| IVOD_ID |
16477 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16477 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2025011645 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-16T10:30:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-16T12:30:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
01:59:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/cbbd4ed0b5fcd3a0d3145752a37048caad17fd7b208e66fa18d20170ff19eea6d55702742d91e6fa5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-16T11:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院黨團協商（事由：一、繼續研商「114年度中央政府總預算案」（公務預算部分）。二、研商「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案」、「113年度中央政府總預算追加預算案」相關事宜。（民進黨黨團提議）三、研商「野生動物保育法部分條文修正草案」等案。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:30:02 - 12:30:00 |
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好 請坐 請坐坐坐坐 各位觀眾 政功康泰 坐坐坐 |
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壯士代請坐 |
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謝謝林思明水長請坐請坐謝謝謝謝哇11點12分傻媳婦等老公 |
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好 各位黨團幹部 三黨的幹部都已經陸續到位非常感謝大家那我們今天繼續延伸114年度中央政府總預算案公務預算部分我們今天首先非常歡迎主席總署陳主席長歡迎您農業部陳部長歡迎您內政部劉部長歡迎您勞動部洪部長歡迎您交通部陳部長歡迎您我想今天我們繼續延伸那麼昨天下午 |
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各黨團已經就114年度中央政府總預算廣泛發表意見現在我們能不能就通案部分來進行協商首先請柯建民柯總召請發言 |
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不可能啊,你看另外一個,我們意思是檢查一下麥克風設不...怎麼了?院長還沒有控制喔來來,對不起齁這個情形問題,今天兩位 |
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黃總召以及副總召都沒有到黃總召剛剛來了,他現在出去可能打個電話,他剛剛到了我們希望大家維持的,我講完你又要再回答,不要插嘴基本上你在插嘴你就是在插嘴嘛,你不要再搞這套,黃總召我不會插嘴 |
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你自己講好我們拜託尊重一下發言人我們每次講話他們沒有招就派他來亂我們不然說徐曉清、王文維我現在言明在先原來這對是很和平的工作你一天所以要先講遊戲規則 |
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兩位總裁沒有來,待會我們很快喔,算不算數,要請簽名,假如不算數的話,我們是,我到決定我能夠代表不是來到了,假如不是這樣的話 |
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只要不是的話,我們稍等也無妨啦想先問這一句話,這很快,每一個決定下去就算數了等於是大家沒有意見都要簽名了先說這樣,院長你先問他們一下 |
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好 謝謝柯總召當然算數 他書記長在這裡剛剛黃總召在 現在蔓越真委員跟吳春城都是幹部他當然算數 怎麼能不算數呢至於他的總召首席副書長不到補簽那是補簽的問題 柯總召你不用擔心我們所有黨的幹部都贏到了到時候一定要補簽 不要搞南開亞補簽當然要補簽 開玩笑你不用擔心包括你都會這樣 我對他們有信心來 |
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這是第一點第二點上禮拜五我們是不是大家很高興而且大家拍手上演演長辦公室協商 |
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昨天協商的時候,第一個案子要趕快把野生動物保護法請副院長還沒簽趕快簽,有沒有這回事?而且院會也先路過,有沒有這回事?那為什麼你發了協商通知也把我放在最後面?這顯然是作弊行為 |
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行政公司就在這裡啊院長,我不希望大家是很誠懇的在做事情,特別都做一些保健的行政公司就寫第四案嘛,那個你說還算,你講說那第第一案而且無異議通過,馬上簽名,我們來開始為什麼呢? |
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因為傅文綺沒有簽嘛,黃總裁還在場嘛,大家在想說,那遠征東部保護沒有抄寫章但是呢,支會委員會以後大家都沒有意見嘛,那傅文綺不簽,好,傅文綺不簽實際上 |
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他不簽的話,就找程序可以找程序處理啊當然如果槍來外槍,那就找程序處理,就是表決處理嘛來發言嘛那你去你去論述說為什麼不簽維保法嘛那這個也不要說嘛,不要這樣傷感情昨天我們學長的一個案子就是說請婚姻局馬上簽,這個我們才能夠就進行下一頁而且A會還先如過了 |
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院長有這回事吧?那你為什麼忘記呢?為什麼把這個案子,後來第四案,昨天我們前面那裡吵一吵,這個案子又不見了?要見你保健人,什麼才是保健人?用詐欺嘛,所以請院長我們對這個事情要怎麼處理?那溫文綺現在又不在,又沒有得簽,所以我們要怎麼進行?院長你才是好不好? |
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好謝謝,我們因為急著關切中央政府總預算大家立法院天職就審查預算所以今天協商我們先排了中央政府總預算那野生動物保護法我們還可以在私底下再溝通跟協商我們總是希望能夠順利的通過這個他無庸置疑你把他整個在那裡捉抓,而且都根本不一致嘛上禮拜五嘛,因為我先錄過嘛 |
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黃國昌也在場啊,我相信他也不會做偽證吧你是不是也在場?大家給個面子嘛我們這個禮拜一協商的時候,先簽叫往下走,中央政府總區算吧好,我們現在請書記長林思明,國民黨請 |
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首先我想要跟柯總召來這個就野保法這個議題我想其實野保法總之你心知肚明 |
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這個案子不是說一定要在這裡協商才能夠去簽字啦所以你要如何的去說服我們副總召我想你們兩個那麼好啊你們兩個好好私底下去談啊這才是重點啦所以我們就很直白的講嘛現在有個有把什麼八占耶這個我們真的聽不下去總預算是不是現在最重要的 |
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所以你把野保法今天又提出來講說野保法為什麼不排在第一案那你自己也知道這個案子如果你跟副總召沒有談好你覺得在這邊冗長的發言會不會完成協商不可能嘛我覺得就很直白的告訴你嘛所以把這個案子講說什麼人家拔劍什麼詐數我覺得這個對於整個協商程序毫無注意啦總召我要特別提醒你啦 |
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第二個我想總長今天我想今天會有這種狀況發生你自己應該也很了解昨天在整個協商程序你的發言一直冗長的發言沒有時間的限制大家都在聽你謀因傳老盤古開天一直講從過去一直一直講一直講講到大家真的是受不了了就是說這種協商對於實質我們程序的那個總預算的審查完全沒有辦法進入啊一直提醒你啊你也說我就是要發言 |
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你不讓我發言你要我時間限制打死我也不同意所以這個對整個協商我是覺得是完全沒有辦法去這個進行所以今天當然我先來當然我們的總商首富他們先忙一下但如果說能夠順利進行他們一定也會到這個你不用擔心那我想我們這個回歸到實質面我們現在總預算的一個審查其實我們在野黨 國民黨我們都 |
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這個對於我們的提案都希望能夠跟各部會所長能夠大家就一個案一個案我們大家來討論討論出一個我們大家都能夠接受的一個結果但是還沒有談我們就看到整個執政黨鋪天蓋地在不管是利用網軍側翼連我自己我都莫名其妙被打得莫名其妙講說什麼我們組黨預算 |
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就是在那邊挑撥是非帶風向啊我覺得這樣子做的話配合我們柯總召在這邊那個發言我們覺得說這樣子如何協商啊院長這真的很難協商還沒有開始協商我們只是合理的監督預算就被人打出我們是什麼中共的同路人中共的代理人 |
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總之你自己也講林思明是非常理性的一個人啊連我這麼理性的人都被打成這樣子啊 |
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我覺得這種真的是這樣對國家社會對於整個民主的進步毫無注意所以如果真的要大家要國家要往前走預算要趕快審完我們真的拜託真的是拜託拜託執政黨拿出誠意好好的來協商所以今天的程序如果能夠這個 |
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很順利的話 很正常的進行的話我們是樂觀啟程 以上 謝謝謝謝林市民 蘇議長 接下來請黃國昌總召請發言 |
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其實我不知道現在到底要討論什麼我具體的講我們上一次簽過協商結論了基本上我們就是希望明天的時候院會開始報告事項處理完再來處理有關於公平教育委員會委員被提名的同意權現在最重要的事情就是把總預算給處理完 |
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天外飛來一筆現在扯到野生動物保育法我不知道在整個國會agenda的擬定上面突然野生動物保育法這件事情會比現在的總預算重要嗎第二個就野生動物保育法 |
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台灣民眾黨黨團我們沒有什麼特別的意見其他的黨團有意見我們當然是尊重其他黨團的意見嘛那但是以現在的狀況來講你要拿野生動物保育法的協商來卡總預算的協商嗎所以我為什麼一開始說我聽不懂現在到底是要討論一個什麼東西啊我沒有辦法理解啦 |
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第三個部分我還是要再度對昨天發生的事情表達台灣民眾黨黨團的抗議昨天浪費大家一堆時間繼續在這個會場指責在野黨在賣國我再說一次我無法接受你憑什麼說在野黨在賣國憑什麼說在野黨在賣國在國會殿堂裡面愛怎麼噴就怎麼噴 |
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我們有必要坐在這邊接受你的人格侮辱跟人格攻擊嗎你講個具體的例子出來嘛說軍事設施跟設備統三百分之三你要嚇掉人家大牙過去這幾年哪一年最少不是統三百分之三還有統三到百分之四的馬政府執政時期還有統三到百分之五的這都是客觀的歷史事實啊 |
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這些客觀的事實通通都不講利用自己掌握的媒體優勢鋪天蓋地的網軍在抹紅在野黨我沒有辦法理解啊堂堂的執政黨怎麼會做這種事情啊 |
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謝謝各位黨團幹部因為我們時間的關係,現在請大家針對剛才我所向大家報告的我們是不是先就通案的部分來進行現場等一下,你不可以偷步啦現在大家請國務在看,他們講完話我怎麼回應是我挑戰他們嘛,我要好好說明而已你可以讓我先講的話,你再發言嗎因為你要往下走嘛 |
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我意思是說針對這個剛才協商的主題我們是不是進行通案的部分來進行協商拜託各位黨團幹部能不能聚焦一下我是在提醒大家您現在吳思瑤幹事長舉手了 |
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好 請柯總召請院長 我就說你再拖度嘛剛才議題你就A筆拔勾銷這怎麼做得下去呢我是很好意思說今天已經很和平了那我們能夠走下去然後我昨天的發言也是一樣就是說總而言之大家都沒有審過我之前審過 你也沒有審過若然來院長一處處的人他們就知道這麼煩雜的東西 |
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一案一案討論這裡有人一案一案討論,有時候一個案子討論一天所以我要講的就是說如何解決總運算的問題這才是重點嘛你要增加開會時間都可以所以我現在來一一來做一個很懇切的說明這樣可能可以嘛我是要解決問題的人我從來就是一個解決問題的人不是製造問題的人那當然 |
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我收報有時候會比較說,針對問題就不會跟你拐彎摸腳啦所謂的王國昌常常講,執求對決,以後到底講清楚,大家都會誤解第一個針對林世民的講話,我現在回答 |
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林士明講話全部道我國為因啦我說林士明坦白講我過去跟他老朋友他也蠻理性他是律師啦但是呢他叫國立郎啦在參加國民黨以後他變成必須言不由衷啦這所謂的就是說陽期應該折幕而棲啦你不要在國民黨裡面你可能會人格比較健全一點第一個我們上禮拜所談的到歐盟現在也到了 |
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上禮拜五在你辦公室裡面大家一談和氣 是不是這樣然後說大家要簽 幫他研發法那研發法怎麼沒有處理 時間到了那時候說郭文綺還沒簽我說你不簽我們就照程序來處理 因為大家都簽 所以照程序來處理嘛好 給個面子沒有關係 你做禮拜三 做禮拜一 |
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學長說我們先清票,不賺太多時間,你也頂頭如算,很高興嘛你已經宣讀過,議場都宣讀過了那昨天為什麼一直一來的時候,也把我放在第四章,我就悶悶吭聲了坦白講,我一直想說 |
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我們院長怎麼記憶這麼差啊你講的話要你簽名你在議場上又是你簽讀的怎麼忘記把A8法說荒台第一案啊當然一開始就簽了就往下走嘛然後才會順嘛然後談總運算嘛這個東西我不希望 |
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你那個人凹我,凹我一定會翻臉的那這個鐵絲絨都要拿出門給你看又有錄影、錄音、又有宴會,這個都很清楚了那這個你還會凹的,你以為他根本...好不好所以第一點我講說是這個問題齁那林志明講得更妙 |
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這個我們總計算比較重要啦這個反正你跟胡同釗很好你們試下去過分講一講就好了嘛所以你找胡同釗談一談謙謙比較快這是曹偉強大家談的嘛你怎麼把他推給胡同釗謙謙在A班低音聽我指揮的樣子這對他也不敬吧 |
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我是跟他好朋友沒有錯,但是現在他還沒做理由就認識他但是他現在不以為我們黨大黨的黨鞭,我非常尊重他的職務所以他罵我,我沒有意見我罵他他也不會,因為這職務的關係嘛但是私下朋友是私下朋友,公的是公的所以自己研究一些問題我可以私下私下跟他聊天談話但是一上場的時候 |
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就開始修了,那是立場嘛做朋友可以啊,我們醫療沒有做友誼,就一定也是好朋友所以你覺得邏輯把曹耀祥講好的東西可以台院私下你們再去談一次那以私來破功用私人你們有交情把我們曹耀祥功的心打破掉這個邏輯是不對的,你就是私人 |
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我跟你講,我知道你的意思啦,你合人啦你合人啦你這個邏輯齁,你上法院,沒辦法講好不好你這個邏輯,你上法院去問你的當事人背負的話,大庭就輸,大庭就輸接下來說什麼,這個法院實當人太冗長啦 |
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要限制發言時間我昨天有講過我有跟韓議員講說除非你把我打死全世界國會沒有在限制國會議員發言的次數以及發言時間一百三十天的啊慌張不要笑那除非共產國家而已啊你留美的我告訴你啊美國飛Buster |
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就是說沒有非法使用就是說你要發言就是不能中斷一中斷的話就不行所以從美國國會議員使用這個民主程序的時候他從他的座位走到發言台 |
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三進三退 只要走一整天三進三退 因為他要充分的掌握他這個遊戲規則所以美國國會是這樣 上完演台以後他開始演講 不用代稿 不用代稿 一直演講 講一個禮拜 |
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就是全世界民主是這樣的啊全世界民主國家哪一個有限制國會議員講話的次數以講話時間一百三萬鐘要跟他講國務啊講國務啊黃昌昌你是牛美女你剛才笑得很可愛你可以反駁我你不要用那種不屑的笑好像有傷你自己的博士協會這個我很誠懇的講 |
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院長,我希望你會聽得懂,對於你是亞共的啦,去共產黨啦,你們大陸人,其實你們那區的都不一樣,還給你發言,發言都是安排的,民主國家沒有這一套,所以婚姻主義根本講錯,你們全部都附和他,那你是整棟的白色的喔? |
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你這個東西,你的黨家組合都存在嘛,你連民主思維都沒有啊你記憶體連ABC都沒有啊這是我在這裡還是在山所以我講一句話一句話,不一定要怕死我才不會說話就當年經常演唱陶百川最有名的一句話就像我第一任年經常演唱陶百川啊他講過一句話,臨民而死,無墨而生 |
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他都厲害在建議實習老蔣的時代當時的行政院長當時的行政院長以及央行總裁同時是一個人但是呢那個央行總裁中間燒煤煤炭的時候公交分煤放給他煤炭給他 |
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但是他煤炭燒的量,淘寶山給他算,你根本燒整年的份只有中間才燒煤炭,為什麼算起來整年的份,貪汙要彈劾行政院長,淘寶山彈劾易鴻鈞行政院長你能講這時都出來說香,拜託跟華民助,這已經失去喔 |
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你不要,你給我面子,你不要把我行政院長今天樣樣走來,這麼樣中大位置把他彈了掉那國家他怎麼辦?把他講過不了面子啊國家怎麼辦?但是陶柏川講了一句話明明而死,不末而生陶柏川前級我家也有這麼長我常常看他陶柏川前級早期的監管長阿維恩,這意思的風格是如此 |
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在過去風雲時代也一直都有一定的風格過去也有未真所以今天要跟你講就是說你明明不可能限制我發言所以不能講話講太久我講的每一句話記一記都跟總運算有關係所以請大家注意聽那為什麼要這樣講呢 |
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我要告訴各位就是說因為大家沒有審查過總預算我非常擔憂我昨天一直在分析現在三千兩百多個案子你說一案一案還好好討論啊 |
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我請問你,一樣要討論幾分鐘?10分鐘好不好?那3萬多分鐘你們要出分看要多少時間?還要包括未來還要表決喔而且,而且這個都是要一輪二輪的所以過去就是說,像我們叫,這是創設規則就是以前一樣的規則 |
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也就是說禮拜二上禮拜五講禮拜一收件上禮拜五就講了喔禮拜一收件禮拜二各部會首長去博通 |
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他說有結果沒有結果都沒有關係沒有結果拿回來,有結果車案單拿回來改組建議拿回來,這就是但是呢,一天裡面要加這麼多部會,到處亂串那一定有人跑來跑去,檢量檢量半天你還要找到,你不知道要找誰,找召委所以他說沒有,你找董昭,董昭說你找助理就好 |
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這樣還跑來跑去請問你們各位董事長有接見過任何一個部委首長嗎?你說頂多洪山仁去看你一次面子洪山仁說你把出面留下來就算了你可以走了頂多是這樣而已啦不然都是助理在接啦所以院長真是一個非常混雜過去為了一個事情洪山仁說不道歉董事長不審人就跑了跑掉三天 |
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多急欸我現在把這個經驗告訴大家但是呢這個其實過去也不是這樣的制度這種制度是一個不好的創設但是在民進黨2012民進黨執政以後 |
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營養執政以後蘇貞淺院長營養執政完成執政所以給很多人特別通融就是說好啊 找各部會再去溝通一次各部會再去溝通回來我們再來看溝通結果該測案的測案該測案的看該主席的改主席然後這樣量就會少了 |
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但是少了以後,還是要擠一兩千案還要再六輪一直撤曾經黃國昌委員長在這裡,黃國昌委員在時代醫療的時候為了前瞻 |
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為了錢瞻,那時候國民黨委員會占領主席台,潑水,業會也是一樣不能讓錢瞻走下去,所以錢瞻是花掉子孫的錢現在錢瞻大家都要來搶錢瞻 |
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所以我今天要講說,那時候施加堅委員、專檢院長還特別創設曹雷學長讓黃國昌一個人把部委長來,兩個總統給他執行,就是給他這樣公然羞辱這並不是民進黨的錯誤,是國民黨知道你福祉不能這樣發言但是還給你黃國昌這樣咆哮一整天 |
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每一個人罵有國血淋頭這個影片都有啊那國民黨再來一次國民黨你小偷換錯人我還給你更新機會你可以再來打警察真的很冒險喔但是為了民黨過半為了和諧就算了 |
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過去黃院長在的時候,我們草小海大的時候,國民黨多數的時候從未有說先來協商的 |
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就是說大家坐下來,現在第一組列陣就開始圓一個安子檯我就坐在那裡,全程都有參加的那時候主委總署有蔡明勳現在已經過世了他完全在叫人,這組分組要來那分組他在控制這個現場主委總署至少要做三個禮拜 |
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做三個禮拜反正年紀這麼大還要做三個禮拜從早上到晚上12點要一直溝通一直溝通而且要很快速溝通馬上找到重點可以答應的就答應 不能答應就表決是這樣的啊是這樣走過來的啊諸如此類做三個禮拜有時候做一個月所以我們總計算一直拜託大家趕快出來為我們趕快來協商那國民黨現在是 |
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要到最後一天才出委員會,讓你協商的時間也沒有法院長我以上講這些,我希望你能夠聽下去,這和你總經算絕對有關係因為一般做委員會,一般做黨編,你也沒有參加過協商你甚至也沒有來執行,但是那些就是既往矣啦可是你今天當院長,你必須要冷靜思考 |
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你要如果當好一個院長,你要把這些基本的常識,你要control你要有,你才會幫忙我們一起說服在黨,大家好好談不是你這樣不讓我講話,讓我敲過去,這不對的好,接下來我們講黃國昌,現在突然抬頭,我趕快把解釋黃國昌的問題好不好好,黃委員講說這個 |
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這個那天有簽了嘛那天我們也曾經簽了就是說禮拜五要這個公民會容許行駛也簽了再往前是我們也簽了,也有辦法,都是簽的那你現在問我說,啊到底民進黨是這樣啊到底是來公民會,公民會不重要嗎為什麼要也有辦法兩個都是簽過啊,簽過就要履行啊 |
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那這個禮拜五要公平會的時候,今天大家講好了,昨天都應該簽好,馬上念過去就,其實就是五個橋紋而已,是一個東西而已,有關售假的問題而已。 |
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八點過去幾分都練完了然後再來跟民會同一天行事這有衝突嗎黃昌你不要免促講到似是而非的然後你一天不講有好笑的我們動不了來看這樣簡單的事情你這場面前也要跟我框這個昨天你在那邊大喊聲在那邊鬧場昨天為什麼呢然後你又講說好像 |
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你是總裕聖比較重要,我也知道總裕聖比較重要,基本的也給過了然後說你要抗議民進黨,民進黨在學長以前就先罵你賣國沒紅,黃昌偉罵你賣國是太客氣,你要亡國了 |
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那太客氣啦,那有事要太客氣,我告訴你王國不要抬,王國因為現在這樣做法,根本是什麼做法,全台灣的人都知道啊當然現在這樣搞下去的話,共產黨根本不想執政嘛那所有的立法院都匪憲亂政嘛,為所欲為嘛 |
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讓台灣斷嘛,然後引進讓我們中國配合恢復立法和平解放台灣嘛柯總長,我提醒你一句話好不好現場只有我一個人在看,你全部都沒有人在看沒關係,我講的你能不能把時間縮短一下我知道,因為這個也會講到你們大家的痛處啦我講給空氣清就沒有關係,好不好那是你要反對的話請問我講完 |
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然後其實這個很清楚啊 你們對於什麼機密運算 你說國防部你的提法是什麼來我念給你聽啊 你說封山的計畫你只是寫機制裝備及設施嘛 通商3%我昨天就有講過 機密運算從來不刪的機密運算從來要排除的 也不能在這裡開 |
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請監事部經營設備當然是啊戰機維修是不是當然是啊無人機要扣減是不是設備當然是啊那這都機密預算啊 |
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當然排除啊 也不可能在這裡你用這個來框我所以很多 我常常講你啊我們百姓要先睡覺不是要吃然後來變天天活在說謊的世界裡面你難道不會覺得你很痛苦嗎 |
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你這樣活了有什麼意義啊一天不講好消息晚上是不會睡的但他很誠懇的才是一個頂範嘛我曾經在你在時代一樣當議法委員的時候我在議場裡面都跟你講過一句話我想你已經很刻苦迷信了我說黃國昌我承認你很認真但是你很認真做事不可以收割你很可惜 |
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318以後很多學生今年學追逐禮你應該建議你的問政典範往梁山的面前去做結果你整天說到今天你還在講說柯恩哲抗議司法這天大的笑話你這還有臉去講說柯恩哲是司法司法迫害 |
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你剩下的是什麼?連小丑都會跑掉,你會當一個空的黨主席柯總長聚焦你已經講了29分我現在還沒看到焦焦就在這裡,焦就是精密預算的問題 |
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所以我今天跟各位講國安黨對於國防預算他們有在變魔術他現在變成說 |
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三兩億 點進三兩億 動十八億還是三啊動的時候是不是要國民黨多數才能夠解動那白講的嘛所以你就跟冷戰三二十億一樣的意思所以大家不要在這裡變魔術你要變魔術我也奉陪你沒有關係你要動就動我們再來到 |
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未來在結論的時候,再想辦法,我們必須面對,因為我們是少數黨,我們必須認真所以我昨天講說,問題會受重,我們只有51個,你們要做什麼事情,絕對沒有意見,也沒有法院企業人的力量 |
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你要開會到週末禮拜六禮拜天開,我也同意你要講說統三多少數字,我也同意你要統三加一些特別三十五的混合型,我也同意你幫黃昌松,那就直接表決,我也同意 |
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那黃國昌竟然講說是我要直接表決,是你講要直接表決,你先提出來嘛你先Modify這個事情嘛你要提出低層樓黃國昌直接表決,我當然也同意我不能同意可以嗎?我要給他修法,給他修法,給他處理結果你一直在吃,現在所有節目我都吃了總共老百姓都在看了昨天是你講的 |
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因為我們來直接表決,我同意,現在阿翁是我要職位表決你快好了,你進來跟我說適合適合最後捷運要告訴你所以我今天要講,大家要保護我前來的功課,大家都好朋友,這台車,可能台車要省困 |
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我監控你聽沒關係,你監控你聽要怎麼教給他學沒關係,因為這有正常立場你罵我說你老了,老頑丁還在這裡講故事,都沒有關係,你要做任何任何的欺騙我都沒有關係但是,我要講真話 |
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就是說講過的話大家所信所承諾,否則的話大家會翻臉的因為你是黨鞭嘛,你罵我才是理所當然你如果說我何為裕,你哪有可能做黨鞭我當黨鞭你講過兩話,人家就叫我下台了 |
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當然黨派也不是來自己做好人、好事代表所以今天大家有立場今天...你再注意一下我會回答黃汪威,我比較喜歡黃汪威昨天的挑戰我昨天講說...沒關係,我要講掉我只要講一個最大的重點你也在場,他也在場 |
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昨天是新澤基金會,昨天是四季週年,對不對我們當時辦青春會裡面藍藝各場都有黃連也在,你有沒有看到黃連也在?對不對?余煥英也在那還有誰?這個王建壯也在各路英雄法案都在 |
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所以說很特別就是說,有一個叫做李念淑也在,李念淑就坐在我們同一座坐在對面但是我最近對於李念淑的憲法的看法,其實很嚴厲的評判包括挑戰她,要挑戰施永青我說,施永青講的難力 |
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藍綠和解,藍綠雖然不同立場,大家能夠坐下來談話,我知道民間組的立場不一樣,我知道韓國瑜的立場不一樣,可是我們還是能夠坐下來談話,政治立場是一回事,我們都必須尊重。 |
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結果我講這個東西,但是昨天有一個最重要的事情是什麼?是說我要完成蔣介石跟蔣經濟國以及市民國的一致他們絕對反共的,說我要大罷免,那反共要跳起來今天講左翼船大罷免有什麼關係?我告訴你關係在這裡因為你提一個主決議,這個決議現在網路都在傳因為你們太心虛了,你怕被罷免 |
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你很好人啊,因為你太新興,網路喔,網路都在傳,所以我講都沒...不是台安喔,不只... |
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來來來 周宣傳呢 來來來 承認一下那個柯建民總裁辦公室主任周宣傳的專門來黑我們的沒關係 但是這個主決定非常好完全合法 哪一點不合法你看哪一點不合法 你講我講我現在講 |
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你這樣做很好,我替你廣為生產好不好?今天幫你傳,全台灣有千百萬個桌圈啦桌圈只是一個小桌圈而已 |
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我再給大家聽 這主題就是什麼我們現在我們說要罷免我一直聽你講罷免 大家說我神經病一下要罷免 要一罷 二罷院長要罷 三罷 連湯姆德先生都要罷大家說我是神經病當然我自己在唱獨角戲可是大家要了解民意民意在決定的 不是我講的沒有一個人 |
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可以決定要不要罷免會沒有一個黨可以決定要不要罷免同時也沒有一個人或一個黨可以阻止罷免因為這是民意那因為他國民區因為他平常太尊重我們黨因為從容值太高他很怕被罷免所以他在今天這個總結算裡面 |
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你就下來選一次嘛你就下來選區域嘛就下來選一次嘛選一次才會被罷免嘛你講了一個小時不讓人家講這個叫民主主席才是你也不聽這個叫民主民主就是大家都要聽你講話叫民主你是怎樣 |
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我以前都說要聽你講話 全世界都要聽他的報紙 大家都說不要講 要叫民主啦這就是民進黨的民主 這就是民主你這人叫什麼民主 你這人叫什麼民主 |
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還不適合啦 不適合去動你啦我現在跟你講齁 你沒辦法啦 我跟你講齁我最後講一分鐘就好了 他們都怕了既然他這樣講齁 |
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我講大辦公室總預算,總預算就是提案在這裡,王威提案的嘛就是准分中選會預算,他把中選會的業務費用喔那辦選務的業務費用喔,六百七十八萬兩千喔,他把他凍結一半那要怎麼樣?要所有的,現在中選會所有的表格重新判過這塊重新判過,重新判得起 |
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而且在一個月內起訴報告才給通知詢問現在的中午詢問規定是什麼要罷免表格說在哪裡隨時可以當落所以現在很多人當落要罷免啦 |
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所以黃毓民會想到這一套說你要重新弄一個新的表格要把新的表格再來啊所以呢這個就是什麼還太稀稀的 怕你很罷免啊不是這樣嘛 哎唷 人家都很好 我都會上團 |
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黃國輝 歡迎大家來幫忙來幫忙宣傳他很怕被罷免這個就是總運算 哪一條跟總運算沒有關係韓院長 你憑個理啦一分鐘一分鐘到了一分鐘到了 |
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你就直接要求胡適要發言啦 |
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我們這一段 柯總知道你還沒有當院長咧柯總知道一個人跳水上芭蕾跳了38分鐘 |
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各位親愛的黨團幹部我真的很希望草野協商這個平台是有效的我們所有的立法委員都在立法院期待我們草野協商對中央政府總預算達成共識或者部分共識也讓我們減輕我們很多立法委員的壓力也能達到更有效的審查預算如果這樣子 |
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我們今天我們一 |
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今天因為總統接見去美國的團所以我們11點開始協商現在11點56分我們柯總統一個人快講了45分鐘的話所以說我很想把朝野協商這個平台搭建起來大家心理壓力都很大希望中央政府預算能夠順利的通過 |
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但是我很遺憾柯總召應該扮演立法院的真的所有委員的典範把他的經驗傳承給更年輕的委員我們希望是有效率的朝野協商但我相信柯總召是有智慧的有智慧但是沒有辦法當典範如果說跟其他政黨不停的謾罵我覺得實在是太可惜了我相信民進黨的立委也一定敢出啦不是光柯總大家都希望立法院往前走嘛能夠更有效率嘛 |
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那已經進中午12點了我們也準備有晚午餐那顯然大家都沒有達成共識我現在在思考因為現在綠的發言 民進黨發言完以後我們要不要 一定會的現在我們要不要繼續下午協商如果這個協商方式跟形態不能改變我們 |
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到底所求為何所以等一下我請國民黨團跟台灣民眾黨都會發言沒有問題但是我想針對是否能夠聚焦有效的進行中央政府總委預算的協商就這一點來發言也請大家表明一個態度如果真的協商不行我們也就全部交院會來處理現在請王宏威首席副長請發言台灣民眾黨請準備好 謝謝院長還有我們現場各黨團的同事我要講半小時 |
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然後還有我們現場還有很多的行政官員從昨天到今天大家都已經看得非常非常清楚了今天我們民進黨團他們真的是要來協商我們的總預算嗎他們真的要爭取總預算的通過嗎 |
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這種協商是正常的協商嗎?顯然不是我想剛才院長也非常感慨談到了說其實非常希望我們能夠有一個這樣的平台讓大家能夠就我們的總運算的部分也讓行政單位能夠讓他們能夠表達意見 |
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可是從昨天到今天事實上昨天兩個小時零進度到了今天也一個小時過去了仍然是零進度我們大部分時間都聽到的是我們柯建民總召自己的一個獨白然後我剛才真的覺得不可思議的從罵院長 |
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罵國民黨 罵黃國昌 罵林思明 竟然還講說林思明要良情折磨而棄我請問一下 這又跟我們今天的總預算有什麼關係?有什麼樣的關係?然後又不停的倒帶 我以為我今天又回到了昨天的下午的時間 |
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他講的什麼明明而生 不末而死昨天有沒有講 都有講啊為什麼要這樣不停的浪費大家的時間其實他有策略啊他就是不要協商啊 |
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他希望的 是到時候最後逼迫 反正因為民進黨有很多的側翼嘛包含他自己的這個主任 他的助理也在這邊不停的中央廚房 然後把所有這個有關預算的部分釋放出去用民進黨的側翼 用民進黨的媒體昨天不是一樣嗎 三明治已經在修理在野黨啦 |
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三明治修理完在野黨今天就變民進黨團來開記者會來繼續黑在野黨啊這就是現在我們 |
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執政黨對於總預算的態度 他不要協商啊他只要對立對抗 而且他只要不停的黑你啊剛才喔 院長 其實我知道啊 語重心長啊其實我們本來也很尊重柯總召在立法院這麼久的時間 他有非常成熟的經驗也非常的對議事規則非常鮮熟 |
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剛才院長還說希望呢他能夠把他的一生的武功一生的經驗啊能夠傳承啊如果是一個有高度有宏觀的政治人物我想他不但應該去傳承給民進黨的委員們新進的委員們甚至呢跨政黨的委員大家都很願意為他學習可是現在他成為什麼呢他成為一個 |
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廢話大全的一個柯總召他成為一個講話漏漏腸沒有重點的柯總召他成為一個充滿權謀但是不顧大局的柯總召所以他沒有辦法當典範這樣子的經驗不要傳承給大家 |
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否則的話他只是帶壞這些委員而已就如同柯總召他喜歡拍桌子他基本上在他那邊拍桌子我也不會講什麼話但最多大家那個什麼情緒表達一下像他上次還跑到主席院長的前面去拍院長的桌子這不就是帶壞這些立委嗎所以 |
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剛剛進來的王逸純才會在黃國昌委員在發言的時候去拍他的桌子這過去都從所未有啊所以第一個 |
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不要 院長我知道你很好心但是呢 我覺得他們是把好心當罹官費啦好 我現在回到 就說剛才院長也詢問說那這樣子的話 我們要不要繼續的協商我必須講 今天我們在野政黨不管是國民黨或者民眾黨我們事實上是有極大的誠意極大的誠意來做預算的協商 |
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可是如果協商今天都變成昨天的局面跟今天的局面我們大家浪費這麼多的時間更不要說我們一大堆行政院的官員都坐在這裡他們沒有任務可做嗎什麼叫癱瘓政府 這才叫癱瘓政府吧幾個小時坐在那邊 他們一句話也不能說 |
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然後聽一大堆的廢話所以如果今天的協商的平台是這樣的協商的話那我具體的建議為代表我們黨團具體的建議這樣的協商不要也罷浪費大家時間 |
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其實說實在 我們 我剛剛有怎麼講 我們都很有誠意昨天比如說我們這個 今天我們的通案 通案裡面有國民黨團提的有個別委員提的 有民眾黨團提的我們昨天還在那邊 在利用休息時間跟黃國昌總召 我們做初步的 初步的意見交換有什麼 我們通案的部分我們可以整合 |
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不能整合的部分該怎麼做可以整合的部分該怎麼做我們還不夠事大體嗎我們還不夠還不夠孤大局嗎是到底誰要癱瘓政府啊 |
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癱瘓政府都不就是民進黨團嗎到現在都不願意協商然後又提出野保法那請問一下他昨天講了那麼久講了兩個小時他有提到野保法嗎突然在今天提到說為什麼我們不來討論協商野保法請問他昨天那兩個小時有提到嗎 |
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容許我 因為他可能漏漏腸我真的沒有聽到他在談野保法那還有跟院長是這邊提到說我們要協商野保法嗎沒有吧 我還沒講完所以我的意思就是說如果今天是這樣的態度那麼根本就沒有辦法進行協商這樣的協商真的不用也罷好 然後我要特別提到因為呢 |
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剛才柯總召有提到我那我的部分待會我會說明我那個主決議絕對是合法合規好 來今天呢民進黨團也召開記者會啊召開記者會我不曉得那個金額是從哪裡而來啦說民眾黨刪掉 |
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估計刪掉兩千億國民黨估計刪掉一千五百億不得了啊這代表癱瘓政府啊然後農業部呢就開始對外呢也在宣稱按照這樣子的話我們呢就要關門啦就要關門啦為什麼要這樣嚇唬政府為什麼要這樣嚇唬人民呢 |
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我給大家來報告一下即便以民進黨黨團今天召開記者會我想他們已經上球必落下黃泉想盡辦法來把這個數字來碰轟就算他們那個數字那個數字根本是錯誤的數字好那加起來國民黨團跟民進黨團好3500億3500億就會癱瘓掉政府嗎 |
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3500億我們的政府就被癱瘓囉有沒有sense啊我真的覺得我每次都在說民進黨的一些委員不懂預算假懂假裝懂然後在對外胡說八道每次被打臉打到腫了不止還要繼續拗我就問你我問對面 招開記者會3500億可以癱瘓政府嗎 |
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3500億可以貪換政府嗎?我給大家報告一下當年蔡總統她在野的時候 她怎麼說?她說要暫停鎮鎖稅 要暫停鎮鎖稅而且說總預算砍多少?砍20% |
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他在野的時候總預算要砍20%他說砍20%我們才能夠救政府的財政才能救台灣 救財政這是當時蔡英文總統他在野的時候說要暫停眾所 所以要總預算砍20%好 那我給大家算一下3500億 占我們今年度的稅出多少呢不到12% |
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砍20%救財政救台灣砍12%癱瘓政府政府關門民進黨團吶民進黨團吶認真一點好嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
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現在我看到有人 趕快算 趕快算我都幫你算過了啦就是你們都不懂預算然後天天就是用口水的方式用黑人的方式然後用嚇唬大家的方式3500億 請問怎麼樣癱瘓政府好 再來今年的稅出3兆13203兆1325億去年多少 |
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去年兩兆九千五百億比今年少多少?一千八百億去年政府有關掉嗎?沒有啊運作的好好的他們說一千八百億所以你不能看一千八百億以上喔再來一百一十二年一百一十二年中央政府總運算的算出規模是多少?兩兆六千八百九十一億比今年少多少? |
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少4500億啊112年的時候 我們政府有關門嗎農業部 你有關門嗎政府有關門嗎政府有被癱瘓嗎那你不要告訴我蔡英文政府的時代其實你們全部都是被癱瘓掉的笑死人比今年 足足少4500億啊 |
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政府有被癱瘓掉嗎所以今天我們所有中央政府總預算在稅出的部分其實該做的事情就是我們不管黨團不管委員或者是委員會大家可以去坐下來做協商的今天為什麼院長 |
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用心良苦 苦口婆心然後希望能夠透過我們這樣的協商平台大家來做一些大家可能有爭議性的那我相信行政部門也希望爭取預算我必須講啊你們很多一些二三級的這個單位啊都比你們有責任感 有 guts |
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他們都很努力的來跟我們很多的委員來做協商我告訴你啊 官越大越傲慢官越大越自以為是絕對錢就應該給你是不是給你去浪費是不是 |
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每天都來威脅人家每天都說這個不能刪 那個刪 你刪這個網路已經傳了什麼月額今天被刪掉了 房屋補貼被刪掉常常都是無中生有 驟牙生事每天用一堆事情來嚇唬老百姓就如同就業安定基金不是嗎以前就業安定基金有人敢動嗎一動不得了了你沒有照顧老公 |
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這都是勞工權益就業安定基金是放在勞工上的是不是大家都是這樣講都不敢刪啊你編多少就給你用啊用哪裡去啊我們新的勞動部長也在這邊啊就業安定基金用到哪裡去啊用到給部長開演唱會用到給這間首長做裝潢費豪華的辦公室 |
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用的 給這些首長買名牌去送禮有用到老公身上嗎這不就是現在的話術嗎你不能砍 你不能動 凍結都不准動喔對不起院長 我要講半個小時我們 我們他剛剛罵我的話還沒有講完喔 |
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所以我要特別說了我們既然有這個時間他在那邊都罵喜馬你看我講的都是預算吧我告訴大家實際的數字啊用功一點好不好罵人都沒有用功好 再來 |
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我知道院長現在急著要給槍但是我一定要講 他剛剛特別點名我這也是他的辦公室的主任 中央廚房然後做出去 我也看到啦網路上啊 然後那個什麼三明治就開始來鋪天蓋地請問一下 我的要求有不合法嗎有不合法嗎 |
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罷免是公民的權利但是我們在選罷罰裡面很明確的規定在滿一年之後你可以開始做罷免這個就是依法公民的權利但是我們現在知道確實現在很多在大半年前就開始做而現在有未來也會有 |
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更不要說我們現在立法院也有選罷法的修正不管有沒有罷免而中選會你今天比如說我們每一個年度然後我們有新版以避免這些團體都在違法罷免 |
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你2月1號開始 你去罷免 比如說現在也有公民團體也有人在罷免吳思瑤 但是他們知道要2月1號才能夠開始 所以他用意向書的方式從2月1號 人家就完全守法 按部就班的來收集所有的連署書 |
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OK啊這不就是公民的權利嗎同樣的你今天即便這些罷免團體你收集王宏威的罷免的這個聯署書我也尊重但是2月1號才正式起跑既然你收集的聯署書都是這麼實在的 |
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然後你就從2月1號我相信要罷免王宏威要願意都幫你簽聯署書了啊你現在聯署書他不能簽喔我就覺得奇怪了罷免吳思瑤的人家可以守法為什麼罷免王宏威的不能守法所以請問一下你們除了在那邊講大罷免大罷免之外我在整個的主決議裡面要求要合法合規依法行政 |
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所以我說我這個主決意非常正確啊凍結 什麼叫凍結我們因為我們現在直播每次越科技越明顯 現在大家看的人越來越多以前呢 民進黨就怎麼樣來黑凍結就是刪啊 你看到沒有 又是不懂不懂 扭曲歪曲事實凍結 只是暫時的凍結 請你做到一件事情之後那麼就解凍使用 |
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斷絕跟削減預算不能劃等號這是預算的ABC但是呢民進黨的側翼他們不懂啦他們不會懂的啊我們從來都沒有講過正確的事情啊連那個什麼行政院行政院的記者會都變成假新聞的那個新聞記者會我們行政院自己都變成假新聞啦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
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好 大家不知道啊 什麼裁劃法在那邊黑裁劃法 說要重提總預算啊請問你竹記書有重提總預算嗎?你每114年有重提總預算嗎?為什麼你之前去召開記者會行政院發言人可以說要準備重提總預算呢?假新聞啊 這個政府已經到了讓人不可思議的地步啊 |
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所以今天柯總商說他說我講他什麼他回應我他剛才那樣子說我也要回應但是我要講的就是說今天我們所有做的事情通通都是合法合規的事情你講到我哪一個我有做非法的決議嗎 |
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所以在這邊跟大家一定要做以上的報告然後我們特別講如果你真的有心要處理總預算那就好好的去來進入協商但是現在看得很清楚我們也不是笨蛋我們也不是白癡 |
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今天我們的柯總召 我也不知道他到哪裡去了可是呢 我不像黃國昌一樣我覺得黃國昌 因為他剛才罵侯剛昌 罵得比較多哪有這種事情啊他在這邊罵的時候 我們都乖乖坐在這邊聽啊所以 |
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麥玉珍應該回敬他所以在這邊我要特別講到把一些謠言把一些假訊息破除然後我真的就直接點破院長 真的 這個平台 |
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你苦心居綠 但是呢事實上最後只是變成柯建民自己一人獨白我不會接著 他是可以一次又一次的30分鐘30分鐘 我不會那麼長的時間但是我只是覺得如果今天我們各政黨可以由著柯建民總召 因為在再而三的然後把 破壞我們整個的協商的機制 |
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| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
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那我們是我們是笨蛋嗎我們為什麼要一直浪費我們的時間在這邊聽他的廢話所以在這邊跟院長也跟我們其他所有我們的立法院其他同仁報告如果協商是這樣的狀況那不用協商啊那我們就做意識處理啊我們在按照意識我們全部都合法合乎意識的程序來做處理以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
6517.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
謝謝國民黨團的二輪發言那我做一個宣告剛才新收兩個案如果沒有意見的話我們請財政委會專門委員納入協商的討論內容接下來請台灣民眾黨團做二輪發言請問一下是什麼新收案件程序請教一下因為我們有各個議案的截止時間嘛那新收的議案是什麼那現在對這個程序要確認一下喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
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什麼是新修議案?因為我們都有法定的期酬請黃國昌總召做二輪發言要確認一下,不能因為這樣,那這樣大家陸陸續續在立案就好不好?確認一下,不是不是不是,這個程序的問題等一下等一下,先把這個確認一下新修議案是針對預算的提案嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
那我們不是有統一的截止日期嗎對 沒錯這個可以嗎必須要院長本人簽字 我已經簽字你有什麼心提案也歡迎提出那要印給大家看 好不好好的好 一定會我們請台灣民眾黨團二人發言第一個 我本來以為今天早上11點是要來這邊協商預算我沒想到來了以後聽柯建民花了非常長的時間在進行人身攻擊謾罵 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
6595.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
柯建民總召如果要進行政治攻擊要進行謾罵的話我是建議他回民主進步黨黨團開記者會就好了沒有必要浪費這麼多人的時間也因此這個樣子我不會浪費大家的時間罵回去 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
6623.536 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
我對柯建民總召有什麼指教我回過黨團辦公室開記者會回應就好了他的習慣就是坐在那邊罵人罵了半個多小時現在人自己跑了他坐在那邊罵大家全部的人都罵過一輪罵完了以後拍拍屁股人就跑了 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
6651.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
這個就是民主進步黨立法院黨團總召的素質跟水準全體國人看在眼中大家心裡有一把尺第二個部分在講說什麼不罷免就不是台灣人我是台灣人啊他可以這樣子拿機關槍掃射謾罵所有的人就好像我現在在發言然後他持續的在這邊進行干擾 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
6673.845 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
我沒有辦法理解民進黨的立委是跟柯建民學的學到這麼沒有品嗎沒有 大家都可以看得出來嗎民進黨的立委是跟柯建民一樣這麼沒有品嗎就好像好幾次我去你辦公室後面 議場後面協商的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
大剌剌的坐在大家的前面菸拿起來 點了就抽請他不要做這樣的事情 視若無睹啊繼續搞啊在議場背後 柯建民做過幾次這樣的事情啊傲慢 自大 目中無人他以為他在立法院比較久 他愛幹嘛就幹嘛柯建民先生 我跟你講啦立法院不是你開的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
6728.777 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
立法院不是你開的啦第三個部分第三個部分其實我昨天也表達過了啦民進黨他們現在在使用的伎倆是什麼在使用的伎倆就是他擺明的跟你講我沒有要協商嘛所以浪費這麼多大家寶貴的時間啊在罵人所以剛剛委員所講的那個建議啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
6735.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
6749.462 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
我附和請院長等一下跟大家說明一下基本的規則是什麼如果沒有辦法有基本的規則的話時間寶貴我寧願花時間我寧願花時間把接下來因為我們上次簽了協商結論白紙黑字 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
6759.207 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
6772.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
所有黨團的總編總召大家都簽了白紙黑字簽了兩個協商結論一個是五一二三天一次會總預算該怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
6796.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
第二個明天公平交易委員會人事同意權該怎麼處理白紙黑字大家都簽了字了就按照那樣子的方式就按照那樣子的方式來加以處理那第三個部分行政部門來說明有道理的我們會簽 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
6823.752 |
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我昨天在現場的時候警政署的消防署的提供書面意見我看完了我跟黨團的同仁說資料充足講的有道理我現場就簽了警政署署長在這邊嗎消防署署長在這邊嗎他們都可以印證啊我講的話絕對是真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
6860.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
那如果說其他的行政單位要擺出跟卓龍泰一樣傲慢的姿態如果其他的行政部門看到我們的行政院院長卓龍泰這種傲慢的姿態認為一定要跟院長看齊否則的話可能官位不保那我尊重他們的選擇我尊重他們的選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
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我們今天在這邊協商的時候院長您知不知道您11點主持協商啊卓榮泰11點半在行政院開記者會在罵國會卓榮泰11點半在行政院召開記者會罵國會對於卓榮泰所提出來的指教我老實說我的個性直求對決直求對決 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
6890.046 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
6909.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
等一下我覺得大家不要浪費時間啦對於行政院他們為什麼敢這麼囂張的散播假訊息欺騙全體國人理由很簡單嘛手上有一堆文宣預算啊手上有一堆文宣預算啊都給特定的媒體啊鋪天蓋地的抹黑在野黨啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
6921.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
這就是他們現在正在做的事情三兆兩千億 史上最高的預算台灣民眾黨黨團 刪除大概兩千凍結大概一千三千億 佔百分之十佔百分之十是史上最高的預算才佔百分之十 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
6961.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
我們的前總統蔡英文在當民主進步黨黨主席的時候說得很好他說當過部會所長的人就知道啊30%根本不會影響政府部門的運作 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
6977.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
當過總統的蔡英文在民主進步黨黨主席任內的時候他怎麼說的當過部會首長的人就知道30%不會影響政府部門的運作結果今天民主進步黨行政院院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
6992.883 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
講的好像30%台灣就要亡國了政府會癱瘓沒有辦法運作那顯然是卓榮泰的能力有問題啊蔡英文都講過啦當過部會首長的人都知道啊根本不會影響政府部門的運作啊那怎麼現在的卓榮泰這麼無能啊現在的卓榮泰這麼無能啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
7015.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
7042.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
三兆兩千億三兩千億到一千億還有多少還有兩兆九千億兩兆九千億給你花那也算是史上數一數二高兩兆九千億給卓榮泰花卓榮泰說不行錢不夠政府會癱瘓國家政府沒有辦法運作下去是立法院有問題還是你卓榮泰有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
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是立法院有問題還是行政院有問題啊我們今天是來這邊協商預算的不是來接受個人人格的侮辱跟謾罵的到目前為止啊到目前為止我相信院長您坐在那邊您心裡很有數啊我們今天坐在這邊是真的在協商預算還是在浪費時間 |
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| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
還是聽執政黨立院黨團的總召在這邊進行個人人格的攻擊所有直播大家都看得到每一個公民心中都有一把尺以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
7098.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
7103.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
剛才吳斯堯委會議詢問我回答一下新收的兩個案請各黨團幹部看 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
7110.124 |
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7137.634 |
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各黨團幹部如果對這兩個案有意見的話那可以表達不同意,我們就不能列案沒有意見,請自己簽字我想我們已經各黨團經過二輪發言目前還是沒有共識我們下午原則上就不進行協商請大家保持溝通再次感謝各部會首長、各位列席的官員辛苦大家,非常感謝大家我們現在散會 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
主席 |
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好，各位黨團幹部三黨的幹部都已經陸續到位，非常感謝大家，我們今天繼續研商 114年度
中央政府總預算公務預算部分，首先非常歡迎主計總處陳主計長，歡迎您；農業部陳部長，歡
迎您；內政部劉部長，歡迎您；勞動部洪部長，歡迎您；交通部陳部長，歡迎您。 |
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0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2025-01-16T11:13:13.941000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2025-01-16T11:13:30.226000+08:00 |
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我想今天我們繼續研商，那麼昨天下午各黨團已經就 114年度中央政府總預算廣泛發表意見，
現在我們能不能就通案部分來進行協商？ |
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0.963 |
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主席 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2025-01-16T11:13:33.170000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2025-01-16T11:13:34.792000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
好，首先請柯建銘柯總召請發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2025-01-16T11:13:52.232000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2025-01-16T11:13:55.034000+08:00 |
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請議事處檢查一下
麥克風設備怎麼了，有了。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0.611 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2025-01-16T11:13:58.155000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2025-01-16T11:14:11.231000+08:00 |
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這個院長那邊有控制喔，來，對不起，一樣程序問題，今天兩位黃總召以及傅總召都
沒有到，我們現在…… |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.675 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2025-01-16T11:14:11.391000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2025-01-16T11:14:14.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
黃總召剛剛來了，他現在出去可能打個電話，他剛剛到了。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
1 |
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柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2025-01-16T11:14:14.292000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2025-01-16T11:14:19.854000+08:00 |
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我先問清楚，你不用回答，我們希望大家維持我講完以後，你再回答，不要插嘴…… |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.613 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
麥委員玉珍 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2025-01-16T11:14:19.854000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2025-01-16T11:14:21.995000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
我沒有插嘴，我是回應你…… |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2025-01-16T11:14:21.995000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2025-01-16T11:14:22.336000+08:00 |
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你現在不就是在插嘴…… |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
麥委員玉珍 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2025-01-16T11:14:22.336000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2025-01-16T11:14:24.817000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
回應你，你剛剛在…… |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2025-01-16T11:14:24.817000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2025-01-16T11:14:27.198000+08:00 |
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你就是在插嘴，你不要在那邊給我搞這套，你們黃總召…… |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.682 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
麥委員玉珍 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2025-01-16T11:14:27.198000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2025-01-16T11:14:28.198000+08:00 |
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等一下你不要插嘴…… |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2025-01-16T11:14:27.478000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2025-01-16T11:14:34.203000+08:00 |
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我不會插嘴，你自己講好，不要插嘴。 |
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0.714 |
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主席 |
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2025-01-16T11:14:35.684000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2025-01-16T11:14:37.145000+08:00 |
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我們拜託尊重一下發言，請柯總召，請。 |
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0.667 |
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柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2025-01-16T11:14:39.847000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2025-01-16T11:15:45.806000+08:00 |
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我每次講話他們沒有招就派他來亂啦，不然就是徐巧芯、王鴻薇，我現在言明在先，
今天絕對是很和平的、講道理的一天，所以要先講一個遊戲規則，兩位總召沒有來，待會我們
很快，算不算數要先確定，假如不算數的話，我到絕對我能夠代表，吳思瑤也到了，假如不是
這樣的話，我們稍等也無妨啦，先問這句話，這很快，每一個決定下去就算數了，原則上大家
沒有意見都要簽名了，我先講這樣，院長你先問他們一下。 |
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0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2025-01-16T11:15:45.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2025-01-16T11:15:50.314000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
這是第一點，等一下還有……
協 2 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2025-01-16T11:15:50.314000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2025-01-16T11:15:58.096000+08:00 |
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當然算數，書記長在這裡，剛剛黃總召……現在麥玉珍委員跟吳春城都是幹部，他當然算數
啊，怎麼能不算數呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.907 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2025-01-16T11:15:58.956000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2025-01-16T11:16:05.237000+08:00 |
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至於他的總召、首席副書記長不到補簽，那是補簽的問題，柯總召您不
用擔心，我們所有的黨團幹部都已經到…… |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2025-01-16T11:16:05.397000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2025-01-16T11:16:07.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
到時候一定要補簽，不要搞那一套不簽…… |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2025-01-16T11:16:07.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2025-01-16T11:16:08.818000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
他們專門搞一套…… |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2025-01-16T11:16:08.818000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2025-01-16T11:16:09.678000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
包括你都會這樣，我對他們有信心？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2025-01-16T11:16:09.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2025-01-16T11:16:16.483000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
來，這是第一點。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2025-01-16T11:16:16.483000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2025-01-16T11:16:38.425000+08:00 |
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第二點，上禮拜五似乎大家很
高興，而且大家拍手，在你院長辦公室協商，說昨天協商第一個案子，野生動物保護法傅崐萁
總召還沒簽趕快簽，有沒有這回事？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.825 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2025-01-16T11:16:38.645000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2025-01-16T11:16:40.526000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
而且院會也宣讀過，有沒有這回事？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2025-01-16T11:16:40.526000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2025-01-16T11:16:44.029000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2025-01-16T11:16:44.029000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2025-01-16T11:16:47.771000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
為什麼你發了協商通知把野保法放在最後面？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2025-01-16T11:16:48.872000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2025-01-16T11:16:49.552000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
這顯然是作弊行為嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2025-01-16T11:16:51.924000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2025-01-16T11:16:52.364000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
協商通知就在這
裡啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2025-01-16T11:16:53.165000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2025-01-16T11:17:01.772000+08:00 |
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院長，我不希望大家很誠懇在做事情，但卻每次都弄這種「跋剪」，協商通知就寫第四
案嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.629 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2025-01-16T11:17:03.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2025-01-16T11:17:08.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
你講說列第一案，而且無異議通過，馬上簽名，我們才開始。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2025-01-16T11:17:08.939000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2025-01-16T11:17:08.979000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2025-01-16T11:17:16.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2025-01-16T11:17:17.170000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
因為傅崐萁沒有
簽嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2025-01-16T11:17:18.771000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2025-01-16T11:17:39.761000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
黃總召也在場，大家都講說野生動物保護法沒有朝野協商，出委員會以後，大家都沒有
意見，但傅崐萁不簽，好，他不簽的話，實質上大家就照程序處理，大家都簽，只有他不簽，
那就照程序處理，就大家發言，然後表決處理嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.557 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2025-01-16T11:17:43.624000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2025-01-16T11:17:45.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
你去論述為什麼不簽野保法？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2025-01-16T11:17:46.906000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2025-01-16T11:18:03.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
這個也不要這
樣傷感情，昨天我們協商另一個案子，就是說請傅崐萁馬上簽，我們才能夠進行下去，而且院
會還宣讀過了，院長有這回事吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2025-01-16T11:18:04.081000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2025-01-16T11:18:05.001000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
那你為什麼忘記呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2025-01-16T11:18:05.901000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2025-01-16T11:18:13.823000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
為什麼把這個案子放在第四案，昨天我
們前面在吵，吵一吵，這個案子又不見了，這不是「跋剪」，什麼才是「跋剪」？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.744 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2025-01-16T11:18:15.444000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2025-01-16T11:18:16.024000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
用詐術嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2025-01-16T11:18:17.844000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2025-01-16T11:18:19.225000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
院長，你對這個事情要怎麼處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2025-01-16T11:18:20.665000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2025-01-16T11:18:24.586000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
傅崐萁現在又不在，又沒得簽，那我們要怎麼進行？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2025-01-16T11:18:26.527000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2025-01-16T11:18:27.447000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
院長請
裁示好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2025-01-16T11:18:28.563000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2025-01-16T11:18:28.983000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2025-01-16T11:18:28.983000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2025-01-16T11:18:45.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
因為我們急著關切中央政府總預算，立法院的天職就是審查預算，所以今天的協
商我們先排中央政府總預算，野生動物保護法還可以私底下再溝通、協商，我們總是希望能夠
順利的通過，這毋庸置疑。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2025-01-16T11:18:46.516000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2025-01-16T11:18:56.923000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
這個案子禮拜一大家在那邊發誓，而且要輪過一次，上禮拜五院會也宣讀過，黃國昌
也在場，我相信他也不會作偽證吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.562 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2025-01-16T11:18:59.184000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2025-01-16T11:19:02.265000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
林思銘也在場，大家給個面子嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2025-01-16T11:19:04.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2025-01-16T11:19:08.127000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
我們這禮拜一協商的時候，先簽再往下走中央政府總預算，現在怎麼可以顛倒呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2025-01-16T11:19:08.127000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2025-01-16T11:19:09.127000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
好，謝謝柯總召的意見，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.091 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2025-01-16T11:19:08.768000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2025-01-16T11:19:08.908000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
現在請國民黨書記長林思銘。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2025-01-16T11:19:08.908000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2025-01-16T11:19:15.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
謝謝院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2025-01-16T11:19:15.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2025-01-16T11:19:39.050000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
首先我想要跟柯總召就野保法這個議題說明，針對野保法，總召你是心知
肚明，這個案子不是說一定要在這裡協商才能簽字，你要如何說服我們傅總召，我想你們兩個
那麼好，你們兩個好好私底下去談，這才是重點啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2025-01-16T11:19:39.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2025-01-16T11:19:48.572000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
這個我們就很直白的講，但你現在又說什
協 3
麼「跋剪」，這個我們真的是聽不下去，總預算是不是現在最重要的？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.773 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2025-01-16T11:19:49.993000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2025-01-16T11:20:01.942000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
你今天又把野保法提出
來講，說野保法為什麼不排在第一案，那你自己也知道，這個案子如果你跟傅總召沒有談好，
你覺得在這邊冗長發言，會不會完成協商？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2025-01-16T11:20:02.463000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2025-01-16T11:20:03.043000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
不可能嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2025-01-16T11:20:03.504000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2025-01-16T11:20:13.812000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
我現在就很直白的告訴你，所以把這個
案子講說什麼人家「跋剪」，什麼「詐術」，我覺得這對整個協商程序毫無助益，總召，我要
特別提醒你。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2025-01-16T11:20:14.933000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2025-01-16T11:20:47.710000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
第二個，今天會有這種狀況發生，我想總召你自己應該也很了解，昨天的整個協商程序，你
一直冗長的發言，沒有時間限制，大家都在聽你魔音傳腦，你從盤古開天開始講，然後一直講
、一直講，講到大家真的受不了了，覺得這種協商，完全沒有辦法進入實質總預算的審查，我
們一直提醒你，你也說：我就是要發言，不讓我發言，要限制我時間，打死我也不同意。 |
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0.803 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
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2025-01-16T11:20:49.211000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2025-01-16T11:20:53.533000+08:00 |
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這對
整個協商來說，我是覺得完全沒有辦法進行。 |
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0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
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2025-01-16T11:20:54.713000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2025-01-16T11:21:05.279000+08:00 |
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今天我先來，我們的總召、首副他們先忙一下，待會如果能夠順利進行，他們一定也會到，
這個你不用擔心。 |
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0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2025-01-16T11:21:06.400000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2025-01-16T11:21:51.830000+08:00 |
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我想我們回歸到實質面，就是有關總預算的審查，其實我們在野黨、國民黨
對於我們的提案，都希望能夠跟各部會首長大家一個案、一個案的討論，希望能夠討論出一個
大家都能夠接受的結果，但是還沒有談，我們就看到執政黨鋪天蓋地，利用網軍、側翼，連我
自己都被打得莫名其妙，講什麼我們阻擋預算，在那邊挑撥是非、帶風向，你們這樣做，再配
合柯總召在這邊的發言，這樣子如何協商？ |
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0.898 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2025-01-16T11:21:53.211000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2025-01-16T11:22:03.977000+08:00 |
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院長，這真的很難協商，還沒有開始協商，我們只
是合理的監督預算，就被人打著說我們是中共的同路人、中共的代理人。 |
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0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2025-01-16T11:22:05.959000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2025-01-16T11:22:12.275000+08:00 |
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總召，你自己也說林
思銘是非常理性的一個人，結果這麼理性的人都被打成這樣子啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2025-01-16T11:22:13.192000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2025-01-16T11:22:40.347000+08:00 |
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我覺得這樣對國家社會、對
於整個民主的進步毫無助益，如果大家真的要讓國家往前走，預算要趕快審完，我們真的要拜
託執政黨拿出誠意，好好來協商，今天的程序如果能夠很順利、很正常進行的話，我們是樂觀
其成。 |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
林委員思銘 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2025-01-16T11:22:40.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2025-01-16T11:22:41.948000+08:00 |
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以上，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2025-01-16T11:22:41.948000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2025-01-16T11:22:43.530000+08:00 |
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謝謝林思銘書記長，接下來請黃國昌總召發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2025-01-16T11:22:47.487000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2025-01-16T11:22:51.670000+08:00 |
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其實我不知道現在到底在討論什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2025-01-16T11:22:51.670000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2025-01-16T11:23:08.961000+08:00 |
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我具體的講，我們上一次簽過協商結論了，基本上我們就是希望明天院會開始報告事
項處理完，就要來處理有關於公平交易委員會委員被提名人的同意權嘛！ |
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0.908 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2025-01-16T11:23:08.961000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2025-01-16T11:23:32.817000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
現在最重要的事情就是把總預算給處理完，結果天外飛來一筆，現在扯到野生動物保
育法，我不知道在整個國會 agenda 的擬定上面，野生動物保育法這件事情會比現在的總預算重
要嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2025-01-16T11:23:32.817000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2025-01-16T11:23:54.638000+08:00 |
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第二個，就野生動物保育法，台灣民眾黨黨團沒有什麼特別的意見，其他的黨團有意見
，我們當然是尊重其他黨團的意見，但是以現在的狀況來講，你要拿野生動物保育法的協商來
卡總預算的協商嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.988 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2025-01-16T11:23:54.638000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2025-01-16T11:23:59.081000+08:00 |
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所以我為什麼一開始說我聽不懂現在到底是要討論個什麼東西啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2025-01-16T11:24:00.201000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2025-01-16T11:24:00.962000+08:00 |
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我沒有
辦法理解。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2025-01-16T11:24:02.558000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2025-01-16T11:24:23.002000+08:00 |
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第三個部分，我還是要再度對昨天發生的事情表達台灣民眾黨黨團的抗議，昨天浪
費大家一堆時間，繼續在這個會場指責在野黨在賣國，我再說一次，我無法接受，你憑什麼說
在野黨在賣國？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.987 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2025-01-16T11:24:23.462000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2025-01-16T11:24:25.162000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
在國會殿堂裡面愛怎麼噴就怎麼噴喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2025-01-16T11:24:31.793000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2025-01-16T11:24:38.058000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
我們有必要坐在這邊接受你的人格侮辱
協 4
跟人格攻擊嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2025-01-16T11:24:38.058000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2025-01-16T11:24:39.579000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
你講個具體的例子出來嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2025-01-16T11:24:41.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2025-01-16T11:24:45.523000+08:00 |
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說軍事設施跟設備統刪 3%，你要笑掉人家大牙？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2025-01-16T11:24:46.924000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2025-01-16T11:24:49.986000+08:00 |
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過
去這幾年，哪一年不是最少統刪 3%？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2025-01-16T11:24:51.707000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2025-01-16T11:24:59.353000+08:00 |
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還有統刪到 4%的，甚至馬政府執政時期還有統刪到 5%的
，這都是客觀的歷史事實啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2025-01-16T11:25:00.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2025-01-16T11:25:19.502000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
這些客觀的事實通通都不講，利用自己掌握的媒體優勢、鋪天蓋
地的網軍在抹紅在野黨，我沒有辦法理解堂堂的執政黨怎麼會做這種事情？ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2025-01-16T11:25:19.502000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2025-01-16T11:25:26.815000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
那我可以回應了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2025-01-16T11:25:26.815000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2025-01-16T11:25:35.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
因為時間的關係，現在請大家針對剛才我向大家報告的，我們是不是先就通案的部分來進行
？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2025-01-16T11:25:35.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2025-01-16T11:25:36.061000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
院長，等一下…… |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2025-01-16T11:25:37.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2025-01-16T11:25:37.822000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
你不必偷渡啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2025-01-16T11:25:39.763000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2025-01-16T11:25:45.967000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
現在全國在看他們講完話我怎麼回應，是我挑戰他們嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2025-01-16T11:25:46.487000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2025-01-16T11:25:48.108000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
我要好好說明而已。 |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2025-01-16T11:25:48.588000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2025-01-16T11:25:50.750000+08:00 |
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可以讓我先講完話，你再發言嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2025-01-16T11:25:50.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2025-01-16T11:25:51.931000+08:00 |
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因為你要往下走了啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2025-01-16T11:25:53.007000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2025-01-16T11:26:05.779000+08:00 |
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我的意思是說，針對剛才協商的主題我們是不是就通案的部分來進行協商，拜託各位黨團幹
部能不能聚焦一下，我是在提醒大家。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2025-01-16T11:26:06.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2025-01-16T11:26:09.582000+08:00 |
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現在吳思瑤幹事長舉手了，是不是讓吳思瑤幹事長…… |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.524 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2025-01-16T11:26:09.582000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2025-01-16T11:26:12.284000+08:00 |
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沒有，我要講。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2025-01-16T11:26:12.284000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2025-01-16T11:26:14.265000+08:00 |
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院長，我說這是你在偷渡嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2025-01-16T11:26:15.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2025-01-16T11:26:18.908000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
剛才的議題你就一筆把它勾銷，這怎麼走得下去呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.762 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2025-01-16T11:26:19.828000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2025-01-16T11:26:49.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
我
是很好意的說今天一定很和平的讓我們能夠走下去，包括我昨天的發言也是一樣，就是說總預
算大家都沒有審過，我雖然審過，你也沒有審過，周萬來秘書長以及議事處的人，他們就知道
這麼繁雜的東西倘若一案一案討論，因為這裡有人一案一案討論，有時候一個案子就討論一天
，所以我要講的就是如何解決總預算的問題，這才是重點嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.814 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2025-01-16T11:26:50.352000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2025-01-16T11:26:57.598000+08:00 |
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包括你要增加開會時間都可以，
我現在一一做個很懇切的說明，這樣總可以吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2025-01-16T11:26:58.298000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2025-01-16T11:27:02.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
我是要解決問題的人，我從來就是一個解決問
題的人，不是製造問題的人。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2025-01-16T11:27:04.864000+08:00 |
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當然我說話有時候會比較針對問題，就不必拐彎抹角啦！ |
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柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-16T11:27:19.750000+08:00 |
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就是黃
國昌常常講的直球對決，一話到底，講清楚，大家才不會誤解嘛！ |
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柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-16T11:27:19.890000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:27:21.251000+08:00 |
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第一個，針對林思銘的講話，我現在回答。 |
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柯委員建銘 |
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林思銘講話全部倒果為因，我說林思銘，坦白講
，我過去跟他是老朋友，他還滿理性的，他是律師，他是老實人，但是他在參加國民黨以後變
成必須言不由衷，良禽應該擇木而棲，你不要到國民黨，可能人格會比較健全一點。 |
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| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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首先，我
們上禮拜所談的，王鴻薇現在也到了，上禮拜五在你辦公室裡面大家一團和氣，是不是這樣？ |
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0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-16T11:28:04.994000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:28:20.207000+08:00 |
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然後說大家要簽野保法，野保法怎麼還沒有處理，時間都到了，那時候是說傅崐萁還沒簽，我
說如果你們不簽，我們就照程序來處理，因為大家都簽了，就照程序來處理嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.779 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-16T11:28:20.327000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:28:31.619000+08:00 |
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好，給個面子
沒有關係，這禮拜一協商的時候我們先簽掉，不占任何時間，你也點頭如搗蒜，很高興嘛！ |
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| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2025-01-16T11:28:32.840000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:28:34.722000+08:00 |
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已
經宣讀過了，在議場都宣讀過了。 |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2025-01-16T11:28:35.603000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2025-01-16T11:28:39.287000+08:00 |
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昨天為什麼一來的時候把野保法放在第四案？ |
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0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2025-01-16T11:28:39.547000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2025-01-16T11:28:47.325000+08:00 |
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我就悶不吭聲
協 5
了，坦白講，我一直在想我們院長怎麼記憶這麼差呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2025-01-16T11:28:48.986000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2025-01-16T11:28:56.651000+08:00 |
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你講的話，要你簽名，在議場上又是你
宣讀的，怎麼忘記把野保法放在第一案？ |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0.839 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2025-01-16T11:28:59.052000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2025-01-16T11:29:01.774000+08:00 |
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大家一開始就簽了，就往下走，那才會順嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2025-01-16T11:29:01.994000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:29:22.226000+08:00 |
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然後再
談總預算，這個東西我不希望任何人來拗我，拗我，我一定會翻臉的，這個是鐵的事實，都有
朝野協商的，等一下我拿書面給你看，也有錄影、錄音，也有院會，這都很清楚了，如果連這
個都能拗，立法院可以關門了，好不好？ |
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0.551 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2025-01-16T11:29:23.187000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:29:23.567000+08:00 |
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所以，第一點我要講的是這個問題。 |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2025-01-16T11:29:23.647000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:29:41.886000+08:00 |
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林思銘講得更妙
，總預算比較重要，這部分反正你跟傅總召很好，你們私下去溝通、講一講就好了，所以你找
傅總召談一談、簽一簽，比較快！ |
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0.691 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2025-01-16T11:29:42.867000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2025-01-16T11:29:44.087000+08:00 |
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這是朝野協商大家談的嘛！ |
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0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2025-01-16T11:29:44.727000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2025-01-16T11:29:52.651000+08:00 |
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你怎麼把它推給好像傅總召天天
夜奔敵營，聽我指揮的樣子，這對他也不敬吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2025-01-16T11:29:54.552000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2025-01-16T11:30:10.617000+08:00 |
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我跟他是好朋友沒有錯，在他還沒做立委的時
候我就認識他，但是他現在貴為國民黨大黨鞭，是最大黨的黨鞭，我非常尊重他的職務，所以
他罵我，我沒有意見，我罵他，他也沒有意見，因為這是職務的關係嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0.759 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2025-01-16T11:30:11.658000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:30:23.792000+08:00 |
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但是私下朋友是私下
的朋友，公的是公的，這是原則性問題，我可以私下跟他聊天、談話，但是一上場大家就開始
互相叫罵了，那個是立場嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0.768 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2025-01-16T11:30:24.853000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:30:29.256000+08:00 |
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做朋友可以，以後如果我們沒當立委了，大家一定也還是好朋友
，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.517 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
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所以你剛剛的邏輯把朝野協商大家都講好的東西，可以說私下再去談一次，這是以
私來破公，用私人之間有交情，把朝野協商公的部分打破掉，這個邏輯就是不對。 |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2025-01-16T11:30:47.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2025-01-16T11:31:00.862000+08:00 |
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你是律師，
沒關係，我知道你的意思，你是好人，但是你這個邏輯上法院為你的當事人辯護的話，每一場
都會輸！ |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
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| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2025-01-16T11:31:00.862000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2025-01-16T11:31:21.451000+08:00 |
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接下來就是發言時間太冗長，要限制發言時間。 |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0.684 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2025-01-16T11:31:21.451000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2025-01-16T11:32:26.518000+08:00 |
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我昨天就講過了，我也跟韓院長說，除非你
把我打死，全世界國會沒有在限制國會議員發言的次數以及發言時間一次 3 分鐘，黃國昌不要
笑，除了共產國家而已，你是留美的，我告訴你，美國 Filibuster 是說要發言就不能中斷，一中
斷的話就不行，所以美國國會議員使用這個民主程序的時候，他從他的座位走到發言臺，這樣
三進三退就走了一整天，三進三退，因為他要充分的掌握這個遊戲規則，美國國會是這樣的，
然後他一上發言臺以後就開始演講，而且不能帶稿，就一直演講講了一個禮拜，全世界的民主
都是這樣的。 |
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| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2025-01-16T11:32:27.619000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2025-01-16T11:32:35.604000+08:00 |
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全世界民主國家哪一個有限制國會議員講話的次數以及講話的時間一次 3 分鐘？ |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0.879 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2025-01-16T11:32:37.605000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2025-01-16T11:32:49.672000+08:00 |
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只有中國有而已，黃國昌，你是留美的，你剛才笑得實在……你可以反駁我，但是你不要用那
種不屑的表情笑，反而有傷你自己的博士學位。 |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0.648 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2025-01-16T11:32:49.732000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2025-01-16T11:32:59.880000+08:00 |
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我很誠懇地講，院長，我希望你能聽得懂，除非你是阿共啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
0.783 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2025-01-16T11:33:01.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2025-01-16T11:33:01.401000+08:00 |
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是共產黨啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2025-01-16T11:33:02.242000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2025-01-16T11:33:23.253000+08:00 |
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人民大會堂習近
平在開會的時候，大家都是鼓掌而已，那裡還會給你發言，發言都有安排的，民主國家沒有這
一套，所以傅崐萁根本講錯了，結果你們全部都在附和他，你們這樣是全黨都在「跋自殺」，
這樣你們的黨要如何存在嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0.484 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2025-01-16T11:33:23.613000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2025-01-16T11:33:26.454000+08:00 |
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連民主思維都沒有了，連基本的 ABC 都沒有了。 |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2025-01-16T11:33:28.255000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2025-01-16T11:33:48.760000+08:00 |
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所以我在這裡還
是要再三地講，我講過一句話，除非你把我打死，我才不會講話，就像當年監察院長陶百川最
有名的一句話，中華民國第一任監察院長陶百川講過一句話「寧鳴而死、不默而生」，他多厲
害啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
0.585 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2025-01-16T11:33:49.701000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2025-01-16T11:34:28.089000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
在戒嚴時期老蔣的時代，當時的行政院長及央行總裁同時是一個人，但是央行總裁在冬
天燒煤炭的時候，公家有分煤炭給他，但是他煤炭燒的量，陶百川幫他算出來根本燒整年的份
，只有冬天才燒煤炭，你為什麼算起來是燒整年的份，他認為這個是貪污要彈劾行政院長，陶
百川要彈劾行政院長俞鴻鈞，連蔣介石都出來說項，拜託！ |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
0.709 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2025-01-16T11:34:28.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2025-01-16T11:34:49.931000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
他說給我面子，這是在戒嚴時期，
協 6
你給我面子，不要把我的行政院長兼央行總裁這麼重大的位置彈劾掉，那國家怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
0.551 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2025-01-16T11:34:49.931000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:35:02.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
老蔣面
子上過不去，國家怎麼辦，但是陶百川講了一句話「寧鳴而死、不默而生」，陶百川全集我家
裡有，有這麼長，我常常在看陶百川全集。 |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
0.519 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2025-01-16T11:35:03.739000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2025-01-16T11:35:31.488000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
早期監察委員的御史風格是如此，在過去封建時代的御史都有一定的風格，過去也有魏徵，
所以今天要跟你講的是，你不可能限制我發言，說我不能講話講太久，我講的每一句話句句都
跟總預算有關係，所以請大家注意聽。 |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-16T11:35:31.828000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:35:32.148000+08:00 |
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為什麼要這樣講呢？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-16T11:35:34.575000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:35:52.236000+08:00 |
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我要告訴各位，因為大家沒有審查
過總預算，我非常擔憂，我昨天一再、一再分析，現在有三千兩百多個案子，你們說一案一案
來好好討論，我請問你一案要討論幾分鐘？ |
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0.896 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-16T11:35:52.236000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:35:53.716000+08:00 |
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10 分鐘，好不好？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-16T11:35:55.036000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:37:02.180000+08:00 |
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那就要三萬多分鐘，你們除除看
要多少時間，包括未來還要表決，而且這都是要經過一輪、二輪審查的，所以過去像我們就創
設規則，和以前一樣的規則，上禮拜五就講禮拜一收件，禮拜二各部會首長去溝通，溝通有結
果、沒有結果都沒有關係，沒有結果拿回來；有結果撤案的，撤案單拿回來，或是改主決議的
拿回來，但是一天裡面要讓這麼多部會到處亂竄，在立法院跑來跑去，緊張了半天還不知道要
找誰，找召委，召委說沒有；你找總召，總召說你找助理就好了，在那邊跑來跑去，請問你們
各位總召有接見過任何一位部會首長嗎？ |
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| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-16T11:37:03.821000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:37:12.006000+08:00 |
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頂多洪申翰去，看你一次面子，黃國昌說你把書面留
下來就算了，你可以走了，頂多是這樣而已，不然都是助理在接啦！ |
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0.872 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-16T11:37:12.647000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:37:15.629000+08:00 |
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所以院長，這是一個非常
繁雜的事情。 |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-16T11:37:15.629000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:37:27.932000+08:00 |
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過去為了一個事情，費鴻泰說不道歉，總預算不審，人就跑了，跑掉三天，這有
多急欸！ |
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| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-16T11:37:27.932000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:37:50.226000+08:00 |
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我是要把這個經驗告訴大家，這個情形過去也不是這樣的制度，這種制度是一個不好
的創設，但是在 2016 年民進黨執政以後，蘇嘉全院長認為既然我們完全執政，所以給很多人特
別通融，好啊！ |
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| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-16T11:37:52.688000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:38:15.135000+08:00 |
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請各部會再去溝通，於是各部會再去溝通，回來我們再來看溝通結果，該撤案
的撤案，該改主決議的改主決議，這樣量就會少了；但是少了以後，還是有一、兩千案，還要
再第二輪，一直撤。 |
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| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-16T11:38:16.656000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:38:44.515000+08:00 |
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黃國昌委員曾經坐在這裡，黃國昌委員在時代力量的時候，為了前瞻，那
時候國民黨在委員會占領主席臺、潑水，在院會也是一樣，不讓前瞻走下去，說前瞻是花掉子
孫的錢，現在大家都要來搶前瞻。 |
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0.848 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-16T11:38:46.176000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:39:13.767000+08:00 |
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所以我今天在講的就是，那時候蘇嘉全院長還特別創設朝野
協商，讓黃國昌一個人把部會找來兩個鐘頭讓他質詢，就是給他公然羞辱，這並不是民進黨錯
誤，而是國民黨占領主席臺，不讓人家發言，但是還可以給你黃國昌在那邊咆哮一整天，每一
個人讓你罵得狗血淋頭，這個影片都有啊！ |
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0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-16T11:39:15.128000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:39:22.571000+08:00 |
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再來是國民黨，你小偷、犯錯的人，我們還可以給
你更新的機會，你可以再來打警察？ |
| transcript.gazette[139].quality |
0.788 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-16T11:39:24.211000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[140].end |
2025-01-16T11:39:31.574000+08:00 |
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這個很冒名其妙，但是民進黨過半，為了和諧就算了。 |
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0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2025-01-16T11:39:32.937000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:40:28.055000+08:00 |
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周萬來秘書長你應該記得，過去王院長在的時候，我們朝小野大的時候，那是國民黨多數的
時候，從來沒有說先來協商的，就是大家坐下來，現在第一組內政就開始從第一個案子談，我
就坐在那裡，全程我都參加的，那時候的主計總處有一個叫蔡明星，現在已經過世了，他專門
在叫人、換組，是他在控制這個現場，至少要坐三個禮拜，王院長年紀這麼大，還要坐三個禮
拜，從早上坐到晚上 12 點，因為要一直溝通、一直溝通，而且要很快速溝通，馬上找到重點，
可以答應的就答應，不能答應就表決，是這樣走過來的啦！ |
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| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-16T11:40:29.176000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:40:41.623000+08:00 |
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我足足坐了三個禮拜，有時候坐一
個月，所以我們一直拜託大家總預算趕快出委員會，我們趕快來協商，國民黨現在是壓到最後
一天才出委員會，讓你協商的時間也沒有。 |
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| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-16T11:40:42.623000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:41:22.552000+08:00 |
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協 7
韓院長，以上講的這些，我希望你能夠聽下去，這和總預算絕對有關係，因為你當過立委，
但你沒當過黨鞭，你也沒有參加過協商，你甚至也沒有來執行，但那些就是俱往矣，可是你今
天當院長，你必須要冷靜思考，你要如何當好一個院長，至少你應該要把這些基本的常識，你
要 control，你才能夠幫忙我們一起說服在野黨大家來好好談，不是你在那邊不讓我講話、讓我
跳過去，這不對的。 |
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| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-16T11:41:24.132000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:41:27.993000+08:00 |
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好，接下來我講，黃國昌現在突然抬頭，好像不太耐煩我，我趕快結束黃國昌的問題，好不
好？ |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2025-01-16T11:41:28.273000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[145].end |
2025-01-16T11:42:01.921000+08:00 |
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黃委員說那天有簽了嘛，我們也曾經簽了，就是禮拜五要公平會同意權行使也簽了，再往
前也簽了野保法，都是簽的，你現在問我說到底民進黨到底是……公平會不重要嗎？ |
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0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-16T11:42:01.921000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[146].end |
2025-01-16T11:42:02.621000+08:00 |
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為什麼要
野保法？ |
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0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2025-01-16T11:42:03.502000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[147].end |
2025-01-16T11:42:30.027000+08:00 |
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兩個都是簽過，簽過就要履行啊，禮拜五要公平會的時候，你野保……今天大家講好
了，昨天就應該簽好，馬上唸過去就……其實就是五個條文而已，是一個東西而已，有關於獸
鋏的問題而已，把它唸過去幾分鐘唸完了，然後再來公平會同意權行使，這兩個有衝突嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[147].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2025-01-16T11:42:30.027000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[148].end |
2025-01-16T11:42:43.637000+08:00 |
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黃
國昌你不要每次講到似是而非的，然後你一天沒講「嘐潲」好像受不了一樣，這麼簡單的事情
，你在我面前也要跟我誆這個，昨天你在那邊大小聲，也說民進黨在那裡鬧場，昨天為什麼呢
？ |
| transcript.gazette[148].quality |
0.72 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[149].start |
2025-01-16T11:42:43.657000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[149].end |
2025-01-16T11:43:00.181000+08:00 |
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然後你又講總預算比較重要，好，我也知道總預算比較重要，這是多說的嘛！ |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2025-01-16T11:43:01.982000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[150].end |
2025-01-16T11:43:11.607000+08:00 |
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然後說你要抗
議民進黨，意思是說民進黨在協商以前就先罵你賣國、抹紅，黃國昌委員，罵你賣國太客氣，
你要亡國了啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[150].quality |
0.771 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[151].start |
2025-01-16T11:43:19.967000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[151].end |
2025-01-16T11:43:35.180000+08:00 |
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那是太客氣，那是吳思瑤太客氣，我絕對說你亡國、賣臺，你們現在這樣作法
根本是什麼作法，全臺灣人都知道啊，照你現在這樣搞下去的話，國民黨根本不想執政嘛！ |
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0.712 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2025-01-16T11:43:36.321000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[152].end |
2025-01-16T11:43:42.362000+08:00 |
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所
有的法案都毀憲亂政嘛、為所欲為嘛、讓臺灣亂嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[152].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[153].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[153].start |
2025-01-16T11:43:42.522000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[153].end |
2025-01-16T11:43:47.806000+08:00 |
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然後引進，和中國配合，和平解放臺灣嘛
！ |
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0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[154].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[154].start |
2025-01-16T11:43:47.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[154].end |
2025-01-16T11:43:51.930000+08:00 |
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這樣的結果……好。 |
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0.167 |
| transcript.gazette[155].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[155].start |
2025-01-16T11:43:51.930000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[155].end |
2025-01-16T11:43:53.851000+08:00 |
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現場只有我一個人在看你，全部都沒有人在…… |
| transcript.gazette[155].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[156].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[156].start |
2025-01-16T11:43:54.572000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[156].end |
2025-01-16T11:43:55.252000+08:00 |
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沒關係，我說給空氣聽。 |
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0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[157].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[157].start |
2025-01-16T11:43:57.454000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T11:44:02.078000+08:00 |
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我知道，因為這個也會講到你們大家痛處啦，我講給空氣聽都沒有關係，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[157].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[158].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[158].start |
2025-01-16T11:44:02.918000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[158].end |
2025-01-16T11:44:03.659000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].text |
但
是你要反對的話，請聽我講完。 |
| transcript.gazette[158].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[159].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[159].start |
2025-01-16T11:44:06.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[159].end |
2025-01-16T11:44:17.279000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].text |
好，然後其實這個很清楚，你們對於你知道什麼機密預算，你
說國防的部分你的提法是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[159].quality |
0.811 |
| transcript.gazette[160].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[160].start |
2025-01-16T11:44:17.279000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[160].end |
2025-01-16T11:44:35.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].text |
來，我唸給你聽，你說通刪的計畫，你只是寫軍事裝備及設施
，通刪 3%，我昨天就有講過，機密預算從來不刪的，機密預算從來要排除的，也不可能在這裡
開，潛艦是不是軍事設備？ |
| transcript.gazette[160].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[161].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[161].start |
2025-01-16T11:44:35.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[161].end |
2025-01-16T11:44:36.237000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].text |
當然是啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[161].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[162].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[162].start |
2025-01-16T11:44:36.377000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[162].end |
2025-01-16T11:44:37.438000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].text |
戰機維修是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[162].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[163].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[163].start |
2025-01-16T11:44:38.320000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[163].end |
2025-01-16T11:44:38.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].text |
當然是啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[163].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[164].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[164].start |
2025-01-16T11:44:39.942000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[164].end |
2025-01-16T11:44:41.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].text |
無人機要擴建，是不是設
備？ |
| transcript.gazette[164].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[165].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[165].start |
2025-01-16T11:44:41.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[165].end |
2025-01-16T11:44:41.684000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].text |
當然是啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[165].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[166].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[166].start |
2025-01-16T11:44:42.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[166].end |
2025-01-16T11:44:49.701000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].text |
那些都是機密預算啊，當然排除啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[166].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[167].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[167].start |
2025-01-16T11:44:50.422000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[167].end |
2025-01-16T11:45:06.881000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].text |
也不可能在這裡，你用這個來誆我，所以
我常常講你，說事情不曾誠懇過，都是用假然後來騙，天天活在說謊的世界裡面，難道你不會
覺得你很痛苦嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[167].quality |
0.783 |
| transcript.gazette[168].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[168].start |
2025-01-16T11:45:08.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[168].end |
2025-01-16T11:45:09.559000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].text |
你這樣子活著有什麼意義？ |
| transcript.gazette[168].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[169].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[169].start |
2025-01-16T11:45:10.120000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[169].end |
2025-01-16T11:45:11.321000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].text |
一天沒講「嘐潲」晚上睡不著嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[169].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[170].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[170].start |
2025-01-16T11:45:12.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[170].end |
2025-01-16T11:45:14.704000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].text |
大家都很誠懇
才是一個典範嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[170].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[171].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[171].start |
2025-01-16T11:45:16.385000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[171].end |
2025-01-16T11:46:03.566000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].text |
你在時代力量當立法委員的時候，我曾經在議場裡面跟你講過一句話，我相
協 8
信你已經很刻骨銘心了，我說黃國昌，我承認你很認真，但是你很認真作秀抹黑收割，你很可
惜，318 以後很多學生、青年學子追逐你，你應建立你的問政典範，往良善的面去做，結果你整
天講「嘐潲」，到今天你還在說柯文哲、抗議司法，這天大的笑話，你居然還有臉去說柯文哲
是司法迫害，你剩下的是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[171].quality |
0.815 |
| transcript.gazette[172].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[172].start |
2025-01-16T11:46:03.566000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[172].end |
2025-01-16T11:46:07.129000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].text |
連小草都會跑掉，你會當一個空的黨主席…… |
| transcript.gazette[172].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[173].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[173].start |
2025-01-16T11:46:08.350000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[173].end |
2025-01-16T11:46:08.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].text |
聚焦、聚焦。 |
| transcript.gazette[173].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[174].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[174].start |
2025-01-16T11:46:09.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[174].end |
2025-01-16T11:46:10.391000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].text |
你已經講了 29分鐘，我現在還沒看到焦。 |
| transcript.gazette[174].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[175].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[175].start |
2025-01-16T11:46:10.592000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[175].end |
2025-01-16T11:46:11.732000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].text |
焦就在這裡，㶵就是機密預算的問題，然後…… |
| transcript.gazette[175].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[176].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[176].start |
2025-01-16T11:46:11.732000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[176].end |
2025-01-16T11:46:15.537667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].text |
都燒焦了。 |
| transcript.gazette[176].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[177].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[177].start |
2025-01-16T11:46:15.537667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[177].end |
2025-01-16T11:46:19.343333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].text |
沒關係，我回答…… |
| transcript.gazette[177].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[178].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[178].start |
2025-01-16T11:46:19.343333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[178].end |
2025-01-16T11:46:23.149000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].text |
都被你燒焦了。 |
| transcript.gazette[178].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[179].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[179].start |
2025-01-16T11:46:23.149000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[179].end |
2025-01-16T11:46:39.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].text |
所以我今天跟各位講，國民黨對於國防預算，他們有在變魔術，現在又變成說刪 2億
，凍 18 億，還是刪啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[179].quality |
0.872 |
| transcript.gazette[180].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[180].start |
2025-01-16T11:46:40.917000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[180].end |
2025-01-16T11:46:42.779000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].text |
凍的時候，是不是要國民黨多數才能夠解凍？ |
| transcript.gazette[180].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[181].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[181].start |
2025-01-16T11:46:43.961000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[181].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[181].end |
2025-01-16T11:46:44.401000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[181].text |
這白講的嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[181].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[182].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[182].start |
2025-01-16T11:46:44.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[182].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[182].end |
2025-01-16T11:47:05.941000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[182].text |
所以根本和
刪 20 億一樣的意思，所以大家不要在這裡變魔術，你要變魔術，我也奉陪，沒有關係，你要凍
就凍，我們未來在解凍的時候再來想辦法，我們也必須面對，因為我們是少數黨，我們必須認
了。 |
| transcript.gazette[182].quality |
0.859 |
| transcript.gazette[183].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[183].start |
2025-01-16T11:47:06.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[183].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[183].end |
2025-01-16T11:47:37.439000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[183].text |
所以我昨天說，問題就是我們只有 51 個，我們對於你們要做什麼事情絕對沒有意見，也沒
有還擊的力量，你要開會到周末，禮拜六、禮拜天開，我也同意；你講要統刪多少數字，我也
同意；你要統刪加一些特別刪除，混合在一起，我也同意；包含黃國昌說就直接表決，我也同
意。 |
| transcript.gazette[183].quality |
0.804 |
| transcript.gazette[184].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[184].start |
2025-01-16T11:47:39.328000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[184].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[184].end |
2025-01-16T11:47:44.533000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[184].text |
黃國昌竟然講是我要直接表決，是你講要直接表決，你先提出來的嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[184].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[185].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[185].start |
2025-01-16T11:47:45.374000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[185].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[185].end |
2025-01-16T11:47:46.835000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[185].text |
你 modify 這個事情
嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[185].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[186].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[186].start |
2025-01-16T11:47:48.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[186].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[186].end |
2025-01-16T11:47:54.722000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[186].text |
你要提出第三種方式──直接表決，我當然也同意，我不能同意可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[186].quality |
0.759 |
| transcript.gazette[187].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[187].start |
2025-01-16T11:47:54.722000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[187].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[187].end |
2025-01-16T11:48:09.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[187].text |
我怕他要打架，
舉手舉輸他，結果你昨天在這裡，現在所有政府官員都在這裡，全國老百姓都在看，昨天是你
講的，你說來直接表決，我同意；他現在凹說是我要直接表決…… |
| transcript.gazette[187].quality |
0.582 |
| transcript.gazette[188].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[188].start |
2025-01-16T11:48:09.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[188].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[188].end |
2025-01-16T11:48:10.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[188].text |
還在講？ |
| transcript.gazette[188].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[189].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[189].start |
2025-01-16T11:48:09.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[189].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[189].end |
2025-01-16T11:48:12.719000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[189].text |
你開會好了啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[189].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[190].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[190].start |
2025-01-16T11:48:12.959000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[190].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[190].end |
2025-01-16T11:48:16.582000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[190].text |
你進來剛剛好適合，最後結論再告訴你啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[190].quality |
0.588 |
| transcript.gazette[191].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[191].start |
2025-01-16T11:48:17.983000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[191].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[191].end |
2025-01-16T11:48:23.407000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[191].text |
所以我今天要講，各部會昨天跟他們說過了，大家都是好朋友，做事情、討論事情要誠懇。 |
| transcript.gazette[191].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[192].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[192].start |
2025-01-16T11:48:25.906000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[192].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[192].end |
2025-01-16T11:48:32.874000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[192].text |
有政黨立場沒關係，政府的立場是，你要罵我都沒關係，因為你遵守政黨的立場。 |
| transcript.gazette[192].quality |
0.375 |
| transcript.gazette[193].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[193].start |
2025-01-16T11:48:32.874000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[193].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[193].end |
2025-01-16T11:48:33.874000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[193].text |
你罵人，誰罵你啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[193].quality |
0.286 |
| transcript.gazette[194].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[194].start |
2025-01-16T11:48:33.014000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[194].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[194].end |
2025-01-16T11:48:37.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[194].text |
你罵我說很老了、「老番顛」，不趕快退休還在這裡講故事。 |
| transcript.gazette[194].quality |
0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[195].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[195].start |
2025-01-16T11:48:37.659000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[195].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[195].end |
2025-01-16T11:48:52.476000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[195].text |
好，都沒有關係，你要
做任何對我人格的屈辱都沒有關係，但是我們要講真話，就是講過的話，大家要信守承諾，否
則的話，大家會翻臉的，因為你是黨鞭嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[195].quality |
0.836 |
| transcript.gazette[196].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[196].start |
2025-01-16T11:48:52.637000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[196].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[196].end |
2025-01-16T11:48:57.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[196].text |
你罵我才是理所當然，你如果說我好話，你怎麼可
能做黨鞭。 |
| transcript.gazette[196].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[197].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[197].start |
2025-01-16T11:48:58.364000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[197].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[197].end |
2025-01-16T11:49:16.636000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[197].text |
我當黨鞭講國民黨好話，人家早就叫我下臺了；當黨鞭也不是來在這裡做好人好事
代表，所以今天大家有立場，你再注意一下，我要回答王鴻薇，我比較喜歡王鴻薇昨天的挑戰
。 |
| transcript.gazette[197].quality |
0.775 |
| transcript.gazette[198].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[198].start |
2025-01-16T11:49:16.636000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[198].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[198].end |
2025-01-16T11:49:17.636000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[198].text |
你一直講話耶！ |
| transcript.gazette[198].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[199].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[199].start |
2025-01-16T11:49:17.636000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[199].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[199].end |
2025-01-16T11:49:18.636000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[199].text |
對，你昨天……
協 9好啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[199].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[200].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[200].start |
2025-01-16T11:49:18.636000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[200].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[200].end |
2025-01-16T11:49:19.636000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[200].text |
你要讓我講話。 |
| transcript.gazette[200].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[201].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[201].start |
2025-01-16T11:49:16.636000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[201].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[201].end |
2025-01-16T11:49:18.456000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[201].text |
我昨天講說…… |
| transcript.gazette[201].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[202].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[202].start |
2025-01-16T11:49:18.456000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[202].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[202].end |
2025-01-16T11:49:19.456000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[202].text |
我會講很多…… |
| transcript.gazette[202].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[203].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[203].start |
2025-01-16T11:49:18.456000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[203].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[203].end |
2025-01-16T11:49:19.936000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[203].text |
沒關係，我講完…… |
| transcript.gazette[203].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[204].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[204].start |
2025-01-16T11:49:20.317000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[204].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[204].end |
2025-01-16T11:49:34.359000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[204].text |
我再講一個最大的重點，昨天你也在場、他也在場，昨天施明德基金會 40 週年對不
對？ |
| transcript.gazette[204].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[205].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[205].start |
2025-01-16T11:49:34.359000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[205].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[205].end |
2025-01-16T11:49:44.603000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[205].text |
我們幫它辦慶生會，裡面藍綠各黨都有，聯合報黃年也在，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[205].quality |
0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[206].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[206].start |
2025-01-16T11:49:44.603000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[206].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[206].end |
2025-01-16T11:49:51.146000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[206].text |
余範英也在，還有誰
？ |
| transcript.gazette[206].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[207].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[207].start |
2025-01-16T11:49:51.146000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[207].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[207].end |
2025-01-16T11:50:29.248000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[207].text |
王健壯也在，各路英雄好漢都在，所以說很特別的是，有一個叫作李念祖也在，李念祖就坐
在我們同一桌對面，但是我最近對於李念祖的憲法看法提出很嚴厲的評判，包括挑戰他，也要
挑戰蘇永欽，我說施明德講的藍綠和解、朝野和解就是說，藍綠雖然不同立場，大家能夠坐下
來談話。 |
| transcript.gazette[207].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[208].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[208].start |
2025-01-16T11:50:29.248000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[208].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[208].end |
2025-01-16T11:50:38.178000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[208].text |
我知道李念祖的立場和我們不一樣，我知道韓院長的立場也和我們不一樣，可是我們
還是能夠坐下來談話，政治立場是一回事嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[208].quality |
0.755 |
| transcript.gazette[209].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[209].start |
2025-01-16T11:50:38.478000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[209].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[209].end |
2025-01-16T11:50:39.199000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[209].text |
我們都彼此尊重。 |
| transcript.gazette[209].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[210].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[210].start |
2025-01-16T11:50:40.627000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[210].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[210].end |
2025-01-16T11:50:46.729000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[210].text |
結果我講這個東西……但是昨天有一個最重要的事情是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[210].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[211].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[211].start |
2025-01-16T11:50:46.729000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[211].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[211].end |
2025-01-16T11:50:59.512000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[211].text |
是說我要完成蔣介石、蔣經國
及施明德的遺志，他們是絕對反共的，所以我要大罷免，王鴻薇就跳起來問今天講總預算和大
罷免有什麼關係？ |
| transcript.gazette[211].quality |
0.702 |
| transcript.gazette[212].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[212].start |
2025-01-16T11:50:59.512000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[212].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[212].end |
2025-01-16T11:51:07.854000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[212].text |
我告訴你關係在這裡，因為你提了一個主決議，這個決議現在網路都在傳，
因為你們太心虛了，你們怕被罷免。 |
| transcript.gazette[212].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[213].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[213].start |
2025-01-16T11:51:07.854000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[213].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[213].end |
2025-01-16T11:51:10.780333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[213].text |
很好，這個主決議很好…… |
| transcript.gazette[213].quality |
0.222 |
| transcript.gazette[214].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[214].start |
2025-01-16T11:51:10.780333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[214].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[214].end |
2025-01-16T11:51:13.706667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[214].text |
你聽我講完，你等一下再講，因為你太心虛。 |
| transcript.gazette[214].quality |
0.235 |
| transcript.gazette[215].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[215].start |
2025-01-16T11:51:13.706667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[215].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[215].end |
2025-01-16T11:51:16.633000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[215].text |
完全合法合規。 |
| transcript.gazette[215].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[216].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[216].start |
2025-01-16T11:51:16.633000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[216].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[216].end |
2025-01-16T11:51:19.034000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[216].text |
網路都在傳，所以我講…… |
| transcript.gazette[216].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[217].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[217].start |
2025-01-16T11:51:19.034000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[217].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[217].end |
2025-01-16T11:51:21.060800+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[217].text |
周軒傳的啊！不是。 |
| transcript.gazette[217].quality |
0.286 |
| transcript.gazette[218].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[218].start |
2025-01-16T11:51:21.060800+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[218].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[218].end |
2025-01-16T11:51:23.087600+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[218].text |
是你的辦公室主任周軒傳的啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[218].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[219].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[219].start |
2025-01-16T11:51:23.087600+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[219].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[219].end |
2025-01-16T11:51:25.114400+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[219].text |
現在坐在後面，周軒傳的啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[219].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[220].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[220].start |
2025-01-16T11:51:25.114400+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[220].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[220].end |
2025-01-16T11:51:27.141200+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[220].text |
是你的辦公室主任周軒
傳的啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[220].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[221].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[221].start |
2025-01-16T11:51:27.141200+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[221].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[221].end |
2025-01-16T11:51:29.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[221].text |
臺灣有千百個周軒，幾萬個周軒。 |
| transcript.gazette[221].quality |
0.077 |
| transcript.gazette[222].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[222].start |
2025-01-16T11:51:29.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[222].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[222].end |
2025-01-16T11:51:30.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[222].text |
來、來、來，周軒傳的啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[222].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[223].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[223].start |
2025-01-16T11:51:31.711000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[223].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[223].end |
2025-01-16T11:51:42.304000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[223].text |
來、來、來，承認一下，柯建銘總召辦公室主任周軒傳的
，專門來黑我們的，沒關係，但是這個主決議非常好，完全合法，哪一點不合法？ |
| transcript.gazette[223].quality |
0.922 |
| transcript.gazette[224].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[224].start |
2025-01-16T11:51:42.304000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[224].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[224].end |
2025-01-16T11:51:43.304000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[224].text |
你讓我講完好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[224].quality |
0.125 |
| transcript.gazette[225].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[225].start |
2025-01-16T11:51:42.644000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[225].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[225].end |
2025-01-16T11:51:44.246000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[225].text |
好，你看哪一點不合法，你講。 |
| transcript.gazette[225].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[226].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[226].start |
2025-01-16T11:51:44.246000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[226].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[226].end |
2025-01-16T11:51:44.566000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[226].text |
我講完，你再講。 |
| transcript.gazette[226].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[227].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[227].start |
2025-01-16T11:51:44.566000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[227].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[227].end |
2025-01-16T11:51:46.188000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[227].text |
完全合法，依法行政。 |
| transcript.gazette[227].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[228].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[228].start |
2025-01-16T11:51:46.188000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[228].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[228].end |
2025-01-16T11:51:48.831000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[228].text |
你這樣做很好，我替你廣為宣傳好不好？好。協 10 |
| transcript.gazette[228].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[229].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[229].start |
2025-01-16T11:51:49.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[229].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[229].end |
2025-01-16T11:52:37.332000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[229].text |
天天幫你傳，全臺灣有千百萬個周軒啦，周軒只是一個小周軒而已，你這樣很好，我
唸給大家聽，這個主決議寫什麼，國民黨現在知道我們要罷免，我一直聽你講罷免，大家說我
神經病，要一罷、二罷，連院長都要罷，還要三罷，連貪污的縣市首長都要罷，大家都說我是
神經病，根本都我自己在唱獨腳戲，可是大家要了解，這是民意在決定的，不是我講的，沒有
一個人可以決定要不要罷免，也沒有一個黨可以決定要不要罷免，同時也沒有一個人或一個黨
可以阻止罷免，因為這是民意。 |
| transcript.gazette[229].quality |
0.776 |
| transcript.gazette[230].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[230].start |
2025-01-16T11:52:40.654000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[230].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[230].end |
2025-01-16T11:52:47.598000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[230].text |
王鴻薇是分區立委，因為他平常太盡忠國民黨，變成仇恨值太
高，他很怕被罷免，於是他在今天要討論的 114年中央政府總預算裡面，內政部…… |
| transcript.gazette[230].quality |
0.455 |
| transcript.gazette[231].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[231].start |
2025-01-16T11:52:50.320000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[231].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[231].end |
2025-01-16T11:52:54.243000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[231].text |
老柯，你就下來選一次嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[231].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[232].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[232].start |
2025-01-16T11:52:54.243000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[232].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[232].end |
2025-01-16T11:52:55.243000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[232].text |
你不要講話。 |
| transcript.gazette[232].quality |
0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[233].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[233].start |
2025-01-16T11:52:55.184000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[233].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[233].end |
2025-01-16T11:52:56.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[233].text |
你就下來選區域嘛…… |
| transcript.gazette[233].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[234].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[234].start |
2025-01-16T11:52:56.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[234].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[234].end |
2025-01-16T11:52:57.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[234].text |
區域我都選過了。 |
| transcript.gazette[234].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[235].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[235].start |
2025-01-16T11:52:57.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[235].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[235].end |
2025-01-16T11:52:58.807000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[235].text |
就下來選一次嘛…… |
| transcript.gazette[235].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[236].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[236].start |
2025-01-16T11:52:58.807000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[236].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[236].end |
2025-01-16T11:52:59.807000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[236].text |
你等一下，我等一下再…… |
| transcript.gazette[236].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[237].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[237].start |
2025-01-16T11:52:59.728000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[237].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[237].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:00.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[237].text |
選一次才會被罷免嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[237].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[238].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[238].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:00.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[238].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[238].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:01.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[238].text |
你聽我講話好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[238].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[239].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[239].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:01.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[239].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[239].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:02.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[239].text |
你不要插嘴！ |
| transcript.gazette[239].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[240].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[240].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:01.970000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[240].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[240].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:07.715000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[240].text |
你講了一個小時，不讓人家講，這個叫民主？ |
| transcript.gazette[240].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[241].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[241].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:07.715000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[241].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[241].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:08.715000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[241].text |
重點就在這裡，我要講到重點了。 |
| transcript.gazette[241].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[242].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[242].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:08.376000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[242].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[242].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:10.958000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[242].text |
主席裁示你也不聽，這個叫民主？ |
| transcript.gazette[242].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[243].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[243].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:11.158000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[243].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[243].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:12.479000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[243].text |
民主就是…… |
| transcript.gazette[243].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[244].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[244].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:12.639000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[244].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[244].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:14.021000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[244].text |
民主就是大家都聽你講話叫民主？ |
| transcript.gazette[244].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[245].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[245].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:14.021000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[245].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[245].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:16.222000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[245].text |
你是在大聲什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[245].quality |
0.286 |
| transcript.gazette[246].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[246].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:16.222000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[246].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[246].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:16.243000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[246].text |
你是要怎樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[246].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[247].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[247].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:16.243000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[247].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[247].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:19.056000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[247].text |
你聽我說完你再說啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[247].quality |
0.111 |
| transcript.gazette[248].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[248].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:19.056000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[248].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[248].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:19.377000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[248].text |
為什麼我們都要聽你說話？ |
| transcript.gazette[248].quality |
0.364 |
| transcript.gazette[249].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[249].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:19.377000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[249].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[249].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:20.377000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[249].text |
是要從早上聽到下午是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[249].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[250].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[250].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:20.377000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[250].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[250].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:21.377000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[250].text |
現在不能講重點嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[250].quality |
0.125 |
| transcript.gazette[251].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[251].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:19.397000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[251].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[251].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:22.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[251].text |
就你只能說話而已，大家都不要講，這樣叫民主啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[251].quality |
0.55 |
| transcript.gazette[252].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[252].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:22.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[252].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[252].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:23.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[252].text |
我講完…… |
| transcript.gazette[252].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[253].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[253].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:22.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[253].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[253].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:23.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[253].text |
這就是民進黨的民主，別人都不能講話，這叫民主？ |
| transcript.gazette[253].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[254].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[254].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:23.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[254].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[254].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:24.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[254].text |
我講一個鐘頭，你也講一個鐘頭都沒關係…… |
| transcript.gazette[254].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[255].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[255].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:24.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[255].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[255].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:25.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[255].text |
丟人現眼！ |
| transcript.gazette[255].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[256].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[256].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:25.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[256].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[256].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:26.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[256].text |
這樣叫民主？ |
| transcript.gazette[256].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[257].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[257].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:26.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[257].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[257].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:27.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[257].text |
我說你如果不給我講話，你乾脆把我打死啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[257].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[258].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[258].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:24.081000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[258].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[258].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:24.581000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[258].text |
你這樣叫民主？ |
| transcript.gazette[258].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[259].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[259].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:24.661000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[259].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[259].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:43.318000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[259].text |
我跟你說啦，不值得啦，不值得去動你啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[259].quality |
0.438 |
| transcript.gazette[260].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[260].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:43.458000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[260].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[260].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:43.938000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[260].text |
我現在跟你講，你沒有那
個價值啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[260].quality |
0.643 |
| transcript.gazette[261].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[261].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:44.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[261].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[261].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:44.559000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[261].text |
我跟你講。 |
| transcript.gazette[261].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[262].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[262].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:44.559000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[262].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[262].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:45.559000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[262].text |
我跟你講…… |
| transcript.gazette[262].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[263].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[263].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:44.559000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[263].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[263].end |
2025-01-16T11:53:45.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[263].text |
我最後講 1分鐘就好了，他們怕了。 |
| transcript.gazette[263].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[264].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[264].start |
2025-01-16T11:53:45.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[264].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[264].end |
2025-01-16T11:54:23.646000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[264].text |
既然他這樣講，我講到總預算，總預算提案在這
裡，王鴻薇提案的嘛，有關中選會的業務費用，辦選務的業務費用 678 萬 2,000 元，他凍結一半
，要中選會所有表格重新換過，換日期，而且在一個月內提出報告才可以動支。 |
| transcript.gazette[264].quality |
0.798 |
| transcript.gazette[265].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[265].start |
2025-01-16T11:54:27.189000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[265].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[265].end |
2025-01-16T11:54:29.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[265].text |
請問現在的中
選會規定是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[265].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[266].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[266].start |
2025-01-16T11:54:29.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[266].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[266].end |
2025-01-16T11:54:39.057000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[266].text |
要罷免，表格就在那裡，隨時可以去 download，現在很多人 download 要罷免
，所以王鴻薇想到這一招說要重新用新的表格…… |
| transcript.gazette[266].quality |
0.579 |
| transcript.gazette[267].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[267].start |
2025-01-16T11:54:39.057000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[267].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[267].end |
2025-01-16T11:54:40.057000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[267].text |
高招對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[267].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[268].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[268].start |
2025-01-16T11:54:40.057000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[268].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[268].end |
2025-01-16T11:54:41.057000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[268].text |
你很生氣？ |
| transcript.gazette[268].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[269].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[269].start |
2025-01-16T11:54:40.118000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[269].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[269].end |
2025-01-16T11:54:42.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[269].text |
要用新的表格再來解凍。 |
| transcript.gazette[269].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[270].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[270].start |
2025-01-16T11:54:42.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[270].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[270].end |
2025-01-16T11:54:45.463000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[270].text |
所以這就是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[270].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[271].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[271].start |
2025-01-16T11:54:45.463000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[271].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[271].end |
2025-01-16T11:54:48.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[271].text |
他太心虛了，怕被罷免，就是這樣…… |
| transcript.gazette[271].quality |
0.538 |
| transcript.gazette[272].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[272].start |
2025-01-16T11:54:49.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[272].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[272].end |
2025-01-16T11:54:56.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[272].text |
我幫你宣傳，王鴻薇很歡迎大家來幫忙宣傳，他很怕被罷免…… |
| transcript.gazette[272].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[273].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[273].start |
2025-01-16T11:54:57.436000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[273].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[273].end |
2025-01-16T11:54:59.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[273].text |
這就是總預算，哪一點跟總預算沒有關係？ |
| transcript.gazette[273].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[274].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[274].start |
2025-01-16T11:54:59.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[274].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[274].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:01.781000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[274].text |
韓院長，你評個理，我以上所談就是你國
民黨最怕的嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[274].quality |
0.273 |
| transcript.gazette[275].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[275].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:01.781000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[275].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[275].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:02.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[275].text |
1分鐘，1分鐘到了。 |
| transcript.gazette[275].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[276].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[276].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:02.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[276].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[276].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:03.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[276].text |
黃國昌根本不怕…… |
| transcript.gazette[276].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[277].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[277].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:03.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[277].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[277].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:04.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[277].text |
1分鐘到了。 |
| transcript.gazette[277].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[278].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[278].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:04.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[278].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[278].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:05.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[278].text |
不分區根本不怕。 |
| transcript.gazette[278].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[279].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[279].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:05.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[279].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[279].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:06.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[279].text |
1分鐘到了。 |
| transcript.gazette[279].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[280].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[280].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:06.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[280].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[280].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:07.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[280].text |
傅崐萁啊…… |
| transcript.gazette[280].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[281].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[281].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:02.462000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[281].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[281].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:02.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[281].text |
1分鐘到了。 |
| transcript.gazette[281].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[282].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[282].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:02.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[282].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[282].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:04.859278+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[282].text |
你也會被罷免的啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[282].quality |
0.125 |
| transcript.gazette[283].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[283].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:04.859278+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[283].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[283].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:06.876556+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[283].text |
1分鐘到了。 |
| transcript.gazette[283].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[284].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[284].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:06.876556+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[284].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[284].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:08.893833+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[284].text |
韓院長，你也會被罷免的啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[284].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[285].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[285].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:08.893833+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[285].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[285].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:10.911111+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[285].text |
1分鐘到了。 |
| transcript.gazette[285].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[286].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[286].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:10.911111+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[286].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[286].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:12.928389+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[286].text |
你們每一個人在違背臺灣利益…… |
| transcript.gazette[286].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[287].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[287].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:12.928389+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[287].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[287].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:14.945667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[287].text |
1分鐘到了。 |
| transcript.gazette[287].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[288].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[288].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:14.945667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[288].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[288].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:16.962944+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[288].text |
要把臺灣出賣…… |
| transcript.gazette[288].quality |
0.167 |
| transcript.gazette[289].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[289].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:16.962944+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[289].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[289].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:18.980222+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[289].text |
1分鐘到了。 |
| transcript.gazette[289].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[290].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[290].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:18.980222+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[290].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[290].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:20.997500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[290].text |
把全國人民的財產一瞬間變零…… |
| transcript.gazette[290].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[291].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[291].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:20.997500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[291].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[291].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:23.014778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[291].text |
1分鐘到了。 |
| transcript.gazette[291].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[292].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[292].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:23.014778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[292].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[292].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:25.032056+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[292].text |
沒有罷免的人不是臺灣人啦…… |
| transcript.gazette[292].quality |
0.083 |
| transcript.gazette[293].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[293].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:25.032056+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[293].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[293].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:27.049333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[293].text |
1分鐘到了沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[293].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[294].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[294].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:27.049333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[294].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[294].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:29.066611+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[294].text |
我跟你講。 |
| transcript.gazette[294].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[295].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[295].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:29.066611+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[295].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[295].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:31.083889+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[295].text |
1分鐘到了沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[295].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[296].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[296].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:31.083889+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[296].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[296].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:33.101167+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[296].text |
好，柯總召，謝謝你啦。協 12好！ |
| transcript.gazette[296].quality |
0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[297].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[297].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:33.101167+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[297].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[297].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:35.118444+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[297].text |
換思瑤說一下，來。 |
| transcript.gazette[297].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[298].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[298].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:35.118444+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[298].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[298].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:37.135722+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[298].text |
你是主席嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[298].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[299].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[299].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:37.135722+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[299].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[299].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:39.153000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[299].text |
你變主席了喔？ |
| transcript.gazette[299].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[300].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[300].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:39.153000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[300].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[300].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:40.658000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[300].text |
柯總召，你還沒有當院長耶！ |
| transcript.gazette[300].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[301].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[301].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:40.658000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[301].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[301].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:42.705000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[301].text |
柯總召一個人跳水上芭蕾跳了 38分鐘…… |
| transcript.gazette[301].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[302].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[302].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:42.705000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[302].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[302].end |
2025-01-16T11:55:48.857000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[302].text |
我是開玩笑，誰要發言是你指定。 |
| transcript.gazette[302].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[303].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[303].start |
2025-01-16T11:55:48.857000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[303].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[303].end |
2025-01-16T11:56:12.692000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[303].text |
各位親愛的黨團幹部，我真的很希望朝野協商這個平臺是有效的，我們所有立法院的立法委
員都在期待，我們朝野協商對中央政府總預算達成共識或者部分共識，也減輕我們立法委員很
多的壓力，也能達到更有效的審查預算…… |
| transcript.gazette[303].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[304].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[304].start |
2025-01-16T11:56:12.692000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[304].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[304].end |
2025-01-16T11:56:14.812000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[304].text |
你罵完人就要走了喔？ |
| transcript.gazette[304].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[305].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[305].start |
2025-01-16T11:56:14.812000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[305].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[305].end |
2025-01-16T11:56:16.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[305].text |
我們坐在這邊被罵半個小時，你人就要走了喔？ |
| transcript.gazette[305].quality |
0.105 |
| transcript.gazette[306].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[306].start |
2025-01-16T11:56:16.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[306].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[306].end |
2025-01-16T11:56:19.052000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[306].text |
所以你罵完人就要走了嘛，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[306].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[307].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[307].start |
2025-01-16T11:56:19.052000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[307].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[307].end |
2025-01-16T11:56:21.172000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[307].text |
你罵我啊。 |
| transcript.gazette[307].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[308].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[308].start |
2025-01-16T11:56:21.172000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[308].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[308].end |
2025-01-16T11:56:23.292000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[308].text |
你罵完人就要走了喔？ |
| transcript.gazette[308].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[309].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[309].start |
2025-01-16T11:56:23.292000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[309].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[309].end |
2025-01-16T11:56:25.412000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[309].text |
我不會走…… |
| transcript.gazette[309].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[310].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[310].start |
2025-01-16T11:56:25.412000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[310].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[310].end |
2025-01-16T11:56:27.532000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[310].text |
好啊，你坐著，他們罵半小時，再換我們罵半小時啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[310].quality |
0.1 |
| transcript.gazette[311].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[311].start |
2025-01-16T11:56:27.532000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[311].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[311].end |
2025-01-16T11:57:00.843000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[311].text |
今天因為總統接見去美國的團，所以我們 11 點開始協商，現在 11 點 56 分，我們柯總召一
個人講了快 45 分鐘的話，所以說我很想把朝野協商這個平臺搭建起來，大家心理壓力都很大，
希望中央政府預算能夠順利通過，但是我很遺憾，柯總召真的應該扮演立法院所有委員的典範
，把他的經驗傳承給更年輕的委員，我們希望是有效率的朝野協商。 |
| transcript.gazette[311].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[312].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[312].start |
2025-01-16T11:57:01.684000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[312].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[312].end |
2025-01-16T11:57:17.594000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[312].text |
我相信柯總召是有智慧的
，但是沒有辦法當典範，如果跟其他政黨不停的謾罵，我覺得實在是太可惜了，我相信民進黨
的立委也一定有感觸，不是光……大家都希望立法院往前走、能夠更有效率。 |
| transcript.gazette[312].quality |
0.961 |
| transcript.gazette[313].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[313].start |
2025-01-16T11:57:20.152000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[313].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[313].end |
2025-01-16T11:57:36.127000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[313].text |
已經近中午 12 點了，我們也有準備午餐，顯然大家都沒有達成共識，我現在在思考，現在民
進黨發言完以後，我們要不要繼續下午協商？ |
| transcript.gazette[313].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[314].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[314].start |
2025-01-16T11:57:36.848000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[314].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[314].end |
2025-01-16T11:57:43.668000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[314].text |
如果這個協商方式跟型態不能改變，我們到底所
求為何？ |
| transcript.gazette[314].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[315].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[315].start |
2025-01-16T11:57:44.349000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[315].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[315].end |
2025-01-16T11:58:00.362000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[315].text |
等一下我會請國民黨黨團跟台灣民眾黨團發言，沒有問題，但是我想針對是否能夠聚
焦、有效地進行中央政府總預算協商，就這一點來發言，也請大家表明一個態度，如果真的協
商不行，我們就全部交院會來處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[315].quality |
0.942 |
| transcript.gazette[316].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[316].start |
2025-01-16T11:58:00.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[316].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[316].end |
2025-01-16T11:58:03.304000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[316].text |
現在請王鴻薇首席副書記長，請發言，台灣民眾黨請準備。 |
| transcript.gazette[316].quality |
0.783 |
| transcript.gazette[317].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[317].start |
2025-01-16T11:58:03.464000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[317].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[317].end |
2025-01-16T11:58:04.004000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[317].text |
謝謝院長還有現場各黨團的同事…… |
| transcript.gazette[317].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[318].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[318].start |
2025-01-16T11:58:04.004000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[318].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[318].end |
2025-01-16T11:58:05.004000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[318].text |
不要急，慢慢講，講半小時！ |
| transcript.gazette[318].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[319].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[319].start |
2025-01-16T11:58:04.045000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[319].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[319].end |
2025-01-16T11:58:04.205000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[319].text |
我要講半小時呀？ |
| transcript.gazette[319].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[320].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[320].start |
2025-01-16T11:58:15.091000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[320].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[320].end |
2025-01-16T11:58:25.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[320].text |
現場還有很多的行政官員，從昨天到今天，大家都已經看得非常、
非常清楚了，今天民進黨團真的是要來協商總預算嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[320].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[321].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[321].start |
2025-01-16T11:58:25.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[321].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[321].end |
2025-01-16T11:58:26.976000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[321].text |
他們真的要爭取總預算通過嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[321].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[322].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[322].start |
2025-01-16T11:58:36.133000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[322].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[322].end |
2025-01-16T11:58:39.035000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[322].text |
這種協
商是正常的協商嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[322].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[323].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[323].start |
2025-01-16T11:58:39.035000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[323].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[323].end |
2025-01-16T11:58:39.535000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[323].text |
顯然不是！ |
| transcript.gazette[323].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[324].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[324].start |
2025-01-16T11:58:40.456000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[324].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[324].end |
2025-01-16T11:58:54.743000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[324].text |
我想剛才院長也非常感慨，談到其實非常希望我們能夠有一個
協 13
這樣的平臺，讓大家能夠就總預算的部分……也讓行政單位能夠表達意見。 |
| transcript.gazette[324].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[325].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[325].start |
2025-01-16T11:58:57.524000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[325].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[325].end |
2025-01-16T11:59:11.074000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[325].text |
可是從昨天到今天
，事實上昨天兩個小時零進度；到了今天，也一個小時過去了，仍然是零進度，我們大部分時
間聽到的都是柯建銘總召自己的獨白。 |
| transcript.gazette[325].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[326].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[326].start |
2025-01-16T11:59:11.375000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[326].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[326].end |
2025-01-16T11:59:27.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[326].text |
我剛才真的覺得不可思議，罵院長、罵國民黨、罵黃國昌、罵林思銘，竟然還說林思銘要良
禽擇木而棲，我請問一下，這又跟我們今天的總預算有什麼關係？ |
| transcript.gazette[326].quality |
0.902 |
| transcript.gazette[327].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[327].start |
2025-01-16T11:59:27.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[327].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[327].end |
2025-01-16T11:59:28.006000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[327].text |
有什麼樣的關係？ |
| transcript.gazette[327].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[328].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[328].start |
2025-01-16T11:59:28.006000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[328].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[328].end |
2025-01-16T11:59:48.312000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[328].text |
然後又不
停的倒帶，我以為我今天又回到昨天下午的時間，他講的什麼寧鳴而生、不默而死，昨天有沒
有講？ |
| transcript.gazette[328].quality |
0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[329].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[329].start |
2025-01-16T11:59:48.312000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[329].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[329].end |
2025-01-16T11:59:48.812000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[329].text |
都有講啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[329].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[330].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[330].start |
2025-01-16T11:59:50.133000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[330].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[330].end |
2025-01-16T11:59:54.437000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[330].text |
為什麼要這樣不停的浪費大家的時間？ |
| transcript.gazette[330].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[331].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[331].start |
2025-01-16T11:59:54.437000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[331].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[331].end |
2025-01-16T12:00:04.563000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[331].text |
其實他有策略，他就是不要協商，他
希望的是到時候最後逼迫……反正民進黨有很多的側翼，包含他自己的主任、助理也在這邊不
停的當中央廚房，把所有有關預算的部分釋放出去，用民進黨的側翼、用民進黨的媒體，昨天
不是一樣嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[331].quality |
0.989 |
| transcript.gazette[332].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[332].start |
2025-01-16T12:00:04.563000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[332].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[332].end |
2025-01-16T12:00:44.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[332].text |
「三明自」已經在修理在野黨了，「三明自」修理完在野黨，今天就變民進黨團
來開記者會，繼續黑在野黨，這就是現在執政黨對於總預算的態度，他不要協商，他只要對立
、對抗，而且他只要不停的黑你！ |
| transcript.gazette[332].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[333].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[333].start |
2025-01-16T12:00:48.253000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[333].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[333].end |
2025-01-16T12:01:25.725000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[333].text |
其實我知道剛才院長語重心長，我們本來也很尊重柯總召在立法院這麼久的時間，他有非常
成熟的經驗，對議事規則也非常嫻熟，剛才院長還說，希望他能夠把他一生的武功、一生的經
驗傳承，如果是一個有高度、宏觀的政治人物，我想他不但應該傳承給民進黨的委員們、新進
的委員們，甚至跨政黨的委員都很願意為他學習。 |
| transcript.gazette[333].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[334].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[334].start |
2025-01-16T12:01:25.725000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[334].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[334].end |
2025-01-16T12:01:26.165000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[334].text |
可是現在他成為什麼呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[334].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[335].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[335].start |
2025-01-16T12:01:26.185000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[335].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[335].end |
2025-01-16T12:01:35.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[335].text |
他成為一個廢話大
全的柯總召；他成為一個講話「落落長」、沒有重點的柯總召；他成為一個充滿權謀但是不顧
大局的柯總召！ |
| transcript.gazette[335].quality |
0.94 |
| transcript.gazette[336].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[336].start |
2025-01-16T12:01:35.387000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[336].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[336].end |
2025-01-16T12:02:14.378000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[336].text |
所以他沒有辦法當典範，這樣子的經驗不要傳承給大家，否則的話，他只是帶
壞這些委員而已，就如同柯總召喜歡拍桌子，他基本上在他那邊拍桌子，我也不會講什麼話，
最多大家情緒表達一下，像他上次還跑到主席（院長）的前面，去拍院長的桌子，這不就是帶
壞這些立委嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[336].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[337].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[337].start |
2025-01-16T12:02:14.378000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[337].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[337].end |
2025-01-16T12:02:29.967000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[337].text |
所以剛剛進來的王義川，才會在黃國昌委員發言的時候去拍他的桌子，這過去
都前所未有！ |
| transcript.gazette[337].quality |
0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[338].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[338].start |
2025-01-16T12:02:33.857000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[338].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[338].end |
2025-01-16T12:02:38.319000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[338].text |
院長，我知道你很好心，但是我覺得他們是把好心當驢肝肺！ |
| transcript.gazette[338].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[339].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[339].start |
2025-01-16T12:02:40.279000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[339].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[339].end |
2025-01-16T12:02:46.522000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[339].text |
我現在回到剛才院長也詢問說這樣子的話，我們要不要繼續協商？ |
| transcript.gazette[339].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[340].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[340].start |
2025-01-16T12:02:47.423000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[340].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[340].end |
2025-01-16T12:03:13.364000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[340].text |
我必須講今天我們在野政
黨，不管是國民黨或者民眾黨，我們事實上有極大的誠意來做預算的協商，可是如果協商都變
成昨天的局面跟今天的局面，我們大家浪費這麼多的時間，更不要說一大堆行政院的官員都坐
在這裡，他們沒有政務可做嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[340].quality |
0.99 |
| transcript.gazette[341].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[341].start |
2025-01-16T12:03:13.364000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[341].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[341].end |
2025-01-16T12:03:13.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[341].text |
什麼叫癱瘓政府？ |
| transcript.gazette[341].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[342].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[342].start |
2025-01-16T12:03:13.964000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[342].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[342].end |
2025-01-16T12:03:14.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[342].text |
這才叫癱瘓政府吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[342].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[343].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[343].start |
2025-01-16T12:03:14.645000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[343].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[343].end |
2025-01-16T12:03:21.384000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[343].text |
幾個小時坐在那邊，他
們一句話也不能說，也要聽一大堆的廢話！ |
| transcript.gazette[343].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[344].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[344].start |
2025-01-16T12:03:21.424000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[344].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[344].end |
2025-01-16T12:04:10.054000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[344].text |
如果今天的協商平臺是這樣的協商的話，那我具體的建議，我也代表我們黨團具體的建議，
這樣的協商不要也罷，浪費大家時間，說實在，我剛剛為什麼講我們都很有誠意，比如說今天
的通案，通案裡面有國民黨團提的，有個別委員提的，有民眾黨團提的，我們昨天還利用休息
時間跟黃國昌總召做初步的意見交換，通案的部分有什麼我們可以整合，不能整合的部分該怎
麼做，可以整合的部分該怎麼做，我們還不夠識大體嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[344].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[345].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[345].start |
2025-01-16T12:04:10.054000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[345].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[345].end |
2025-01-16T12:04:10.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[345].text |
我們還不夠顧大局嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[345].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[346].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[346].start |
2025-01-16T12:04:10.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[346].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[346].end |
2025-01-16T12:04:11.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[346].text |
到底是誰要癱
瘓政府啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[346].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[347].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[347].start |
2025-01-16T12:04:18.338000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[347].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[347].end |
2025-01-16T12:04:20.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[347].text |
癱瘓政府的不就是民進黨團嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[347].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[348].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[348].start |
2025-01-16T12:04:20.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[348].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[348].end |
2025-01-16T12:04:29.027000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[348].text |
到現在都不願意協商，然後又提出野保法，那請問
一下，他昨天講了那麼久，講了兩個小時，他有提到野保法嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[348].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[349].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[349].start |
2025-01-16T12:04:29.027000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[349].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[349].end |
2025-01-16T12:04:31.269000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[349].text |
今天突然提到為什麼我們不來
討論、協商野保法，請問他昨天那兩個小時有提到嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[349].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[350].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[350].start |
2025-01-16T12:04:36.731000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[350].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[350].end |
2025-01-16T12:04:37.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[350].text |
因為他可能「落落長」，我真的沒有聽
協 14
到他在談野保法，那他有跟院長室這邊提到說我們要協商野保法嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[350].quality |
0.86 |
| transcript.gazette[351].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[351].start |
2025-01-16T12:04:37.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[351].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[351].end |
2025-01-16T12:04:38.172000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[351].text |
沒有吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[351].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[352].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[352].start |
2025-01-16T12:04:38.372000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[352].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[352].end |
2025-01-16T12:04:39.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[352].text |
我還沒講完，所
以我的意思是，如果今天是這樣的態度，那麼根本就沒有辦法進行協商，這樣的協商真的不用
也罷！ |
| transcript.gazette[352].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[353].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[353].start |
2025-01-16T12:04:39.833000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[353].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[353].end |
2025-01-16T12:05:08.491000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[353].text |
然後我要特別提到，因為剛才柯總召有提到我，我的部分待會我會說明，我那個主決議絕對
是合法合規。 |
| transcript.gazette[353].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[354].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[354].start |
2025-01-16T12:05:08.531000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[354].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[354].end |
2025-01-16T12:05:10.033000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[354].text |
今天民進黨團也召開記者會，我不曉得那個金額是從哪裡而來啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[354].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[355].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[355].start |
2025-01-16T12:05:10.173000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[355].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[355].end |
2025-01-16T12:05:31.899000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[355].text |
說民眾黨估計
刪掉 2,000 億，國民黨估計刪掉 1,500 億，不得了啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[355].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[356].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[356].start |
2025-01-16T12:05:33.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[356].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[356].end |
2025-01-16T12:05:34.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[356].text |
這代表癱瘓政府啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[356].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[357].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[357].start |
2025-01-16T12:05:35.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[357].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[357].end |
2025-01-16T12:05:40.122000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[357].text |
然後農業部也開始對
外在宣稱說，按照這樣子的話，我們就要關門了，就要關門了。 |
| transcript.gazette[357].quality |
0.879 |
| transcript.gazette[358].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[358].start |
2025-01-16T12:05:40.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[358].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[358].end |
2025-01-16T12:05:41.342000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[358].text |
為什麼要這樣嚇唬政府、為什
麼要這樣嚇唬人民呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[358].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[359].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[359].start |
2025-01-16T12:05:53.758000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[359].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[359].end |
2025-01-16T12:06:06.729000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[359].text |
我跟大家報告一下，即便民進黨黨團今天召開記者會，我想他們已經上
窮碧落下黃泉，想盡辦法把這個數字「膨風」，那個數字根本是錯誤的數字，就算用他們那個
數字，國民黨團跟民眾黨團加起來 3,500 億，3,500 億就會癱瘓掉政府嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[359].quality |
0.791 |
| transcript.gazette[360].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[360].start |
2025-01-16T12:06:24.133000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[360].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[360].end |
2025-01-16T12:06:24.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[360].text |
3,500 億我們的政府就
被癱瘓了？ |
| transcript.gazette[360].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[361].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[361].start |
2025-01-16T12:06:24.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[361].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[361].end |
2025-01-16T12:06:24.853000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[361].text |
有沒有 sense 啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[361].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[362].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[362].start |
2025-01-16T12:06:24.973000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[362].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[362].end |
2025-01-16T12:06:26.513000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[362].text |
我每次都在說民進黨的一些委員不懂預算，假懂，假裝懂，然後對
外胡說八道，每次被打臉打到腫了，還要繼續拗，我就問你，我問對面召開記者會，3,500 億可
以癱瘓政府嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[362].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[363].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[363].start |
2025-01-16T12:06:53.544000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[363].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[363].end |
2025-01-16T12:06:53.624000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[363].text |
3,500 億可以癱瘓政府嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[363].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[364].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[364].start |
2025-01-16T12:06:53.624000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[364].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[364].end |
2025-01-16T12:06:54.344000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[364].text |
我給大家報告一下，當年蔡總統在野的時候，他怎麼
說？ |
| transcript.gazette[364].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[365].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[365].start |
2025-01-16T12:06:54.444000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[365].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[365].end |
2025-01-16T12:06:54.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[365].text |
他說要暫停證所稅，而且說總預算砍多少，砍 20%。 |
| transcript.gazette[365].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[366].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[366].start |
2025-01-16T12:07:18.155000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[366].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[366].end |
2025-01-16T12:07:22.457000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[366].text |
他在野的時候，總預算要砍 20%，他
說砍 20%才能夠救政府的財政，才能救臺灣、救財政，這是當時蔡英文總統在野的時候，說要
暫停證所稅、要總預算砍 20%。 |
| transcript.gazette[366].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[367].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[367].start |
2025-01-16T12:07:23.257000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[367].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[367].end |
2025-01-16T12:07:24.197000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[367].text |
我給大家算一下，3,500 億占今年度的歲出多少呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[367].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[368].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[368].start |
2025-01-16T12:07:24.397000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[368].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[368].end |
2025-01-16T12:07:56.643000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[368].text |
不到 12%，
砍 20%救財政、救臺灣，砍 12%癱瘓政府、政府關門。 |
| transcript.gazette[368].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[369].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[369].start |
2025-01-16T12:07:56.643000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[369].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[369].end |
2025-01-16T12:07:56.903000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[369].text |
民進黨團，認真一點好嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[369].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[370].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[370].start |
2025-01-16T12:08:07.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[370].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[370].end |
2025-01-16T12:08:23.199000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[370].text |
現在我看到
有人趕快算、趕快算，我都幫你算過了，就是你們都不懂預算，然後天天就是用口水的方式、
用抹黑人的方式、用嚇唬大家的方式，3,500億，請問怎麼樣癱瘓政府？ |
| transcript.gazette[370].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[371].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[371].start |
2025-01-16T12:08:23.419000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[371].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[371].end |
2025-01-16T12:08:24.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[371].text |
再來，今年的歲出 3 兆 1,325 億，去年多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[371].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[372].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[372].start |
2025-01-16T12:08:37.154000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[372].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[372].end |
2025-01-16T12:08:43.876000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[372].text |
去年 2 兆 9,500 億，比今年少多少？1,800 億。 |
| transcript.gazette[372].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[373].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[373].start |
2025-01-16T12:08:43.876000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[373].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[373].end |
2025-01-16T12:08:46.317000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[373].text |
去年政府有關掉嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[373].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[374].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[374].start |
2025-01-16T12:08:46.317000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[374].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[374].end |
2025-01-16T12:08:46.557000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[374].text |
沒有啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[374].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[375].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[375].start |
2025-01-16T12:08:47.337000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[375].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[375].end |
2025-01-16T12:08:51.538000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[375].text |
運作得好好的，他們說 1,800 億，所以你不能砍 1,800 億以上喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[375].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[376].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[376].start |
2025-01-16T12:08:52.319000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[376].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[376].end |
2025-01-16T12:09:00.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[376].text |
再來，112年中央政府總預算的歲出規模是多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[376].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[377].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[377].start |
2025-01-16T12:09:02.021000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[377].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[377].end |
2025-01-16T12:09:06.183000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[377].text |
2兆 6,891億，比今年少多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[377].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[378].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[378].start |
2025-01-16T12:09:07.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[378].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[378].end |
2025-01-16T12:09:07.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[378].text |
少 4,500億啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[378].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[379].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[379].start |
2025-01-16T12:09:07.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[379].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[379].end |
2025-01-16T12:09:08.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[379].text |
112 年的時候，我們政府有關門嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[379].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[380].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[380].start |
2025-01-16T12:09:08.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[380].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[380].end |
2025-01-16T12:09:10.619000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[380].text |
農業部有關門嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[380].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[381].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[381].start |
2025-01-16T12:09:10.619000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[381].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[381].end |
2025-01-16T12:09:10.779000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[381].text |
政府有關門嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[381].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[382].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[382].start |
2025-01-16T12:09:10.779000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[382].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[382].end |
2025-01-16T12:09:11.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[382].text |
政府有被癱瘓嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[382].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[383].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[383].start |
2025-01-16T12:09:11.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[383].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[383].end |
2025-01-16T12:09:14.661000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[383].text |
你不要
告訴我，蔡英文政府的時代，其實你們全部都是被癱瘓掉的，笑死人！ |
| transcript.gazette[383].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[384].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[384].start |
2025-01-16T12:09:14.761000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[384].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[384].end |
2025-01-16T12:09:15.001000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[384].text |
比今年足足少 4,500 億啊
！ |
| transcript.gazette[384].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[385].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[385].start |
2025-01-16T12:09:35.683000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[385].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[385].end |
2025-01-16T12:09:37.844000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[385].text |
政府有被癱瘓掉嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[385].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[386].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[386].start |
2025-01-16T12:09:37.844000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[386].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[386].end |
2025-01-16T12:10:11.242000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[386].text |
所以今天我們所有中央政府總預算在歲出的部分，其實該做的事情就是不管黨團、不管委員
或者是委員會，大家可以去坐下來協商的，今天為什麼院長用心良苦、苦口婆心，希望能夠透
過這樣的協商平臺，大家來做一些可能有爭議性的？ |
| transcript.gazette[386].quality |
0.99 |
| transcript.gazette[387].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[387].start |
2025-01-16T12:10:12.483000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[387].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[387].end |
2025-01-16T12:10:31.161000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[387].text |
我相信行政部門也希望爭取預算，我必須
講，一些二、三級的單位都比你們有責任感、有 guts，他們都很努力地來跟很多委員做協商。 |
| transcript.gazette[387].quality |
0.982 |
| transcript.gazette[388].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[388].start |
2025-01-16T12:10:32.022000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[388].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[388].end |
2025-01-16T12:10:33.904000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[388].text |
我
告訴你，官越大越傲慢，官越大越自以為是，覺得錢就應該給你，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[388].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[389].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[389].start |
2025-01-16T12:10:33.924000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[389].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[389].end |
2025-01-16T12:10:34.064000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[389].text |
給你去浪費，是不
是？ |
| transcript.gazette[389].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[390].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[390].start |
2025-01-16T12:10:42.595000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[390].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[390].end |
2025-01-16T12:10:46.918000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[390].text |
每天都要來威脅人家，每天都說這個不能刪、那個刪，喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[390].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[391].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[391].start |
2025-01-16T12:10:46.918000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[391].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[391].end |
2025-01-16T12:11:02.447000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[391].text |
你刪這個……網路已經傳了，
什麼育兒津貼被刪掉、房屋補貼被刪掉、長照什麼的，都是無中生有、造謠生事，每天用一堆
事情來嚇唬老百姓，就如同就業安定基金不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[391].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[392].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[392].start |
2025-01-16T12:11:02.447000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[392].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[392].end |
2025-01-16T12:11:03.828000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[392].text |
以前就業安定基金有人敢凍嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[392].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[393].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[393].start |
2025-01-16T12:11:03.828000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[393].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[393].end |
2025-01-16T12:11:15.012000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[393].text |
一凍不得了
了，就說沒有照顧勞工，這都是勞工權益，就業安定基金是放在勞工上的，是不是大家都是這
樣講？ |
| transcript.gazette[393].quality |
0.886 |
| transcript.gazette[394].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[394].start |
2025-01-16T12:11:15.012000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[394].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[394].end |
2025-01-16T12:11:15.132000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[394].text |
都不敢刪啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[394].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[395].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[395].start |
2025-01-16T12:11:15.152000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[395].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[395].end |
2025-01-16T12:11:15.413000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[395].text |
你編多少就給你用啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[395].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[396].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[396].start |
2025-01-16T12:11:15.453000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[396].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[396].end |
2025-01-16T12:11:15.553000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[396].text |
用哪裡去了？ |
| transcript.gazette[396].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[397].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[397].start |
2025-01-16T12:11:16.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[397].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[397].end |
2025-01-16T12:11:17.634000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[397].text |
現在勞動部長也在這邊，就業安定基
協 15
金用到哪裡去了？ |
| transcript.gazette[397].quality |
0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[398].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[398].start |
2025-01-16T12:11:17.734000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[398].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[398].end |
2025-01-16T12:11:44.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[398].text |
用到給部長開演唱會，用到給這些首長做裝潢費、豪華的辦公室，用到給這
些首長買名牌去送禮，有用到勞工身上嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[398].quality |
0.915 |
| transcript.gazette[399].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[399].start |
2025-01-16T12:11:44.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[399].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[399].end |
2025-01-16T12:11:46.161000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[399].text |
這不就是現在的話術嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[399].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[400].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[400].start |
2025-01-16T12:11:46.161000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[400].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[400].end |
2025-01-16T12:11:49.363000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[400].text |
你不能砍、你不能凍，凍
結都不准凍喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[400].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[401].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[401].start |
2025-01-16T12:11:51.364000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[401].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[401].end |
2025-01-16T12:11:53.105000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[401].text |
對不起，院長，我要講半個小時。 |
| transcript.gazette[401].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[402].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[402].start |
2025-01-16T12:11:54.145000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[402].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[402].end |
2025-01-16T12:11:56.166000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[402].text |
他剛剛罵我的，我還沒有講完喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[402].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[403].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[403].start |
2025-01-16T12:11:59.355000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[403].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[403].end |
2025-01-16T12:12:05.527000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[403].text |
所以我要特別說
了，我們既然有這個時間，他在那邊東罵西罵，你看我講的都是預算吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[403].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[404].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[404].start |
2025-01-16T12:12:05.828000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[404].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[404].end |
2025-01-16T12:12:08.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[404].text |
我告訴大家實際的數
字，用功一點好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[404].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[405].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[405].start |
2025-01-16T12:12:09.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[405].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[405].end |
2025-01-16T12:12:09.976000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[405].text |
罵人都沒有用功。 |
| transcript.gazette[405].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[406].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[406].start |
2025-01-16T12:12:10.918000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[406].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[406].end |
2025-01-16T12:12:23.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[406].text |
再來，我知道院長現在急著要給其他人講，但是我一
定要講，他剛剛特別點名我，這也是他辦公室的主任、中央廚房做的，我也看到啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[406].quality |
0.906 |
| transcript.gazette[407].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[407].start |
2025-01-16T12:12:24.305000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[407].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[407].end |
2025-01-16T12:12:27.086000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[407].text |
網路上，
然後那個什麼「三民自」就開始來鋪天蓋地。 |
| transcript.gazette[407].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[408].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[408].start |
2025-01-16T12:12:27.106000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[408].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[408].end |
2025-01-16T12:12:28.547000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[408].text |
請問一下，我的要求有不合法嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[408].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[409].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[409].start |
2025-01-16T12:12:28.547000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[409].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[409].end |
2025-01-16T12:12:28.627000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[409].text |
有不合法嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[409].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[410].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[410].start |
2025-01-16T12:12:38.122000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[410].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[410].end |
2025-01-16T12:12:52.312000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[410].text |
罷免是公民的權利，但是我們在選罷法裡面
很明確的規定，在滿一年之後你可以開始罷免，這個就是依法、公民的權利。 |
| transcript.gazette[410].quality |
0.979 |
| transcript.gazette[411].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[411].start |
2025-01-16T12:12:53.333000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[411].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[411].end |
2025-01-16T12:13:55.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[411].text |
但是我們現在知
道，確實，現在很多在大半年前就開始做，而現在有，未來也會有，更不要說我們現在立法院
也有選罷法的修正，不管有沒有罷免，中選會今天可以比如說每一個年度有新版，以避免這些
團體都在違法罷免，你 2 月 1 號開始去罷免，比如說現在也有公民團體在罷免吳思瑤，但是他
們知道，要 2 月 1 號才能夠開始，所以他用意向書的方式，從 2 月 1 號，人家就完全守法，按
部就班的來蒐集所有的連署書，OK 啊，這不就是公民的權利嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[411].quality |
0.983 |
| transcript.gazette[412].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[412].start |
2025-01-16T12:13:55.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[412].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[412].end |
2025-01-16T12:14:05.934000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[412].text |
同樣的，今天即便這些罷免團
體蒐集罷免王鴻薇的連署書，我也尊重，但是 2 月 1 號才正式起跑。 |
| transcript.gazette[412].quality |
0.865 |
| transcript.gazette[413].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[413].start |
2025-01-16T12:14:07.175000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[413].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[413].end |
2025-01-16T12:14:19.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[413].text |
既然你蒐集的連署書都是
這麼實在的，你就從 2 月 1 號，我相信你要罷免王鴻薇，願意的都幫你簽連署書了，你現在的
連署書，他不能簽喔？ |
| transcript.gazette[413].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[414].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[414].start |
2025-01-16T12:14:20.331000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[414].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[414].end |
2025-01-16T12:14:25.692000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[414].text |
我就覺得奇怪了，罷免吳思瑤的，人家可以守法，為什麼罷免王鴻薇的
不能守法？ |
| transcript.gazette[414].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[415].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[415].start |
2025-01-16T12:14:26.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[415].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[415].end |
2025-01-16T12:14:28.872000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[415].text |
所以請問一下，你們除了在那邊講大罷免、大罷免之外，然後呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[415].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[416].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[416].start |
2025-01-16T12:14:29.192000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T12:14:42.461000+08:00 |
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我在整個主決議
裡面要求要合法合規，依法行政，所以我說我這個主決議非常正確啊！ |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2025-01-16T12:14:44.162000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T12:14:46.184000+08:00 |
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凍結，什麼叫凍結？ |
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1 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2025-01-16T12:14:46.184000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T12:14:49.466000+08:00 |
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我們現在直播，每次因為柯建銘，現在看的人越來越多，以前民進黨就
怎麼樣來黑？ |
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0.848 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2025-01-16T12:14:49.526000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T12:14:49.907000+08:00 |
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凍結就是刪啦，你看到沒有？ |
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0.909 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2025-01-16T12:14:49.927000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T12:14:50.227000+08:00 |
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又是不懂，不懂、扭曲、歪曲事實。 |
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1 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2025-01-16T12:14:50.227000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T12:15:38.072000+08:00 |
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凍結只是暫時
的凍結，請你做到一件事情之後，那麼就解凍使用，凍結跟刪減預算不能畫等號，這是預算的
ABC，但是民進黨的側翼不懂啦，他們不會懂的，反正從來都沒有講過正確的事情啊，連行政
院的記者會都變成假新聞的新聞記者會，我們行政院自己都變成假新聞啦！ |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2025-01-16T12:15:39.256000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T12:15:47.818000+08:00 |
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大家都不知道啊，
什麼財劃法，在那邊黑財劃法，說要重提總預算，請問你主計總處有重提總預算嗎？ |
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0.825 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2025-01-16T12:15:47.818000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T12:15:50.599000+08:00 |
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你們有重
提 114年總預算嗎？ |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[424].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
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2025-01-16T12:15:50.599000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T12:15:54.079000+08:00 |
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為什麼你之前去召開記者會，行政院發言人可以說要準備重提總預算呢？ |
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1 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2025-01-16T12:15:54.099000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T12:15:54.259000+08:00 |
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假
新聞！ |
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1 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2025-01-16T12:15:54.359000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T12:15:55+08:00 |
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這個政府已經到了讓人覺得不可思議的地步。 |
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0.895 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2025-01-16T12:16:06.461000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T12:16:22.988000+08:00 |
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今天柯總召說我講他什麼，他要回應我，他剛才那樣子說我，我也要回應，但是我要講的就
是，今天我們所有做的事情，統統都是合法合規的事情，我有做非法的決議嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[427].quality |
0.925 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2025-01-16T12:16:25.151000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T12:16:28.292000+08:00 |
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所以在這邊一
定要跟大家做以上的報告。 |
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0.824 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2025-01-16T12:16:28.953000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T12:16:41.757000+08:00 |
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然後我們要特別講，如果你真的有心要處理總預算，那就好好地來
進入協商，但是現在看得很清楚啊，我們也不是笨蛋，也不是白癡啊！ |
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0.926 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2025-01-16T12:16:44.028000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T12:16:46.009000+08:00 |
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今天我們的柯總召，我
也不知道他到哪裡去了，可是我不像黃國昌，因為他剛才罵黃國昌罵得比較多，哪有這種事情
啊！ |
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0.958 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2025-01-16T12:16:46.029000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T12:16:46.630000+08:00 |
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他在這邊罵的時候，我們都乖乖坐在這邊聽啊！ |
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1 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2025-01-16T12:16:46.650000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T12:17:03.125000+08:00 |
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所以麥玉珍委員應該回敬他。 |
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0.833 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2025-01-16T12:17:04.046000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T12:17:14.057000+08:00 |
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協 16
所以在這邊，我要特別講到，把一些謠言、把這些假訊息破除，我真的就直接點破。 |
| transcript.gazette[433].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[434].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
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2025-01-16T12:17:14.077000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T12:17:14.197000+08:00 |
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院長，
真的！ |
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1 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2025-01-16T12:17:14.277000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T12:17:47.270000+08:00 |
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這個平臺，你苦心積慮，但是事實上最後只是變成柯建銘自己一人獨白，我不會接著講
，他可以一次又一次的 30 分鐘、30 分鐘，我不會那麼長的時間，但是我只是覺得如果今天我們
各政黨可以由著柯建銘總召，一而再再而三破壞我們整個協商機制，那我們是笨蛋嗎？ |
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0.924 |
| transcript.gazette[436].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
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2025-01-16T12:17:47.270000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T12:17:48.871000+08:00 |
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我們為
什麼要一直浪費我們的時間在這邊聽他的廢話？ |
| transcript.gazette[436].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[437].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
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2025-01-16T12:17:48.871000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T12:17:53.514000+08:00 |
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所以在這邊跟院長，也跟我們立法院的其他同
仁報告，如果協商是這樣的狀況，那不用協商，我們就做議事處理，我們按照議事，我們全部
都合法、合乎議事的程序來處理，以上。 |
| transcript.gazette[437].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[438].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[438].start |
2025-01-16T12:18:11.399000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[438].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[438].end |
2025-01-16T12:18:12.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[438].text |
謝謝國民黨黨團的二輪發言。 |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[439].speaker |
主席 |
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2025-01-16T12:18:13.961000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T12:18:22.827000+08:00 |
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我作一個宣告：剛才新收兩個案，如果沒有意見，我們請財政委員會專門委員納入協商的討
論內容。 |
| transcript.gazette[439].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[440].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[440].start |
2025-01-16T12:18:23.528000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[440].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[440].end |
2025-01-16T12:18:26.170000+08:00 |
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接下來請台灣民眾黨團二輪發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[440].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[441].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2025-01-16T12:18:27.791000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T12:18:29.372000+08:00 |
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請問一下是什麼新收案件？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[442].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2025-01-16T12:18:30.072000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T12:18:34.216000+08:00 |
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程序請教一下，因為我們有各個議案的截止時間嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[442].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[443].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2025-01-16T12:18:35.076000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[443].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[443].end |
2025-01-16T12:18:36.537000+08:00 |
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新收
的議案是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[443].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[444].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
| transcript.gazette[444].start |
2025-01-16T12:18:38.279000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[444].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[444].end |
2025-01-16T12:18:41.677000+08:00 |
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現在這個程序要確認一下，什麼是新收議案？ |
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0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[445].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
| transcript.gazette[445].start |
2025-01-16T12:18:42.478000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[445].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[445].end |
2025-01-16T12:18:43.858000+08:00 |
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因為我們都有法定的期程。 |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[446].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2025-01-16T12:18:43.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[446].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-16T12:18:48.400000+08:00 |
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主席，所以剛剛那個不應當是…… |
| transcript.gazette[446].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[447].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2025-01-16T12:18:48.400000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[447].end |
2025-01-16T12:18:53.222000+08:00 |
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要確認一下，不能這樣，因為這樣大家就陸陸續續再遞案，好不好？ |
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0.808 |
| transcript.gazette[448].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
| transcript.gazette[448].start |
2025-01-16T12:18:54.342000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[448].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[448].end |
2025-01-16T12:18:54.462000+08:00 |
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確認一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[448].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[449].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
| transcript.gazette[449].start |
2025-01-16T12:18:54.682000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[449].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[449].end |
2025-01-16T12:18:55.002000+08:00 |
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不是、不是。 |
| transcript.gazette[449].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[450].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
| transcript.gazette[450].start |
2025-01-16T12:18:55.442000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[450].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[450].end |
2025-01-16T12:18:58.323000+08:00 |
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這是程序的問題，等一下，院長，先把這個確認一下，新收議案…… |
| transcript.gazette[450].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[451].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[451].start |
2025-01-16T12:18:58.323000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[451].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[451].end |
2025-01-16T12:18:59.323000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[451].text |
沒有問題，你如果有什麼新案件…… |
| transcript.gazette[451].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[452].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
| transcript.gazette[452].start |
2025-01-16T12:18:59.323000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[452].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[452].end |
2025-01-16T12:19:00.323000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[452].text |
不是、不是。 |
| transcript.gazette[452].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[453].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
| transcript.gazette[453].start |
2025-01-16T12:18:58.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[453].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[453].end |
2025-01-16T12:18:59.484000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[453].text |
新收議案是針對預算案提案嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[453].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[454].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
| transcript.gazette[454].start |
2025-01-16T12:19:04.273000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[454].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[454].end |
2025-01-16T12:19:06.935000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[454].text |
我們不是有統一的截止日期嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[454].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[455].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
| transcript.gazette[455].start |
2025-01-16T12:19:07.495000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[455].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[455].end |
2025-01-16T12:19:07.836000+08:00 |
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這個可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[455].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[456].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[456].start |
2025-01-16T12:19:07.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[456].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[456].end |
2025-01-16T12:19:10.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[456].text |
必須要院長本人簽字，我已經簽字，你有什麼新提案也歡迎提出，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[456].quality |
0.862 |
| transcript.gazette[457].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
| transcript.gazette[457].start |
2025-01-16T12:19:10.998000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[457].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[457].end |
2025-01-16T12:19:11.899000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[457].text |
那要印給大家看是什麼新收議案。 |
| transcript.gazette[457].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[458].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[458].start |
2025-01-16T12:19:12.519000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[458].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[458].end |
2025-01-16T12:19:14.260000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[458].text |
好的、好的，一定會。 |
| transcript.gazette[458].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[459].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[459].start |
2025-01-16T12:19:14.260000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[459].end |
2025-01-16T12:19:16.142000+08:00 |
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我們請台灣民眾黨團二輪發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[459].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[460].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
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2025-01-16T12:19:17.963000+08:00 |
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2025-01-16T12:19:31.012000+08:00 |
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第一個，我本來以為今天早上 11 點是要來這邊協商預算的，我沒想到來了以後，聽
柯建銘花了非常長的時間在進行人身攻擊、謾罵。 |
| transcript.gazette[460].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[461].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[461].start |
2025-01-16T12:19:35.632000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[461].end |
2025-01-16T12:19:54.479000+08:00 |
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柯建銘總召如果要進行政治攻擊、要進行謾
罵，我建議他回民主進步黨黨團開記者會就好了，沒有必要浪費這麼多人的時間。 |
| transcript.gazette[461].quality |
0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[462].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
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2025-01-16T12:19:54.479000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[462].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[462].end |
2025-01-16T12:20:06.938000+08:00 |
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也因為這個
樣子，我不會浪費大家的時間罵回去，我對於柯建銘總召有什麼指教，我回我黨團辦公室開記
者會回應就好了。 |
| transcript.gazette[462].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[463].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[463].start |
2025-01-16T12:20:09.460000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[463].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[463].end |
2025-01-16T12:20:36.735000+08:00 |
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他的習慣就是坐在那邊罵人，罵了半個多小時，現在人自己跑了，他坐在那
邊罵大家，全部的人都罵過一輪，罵完了以後，拍拍屁股人就跑了，這個就是民主進步黨立法
院黨團總召的素質跟水準，全體國人看在眼中，大家心裡有一把尺。 |
| transcript.gazette[463].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[464].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[464].start |
2025-01-16T12:20:38.195000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[464].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[464].end |
2025-01-16T12:20:43.216000+08:00 |
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第二個部分在講什麼不罷免就不是臺灣人，我是臺灣人啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[464].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[465].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[465].start |
2025-01-16T12:20:44.716000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[465].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[465].end |
2025-01-16T12:20:49.097000+08:00 |
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他可以這樣子拿機關槍掃射，謾
協 17
罵所有的人……好！ |
| transcript.gazette[465].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[466].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[466].start |
2025-01-16T12:20:49.097000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[466].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[466].end |
2025-01-16T12:20:50.097000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[466].text |
我在這裡，我沒有走啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[466].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[467].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[467].start |
2025-01-16T12:20:50.077000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[467].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[467].end |
2025-01-16T12:20:56.852000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[467].text |
就好像我現在在發言，然後他持續的在這邊進行干擾，我沒有辦法理解啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[467].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[468].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[468].start |
2025-01-16T12:20:58.093000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[468].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[468].end |
2025-01-16T12:21:02.456000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[468].text |
民進黨的
立委是跟柯建銘學的，學到這麼沒有品嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[468].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[469].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[469].start |
2025-01-16T12:21:02.456000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[469].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[469].end |
2025-01-16T12:21:05.137000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[469].text |
我坐在你前面，聽你講話好嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[469].quality |
0.083 |
| transcript.gazette[470].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[470].start |
2025-01-16T12:21:05.137000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[470].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[470].end |
2025-01-16T12:21:07.359000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[470].text |
沒有，大家都可以看得出來嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[470].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[471].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[471].start |
2025-01-16T12:21:07.359000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[471].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[471].end |
2025-01-16T12:21:11.402000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[471].text |
民進黨的立委跟柯建銘一樣，這麼沒有品嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[471].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[472].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[472].start |
2025-01-16T12:21:11.402000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[472].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[472].end |
2025-01-16T12:21:15.825000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[472].text |
就好像
好幾次我去你辦公室、議場後面協商的時候…… |
| transcript.gazette[472].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[473].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[473].start |
2025-01-16T12:21:15.825000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[473].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[473].end |
2025-01-16T12:21:18.087000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[473].text |
洗耳恭聽…… |
| transcript.gazette[473].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[474].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[474].start |
2025-01-16T12:21:18.087000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[474].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[474].end |
2025-01-16T12:21:25.832000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[474].text |
大剌剌的坐在大家的前面，菸拿起來點了就抽，請他不要做這樣的事情，視若無睹啊
！ |
| transcript.gazette[474].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[475].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[475].start |
2025-01-16T12:21:27.573000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[475].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[475].end |
2025-01-16T12:21:27.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[475].text |
繼續搞啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[475].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[476].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[476].start |
2025-01-16T12:21:27.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[476].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[476].end |
2025-01-16T12:21:28.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[476].text |
我剛才有抽菸嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[476].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[477].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[477].start |
2025-01-16T12:21:28.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[477].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[477].end |
2025-01-16T12:21:29.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[477].text |
我在抽菸嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[477].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[478].speaker |
麥委員玉珍 |
| transcript.gazette[478].start |
2025-01-16T12:21:29.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[478].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[478].end |
2025-01-16T12:21:30.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[478].text |
乖乖的聽…… |
| transcript.gazette[478].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[479].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[479].start |
2025-01-16T12:21:30.355000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[479].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[479].end |
2025-01-16T12:21:34.538000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[479].text |
在議場背後，柯建銘做過幾次這樣的事情啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[479].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[480].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[480].start |
2025-01-16T12:21:35.318000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[480].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[480].end |
2025-01-16T12:21:38.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[480].text |
傲慢、自大、目中無人！ |
| transcript.gazette[480].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[481].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[481].start |
2025-01-16T12:21:39.861000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[481].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[481].end |
2025-01-16T12:21:42.603000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[481].text |
他以為他在立
法院比較久，他愛幹嘛就幹嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[481].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[482].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[482].start |
2025-01-16T12:21:43.603000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[482].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[482].end |
2025-01-16T12:21:47.086000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[482].text |
柯建銘先生，我跟你講，立法院不是你開的啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[482].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[483].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[483].start |
2025-01-16T12:21:48.581000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[483].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[483].end |
2025-01-16T12:21:49.862000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[483].text |
立法院不是你
開的啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[483].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[484].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[484].start |
2025-01-16T12:21:51.383000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[484].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[484].end |
2025-01-16T12:22:01.851000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[484].text |
第三個部分，其實我昨天也表達過了，民進黨現在使用的伎倆是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[484].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[485].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[485].start |
2025-01-16T12:22:02.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[485].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[485].end |
2025-01-16T12:22:06.774000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[485].text |
他們使用的伎倆就是
擺明的跟你講：我沒有要協商嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[485].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[486].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[486].start |
2025-01-16T12:22:07.815000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[486].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[486].end |
2025-01-16T12:22:09.576000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[486].text |
所以浪費大家這麼多寶貴的時間在罵人。 |
| transcript.gazette[486].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[487].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[487].start |
2025-01-16T12:22:09.916000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[487].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[487].end |
2025-01-16T12:23:13.585000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[487].text |
我附和剛剛王鴻薇
委員所講的建議，請院長等一下跟大家說明一下基本的規則是什麼，如果沒有辦法有基本的規
則的話，時間寶貴，我寧願花時間把接下來……因為我們上次白紙黑字簽了協商結論，所有黨
團的總召都簽了，白紙黑字簽了兩個協商結論：第一個，是五、一、二，3 天一次會，總預算該
怎麼處理；第二個，是明天公平交易委員會的人事同意權該怎麼處理，白紙黑字大家都簽了字
，就按照那樣子的方式加以處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[487].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[488].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[488].start |
2025-01-16T12:23:17.829000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[488].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[488].end |
2025-01-16T12:23:18.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[488].text |
再來，請行政部門來說明，有道理的我們會簽。 |
| transcript.gazette[488].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[489].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[489].start |
2025-01-16T12:23:25.820000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[489].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[489].end |
2025-01-16T12:23:45.732000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[489].text |
我昨天在現
場時，警政署、消防署提供書面意見，我看完了跟黨團的同仁說：資料充足、講得有道理，我
現場就簽了，警政署署長在這邊嘛，消防署署長在這邊嘛，他們都可以印證我講的話絕對是真
的。 |
| transcript.gazette[489].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[490].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[490].start |
2025-01-16T12:23:53.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[490].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[490].end |
2025-01-16T12:24:22.483000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[490].text |
如果其他的行政單位要擺出跟卓榮泰一樣的傲慢姿態，又如果其他的行政部門看到行政院
院長卓榮泰這種傲慢的姿態，認為一定要跟院長看齊，否則可能官位不保，那我尊重他們的選
擇。 |
| transcript.gazette[490].quality |
0.948 |
| transcript.gazette[491].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[491].start |
2025-01-16T12:24:24.421000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[491].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[491].end |
2025-01-16T12:24:40.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[491].text |
我們今天在這邊協商的時候，院長知不知道您 11點主持協商，卓榮泰 11點半在行政院開記者
會罵國會？ |
| transcript.gazette[491].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[492].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[492].start |
2025-01-16T12:24:40.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[492].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[492].end |
2025-01-16T12:25:05.553000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[492].text |
對於卓榮泰所提出來的指教，我老實說我的個性是直球對決，等一下……我覺得大
家不要浪費時間，對於行政院為什麼敢這麼囂張的散播假訊息、欺騙全體國人，理由很簡單嘛
！ |
| transcript.gazette[492].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[493].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[493].start |
2025-01-16T12:25:06.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[493].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[493].end |
2025-01-16T12:25:21.734000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[493].text |
手上有一堆文宣預算啊，都給特定的媒體鋪天蓋地的抹黑在野黨，這就是他們現在正在做的
事情啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[493].quality |
0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[494].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[494].start |
2025-01-16T12:25:21.774000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[494].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[494].end |
2025-01-16T12:25:23.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[494].text |
3 兆 2,000 億史上最高的預算，台灣民眾黨黨團刪除大概 2,000 億、凍結大概 1,000 億
，共 3,000億，占百分之十，史上最高的預算才占百分之十啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[494].quality |
0.784 |
| transcript.gazette[495].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[495].start |
2025-01-16T12:25:47.711000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[495].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[495].end |
2025-01-16T12:26:03.056000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[495].text |
我們的前總統蔡英文在當民主進步黨黨主席的時候說得很好，他說當過部會首長的人就知道
，刪 10%根本不會影響政府部門的運作。 |
| transcript.gazette[495].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[496].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[496].start |
2025-01-16T12:26:05.596000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[496].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[496].end |
2025-01-16T12:26:11.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[496].text |
當過總統的蔡英文在民主進步黨黨主席任內的時候，
協 18
他怎麼說的？ |
| transcript.gazette[496].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[497].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[497].start |
2025-01-16T12:26:12.739000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[497].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[497].end |
2025-01-16T12:26:18.421000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[497].text |
當過部會首長的人就知道刪 10%不會影響政府部門的運作！ |
| transcript.gazette[497].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[498].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[498].start |
2025-01-16T12:26:18.441000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[498].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[498].end |
2025-01-16T12:26:31.042000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[498].text |
結果今天民主進步黨
、行政院院長講的好像刪 10%臺灣就要亡國了，政府會癱瘓，沒有辦法運作，那顯然是卓榮泰
的能力有問題啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[498].quality |
0.981 |
| transcript.gazette[499].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[499].start |
2025-01-16T12:26:31.062000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[499].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[499].end |
2025-01-16T12:26:31.762000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[499].text |
蔡英文都講過，當過部會首長的人都知道啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[499].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[500].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[500].start |
2025-01-16T12:26:32.562000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[500].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[500].end |
2025-01-16T12:26:34.523000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[500].text |
根本不會影響政府部門的運作
，怎麼現在的卓榮泰這麼無能啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[500].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[501].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[501].start |
2025-01-16T12:26:57.423000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[501].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[501].end |
2025-01-16T12:27:02.645000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[501].text |
3兆 2,000億刪 2,000億到 1,000億還有多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[501].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[502].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[502].start |
2025-01-16T12:27:03.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[502].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[502].end |
2025-01-16T12:27:10.967000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[502].text |
還有 2兆 9,000
億耶，2 兆 9,000 億給你花，那也算是史上數一數二高啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[502].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[503].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[503].start |
2025-01-16T12:27:12.007000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[503].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[503].end |
2025-01-16T12:27:21.270000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[503].text |
2 兆 9,000 億給卓榮泰花，卓榮泰說
不行、錢不夠，政府會癱瘓，國家政府沒有辦法運作下去啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[503].quality |
0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[504].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[504].start |
2025-01-16T12:27:22.790000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[504].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[504].end |
2025-01-16T12:27:24.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[504].text |
是立法院有問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[504].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[505].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[505].start |
2025-01-16T12:27:24.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[505].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[505].end |
2025-01-16T12:27:24.851000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[505].text |
還是你卓榮泰
有問題啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[505].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[506].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[506].start |
2025-01-16T12:27:26.557000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[506].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[506].end |
2025-01-16T12:27:27.758000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[506].text |
是立法院有問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[506].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[507].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[507].start |
2025-01-16T12:27:27.758000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[507].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[507].end |
2025-01-16T12:27:29.019000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[507].text |
還是行政院有問題啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[507].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[508].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[508].start |
2025-01-16T12:27:31.421000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[508].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[508].end |
2025-01-16T12:27:37.745000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[508].text |
我們今天是來這邊協商預算的，不是來接
受個人人格的侮辱跟謾罵的。 |
| transcript.gazette[508].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[509].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[509].start |
2025-01-16T12:27:40.107000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[509].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[509].end |
2025-01-16T12:27:53.156000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[509].text |
到目前為止，我相信院長坐在那邊心裡很有數，我們今天坐在這邊是真的在協商預算還是在
浪費時間？ |
| transcript.gazette[509].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[510].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[510].start |
2025-01-16T12:27:55.434000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[510].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[510].end |
2025-01-16T12:28:05.125000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[510].text |
還是聽執政黨立院黨團的總召在這邊進行個人人格的攻擊？ |
| transcript.gazette[510].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[511].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[511].start |
2025-01-16T12:28:05.125000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[511].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[511].end |
2025-01-16T12:28:15.196000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[511].text |
所有直播大家都看得到
，每一個公民心中都有一把尺，以上。 |
| transcript.gazette[511].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[512].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[512].start |
2025-01-16T12:28:20.211000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[512].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[512].end |
2025-01-16T12:28:25.046000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[512].text |
剛才吳思瑤委員的會議詢問，我回答一下，新收的兩個案請各黨團幹部看…… |
| transcript.gazette[512].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[513].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[513].start |
2025-01-16T12:28:25.046000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[513].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[513].end |
2025-01-16T12:28:28.585000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[513].text |
你要在那邊弄，你回來別人就不能走？ |
| transcript.gazette[513].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[514].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[514].start |
2025-01-16T12:28:28.585000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[514].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[514].end |
2025-01-16T12:28:32.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[514].text |
留下來講…… |
| transcript.gazette[514].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[515].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[515].start |
2025-01-16T12:28:32.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[515].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[515].end |
2025-01-16T12:28:41.848000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[515].text |
各黨團幹部如果對這兩個案有意見的話，可以表達不同意，我們就不能列案，沒有意見，請
自己簽字。 |
| transcript.gazette[515].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[516].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[516].start |
2025-01-16T12:28:42.828000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[516].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[516].end |
2025-01-16T12:28:52.251000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[516].text |
我想各黨團已經經過二輪發言，目前還是沒有共識，我們下午原則上就不進行協商
，請大家保持溝通。 |
| transcript.gazette[516].quality |
0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[517].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[517].start |
2025-01-16T12:28:53.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[517].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[517].end |
2025-01-16T12:28:59.634000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[517].text |
再次感謝各部會首長、各位列席的官員，辛苦大家、非常感謝大家，現在
散會。 |
| transcript.gazette[517].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[518].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[518].start |
2025-01-16T12:29:00.134000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[518].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[518].end |
2025-01-16T12:29:01.276857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[518].text |
散會（12時 29分） |
| transcript.gazette[518].quality |
0 |