| IVOD_ID |
164904 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164904 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-30T12:26:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-30T12:40:21+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/480bc0daa4347f009a746b03123ffade55b9b7d9df2795fe7858943a6a9958c9ad4d19330d4f164e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:26:30 - 12:40:21 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：（上午9時起）
邀請衛生福利部部長、農業部、財政部、交通部、經濟部、數位發展部、海洋委員會海巡署就「如何精進海外小型包裹夾帶肉品之查緝與防堵，持續強化阻絕疫情於國門，同時優化國內後續對於非洲豬瘟防疫」提出專題報告，並備質詢。
（下午2時起。若上午議程尚未結束，待結束後接續召開）
一、繼續審查行政院函請審議「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」、委員廖先翔等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法第三十五條條文修正草案」、委員牛煦庭等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四十九條條文修正草案」、委員李昆澤等26人擬具「職業安全衛生法第三十九條及第四十九條條文修正草案」、委員魯明哲等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四十條條文修正草案」、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」、委員林淑芬等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四十三條條文修正草案」、委員楊曜等22人擬具「職業安全衛生法第六條條文修正草案」、委員李昆澤等27人、委員黃秀芳等21人分別擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」、委員翁曉玲等23人擬具「職業安全衛生法第三十五條、第三十九條及第四十九條條文修正草案」、委員范雲等18人、委員劉建國等17人分別擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」、委員吳琪銘等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法第六條條文修正草案」、委員沈發惠等18人、委員王育敏等19人、委員王育敏等25人擬、委員郭國文等17人分別擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」、委員王鴻薇等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四條條文修正草案」、委員郭昱晴等17人、委員羅廷瑋等18人分別擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、審查
（一）委員王正旭等23人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員吳沛憶等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員莊瑞雄等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法第九條條文修草案」案。
（四）委員林月琴等21人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條修正草案」案。
（五）委員林淑芬等21人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（六）委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（七）委員徐富癸等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（八）委員黃捷等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（九）委員蔡易餘等17人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
（十）委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案。
【二、(三)至(七)案，如經復議則不予審查；二、(八)至(十)案，如未經院會交付本會審查或未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書不予審查】
【逐條討論】
【10月29日及10月30日，二天一次會】） |
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謝主席 麻煩請一下畜牧師來 畜牧師檢任濟政市長好市長好喔我是濟政 |
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那個我想這次這個非洲豬瘟的事件那個目前豬隻近載近運的問題一直到11月6號我想這幾天都人心惶惶了我好多這個肉傷的朋友都非常的緊張那當然 |
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消費者也相當的緊張有很多的擔心那擔心這個價格的飆漲或者是之後的崩盤都是大家非常關心的問題那我想要先請教一下就是說 |
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就说目前啊农业部是有不断的强调说猪肉的供给是无虞的那但是我想我们先来谈一下这个冷冻猪肉价格的问题你所了解的目前这段时间的市场波动价格波动的状况是怎么样冷冻猪肉的部分这个部分在这段期间我们有跟冷冻肉品工会做一些调度在 |
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在量的供應跟價格的波動上都算穩定都算穩定但是根據新聞報導目前你所謂的穩定因為目前有一公斤飆漲到200元的狀況他豬肉的本來他是不同部位的價格他本來就會不同 |
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所以我们在同一个部位肉的前后的变动他都在一个1%2%左右所以不是很大的变动这天出来这个新闻算是假讯息吗没有就我们的了解是没有变动冷冻猪肉没有变动价格价格都没有波动对 |
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那所以對所以我們那一則我們出現的那個那一則新聞的報導是他是錯誤的我是巨產試驗所那就這個肉品加工就是現在 |
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口味會不會下是不一定啦但是就肉的這個部位的價格來看的話像我們吃的這個冷凍的這個算是三層肉跟冷凍的這個類似是 |
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嘴邊肉嗎對嘴邊肉那個一公斤要五百多塊所以那個是正常的價格那你現在在冷凍的這個排骨排骨就是這個排骨這個起碼要兩百是正常的你們要強調是每個部位都維持在一個穩定的價格 |
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好那所以你們也沒有針對這個10月27號這篇報導有什麼樣的說明跟解釋 |
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是他們斷章取義本來一公斤120元的漲到200元突破200元所以他們沒有講清楚是哪個部位漲的應該是這樣好那如果他們說的120元破200元那大概這幾天120元的那個部位是指什麼 |
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那是指全豬就是後腿這邊的肉就是專門做貢丸的部分這個肉120到130所以那個部位大部分大概是落在這裡對好所以假如因為針對我不是豬肉專家我是負責吃而已但是呢但是這個部分因為造成很多這個 |
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消費者的擔心所以我覺得有有什麼樣的新聞你們應該也要很關注那有必要說明的時候也應該要也應該要發個新聞稿澄清一下不是嗎報告委員對這個豬肉的價格這個部分事實上我們都有在 |
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所以冷冻的部分目前是没有问题所以我们也不需要再协调协调工会啦或者是我们是每天都有在跟他们保持协调那因为有这则新闻我要麻烦你们也要处理一下嘛好 |
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那再来就是有关于这个进载禁运期间还有之后的问题当然在进载禁运的期间猪肉可能飙涨那我们很多的这个地方首长啦民代啦也都会担心所以所以像我们台东当然也也一样宣布这个进载禁运那当然在进载禁运之后这个因为 |
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我們在這段期間齁其實有個開銷是固定的啦就是這個譬如說飼料啦人工啦他就是豬隻還是會不斷的吃然後他會長大嘛那長大你不屠宰他他就要 |
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他又会继续吃那这饲料也是一个开销所以我觉得这些肉商这些养出的就是说他们杀也赔不杀也赔好所以这个部分当然在这个价钱的控管方面我不晓得就是说你们在这个部分是不是已经有比较明确的处置方式了 |
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是 跟委員報告就是 有沒有到超前部署吧有有 這個部分對於這一些一些補助的措施啦這一些都有在研議啦 那即將會提出來那另外對於再來之後這一段期間禁運禁載期間的租資他日後開市以後他的供應我們也會做一些 |
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調節跟調配那個你們可以大概提一下大概是哪幾個方向哪些哪些方式來協助穩定這個價格 |
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就是說它開始以後因為我們近載經營了15天所以會有大概有將近30萬隻的豬隻那這個部分我們因為如果你同一天上市的話那它的價格就容易產生大的波動所以這個部分我們在調配上面會去做處理讓它不要同時去上市 |
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所以你們只有在做這個租資的這個調配跟控管而已嗎其他的沒有需要再跟其他公會協調或者是政府的一些補貼 |
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成銷人拍賣這個部分都還是很好 那署長委員我特別跟您報告那我們同步都有考慮到對這些的損失受影響的一個補貼所以這個一級生產因為我們畢竟即便是協調這些工會進來協助那大家也是要釋放力多不然誰願意做您剛才關注的包括不管我們是養豬的農民還是我們的批發市場包括肉品市場還有我們的成銷人包括屠宰場 |
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那以及是我們這個EDP次的母豬場那這些的部分都有研擬這個補助跟相關的一個措施那另外也針對廚餘的養豬場用這個飼料的差價 |
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以及有油脂的一個補助這邊都有 都已經嚴臨但現在就等整個院裡面訂案以後就可以適當實際公布就是訂案數字的部分啦你這樣講就比較清楚一點好 謝謝好 那你們都請回座那我們接下來就是請那個衛福部長來 請時部長委員好 |
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5月份本期有在這裡質詢有關於還有安排到這個蘭嶼考察有關於這個蘭嶼醫院興建的部分那當時前部長邱部長已經有允諾10月份會提報這個公建計畫所以我大概目前今天我想大概追一下進度了解一下目前進度狀況如何 |
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好 跟委員報我們規劃未來這個蘭嶼醫院跟蘭嶼衛生所因為它很鄰近我們會把它整併起來一起來運作讓這個人力資源 醫療資源可以集中運用那目前已經提報了一個計畫到行政院10月28號已經送了那規劃是地上三層的建物那未來會提供住院的床宿還有這個包含這個透析床還有復健 |
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还有这个内外科的服务这样所以目前那个总经费多少公企大概需要几年差不多是6亿7千万只有6亿7千万吗这做建物以后每年的营运都还可能需要补贴因为那天到蓝宇的时候我印象中我有看到大概一个14亿的数字 |
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那個可能是本來是這樣做要把那個蘭嶼衛生所先移植然後整個打掉之後然後再蓋所以是包含衛生所的那個費用對那個還要移植那我們現在是規劃這樣會很久所以我們把它分一期二期工程來蓋所以先在衛生所旁邊的空地先蓋起來 |
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就不要等那個衛生所移植之後再打這樣時間會拖太長所以我們現在新鮮計畫到底是已經送到哪裡了 |
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在行政院我們28號送出OK已經到行政院了好那這個部分我想其實我們這個消息出來也受到就是說在地有一些部分蘭嶼鄉民的質疑因為可能 |
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過去他們會有一些被欺騙不好的經驗所以認為說我們是不是又在畫大餅那我想這個部分當然他們也有比較具體的提出說當然蓋醫院我們都了解不是難事雖然在蘭嶼確實是比較困難一點整個成本都很高還有發包的問題但接下來後續的這些醫護人員的進駐我想也期待說可以同步 |
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讓大家了解我們預先的規劃的做法是什麼部長可不可以用一點點時間稍微講一下因為我們現在規劃大概期程上會在差不多120年或121年左右會開幕營運 |
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那這段期間我們也會有人力的這個規劃包含公費生會陸陸續續會出來那我們就有公費生可以去協助另外也會結合當地的其他醫療資源所以有鎖定哪幾家醫院馬街體系來做後送的資源等等那搭配健保的IDS計畫也會有 |
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跟当地的卫生所就是有公费生那加上我们也会分配给这个蓝宇医院这样好所以我们就是说要告诉大家的是说除了医院硬体的这个新建之外同时在我们推动这个蓝宇医院新建的同时呢其实卫福部也早就同步规划了整个 |
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希望爭取這一家醫院的有別於其他的醫院不是以自負盈虧的方式來進行那麼是以公醫的使命來興建這一家醫院那麼人力上都是以公職人員就是正職的人員來編列這個員額這樣 |
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好謝謝部長我想這個是一個很重要的概念那我也謝謝部長跟衛福部全體同仁對於我們這個離島的這個醫療的關心跟投注好感謝你們謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝 |