為了兩岸和平交流做了什麼事情嗎 |
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有嗎?院長我們希望兩岸能夠對等尊嚴的往來這個有開始嗎?我們一年去大陸有兩百多萬人他們來的有十幾萬人這樣有對等嗎?在不對等的情況底下委員只一直要求台灣政府做開放當然我們前面要團結一起來做為什麼大家會擔心今天的烏克蘭會不會是明天的台灣?今天最新的消息是什麼? |
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今天最新的消息川普已經下令停止了所有對烏克蘭的軍事的這個援助我就要問了來院長你們有沒有發現美國的外交政策已經翻天覆地開始改變了這是第一個第二個川普那天跟那天跟哲智他講了什麼話你聽一下來你看一下那天川普跟哲智直接講說什麼你 |
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已經沒有籌碼跟我講話了沒有美國武器的這個幫助你撐不過兩週你看他竟然已經踩煞車了現在烏克蘭,烏俄戰爭還在打喔美國竟然已經踩煞車了第二個這句話很重要我提醒院長他說你哲文斯基你在拿數百萬的生命賭博你在拿第三世界大戰賭博你沒有籌碼的你的人民正在死亡 |
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你快沒有病了我們強化自己保衛自己展現決心跟展現我們的行動力這才是真正的保衛台灣如果光講和平告訴委員和平是最溫柔的投降的用法而已 |
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院長你一直在強調你對和平是有努力的可是全民大家有那麼多的失意你到底做了什麼事你至少從澤倫斯基跟川普這個對話你至少看到幾個點嗎你們做了沙灘推演說如果碰到危機你要怎麼做了嗎針對他們兩個人這個對談我問至少第一個這是川普直接講他要他們的稀土要簽一個礦產的這個協定 |
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你沒想過,如果到時候兩岸有真正的衝突的時候,我們第一個要想到的不是只有美國又要派兵來幫你,要不要提供金氏元素啊?是要還的,我們拿什麼去還?先讓院長回答,如果美國跟這次要求烏克蘭一樣,要他的礦產,要稀土的一半,要天然氣的一半,要石油的一半,台灣有辦法給他嗎?台灣當然沒有辦法給他稀土啊! |
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對啊,有辦法給什麼?那你的籌碼是什麼?川普直接問曾志基啊,你沒有牌啊你沒有籌碼,你的牌是什麼?你一直在爭取最大的合體,川普你沒有把我們的牌、把我們的籌碼牌起來?你詢問這種危言聳聽的講法,對台灣是絕對不公平的我們有我們國家的尊嚴,有我們國家的利益之所在,有我們國家的主權 |
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我們有能力保衛台灣院長請暫停 院長你的意思你是像頭鳥把頭埋在沙裡面你連沙盤推人碰到危機要怎麼去應應都沒有嗎我們當然有應應啊講空話你都沒有準備嗎總統府開了這麼多次的國安保全規定要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要 |
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我們的金氏的這個設施,台灣民眾黨贊成提高到GDP3%啊第二個,你要去促進兩岸和平啊有嗎?像民進黨你去做個民調台灣民眾黨多少人認為民進黨是在促進兩岸和平了?沒,我看比例非常的低第三個,你要為人民的表率啊第二,台灣民意很簡單你們要身先士卒的話總統跟你們高官,上次我問過部長 |
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你要不要前面清查一下從那位總統的小孩到我們大官的這個小孩有多少人現在是在國外如果兩岸像你們講的這麼緊張可能會打起來你們要不要把這些小孩先找回來第一個請他們服役當兵 |
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我以為你這樣講傷害很多台灣人的感情在國外學習高等的技術或是做很多的產業的合作對台灣都不見得不是壞不是一些好事啊你這樣在講好像把以色列送到國外去是危險的事情以色列做的第一件事情包括媒體就是呼籲他們所有的高官全民皆兵都要回來 |
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他們丑女的小孩在國外被罵了斗殘啊馬上就回來我今天鄭重的要求沒有沒有你們不覺得讓抗爭導致兩岸合體不安這個才是讓台灣的士氣受打擊的我覺得我這個言論應該適可而止 |
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你要做好準備不是適合而止大家都希望沒有發生戰爭可是到底院長你們做了什麼所以我剛剛在提嘛第一個 該提高的這個金額我們自己提升自己 這個我們贊成的第二個 增加國防預算有意同意第三個更重要你們要人民表態如果你們從大選統到你們一些高官的小孩都在國外人民會怎麼看 |
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增加國防預算委員支持吧極其啊 提高三趴五趴的吧你們小孩有回來嗎我小孩沒有出去啊對啊 所以從蓋森堡到其他的當官啊在國外學習中心的技術這樣好像除了總統之外所有出去國外的小孩都有問題嗎先請暫停 先請暫停那這樣一概而論吧 先請暫停容許本席呼籲一下 麻煩張委員 行政院 |
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關於我們互相尊重 根據朝野協商時間共用 互相尊重張委員請繼續不要一竿子打翻一條船至少國外的人都有問題我們今天應該是很理智很理性的看整個美國的國際政治怎麼這樣子是非常現實不應該請暫停 請暫停 請暫停院長我要講話你不要插話好不好這樣怎麼質詢 |
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我是說不要用這種危言聳聽的不要用這種危言聳聽的方式請暫停 時間請暫停好 時間請暫停容許本席暫時宣告好不好我們時間共享讓我講完你再答好不好我前兩次你每次都是這樣插話到後來整個都失焦了今天執行張委員看一下我眼睛 |
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我們的執行非常的理性國際是非常現實跟殘酷的我們都希望台班不要發生戰爭不要掉入 |
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烏克蘭的這個困境所以我剛剛提了我們三個建議都非常的這個明確第一個可以提高軍事的這個採購跟設備我們台灣民眾是支持的第二個你要想辦法去避戰促成兩岸的和平我剛才講過了全台灣去做個民調很少人相信民進黨是要推動兩岸和平你每天在那邊看中保台第三個請做表率 |
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從代總統到高官的小孩先回來當兵加入你們一直在推動的民防士氣是為大政的好來我們現在接下來談你剛才說了包括總預算跟這個復議案跟這個大罷免你說只要找到好的方法找到另一半我今天現在我給你找方法跟找解方你現在對於 |
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中央政府總預算要提出復議案院長你知道嗎你是創了中華民國歷史有史以來第一次總預算提復議案的報告委員我要創這個歷史啊也要大院幫忙沒有你們提那麼多的案我也不會提那麼多的復議案就是因為你們一直在造謠一直在製造衝突到現在為止你必須要提復議案我們都幫你找過解方了院長你會聽聽聽看你下台是什麼時候我下台你上次當秘書長下台是什麼時候 |
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19年前對不對就是為了你做行政院的秘書長上次當秘書長是2019年的時候先不要插嘴你在19年前當行政院秘書長跟謝長廷下台不就是為了復一安嗎你們說什麼自愛燃刑陳水扁總統強調第一個 查委要和諧第二個 沒有什麼自愛燃刑 |
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現在你會不會因為一個總預算案要第二次下台大家眼睜睜看我跟他問你了你知道你們下台之後2006年你下台之後接任的行政院長蘇貞昌 |
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他來拜會立法院做了很好的一個溝通沒有發生你跟謝長廷當初講要提什麼復議案也沒有什麼行政院怎麼被癱瘓什麼自在燃刑啊2006年的施政很平順啊所以要問啊陳水扁那時候可以為什麼賴清德不行第二個那時候行政院長是不是應該行為什麼你說應該都不行 |
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人家都可以解決問題你說找解方這不就是我給你的解方嗎去學學當初陳水扁怎麼解決問題蘇貞昌怎麼解決問題要不然的話你就是一個無能的政府是一個耍賴的政府我可以請問一句話嗎今年的三減數跟今年的凍結數是歷史的新高多了過去的幾倍委員會算清楚這樣嗎這是歷史的新高嗎我跟你講你根本就是造謠我跟你講我給你看這什麼叫做歷史新高我不接受你說我造謠你根本就講錯話來看一下 |
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凍結是歷史上的新高嗎?今年凍結了,來一個來一個來今年凍結了多少?4.6%金額1381,對不對?4.6%你看一下從陳水扁民國90年度開始 |
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到馬英九16年裡面有8年啊二分之一凍結超過5%你那個叫歷史新高解凍的條件呢解凍條件你人家為什麼人家可以好好討論就可以說解凍我剛剛不是跟你講了嗎你為什麼不好好來溝通你們從一開始就是揹個造謠衝突一張衝突到現在皮膚一暗要到院會來才能夠解凍的條件是過去所有的嗎 |
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有啊 過去怎麼會沒有 每次只要是討論完之後都有啊是委員會還是院會 委員會還是院會我先抽過你第一個訪問 柏定院長 所以你的歷史新高 凍結的歷史新高被抽破了嘛 對不對沒有 條件也不一樣條件不一樣 好 數字會講話啦你看看 有8次都是超過58 比例都比你還高好 你如果從金額去看你是1381億凍結對不對 |
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你看有4年啦民國94年度民國95年度97年度102年度有4次的金額比你都高我最生氣的是 |
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2005年2006年這兩年度凍結的預算最多你怎麼可以睜著眼睛說笑話所以我請教委員解凍的條件一樣嗎解凍的條件人家孫章為什麼你沒辦法解凍這個就是你無能的地方耍賴的地方我沒有耍賴那為什麼孫章行你不行呢是你無理的地方 |
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如果你做不到 蘇貞昌人家可以做你就換人 讓有能力的行政院長來做再來看第二個訪問你說你要批復議案你的刪減數怎麼太多630 |
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這個636億沒辦法去自行調整第一我告訴你自行調整每一年地產業審計算自行調整都要有啊重要是你的主計長你的官員要在後面我們在協商的時候要跟我們一起討論你丟在那一開始就不來這是一個點你們貴的資產混亂 |
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這個是創歷史你是第一個總預算你創下第一個總預算提付議案第二個你創下一個非常糟的惡例每次立委在審預算財政部的觀點跟主席的觀點在後面隨時要去討論的這次有來嗎一次都沒有你們不溝通 |
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不過郭沖基我現在說什麼有問題你創了一個非常難堪的惡例好第二個我跟你講我幫你解我講一句話好不好你說六百聽我講完我也跟你講你說六百三十六億沒辦法調整我給你一個例子你看來我給你看民國九十一年你看二零零二年第一次議定是張進雄那一年立法院審查總預算做了一個重要的決定要你自行去刪減多少錢 |
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685億685億有比636億多對不對後來有沒有刪減成功你要講清楚啊這個是刪減數啊你現在提付議案不是兩個嗎你說凍結數立法院都被我戳到啦你講謊話被我戳到我只要講一句話就好了你不清楚立法院在刪減預算的要達到通商的數字是雙立法院談好之後 |
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請大家回去刪,而不是用表決的方式你們連來這邊提供意見的人也不來,蘇貞妮你有來嗎?你們的總召破壞整個草野協商怎麼談,破壞都是你們破壞的啊你們就是跟民進貴賺啦,衝突、造謠,弄到後來提出議題事件,外加就報告你們做了什麼事情 |
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你除了說衝突造謠之外還會做什麼就是一個衝突的行政院啊我剛剛跟你講我已經戳破了一個謊言你一直說你很理性的在質詢完全不是啦我們很理性的來看沒有完全不是啦我幫你找了解方2002年685億都可以自行調整為什麼636億沒辦法調整 |
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那是兩院談好之後回去自行調整為什麼張進雄行你這個郭榮泰不行那個是三檢稅入之後稅出一併同三檢回去自行調整不是現在這個狀況一個自行調整第二個要三檢三檢的685億你現在是對著前面講話你太不了解狀況了這個數據這麼清楚 |
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2002年 請暫停 請暫停我時間非常有限 讓我講完因為你錯誤的國籍我必須要讓你不要錯下去啊你可以回答 你每天在那邊開記者會很多時間 第一個2002年清清楚楚 對不對第一個 自行調整第二個 685億我現在要跟全民講 |
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張進雄行 為什麼卓文蓋不行你是無能還是無賴的一個行政院長你剛講說找解方我今天把解方都給你了不是解方啊 凍結凍結解方三檢有三檢的解方因為稅入調整 稅出併同調整跟這次不一樣這次是要我們回去把自己砍掉反正你已經提的不一樣了你以後繼續會被拆穿訪人了你會把他打得更腫來我來問一下因為最近電的事情很重要 我跟你談電的事情 |
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大家最關心可能這幾天電價審理委員要開了可能4月1號愚人節要漲電價可能是9%如果本席今天很清楚幫你找到三個解方可以找到錢你可以不要漲電價嗎請委員先講你的好方法來第一個我最近去一些工業區還有很多企業組來陳情說買不到綠電 |
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買不到綠電這裡面啊不只是土質可能還有土綠的這個問題本來如果你電綠電他買得到他的競爭力是會增加的啊對不對 碳權的這個碳稅的這個問題嘛結果一來我先問院長院長你知道我們一年台電買了多少電還有自己發電加起來綠電有多少 |
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我們多能綠電的發展還在發展當中目前我們台電有多少的綠電台電買多少的綠電我不要為難你們啦300億度然後更讓人家傷心也更加憤怒的台電已經買了那麼多的綠電現在企業都來講從小企業都來講說買不到你知道300億度電一年賣出去多少賣幾趴 |
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報告委員我們現在所以我上一次你在質詢的時候講說我的台製電為什麼這個讓這個中鋼啊誰啊他們來投資他一定虧損 |
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我們成立台自電的目的就是幫助您剛才所說的這些中小微企業如果他需要綠電的時候我們把這個綠電給他台電本身的綠電是售給大型的客戶我保證他20年購買但是中小微的企業他沒有辦法持續買20年 |
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部長你講這個管道我贊成你講這個管道我贊成可是你知道嗎你們現在開始台電也在賣RE30啦現在最嚴重是什麼買不到電你有300億度電結果我跟大家講台積電一年賣出去的力電不到10%這造成什麼企業買不到電產業受到影響第二個台電嚴重虧損 |
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你光是用最近RE30你賣的電費我去跟你講看一下現在的RE30裡面有百分之三十綠電這個你一度電是多少?六塊三三百億度電大家乘以下可以多賺五百四十八億結果你把那個百分之百分之十百分之九十都沒賣出去台電就有嚴重虧損然後再回過頭來漲人民的電價所以第一個企業輸 |
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台電輸人民又輸院長你不要搖頭你現在已經開始在賣RE30對不對我現在明確的要求你趕快把綠電賣多一點 |
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我剛算過了,你只要把它賣出去,至少一年增加548億根本就不用攘電價,不用什麼一直在發布而且這是部長跟院長,這是你們該做的我跟你講,我剛講賣出去就三贏,沒有的話就三輸而且這裡面老講,不只是肚子的問題你現在能源署的署長最近被彈劾了不只是肚子的問題,這邊圖利廠商因為你一直沒賣 |
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一堆綠電業者,包括我們銀豹跟民進黨比較有關係的賺了保保,人民一直被賞電價人民被賞電價,台電虧損民進黨比較親近的某些綠能業者賺保保 |
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委員因為他們被彈劾並不是因為他的清白問題而是他工作的效率問題被彈劾所以我請你說這個我的同仁還沒有被真正的確定之前請你不要跟他講說他清白問題部長我現在跟你講的是 |
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業者買不到電 結果你竟然90%都沒賣出去你要去趕快解決這問題這個部分我會檢討不只檢討 這個數字要非常快這是人民營 排電營沒有需求沒有那個需求 所以才賣不出去如果有需求 |
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每個人都要買要不然你現在推RE30做什麼RE30是從現在才開始需要有這個綠電的需求之前我們是供應他他還沒有被歐洲的客人有這個需求的時候他當然不會買啊有需求我們是先供應的我今天讓全民知道 |
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當很多企業在買不到電的時候我們台電竟然每一年賣出去的電的綠電不到10%造成了台電自己嚴重的虧損企業買不到電人家還在那裡漲電價所以第一個我今天明確要求去把這500多萬賺這樣會造成誤會啊真的是誤會啊過去沒有這個需求你說我們賣不出去企業企業怎麼會沒有綠電的需求呢不是啦 |
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企業現在要外銷現在國外的業者都被拖曜大的廠商都被拖曜第二個問你一件事情這個第二個是馬上可以做的至少可以成交400億的最近啊離岸豐電的很多進度都落後了依照你們簽的約光是一個引能豐廠啊經濟部應該罰他罰款熊介的西班牙為什麼沒有罰這個進度到哪裡 |
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你為什麼急著要漲人民幣的電價?為什麼急著要一千億波普?這四百億你是在圖利廠商嗎?還是你們賭職?這四百億大家要不要跑?我們不會圖利廠商我們不會圖利廠商那如果有您認為他是有問題你給一個時間在電價審議委員會之前這件事情要處理四百億進來就沒有漲電價的事情另外一個核電的這個問題 |
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核電最近很多國家都非常慌 你看連德國開始說要開用核能的 選舉大勝連西班牙現在都說要用了 美日更是一樣所以我要求 核澳跟核三我算了一下你只要讓核二核三可以用 一年也增加了588億所以你看 這整個算下來 一千多億啊你只要這個三大解方好好用 不要漲電價 |
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市長有多少情緒處理核廢料的問題?我們本來就 欸 董事長你連這個都不知道我們的核二端的事件都已經在那邊了我們也要去診殿 為了要處理核廢料問題做過程的咧 我們核二端的事件我們也拿不起來我們的核端經濟嗎?為什麼你會連核二端的核廢料事件都不知道事件以前在哪裡?這個不是問題 核二端是好 |
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好 謝謝謝謝張委員 再看一下我眼睛張其根委員 再看一下我眼睛謝謝你了啊張委員 再看一下我眼睛 再看一下好 謝謝你的質詢謝謝卓院長跟相關首長的背景 謝謝我們上午的質詢到此為止本次會議沒有委員提出臨時提案我們就不進行臨時提案之處理下午2點30分繼續開會我們現在休息 |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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MING PAO CANADA // MING PAO TORONTO |
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謝謝大家 |
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20076.92 |
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20085.073 |
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謝謝收看,下次見 |
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喂嘿 你好那這樣可能就是要麻煩委員本人親自來改 |
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對就是我今天整個下午我人都在議場裡面就是委員可以不用到三樓對就是等一下我再幫你確認我幫你看一下你等我一下我再幫你看一下對啊確定啊教育啊委員簽到教育啊對 |
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20171.74 |
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對然後就請委員就是直接到那個議場一定要今天因為我們我們就是截止到今天6點以前對然後如果我們在開會的話就是可以請他直接來議場裡面就是不用到我們三樓了對對好好謝謝好掰掰 |
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謝謝大家。 |
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嗯嗯 |
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謝謝大家 |
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20360.843 |
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再給三位 |
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喂嘿 你好嗯 那 |
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那不然我幫你 我問問看好了就是看有沒有什麼方式但是我不確定就是能不能就是延後或什麼之類的好沒關係 不然我問問看好了你們那邊分機是 |
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8066 那找您嗎料料助理好 那我問問他好 謝謝 |
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我先跟他們報名就算了,我先跟他們報名 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
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嗯嗯 |
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21204.098 |
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拜會我們現在繼續開會進行諮詢接下來我們請賴會委員委員請諮詢謝謝院長有請我們的院長跟我們的經濟部部長麻煩請卓院長經濟部長備詢 |
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內委員好是 院長部長好那我想這個昨天晚上川普跟台積電魏哲嘉董事長的一個會談那台積電要赴美投資一千億美金那便設立研發中心還有相關的信息其實都讓今天的股票 |
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也發生了一個很大的震盪其實在早上也有很多委員問到了很多在這裡我想請教院長就是說你知不知道台積電在亞利桑那州的一個投資投資了多少錢 |
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前前後後加起來會達到650億美金那他要再加碼1000億我想請教就是說其實在過去四年裡頭陸續的規劃在當地就是要蓋了三座晶圓廠那他第一座他希望生產4奈米的一個晶片 |
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那一季在今年上半年就是要開始生產可是這個進度一直都是落後的所以就是說請教院長你看 惠哲嘉董事長他講了他要投資一千億的一個美金那你認為就是說在未來的四年這個進度會延後還是說也會超前去部署呢 |
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這個產業界的對外投資啊其實政府跟他們之間都保持有密切的聯繫跟接觸有互相瞭解在亞利桑那州的投資目前第一場接近要開始量產的時候第二場還在施工中第三場根本還沒有開始所以我認為產業界一樣的它也是循序漸進依照它的資金依照它的這個時程的規劃會持續進行下去的那這個也是民主供應鏈的形成的一部分 |
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當然也配合著我們跟美國持續加強成長各種投資以及合作的必要的一個政策我想是朝這個方向在走跟留台灣 壯大台灣可是到底是課了100%的關稅是比較划得來還是投資1000億的美金比較划得來 |
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我覺得產業界在這個計算方面他除了他自己之外還有很多的下游的協力廠商整個產業供應鏈他都必須要完整的下去的他不只是擔心說對台積電剋稅不剋稅的問題跟所有的產業都要連接起來看那麼他們一定是站在對產業有利 |
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也符合國家我們國家戰略思考的這個角度當然那就是說再請教議員長跟部長有沒有機會就是在這一個商業談判的過程裡頭我們還可以去爭取到更多的一個利多呢 |
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21434.554 |
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這個就是讓政府跟政府之間在促成民間的合作之外政府跟之間一定是繼續的深化加分彼此的關係跟合作那很多的這個談的過程還在談的過程當然我們不便在這裡講太多但是政府的立場站在以國家最有利的方向做出發點 |
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以台灣為本向世界出發也用世界來關懷台灣這個是我們現在已經在做的一個方向好 謝謝謝謝部長我還有院長我想這個台灣市就是大家的根其實大家最在乎的就是說台灣的經濟在未來的十年 |
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在未來的往後的一個歲月裡頭我們是不是可以壯大我們自己這個其實是一個非常好的一個機會我們希望是正向的去看待這個經濟上的一個轉折這個對我們來講是非常大的一個能量那也再一次就是說在 |
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跟這個院長請教全球的貿易戰即將爆發那我們從這一張圖裡頭我們可以去看到就是說美國主要的一個貿易國家的一個關稅的一個效率那我們可以從加錢的一個稅率簡單的一個稅率來看台灣的加錢平均大概是1.7%那低於美國的2.2%那簡單就是 |
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等於是講就是低於就是6.5%就是相對高於美國的3.3%這個其實我們講到的是一個稅率的一個問題到底就是說讓他就是扣我們的關稅其實是比較對我們是有利的還是說台積電他就是整體的一個輸出到美國是對我們有利的 |
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那我想這個是商業上的一個判讀那就是說院長你也講得非常的清楚那這個事實上就是說在整體而言不管是產業的一個那個逆差還是順差是不是你的看法就是說我們可不可能就是說在這個第二波的一個對等關稅的名單裡頭會延後呢是不是不會在4月2號就是去執行 |
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因為他剛上來他很兇啊兩個重點向委員來報告第一個我們一直會避免全力去避免不公平的關稅針對台灣的某一個產業或是針對我們自己我想這個避免我們會達到相當的進展如果雙方是對等的關稅那互相在對等公平的原則底下 |
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依照我國最有利的立場來做出發我們還是進行這樣的談判這是第一個第二個貿易的利差對每個國家的政府來看都是想極力去平衡的美國當然也不例外他從這個2024年這麼大的一個貿易的利差來看他當然會逐步的要去減弱他的這個貿易的利差把他平衡掉 |
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那台灣在這裡因為我們輸出很多高科技的產品這個對美國來講是需要的所以我們相對的我們多增加一些必要性的採購對台灣的產業台灣的國防等等如果是需要我們做增加一個採購也是我們毅然應該要發展的方向 |
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好 院長那除了就是美國的這個貿易順差較大的半導體跟科技產業以外其實哪些產業會受到比較大的影響不管是就是我們的這個汽車產業還是農業產業尤其是我最關心的就是農業本席的選區太多的一個農業是不是可以提供書面的報告給本席謝謝應該農業的衝擊會是 |
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就關稅來看農業的衝擊會是小一點的會是小的但是我們不會輕鬆的去面對這個情況我們還是非常嚴謹的來看所有產業所造成來的影響接著就是說促進經濟行政院在提出就是驚橫台灣的一個重大建設裡頭我們看到了就是針對的這六個六個那個區域的特色產業其中就是我們那個銀嘉南銀嘉南的大 |
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那個大台南科技產業這個就是要特別跟那個院長再提醒一次就是說這個大南方新矽谷其實這個科技產業在整體而言我們講了好幾次了講了好幾次了它其實連結到就是以台南的沙崙站為一個主軸那就是說延伸出去 |
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延伸出去它其實到了就是在北它是在嘉義那就是在南的話是到高雄跟屏東就獨缺了這一塊就是在我新營這個地方那當然要謝謝院長那也謝謝賴總統他特別建議了一個AI機器人的一個園區在大新營 |
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那這一個就是說製造中心製造中心是在柳科那研發中心是在六甲那就是說院長這一個這麼完整的一個計畫他的一個行程會不會延後呢 |
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跟委員報告我們沒有跳過台南這個地方尤其是沙崙一直是這裡一個很重要的一個發展的起點跟中心那因為在柳營這個科學園區我們發展的是未來好像機器人機器人的基地那這個什麼國科會它已經有相當 |
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相當進展性的一個規劃將來我們在大南方新矽谷都會把它納進來尤其未來大南方新矽谷會跟桃竹苗大矽谷形成雙引擎帶動台灣整個科技的再發展所以這個部分我們對大南方新矽谷我們會把速度加快會把速度加快對那就是確定就是AI機器人這個研發跟製造的中心其實它就是落在新營跟六甲好那就是院長你的速度會加快是 |
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好 你的速度會加快主委能夠補充一下報告委員 我們在三月底前這個方案就會抱怨是 |
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就會抱怨了三頁就會抱怨了我的速度很快比我想像的還快謝謝謝謝你們大家的幫忙那我想就是這個大S科技狼帶的一個新興的一個帶動它強化了整個大新營的未來指日可待大新營的生活圈那大新營的生活圈的一個優勢特別在這裡跟院長做一個分享你知道我們新營區一坪的那個房價 |
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大概是23萬可是在我們鄰近的那個太保太保也是23萬他跳到23到29萬這個你如果去這兩個地方你去看的話你會覺得說哇怎麼怎麼會有這樣子的一個可能那南科是39萬 |
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好一起一起就是我的整個大新營區他會有一個很大的一個發展可是在這裡我要跟院長做一個拜託我的新營 |
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火車站太破舊了我必須要有一個就是在後火車站我必須要有一個那個停車場那我在這裡我拍一個這個這樣子的一個片子給那個院長看一下這新營火車站的一個亂象這個亂象就是說他的後火車站其實 |
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現在有一個850坪的停車場,它可以換下70台的汽車,那摩托車大概是100多台。你看,現在全部你看到的都是停在這個後火車站的那個兩側的路上。 |
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這個完全完全就是沒有政府的狀態那你甚至就是說下了火車的時候你還要怎麼你必須要就是走大概四五分鐘甚至超過五分鐘的時間去找你的車子那事實上就是說我去盤點了盤點了就是在後火車站所有就是我們不管是台塘還是台沿那個他們的一個倉庫因為裡頭只有就是說 |
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靠那個國營事業的一個那個共同的開發有沒有機會可以給我一個停車場這個停車場非常非常的重要光是你到我這個城市裡頭來看到了就是說我們的摩托車我們的腳踏車我們的汽車都是停在路兩邊然後那個延伸的一個車輪要四五分鐘我想這個不是一個進步城市的象徵 |
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報告委員我想周圍停車的空間目前大概沒有建置這樣看起來沒有建置我們可能會來盤點一下像委員剛剛建議的台塘的土地或者是其他國營事業的土地在旁邊有沒有空地有的話我們一起來協助地方政府來建置停車場 |
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那個部長我再跟你建議一個事情這這個在去年二月的時候已經透過交通部就是那個到現場去那個會刊了那這個議題一直留一直留著也沒有一個具體的效果所以今天總諮詢的時候我特別提出來就是說讓你們看到了就是說地方的一個需要那地方有需要我想我們應該盡快的來想辦法這個是我對部長跟那個 |
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那個院長的一個那個拜託好不好因為我想一個停車場基本上來講的話當然是土地的問題土地如何去就是說去找到土地這個對我們來講是非常重要的好謝謝 |
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我不知道3月8號你會不會到我們的藍花生物園區後壁的藍花生物園區我們的世界藍展就是3月8號即將開幕非常歡迎大家到我們那邊來看最特別的一個藍花 |
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那就是3月8號它即將開幕可是這個蘭花園區的一個轉型到花卉產業園區事實上它面臨到了一個很大的一個困難就是說它的時程其實在篡設花卉產業園區裡頭的時候花展中心的時候它缺人又缺錢我剛才特別跑去跟人事總處那個特別 |
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跟總處長要求說是不是可以給我人那當然每一個人看到他都是在要人所以就是說院長事實上這個有一個很大的困難那我也希望就是那個農業部長你把我這個四級機構三級機構的一個效能是不是可以把他就是跟院長就是還有我們的台南的鄉親做一個充分的溝通 |
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農業部答覆一下好像就兩個階段的人事的規劃我先謝謝委員對這個蘭花產業創新園區的一個升格的支持 |
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那整個南華園區大概現在分兩個部分第一個部分是有關於基礎建設的部分那我們已經提報中長能公共建設有大概120公頃裡面大概68.25億那這個部分已經進到整個的國會的審查過程中我相信應該會順利那第二個部分是組織面的部分那組織面的部分過往南華園區純粹只是一個一個產業 |
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那個我想我再找個時間再好好跟你溝通最後因為我的時間有限我要特別跟院長再做一個報告就是說早上你有特別喊話希望就是重新去檢視那個總預算接下來你打算怎麼做那特別跟你提醒立法院的那個職權法裡頭第34條它有一個規定如果婦醫案 |
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布議案如果議期不結議的話就會失敗這個就會跑回來失敗 |
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再一次的拜託立法院能夠重新的審議整個中央政府的預算在這一個過程當中能夠給大家重新再來看看預算這樣的三法是否真正的合理能夠重新面對中央政府的預算能夠珍惜 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝賴會員委員的質詢謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長的備詢 謝謝好 接下來我們請林德福委員質詢林益君委員請準備 |
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謝謝我們的大會主席韓院長還有行政院卓院長與會的各位部會首長是不是請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備選議員好 |
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卓院長你好卓院長我請教因為這個美國總統川普與烏克蘭總統澤倫斯基上個禮拜五在白宮舉行會談結果雙方在媒體前爆發激烈的爭吵那我要請問院長你認為這是尋求美國幫助應該的應該有的元首的態度嗎因您來看事實上我不便公開 |
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去批評兩位總統他們就各自國家的立場跟彼此合作的關係所做的任何表現但我總是希望說談話能夠有增進雙方彼此了解跟未來的合作才是一個好的方式那還是要面對美國優先的川普政府你認為澤倫斯基有這樣的反應並不意外因您很客觀的來看 |
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如果站在對自己國人的一個訴求上來看他展現國家的需求但是也應該用國家最大的利益尋求國際的合作 |
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反觀那個院長因為近年來民進黨宣揚今日烏克蘭明日台灣來鼓吹抗中保台對照拜登總統買單主動宣誓防衛台灣那我請問你認為面對凡是必稱美國優先的川普美國政策基調會不會調整因您看 |
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跟委員先生我並沒有鼓吹今日烏克蘭明日台灣我希望世界是一個和平的世界對啦但是前一段時間我相信大家都都有在媒體各方面也都有看到我是要請教因為院長我們會不會像哲倫CG一樣也沒有籌碼只有接受美國指揮意圖會不會變成這個樣子 |
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台灣有台灣的國際上的重要性我想我們會一直強調台灣的重要性我們在科技產業上的關鍵地位我們的領先我們的產業鏈的關鍵地位這個我們一直強調這個是不容忽略跟不容否認的事情院長 |
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賴清德總統上個月召開國安高層會議提出包括提高整個國防預算國安法制改革和全球民主供應鏈的整個策略那我請問院長到目前為止你認為美國總統川普或是美國政府對目前的兩岸問題是不是已經有了正面的回應因您看 |
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賴總統在國防高層會議上基於台灣國家國防之需要提出我們希望能夠達到GDP3%的國防預算這個是未來政府努力的一個政策那我相信美國政府有注意到台灣這樣一個國家政策上面的宣示所以未來我們在這個發展的過程當中一定是基於國家的需要 |
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能夠採購到我們真正需要的國防武器同時更重要是也要發展對台灣基礎國防上面的能量包括人員的培訓包括我們新進科技的訓練等等我想這個都是整個一環當中至少美國政府注意到台灣的這個方向如果雙方基於 |
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合作的善意跟彼此維護印太地區和平穩定的共同需要能夠達到這個目的的話我想我們是基於歡迎而且會持這個目標來做努力院長因為上個禮拜川普又被問到是否會阻止中國對台灣的動武他再度拒絕做出承諾那我請問院長對照拜登明確的表達防衛台灣的說法川普拒絕來回應 |
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的舉動到底是為了緩和近期情勢緊張的兩岸關係還是可能是為了向中國示好所以說防衛台灣的態度軟化那一就台灣的立場來看你認為 |
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這個美國表達學皇台灣的立場到底是明確好還是模糊好因您很客觀的來看國際上的局勢我們當然很重視每一次的談話但是也不會拘泥於每一次哪一次內容重點就斷定是一個政策的改變 |
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我認為美國對中國的政策以及美國在印太的政策是長期的 而且是穩定的在維持這個長期穩定的過程當中台灣扮演一個關鍵的一個角色我們如何加強自己的國防力量這個才是我們現在能夠自主權力要做到的事情那會不會負責我們部長來說好 來 顧部長 因您看呢就我的看法 印太區域是 |
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現在美國這個全球戰略的重心英萊區不管在經濟成長地緣政治跟軍事安全層面都跟美國優先的這個政策跟美國國家的繁榮發展是息息相關的所以美國不可能會放棄在印太的重大利益而台灣在第一島鏈的這樣子的一個中心的一個重要的一個地緣戰略的位置他不可能 |
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不可能容忍印太區域包括台海區域的和平穩定的這個現狀 |
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被破壞因為一旦被破壞美國喪失的是美國的重大信心力問題是以前拜登當總統的時候他很明確的來表達防衛台灣的說法但是現在就是說川普一上任結果很多媒體什麼問他他都含糊而且沒有很明確會不會是因時制宜跟林委員報告 |
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戰略模糊就是說現在一直有在爭辯所謂的戰略清晰或戰略模糊對我們可以從過去以來一直看到美國長期以來的政策都是採取一個模糊的一個政策因為他不想把話說死不想話即使是拜登你講了拜登幾次他們事後也有所調整就是說 |
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他們還是要維持一貫性的戰略模式的策略他這樣的一個戰略模式他們認為更具有嚇阻的效果這樣子的一個嚇阻的效果他們會讓中國沒有辦法能夠去輕易的認定說 |
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他一旦對台灣有全面的侵犯的這些武力或者是用威嚇的行徑的時候美國不會介入他們沒有辦法把握美國不會介入他們在沒有辦法把握美國不會介入的時候他要進行這個全面侵犯的計畫他的計算上會變得非常非常的複雜 |
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因為他要考慮到那駐日的美軍的部分他要不要看看他在經過宮古海峽的時候他要駐日的美軍或者是日本會有如何的反應他在經過巴士海峽或巴麗塘海峽的時候他菲律賓會做如何的回應但是你可以看到美國整個佈局在軍事的佈局上面他push這個日本要提高國防經費以外他在日本的這個南西諸島上面不斷的部署這個相關的這些反艦飛彈 |
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在跟菲律賓相關的軍事基地上面他也不斷地在北里宋島那個地方有相關的這些基地存在這個就是產生一種威嚇一種嚇阻一種以這個展現這樣子的一個同盟的合作跟實力來維持和平的一種方式院長 |
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像川普選前選後的言行決策都充斥著美國優先那兩岸問題如此那面對國際政經局勢更是如此只是在美國優先的立場下請問院長你認為我們台灣有什麼籌碼能夠在美台關係當中達到雙贏的結果因您看 |
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當然談判講究委員所說的籌碼但我始終認為說台灣最大的有利的利基在哪裡我剛剛說過我們在半導體產業上我們在製造業上我們的關鍵領先的技術跟我們在產業工業的地位這個是我們最大的利基但是我認為我們要對自己負責任就是要向全世界展現我們有防衛自己的決心跟能力 |
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那如果展現呢就是我們把國家的能力 國防能力能夠提高所以總統才會在國家高層會議當中國安高層會議當中提到我們會把GDP3%當作我們國防力量維持的一個重心這個向全世界做一個很清楚的宣示所以我也希望大院能夠支持政府這樣的方向未來我們達到這樣的方向就是向全世界發出一個最強烈的訊息我們要捍衛自己的決心跟能力 |
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我認為啦相信不管在朝在野當然我們一定要自保自衛就是說我們這個在買武器方面 |
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這方面其實我認為我們要買就是要買比較先進的武器不是他們已經不要的然後就是我們去買那些那個實在是老百姓都看不下去我認為這一點相信國防部那個部長你真的要好好的思考國家國人跟國軍最大的需求去做這樣的因為上次你看給我們一些東西有都已經花沒了我相信你自己清楚跟委員報告 |
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那個您講的那個是所謂的PDA就是總統的提供權它這個是無償的一個軍演可是第一次的時候的一些因為它這個倉儲保管的一些問題所以產生了一些潮濕的一些狀況但後來在進行後續的這些相關一樣是這些無償軍演的時候這些狀況全部都改善 |
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而且這樣子的一個檢討報告不是我們提出來的是美國自己內部提出來說真的要檢討所以美國在對各國的這個即使是無常的軍演他們也是會有一定的這個把關我相信在 |
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軍演上面都這樣認真我們在軍售的這個相關的議題上面我們當然是跟美國會討論什麼是最符合我們按照敵情威脅最符合我們防衛作戰需求所需要的相關的武器裝備 |
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就拿台美租稅協定的洽簽進度來看縱使美國眾議院再度通過美台快速減免雙重課稅的法案還是要經過美國參議院來通過以及美國總統川普的簽簽 |
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那才可能生效才會發生這個效率那我請問院長拜登時期的談判條件到目前的川普政府的美國優先的立場你認為台灣能夠占到便宜還是好還是好處嗎你認為會不會占到好處我們不想占任何國家的便宜雙方基於平等互惠的立場上 |
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避免雙重瞌睡是最近這段期間以來回到台灣的 |
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我們在海外的台橋很重視的一個問題也是產業界希望政府能夠努力去達到的問題我們勢必在雙方的21世紀貿易倡議的這個基礎底下持續往上進去那麼內容到底我們能夠達到什麼樣的一個階段我覺得不是占便宜而是雙方互惠雙方對當然我們是希望有對等公平這樣 |
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來這個洽簽這個整個協定的進展你認為有沒有可能會不會加快他的速度在拜登總統任期的後期我們已經有一個十足的進展但是新總統上來之後這個進展有一些停下來不是改變是停下來而已他可能重點不在這裡那財政部以及我們相關的部會以及對我們的談判都一直持續在進行是不是容許莊部長來做說明 |
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跟委員報告其實川普政府這一屆的國會新上任以後其實在1月15號眾院已經通過了ADTA就是避免雙重課稅我知道啊那現在就在參議院內容事實上跟上一次的是相同的完全相同那接下來我們其實我們雙方的財政部一直在進行技術面的一些協商是把相關的定義弄清楚 |
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未來一定也會在平等互惠的原則下來簽相關的協定我希望說當然越快越好日本央行行長警告全球經濟前景存在非常重大的不確定性 |
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那制定貨幣政策必須全盤考量考慮到美國政策對全球經濟以及金融市場的影響那上個禮拜台金院舉辦景氣動向的記者會 |
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那張建立院長表示根據央行的預測今年通膨率低於2%但實際通膨需考量到天災氣候等等這些變化以及美國總統川普上任後在關稅措施是不是會影響整個物價來推升通膨像這些都要花更多的時間來觀察那上個禮拜的主計總署 |
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這個經濟預測記者會上上修今年CPI年增率達到1.94%那我請問院長按照預測整個通膨率的數據結果來看去年年底行政院物價穩定小組會議延長關鍵原物料的這些稅戶的減增 |
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把CPI維持在百分之二以下一直是政府長年持續努力的一個目標也符合我們二上以下一平衡的作用 |
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CPI維持在百分之二以下那台灣一直有比較健全的財政的體質包括我們有穩定的金融秩序那這個都有助於我們在穩定物價的這個過程但是總統也一再指示物價的穩定要列為民生重要指標的首要所以在前幾天上禮拜的施政報告當中我也把穩定物價當作未來五項我們必須即刻去面對的課題 |
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所以政府會持續的這個精準的掌握到國內外各種的局勢我們當然知道物價的穩定跟國際情勢也相當有大的關係但我們精準的掌握到它我們也精準的 |
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穩住國內的各項的供需的秩序我想這個才是現在我們該做的事情那剛剛我請教的像這些原物料稅負減增到今年三月底那你認為這些減增措施是不是還有必要再延長或者是應該要有機會來退場 |
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這個我們在行政院交由鄭麗君副院長所主持的物價穩定小組的過程當中一定是持續針對這樣的方向在做 |
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能夠讓整個物價穩定的措施都在那個小組上面去討論那日前他們已經討論過了他會持續在每個月做一個很精準的去掌控那如果說必須要延長才有助於物價而且這個延長對國內的產業又是正面的話那我會尊重物價穩定小組的作業好 |
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那我再請教因為房屋稅2.0依據今年5月起開徵自住房屋新增需有本人以及配偶直系親屬設戶籍為要件那2025年1月媒體報導 |
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原來這些舊置有720萬戶自住的房屋其中大約有128萬戶沒有設戶期如果3月24號以前沒有完成登記就會喪失他自住的資格自住最低的稅率跟非自住最高的稅率差4.8倍 |
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那請問我想財政部應該很清楚經過地方政府兩次計劃輔導通知後目前大約還有多少戶自住的房屋沒有遷入戶籍各位報告這個部分還是要靠地方政府要去持續的努力去努力讓民眾知道就是說 |
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適用自用住宅的稅率的話那就要趕快去辦戶籍登記這個部分跟地價稅是一致的也就是說過往在房屋稅的時候沒有這樣的要求可是現在呢我們就一致讓地價稅的課徵自用住宅也是要在這個土地上的房屋設戶籍才能適用所以這是一致的那這個部分我們會持續督促地方政府能夠趕快對阿最起碼你財政部要掌控阿要了解阿 |
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院長我再請教因為台灣在2021年提出加入CPTPP的申請那到現在還沒有獲得全體會員的共識會員國的共識那歌詞討論來加入是宜那我請問CPTPP的這個成員國目前有12個國家那外交部先前答覆本席的時候是CPTPP的成員國中態度上 |
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支持我方向的差不多有將近一半那我要請問這個外交部那這個支持台灣加入CPTPP的會員國數量是不是目前有沒有增加有在增加中那到底剩下還沒有明確表達支持的國家卡關是因為貿易條件還是有其他的因素 |
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有部分是政治的原因中國有在阻撓但是我想就所謂加入CPTPP的三原則我們是都符合的不管是我們的自由貿易的程度 |
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最高標準我們的承諾也都有實現沒有不良記錄現在就是說所謂的共識這個共識怎麼解釋也經過加拿大在去年當輪值主席國的時候有提到就是說可以展開這個所謂的pre-consultation先行諮商因為所謂共識應該是最後有沒有符合標準而不是說 |
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共識我們能不能去符合去成立工作小組所以這個我們希望能夠突破這一關目前過半數的國家都是支持我們應該是可以我是希望外交部這方面要多用一點心 多積極一些市長 國務委員報告外交部的工作非常的努力辛苦而且一直有持續的在進展但是就是在這個高標準我們是符合的貿易承諾我們從來也不會去違背就是在這個 |
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高度共識的這個情況底下難免當有一些政治的因素政治因素但是我們極力去排除但是你也知道主力在哪裡但是在這個情況底下我們還是跟各國保持最好的關係爭取最多的支持這個要謝謝外交部的工作我跟委員補充一點本來有人是在詢問說所謂共識原則等一下那個部長你再等一下本來共識原則是說其實反對我們去成立工作的小組員必須說理由 |
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不能說好像要現在有12個已經加入的會員國跟經濟體要一致決勝我們才能夠去成立工作小組我們現在的努力在這一點上有獲得一定的支持所以我們希望朝工作小組的成立來先跨出一步好 謝謝我想因為這個今年全國稅收實增金額大於這個護稅預算數的情形俗稱叫稅收超增 院長 |
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那據財政部公布的資料2024年稅收超徵金額就有5283億元創下歷史的新高已經連續四年啦稅收超徵超過3800億那根據最新的民調有超過六成六的民眾是支持還稅移民普發現金一萬元那當然民眾也希望政府如果不能好好的運用這筆錢來還債 |
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獲益助眷保、勞保、公務人員退休、撫恤基金、乾脆普發現金、還錢移民,以達到全民共享、超收稅收的成果 |
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院長跟部長因為國民黨即將提出稅收超徵全民共享發放現金特別條例的草案完備來普發現金一萬元的法源同時將推動預算法修法本席建議如果行政院或財政部有不同的想法 |
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你們應該要盡快提出對岸送來立法院來審查那我請問卓院長與財政部莊部長何時會送相對的法案來立法院來審查好 謝謝我非常我首先必須肯定委員剛剛講到一句話如果這個錢 |
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能夠還債或是健保或做其他的使用那這個是前提還債健保保保甚至於公務人員退休補蓄基金我瞭解委員的意思是說我那個有提法案對時增數超過預算數的這個金額屬於中央的扣掉地方的屬於中央的應該是3550 |
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三千七百五十七億那這個部分要怎麼來使用當然他如果全部發給國人大家一定百分之百贊成但是政府大概不應該只能這麼做我們要考慮到國家長遠的一個發展的構想跟計畫如果我們把這個計畫拿出來跟國人討論跟大院來討論得到大家的支持那這個才是一個國家財政長遠應該做的所以說那個卓院長 |
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我剛剛特別叮嚀提起說如果你們有其他的想法應該要提出一些對案甚至你們認為要怎麼做只要合情合理合法大家有共識我認為這是一個好的開始因為你沒有提出對案來講實在話 |
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立法院站在我們針對超征這麼多年我們一定會提法你們要是說有一個想法你們要提出來對岸大家來探討來討論針對問題看怎麼做對人民最有利對國家最有利你認不認同 |
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財政部已經算出來這個時增數超過預算數的3757億那怎麼來使用各部位我們現在在想他應該用有一部分幫助社會最需要幫助的人有一部分來壯大台灣的國家的力量那另外一部分來考慮到目前實際上這個整個社會需要用到哪個方向去我想這個我們都有想法那我也知道這個這個案子 |
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大院現在有委員在提案我總是有一個拜託就是不要讓它成為一個固定的使用方式這個對國家是不好的你們只要提出法案來我們都可以在委員會裡面來討論最後大家有共識送到院會來我是認為這是針對問題探討問題怎麼來解決問題啊我們了解委員的這個講法也謝謝委員的用心我們朝這個方向來走 |
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好 謝謝 院長根據2024年美國前六大貨品貿易逆差的夥伴依序排列為中國大陸 墨西哥 越南 愛爾蘭 德國 台灣我們排名第六位 |
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那美國對台灣的貿易逆差達到739億美元那我請問左院長以財政部外交部經濟部首長美台21世紀的貿易倡議協定後續的談判還能不能夠繼續談下去我們爭取第二階段的談判 |
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能夠再往前跨一步因為第一階段我們已經達成了我們爭取第二階段那當中有若干單項的問題我們逐項在解決當中因為這個為了避免雙重克罪的協定雖然已在美國眾議院高票通過但是法案後續還要眾參議院剛剛我特別提到還要美國總統簽署才正式生效 |
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所以說川普總統就任後似乎又要重新再談甚至於何時才能夠生效未來面對美國關稅的壓力如何讓企業耕留台灣避免產業空洞化外交部財政部跟經濟部 |
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其實你們應該有一些看法我們相關的部會包括勞動部包括農業部等等都針對各單項已經做了相當多的準備也進行過那我們現在國家的談判代表也隨時準備再次跟美國來配合時程啟動第二階段的這個談判的過程 |
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因為美國總統川普成立國家能源主導委員會其任務將是協助滿足美國發展人工智慧的龐大電力需求外界一直認為說有助於美國小型核電廠的發展美國和20多個國家共同發表核能宣言共同努力於2050年全球核能容量 |
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增加為三倍的目標換言之2050年淨零排碳是不可缺的本席關心節能減碳的議題多次希望政府儘速提出能源模擬器讓外界清楚知道發電的成本差異各種發電的碳排量的排放 |
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提供可能面臨的風險與代價讓外界有共同討論的基礎嘗試的去尋找適合的能源發展的一個路徑環境部 彭部長本席上次在總質詢的時候其實本席也有要求 |
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說大概幾個月時間可以把模擬器做出來讓給大家一個報告結果到今天其實時間已經到了那個彭部長時間到了但是你們到底可不可以提出來 |
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報告委員我們目前提出台灣的淨零路徑我們是以那個為主那委員提到那個其實現在MIT麻省理工學院我們發現他做的已經非常完整非常完整我們再給委員再講因為你們應該要做完整可以的話你要報告要提出來好不好好 謝謝那2021年12月18日合適這個啟封商轉這個發電 |
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這個公投結果這個沒有通過所以說依照公投法的規定今戶覺知重大政策行政機關以兩年內不得變更這個 |
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不得變更該附決內容的施政那核四公投啊如今已經過了三年核四重啟或任列損失左院長應該要拿定主意啊那請問經濟部部長這個郭部長核四2833億元的封存起經台電公司的才是台電公司的資產嗎一旦核四任列損失 |
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台電公司整個財務的危機我相信行政院應該很清楚你們要有一些配套的措施何時可以公布何時在前政府的時候宣布封鎖一直到現在當然還有一些後續的處置要處理 |
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再談合適是否啟用 目前來看應該不是很適合不適合喔那不適合你們自己要應該有一個想法對不對因為你是認略損失還是怎麼樣認略損失台電會破產耶就是我們如何讓台電好 謝謝林德福委員質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長的備詢 |
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現在在我們一長二樓旁聽的來自美國喬治城大學Joyce Tang外交學院的老師跟學生歡迎啊Welcome我們掌聲歡迎接下來我們請林益君委員質詢請莊瑞雄委員準備 |
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謝謝主席有請院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢議員好院長好 |
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最近全台爆發急診擁捨的問題不斷的在延燒醫護短缺的問題也是日漸的嚴峻讓我們台灣的醫療環境困境再度的凸顯那其實落實分級醫療還有讓醫療的資源合理的分配都是解決急診擁捨問題最基本的解決的方案但是本席也身為醫藥背景的專業人員但是對衛福部 |
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現在的許多的政策其實我有時候都是物理看花啦不是什麼什麼完全看不懂啦為什麼我們衛福部現在都是有時候有些政策不願意跟國際趨勢接軌呢像上一次政府都是常常的自豪的說台灣是國際醫療的 |
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只有神尤其是COVID-19的時候那個時候我們的全國的醫藥護理人員共同的協力然後創造了台灣的奇蹟那為何現在疫情剛剛結束之後政府又開始鬆懈了呢其實台灣各醫院的急診 庸設的問題早就是一個長期結構性的問題了所以結果我們主管機關衛福部不但沒有積極的想方法反而有點扯後腿 |
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我想請問一下我們的衛福部長現在先把問題牽扯到農曆過年太久了請問院長過去難道我們春節的假期沒有放過酒天的嗎應該都有吧 |
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我看2019、2022年連續都是放了9天而且2023年還放了10天的連續假期而且還有更離譜的是我們的衛福部的次長林靜儀更囂張竟然回嗆急診醫師的留言他說呵呵小腦袋引爆了全部醫界的憤怒那我想請問一下這些身為醫生的政府官員 |
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竟然沒有一絲絲的同理心遇到什麼事情就先推完全沒有傾聽基層的聲音甚至不負責任面面人性的發言你們覺得這樣是對的嗎還有看在我們衛福部部長和次長這樣如果你們大家是身為我們醫療的大家長的情況下應該是要針對問題來找解方才是嘛對不對而且我再請問一下院長就是說你認為所謂的吵架失言專業 |
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專業嗆民眾 專業嗆醫護這樣的適合擔任我們主管醫藥專業的官員嗎這樣這種人在你的行政院的整個團隊中這樣的人是適任的嗎跟委員抱歉這個整個事件我已經對外表示過了政務人員 政府的官員務必要謹言正行嗆民眾 嗆醫護這個都不是專業應該有的行為 |
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春節九天過去也有過那九天比較長的連假這只是今天我們在分析整個這個急診擁塞的情形的一個條件而已一個狀況而已期待他還有諾羅病毒還有天候的變化等等但無論什麼樣的原因啊我想部長也好 次長也好我們所有的從政的同仁都應該用同理心不要用這種方式去跟民眾對話我再度的向大家表示歉意 |
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好 因為這個問題並不是一次而已是連續好幾次的也引發民眾還有一些的反應那我希望院長可以在這方面多注意一下我們會多多的要求跟約束 謝謝謝謝委員提醒現在急診 庸塞和長期醫療能力不足的問題其實已經罄竹難書了啦 說真的各界其實大家都是一直在討論 其實 |
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都是有在想要幫政府想一些及時廣義想一些提供一些正確的想法要給政府看什麼樣的做法但是請問一下衛福部為什麼現在都不願意買單解決現在我們正在惡化的醫療現場呢例如我們要重新檢討健保制度還有落實 |
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醫療分級這方面還有強化宣導輕症自我照護小小病自我要療的照護的觀念其實這些都是先進的國家在做的國民健康的政策但是為什麼衛福部你現在對這些意見都視而不見呢還有甚至背道而馳呢因為我看 院長 部長你們看其實你們知道衛福部其實從103年開始就開始推動了自我照護 |
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這些自我照護連續幾年都有出國考察而且他們都是針對考察這些針對自我用藥法規專家的會議還有世界自我用藥的聯會的會議所以但是一下子10年11年就過去了但是都沒有看到成效所以健保的財政的情況還是無解而且現在衍生出來了急診擁捨的問題那請教院長你知道每年的7月24號是什麼日子嗎 |
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你知道每年的7月24號是什麼日子嗎那其實是WHO為了提倡自我照護觀念他將每年7月24號定做國際自我照護日 |
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就是說一週有7天一天有24小時其實他是鼓勵大家來積極行動來改善我們自己維護自我的身心上面的健康所以院長你相信最近那麼多的急診篩報的問題其主要的原因也是因為我們台灣現在的整體的醫療的體系出問題然後失衡還有人力不足我相信你都知道的 |
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然後面對台灣現在超高齡的社會來臨其實台灣在積極想要加入WHO的同時其實我們要怎麼樣加強我們人民自我照護的意識還有呼應WHO所提倡的自我照護的觀念所以我們要強化輕症病人的自我照護避免輕症的這些病患湧入急診不會造成急診的擁捨的問題然後小小病就到藥局去 |
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然後小病到診所還是到地區醫院然後大病再到醫院而且要落實轉診整個的制度強化分級醫療所以這個是讓醫療資源能夠用在真正的集中症的上面並不是全部的人一有問題全部擠到大醫院裡面去所以我覺得這個也是解決急診用色一個簡單的解方之一 |
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所以也是解決健保財政虧損的方式之一所以有時候我們對這些問題我們可能要正視這個問題想方法去解決然後也根據了歐洲自我照護的產業我也發現了2023年的5月我發現了他們發布了一個調查的報告指出歐洲每年有12億的毅力的小病痛這些小病痛他們透過非處方藥的自我照護不用到醫院到藥局去 |
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自我要療就可以省下360億的歐元的醫藥上面的支出然後美國也調查民眾的自我照護可以為美國醫療省下1670億的美元的費用所以根據我們的健保署上面也有統計我們國人只要減少一次的就醫的情況我們一年估計可以為健保省下340億元所以表示自我照護 |
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自我要了這個觀念其實對於節省珍貴的健保資源是有非常顯著的效益的那我想請教衛福部部長你可以將自我照護明確的落實嗎你是否同意呢好 謝謝委員的指教那我想自我照護跟分級醫療是我們這幾十年來政府一直在推動的 |
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一二十年前何勝茂署長當署長的時候我就是編一個健康達人一二五教導全國民眾怎麼樣自我照顧的主編那當然我也過去多年來在醫療網裡面推動分級醫療所以我想非常敬佩我們委員提出的這兩個觀念那我想這個一定要去落實那在民眾的照顧方面當然最好是能防病於未然那麼在 |
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因此在我們健康台灣的工作上面其實特別重視在前端的在運動營養生活形態的一個改善的一個宣導跟教育我相信不管是哪一個醫事人員尤其是社區的藥局應該在這個部分可以一起來努力我想那個 |
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再加上我們藥師的同仁其實都有很好的臨床的信念臨床藥師的信念所以基本上在給病人擁有指示用藥的協助所以應該是可以共同來照顧病人那目前 |
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其實台灣也在推動社區整合型的照護體系裡面最重要的是一個家庭醫師的團隊所謂家庭醫師不是只有醫師他藥師、物理治療師、職能治療師共同組成一個團隊讓民眾在社區就有一個很堅強的團隊有什麼問題就來看他我相信這個就是分級醫療的第一點也是我們台灣很珍貴的一個 |
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家庭醫師整合型照顧體系未來我相信醫師、藥師各種醫師等等這樣的合作起來一定可以落實分級醫療也讓我們現在很頭痛的一個急診或醫院的用事可以得到很好的環節所以我們一起來努力也感謝我們委員的指導 |
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其實我覺得政府有很多政策這方面的其實都是很好的包括轉診制度、分級醫療上面還有自我醫療上面但是我覺得一直都沒有落實就是沒有落實才可以激到變成急診、庸塞的問題所以這個我可能要麻煩部長要多費心一點 |
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| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
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好 接下來問題就是全民健康保險法第51條規定只是藥品也是屬於不列入健保給付的範圍之一的項目是嗎 部長是的 |
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所以我想請教一下就是院長和部長既然你們都認為健保改革我們同意要先從民眾的自我照護開始這個觀念開始的話那是不是應該利用一些比較部分安全無虞的這些藥品把處方藥轉為指示用藥還有加速指示藥退出健保這樣我們才能解決健保要價的黑洞然後也 |
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24784.863 |
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也解決了以藥養醫的弊病而且部長你知道審計部嗎他針對了現在的814項非屬健保規定給付的指示用藥仍未退出健保給付的問題有提出一個總決算的審核報告112年度中央政府總決算的審核報告裡面有指出有841項指示用藥列入給付的範圍 |
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檢討進度太慢了要求衛福部以督促落實檢討指示用藥給付的允釋性以提高健保資源利用的效率也就是說我們現在簡單的說就是指示用藥列入健保給付的範圍佔健保給付藥物的比例達到27.3意思是使健保給付的藥物中有四分之一的項目是違法給付 |
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更耗費了20億的公帑所以院長請問一下衛福部是不是應該要根據審計部的審核的報告意見提出檢討改善方案落實全民健康保險法第51條的規定只是要比也是屬於不列入健保給付範圍之一的項目所以請問一下何時可以給出改善的方案何時我們可以落實 |
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謝謝委員的指教我想不管是健保署或者是食藥署針對我們的指示用藥都非常的用心也會依照那個審計部或相關的單位的一個要求來改善那對於處方藥品長期使用經驗上 |
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安全無虞的藥品既有安全性那用以緩解輕症且在至少有三個醫藥先進國家以指示藥品在管理者經食藥署評估並邀請醫藥等領域專家共同討論後得轉類為指示用藥指示藥品那剛才部長你說幾個國家一直都在努力三個國家而已嗎 |
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只要至少有三個醫藥先進國家至少三個那我下一個問題還有一個問題要問你先回答這一個 |
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好我想這個部分會一直在努力我想這幾天來所以這個只是要退出健保其實是因為我們怕健保的財政受虧損所以現在健保其實也健保局也不好做健保局也不好做所以我們是希望人民用藥的方便性所以在醫藥跟人民當中我們當然以人民為 |
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對 這個剛才我是一整串的問題對 一整串的問題是都一直有連貫性的以人民的權益為優先之下醫藥共同來商討我想都可以來解決對 就是安全無虞的處方用藥盡量先退成只是用藥只是用藥的話再來退出健保給付都有一直在往前走是 謝謝委員指教 |
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那剛才部長有提到那個三個國家的問題來這就是下一個就是接著為了不讓健保財政一直在虧損中非必要的醫生處方藥是不是要轉為指示用藥嗎剛才部長還說是三個嘛像緊急事後避孕藥這個現在我們先來講確保女性的生育的自主權 |
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讓女性把握緊急避孕的機會我想說部長也是醫生也知道這一種藥它有黃金的時間可能12小時72小時以內一定要服用的有時候到診所到醫院去他們不見得說或許大家在休診也都有可能可能會錯過了這個時間而且現在確保女性生育的自主權的話現在是想生的卻不能生但是非自願的不想生的要避孕的那會 |
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會不會衛福部管太多了對不對部長上回題我已經有請教過你了嘛要衛福部要正視女性的自主權還有用藥權益對緊急事後病因要開放變更為指示藥品確保女性生育的自主權但是衛福部都沒有給一個北溪的一個回應所以我現在就是說剛才有談到三個國家現在全球已經有 |
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88個國家將事後避孕藥列為非處方用藥了而且在2023年日本也可以在社區藥局販賣禁忌避孕藥其實這個我們現在還沒有做到對不對 |
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所以根據WHO的報告將事後病因藥轉成非處方藥是讓女性方便的取得這個藥物不僅可以減少女性因為懷孕而面臨的風險也可以降低因意外懷孕所帶來的社會還有經濟上面的負擔而且包括連我們現在知名的女權團體在2024年的10月份的時候有對於這個 |
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事後病藥是否開放來做了一個調查線上的調查結果有六成五的民眾支持開放而且2016年調查七成的幾乎完全七成人都支持而且希望能夠方便及時取得而且藥局即可購買還有提高女性自主所以我想部長針對這個問題的話我想說 |
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您應該也是會很重視這個問題所以在2016年的時候我有去看過2016年的時候有針對這個問題討論過廚房藥改成民眾在藥局購買的指示用藥也已經衛福部通過了 |
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也發佈在緊急事後避孕藥變更為指示藥品的說明所以據本席了解指示藥品陳藥主已經開過會討論過了將緊急事後避孕藥從醫生處方藥轉列為指示用藥但是這個會議中也做成了會議記錄所以為什麼食藥署到現在還說醫生團體 |
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還評估還沒有共識呢而且部長你知道我們的衛福部的政策為什麼擱置到現在還沒有共識呢對不對而且這個不是2016年早有共識了嗎 |
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25174.282 |
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還是有人不同意呢是不是有人刻意去修改了整個的會議紀錄你衛福部要不要調查一下當時的情況照我是這樣看的是因為會議背後有一隻看不到的手所以我想部長你針對這個問題你可能要去了解一下在2016年那時候發生的事情而且你身為醫生你醫者人心我拜託你千萬不要讓女性生育權 |
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自主權被剝奪了啊政府你現在不是在營造整個友善的生育環境嗎你是不是要讓女性能夠安心而且自由的選擇自己何時要懷孕這個我想這個也是政府的重要的責任嘛報告委員謝謝委員的指教那有關於這個事後避孕要轉捩為非處方藥品管理的議題其實從剛剛您所說的 |
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25225.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
從2016年其實那個時候就開始有討論那我在當立委的期間也開過不少次的協調會議因為就是醫藥有不同的看法那我想我們不管是醫跟藥我聽起來都是為了人民的權利在努力那我個人都非常的感動但是因為有不同的專業的看法所以 |
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也是涉及的層面比較廣泛那因為在有一些醫事的團體專業團體他們認為尤其特別會照顧到婦女懷孕生產的科別他們在這個部分是很有 |
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對 部長 你剛才講三個國家同意 這個有八十八個國家我們台灣要不要跟 國際接軌啊我們一直在走倒退路嗎他還是一種荷爾門啦 他還是會影響到現在都是醫界在擋這一個啊 不是嗎這個明明就是國際上已經八十八個國家這樣做了啊 對不對部長你不能不公欸 你現在全部人都是醫生 你這樣是不是太不公了啊 |
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你要為全國的民眾想啊全部的女性的自主權對不對他們生育的自主權大家都等著你們而且2012年的時候你先去看看是不是有人篡改會議紀錄 |
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我們去了解,本部的食藥署已將114的3月6號召開緊急事後避孕完轉為醫師藥師現在整個會議全部都是醫生,請問一下這樣怎麼會公平?這個讓部長 |
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去做好的協調 我想從醫藥分業之後我們的醫藥關係一直是在一個比較緩和和諧的狀態安全無虞的藥品 我已經非常安全無虞的藥品 這個東西已經安全無虞了而且88個國家都已經這樣做了現在只有台灣沒有這樣做 |
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我要求部長盡快跟醫界、藥界達成共識大家能夠在安全無虞的合理使用狀況下當時我也要請委員能夠支持因為委員的專業非常注重健保今年健保30年我常說健保30年保障國人的健康現在是我們回頭保障健保的時代30年前我就一直主張小病不用保大病沒煩惱這種小病集中到醫學中心去 |
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用那麼少的這個代價自負額他就能夠得到他應該讓他到診所去用他完全來負擔這個就是落實分級醫療嗎分級醫療 轉診制度如果我們觀念能夠轉過來小病不用保大病就沒煩惱讓那個可以傾家蕩產的病讓政府全力來照顧他讓那個影響到整個公共衛生的病政府全力來遏止他政府應該做這個東西小病讓他自己來做另外我們的內外婦兒這四顆一 |
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醫事人員的減少我們也必須大家觀念轉變我們再落實一個就是不同工不同酬的醫療給付讓醫院醫事人員的工作尊嚴能夠得到保障如果這個觀念能夠同期的建立我們可以再創30年50年更好的健保制度所以我們是不是大家有這樣的一個責任來面對健保的實質改革而不是在討論錢多錢少該不該提保費的問題我們從基本上來討論 |
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沒錯啊 所以我覺得大家的政策 大家的想法我覺得都是正確 但是完全沒有落實啊 |
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對不對 剛才院長講的也對啊 部長講的也對嘛我們想的都是對嘛 都是往前進嘛 對不對如果大家有這樣的共識 我們還要持續跟社會對話我剛剛說內外婦幼這四個科很難找如果能夠給它建立但是這個不能 因為這個會增加對這些實質上的支付所以我們還要平衡所以能夠農小病大家就不用保大病再來 大家就再沒煩惱然後從內外婦幼從這個不同工不同酬的給付來開始 |
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我想這個社會的觀念如果建立起來剛開始也許會遭受很多很多的討論但是我相信如果提出這樣的討論對社會是正面的其實也不是 院長不是提出這樣的討論這個事情已經做很久了我想部長也是知道只是沒有做得很徹底沒有做得很成功所以我覺得我們還是要用心在這一塊啦好不好那一些修法的部分可能我們就要有共識才能來進行 |
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這個已經在實施了,只是沒有落實我想自我照顧跟分級醫療,我們一定繼續來推醫藥方面在某些專業的互動,我們一定持續來溝通醫藥本是一家,要攜手共同來照顧人民的健康我們一起來努力,也謝謝委員的提起跟指教好,謝謝部長那我有請交通部長 |
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好 那我就因為時間不多 這樣我還是先靜緩講一下就是院長 你知道零四零三強震開米颱風其實重創了花蓮的觀光業者都是一直在覺得去年是從業三十年來最慘的一天一次地震發生 花蓮的旅宿還有餐飲其實已經都停業上百家了這是本心還是持續的關心我們花蓮的觀光和交通 |
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因為對花蓮來講其實最重要的就是要怎麼樣活下去所以去年113年花蓮的遊客是近年五年來最低的還比起前一年112年的時候已經下降了一半那我想院長也是很認真每個月當初都說有你都有允諾說要每個月都要下去花蓮勘查整個情況所以我想院長你應該很了解花蓮現在的困境是什麼 |
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所以也很感謝你振興花蓮的觀光而努力所以在去年針對0403的地震的時候振興花蓮觀光產業我們也放寬了公務人員的國旅卡休假補助費的整個措施那請問去年的實施是如何呢我想應該是成效不佳吧因為花蓮現在的店家和民眾還是無感啊 |
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所以光是觀光人數接到上面的觀光客其實我們都看出來其實真的觀光的人數是非常非常的少而且非常非常的慘淡那院長那為什麼實施到去年今年就補助了呢沒有補助了呢還是你覺得說今年有更好的規劃呢還是有什麼特別加碼的規劃呢可以振興我們花蓮的觀光我簡單的先向委員說不敢說認真兩個字這是我們團隊應該做的事情 |
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只是很遺憾的是去年0403之後7月好幾次的颱風當我們的工程進行到一個程度他就停下來甚至又往後延 |
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那颱風又讓很多的這個觀光客又卻步了這是我們非常遺憾的事情我們總是希望說所有的補助的措施能夠徹底的落實那請問今年會不會再繼續補助呢像去年來我們執行不好的事情我們就把它加碼把它放寬那今年我這樣交通部他又有一個其他的緊急的這個計畫在執行我們部長來說明 |
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報告委員確實去年花蓮因為地震再加上好幾個颱風確實對觀光業影響非常大那您也非常關心交通建設的問題我們目前交通上升穩定目前最近比較沒有太大的雨所以上升穩定的狀況底下其實我們花蓮的觀光在11月份已經漸漸回到了112年的水準也就是說已經有復甦的狀況 |
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那去年我們主要是因為403的地震那沒關係我想知道說這個有沒有更好的規劃振興花蓮的觀光有沒有什麼加碼的還是有一個做一個更好的規劃我先知道這個因為我後面還有一些問題去年是因為地震的原因所以用一個救急的方案來補助有補助的方案但是我剛剛有提到就是說現在的觀光的狀況已經比較穩定了 |
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所以我們大概不會用可是我們還是很慘淡啊很多店家都關了啊我想說院長你每個月不是有到花蓮去嗎你可以到那個大馬最主要的街道去看一下吧現在除了剛剛委員說的橋尾會有這樣的方式之外我們去年年底副院長還主持了觀光的諮詢會議 |
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也召集了業者 大家也提出了相當的問題所以僑委會是不是有這樣的一個對 我想說僑胞回台的時候 他們社會應該需要去看看 可不可以結合報告委員 我們去年確實也有加碼在針對僑胞慶典返國的時候呢本來我們一般都補助三千塊那麼如果特別到花東去旅遊的我們就補助三千六百塊那這樣子做當然有多少增加一些誘因成效怎麼樣呢 |
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如同剛剛這個交通部所報告的就是說因為去年一直不斷有颱風跟地震的因素影響所以最終真的去到花東旅遊的人數那我想請問一下今年會不會再有補助今年我們會繼續比照就是說增加我們的花東觀光特約商店以及再增加一樣3600的補助那今年就是還會有然後做更好的規劃然後再加碼 |
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另外我再跟您補充一下現在我們有香港飛花蓮的班機那也是一個班機一個包機補助28萬這個部分有在努力 |
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院長也有特別交代我們希望禮拜一到禮拜天每一天都有台北飛花蓮的班機那這個部分也已經在進行當中所以每個禮拜一到禮拜天每一天都有班機飛花蓮台北到花蓮我再問一下部長一個問題有關於花蓮鐵路高架化的交通的問題 |
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這個台灣的東部在花蓮市和吉安鄉這邊有七個平面的平交道其實他是穿越花蓮市和吉安鄉的鬧區所以針對這個時候之前民怨的情況下據我了解這個計畫來來回回的修了好幾次而且112年4月的時候那時候前交通部長已經同意了 |
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將花東地區鐵路雙軌電氣化的計畫工程納入花蓮站和甘城站7個鐵路平交道的高價立體化辦理並且全額的負擔而且那時候我看是4562億餘元編到哪就做到哪然後114年編了600億那我想請問一下 |
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根據我現在看那台鐵花蓮和吉安甘城站的高架工程那哪時候可以規劃動工呢而且據我最近了解我也覺得很奇怪就是目前計畫書送到行政院的石層大海音訊全無是不是改以鐵路平交道與環境改善設施的周邊土地的計畫審查要點審查就是中央已經不全額的負擔費用了那我想請教一下院長 |
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中央不全額負擔的原因是什麼而且目前計畫書是不是已經到行政院了那如果到行政院了可以加速審核嗎報告委員您剛所提的這個高價化的部分目前因為它的合理性 |
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我們還有一些質疑啦因為其他的縣市的高價化他不是放在雙軌電機那是112年4月的時候交通部長 前交通部長王國才就正面回應了他就說這個他會全部列入而且答應全額負擔你要騙我們花蓮人啊 |
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謝謝林益君委員質詢,謝謝卓院長的備詢接下來我們請莊瑞雄委員請質詢 |
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謝謝院長有請我們行政院卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢請衛福部邱部長內政部劉思芳劉部長裁縱部部長 |
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部長好 辛苦我想前這一陣子全台這個醫院的急診跟加護病房這個擁捨讓我們整個行政院還有衛福部每天都在找這個解方但是如果來看全台灣整個醫療的一個資源在我們本島我看比較跟不上我用的是比較跟不上的字眼其實比較匱乏的一個地方 |
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在半島裡面應該就是台東那你看目前全台灣這個醫療中心23家裡面東部就只有一家就是花蓮的慈濟那如果區域醫院的話全台87家東半部6家其實宜蘭3家 花蓮2家 台東也只有一家 |
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那本期今天倒不是要來跟院長或者部長來討論東西醫療資源的分配不均或者說醫療中心區醫院的一個數量的問題我是想從更務實的角度來向卓院長請命 |
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也就是說,其實我在很多的台東的民眾來跟我反映,其實台東這兩大問題嘛,大家都知道是觀光的問題,交通,涉及到交通,還有整個醫療的一個問題啊。 |
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那一般常常被提到的就是醫療的一個議題裡面尤其是台東馬界台東馬界就是東馬那東馬可以說是整個台東醫療的一個大動脈重度的急診跟創傷團隊裡面全台東就只有東馬有那其餘的醫院像你說東積、龍總、鼠東或者關山、慈濟這個都是一般的一個急診 |
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也就是說一般只要你碰到了稍微複雜或嚴重的一個病患病患幾乎全部都是送到東馬去那今天要跟院長請命的就是說台東我們政府希望給他提升他的醫療的一個量能加強他的一個強度可是呢這幾家你說政府在那邊重開醫院不可能 |
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那你說其他最有能量的在台東裡面最高等級的現在就是東馬 |
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那東馬他自己本身呢他也籌措了快20億他要去做一個擴建可是在台東大家知道因為地形的關係啊還有就是幾乎整個土地啊大部分都是將近98都是這個國有土地那些問題來了就是說在整個東馬他這一家醫院就台東最依賴的六七成的病患會送到這個地方的他現在40年了他的整個 |
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住宿就是醫師或者護理人員住宿這樣的一個環境防災也變成說已經老舊了防震也都已經幾乎以現在的標準來看都不合格了所以他需要宿舍可是有需要宿舍他有錢也沒有用沒有土地 |
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醫院它要擴建也涉及到又沒有土地那所以呢醫療人員住宿的一個問題甚至於整個醫療硬體的一個設施老舊不足的一個問題那這個都必須要進一步的解決能夠去幫他解決的我跟院長報告就只有院長你有這個能力就只有我們政府有這個能力 |
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也就是說我們只要政府我們拿出措施你也不用去出到錢把我們的公有土地在當地的你把它做一個活化我們政府嘴巴講的說要加強台東的醫療的一個量能就可以辦得到那剛好在東馬旁邊三分鐘會走路的我就跟成癮委員然後陪著台東醫院的王院長 |
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就跟他們到了這個整個這一塊我們財政部國財安署的一個土地啊這塊紅色的地啊三分鐘就在他旁邊啊那我給院長或是部長你們看個影片這個影片呢以目前就是我們內政部移民署在使用我走進去嗎整棟你走進去你看走進去是這樣門的邊你看裡面是這樣沒在拍嘛 |
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你再去看一看,沒有在用。隔壁經,你再看一看,也沒有在用。門打開之後,裡面是放這個。這個不是在講移民署說他沒有去善用,因為他沒有用到這個空間。我跟劉部長講的就是說,我們移民署在國有財產署這一塊土地這麼大的土地裡面,他只用到後面的一棟。 |
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前面山洞就像我現在放的影片出來是這樣子那是不是我們營運署沒有用到那麼快那麼大塊的一個土地那這塊土地剛好是我們財政部國財產署所擁有那是不是請院長可以來跨部會做一個協調我相信邱部長你就清楚嘛能夠撐起整個台東的醫療就是一個東馬他不需要你政府給他錢他自己他籌措的資金可是 |
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他要改善硬體措施 他要去縮小 他要去添加牛 他沒有土地我這個 我相信邱部長很清楚嘛就東馬可以撐起這個整個台東的醫療的量能我們政府要怎麼樣去幫助他這個是不是請這個財政部部長您會對國產署加這個土地 這樣可以來做一個活化啊不像剛才放在那裡 也沒人贏啊 裡面黑黑草草 我很想去拚拚 你知道嗎 想說 不好意思 還你們的 |
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那拚命也不好 拚命如果我替你們拚命之後整個地方看是要送給東馬還是要送給周恩這個可以造福整個台東甚至於我看賴總統最近也在講啊你看整個健康委員會裡面也提到啊整個各地的尤其是比較偏遠地方的你醫療量能你要怎麼樣去做照顧這是政府的責任是不是請我們卓院長來做一個回應 |
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我們先請部長向委員答覆這塊土地目前的屬性如何現在它有沒有使用的計畫那來看看這個屬性有沒有辦法做其他的轉換那什麼樣的使用是最合理的我們跟委員來討論 部長來討論先跟委員說明 就我們了解這個部分因為它是因為是機關用地是機關用地 都市計畫是屬於機關用地 |
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那馬街醫院如果需要使用的話那我覺得我們這個部分可能還要再進一步的協商看看以什麼樣的方式以現行來說國產法可以合法提供給馬街醫院使用的一個方式我們可以進一步再來討論那當然目前來說這個部分我們也希望這閒置的房舍能夠活化運用是最重要的那同時也能夠充實台東地區的醫療資源我跟部長報告都沒有使用計畫 |
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長久這麼久的時間都沒有使用計畫 閒置在那個地方可惜啦 一定會覺得很可惜如果沒有法所禁止 甚至我們可以通過許多變更的方式來符合而且現在也沒有影響到這塊土地現在所訂的任何的使用計畫那我也請財政部 國產署跟委員 我們跟台東馬街醫院來做一個協調把這個土地的屬性合理的轉換 那麼 |
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跟他訂定一個合理的使用的一個方式好不好謝謝院長那也拜託各部會不要吵知道人家沒有使用計畫你們突然提一個計畫出來那第二個我請劉部長請回我們財政部部長也請回邱部長也請回我請我們交通部部長 |
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部長,我看台東你應該很清楚,就是觀光也是算你的重大的一個責任,交通跟觀光這個是台東很大的一個議題,還有包括剛剛我提到的醫療的一個問題。 |
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去年左院長跟部長在地震跟颱風後前到台東我相信兩位都有很深的一個感觸你說北迴鐵路的部分這個0403以後 強震以後你說整個北迴的部分那因為土石流淹沒列車出軌凱米颱風來了以後你又看到它整個土石淹沒以後軌道又被淹沒所以對我們整個東部地區來看的話 |
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其實交通建設它的韌性它強度跟西部來比的話它是有很大的一個距離一個地形的一個關係那可是呢我們在民進黨執政以後我剛從蘇院長或你前面的王部長他也一直提到台灣生活一日生活圈裡面就四個九十分鐘 |
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你從台北到高雄90分鐘你從高雄要到台東也要90分鐘那這一塊我看可能時間還會比較長一點你們計畫都還沒有提那你從台北宜蘭到花蓮又是90分鐘那你花蓮到台東90分鐘四個90分鐘串起來一日生活圈 |
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可是真正要看的話這個政策其實只有實行的四分之一啦真正完成的只有四分之一啦可是呢台東兼花蓮它基於地形的一個因素它整個仰賴的一個交通裡面啊它不像西部啊有高鐵啊還有比較綿密的公路的一個建設台東就只有一條公路而已嘛一條而已啊再存一個鐵路那可是當 |
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有重大災害的時候它就產生很大的一個影響可是這次我們看到你們在今年的就是上個月而已2月21號召開的費率的審議委員會裡面通過台鐵票價的調整的方案那這樣的一個方案我看剩下來就是左院長來做一個核定 |
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如果說一個票價30年沒漲那你說都不能漲立法院要求都不能漲這也好奇怪我們也不敢做這樣要求不符合成本嘛我們也知道可是是不是有可能院長我們做一個特殊的考量你想你西部整個 |
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軌道的建設 或者公路的建設或者整個交通的一個韌性那跟東部來做比較的話東部呢 我們很明顯的他就是差太多了他就是因為地形的一個因素然後呢 知道的紅灘哪來差不多都沒有十八到九 都在台東這邊來的嘛 |
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那這樣你去做一個調漲 有沒有可能對於花蓮跟台東你說我哪有好心 剛才林立軍都說花蓮而已 我都花蓮台東這回說就說在東部地區 我們去做一個比較特殊的一個考慮不要說 喔 都去 全國都去 我也知道票價應該是 同樣都是不應該分各縣市 可是你如果去考量到 |
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你整個政府的交通建設還有整個國土的一個地形對東部來講的話如果你去把它做差別待遇的處理的話這合理喔 |
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院長不曉得你的看法,或是博定你覺得怎麼樣?案子我還沒有看到實際上的內容,我知道他送到行政院來那審議委員會在審議的時候有沒有獲得到這個地位上的差別?博定,我跟他建議,台東到花蓮不要去啊好,報告委員,其實目前他們的票價計算的公式其實是以距離每一個人他的距離為主所以確實我們在東部地區沒有做特別的處理 |
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可是這樣不公平對 但是委員您在建議我們就會跟台鐵來討論例如說假使對於那邊的住民居民時常在搭乘的時候有沒有什麼樣子的會員的方案可以讓他有更多的優惠或者是折扣可以思考用折扣的方式來處理那這個我們跟台鐵來討論平等原則大家都知道國人各縣市一律平等那我當然知道可是你特殊狀況你就做差別待遇才是合理的啊 |
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政府對東部或者東部特殊的地形或者東部它因為的地形承受到的大自然的一個災害它比其他的縣市它是顯而可見的你去把它做差別大義沒有人敢說這不對啊 |
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所以你如果說花蓮台東這個鐵路票價雖然費率審議委員會通過要調漲花蓮台東不漲,我會怕沒辦法,上次在我鐵路上趕走花蓮到台東之間我們有TPAS,所以這個部分是不會影響的如果是花蓮跟台東中間,中間這一段的話但是如果到西部的話我們可以思考住民跟居民有沒有可能用什麼樣的會員折扣的方式我們來討論 |
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到花蓮跟到台東 如果不去調整 另外一個好的因素就是你不用走到川陪陪 那個地方你就知道花蓮跟台東觀光涉及到整個交通成本啊還有時間的因素啊 我剛才跟他說的四個九十分鐘的如果都沒有拍攝完 一段三十分鐘 兩段來回就一個小時耶 |
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然後你交通成本在花東的部分你給他做一個差別待遇這是很合理的差別待遇那你又可以吸引更多人可以到花東這個地方啊而且對當地來講的話心理上也是一個彌補啦因為他真的住在那 |
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以前我在屏東的時候,我們屏東都站著要保水我現在去台東,我覺得台東又越來越水,我也跟你說,東北又越來越水我這樣一個委員報告因為這次的調整,雖然我還沒有看到完全的內容我只要TPAS影響是最少的,短程的包括說它花蓮到台東是有那長程的呢,因為它有跟高鐵有一些競合我也希望能夠保持台鐵的競爭力所以它也會靠這樣考量那至於說東部呢,因為它選擇性比較少啦 |
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他選擇性比較少所以結論就是不長是合理的啦院長的意思就是說因為選擇很少所以花東不用長啦不長他的院長的意思是這個意思啦院內在審議的時候我們在針對這一點在大家來討論 |
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另外上次院長去的時候你是講說台東到資本是2027年底通車花蓮到台東雙軌你是2028四月你那個時候講說我看你真的有可能要進度部長你們要盯一下你原來進度到今天是38.4可是實際上只有27.89你們很有 |
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好 谢谢庄瑞雄委员的好 谢谢庄瑞雄委员的咨询谢谢卓院长 各部会首长的备询谢谢报言会我们现在休息我们4点20分继续开会 |
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有請卓部長麻煩再請卓院長備詢卓院長 對不起 |
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謝主席黃委員好好現在弄得一個沸沸揚揚我想請教一下針對明天總預算及裁劃法復議案的朝夜協商那院長對於總執行及裁劃法提交復議的態度為何及未來會採集什麼樣的一個立場來說明一下好不好 |
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總預算的部分跟委員報告我們有列舉了12項自愛難行那大的分項來看第一個就是稅出的三減數它的總數對第一次送到行政院來的是沒有一個加總的數字的這是以前所沒有的 |
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其中當然這刪減數沒有正式的宣讀出來這個將來在這個紀錄上形成會有所爭議另外就是要求行政院自行通案刪減的部分用3%計算有939億其中有636億到現在還找不出刪減的項目金額是在哪裡那叫行政院自己來刪636億我想這個是相當為難的一件事情 |
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我想這個化世代到現在我們在過去的執政在立法院都非常 行政院都非常尊重我們在立法院所提出的各議案然後經三度通過然後在你們這些執政的時候 |
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只要是我們不管是在野或是其他的友黨共同能夠經過刪除通過也是合法的程序那為何你們處處都要提出一個復議案或者是違憲百姓不解很多我們非常善良的百姓非常不解那另外就是如果總預算及財化法復議案 |
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未通過實際上其詳細的會影響哪些部會和哪些政務請教一下院長明確的說明我先跟委員報告我提出過四點若不是對憲政的秩序有破壞若不是影響到人民的權利若不是讓行政院在執行預算上面自在難行若不是 |
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沒有經過這個充分的討論跟民主的表決行政院是不會輕易提出的我想朝野協商朝野協商都已經經過了這個程序來跟行政院討論這些才化法包含我們這些選罷法 |
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及總預算都有經過程序來做一個協商討論你總是會提到自愛難行自愛難行然後又提出違憲或者是復議這就是一個執政單位一個胸襟 |
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到底能不能以百姓為主要百姓的扶持今天我們是監督我們的總預算包含有不公不義的我們都在這個地方表決這是非常清楚的但行政院老是用這樣的一個方案自愛難行又提出復議 |
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這造成了很多國人或是產生在野或是以執政黨的一個對立這對百姓來講真的是不好的一句話就好我們在大院的委員職權刑事法當中經過釋憲它確實有違憲之處所以這個程序是讓大家能夠再回到憲法的次序那現在緊接著來的包括財化法 |
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包括選罷法等等都還在這個程序當中這個都還沒有經過排定下來過去這個案例來講不會常態性的但是有個案但是不會常態性所以在民主的程序我們都已經走過了我想 院長我是一個中華民國阿美族 |
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在台灣我想我們在對人之間都是一個善待針對福國利民的當然我們是以誠來訴說好不好你思考很多委員都已經提到這個方案那百姓 |
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都已經是交鎖在那個地方為什麼我們今天的財這個財化法是不能執行的今天有很多的伏鞭我們就是要監督這是我們的責任財化法的水平分配是有問題的我講到這個就好了那希望你能夠再做一個思考總統的國務紀號費全部被刪除這個是鐵的事實 |
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兩千萬被刪除 一千萬被凍結 這個是鐵的事實讓總統在國務卿要費上面是沒有辦法執行監察院百分之百被刪減跟凍結不管是刪減 凍結我們都已經有在各個委員會裡面都有相互的尊重而且都有一些解凍的問題今天已經三月初了這三個月以來總統的國務卿要費是沒有辦法凍的監察院是百分之百被刪減跟凍結但是也是沒有辦法凍的 這個是鐵的事實 |
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反正現在你們執政黨說了就算沒有尊重到民意的基礎我們就是民意代表了民意來訴諸這些政府能夠按照民意尊重民意現在我講的國防議題你們不會請國防部長備詢 |
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有關於賴清德打算要提特別預算將國防支出提高到GDP的3%賴總統在2月14號召開國安會議並在會議後表示將優先編制特別預算讓國防預算達到GDP的3%以上的目標院長政府將提出國防採購的特別預算 |
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那這件事已經是確定了嗎在總統主持國安高層會議之後基於國家的需要我們要強化自己的國防力量我們還有很多先進的武器跟我們後續的裝備還有人員的整備都必須要全面的提升所以如果用公務預算長年的公務預算在執行上顯然是困難的顯然是沒有辦法一次做整套的一個預算的規劃所以未來我們已經朝向 |
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要請求立法院也能夠一起來支持那院長的回答是嘛 是吧是 我們希望大院也能夠來支持好 待會我提出以上的幾項要特別預算的 編列的幾個規定我必須要再跟國人瞭解也要跟院長瞭解這樣的一個編列特別預算的舉動 |
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是不是政府向川普政府展現了我們致力對抗中共的威脅的潔心所以你剛剛已經回答是所以賴總統提出的這個特別預算實際上是一種向美國的表態目的是在回應川普在與美國總統大選期間指責我國國防支出不足並要求我國應該把經費提高到 |
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GDP的百分之十的訴求也是在回應川普要求台灣要支付防衛的保護費院長我國編列特別預算條件是什麼以下我要讓你知道如果你現在可以回答你也可以馬上回答我我們為了國家重大正式的支出是需要我們可以用稅金甚至舉債的方式來編列特別預算 |
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剛剛我講的我國編列的特別預算的要件是什麼如果你不回答我現在我根據根據預算法的83條特別預算的提出要件必須是什麼第一個國防緊急設施或戰爭第二國家經濟重大的變故第三重大的災變第四 |
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第四不定期或數年一次是重大的正事請問一下院長這樣的要件當中有沒有任何一項滿足外國政府需求的沒有一項是需求我們沒有依照委員說的理由啊我國編列是我們政府自己的事國防支出是否一定要達到GPT的3%要看 |
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國家實際財政狀況來需求而不是看美國的需求中華民國是獨立自主的一個國家不是美國的附庸國這請民進黨政府要搞清楚國家的立場剛剛以下四點我都已經提出來第一 國家緊急涉事戰爭或戰爭二 國家經濟重大變故三 重大災變 |
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第四不定期或數年一次之中重大的正式正式是在預算特別法裡面第83條講得非常清楚我們第二個很多委員現在提出我們現在的士官兵 |
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加入我們國軍的戰力是不是要提出一到三萬未來提高他們的薪資以保障軍人的待遇現在我們國防要提高到百分之三我們的軍備當然國軍戰力我絕對支持可是胡編亂編或者是要提高到GDP的百分之三對我們國政的財政 |
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的支出絕對是影響絕對影響那如果今天我們在招兵在募兵的制度裡面到現在都沒有達標那我們如何要在比例原則能夠在這個中間裡面來拉近如果你3%的GDP好我們國金的國利呢你說 |
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跟委員報告一下就是根據預算法的83條的第一項第四款剛剛你有念到的就是說如果有數年一次的這個重大證實可以在年度的總預算外提出這個特別預算那因為如果達到GDP的3% |
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我們如果都放在年度的總預算內有可能會排擠到你回答得非常好但是現在我要告訴你我國目前的狀況狀態是什麼是在戰爭還是準戰爭還是在動亂 |
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還是在持平的時期各位委員報告第四款它沒有這樣的要件如果你搭配第二項的規定來看的話如果是屬於緊急的狀態之下它甚至是可以因應情勢的緊急需要可以先行支付一部分那沒有包括第四款所以特別預算的編列如果是屬於四年一次的重大正式 |
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那這一個部分有特別需要的話就可以編列特別預算所以我們包括F16B也是特別預算包括我們的海空戰力特別提升也是提出特別預算這個都是有潛力的國金的提升 |
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戰備的提升我們沒見我絕對支持可是現在不是在戰爭中或是準戰爭而且不是在動亂另外就是現在我們是陳平的時期裡面不以這個為前提 |
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不以這個為前提所以您看特別對到第二項現在我要講的是比例原則好不好我們現在的募兵制度募兵政策沒有達標如何因應我們要提高到我們的戰備戰力所以這就是一個比例原則嘛所以我們要讓國人知道不是要提高到我們的戰備然後我們沒有阿兵哥啊沒有官士兵啊 |
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所以這邊我再請教一下院長根據斯科達達爾摩國際和平研究所2023世界金融市場支出趨勢報告中提出2023各國金融市場支出佔 |
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TB的比例超過3%的國家有美國3.4%俄國5.9%沙烏地阿拉伯7.1%烏克蘭37%波蘭3.8%以色列5.3%阿爾及利亞8.2%科威特4.9%希臘2% |
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百分之三點二阿曼百分之五點四那全球平均的這個GDP的這個國防戰備的支出站在百分之二點三其中超過百分之五的國家幾乎都是正在戰爭當中或處在動亂的國家連美國全世界駐軍的打戰他的經費支出也只不過是GDP的百分之三點四 |
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那請教一下這是事實啊媒體都這樣報導了我現在不講中華人民共和國我們現在講的是全球全球如果講中共這樣的話等一下又被你們抹紅抹黑今天我們講全球我們根據這個 |
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斯德格摩爾國際和平研究所所報導出來的所以他沒有調查中國嗎他沒有調查中國沒有寫啊有沒有沒有寫他沒有寫這樣中國那我們再查一下中國 |
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所以我們在整個國際裡面來講我們提高到百分之三如果按照平均值來2.3應該是符合符合在全球裡面站在這樣的一個國防支出所以部長你認為我們一定要提高到百分之三嗎跟委員報告 據我了解中國的年度的國防運算的支出 |
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因為他不是很透明所以不是很清楚大概估算在4000億美金左右這樣子的一個規模再加上中國始終不放棄武力犯台我們在這樣子的一個面對這個敵情日益嚴峻的這樣子的一個年代我們要以 |
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民主同盟的概念來加強自我防衛的能力跟決心這是必要的一個展現如果我們不能夠提升自我防衛的能力的話那麼我想沒有辦法傳遞出這樣的一個訊息的話國際不會伸出援手的所以我們要展現這樣的自我防衛的能力跟決心當然GDP的3%這樣的一個目標如果說 |
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我們依照這個實際防衛的需求那能夠快速的獲得我們所需要的四大面向我們一再強調就是建構一個關鍵的不對陣戰力強化防衛的韌性提升後備戰力以及有效應對灰色地帶行動這個四個面向的話我們會整體來規劃還有根據整個國家整體的財力 |
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真來快速的能夠就快速獲得的項目納入我們優先籌購的標的的話盡量來努力 |
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盡快達成GDP3%以上的目標我們才能向世界展現好 那是部長的說辭如果簡單原因在客觀的條件下是不允許的另外我再請問一下院長待會部長你也回答一下知不知道國慶目前面臨最嚴重的問題是什麼以下國慶現在正在面臨的嚴重的問題是一人力的缺乏二 |
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這個邊線比不足第三賠錢提前退伍年輕人從今意願低即時要加薪從今意願的人還是很少讓這個我們去看看如果清了根本沒有人願意 |
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簽自願役或申請自願役的大家都知道所以我們國防支出在GDP的3%有錢買武器卻沒有人去使用武器這就是我們現在的問題所在剛剛我一直提出比例原則那如果今天我們的國力 |
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人力今天的筆現實如果是超乎標準的話 |
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那提高我們的戰備戰力也應該過去裡面我們很多的這一些國軍士官兵都願意為國家奉獻為國家犧牲可是後面他的保障是什麼所以變成現在的意願很多年輕人不想打戰也不想加入國軍行列如果在我們這個年代裡面只要是政府國家需要我們的我們絕對是義務 |
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絕對是服從一定是單兵為國家效力這就是現在的時空背景不一樣那你們現在要提高這一些的武器那請問我們的筆線筆這個編制的筆線筆不足的情況所以你們現在要討論的是如何加強我們的國力 |
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讓我們的人力增加讓我們這一些募兵制要達到標準這才是你們現在所要做的事情部長 也要院長回答一下委員的指教我們虛心接受就是說 |
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我們在招募的成效方面還有留營的成效上面還有以及減少提前退伍這個人數上面我們都應該要加以努力那有關待遇的調整的部分這邊特別跟委員提出報告就是說我們也經過多次的討論 |
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事實上總統就任之後就馬上要求我們在這方面做研議然後我們現在也研議了之後也跟行政院這個部分開始做討論那已經有了初步的共識我們希望這個待遇提升的這個方案能夠盡早的確定之後然後來讓這個基層的官兵有感那我第二點我跟委員報告我們從就我們在這方面的努力上面來看的話 |
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今年來看就今年來看去年的話已經有一些初步的生效以主動申請提前退伍人數來看的話113年已經比112年減少了325個人然後113年流盈率就是說期滿在續扶的這個流盈率比前一年增加了3.5個百分點已經來到了82%所以我們現在當然要針對的是主戰部隊就是說戰鬥部隊的這一個 |
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他的邊線比確實比較低我們會在這個部分來提高他們的待遇邊線比不足 這要加強第二個 木槟寺的 |
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募兵制的招兵你們更要加強現在很多的意願不高所以你們把國軍的待遇的制度麻煩你們提升這是一個現在要當兵或者要有意願者要加入國軍行列的時候你們應該要編能夠符合他們的需求而不是 |
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不是我們亂編現在他們的期待因為物價指數又上漲那如何我當編了我沒有保障我誰願意去啊沒有誘因嘛所以院長你的看法勒提高國軍的待遇是總統上任以來就交代的事情剛剛部長已經交代這個程序已經在院裡面在審議當中我們會進行討論讓他上路 |
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增加待遇為的就是要充足國軍的兵源讓我們有足夠的能力再來就充實 精實他的整個訓練的過程 |
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我們從過去的經時到現在的不推生誕生整整我們都不是養一隻龐大的軍隊而是養一隻可用的軍隊那這個都是在提升國防力量的一環提升國防力量不單只是買武器人員的提升增加都是一環所以如果委員支持我們要來送出這樣的最佳預算請委員跟我們一樣站在國家基本之所需求提升國防力量從人到裝備到武器這整個我們一併的做 |
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多年性的一個考量我們從客觀的角度是不允許從另外一個角度提高國金的戰備國力這是我們現在政府要加強的那當然 |
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比線比人數的問題這是最缺乏目前來講所以我們有沒有提高到3%第二個我們要因應美國要求這樣的一個政策來講國人絕對不諒解很多對政府現在的做法要特別預算的編制然後追加 |
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這樣國人對執政非常的不諒解也沒有辦法把我們的財政作用在我們的戰備裡面 |
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應該要民生法案要非常重要因為美國現在川普已經就任了他威脅到整個國際的這樣的一個要求不管在從經濟面我們現在賴總統已經就任到現在我們應該從民生法案、經濟法案、交通、觀光應該從這樣的角度裡面來著力 |
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這才是一個真正 而不是現在要搞大罷免造成民不了生造成我們現在產生一個對立為什麼會這樣子 請問所以我現在必須要講的我跟委員簡單說我想所有的經濟環境都要站在一個前提之上就是這個區域是一個和平穩定的一個區域我們是希望在維持這個印太的和平穩定 |
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這個是美國所要看到全世界要看到我們台灣也要看到的這個都是大家的一個共同我們要因應印太的角度我們也要適量適量而為不是美國今天提出來在選舉的過程就提出說我們要我們要繳保護費要提高到百分之三到百分之十這個就是我們今天要對國人而所交代不是我們現在 |
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我們不是現在在找一些理由來面對我們當然是衡量我們自己的財政能力財政能力 國防需求你既然對其這樣講呢我們適量地國防預算是台灣的16.5倍啊我們適量地國金的占率 占倍的支出 |
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在客觀上都不允許的情況我們也要傾聽民意的心聲不是政府說了就算我們要跟民主國家共同維持印代的和平穩定跟安全這個責任大家應該要分擔我們也要有自己的決心因為現在中共的兵 |
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國防預算是我們的16.5倍他逐年增加都在7%以上那這個是事實那我們不是跟他做捐備競賽也沒有辦法跟他做競賽我們只是在我們的財政能力上面依照國防所需要 復取印太地區和平穩定跟世界我們的有門國家共同負擔這個責任而已 否則 |
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29412.807 |
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世界這個極權國家的武力的威脅會一直存在甚至會升高如果我們夠強我們才有和平可言好了反正我是跟你講說我們不要變成台灣變成烏克蘭這個以下是做一個結論另外我特別部長請回另外 |
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這個修訂老人福利法重要性的強調65歲以上那當然這次我在在進行期間然後我也是尊重我們65歲以上是不是來朝向國家養原因是什麼他從年輕對國家的奉獻對國家的這個 |
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這個努力老人呢現在我們的長照當然我們很多這些我們的長照福利政策在全國裡面現在的文件站嚴重的文件站現在整個來講總共510個文件站對老人的敬重跟照顧當然是應該的可是他們在年輕的時候他們曾經在每一個職場裡面奉獻給社會國家 |
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那老了我們應該是不是擬定一個老人福利政策那是不是朝向65歲以上老人有國家養根據財團法人國家衛生研究院在105年到106年原住民族人口及健康統計年報 |
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從109年5月版105年男性原住民族的平均餘命只有67.5%女性只有76.4%分別比一般男性跟女性低於9.3歲及7.0歲 |
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另外也是在年期相關的年薪制度例如國民年薪從第53條公務人員退休之前服卸法第17條公立學校教師退休之前服卸條例第18條農民退休除夕條例第15條 |
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29545.373 |
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皆已經規定原住民以55歲即可退休僅臨相關年輕或可支領的相關的儲金那請問院長內政部及原民會主委老人福利法第二條條文本法所稱老人是指65歲以上的國民那是否同意修訂老人福利法第二條條文將55歲 |
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以上的嚴肅品納入符合公平正義因應全球的老化內政部最新的統計截至2024年8月底我國65歲以上的人口將近442萬 |
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那占全體人口的18.9%那依國家發展委員會推估2025年65歲以上將突破20%代表2025年台灣將正式跨入世界衛生組織定義的 |
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超年齡的一個社會所以成為全球人口最老化快速的國家之一所以台灣社會將面臨前所未有的四大挑戰包含第一中高年齡就業歧視第二基礎環境不友善國家醫療資源不足孤獨等成為社會必須正式的原因 |
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好 謝謝黃衡委員 |
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29664.48 |
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好的麻烦行政院把黄仁委员的要求的书面报告送黄委员研究室谢谢谢谢卓院长相关部会所长贝奇谢谢黄仁委员的咨询谢谢接下来我们请登记第16号何新纯委员请咨询 |
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謝謝院長那我們是不是請左院長還有請我們經濟部部長麻煩再請左院長經濟部備詢何委員好 |
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院長好在進入我在關心台中議題之前我先關心台灣的經濟產業前總統馬英九今天表示在擔憂台積電赴美投資擴大他認為是不是台灣的產業都外移了然後呼籲我們賴清德總統要守護台灣的產業就我個人而言我的認知因為我第一屆立委的時候剛好是馬英九總統執政時候 |
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跟現在相比不管是跟蔡英文總統跟賴清德總統相比我們執政之後確實是比前朝更守護台灣的產業不僅僅是台積電而已還有很多的中小企業微型企業院長你認為前總統馬英九是不是擔憂的不是這個方向 擔憂太多了 |
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馬前總統任內從台灣的產業到中國去的那種狀況我們現在想起來心中都還覺得那確實是超過了一些如果不是那樣子的話我想中國的發展不會這麼快用這種近乎是傾銷的高壓的方式在全世界做這樣的一個 |
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我們覺得不合理的一個貿易的行為沒錯 甚至後來引起美中貿易戰對不對所以馬總統的憂慮我想在他的那個時代已經成為一個歷史的過去了那現在 跟留台灣 壯大台灣才是我們的政策目標即使產業到外國去做全球的佈局 |
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我們除了要兼顧到這個公司這個產業的發展之外我們更會保障我們在國內尤其是半導體高科技產業它整個對國家整體競爭力的提升 |
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而且要跟流台灣這個是我們對產業界互相了解彼此立場跟政府站在一致的角度上面是 所以我特別要請求卓院長跟我們經濟部郭部長要重視第一個當然護國神山台積電它的全球佈局我們支持那也希望這個產業的最核心核心的技術是掌握自在我們台灣本土最重要的是護國群山的中小企業現在也開始轉型升級要佈局全球 |
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那我們同樣政府要作為這些護國群山中小企業的一個後盾那尤其這兩年來經濟的一個不景氣因為全球的一個局勢不太穩定所以呢我最近在中部地區走訪我們有很多的中小企業非常優質那也願意來轉型升級但是擔憂的是什麼 |
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轉型升級都需要自我的投資之外要政府的支持那還有在經濟不景氣的時候我們政府更要加碼去相挺這些能夠為台灣拚經濟而且照顧在地員工的中小企業微型企業而這些我都必須要拜託我們行政院拜託經濟部我們一定要加強力道來支持我知道賴清德總統 |
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29923.659 |
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那也有去參加工具機現在正在台北的世貿展覽賴總統用行動來表達他支持的態度但是呢我希望在行動表達跟態度的表示之外我們的實質的一個支持跟補助跟扶植的力道還要再加強還要再落實啊 院長好 報告委員總統多次的指示也要求 |
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我們一定要具體落實中小微企業多元振興的方案我們的三策略三配套跟一個這個單一窗口 |
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29962.012 |
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經濟部是全力在推這個事情我們也編了116億的預算在今年的預算裡面我們希望它能夠涵蓋大概60萬家的中小企業如果這個計畫能夠徹底的執行我相信中小企業得到這個政策的補助跟協助會比過去多很多我們希望它向全球發展除此之外有沒有可能剛剛院長有提到跟流台灣投資台灣這個三大方案裡面第一個我知道有宣布要延長那這個延長 |
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29973.018 |
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我們行政院跟經濟部要表示立場這個延長到多久繼續延長支持挺中小企業的立場延長到2027年延長到2027對不對好那除了延長到2027之外我們對於所謂的現在在經濟不景氣之間 |
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苦撐著這些中小企業甚至很多中部的加工這個加工體系裡面的加工廠我們政府是不是能夠再重新評估要啟動如疫後振興或者是疫情的時候我們所謂的貸款融資的利息補貼政策能不能再延續加碼郭部長在一段時間跟很多的產業界面對面溝通進行很多的工作我們請郭部長來說明 |
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30033.474 |
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我們在這段時間裡面跟非常多的中小微企業來做面談然後我們了解他的困難然後來針對他的需求來提供服務首先我們一直在強調說我們要用AI的方式來提升他的功能性但事實上對這些小微的企業他不可能去學習所以我們現在改變方法 |
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直接由比如說做扣件的或者做工具的我們直接從我們的金工中心裡面金屬工業加工中心裡面我們設置這個實驗工廠把導入最新的這個設備用最好的這個AI的方式來教導他們讓他實際參與參與以後他如果有訂單他可以來我們這個工廠裡面生產 |
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30057.523 |
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30072.658 |
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生產環境他認為他可以擴大我們可以錢借給他讓他自己去蓋工廠你這個方法當然是其中之一我現在只是在提醒這兩三年中小的企業的傳統產業裡面的基礎工業的這些加工 |
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30093.175 |
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體系真的是不景氣你回去應該是說我回去台中的時候院長如果部長可以來台中看一看的話中部地區從過去坐山修士 坐室修山到現在還是差不多 |
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有沒有回春其實呢實際去走訪一下就知道那包括今天賴清的總統去工具機的這個展覽昨天那我想他也聽到了很多包括工會莊理市長跟各界的聲音啊在這個不穩定的情況之下景氣不好訂單減少能不能回春預期到什麼時候回春那政府的支持的力道到哪裡還有呢 |
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面對這個美國關稅的問題還有很多很多的一些未來的成本那這些都是中小微企業如同剛剛郭部長所講的我們要輔導他轉型升級除了政府的支持之外他自己也要投資那這個投資的部分我們政府又如何能夠在從中幫他一把這個不是教不教導的問題 |
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而是他們如何能夠系統性的在產業鏈的每一個環節裡面都能夠受惠都能夠感受到政府願意支持他們跟他們站在一起我覺得這個是重點有很多轉型的這個方面是政府要來做的郭部長這邊已經有相當的計畫我們現在甚至要幫他們打通國內國外的通路 |
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是所以我要拜託院長跟部長有機會來台中我陪你去看一看不是上市櫃公司而是上市櫃公司以外更多更中型更微型的中小企業加工廠你會看到他們的 |
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真的是這幾年撐得很辛苦所以我們把中台灣這四個縣市化為精密智慧的新核心就精密的傳統的這些製造業還有加上智慧數位的農業光學等等其他放在這個中部地區四個縣市新的核心把它形成起來未來它是一個互補的作用智慧製造新核心核心存希望這些的開發結果能夠信心向榮 |
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台中市要欣欣向榮最重要的是什麼一個城市的安全我必須先謝謝卓院長跟賴總統有到台中去關心星光三月的氣爆事件現在大家普遍全國要到台中去觀光或者是要到台中去辦事情很多的父母親或是很多的家長或是很多人的第一印象是我去到台中安不安全 |
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這個公共安全我想政府不管是中央或地方大家責無旁貸所以我就要請教國務部長請回我要請教內政部跟勞動部我只關心這三個問題新光三越氣爆事故到現在到底 |
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原因是什麼我們看不到台中市政府對外有清楚明白的交代原因只知道是氣爆那為何產生氣爆原因因為有原因才能夠救責那都還不知道原因的情況之下那到底這些後續的一個賠償問題該怎麼辦第二個 |
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建築物的安全問題我想今天星光三月會發生這樣子的一個公共安全的問題甚至影響到它的主結構的建物安不安全的疑慮那其他呢其他縣市我知道大家都啟動對於這個公共場所尤其是百貨業shopping mall都在啟動所謂稽查可是稽查到底徹不徹底 |
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到不到位能夠讓國人能夠去放心的去shopping去逛街這個安全要讓人民有感所以我們新光三越這個主體的建物安不安全那我們對於這個建築物的安全的檢查未來是不是要有所調整第三個問題那後續善後呢這些我們的貴哥貴姊還有清潔保全甚至美食街的員工甚至的很多是臨時人員 |
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這些人的員工的權益到現在我也不知道台中市政府他們處理的如何雖然這個不見得是我們中央政府的第一線必須要去負起的責任但是我覺得不分中央地方這件事就是要給國人一個清楚的交代要維護這些人的權益所以 |
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先謝謝院長跟賴總統但是我覺得我們中央政府後續還要持續關心所以今天特地來請教一下我們掌握的狀況是如何那天我去針對責任的追究以及這種建築物不要發生二次傷害另外它的從業人員分不同的類別就法的這個規定來看都有相當清楚的規定 |
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那在前面這部分請劉部長或者在最後勞工的部分請何部長謝謝何委員的關心何委員從頭開始就非常關心這個有關公共安全的問題我分兩個層面第一個消防安全的部分按照我們現在消防法的規定就是地方的這個台中市消防局他必須要在15天最晚30天內把這個火調資料移送給檢查機關來參考那現在因為當天這個台中的地檢署已經開始偵辦 |
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那基於偵查不公開的原則大概火掉的資料已經送到檢察官那邊來參考那第二個就是有關建築物本身也就是說他當時是不是在室內裝修的時候並沒有按照他的規範申請台中市同意然後就禁制裝修所以才會產生有所謂的氣爆這個我不太敢確定是否叫氣爆的原因 |
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所以我們現在已經在這次的狀況之後要求全台灣公共場所包括百貨公司或者大賣場趕快針對這個部分先看一下他們在瓦斯管線或者其他消防安全上面有沒有什麼問題必須要先處理的但是我們還是一樣因為基於他偵查不公開的原則我們的火調資料無法對外來做說明 |
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但是我們也一直提到這次的氣爆其實不只那一層樓它上下兩層樓都有受到重大的爆炸火災的影響所以整個的電梯是不能夠動的那既然整個電梯不能夠動的話全棟大概都不可能夠動所以我們很希望說台中市政府基於它是一個市政府的主責的部分不管在消防安全或者是人員出入安全上面還是要根據地檢署 |
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他們所開出來的這個不管是罰單也好或是檢查的這個方向先確保這棟建築不會有其他的二次傷害才能夠再啟動台中市的這個新光三越的百貨可不可以再繼續營業可是新光三越已經對外說他們拼三個月內要完成然後三個月後要開放再重新營業這一點如果沒有獲得台中市政府的這個首肯或者是法令上的允許的話我覺得這樣這是單方面的說法我覺得我們不一定可以認同 |
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那有沒有可能我們再更進一步的去針對所謂的公共安全的一個相關的檢驗的一個細項我們可以更仔細的去檢討那能夠確保我們各縣市或是各地的這個公共場合的一個大型的這個shopping mall也好百貨公司也好大賣場也好這個公共安全是能夠讓人家安心的 |
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剛剛我跟委員報告過我們在當發生之後的一個禮拜以內的國土署已經有發函給各縣市地方政府基於權責不管是他的經濟部門或是公務部門或者是屬於這個所謂的要凍土凍火的這個部分趕快做一個第一階段的檢修那有一些狀況的話馬上就要裁罰我們請消防署協助台中市政府趕快把這個責任釐清出來這樣才能夠讓大家能安心至於從業人員的部分 |
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因為台中興旺三院公司是直接對這個氣爆事件是負有責任所以我們很清楚興旺三院公司跟他的員工必須照職安法36條即便是停工期間都一定要工資照給這很清楚這絕對沒有任何模糊的空間 |
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第二是確實也有一些受影響的店家比方說就像委員講到的這個貴哥貴姊清潔保全他的雇主也是受波及可是即便他是受波及還是要負起來協助員工安置的責任我覺得這重點 |
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這個部分我們有沒有可能要求台中市政府勞工局去盤點新光三越裡面到底有多少的住點跟相關的這樣子的一個店家、行號我們如何去確保這些他們的員工是受到保障的委員我們已經要求了這個部分我們請 |
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就是你要來協助我們這些廠商因為就受過你的廠商要做安置的責任不可以任由這些廠商承諾你的資金或者是任意承諾你的資金目前回到回來的資料裡面現在看起來是有新休假是533家那有532家的廠商目前是 它是吊墊的老實那其他這些廠商目前還在做老實的協商 |
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好 謝謝何新淳委員的質詢謝謝卓院長及各部會首長的備詢接下來我們請今天登記第四七位也是今天質詢最後一位徐欣怡委員請質詢 |
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謝謝韓院長,本席有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢學員好院長好,辛苦了一整天首先本席要就我們春節之後 |
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我們各大醫院這個急診室的問題我相信也很多人有詢問那本席首先想知道是因為我們的總統本身是醫生那過去相信醫院的很多情況他也很了解那現在他身為我們中華民國的總統那我們急診室擁設的情況 |
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我相信您也了解不是一天兩天長期如此所以面對這次又再度引起等於是整個社會還有新聞這麼重大的關注本席想了解賴總統的態度如何他當然也是非常的焦急跟委員報告從春節之後連假之後的第一天上班我們就跟衛友部要求說盡快將這個事情 |
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他後來後面的演變會是怎麼樣做清楚的預判跟社會做清楚的說明那衛部也說了但是情形沒有改善沒有徹底的改善因為有很多諸多的因素但這些因素我們只是分析不是拿來做理由的那現在我們已經有幾個方式就是希望他第一個院內調控病房調控第二個區域聯防 |
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分流轉整第三個當然是比較中長期就是護理人員人力的增加等等這個已經在做那在這個過程當中總統幾次也當面的詢問我也當面的詢問這個邱部長是在健康台灣的會議當中也把它列為一個重要的議題請部長在座說明也做了準備那我現在跟 |
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知道衛福部已經每天會公布所有醫院他的空床的狀況希望他能夠給民眾一個直接的資訊讓大家知道說當我有需要的時候我是不是有可能自己知道我該到哪裡去如果你是坐救護車當然我們的系統是有了如果你自己要去這個急診的話你可以往那些比較沒有那麼慵懒的地方去讓我們這個資訊要公開要正確要及時這個衛福部都有在做 |
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謝謝院長我想您大概回答了很多位委員所以這一題您非常的熟悉但是本席要請教的是因為這個問題應該它也是長期下來院長剛剛這樣講包括您所講的本席也有看到邱部長在過去開了兩次的記者會裡面都有提到所以我們要問的是我們的目標 |
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就是說國外有關急診室譬如說英國、紐西蘭、加拿大、澳洲他們有定一個目標就是我們各大醫院急診室我們目標是4小時停留、滯留是4小時當然台灣現在我相信所有委員的了解我們民眾常常跟我們反映48小時到72小時的都有 |
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所以我們今天先就剛剛院長所說的我們現在希望說強化院內的病床調度機制過去難道沒有調度嗎你現在要強化你的部長也有講急診醫學會也說你要有蘿蔔跟棍子你的規範或是你的驅動力是什麼請部長 |
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好 謝謝 謝委員的關心剛剛院長已經整體的回覆過了那要補充一下剛剛提的急診醫學會的意見當然我們有開了三次的麻煩您就我說的那你現在各大醫學中心或是各大醫院它院內的調度機制如何比過去更好那你們具體的 |
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現在發生了,那我怎麼樣未來可以更好?衛福部有什麼具體的措施跟各大醫院做好這種溝通?我們現在研究蘿蔔就是如果有急診住院上去的健保這個會加成這就是蘿蔔那棍子的話我們當然會monitor您說那個蘿蔔健保如果有急診住院上去的住院的幾戶 |
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要把它提高所以讓他們的急診病房開更多醫院就比較有資源來更容易來調動那當然我們會要求那個如果比較輕症的不用急著開刀的就讓急診先住院這個也是一種 |
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也監測 當然各個醫院我們尊重每一個醫院的不同的文化以及它的嚴重度譬如說幾個例子 台大醫院他們都反映說我的門診的病人嚴重度都很高因為幾乎都是已經各個地方治療到相當的嚴重才到門診 才到台大醫院來他們要降低門診的住院難度會比較高像有的 |
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醫院他們就處理得成績相當的不錯所以這個也要給他們遵照他們的文化盡量來輔導來監測但是本席希望就是說因為輔導它還是一個口述那可能下一次再質詢的時候再過半年又發生這樣的事所以我們希望是能夠持續改進 |
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就本席看到一些過去的資料顯示好像台中榮總曾經他們的這種實施是從全國最庸塞的急診室結果變成他們整個的急診他們調度還有說急診流治率變得最低 |
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所以這一塊也許可以借進那接著本席也要再請教就是說剛剛有提到區域聯防的機制區域的這個指揮調度那這個再過去好像不太行得通會不會那未來我們衛福部到底什麼具體的措施是可以的不然的話我們看到的這個好像都是宣示性的可是實質上怎麼改進 |
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是的我們第一個我們會要求各縣市的衛生局加強區域由各縣市衛生局來調組基本上是他們要負責這整個協調縣內的一個縣市內的一個 |
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醫療人力的支援第二個以前其實當然上上下下的專診都有在做但是我們希望更加的落實尤其區域醫院的一個空床跟流資率比較低那一塊應該要有棍子吧或者是這個在醫院的評鑑裡面你們是不是也要納入這是一個醫學中心應有的責任在醫學中心的六大任務評鑑裡面也會包括在裡面 |
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我們現在的想法就是我希望每個區的醫學中心為主我們的部立醫院要全部納進去由醫學中心來做主那整個統合起來大家做一個聯防要是醫學中心做不好這個事情要是醫學中心做不好這個事情我們將來評鑑的時候會針對這個重點讓他因為這樣子而必須等級的調整都應該要做到這樣才是說的一個棍子 |
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好謝謝我們真的很希望能夠來落實那第三個就是我們大家都知道急診的醫護人力所以可能要有蘿蔔那我也看到這個邱部長在昨天的記者會有特別講兩大中長城的改革作為那為什麼是中長城他們現在醫護人力已經很缺了 |
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有關這個蘿蔔而且我看到114年也編列了那這為什麼列為中長程不是進程就可以開始實施其實第一個短程就是馬上要處理麻煩您檢答馬上relieve這個急診的壓力第二個當然這個其實都一直在進行比如說我們提出了一個護理人力增加的一個10號策略那從去年其實一直在做那我們在12月 |
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到去年的時候其實有增加了三千九八百位八百多位的一個護理人員其中有一千兩百位是在醫院當然在醫院裡面怎麼樣來加強他們願意在急重症的病房來工作因為的確是比較辛苦所以我們在健保署 |
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也有開會也會投注了30億部長我是請教就是說這應該是進程為什麼是列為中長程就是一直要做下去所以進程也會開始嘛進程現在就在做了那最後就是請教院長所以我們國外他們有一個目標是4小時但我們台灣現在要開始做的話是不是也應該訂個目標也就是說我們急診室 |
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台灣的急診室是不是可以比如說20個小時內因為現在都要48小時甚至其實我們很多的鄉親長輩72小時就是三天四天都還沒有還在急診室的大有人在所以北溪在這邊想請教院長那您覺得呢現在我們台灣碰到這樣的情況我們要不要訂個比如說可以先訂個進城的然後接著中長城我們達到多少確實如委員所說的我還看過 |
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孩子掛下來說等床時間還有更長的還有更長的那不是現在是之前幾年前就看到這個狀況但是一直沒有辦法解決這個問題因為我們完全沒有辦法落實這個轉診的制度這是一個也是因素之一其實轉診也跟這個區域調度各方面都有關那我要請部長研究一下合理的一個時間是多長我們很難馬上達到但是定下來之後我們用什麼配套來讓他能夠 |
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逐漸的接近這樣的理想的目標請問院長多久可以恢復 |
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我跟委員報告一下不好意思我沒有時間了是不是一個月還兩個月後可以等於你們應該去我們現在有超過24小時醫院就會通報嘛每個醫院有每個醫院的所以我們想知道現在目標設定我們可以分遠程中程遠程我不敢講那個是幾%進程48小時兩天內可以嗎 |
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幾乎全部兩天內來收進去的機會可以努力好 我們朝這個目標好不好好 謝謝我們這一題就到這好 謝謝接著本席想請教院長院長你應該知道我們台灣的詐騙真的是眾所皆知而且民眾苦不堪言 |
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那想請教院長您知道去年2024年整年度的詐騙案件數是多少 |
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對 我們表格弄出來了因為我們去年九月有一個統計數字的改變所以會增加很多好 增加很多所以我們現在秀出這個表格最重要本席想要說的當然在打炸四法通過之後本席也相信這個是全國 |
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不分朝野包含不管是政府民眾大家都希望台灣的這種詐騙的情況可以越來越少而不是越來越多那我們在數據裡面看到這真的是很可怕我們的這個2024年比2023年呢增加了324.68%等於從37,823件 |
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提高到122805件那我們的詐騙金額從89.44億提高到502.58億所以這種情況我們希望 |
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一定要這個緩下來再來本席也特別看了一下國外新加坡他們詐騙案件數也是增加但是他們增加的幅度沒那麼多澳洲就很了不起澳洲它逐漸衰減表示他們打詐成功所以首先本席要請院長是不是可以 |
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率領我們整個的這個打詐的團隊真的要借鏡一下國外有一些好的做法包含我們國內是不是有一些法令他還不夠完備然後有什麼樣的做法才能夠讓我們的這個詐騙不是哇這個叫做惡化速度很快 |
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它不是持平它是惡化速度很快其實我們是希望減少所以這一塊應該院長你應該認同吧是 謝謝委員因為立法院也通過了打詐釋法但釋法之後我們還有很多要持續進行的配套的措施要把它完全的完成這是一個 再來我剛剛說過我們去年九月我們把統計數字改變了所以數字增加很多但這個數字並不是真正的最後的 |
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受騙的數字 而是一種報案的數字沒關係 這個我了解我們後來改成人次嘛 對不對 受害人 人數但其實人數也是不少啦從6萬人成長到13.2萬嘛所以人數也是兩倍啦那所以這個 但是最重要 本席現在請教院長院長 如果啦 如果您被詐騙了您是希望犯人被抓到 還是希望錢能夠拿回來 |
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都希望那如果二則一呢先完成哪一個您都希望那你覺得民眾呢如果二則一民眾最希望的是哪一個犯人被抓到是他不會去騙其他的人錢拿回來是好像我沒有被騙所以兩個都還是希望普遍民眾這個比較希望什麼 |
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錢一定要想辦法取回來錢一定要想辦法拿回來那所以呢我們想請教這個 |
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院長您知道嗎現在詐騙會這麼多很多都是用科技嘛那詐騙的這種情況呢讓我們的民眾大家苦不堪言本席也接觸很多我相信這個各級民意代表都是很多鄉親受騙那我聽過一個案件就是這個詐騙然後去報案的時候 |
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警員第一個跟他被詐騙的家屬就說你千萬不要責備他因為他怕他輕生就是很多民眾他被詐騙他是很痛苦的警員會這樣說我想請教我們有沒有統計數字我們台灣民眾被詐騙這麼多因為這樣輕生的有多少有沒有這個數字 |
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時間暫停一下 學員我建議問哪一個部長直接問因為這麼多部長在 畫面不好看 |
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好 謝謝院長所以 |
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剛剛的數字是不是對 有沒有這個數字沒有統計嘛 對不對沒有特別統計所以我們希望要重視要重視因為很多民眾因為這樣真的苦不堪言親身的很多不然第一線的第一線的員警不會這樣子來這個特別的跟他的家屬講因為有的被詐騙的他可能還有另外要嘛是另一半要嘛有的是年輕人被詐騙父母來嘛所以他們就講你千萬不要責備他 |
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接著本席就想請教院長如果我們要幫助民眾能夠討回受騙金額是否第一步要凍結金流院長認同嗎認同嗎 是為了凍結金流警方收到民眾報案後是不是應該馬上通報銀行設置警示帳戶 |
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我們本來就有警示帳戶本來就有嘛就本席了解現在警察規定30分鐘內通報金融機構這沒有錯嘛那金融機構收到警方通報後警示帳戶設定完成那 |
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卻沒有警示帳戶設定完成那我們設定警示帳戶是在跟詐騙集團搶時間我們民眾報案到銀行完成設定警示帳戶的時間有沒有統計 |
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跟委員報告一下去年我們在管制異常的帳戶有4.2萬戶因為這樣的關係攔阻了金額台幣大概是7.4億元部長我的時間快沒了就是我是在問說我們要求警察30分鐘內設定要通報金融機構但是你有沒有記錄他設定警示帳戶的時間也就是說我通報但是他多久設定 |
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沒有 這點拜託一定要進行而且我們要知道我們要讓院長院長您知道新加坡 英國 澳洲他們從報案到凍結帳戶平均花多少時間 |
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我們是說30分鐘內一定要通報但通報了它不等於凍結我們台灣有沒有要求要多久?請你直接說有沒有 |
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要求多久要所以我們現在銀行一定收到這個他的系統一定會盡快的把這個做一個凍結但是我們很多的詐騙型態等他發現的時候已經經過一段時間了那不是說立刻發現他就立刻凍結他是比如說像我們很多不是不是所以可是今天你發現了那是這個詐騙的帳戶你應該要把它凍結吧對就是我們收到這個警示帳戶銀行會立刻處理的 |
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銀行立刻處理室有沒有限定多久以內國外是24小時因為你們如果沒有統計你就不知道很可能他也很久沒有像我們就知道有的就很久啊所以這一塊可不可以改進我們一定是用最及時的方式我回去了解再跟委員報告好那事後能夠給我們一個回應那我們希望越快越好我也感受到卓院長也希望越快越好那 |
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我們的打炸中心有沒有銀行人員直接進駐目前有沒有 沒有吧我們是用通知的方式但是我們在165的專案裡面有郵政系統的人進駐 |
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只有郵政系統的人因為他要回答所有的很多不同的方案那裡面郵政系統是大概是這次打詐裡面的受害戶最多的好 我們看到新加坡他詐騙返還民眾的金額 |
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從2023年的大概台幣25億多到2024年到44億增加了將近兩倍所以做法很重要所以我們希望台灣能夠也讓就是要去研擬 |
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因為人家都在同一個地方他馬上有金融中心的人在此他直接回就是他在現場跟打炸的在同一個辦公室那他可以直接打回去跟他的這個相關的人我們可以馬上來進行 |
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所以這個部分凍結賬戶之外就是銀行人員直接進駐打詐指揮中心這塊我們也希望可以大家結合在一起這樣子錢才有辦法還回來的越來越多而且能夠及時的來制止 |
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及時的來制止那再來就是我們剛剛看到澳洲的詐騙數越來越減少那有一點我們也希望台灣可以借鏡的就是他的監管偵測到加密詐騙網站到觀戰他最快一小時就可以觀戰那我們的這個台灣有根據詐欺犯罪危害防治條例防止民眾 |
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接觸詐欺網站、目的事業主管機關以及司法警察機關多久時間內可以關站?有沒有規定?速發部跟很多平台業者都有進行相當多的要求但是有沒有規定多久要關站?他們國外就是一小時內就把你關站 |
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我們可能要經過一個合理的時間我不敢說一個小時但它現在不法的廣告下架的數量已經呈現了相當大的一個數字所以我們現在動作必須講真的太慢了因為世界各國他們都知道你這個到現在我們沒有規範沒有規範就沒有行動力所以這個部分可不可以請院長這裡真的領導一下那要請大家能夠這個要當一回事 |
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我們很多就是一直還沒有規範所以整個這個戰力這也是剛剛我謝謝委員說我們打仗事法之後還有很多其他的相關配套執法完成之後我們就可以更有力道去要求這些平台業者來跟我們做配合我這以前是很困難的 |
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本席接著最後針對這個打炸的部分要請教院長您是否認同我們這個相關單位我們的行政單位應該要 |
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研究 特別我們法務部是不是應該要研究如何討回民眾受騙金額以及研擬相關的法案應該要盡速的來完成這個在上一次的打詐的討論會議當中我特別提到要加速簡化這個過程但是事實上是難的因為很多打詐的金額它就已經是到境外了或者怎麼樣本席指的是相關的法案是不是該完備我剛剛是特別有請部長來研究 |
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我是請教院長而已您是否認同要研擬相關法案要盡快的提出具體改善方案當然我們已經在朝這個方向做好 OK那如果是這樣我們希望盡快的朝這個方向希望能夠盡快有一些很具體的一些做法然後大家我們大家一起來努力因為民眾真的太辛苦了好 謝謝那接下來本席要請教院長請教院長 |
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院長您應該知道台灣現在少子化問題很嚴重那孩子少既然都生得少我們是不是要給他最優質的教育 |
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當然嘛那十二年國教也是我們國家我們的政府對青年學子最基本的照顧但是院長是否知道新竹縣的家長以及學子長期的對於這種高中的班級數校舍不足 |
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非常非常的焦慮 院長知道很感謝院長這樣的關心那所以本席也多次的反映也陪同我們的縣長和教育局長為這件事跟中央各部會在溝通包含我本席也去行政院好幾次所以在這個縣政府整個 |
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所提的解決方案非常的明確就是整個的增班跟增校需要三十五億那增班三十三班要需要一千多個招生名額在過去數次的會議中中央相關單位也都同意那當然這個很感謝院長還有我們行政院的秘書長都承諾全力的協助希望以專簽來補助 |
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所以教育應該是不分藍綠我想院長也認同孩子的教育不能等所以本席想要為新竹縣的家長學生向院長來請命能不能 |
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加強加速來協助這個基本的國民的12年的基本教育但是現在班級數還有校舍不足的部分可以來增加經費的補助嗎是的新竹縣市快速遷入很多年輕的夫妻他們這個生產小孩之後現在已經都到了大概要進去高中的時候所以我第一次聽到說新竹縣市的這個高中要增班 |
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我還覺得說為什麼舉報但現在我完全了解而且教育部也有一套他們現在在準備因應的方式 |
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所以本席就很簡單的因為時間的關係請院長是不是可以承諾全力的來協助我們已經在做 下一步已經在做我們具體的方式應該跟委員 沒關係具體的方式可以我們會後了解最重要是委員要告訴那些家長說我們有在做這個事情幾年的時間我們會把它徵效 |
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因為馬上就面臨不足,所以我們現在急著蓋學校,所以這個部分也要請院長這裡全力,還有部長這裡,全力來協助我們現在初步就是立即對現有的這八所的高中,馬上給予這個增班上的協助 |
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那設校呢?徵校徵校這個部分因為昨天用地上的一個另外還有一個當時也大概地方也期待說能夠有這一個類似這一個新竹這個竹科這個時鐘這個部分呢我想也都國科也都在評估這個會後我們了解因為本席今天這個部分最主要是向院長來請命那希望全力的來協助 |
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我們全力來推動這個事情 先增班再想辦法來徵效徵效已經迫不及待了 這個要請中央全力的來協助另外也跟委員報告 不好意思 就到這最後本席也要請教卓院長AI時代已經來臨 我們的政府是否做好準備了 |
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我們現在很重要的是高科技的人你覺得有沒有做好準備還沒有完全準備還沒有喔對 院長您上任的時候提出行動創新AI內閣你應該還記得吧這個AI就是行動創新的意思對 但是你用了AI嘛那當然我們也看到很多這個您也特別指示要發展AI產業所以那您知道要發展AI最重要的條件是什麼 |
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發展AI我們要有相當訓練多的人才有了人才還沒有AI人才之後我們要進到一個有AI的環境裡面所以我們的設備要配合上來AI的設備它最大的條件是什麼它必須要有一些就是包括 |
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更高端的電腦的設備還有這個資料中心電腦跟資料中心但是他完全架構在要有充足的電力這點院長您知道嗎而且他需要的電力不是像我們現在這個google查詢你用AI查詢跟google查詢差幾倍您知道嗎用電量 |
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這個我沒有查十倍然後再來用AI產生一個圖像那跟我們用平常我們這樣這個繪圖軟體產生的圖像它的差異是多它需要就一個AI的圖像它需要的電量耗電量可以說是將近1000支智慧手機的充電 |
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所以本席在這裡剩下最後很少的時間本席要提醒的是我們未來馬上面臨因為AI時代已經來臨了現在大家很多電腦手機都AI然後很多的產業他也在考慮要不要來台灣所以我們的供電政策那會是取決我們能不能進入AI時代很大很大一個問題 |
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所以院長你一定要切記我們沒有電我們就沒有AI台灣就遠遠落後現在世界各國為了AI需要用大量的電AI它最大的特色就是它很耗電所以我們的供電政策有沒有考慮雖然台電經濟部一再反覆的計算我們到2030、2033我們能夠提供出來的新的電力 |
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是足以來應付整個AI的一個成長的但是就算如此我們還是不放棄開發所有新的能源甚至我們對任何能源的新技術我們會積極主動的去學習我也希望我們有新的策略就是先好 謝謝許信義委員的資訊也謝謝卓院長 各部會首長的備詢 |
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國民黨黨團針對第十一屆第三會期第三次會議 |
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議事日程包括事項第69案院會之決定提出覆議請公決案宣讀完畢我們現在做以下決定令定期處理繼續請議事人員宣讀第二案 |
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本院民進黨黨團針對立法院第十一屆第三會期第二次會議包括事項第七案、第二十一案及第三十案院會所作決定提出覆議請公決案宣讀完畢我們先做以下決定本案令定期處理報院會我們本次會議進行到此為止特別謝謝王育民委員今天從早到晚在議場也謝謝林月菁委員、郭育菁委員一併陪伴我們的諮詢非常感謝我們現在散會 |