| IVOD_ID |
164897 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164897 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-30T11:39:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-30T11:46:51+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/480bc0daa4347f006608872388a946fdd0f4389371b7337b7858943a6a9958c97fcbc83bc95981385ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳雪生 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:39:23 - 11:46:51 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長及交通部觀光署署長就「900萬國際旅客達標情形及旅宿業歇業缺工情形振興改善措施」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請交通部部長及交通部觀光署署長就「配合賴清德總統所提『國家希望工程』與『觀光立國2030年觀光兆元產業』等目標如何務實達成」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【10月27日、29日及30日三天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝趙偉 是不是恭請我們林次長林次長請次長 早好久不見 本來不想找你上來好久沒見了 謝謝委員前幾天總諮詢 前天我提到那個北竿機場施工的方式 辦辦公的方式 |
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因為施工時間實在太長了痛苦期很高我左思右想五月夢回我想起來台中清泉崗那邊是辦辦公小港那邊也有用辦辦公的方式來做檢討鄉親的痛苦期民航局是您督導的我有跟你們委辦單位是台灣港務公司 |
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港公署有跟他們講過了拜託你跟何局長講一下報告委員您知道他做的是跑道的延長跑道延長 海面的工程我們飛機在跑道起落的時候那個地方不能有障礙物所以這一塊我們盡量來跟公法調整看看看有沒有空間你們盡量做嘛因為那邊如果有任何 |
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因為它延長了50公尺 等於是填土嘛填土為提供層等於的不止50 應該是500500 對不起啦那我覺得它的沉箱跟消波塊可以盡量在因為我們這次也非常感謝港務公司願意來協助港務公司願意來好不好 我們朝這個方向走好不好那你請回好不好 謝謝因為時間我要找陳處長 |
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稍微請陳署長陳署長請陳署長聽說你身體微漾是 但是我還是很想見到大家報病 報病成功所以為了不加重你的病情所以今天我講話要小聲一點很像是這樣馬祖區域的觀光圈聽說你們觀光署最近有成立18個觀光圈 |
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中間包含 其中包含了北中南台東還有雞馬棚三個離島對 本來是18個後來變成7個就是北中南東加三個離島能不能說明一下還是請我們旁邊的林組長 |
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那個連組長來 好不好 不讓你講太多話了好不好 跟委員報告因為我們原先推動了18個觀光圈是歷經了5年的的努力那後來署長認為說18個觀光圈對行銷來講會有自愛所以我們分為4個北中南東4個觀光圈再加上3個離島分別7個觀光圈是為了推向國際然後國民旅遊的 |
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行銷比較方便那分別四個區域跟三個離島除了金門以外由我們國民旅遊組親自操刀其餘都是由我們的主責管理處13個管理處上線林主長你也藏病毒嗎 沒有吧我看你戴口罩對 我怕被雙傳染你怕被雙傳染是喔 怕被傳染喔會那再找一個人上來傳染一下 |
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去年 馬祖很慘馬祖那個旅宿 叫苦連天疫情過後 去年觀光客我們很像不如預期主要當然這裡面還有一些缺工的問題因為旅宿裡面洗床單 備單所以這一方面如果有的話請你們跟勞動部講一下能夠開放對這些外籍勞工多開放來協助我們離島發展 |
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另外就是高登島高登島當然是國防部的權責單位我是覺得金門大膽二膽都已經開放了 |
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請觀光署能不能行文給國防部因為我覺得你們去講話比較有力量上面大概兵力不多二三十個人二三十個人守那個島有什麼意義呢讓觀光客也上去嘛 上島嘛現在專案是可以啦尤其這些老兵啊什麼的特許那是可以上島那我去了很多次因為那個資源裡面上面高登島上面的資源蠻豐富的 |
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蠻豐富的 是不是署長能不能頒個馬上行文給國防部好不好 |
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好 那我們因為過去已經兩度行為那拜訪軍方協調一直都沒有成果那我們會持續來協調國防部開放那也會拜託交通部是不是有協請交通部我看你們努力的程度你公文不停的去我會努力的我想他們應該會協助馬祖畢竟已經開放光光了是不是他那個倒拿的對上面的兵來講的話 |
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非常寂寞 二十幾個人是不是 日子一久了同性戀都有可能二十幾個而已另外就是燈會今年台灣要辦燈會嗎今年燈會在桃園每年都有嘛 對在哪裡今年是在桃園 明年是在嘉義在嘉義我是說台灣有大燈會我們金門馬祖澎湖應該有小燈會 |
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你們會補助我們錢嗎 尤其過年我記得 元宵啊 有有有會嗎 已經送進來已經也審那個你們有打回縣政府去了嘛縣長有找我有請他修正一下說這個錢一定要有 |
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會有嗎 有 已經OK了OK了沒有 合定了不過沒關係你不OK的話正好再審預算審預算要有就有沒有的話大家一起沒有我們很願意 連嘉義也不用了跟委員報告我們很願意協助地方政府找到地方的節慶活動那當時他們第一次提的版本就比較不符合我們的補助要點所以希望他們再修正一下大概是這個樣子 署長這樣 |
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我拜託你們的事你們沒答應我就不要答應我答應我了就要去做我再跟你重複一遍好不好你們如果答應我了你要去做你就要去做你如果不去做我就會很生氣我生氣不是只生氣一兩個鐘頭我會生氣很久很久好不好我看到你生氣很久沒有看到我生氣很久好不好我覺得大家講話都要算話哪一件事我也不講了好不好我覺得大家講好的事情 |
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國檢次長你在那邊笑什麼本席在質詢你可以笑好啦沒事啦齁他是我兄弟沒事齁那謝謝署長 謝謝趙偉我沒有耽誤你時間嘛齁我時間到趕快下台非常好 時間關掉非常好 |
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陳委員雪生：（11時39分）謝謝召委，恭請我們林次長。 |
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主席：林次長請。 |
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陳委員雪生：次長早。 |
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林次長國顯：委員早。 |
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陳委員雪生：好久不見，本來不想找你上來，但好久沒見了。 |
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林次長國顯：謝謝委員。 |
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陳委員雪生：前幾天總質詢，我提到北竿機場施工的方式應該研議半半工的方式，因為施工時間實在太長了，痛苦級數很高，我左思右想、午夜夢迴我想起來，臺中清泉崗也是半半工，小港那邊也有，用半半工的方式來做，減少鄉親的痛苦期。民航局是您督導的？ |
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林次長國顯：是。 |
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陳委員雪生：你們的委辦單位是臺灣港務公司，我跟港務公司講過了，在這裡就拜託次長跟何局長講一下。 |
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林次長國顯：報告委員，您知道做的是跑道的延長…… |
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陳委員雪生：對，沒錯，跑道延長。 |
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林次長國顯：所以是海面的工程。但飛機在跑道起落的時候，不能有障礙物，所以這一塊我們儘量用工法來調整看看有沒有空間。 |
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陳委員雪生：你們儘量做，好不好？ |
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林次長國顯：因為那邊如果有任何機具的話，跑道是不能用的！ |
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陳委員雪生：因為延長了五十公尺，這等於是填土嘛！ |
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林次長國顯：不只五十。 |
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陳委員雪生：填土危及工程…… |
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林次長國顯：不只五十，應該是五百。 |
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陳委員雪生：是五百，對不起，五百啦。我覺得沈箱跟消波塊可以儘量…… |
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林次長國顯：這次我們非常感謝港務公司願意來協助…… |
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陳委員雪生：港務公司也有來？我們朝這個方向走，好不好？ |
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林次長國顯：是。 |
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陳委員雪生：次長請回，謝謝。因為時間關係，我要請教陳署長，召委請陳署長。 |
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主席：陳署長，請。 |
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陳委員雪生：陳署長，聽說你身體微恙？ |
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陳署長玉秀：是，但我還是很想見到大家。 |
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陳委員雪生：今天抱病從公，為了不加重你的病情，所以今天我講話要小聲一點。有關馬祖區的觀光圈，聽說觀光署最近成立了十八個觀光圈，是不是？其中包含了北、中、南、臺東，還有金、馬、澎三個離島？ |
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陳署長玉秀：對，本來是十八個，後來變成七個，就是北、中、南、東加三個離島。 |
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陳委員雪生：七個？能不能說明一下？還是請林組長說明？ |
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陳署長玉秀：好，林組長來。 |
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陳委員雪生：不讓署長講太多話。 |
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林組長秀霞：跟委員報告，我們原先推動了十八個觀光圈，是歷經了五年的努力，但後來署長認為十八個觀光圈對行銷來講會有窒礙，所以我們分為北、中、南、東四個觀光圈，再加上三個離島，成為七個觀光圈，這是為了推向國際，希望讓國民旅遊的行銷比較方便。這四個區域與三個離島，除了金門以外，由我們國民旅遊組親自操刀，其餘都是由十三個主責管理處上線。 |
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陳委員雪生：林組長，你也感染腸病毒嗎？沒有吧？我看你戴口罩？ |
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林組長秀霞：我怕被署長傳染。 |
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陳委員雪生：怕被傳染？那就再找一個人上來傳染一下。去年馬祖很慘，馬祖旅宿叫苦連天，疫情過後，去年的觀光客不如預期，主要是這裡面有缺工的問題，因為旅宿洗床單、被單都要人力，所以這一方面如果有的話，請你們跟勞動部講一下，開放一些外籍勞工來協助我們的離島發展。 |
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另外就是高登島。高登島當然是國防部的權責單位，但是我覺得金門的大膽、二膽都已經開放了，觀光署能不能行文給國防部？我覺得你們去講話會比較有力量。現在島上兵力不多，大概二、三十個人。二、三十個人守那個島有什麼意義？所以讓觀光客也上島嘛！現在可以專案申請，尤其針對老兵什麼的，可以特許上島。我去了很多次，因為高登島上的資源滿豐富的，所以署長能不能幫個忙，行文給國防部，好不好？ |
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陳署長玉秀：好。其實我們過去曾經兩度行文，也拜訪軍方協調，但一直都沒有成果。我們會持續來協調國防部開放，也會拜託交通部，是不是協請交通部…… |
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陳委員雪生：看你們努力的程度啊！你可以公文不停的去！ |
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陳署長玉秀：我會努力的。 |
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陳委員雪生：我想他們應該會協助，馬祖畢竟已經開放觀光了，是不是？那個島對上面的兵來講的話非常寂寞，二十幾個人，日子一久了，同性戀都有可能啦！二十幾個人而已。 |
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另外就是燈會，今年臺灣要辦燈會嗎？ |
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陳署長玉秀：今年燈會在桃園。 |
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陳委員雪生：每年都有嘛！ |
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陳署長玉秀：對。 |
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陳委員雪生：在哪裡？ |
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陳署長玉秀：今年是在桃園，明年是在嘉義。 |
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陳委員雪生：喔，在嘉義。我是說臺灣有大燈會，那我們金門、馬祖、澎湖應該要有小燈會嘛，你們會補助我們錢嗎？尤其過年的時候。 |
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陳署長玉秀：我記得…… |
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陳委員雪生：元宵啊！ |
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陳署長玉秀：有、有、有。 |
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陳委員雪生：會嗎？ |
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陳署長玉秀：已經送件了，也已經審議通過。 |
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陳委員雪生：你們把文打回縣政府去了嘛，縣長有找我…… |
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陳署長玉秀：有請他修正一下。 |
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陳委員雪生：縣長有找我說這個錢一定要有，會有嗎？ |
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陳署長玉秀：有、已經OK了。 |
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陳委員雪生：OK了沒有？ |
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陳署長玉秀：核定了。 |
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陳委員雪生：不過沒關係，你不OK的話，正好在審預算嘛，審預算要有就有，沒有的話大家一起沒有嘛，連嘉義也不用了啦！ |
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陳署長玉秀：跟委員報告，我們很願意協助地方政府找到地方的節慶活動，當時他們第一次提的版本比較不符合我們的補助要點，所以希望他們再修正一下，大概是這個樣子。 |
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陳委員雪生：署長，這樣啦，我拜託你們的事，你們沒法答應我的就不要答應我，但是答應我的就要去做，我再跟你重複一遍，好不好？你們如果答應我的就要去做…… |
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陳署長玉秀：我收到了。 |
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陳委員雪生：你如果不去做，我就會很生氣，我生氣不是只生氣一、兩個鐘頭，我會生氣很久很久，好不好？ |
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陳署長玉秀：我看到了，我看到你生氣很久。 |
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陳委員雪生：你有看到我生氣很久了喔？ |
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陳署長玉秀：對。 |
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陳委員雪生：好不好？我覺得大家講話都要算話啦，哪一件事我也不講了，我覺得大家講好的事情……國顯次長，你在那邊笑什麼？本席在質詢，你可以笑嗎？好啦！沒事了！他是我兄弟，沒事。 |
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謝謝署長，謝謝召委，我沒有耽誤你時間嘛！我時間到趕快下臺。 |
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主席：非常好，時間管理非常好。 |
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陳委員雪生：謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝陳雪生委員，謝謝署長。 |
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接下來請邱若華委員質詢。 |
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198 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-4-23-4 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
林國成 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
蔡其昌 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
李昆澤 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
何欣純 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
魯明哲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
林俊憲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
徐富癸 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
陳素月 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
許智傑 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
黃健豪 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
陳雪生 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
邱若華 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
賴惠員 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
陳俊宇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
陳冠廷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
翁曉玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
麥玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
黃珊珊 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[21] |
邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[22] |
游顥 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[23] |
牛煦庭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[24] |
葉元之 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[25] |
林德福 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[26] |
徐巧芯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[27] |
廖先翔 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
133 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2025-10-30 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1149001 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1149001_00004 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
一、邀請交通部部長及交通部觀光署署長就「900萬國際旅客達標情形及旅宿業歇業缺工情形振
興改善措施」進行專題報告，並備質詢；二、邀請交通部部長及交通部觀光署署長就「配合賴清
德總統所提『國家希望工程』與『觀光立國2030年觀光兆元產業』等目標如何務實達成」進行專
題報告，並備質詢 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1149001_00003 |