| IVOD_ID |
164767 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164767 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-29T10:17:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-29T10:26:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3d43f2f62388da51961048a7735d202fb08d4a2736e01e2ba3c61875d63c7135ff111285ee9a4ebd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
呂玉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:17:23 - 10:26:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查：
行政院函請審議、本院委員王美惠等20人、委員李坤城等18人、委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人、委員賴瑞隆等16人、委員羅美玲等19人、委員賴惠員等21人、委員黃捷等22人、委員陳亭妃等17人、委員邱鎮軍等21人及委員吳沛憶等16人分別擬具「電業法第七十一條之一條文修正草案」。
二、審查：
行政院函請審議、本院委員王美惠等20人、委員李坤城等18人、委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人、委員賴瑞隆等16人、委員羅美玲等19人、委員賴惠員等21人、委員黃捷等22人、委員陳亭妃等17人、委員邱鎮軍等24人及委員吳沛憶等16人分別擬具「天然氣事業法第五十五條之一條文修正草案」條文對照表。
三、審查：
行政院函請審議、本院委員王美惠等19人、委員李坤城等18人、委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人、委員羅美玲等19人、委員賴惠員等21人、委員黃捷等22人、委員陳亭妃等17人、委員吳沛憶等16人分別擬具「自來水法第九十七條之一條文修正草案」及委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「自來水法第三條、第十六條之一及第九十七條之一條文修正草案」條文對照表。
以上全案於10月29日（星期三）進行合併詢答，10月30日（星期四）處理。
【10月29日及30日二天一次會】（請參閱開會通知單及議程）） |
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謝謝主席 請工部長我們請工部長 |
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部長 近年來在台澎金馬周遭的海域海底的纜線頻頻遭受到破壞所以我們在9月18號的時候通過了《海纜七法》的修正草案今天在我們經濟委員會我們特別排了《海纜三法》《電液法》跟《天然氣事業法》跟《自來水法》 |
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那我们就是要来保护我们这个海底这个基础的设施不要受到破坏部长但是本席认为说虽然说我们修法可以来很重要可以来保护这些措施但是除了提供我们执法的法源依据之外最重要的是我们经济部的职责在发生这些事情的时候我们可以有一个 |
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監測的方法跟我們的維護的管道那尤其是要強化海底纜線的平常時的安全的那個監測跟保護的維修的這些事情如果發生了被破壞或者是說有異常的現象的時候經濟部你的職責是應該趕快的如何跟相關的一些部會進行合作才對嘛是不是你如何進行合作是執行端因為海巡在幫我們 |
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海上的這個執法是海巡在幫我們執法感謝他們如果事情一發生我們會跟他聯繫的趕快去處理 |
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是 那因為這些法很重要啦我們現在法律修出來了也有刑法也有罰金那最嚴重的話也有扣船這些事情但是就如同你講的內政部還有我們海巡署但是你這個法正式通過之後要立即公告你要讓所有人知道這個法在這邊不要來觸法這樣子才能有效預防去嚇阻他們去犯法 |
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這個才是很重要的這個一定要嚴格去執行好不好那接下來就是要跟部長來談一談就是我們的丹納斯颱風過後很多受災的縣市疏配電的系統都受到損壞那大概台灣的電力設施都是會面臨到的就是整個颱風或是豪大雨這個韌性不足 |
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所以行政院的我們的卓院長特別針對這個電纜進行地下化的這個評估希望你們做出一個全國性電纜地下化可行性的評估報告但是本席看到你的報告裡面只有六頁都在老生常談而且講的都是在你已經在做的一些電纜的配電的疏失 |
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設施跟我們電網的這個整個設施的計畫根本就沒有分析到說我們哪些地方要做電纜地下化還有它的期程還有預算多少這些都沒有進一步的來做說我們要如何去推動那你這些都沒有提那所以本市長請問你你今天提出來的這個報告只是初步的報告嗎還是未來你有更詳細的全面的報告 |
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總經理跟王總報告委員這次丹納斯颱風的那個條例台電分配到的預算80億那我們80億呢那一條潰線下地的成本是4200萬所以各位委員就可以知道說我們能做的地下化的潰線的公里數大概只有200公里左右 |
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兩百公里呢 預算不足就編預算本席今天跟你談的就是我們卓議長要你全面去檢討一下我們所有電纜地下化的評估為什麼要做地下化就是碰到颱風碰到豪大雨 我們的韌性不足啊是不是用地下化 |
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我知道有些地段也許說地形的問題不適合做地下化但是你要評估出來嘛哪些路段要可以做了我們就要做啊你把整個計畫要怎麼去推動預算需要多少這些時程你都要規劃出來不是嗎是 |
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我們會詳細的規劃一個比較完整的所以你今天的六月都沒有講嘛但是預算的部分也要請委員多多支持我們一定會支持但是你要把所有的評估出來另外一個就是因應國際變遷的特別預算部長 這些都知道我是說今天的六月報告沒有看到這些評估 |
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所以這個評估只是你初步的嗎你未來有沒有具體的 詳細的包括整個的期程 電纜的地下的路段跟我們的預算多少的時程你通通會給我詳細的報告嗎會嗎 什麼時候會出來 |
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那個預算 我們還是啦就是比較必要性的 而且需要性的 急迫性的那個部分先來做啦因為如果要全面的話那個成本上實在是太高了部長 這叫你評估報告 不是要跟我們要預算你要把所有的評估報告出來全國哪些地段要做地下化的 |
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怎麼去推動你需要的預算的時程怎麼去做預算的分配這個告訴我們你才可以編預算才可以去推動啊今天本席沒有看到本席沒有看到所以這個只是在你們紙上唐冰嗎還在老生常談他你要如何地下化 |
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這些我們通通知道了具體的工作報告可以嗎王總經理你多少時間三個月時間提出報告好不好好那接下來本席還在提的還是因為說我們電網防災的這個韌性是非常的重要台電的整個施工的工作量也非常的有限所以是不是因為有時候救災的時候會壓縮到各縣市原先電纜地下化的工程的進度 |
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是不是這樣子跟委員報告我知道委員很關心桃園市的基層的這些檢修人力所以這邊看到大概有430人那跟委員報告從110年的406人開始我們就逐年逐年到112年就變410人到113年就變423所以事實上是對桃園區數是有 |
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請部長您看看我今天呈現給你的數字六都裡面我們比台北市多一點430人這430人在去年的時候還是407人這半個這個一年的時間增加了20幾個人我們還是缺人而且這件事情被監察院給彈劾了監察院特別指出來說你110 |
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2年的8月到113年的4月桃園地區發生了無預警的停電317件裡面有44件就是工作人員檢修人員不夠 |
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所以我的人員少是不是因為減輸的人也不夠這些人員你需要補什麼時候給我們補齊呢委員也知道台電的人員補充事實上是需要一些考試的過程要訓練的過程所以真正能夠補到桃園區處也需要一點時間要一點時間那什麼時候可以補足因為你看到六度來講我們人數是最少的 |
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我們那邊桃園整個現在正在發展也有工業區還有蟲化區等等所以我希望你把人員補足這樣子的話我們尋檢人員檢查的人員多了才會把預防性不會讓我們隨時都不預警的跳電好不好好 我們會再用比較科學的方法來補助這一塊補助人員 |
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還要用科學的方法不是啦就是你把人員聘進來就好了配合科學的方式來增加這個人員尋檢的效率來人員要夠他尋檢就會夠你尋檢夠了他檢修人員就會維護得更好好不好這是很重要的事情請你正視我們桃園的問題是是是 |