| IVOD_ID |
164773 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164773 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-29T10:26:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-29T10:39:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3d43f2f62388da51f00cd14d4d0f5998b08d4a2736e01e2ba3c61875d63c7135e9d0f8920134b93d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:26:10 - 10:39:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查：
行政院函請審議、本院委員王美惠等20人、委員李坤城等18人、委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人、委員賴瑞隆等16人、委員羅美玲等19人、委員賴惠員等21人、委員黃捷等22人、委員陳亭妃等17人、委員邱鎮軍等21人及委員吳沛憶等16人分別擬具「電業法第七十一條之一條文修正草案」。
二、審查：
行政院函請審議、本院委員王美惠等20人、委員李坤城等18人、委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人、委員賴瑞隆等16人、委員羅美玲等19人、委員賴惠員等21人、委員黃捷等22人、委員陳亭妃等17人、委員邱鎮軍等24人及委員吳沛憶等16人分別擬具「天然氣事業法第五十五條之一條文修正草案」條文對照表。
三、審查：
行政院函請審議、本院委員王美惠等19人、委員李坤城等18人、委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人、委員羅美玲等19人、委員賴惠員等21人、委員黃捷等22人、委員陳亭妃等17人、委員吳沛憶等16人分別擬具「自來水法第九十七條之一條文修正草案」及委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「自來水法第三條、第十六條之一及第九十七條之一條文修正草案」條文對照表。
以上全案於10月29日（星期三）進行合併詢答，10月30日（星期四）處理。
【10月29日及30日二天一次會】（請參閱開會通知單及議程）） |
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謝謝主席 有請龔部長跟水利署署長我們請龔部長跟水利署署長 謝謝部長 請問大概之前我提到過在北高雄的選區還有五條沒有規劃的試管區牌 |
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這部分我希望能夠盡快啟動治理計劃大概在陸竹有兩三條永安還有橋頭這部分是水利應該是水利署要去協助地方水利局這個署長麻煩你了解一下好不好好就是這個都是我的選區這些都很重要那如果水利局沒有水利署的協助跟跟指導的話很難去進行 |
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所以這部分是不是請蘇萊爹來倒傻缸蘇頂 好啦我們在下一期計劃馬上補助電競技作規劃的工作然後就按照委員的意見趕快來納入下一個階段辦理我回去我會跟水利市政部水利局講沒問題 我會跟他一起合作是 謝謝部長全力支持 部長第二個議題想請教就是能源轉型的韌性 |
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當然這個部分我們幾個能源轉型必須要克服的重大議題第一個能源結構太集中化大概天然氣天然氣的儲量又不夠就天數也不足 |
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那第二個就電網防禦力不足防禦力不足是不夠全面這主要是以氣候跟設備事故為主那如果暫時的時候有駭客入侵等等往暫時的攻擊能源封鎖等等這個也應該納入電網防禦力的提升那另外轉型的能源轉型的戰略空隙啊 |
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所以我從反核到反核反對的反到反回的反所以你如果要到反回核電那可以最能夠接受或者比較有共識的是用SMR但是SMR你要成熟商轉大概10年以上跑不掉所以在這種情況你那個綠電但是能源也上不來的話你這個戰略空區去怎麼處理所以第二個問題請教一下部長 |
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這個台電在五千多億的這個韌性計畫裡面有沒有包括在暫時的戰略防護總經理不過因為那個五千多億主要是大型的超高壓電網的分散是所以這部分並沒有包括防害啊或者暫時的攻擊等等這主要是說這個供電的穩定嘛 |
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跟委員報告我們五六四五億是用於輸電級的韌性的強化就是輸電的穩定包括極端氣候的影響等等但並沒有包括在暫時的這些因應是 我們配電級還有另外一個 |
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計畫在進行 如果沒有的話我是建議針對這個防禦力的部分要增加到這個如果暫時的時候怎麼樣確保這個供電的穩定跟強化電網的防禦力這部分可能要有一個另外的計畫啦是 而不是在這五六十五億裡面特別針對暫時的時候這不曉得這個部長您的意見怎麼樣 |
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對 那個剛剛提到的這個5000多億主要是因為上一次我們那個超高壓電的那個太過集中在一個地方所以我們把它比較多元就是說極端氣候造成供電的不穩定嘛那這個部分是針對這個部分來做強化那我剛剛所提到就是說如果暫時的時候 |
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但暫時發生的時候 它成為供給的目標的時候我們怎麼樣去讓它的韌性更強化所以你們可能另外再提一個計畫那個王總 |
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這個部分有在準備啦有在準備這個可能某些部分是不宜再太公開有在準備啦有在準備我就比較安心了那另外你們對SMR相關的研究可能也要一定的期升表SMR可能是未來可能的一個核能發電的一個一個措施跟作為這部分可能要有一個明確的時升表那我們對SMR的立場是怎麼樣可能也要了解一下 |
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因为现在研究方的话是核管所他们有投入大概4年大概是几亿的经费8亿的经费还是多少正在做研理那对经济部来讲的话将来如果 |
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SMR的話我們是使用方啦是應用方啦所以我們密切的觀察研發方跟我們無關我是用其他的技術我們現在密切觀察因為全世界有雖然叫SMR但就有不同的冷卻技術正在都在推動當中我們是在應用階段我們是觀察說哪些它結果在推動以後商轉結果對我們來講是最合適的那我們就可以應用那一個我們是應用面 |
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另外這個關鍵的礦產這變成說大家不管是美日雙方或者是美中雙方在角力的一個重要的戰略物資這部分歐洲已經有關鍵原物料法 |
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那李蘇雅也在 還有台電王佐也在我們有沒有建立相關的關鍵礦物的保健供應的措施啊或者關鍵礦物的保障回收相關的這個作為 |
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現在經濟部有沒有相關規劃我們現在有一個計畫打算從明年就開始推動分成兩個部分一個當然是跟國際間整個因為我們是屬於需求方供應鏈裡面的需求方雖然是間接需求需求方就要確保我們一定供應嘛對第一個是配合國際間他們整體的因應的做法這是第一個第二個我們本身的部分我們本身的部分來講的話 |
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有兩個一個是透過既有的這些回收再提煉再精煉另外一個我們事實上也跟有一些稀土的生產供應者怎麼樣讓我們台灣這個能不能提升到國與國的合作國與國的你現在是跟個別廠商嘛能不能提升到國與國比如主要的這些供應國 |
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國與國的話就剛剛提到的就是國際供應鏈他們會有一致性的一個做法包括歐盟也好 美國也好 日本也好中國依靠他的稀土或者重要的礦產跟美國談判的一個重要的武器 對不對所以我們必須要確保我們供應沒有問題所以必須要國與國做一些協商或者協議我們有沒有針對供應國或者來源國有一些國際協議 |
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有一些我不方便讲是哪一国家但是有跟我们在做一些讨论必须确保它的供应没有问题这不仅是国家安全这也是产业的问题另外这个临安风电临安风电如果国产当初是国产化那国产化如果松绑之后那中国的一些经验包括钢铁包括石化等等面板这个都是用低价 |
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去去搶他市場那如果國產化上榜之後會不會用這個中國用紅色的這個供應鏈用低價滲透讓我們國產化受到這個相關的影響因為我們禁止用中國的相關的零數如果他是洗產地之類的你們擦擦出來嗎 |
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我們會查所以不能說讓中國的這些低價的變成說我們離岸風電的主要的來源或者是主要供應商再不行另外2025風電的目標現在有沒有在調整風電的裝置能量 |
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5.7吧是不是還是多少5.3是到什麼時候到5.35.3是什麼時候的目標2025在2026年的11月會達到 |
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現在大概將近是3點多GigaWatt3而已 馬上出頭但是我們大概今年年底陸續還會有新的電廠完工那你覺得在2026 現在馬上2026了你可以到5.3嗎是你可以如期達標可以 我們現在的計畫看起來推進到目前為止大概都順利那是很順利嗎是 |
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對 就是說我們現在呢大概要完工的大概是我們Face 1 Face 2服事的風電呢服事的部分呢服動式的是不是那個是正在朝你跟郭方方向也會往前不過那個是比較稍微沒有包括在5.3裡面嗎沒有包括在這裡面5.3你們這個署長你說是很順利在推動所以明年底可以達標明年的11月是可以達標我們現在要完工式 |
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所以我觉得有任何障碍法律上的问题政治上的问题一定要让业者开发商很清楚了解我觉得他们这个跌跌撞撞一路走来好像碰到很多的问题一开始确实蛮多问题的到逾越问题补偿问题还有供应链的问题不过现在推动已经陆陆续续完成目前我们在商转的大概就有440座离岸风电风机了 |
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另外嘉青站目前全國只有兩座一個在台南一個在高雄那未來對嘉青站我們未來推動的目標是怎麼樣這個主委你當主委的時候你推動的 |
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現在是示範性示範性然後呢中期目標呢因為你說2050我們有10%的發電要靠氫能那現在目前這個進度就根本就停滯不前只有兩座那個嘉青站目前終於有已經蓋好那我們是跟交通部合作 |
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它是所謂的低碳運輸低碳載具部分那我們會配合交通部交通部會配合提供氫能公車那我們會依照交通部的規劃哪裡它有氫能公車的路線那我們中油公司就去搭配設這個氫能加氫站 |
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你一定要明确的这政策指引因为这个成本很高技术也没有非常成熟你这还在示范还在示范需求也不是那么稳定是业者要不要去有信心去投入他没有信心他不会投入目前我们是要补贴交通部因为这个计划是交通部的无碳载具里面的交通部补贴公车我们会补助清冷 |
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戰略不清楚半途而廢或者是沒有辦法順利推動新達海就是這樣子新達海最後你看五六十一賠掉了國產化也沒有達成技術也沒有上來到最後他還是一樣要終止如果我們怕這個你說2050有10%這個是部長您當主委的時候你提出的這個願景目標那現在你還在示範 |
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對 現在是在示範對 你要有明確的戰略目標政策要怎麼去導引短中長期我覺得你只兩個示範那個示範那個高雄那個台南做完就沒有下一步了 |
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因为氢能的部分它有分成几个部分一个是怎么样产氢然后氢怎么运输然后第三个是运用那应用的话刚刚提到的车用的部分是一部分那它也可以用来可能会用来发电那个就是您刚刚提到的可能将来可能接近10%可以用我们国家的氢能政策在哪里对 |
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但是現在我們缺的問題就是產清跟運送清這個是一個比較大的問題國際間現在一直在討論這個部分日本是比較早開始但是運輸的部分他們也遭遇到一些成本上的一些問題不過我們還是會持續的看看日本的經驗我們可以學習但是他們比我們大概早了15、20年是謝謝謝謝邱志偉委員持續 |