| IVOD_ID |
164860 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164860 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-30T10:10:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-30T10:21:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/480bc0daa4347f000b34014309cfdc2bf253141cf72ece13935765bd47f5465181c04d3e6e31e3a45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王定宇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:10:20 - 10:21:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請外交部、經濟部、大陸委員會報告「我國參與2025年度『亞太經濟合作（APEC）經濟領袖會議』的任務及目標」，並備質詢。
二、邀請國家安全局、外交部、大陸委員會、法務部、法務部調查局報告「中共對台進行長臂管轄、跨境鎮壓及我國相關應處」，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席首先請陸委會副主委本席要請教一個有關我們台灣自己執法的問題中國的他用政治 |
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去處理法律他用違反國際的不管是公約或者法律的架構去遂行他的政治意志我們待會再討論但我們在我們境內發生的事情我們國家有權處理的國人都關心我們處理的進度在四月份五月份有一位在華碩工會 |
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擔任職務的人叫做錢立他是中國籍配偶他不僅在公司用中華人民共和國的法律一條一條去檢視這家公司的執行長同仁 長官 基層幹部而且還把他們一個一個向中國舉報 |
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另外他也檢舉一般人說你違反中華人民共和國什麼法什麼法什麼法等到有一天同意之後通通要把你抓起來然後呢他還成立了一個解放軍的粉專鼓吹武統武統什麼意思啊武統就是用軍事力量屠殺我國的軍民百姓 |
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那這一個四月份五月份媒體大量報導之後我個人本席還有我知道媒體也有都向你們進行了檢舉那現在很多國人關心說那這個事情到最後雅雅的情形我們知道了她現在在中國那邊悔不當初啊中國的公安才不理你半夜去敲門踹她所以台灣跟中國哪邊民主哪邊法治哪邊自由哪邊人權去問雅雅就知道了她現在想盡辦法要回來啊那這一個前例 |
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到底陸委會這邊是沒有處理還是已經處理沒有揭露但我可以接受在不影響無辜第三方的情形下請你適度的讓國人知道這個案子目前的進度是 非常謝謝委員的指教那首先關於前例這案確實我們有跟相關的部會進行多次的討論然後希望能夠在適當的處理了沒有處理了先跟委員報告在什麼時候處理的什麼時候 |
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我們在8月25號的時候那現在處理的這個情況我們在8月25號已經請移民署廢止了這個前女友她的這個台灣身份跟戶籍然後回到拘留的狀態目前的情況是這樣所以這一位前姓女子前例用中華人民共和國的法律在我們國家的境內恐嚇中華民國的公民 |
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恐嚇上班公司的老闆說 你這個言行 你看某某電視台他用他看哪一家電視台 說他要懲治台獨欸用思想檢查 他還在電梯裡面張貼中國法院對 他還在電梯貼 這幾家電視台不能看這幾家報紙你看了齁 那幾家報紙電視台現在都坐在那邊啊所以看了他們齁 就要檢舉欸要照中華人民共和國法院 通通抓起來啊 通通要關啊有的還要槍斃欸 |
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他還寫了一千個字的文章貼在那邊啊這你都知道嘛所以今天你們第一次公開揭露這位錢吏在8月25號被剝奪中華民國公民身份是是是然後我們也在8月28號的時候已經辦妥了他的廢紙登記他的戶籍的這個部分也已經辦妥了你們應該叫中國他們通過的他們叫情報法還是什麼法 |
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法律裡面明定中華人民共和國的公民有協助中國政權也就是中共進行相關勤工作業法律規定喔你作為一個中華人民共和國的公民如果你不配合中共政府進行情報工作的話是違反他們法律是要抓去關的 |
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也就是這樣子 所以我們在台灣我們不管擔任公職 我們參與選舉我們才會要求你不能有雙重國籍美國籍不行 日本籍不行對台灣充滿敵意的中國籍當然也不行而潛力這個就最典型所以你這個潛力被剝奪了國籍這是我們國家用正確的使用法律剝奪中華民國國籍的第幾個應該是首例 |
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其實是已經有好幾位了有好幾位了嘛我覺得為什麼要揭露你知道嗎不教而殺為之虐我們要讓他們知道在台灣移民進來我們都歡迎都是我們台灣的一份子我們對於任何國家越南的新住民印尼的新住民歐美各國包含中國進來的就是我們同胞但是如果有哪些法律 |
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踩到了你來這個國家不是為了愛這個國家是為了消滅這個國家我們就可以剝奪你的國籍潛力就是一個好的例子所以8月25號潛力依照中華民國法律已經剝奪他中華民國國籍OK好那這個我覺得應該讓國人知道你們是有做有處理而且若按照5月份檢舉到825其實不能算慢因為你們還要看證據還要調查還要給對方我們台灣總不像中國中國你拿張白紙就可以消失三個月 |
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對不對 揭露那個武漢肺炎那個醫生死不瞑目 台灣不是我們還要給你答辯的機會 根據證據我們用我們的文明的方式執法也足以證明台灣跟中國是不一樣的國度 不一樣的體制好 那你先請回 接下來我要請教國安局你邊走邊聽啦我昨天有問局長 有關宮古航庫KYC這個命題 昨天蔡局長一直告訴我這是個案 這是個案 我昨天幫你們查出來了啦 |
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台印人壽回報粉飾太平不是個案不是個案 |
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我這邊有當事人簽名的證詞也就是說我中國他用政治的理由你今天如果是真的詐欺啦搶奪啦竊盜那個我沒話講 刑事犯罪用政治的理由不符合中共的思想檢查就給你 包含我們的國軍 國軍做了什麼事啊國軍保護我們2300萬的居民同胞他就給你通緝 |
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資通電軍我們的那個軍情局我們的政戰局的同仁我們這些國軍他就通緝他然後這些同仁去銀行辦理相關業務的時候被KYC也就是Know Your Customer的資料庫跳出警示帳戶那這一個事情其實我們接續我昨天的詢問就是說這不是個案是我們外購的資料庫染紅了他也不是個案 |
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是基層台銀人壽回報的粉飾太平金管會昨天我了解起來他們回溯回去 要求台銀人壽台銀人壽是承辦我們軍保的航庫耶我們軍人的保險都在那邊耶你拿中華人民共和國通緝我們國軍的東西來進行刁難所以 |
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我這邊有列出來 你自己仔細看各行庫所使用的外購的KYC資料庫WordCheck Dojons LNRS Files還有Patches Officer這個都是我們各行庫 有的會買兩個 有的會買一個然後臨櫃的時候 臨櫃人員說你要辦貸款 你要更改名字 |
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稍後一下請你提供身份證號碼姓名他就會輸入他就會請二線人員不是靈櫃靈櫃叫一線會請二線人員呢他就會進去查查的時候會有四類一個叫國內外制裁名單第二個是金融機關列管名單第三個現任或前任政治人物其實我這覺得有點但政治人物竟然放在這裡面我們以後去貸款都有點困難好再來第四個涉及負面新聞等等 |
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結果中國的 因為台銀 像台銀買的那wall check裡面是把新華網啦 中國相關的資料庫公安公佈的什麼通緝資料wall check裡面有涵蓋所以他一勾擊 一查 就跑出來就產生他們在金融機構面對的困難我覺得到目前為止 我不願意苛責金融機構還是那句話 不教而殺為之虐他就買了國外的資料庫啊 |
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就一查的時候跑出來紅色的他就告訴你你貸款可能有困難啊就間接了變成我們國家的金融行庫在執行中共的紅色的不合理的政治的干預那我們國安局下一步要怎麼做他們現在個別銀行用白單就把它處理掉我覺得這不對應該回到制度處理你們有什麼進度 |
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跟委員報告那個我航庫採用的KYC資料庫應該直接排除中方惡意制裁的名單那國安部的部分 國安部 |
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個案部分國安部已經在處理那我相信委員你之前也有召開過協調會那或許如果有需要的話本局會協助因為我聽起來你沒有掌握到狀況我告訴你下禮拜金管會會邀請國內所有的金融行庫包含外商以及受險公司進行協調因為這件事情絕對不容許發生怎麼可以讓我們的金融行庫 |
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用中共的資料去檢視我們國軍這不對所以下週金管會會邀請所有的金融行庫受險公司包含外商在台的來就這個KYC的資料庫建立一個 |
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處理的機制那我請國安局多用點心了解一下給他們建議可以學那個道瓊啊道瓊他可以勾姬可以勾姬排除中國資料庫但是因為在中國確實還有一些詐騙啊洗錢那個我覺得納入無可厚非就是一般的刑事犯罪所以怎麼樣去用機制去確保這一個KYC不是執行中共的政治紅色統治常被管轄而是執行合理的KYC |
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637.332 |
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我想這個國安局或法務部應該用點心思這樣好不好好 跟委員最後再報告一下確實銀行局在下午有邀請銀行工會跟業者來召開他們要求向第一線審查的人員要加強宣導那使用KCY這套庫的時候不可加中方惡意制裁的名單納入 |
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639.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
650.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
查核項目我們有掌握好我等著看下禮拜下禮拜他們建立的機制是什麼我希望是用機制而不是用個個案個案的白單這個我們台灣那麼進步了不要用這樣來處理好不好好謝謝副局長謝謝 |