| IVOD_ID |
16475 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16475 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2025011543 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-15T13:30:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-15T16:01:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:30:43 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/cbbd4ed0b5fcd3a086ebbf7d18770eafa4be04dcd9054d4d18d20170ff19eea6f788681744d35ae45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-15T14:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院黨團協商（事由：一、研商「114年度中央政府總預算案」（公務預算部分）。二、研商「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案」、「113年度中央政府總預算追加預算案」相關事宜。（民進黨黨團提議）三、研商「野生動物保育法部分條文修正草案」等案。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:30:17 - 16:01:00 |
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好 |
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好 謝謝各位黨團幹部請坐各位列席官員請坐各位所有工作夥伴們請坐好好嗎會場有點凌亂 |
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好 謝謝各黨團代表的幹部都有到我們現在 |
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1900.159 |
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黨團協商我們就正式開始首先要向各位黨團幹部報告我們今天協商的主題是延伸114年度中央政府總預算案公務預算部分我們介紹我們今天所有列席的各部會的首長首先介紹主席總署陳主席長熱情歡迎農業部陳部長熱情歡迎內政部劉部長熱情歡迎 |
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1928.208 |
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1946.9 |
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勞動部紅部長熱情歡迎交通部陳部長熱情歡迎好 謝謝要向各位黨團幹部來報告一下我們有關114年度中央政府總預算案公務部份各黨團的提案在加計各委員會保留453案共計3296案上代寫上 |
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1956.111 |
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1973.09 |
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頭髮要掉光光二本次協商順序為先行討論通案的提案部分再依審查分配表所排定各委員會稅入稅出的部分送院會處理項目之順序討論最後我們再行討論機密預算的部分 |
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1973.951 |
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1994.881 |
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以及協商過的單位沒有未決之提案,我們不再處理現在我們請各黨團幹部表達寶貴意見,請柯總召發言王宏威署長跟黃國昌哪一位第一個齁你稍待一下嘛那請王宏威副總長請準備這有什麼好稍待的院長你 |
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1998.7 |
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我第一個發現到,第二個我先問一下,國民黨黨兵沒有來,胡文綺沒有來,這個協商是算談判會還是正式的?有效的?你必須回答這個問題,有沒有效?有效?你們總召不見了?我剛才還在演唱會有效的,而且請柯總召保持微笑我一定微笑,你的眼睛要真的笑 |
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2029.259 |
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2048.61 |
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來第二個,一年來總預算的審查我們都知道,我們把這程序先講清楚剛才院長有談到現在總共保留3996案我不知道這個有沒有包括現在委員會保留的部分還是新送案 |
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2052.651 |
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2069.281 |
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加起來齁動決案算不算?應該有嘛都有嘛有分為動決案有兩種嘛一個書面報告來就可以一個要報告後 |
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2070.802 |
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2090.569 |
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同意,也有的是要專案報告所以不同的類型,將來當然不同的處理方式那過去在這個立法院,坦白講我在這三十幾年總算也全部參加過那我們都知道,專案長在這裡 |
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2093.342 |
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2120.538 |
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大概第一個第一組總統是行政院嘛對不對那行政院在行政院以前會談一個通案性通案性先談也就是說因為我們今天當中總統總統三哨兩千億然後請問我們律師長或是委員會或是院長我們現在在委員會到底三檢有多少 |
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2124.813 |
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2135.218 |
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六七一啦六七一他怎麼分類七一點三七一大市長是什麼六十幾 |
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2158.809 |
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廣告部申請多少?也就是說現在委會已經被刪掉了總共六七億那這樣廣告部就四十八億嘛四八部十億是嗎?那個應該很清楚吧四點六億四八部 |
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2188.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
2201.337 |
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要不4.6億4.6億齁那有其他的?財政部你的幕僚要很強,你不是一送我一回 |
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2204.716 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
2223.506 |
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三兆兩千億現在,大家說要開啟人民荷包,選舉的時候都說要進入政府三點人民荷包那現在總共三點是六七億而已嘛六七億裡面包括國防部四十八億、蘇貿部四點六億、財政部將近十一億這是我們黨團統計出來的 |
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2230.839 |
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2249.334 |
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所以到最後到底要三年多少,每年都是先談,談一個總數為什麼這次TG還來做遮羞?去年三年多少?去年299吧來我看一下 |
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2253.311 |
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2259.576 |
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我們先把這個談清楚,去年299再往前就是300,然後273、256、246等等所以主席總書都有很詳細的資料所以我們現在回來談,歲數升到2 |
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2273.854 |
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2301.858 |
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那刪了就是六、七億嘛那今年是兩千三百我們換句話說這個禮儀這個三百億還有一段距離嘛但是現在總共三千兩百九十六案嘛那這三千兩百九十四案、六案這三年數多少? |
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2303.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2314.474 |
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不知道嘛有錢凍的,有剩下一塊錢的,有扛到剩下一塊錢的還有弄組結議的,呼籲條件的都有嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
2321.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2339.473 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
那現在我請教我們院長你應該去統計出來現在總共國民黨是委員會總統委員會保留453案嘛對不對那民進黨提了22案民進黨提了絕對和醫專署沒有關係啦國民黨提了2334案民進黨提了487案 |
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2350.355 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2353.521 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
這個是所謂凍結還是有13的那13有多少13有多少 |
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2361.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2390.215 |
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我希望你們統計一下好不好好不好我們要一個整體的概念我們要知道這個預算這樣走下去這個picture是怎麼樣因為這每年都是如此而且現在副總召委很清楚我們中午有訓練但是時間很急迫今天禮拜三嘛禮拜四禮拜五那現在禮拜一就結束了二十一號就結束了 |
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我發言時間是誰在限制的?院長有這個我發言時間有在限制嗎?沒有關係我們要把事情講清楚吧你們只會搞這一套要把事情講清楚嘛,院長你現在像個院長嘛哪有我在講話發言時間可以限制的所以可以限制我發言時間,我不講廢話嘛 |
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所以我現在問的問題當然是重點嘛好 院長 |
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就是說我們現在有幾天的時間嘛我們上次曹偉強有講說那個禮拜五還是下禮拜四一次會嘛那今天禮拜三禮拜四就這兩天齁那這個案子有三天多的案子齁那各部會去溝通是有效與否的我相信都沒有效啦齁那兩天時間禮拜五就可以表決齁禮拜一可以表決那大家想一想 |
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這樣走得下去嗎?走得下去嗎?這是第一點所以副委員所以我說欸我們半個禮拜要加開A會我說欸禮拜六禮拜天是公務員休息你要怎麼叫他來這是一個問題啊意思是說我們今天講的事情就是說要進入很實際的哪一個應該是可以保哪一個非 |
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會保留不可的大家要想一想那過程以後哪些案子是可以撤改為復來決議改為復來決議歷年都是這樣嘛 |
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而且那到最後面對這些測案,測案地檢測,那個需要很長的時間而且院長是要終於實施運鏈下去所以那個時間上是要掌握的 |
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所以這個包括開會時間因為你記得我們上個會期7月16號最後一天的時候我們是弄到晚上12點7月15號學長也是弄到晚上12點所以這個法定的事情要把它完成這有一定的構成和它的工程而且大家要有完全的默契否則的話 |
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我車一算審查的時候,剛好一天一句話,就把它停起來了上次,上次費榮泰當總召的時候,為華視中總經理一句話就季節協商,人就跑了,沒得協商,停了三天還要一半頭再回來,所以這方面會有很多狀況 |
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因為在野黨知道執政黨總算是你要的嘛所以他會不斷勒令你 凌遲你讓你逼著我去道歉 等等的都通常都有發生過 這不是大家都很清楚 |
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那現在很多例子也是剛剛進來這個先是預算規模是完全不一樣而且有中正總預算審查辦法都很清楚的還有一些法律要進行的這部分中平總統最清楚所以今天我們要來講就是說到底我們撐牙只有最後四天嘛 |
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三四五和一嘛走得完嗎要走得完要用什麼方式來走 |
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當然至少每天都要看 才會到12點這時間都可以到12點 走得完嗎要算一下 大家要量一下時間 估計的時間那今天到12點 走不完那勢必要面對婦女總總所囤的讓大家禮拜四要來去的假班這大家都要想好 |
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因為這個是直播,我那種太離譜的說,你這離譜都拔去我不會唱,太假了至少最後遮羞布也要演得像一點,這是我們大家自己都很清楚所以我今天要講的就是說,第一個過去是這樣 |
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通商的部分、通案的部分為什麼要談通案?談通案的時候哪些委辦費用要通商多少?出口理由會議要刪多少?包括新興建設、新興設備要刪多少?新的工程要刪多少?延續工程當然沒有,新的本年度也要刪多少? |
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所以這是一個最主要的key在這裡也就是說要把審查這個有關遊戲規則在這裡先談清楚才走得下去那這個時候就要談一個總數 |
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我們今年要刪400單元總數然後從這個部分還有裡面裡面當然有這個大包小嘛裡面被刪掉的部分會包進來嘛或是裡面都刪的部分來湊成一個大家認為還好的總數比如說400那700是不能倒出來 |
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因為也有刪,那現在我們草野鄉要怎麼弄,那把它湊滿400億,這一定要從通案開始談嘛,主要通案就是說,像我一般會用刪多少那都要談嘛,那有沒有排除條款 |
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比較機敏的機關,他真的已經是連加班費都發不出來的,你是不是要給他排除通商的部分?這一部分我相信韓院長你過去也沒有處理過,因為你過去三屆沒有等過黨兵 |
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那我應該都在黨邊的時候每年我都坐在這裡在協商所以這邊請韓議長你等一下要適宜一下好不好不然早時候要來大家談一談那當然我們也尊重各黨的意見那接下來我們兩個怎麼發言民眾黨怎麼發言我們都尊重大家再來討論嘛以上 |
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好 謝謝柯總召 接著請國民黨團請問哪一位發言黃峰威副書記長發言好 請台灣民眾黨團請準備好 謝謝主席那我想剛才柯總召一直提到就是說那我們如果現在按照我們大概三千兩百多個案子那麼處理的時間到底來不來得及那事實上現在我們如果很快速的來進入包含通案的討論 |
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還有呢各個案的討論如果我們之前其實在星期二的時候就已經說過如果大家沒有辦法達成決議的部分那當然就用意識來處理那否則的話如果我們光是在這邊一直你來我往一來一回其實那更浪費時間而且也容我來做提醒本來呢在星期二我們在那個 |
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就是主席台後面的這個院長休息室協商的時候本來呢是今天早上我們10點鐘因為院長也很著急就說早上10點鐘就要開始做協商當時也是在柯總召的建議因為你們中午有另外的一個行程嘛 |
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那所以呢到下午2點再開所以我想柯總召對於這個時間並不像他所說的一樣如果我們現在按照我們原來這個程序去做處理會有來不及的地方我覺得這個必須核心序名 |
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那另外 那柯總統他也講說這個 他說這個就預算啊 他說在野黨都知道這是執政黨要用的啊那他剛才也特別提到就說如果今天我們 |
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真的沒有辦法達成協商的這個提案數比較多的話那我們有禮拜五禮拜一跟星期二來做處理如果真的真的沒有辦法處理的話真的我們還有星期六跟星期天來做處理那當然呢基本上我們也不希望說讓公務人員去加班但是大家也都知道就是中央政府總預算通過對於公務人員也是一等一的大事 |
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因為如果我們趕快快速通過對於這些所有的公務人員來講他們也覺得應該會比較心安所以我覺得我們不需要排除星期六星期天不加開院會來做處理我覺得大家應該要有這樣的認知至少我們有這樣的認知 |
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那另外一點就是說 那麼要不要用什麼整個統刪的方式過去確實有一些就是 當時比如說當時民進黨這個習勢很多的時候可能稀哩呼嚕的做一個統刪的方式 你統刪1% 2%等等之類的 |
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可是如果統山的話事實上對於各部會的他們的就是他們的努力度還有各部會他的預算的需要度然後最後統山再來做調整其實是極不公平的而且其實對於立法院來講我覺得這也是不夠負責任的所以我們現在別說我們在通案的部分 |
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通案部分因為我知道民眾黨有提出好幾個這個通案的部分如果我們這邊先行討論通案的部分如果定案那麼在三千多個案子裡面別說有出國費用的啦或水電費等等的 |
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那我們可以依照這個通案就來做解決可能就已經可以刪除掉就是整個就pass掉好幾個案子就過去了吧因為我們先行來做一個這個大體的討論那但是呢終究各部會的狀況不一樣啦甚至呢比如說我們這次基本上我們都會對媒體宣傳廢那麼在野黨幾乎有一個同樣的想法這次要大砍 |
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但是在我跟各部會去溝通過程裡面當然也發現說有些部會它確實有它的一個必要性跟需要性我們在理解了之後我覺得確實可以把一些部會它的特殊性我個人覺得是可以把它特殊性給它剔除 |
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那所以我覺得我們還是應該好好的去針對那每一個提案的部分我們都來做討論剛才講就是說因為柯總統一開始從星期二說他絕對不能去限制他的發言 |
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限制發言喔不是說是限制立法委員的職權限制發言是我們對各部會的預算更公平的去做處理否則有時候前面我們比如說我們第一個排名第一個是內政委員會我們花了落落長大部分的時間 |
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那排名到後面他根本沒有時間給他好好討論他想要來爭取他的預算他也沒有時間來爭取他的預算這樣反而不公平所以在這邊也具體的來建議主席 院長我覺得不是說限制發言不是說是牽制我們立法委員的職權而是我們在預算的審查過程裡面我們給每一個委員會 |
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他們所有的部會讓他們有足夠的時間被討論還有他們要辯護啊他們要足夠的時間辯護前面通通都內政部內政委員會一直辯護一直辯護到後面排到後面的倒楣了沒時間了那我們就全部要上戰場一起去做這個議事處理我覺得這反而是不公平的所以我覺得在因為我們現在是做一個大體討論我覺得我們進入開始討論的時候我認為還是要有一些時間的 |
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限制也好 調配也好 控制也好我覺得這是必須的以上 謝謝 |
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各位親愛的院長依照我們上一次協商的結論是這個禮拜三、四、五、三天來進行總預算的協商下個禮拜一、禮拜二我們針對沒有辦法處理或是共識的部分來進行表決各黨團都已經簽字同意下禮拜一、禮拜二我們來進行處理表決的時候不發言而且也不做重複表決這個是本來的基礎 |
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那在這個基礎之上如果因為有什麼特殊的需求 |
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或者是情勢的變更要變動也不是不行那就看哪一個黨團提案譬如說那星期五是不是就不要協商改處理那或者是說星期五同時協商同時處理我的意思是說我們現在在進行的程序是依照上一次白紙黑字三個黨團大家都簽名的程序在進行處理那我們 |
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依照上一次黨團協商共識我們也都把時間全部都騰出來了全部都騰出來了那只要有協商的通知我們人就會到現場配合整個我們本來黨團協商的共識來加以處理 |
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至於說在時間的分配上如果我們把大的時間分配的架構訂了我先舉個例子假設等一下沒有任何的黨團要提議變更本來協商的內容我們還是訂三四五協商一二來表決處理的話我是認為剛剛王宏威委員所講的內容是有道理的 |
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就各個部會我們分配到八大委員會依照八大委員會目前所有的提案數來合理的分配我們協商的時間我覺得對於順位排在後面的部會相對而言會比較公平一點我們在整個時間的使用上也會比較有效率一點以上是針對程序的部分 |
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那第二個部分是說剛剛民主進步黨的總召柯建民提議說我們是不是先講一個大的數字決定要刪多少錢那可能這樣子的方法我不太理解啦過去是不是真的都是這樣子處理的我了解每一次審預算的時候都有所謂統三的項目那但是那個只有統三的項目 |
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那後面還是有其他個別委員的提案那我不太理解說那我們現在是真的要討論說在三兆兩千億的預算當中我們先來喊個價決定要砍多少 |
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然後再往後走嗎這樣子的預算審查程序我覺得非常的奇怪我覺得非常的奇怪因為感覺好像在喊價嘛那第三個部分是從過去這幾年我們可以很清楚看得出來我們中央政府總預算的規模不斷的在膨脹膨脹的速度跟膨脹的幅度都相當的驚人譬如說2020年的時候 |
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2020年的時候我們稅出的總預算是兩兆一千零二十二億到今年我們在處理2025年的時候已經到三兆兩千億的規模短短的五年間從兩兆一千零二十二億 膨脹到2025年的三兆兩千億 |
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膨脹的速度跟膨脹的規模我必須要說非常非常的驚人那過去這幾年在處理總預算的時候我們在處理有關於統三的項目的時候其實一開始通案就是要處理統三的部分嘛 |
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那通案如果說要處理統三的部分的話過去每一年針對哪一些項目統三多少錢我覺得這個都可以拿出來討論這個沒有問題但我希望我代表台灣民眾黨黨團的立場在開始進行所謂預算協商之前我希望要審預算要協商預算可以就好好的協商好好的討論 |
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不要還沒有開始協商的時候啊就先給人家扣帽子抹紅抹黑的我為什麼這樣講昨天我們公布了台灣民眾黨黨團我們所有預算不管是刪減還是凍結的提案了以後民主進步黨黨團馬上說什麼馬上說我們 |
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在統三的部分軍事設備大砍百分之三啊所以任何的軍事設備都是國安所需啊坐實藍白 劍指 國防 預算兩黨都是中共的在地協力者我要抗議這種說法我要抗議這種說法什麼時候開始審預算之前先給人家扣紅帽子啊說人家是中共的在地協力者 |
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這什麼態度啊我完全沒有辦法接受這種抹紅式的抹紅式的處理方式如果是這樣子的話有什麼好協商的就不用協商了嘛一開始協商以前先給人家扣猴帽子更離譜的事情是什麼講統三軍事設施3%就已經成為中共的在地協力者來 我們來看一看過去 |
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幾年統三的預算當中軍事裝備及設施統三多少2019年統三百分之四2020年統三百分之四2021、2022、2023統三百分之三過去這幾年不是百分之四就是百分之三請問過去這幾年贊成統三預算的這些全體立法委員是不是都是中共的在地協力者 |
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是嗎話可以這樣講的嗎話可以這樣說的嗎我的統三喔以台灣民眾黨黨團來講外交國防我們已經是特別支持了刪的特別少的動的也特別少結果昨天預算提案一出來不講道理先扣紅帽子統三軍事設施及設備是中共的在地協力者 |
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可以講這種話我再請問一次啊從2019年2020年統三百分之四請問那時候的立委是不是全部都是中共在地協力者過去三年統三百分之三同意的立委全部都是中共在地協力者 |
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過去我還是只有講這幾年過去在國民黨執政馬政府時期2011年2012年2013年2014年到2015年軍事裝備及設施全部統三百分之五全部統三百分之五 |
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如果今天民主進步黨黨團對在野黨所提出來的污蔑跟抹紅可以成立的話那我們過去這十年贊成軍事設備統三從百分之五、百分之四到百分之三全體的立法委員是要用外犯罪送辦嗎堂堂的執政黨堂堂的執政黨要處理預算 |
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你要護航自家的預算我沒意見啊全體國民都在看嘛但你護航自家的預算護航到抹紅在野黨啊無法接受啊謝謝黃國昌總召的發言在柯總召發言之前我想跟三個黨團幹部來協調一下請三個黨團來聽一下剛才根據三個黨團的說法萬一我們在17號星期五以前沒有達成協商 |
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那有的提出禮拜六星期六星期天繼續加開院會有的認為公務員要休息岂其不可那我調和一下我們嘗試擬一個草案徵詢大家的意見就是說 |
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如果我們沒有辦法在17號完成協商那我們各黨團同意1月18號星期六1月19號星期天請聽清楚繼續召開朝野協商不是開院會不是開院會所有的立法院同仁都要上班就是我們這個朝野協商就繼續開那繼續開開到什麼呢我們繼續星期六星期天加開兩天朝野協商那我想這樣的話呢既有效率 |
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又不會造成一些其他要休息的公務人員受到影響不曉得各位黨團同意不同意柯市長我們請針對這個好不好 現在請院長你現在是有很多題目要談你可以針對這個我同意但是我現在講的話不是只有針對你這個問題回答我要回答他們說的問題我們才會解決嘛 |
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你聽我講嘛你組織會議要有點技巧嘛我先會回答你的問題嘛接下來他們的問題我也要回答嘛你想自主回答後面的問題嗎不可能的事情嘛好不好你們老是搞這一套來我先回答啦我講話你們講話我都沒有意見我講話你也有意見的你來駁斥我沒有問題好不好第一個 |
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那天在協商的時候說今天下午兩點半後來改兩點是什麼情況大家都在黃國昌也在大家都在你也在你用這個來拗我可以一直跟你講你不要學習小青你要講真話你要天天亂拗這是不對的等一下我再回答就好了好不好 |
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你當幹部的人應該要有程度上的一個莊嚴性啦幹部的人都要講真話嘛那其他人即使會用來攻擊你我都沒有去見你誰罵我都沒你但是在朝夕協商的時候我們要談真的事情當然有辦法處理事情院長你不用很無奈那樣的 |
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對不對你對我的表情都有意見我在眼巴巴看著你好 感謝感謝所以我第一個要先講院長那天是怎麼講的因為我們今天下午今天中午我們三個人都在一起 |
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你還有蕙琦還有我我們共產黨參加什麼?施明德四四基金會剛好一周年在銀山飯店因為我們兩個都是施明德基金會的董事所以我們勢必要參加本來今天賴總統也要去嘛 他們太忙了陳吉院長也一定去的 他們跟施明德非常好 |
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那是在附近中所以我今天開頭就講你也很清楚那天我結帳的時候 婚姻協在 大家都在嘛 |
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你們本來說早上九點,我說院長要注意一下,那天下午中國沒有參加,可能十一點半以前都要離開今天會搞多久,總不能坐一下就跑掉,我們是董事嘛少數幾個董事而已,那現在陳文憲身體也不好不能來了嘛那殷遠良今天好像也沒有來,殷遠良應該也來嘛,都幾個董事而已嘛好 |
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那今天我要講就是說,因為這樣所有難聽,當天我們在那裡談的時候,在硬朗市談,我說誒,我們是搞定,誒,那等一等,要賀文,要賀文到兩年半所以大家異口同聲說,那我們下午還開始,反正大家心情不錯啦 |
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一塊包括黃國昌現在跑的就是說我們有幾個結論嘛就是說總算在議場表決的時候第一個不發言也不重複表決反正發言沒有人能夠說服對方嘛該砍一定對方一定要砍有立場的我們就表決書就算了嘛 |
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所以那天講了,大家很愉快把它簽起來,我也講說,大家用學生共識他生多少,由於中度去出來,歷年都如此,大家都很愉快啊,所以才定下說, |
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禮拜五還是禮拜六禮拜五還是禮拜一那只有一次會嘛只有一次會那另外就是到21號所以剛才黃國昌講錯了哪來22號21號就休會了嘛所以剛剛黃國昌還談到了22號還有時間 |
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就是大家要把時間掌握得很精準,講話要很精準才能往下走下去,因為這是很嚴肅的事情這不是國事論壇,也不是記者會所以第一個,黃威常常講一句話,這個事情才開具人罵 |
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說核心繫民,好像講到很專業的樣子核心繫民就講錯了我們剛才一開始講說就是講下午兩點半開始嘛那你何必在那邊弄我呢?弄我沒有用的嘛我又吐錯了好像突然之間很專業的樣子好,那我們現在要談的幾個問題,當然各位高見 |
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我雖然剛剛離開,但是我要後面休息坐一下,走來走去但是眼睛來聽各位在講什麼第一個,剛剛講的統三以前都是民進黨多數的時候國外民進黨多數的時候就是如此 |
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反對民進黨多數民進黨多數的時候全部給你們整得非常酷啦我告訴你從我進行議員到現在 |
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我們民進黨表決會贏只有蔡英文執政那八年我二十二年的時間我在立法院三十年二十二年的時間表決從來沒有贏過就算沒贏啊因為少數表決一定輸嘛像我們現在少數表決一定輸阿伯輸十幾也一定輸嘛所以怎麼走就怎麼輸可是呢我們還是有諸法遊戲規則至少要講出一個道理出來 |
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至少我們要贏得民心嘛這是民主制才能這樣走下去嘛怎麼說我們為什麼說民進黨多數的時候才有去統戰多少反而民進黨多數的時候在民進黨少數執政的時候給我們黨整個幾乎臨時啦我講一個例子就好八百的所有執政我們少二十席 |
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兩千年兩千年你是多少二十席那今天你們六十二席當然按照表格論書啊這是天經地義的啊本來就是如此在阿本執政的時候給國民黨怎麼臨時讓砍預算所以後來才講說再怎麼野蠻也不應該如此去砍農業部的預算、環境部的預算、環文化部的預算共產黨從頭到尾都站著站著以後砍預算要小心 |
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剛剛很小心以後就大家就談一談合理數字可是國民黨頭腦沒有這麼差他整個民進黨是算客的所以當年講好總運算一百五十億兩百億全部簽好了 |
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所以我曾經發明一個要表決前他只能丟出來因為任何案子要表決前都可以拿出來我們今天所有案子都是一樣 |
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所以補貼錢都可以拿出來因為你看國民黨不是黃國昌常常在修正在修正就是出版補貼錢我們不知道內容是什麼都可以拿出來總之算什麼等於措施性法律但是總之算有一三法五十二條規定可以做一些附帶求求先提期限但依法不合則無效 |
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所以是議長講的是互來條件所以只有互來決議這怎麼會卡六法全書從來沒有一個主決議所以在加拿大都沒有主決議根本都是為此反正依照法議案的存續法律法議案只有互來決議而已而且法議案的互來決議只有互來決議一個人反對就沒有了 |
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這是這樣的 等一下 阿伯 阿伯我再繼續講就是說 我要駁斥就是說 國民黨不是民進黨都是搞這一套國民黨多數的時候才是搞這一套 因為這樣比較快 以前我都專門跟廖友本協商的嘛 |
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好 我們現在回來就是說剛才有幾個講錯 當然我也尊重你們不統三 還是不論統三 不論個別三我們都尊重 都尊重 都尊重你們完全不統三 我也尊重因為 你想你們多數網站都怎麼樣只有任你們宅哥而已嘛 任你們樓運而已嘛但是到最後 大家回到道理上面來講 |
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沒有關係 我都以尊重我們現在看到很多部委都被什麼凍結凍結預算只剩下一塊錢了 入委會啊 檢修部等等我們都尊重 沒有關係那凍結並沒有酸 那個比酸還厲害所以你們出很多怪招難怪我們今天報紙都寫出來連週十聯合都在罵所以你自己要清楚 |
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我們都尊重,等一下可以,你說完全不同山,OK我們都尊重,以後你逼逼謝謝我,我要謝謝你讓我講話好不好這是我的前例我現在講的都是重點啦,等一下我們才能走下去啊到底是這樣,我要講廢話嗎 |
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所以你要不統三,我尊重不能統三,不能一定要三的,我尊重只有全部不統三,我都同意所以這個你們自己決定,我們少數,這是第一個要講 |
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那是有關於國務黨當然講的嘛他們有針對各部會各部會要攻擊農外部你這個有關於工程收購你又搞這一套了你印記要算多少我都聽到你們在講嘛三億、百億等誰...這是你們的潛力但是你要面對最後的民意而已啦這一點齁請林世民可能比較理性你隔壁那個範圍王可能拿起來亂搞 |
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我有一些耳聞啦 好不好那我坦白講 沈逸帥的時候不是像想像中簡單我們都盡量和諧 我都盡量 啊 大家不要說 尤氏會講清楚就好了沈逸帥過去 有一個案子可以一天吵一天啦浪費你很多時間 那我明天還要趕著召集 |
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你不道歉可以卡三天,都有,實際上都是有的所以我們今天要講的就是說今天大家有限時間面對整個國家中央政治總預算你連三個月的水準一起去抓,看你能不能合法要監督政府不要亂搞,你把政府搞垮是你自己要負責我先講清楚 |
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何仙繫銘好不好接下來黃國昌何仙繫銘是你有愛你以前議會沒有講這個何仙繫銘來我一一回答當然沒有時間我會講KID |
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我要把這講完,大家要怎麼樣才能夠迎刃而解重點黃國昌大委員,我最喜歡吐他的臭,他最喜歡吐我臭常常他現在都很忍耐,不會跟我黑黑叫,因為我不插他嘴他就沒辦法了只能等下插他嘴他跳起來,他跳起來跑掉也不好所以這是我們大家要忍耐一下,好好講 |
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有些是對的,沒有錯從那天講,學商很愉快我覺得說不發言,也不從不表決對可是他現在又講到一個但是各位假如要改變你的時候全部不學商來表決,他還贊成我都尊重 |
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但是各位,這些有三千多個案,這樣保留下來,你要追保安表而去,你按到天亮,但一個月要按不完。重複表決再保結,這樣一個月要按不完。以前黃金平在的時候,曹偉強是我一個人坐下來,所以各部會,沒有說先去溝通的。 |
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在現場顯輸贏,政府進來,政府拿些案子,在場有一件,馬上辯論,馬上顯輸贏現在發明一套,要先去溝通 |
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是被凌遲而已嘛,因為小助理就可以把立委罰站或趕出去,或是算是罵,這個在立法院罵到連隔壁的人都看不下去,排一整排好像在捏米粉的,好像去吃飯的,這個今年何在? |
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行政部門的尊嚴何在?其實沒有在黨也不會這樣所以今天講清楚好像你們在黨要講清楚只要混合制的 |
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還是單純的協商或是協商混合式或是完全不協商全部一表決你們自己決定好不好你們自己決定我完全奉陪等一下再來柯總召你到現在還沒有回到我剛剛提出來的那個你陸續後面發言沒有沒有我發言太長了嘛我講清楚以後再發言院長 |
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主席 有這麼多人可不可以互相尊重一下尊重講話嘛 我把話講完嘛 你們現在怕我講到我要跟黃國昌咨詢罪責 你們在怕什麼 |
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主席一句都插不了嘴你怎麼會這樣子呢你聽主席講一下嘛對不對我們一直都尊重你啊一直在尊重嘛你講那麼久主席只是說聽主席講一下話這麼困難嗎 |
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你尊重別人這麼困難嗎你尊重我把話講完嘛一個人講四十分鐘你讓主席講一下好不好你不能讓主席講一下好不好他講的很有道理現在預算規模不一樣2000年的時候是兩兆一總算多少 |
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到現在是二零二五年是三到二所以不能統三兩百變成四百這有道理但是呢我都能夠接受那這個事實上為什麼能夠分到三到二以前兩到一代表我們執政的時候把經濟搞得很好所以說才增加嘛才有可能這樣這不是急債來的 |
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這個財政記憶法是存在的最後最重要,還沒一開始就沒黑沒紅我告訴你,你說你跟人家說,這個有道理那一黨那個表,設備通關3%那通關3%的時候,一日設備通關3% |
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但是今年情況比較不一樣我請問,潛艇的運算可以通山嗎?有一個機敏,國家很需要戰機的維護,那可以通山嗎?無人機可以通山嗎? |
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這些都是和國家安全非常重要的你可以通商嗎所以這個要分這個是用這個來騙的用這個來騙的你們藏了嘛藏了多少東西所以我們胡適耀根本沒有我而已他根本沒有某黑某紅你 |
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司法造勢是因路人皆知的,我們要講清楚嘛所以我們今天要談國務黨的案子,國務黨...柯文召對不起,我不能再讓你發言了太不尊重其他人了,一個人講40分鐘 |
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我們不是在辯論 我們在協商已經會一個小時了 你都不講 |
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你以為我是白癡啊?你這什麼主席啊?我講的是國家安全的問題你今天不讓我講我也不讓你講國家安全嗎?你不要講國家安全嗎?那你為什麼不讓我講話?那既然他說我...我可以回答嗎?我可以回答嗎? |
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我這樣講因為柯總統講到現在還沒有還沒有同意禮拜六禮拜天是不是加開朝野協商 |
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因為我們先確定我們會議的時間再來討論我們議案我現在跟各黨團幹部報告柯文聰你剛剛說要答應我你針對禮拜六禮拜天加開草野協商你要同意還是不同意你講了三十多分鐘你還沒有同意禮拜天有禮拜天加開草野協商我們不加開院會可以嗎院長 |
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你們要怎麼樣,要加開,我絕對沒有意見你們不同山要全部表決,我還沒有意見我們先處理開會的時間,不是討論我們不是討論一些內容嘛,先確定開會的時間嘛我們在野黨是少數,全部配合不是,我們先確定開會的時間我們現在就簽字囉禮拜六禮拜天加開草野協商我們不加開院會 |
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好請黃國昌請那個我尊重院長會議的主持啦但我可能要懇求院長一件事三個黨團的發言我覺得基本上還是要公平剛民主進步黨黨團進行了第二輪發言那其他兩個黨團是不是也有相同的機會來進行第二輪發言那時間上我們都尊重院長的設定院長如果要設定譬如說三分鐘五分鐘給大家一個清楚的時間我們都願意遵守但我覺得 |
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各個黨團有公平發言的機會這個是一個重要的原則民主進步黨黨團剛剛已經玩了第二輪了嘛那其他的黨團是不是應該有第二輪的機會然後請院長採釋好 那個總統幹部長 容許我再講你不要壓麥克風嘛我講這個主席要怎麼講我可以講一個鐘頭這種招 你不要壓麥克風發言好嗎 |
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不只他各位黨團幹部因為我們有這麼多的案子當然要大家我們自己來控制一下發言時間那我剛剛所提的這些先確定我們星期六、星期天要不要加開朝野協商我們先針對這個議題大家來發言發言完畢之後我們就確定了實際的議程那到預算內容的時候大家可以各自發揮好嗎好 我們請傅坤吉總統請 |
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院長辛苦了我想先對剛剛院長所提出來是不是我們六日啊能夠來進行朝野協商那基本上柯總統剛剛也表達他願意配合 |
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那基本上在我們發言的同時我建議院長就已經把抄襲協商的結論先給大家簽就不用影響到我們現在持續的發言好不好那第二個就是當然我們還是國民黨還是保持持續善意的溝通啦但是我在這裡也提醒一下院長抱歉我也提一下院長我要請問一下哪一個全世界哪一個先進的民主國家 |
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國會議員的發言是沒有限制時間的,在哪一個民主的國會,他的發言可以肆意妄為,要講一天也好,要講半天也好,個人獨白也好,還是幾十年來的牢騷都可以講。 |
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這個真的我們要一個制度到底發言時間是多長你可以講一輪講兩輪講三輪沒有關係因為大家是一樣的平權都可以來講話但不能老是因為這已經一年了我們已經忍讓了一年了大概我們每次講話 |
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今天因為剛好柯總知道腳不太舒服在旁邊走來走去不然平常我們的講話都很難順利講完中間都要被他插話 插個七八次算正常那 院長我們還是 |
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不能永遠叫在野黨去忍讓我們的發言到底是多少時間這個要一個明確化如果他們一輪民主進步黨執政黨如果認為他一言的一輪的發言不能不能把他的重點講完可以第二輪再來講沒有關係那這是一個事情要拜託院長來主持這個會議程序才不會像今天這麼多的委員不滿因為大家羈押太久了 |
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羈押太久了 您做的財處我相信大家都會支持那再過來一個就是我們本來今天兩點鐘就要開始協商這個總預算的內部實質的協商那我想柯總召剛剛大筆一揮我們要這樣耗掉一個多小時那現在是不是可以拜託一下 |
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因為既然有三千多案其實歷年來也差不多是這個數字也差不多是兩三千案 三四千案也差不多啦那是不是 我想是不是就懇請院長我們在協商每一案的時候協商每一案的時候 時間不能超過多少 |
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因為基本上基本上我想我們提案的委員或許要表達也可以或許不表達那如果執政黨要發言就一次違憲我們就要下一案那一次是多少時間明確就針對該案來表達意見就好我們要再次強調這一年來國民黨一直非常理性的 |
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在立法院尊重院長的指示以及我們立法院所有的議事規則我們都照這樣來進行但這一年下來每一次在干擾議事不能開會的佔領主席台的往往都是執政黨我們還要很費力量的去排除 |
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被佔據的這個主席台才能夠順利開會這我們深表遺憾但是更讓大家覺得不解的就是國會議員來監督行政機關對所有預算的執行不管是刪除也好 不管是凍結也好今天國防部的部長顧立雄先生對於說我們潛建國造 |
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5283.512 |
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要怎麼樣的來保護我們的國防今天不管朝野有哪一個黨在反對而且事實上也是依照顧立雄部長的要求他114年他只要用2億但是就很奇怪服變了一個20億那明確問了他只要用2億為什麼要編個20億所以18億的凍結是這樣子來的但是呢鋪天蓋地的這些網軍跟側翼啊 |
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5313.445 |
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一直在攻擊我們這個事情這個是國防部的部長顧立雄自己要求的那我們按照民進黨執政黨所派任的國防部顧立雄部長他的要求來做成這樣的一個提案就變成是我們又代表哪一種勢力在這裡不斷地攻擊不斷地抹黑 |
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那對於啦 這個總計算已經到三兆多對這施起義的這個媒體文宣啦我想這個已經是整個台灣的一個悲哀啦一個執政者已經握有所有的權力他沒有好好的來跟在野黨溝通也沒有召開國事會議我不曉得賴總統到今天為止 |
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他沒有去參加施明德主席的這個名單的今天中午的宴會他當然很唏噓 他不能去啊因為在那種年代裡面施明德主席願意讓朝野喝大海節的咖啡大家坐下來談但是今天已經整整超過一年了賴清德總統您當選超過一年 |
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有沒有要來召開國事會議有沒有來跟所有的在野黨來溝通我們完全看不到這個國家元首該有的行為嗎然後再用了人民的血汗錢現在百工百業多麼辛苦台灣的觀光竟然農曆年住房率只有三成多百工百業如此的辛苦而此時此刻 |
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還有這麼多的網軍側翼拿了人民的血汗錢在這裡死一萬尾來攻擊在野黨來做各種的攻堅所以啊這個執政者就是錢已經多到像這個黑熊學院連我們警政署要怎麼做防衛還要請黑熊學院拿兩千多萬來教大家防衛 |
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更好笑的是內政部長劉世芳還要辦家庭遊會要請黑熊學院來辦他甚至否認這個事情然後當密件被大家查到以後又說我還沒發包這舉例也不一定是他而劉世芳部長又通令各縣市這個密件不能給民代看到為什麼一個執政者用這種鬼鬼祟祟啊見不得光的態度 |
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我們在這裡再次強調一個執政者應該有寬大的胸襟 慧紅的格局應該好好的來對國家發展的方向大家來溝通不是到處藏這種錢用人民的血汗錢 養網軍養側翼來攻擊在野黨這不是一個執政者該做的態度 |
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那還是回到我們今天是總預算的朝野協商我敦請院長我們已經忍受了一年了敦請院長全世界哪一個民主國家的發言是沒有時間限制的請告訴我請告訴我那是不是每次一個人的獨白一天的會議就沒有了而且剛剛講到是不是啊大家現在談統三要三多少額度 |
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這也是柯總召提出來的我都沒有發言 我們都敬表尊重因為這是你的看法接著下來又回馬槍他國防預算可以捅三嗎 潛艦可以捅三嗎無人機可以捅三嗎我們彷彿是格式啊才半小時前柯總召自己講的半小時以後他才來否定這個東西說怎麼可以捅三那我們實在聽不懂了前後也不對題啊 |
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那所以說我們還是回到說我們主案的來審查尊重各個委員的提案這才是一個國會議員該做的事情我們早以前該做的事情好不好 謝謝我們請黃國昌總召請二人發言謝謝主席喔我還是針對事情先從頭到尾可能要做一些清楚的理解剛剛柯建民總召在離場的時候 |
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他指責在場其他黨的代表是跳樑小丑賣國跳樑小丑賣國我們沒有辦法接受這樣子抹紅的謾罵我們現在是在進行黨團協商 |
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先對總預算進行黨團協商啊堂堂執政黨的總編總召指著其他黨團的代表說我們都是跳梁小丑在賣國請問這是什麼態度啊可以這樣子嗎第二個就是論事來談 |
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軍事裝備及設施我相信每一年我們編國防預算軍事裝備及設施當然都很重要每一年都很重要2019年的時候那個時候最緊張也很重要2020年也很重要2021年也很重要 |
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結果剛剛柯建民總召他把他們黨團幹部抹紅為了要辯護他們抹紅在野黨這一種不實的言論說今年不一樣那奇怪了那代表是過去這幾年曾經被統三的軍事設備裝備百分之五到百分之三過去這十年那些錢都不重要 |
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我們現在不是在講統三百分之五十或百分之七十或百分之九十的軍事設施欸百分之三欸百分之三欸我們提案欸從過去歷年統一的標準最低的百分之三提案結果竟然被我們執政黨的立委抹紅成什麼中共的在地協力者喔可以做這種事喔可以做這種事喔 |
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什麼叫做中共的在地協力者那我就要請教啊過去這十年贊成統三的全體立法委員是不是全部都是共匪還是全部都是匪夷諜在堂堂的國會殿堂上面對其他的在野黨按照以前的前例所提出來統三的議案可以這樣抹紅喔可以這樣抹紅喔那這個就印證到 為什麼 |
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我們要在媒體宣傳費用上面大砍嘛因為即使是不實的言論啊即使是抹紅的言論啊他們鋪天蓋地的用他的媒體優勢啊根本沒有在做事實查核啊要抹紅就抹紅啊這就是我們現在台灣的民主啊所在面對的狀況這個事情很嚴肅啊 |
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我一定要把它講清楚台灣民眾黨黨團對於我們的國防預算支持的程度是在所有部會裡面不管三檢的金額跟額度提案數我特別交代我們所有黨團的成員支持台灣的國防結果呢我們換來的是什麼換來的是按照以前的通例 |
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指三百分之三被你民主進步黨抹紅成是中共的在地協力者我再強調一次我無法接受我無法接受最後如果按照執政黨的這種態度的話我呼應剛剛柯建民總召所講的 |
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他說 可以不用協商啦要直接處理 他通通都同意啊我應該沒有記錯他剛出去以前是這樣講的嘛那如果是這樣子的話 案子這麼多嘛我就呼應柯建民總召剛剛所講的啊 |
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要直接處理他通通都同意啊台灣民眾黨黨團競表同意就按照柯建民總召剛剛所講的說法我們直接處理我們直接處理台灣民眾黨黨團同意所以我建議等一下協商結論是不是明天早上4點鐘明天早上9點鐘 明天禮拜四嘛明天還是開委員會嘛 |
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對 那沒有關係啊我們就從星期五早上九點鐘開始直接就進場處理了然後處理到下禮拜二剛好有三個整天的時間可以做處理嘛因為我們上次在學商結論的時候已經講得很清楚了沒有重複表決這種事喔 |
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沒有重複表決這種事白紙黑字都簽了今天我們是本於善意坐在這一邊參與協商但我坐在這邊參與協商我不是坐在這邊讓你抹紅指著我的鼻子說我是中共的在地協力者按照以前的通歷3%是中共的在地協力者講這種話會不會太過分啊 |
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兩位黨團的幹部,國民黨團跟台北黨,針對星期六星期天加開草野協商,同意還是反對?這個還沒講 |
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院長大家都沒有意見你台灣民眾黨還沒簽嘛台灣民眾黨講得很清楚我現在要徵詢一下還沒有簽所以我才問嘛不是啦我是呼應啦剛剛柯建民總召所以我才不簽嘛院長你提出來的是禮拜六禮拜天來協商嘛但柯建民總召剛剛離場的是說不用協商我們直接來處理嘛那我為什麼沒有簽完全呼應他的說法所以我提議啦星期六星期天 |
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星期六星期天就加開院會直接處理要不然剛剛柯建民總召很擔心嘛大家一直按表決器時間會不夠星期六星期天就開院會來處理我不會同意你發言你等一下你先讓我處理開會的時間我等他講完我要講 |
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因為那個剛才黃總召我給你報告柯總召的意思是說如果要表決他接受如果要協商之後大家達成共識他也接受他不是說只有單一他有說到兩次所以現在星期六星期天要不要加開朝野協商關於這個提案大家同意不同意我們先確定這個再發言好請 |
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星期六星期天喔 要加開院會這件事情加開草野協商就沒有必要啊 就按照剛剛K建民的發言完全沒有必要啊院長他反對啦 好啦院長他反對 那我們就趕快協商吧好 我們先休息十分鐘院長 您再怎麼休息 等一下讓我來讓 |
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你不要跑啊 何柏峰在講瞎話嘛 自己講是自己表決的啊你現在要咬我 你老是講...短一個人講了一個小時你有沒有尊重其他開會的人啊柯總統你有沒有尊重其他開會的人啊 |
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好,謝謝,歡迎各位黨團幹部請坐柯總召,來,你在,我已經看到,來,好,小心小心,走路小心好,謝謝各位黨團幹部請坐,剛才在休息前我們柯總召有舉手要求發言你,你,拜託拜託拜託,黃狗黃狗 |
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我們請柯總召發言院長各位委員同仁針對程序性問題各黨都有發言 |
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那副總召黃總召發言要反逼我,當然我要回應發言那反映黨也知道這個道理首先我要對於副分級總召講一句話我曾經跟你講過你要限制我開會發言的時間,除了你把我打死黎明而死,不末而生 |
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你說全世界沒有一個國家沒有限制每一個國家都有限制只有一個國家已經講錯了只有一個國家在中國限制發言的時間限制發言 |
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你知道美國最有名的叫Free BusterFree Buster是什麼就是說你可以去發言你從你站起來走到發言台然後到開始發言都不能中斷所以從站起來走到發言台就開始太空漫步 |
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三進三退,這樣都搞了一整天然後呢,站上去發言的時候,這個是不可以中斷你說不可以停,停就不可以了所以曾經有人講過,這樣都搞了一個禮拜 |
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這是民主的展現所以只有 不容易看人出來所以只有中國限制發言 不能發言 全部舉手表決就像我們韓院黨主持兩次的議會所以很多事情都亂講 都亂說所以你們是在實踐民主 我們要反民主 |
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你們是假民主,然後再反民主各位,從立法案這一屆開始我們忍受韓院長以及你們這一干人等這樣的柔韻然後踐踏國會,沒收國會你們先5月17號國會改革方案 |
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假改的話你先擺在占領主義台占領主義台以後然後黃國昌在直播那種靜笑臉孔現在有點消瘦然後呢就 |
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用典型表決這個誰發明的請周恩來你要解釋一下可以這樣搞嗎我在立法院30年來30年來從沒有看過這樣的東西這種叫民主嗎沒有人說時間到也不協商也不能委員會也不能講話沒人說要到議會一個月到就表決要表決的時候也沒有先協商違反議事規則 |
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68條,直接寫了68條68條是院長存在最重要的一個條文當有議案或是糾紛解決的時候院長必須怎麼樣?必須主動來處理另外一個,有黨團行動給院長,院長也要處理這是一晚所有能夠存在的是這個道理王晉民院長的時候是怎麼樣呢? |
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一個法案一個法案協商22次那就是使你安全管理法要扣到沒收也曾經我進來的時候第一屆我進來的時候一個法案協商23次使你安全管理法有跟油品自由化的問題所以這個立法案的民主是這樣產生的協商以後 |
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有捷運,有幾條沒有捷運,就那幾條發言所以才能夠節省時間完全沒有捷運,那就到以後完全沒有捷運,也要簽一個,照意思程序處理這是要簽署的所以它變成怎麼樣?從來沒有捷運,時間到講好幾次都沒有捷運那就全部,所有人都發言 |
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所以我們在執政的時候,你還記得嗎?農業水域管理,農業水域組織規程要把水域收割國有時候,國民黨反對,期間幾日都不成當然進行一日程序,國民黨每一個都發言我們都接受,喔,發言以後,發言以後什麼?就表決,表決,就訂輸贏輸贏去視線 |
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| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
就是這樣我們今天也是這樣我們是不是在我們表演給你看過從去年6月4號原住民地方補償的時候我簽署給你們我們表決發言的時候有兩個人所有的事件是不是這樣為了這個事情已經講了講了去年6月份講到現在 |
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| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
那最近是不是我要建立立法院的文化我們都不讓人家這樣學怕包括書在表決區就哪也不表決你用什麼點名表決點名表決你都跟誰是誰啊所以好像全部都在亂講說誰沒有來誰是點名的啊所以說在這個地方我要特別駁斥 |
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| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
你看藍白匪憲亂政那結果是要把台灣民主完全掐死嘛我說習近平長命管轄台灣國會,沒收國會沒收民主就是這個道理嘛民主大拉拉的到中國去保護林然後呢回來以後有什麼動作其實喔這個整...院長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
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1月13日議委選舉完畢以後,我們就很清楚了所以就,教育黨已經加起來過半嘛然後掌控立法院嘛所以我在1月14日講過一句話,洪國昌那時候說這個中心院長要做國會改革那當院長要不要做室外改革這不是院長職責,院長職責就是議員組織法第三條 |
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又是你要什麼?你要什麼?你要運輸中立,你不能用黨職這是立法院組織法規定的院長要調和定來,所以他不能用黨職你不能當你黨的主席所以是這個原則所以各位 |
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要了解法律因為體系的法律 違憲 亂證 而且公然違法程序都不爭議程序不爭議 實質 坦白講是違憲的 是違憲的雖然這個大法官沒有通過但是很多人表示非常嚴正的聲明不同意見書我今天要講的是說國民黨今天實在有夠見色 有夠漏氣 |
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全部講反話連羅志強也可以做民主協議韓院長還是在那裡說要幫我辦告別式我不知道韓院長你作為院長你什麼時候跟我們講說你不要生氣你要幫我辦告別式院長我們都不敢說笑的不敢說好笑我會幫你辦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
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離開議員的告別演講而且時間很快你看著不久以後你就要在議員做告別演講議員告別演講最有名的一個人是誰因為這是議員傳統嘛你以為要離開的時候一定講什麼一定讓每一個人上台講五分鐘三分鐘去講他這一屆他離開的感言 |
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第二屆讓漢偉進來,一起當立法委員,就是前副總理秀蓮第三屆的時候做一半,劉邦有失業,他再去做,他再轉做縣長 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
8316.052 |
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他離開立委會,辣伯感言怎麼講呢?立委會是正義的伏筏爐陳文謙講什麼?立委會是個搖子,他來灌搖子所以這極其諷刺民主才是民主是一天一天的養成的三四年來我在這裡很仔細的觀察每一個人的言行 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
8318.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
8337.446 |
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今天我們共同今天連這個傅雲齊也講到施文哲要朝野和解你上台也是講說很表面的話講民運黨的話但是你在做的事完全不一樣你沒有照民主程序來連傅雲齊也講說他去撐一張施文哲的紀念會施文哲一生講 |
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| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
8366.734 |
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朝爾和解它是在進行的它一生最大的用心度是什麼?它影響台灣最大而且呢它從朝爾和解不溫藍綠大家來和解和解不是口頭講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
8372.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
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我剛去演講的時候我第一個上台我相信議長你坐在台下他安排我第一個講話我最後決議怎麼講我決議講說施恩德是在1月15號過世 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
8388.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
8412.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
他本來是月十三號過世的那故意不把他管讓他應稱到月十五號因為那一天是他的生日所以市民就說他沒有妻子才有生日他生日是辦得非常快樂最後的時候是我和他太太以及兩個女兒在榮總的普通病房把她移到普通病房 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
8414.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
8439.336 |
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然後身上放著他最喜歡的花 包括什麼 椰漿花 百合花 薏蘭花 都很香的花這些花都是 也是我最喜歡的 我特別帶去放在市民的遺體上面 我們和他那兩女兒一起看 唱什麼 唱生日快樂歌 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
8441.095 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
8468.414 |
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所以今天 西洋有一個首歌最有名叫上帝的恩賢 阿伯因格伊茲出生不可以 走路不可以所以今天 我剛才說我們今天應該放阿伯因格伊茲不是安息吧那種歌今天用薩爾巴吹安息吧 那不對我要講的就是說我們要看清楚很多事情我都思念一生 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
8470.017 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
8485.744 |
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每一個人從每一個角度去讚揚他柴安曼德拉什麼拉傑斯等等你也上次來講過的話沒有一個人能夠完整的描述生命的一生的偉大以及他的理念所以我講過一句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
8489.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
8510.961 |
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因為無畏無怨完整的講所以大讚,你要大讚,讚美他,大讚無怨今天是他的生日,有大喜,大喜無笑只要有笑聲,保持笑容就好了所以今天我要講的最重要就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
8513.552 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
8520.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
37年前的1月13號那天1月13號我開記錄因為你罵我13號出來12號罵我說幫我告別式我說可能韓院長講錯了他應該說幫我辦這個離開立委告別感言我即將在這一屆做完絕對離開那我想啊誰會先離開還不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
8542.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
8570.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
也許我們同時離開也許以未來自在總統我不知道也許也許你很快就要告別感言了請你好好聽清楚這個計畫會一理成真的所以但是呢我最後的決議就是說37年的1月13號是一個很重要的日子 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
8571.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
8583.544 |
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我不知道在這國民黨黨員知道嗎?37年前的1月13日是蔣經國逝世紀的那天當天朱元海跑到來接葉嶺 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
8585.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
8609.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
他應該卸罪 貴賊卸罪才對蔣家兩個父子雖然他們戒嚴當然這是歷史上一個非常大的錯誤但是呢 他們基本是反共的結果你們共產黨的這些徒子徒孫現在跟共委要唱和 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
8612.001 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
8626.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
蔣介石和蔣經國一定沒有從湖面跳起來幫你痛罵才能跳起來痛罵所以今天我最大的感言就是說新的一聲反共他從來不去大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
8650.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
他在領導大臣的時候就講過台灣本來就是獨權獨立的國家他沒有罪後來果然被放出來他一生被判過死刑好幾次被關過但是他的理念台灣本來是獨立的國家我們是雙雙總統偶爾我們自己有自己的軍隊所以到今天為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
8652.151 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
8659.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
國民黨還是死抱了一國兩制這個黨一定會完蛋的所以我今天說 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
8661.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
8687.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
蔣經國的遺志 蔣介石的遺志以及世民的遺志我會幫他實踐我們一定要反共我們要大罷免這大罷免的時代來了把這個國民黨全部罷掉這些賣國者全部罷掉院長對不起 請問一下大罷免跟預算是什麼你們已經把大罷免罷免放到預算裡面我們知道啊你們有很多大罷免都放到預算裡面你不要講話我不懂啊 其元柯總長我們現在在談預算啊你不要講話你講那麼久我都沒有猜到 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
8691.048 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
8696.118 |
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你插什麼嘴啊?你插什麼嘴啊?你插什麼嘴啊?你插什麼嘴啊?你插什麼嘴啊?你插什麼嘴啊? |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
8703.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
8712.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
沒有資格 沒有財養 沒有水準 你拍什麼桌子啊你拍什麼桌子啊那你們在講預算 你講什麼倒報免 我問你嘛我問你嘛 你是不是把倒報免的預算編進去講啊我們一直揉揉你 你從現在已經都揉到兩個小時過去了都沒有談到預算任何一個具體的 全部在替你擱見名欸 請問一下 你是行政院長嗎 你是總統嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
8733.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
8740.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
你講幹嘛沒啊我替你我原諒你你講啊我跟他講啊我原諒你是有限度的啊憑什麼你一直講你以為你是誰啊你是請在這邊講嗎報長一句話都沒有講報長你有講話嗎郵箱是你在用嗎郵箱是你在用嗎為什麼你再替你講話你講幹嘛沒有我只是要講啊怎麼樣我為什麼要再替你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
8759.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
8767.976 |
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你講任何一項的事情了嗎你給他制止一下啦你給他制止你給他制止你給他制止你給他制止你給他制止你給他制止 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
8794.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
嚇死人了現在你跟你說我要全三我要直接表決你說直接表決也可以你現在這樣很不愛啦你真的這樣很不愛啦你停職了好不好可以停職了嗎你以為我是白癡啊你以為我是白癡啊主席講話啊我要回應韓國昌嘛聲音聲音主席講話 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
8805.936 |
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8808.641 |
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好不要再講了啦不要再講了啦我剛才有講過不要再講了從來都已經排除了 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
8814.707 |
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8839.52 |
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所以我現在排除調法不要再講了 廖主席講啦你要把國防預算講那麼多 三十八億三十八億然後徐曉鑫你們現在都在談預算嗎 廖子祥是沒有在談預算的國防部長是你找國防部長 國防部長不會答應你的所以你們這些人喔 每天說話都想你們現在談預算了嗎 你們現在談到預算了嗎你夠得了這一關啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
8844.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
8846.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
你們這些小鬼斷殘 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
8863.885 |
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8876.716 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
你們把國安黨都敗壞掉國安黨現在只剩講謊話的人是白癡啦你說要講謊話我們能申請簽預算嗎我們能申請簽預算嗎沒有在申 天天都在講謊話不要人家纏鬥什麼東西啊你們根本沒有資格再當國會議員了那各位黨黨要不要先把好 你們先讓院長講話三十兩億總算是八億 |
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三十五一塊錢在哪裡啊你們現在責任是什麼你用這個動作你用這個主席把他綁死 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
8911.491 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
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中央醫生全部不能動 本身刪減了20億啦看院長 看院長剛才你們還講過 你要不要道歉嘛 你要不要跟徐曉新道歉嘛我說道歉 他一定要跟我道歉他沒有刪除 你說他要刪除他沒有刪除 你說刪除啊中央醫生完全都不能動 |
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好 各位黨黨幹部麻煩各位黨黨幹部請麥克風讓我講兩句話陳時長差太多了 韓院長讓我講兩句話好不好議員何其可變 用這種跳紅小手來當議員各位黨黨幹部請到底你們能夠做什麼事情嘛當民意代表都沒有資格 當人都沒有資格要當立法委員國務黨會死得更快 |
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黃國昌整天說好笑什麼東西是我主張要直接表決你主張直接表決也可以我一概判斷今天的協商各黨人都沒有共識黃國昌因為一天都說好笑 按時不可能壞上午11點開始協商那今天也非常謝謝各位列席的官員我們現在散會 |
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你們還要鬼捨 |
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主席 |
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謝謝，各位黨團幹部請坐，各位列席官員請坐，各位所有工作夥伴們，請坐好，好嗎？ |
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會場
有點凌亂。 |
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主席 |
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謝謝各黨團代表及幹部都到了，現在黨團協商就正式開始，首先要向各位黨團幹部報告，我
們今天協商的主題是研商「114年度中央政府總預算案」（公務預算部分）。 |
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主席 |
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我們介紹今天所有列席的各部會首長，首先介紹主計總處陳主計長，熱情歡迎；農業部陳部
長，熱情歡迎；內政部劉部長，熱情歡迎；勞動部洪部長，熱情歡迎；交通部陳部長，熱情歡
迎。 |
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謝謝，要向各位黨團幹部報告一下，有關 114年度中央政府總預算案（公務預算部分），各黨
團的提案再加計各委員會保留 453案，共計 3,296案尚待協商，頭髮要掉光光了。 |
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本次協商順序為先行討論通案的提案部分，再依審查分配表所排定各委員會歲入、歲出的部
分，送院會處理項目之順序討論，最後我們再行討論機密預算的部分。 |
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已經協商過的單位沒有
未決之提案，我們不再處理。 |
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現在我們請各黨團幹部表達寶貴意見，請柯總召發言，王鴻薇書記長跟黃國昌哪一位…… |
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柯委員建銘 |
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第一個…… |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2025-01-15T14:03:26.178000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2025-01-15T14:03:30.820000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
你稍待一下，王鴻薇書記長請準備。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2025-01-15T14:03:30.820000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2025-01-15T14:03:31.501000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
這有什麼好稍待的？ |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2025-01-15T14:03:31.661000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2025-01-15T14:03:36.761000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
院長，你已經讓我第一個發言，他就是第二個發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2025-01-15T14:03:38.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2025-01-15T14:03:48.869000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
第一個，我先問一下，國民黨黨鞭沒有來，傅崐萁沒有來，這個協商是算談話會還是正式的
、有效的？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2025-01-15T14:03:50.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2025-01-15T14:03:52.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
王鴻薇你必須回答這個問題，有沒有效？有效。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2025-01-15T14:03:53.712000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2025-01-15T14:03:55.173000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
好，有效，你們總召不見了？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2025-01-15T14:03:55.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2025-01-15T14:03:56.954000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
我剛才還…… |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2025-01-15T14:03:56.954000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2025-01-15T14:03:58.175000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
他等一下會來。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.167 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2025-01-15T14:03:58.175000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2025-01-15T14:04:00.236000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
有效的，而且請柯總召保持微笑，請繼續。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2025-01-15T14:04:01.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2025-01-15T14:04:03.519000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
我一定微笑，你的眼睛要睜著笑，好。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2025-01-15T14:04:06.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2025-01-15T14:04:25.590000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
第二個，歷年來總預算的審查，我們都知道，我們把這個程序先講清楚，剛才院長有談到現
協 2
在總共保留 3,296 案，我不知道這個有沒有包括現在委員會保留的部分，還是新送案？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2025-01-15T14:04:29.651000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2025-01-15T14:04:35.695000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
加起來喔
，那凍結案算不算？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2025-01-15T14:04:36.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2025-01-15T14:04:37.096000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
都應該有嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2025-01-15T14:04:40.138000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2025-01-15T14:04:54.585000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
凍結案有分為兩種，一個書面報告來就可以，一個要報告後
同意，也有的是要專案報告，對於不同的類型將來當然有不同的處理方式。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2025-01-15T14:04:56.605000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2025-01-15T14:05:14.204000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
過去在立法院，坦白講，我在這裡三十幾年，總預算也全部參加過，我們都知道，包括周秘
書長也在這裡，第一組當然是行政院嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.815 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2025-01-15T14:05:15.405000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2025-01-15T14:05:37.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
在行政院以前會把通案性的先談，也就是說
，因為今天中央政府總預算總共 3 兆 2,000 億，請問秘書長或是委員會或院長，我們現在在委員
會到底刪減了多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.758 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2025-01-15T14:05:37.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2025-01-15T14:05:41.116000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
在場人員：67億。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2025-01-15T14:05:41.116000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2025-01-15T14:05:44.714000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
67億是吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2025-01-15T14:05:44.714000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2025-01-15T14:05:50.277000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
67億它怎麼分類？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2025-01-15T14:05:51.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2025-01-15T14:05:51.998000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
那事實上是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2025-01-15T14:05:51.998000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2025-01-15T14:05:52.218000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
我剛剛講六十幾？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2025-01-15T14:05:52.218000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2025-01-15T14:06:15.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
在場人員：67。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2025-01-15T14:06:15.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2025-01-15T14:06:16.509000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
國防部刪減多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2025-01-15T14:06:16.509000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2025-01-15T14:06:20.551000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
在場人員：48億。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2025-01-15T14:06:20.551000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2025-01-15T14:06:32.817000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
也就是說，現在在委員會已經被刪掉的，總共有 67億，這裡面國防部有 48億、數發
部有 10億，是吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.629 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2025-01-15T14:06:37.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2025-01-15T14:06:38.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
這應該很清楚吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2025-01-15T14:06:44.003000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2025-01-15T14:06:48.230000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
數發部 4.6億，那其他呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2025-01-15T14:06:49.891000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2025-01-15T14:06:50.031000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
財政部呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2025-01-15T14:06:50.031000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2025-01-15T14:06:55.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
在場人員：將近 11億。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2025-01-15T14:06:55.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2025-01-15T14:07:37.147000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
院長，你的幕僚很強，他們是預算委員會的，關於歲出 3 兆 2,000 億，現在大家都說
要看緊人民荷包，選舉的時候，大家都拍胸脯保證要監督政府、看緊人民荷包，現在總共刪減
數是 67 億而已，67 億裡面包括國防部 48 億、數發部 4.6 億、財政部將近 11 億，這是我們黨團
統計出來的，所以到最後到底要刪減多少，每年都是先談一個總數，為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.711 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2025-01-15T14:07:37.147000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2025-01-15T14:07:39.008000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
這是替立法院來
遮羞啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2025-01-15T14:07:40.149000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2025-01-15T14:07:40.850000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
請問去年刪減多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2025-01-15T14:07:50.311000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2025-01-15T14:08:25.046000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
我們應先把這個談清楚，去年是 299億，再往前就是 300億，然後是 273億、256億
、246 億等等，這部分主計總處都有很詳細的資料，所以我們現在回頭來談，今年總歲出是 3 兆
2,000 億，目前刪了 67 億，去年是刪 300 億，換句話說，這離 300 億還有一段距離。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.671 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2025-01-15T14:08:27.048000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2025-01-15T14:08:38.838000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
此外，現
在總共有 3,296 案，這裡面的刪減數是多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.474 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2025-01-15T14:08:40.530000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2025-01-15T14:08:40.710000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
不知道？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2025-01-15T14:08:43.831000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2025-01-15T14:09:12.530000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
有全凍的、有砍到剩下一塊錢的，還有弄
主決議的、附帶條件的，都有，現在我請教我們院長，你有沒有去統計出來，現在國民黨在委
員會的部分，總共保留了 453 案，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.773 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2025-01-15T14:09:13.150000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2025-01-15T14:09:28.437000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
民進黨提了 22 案，民進黨提的絕對和預算數沒有關
係，而國民黨提了 2,334案，民眾黨提了 487案，這是屬於凍結還是實刪的？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.761 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2025-01-15T14:09:29.820000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2025-01-15T14:09:30.501000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
實刪有多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2025-01-15T14:09:38.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2025-01-15T14:09:40.507000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
我希望你們統計一下，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2025-01-15T14:09:41.647000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2025-01-15T14:10:13.416000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
我們要有一個整體的概念，才知道這個
預算這樣走下去的 picture 是怎麼樣，因為每年都是如此，而且現在傅總召也很清楚，我們中午
協 3
有碰面但是時間很急迫，今天禮拜三，接著禮拜四、禮拜五，下禮拜 21號就結束了……
我的發言時間是誰在限制的？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2025-01-15T14:10:14.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2025-01-15T14:10:16.799000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
院長，發言時間有限制嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
陳委員玉珍 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2025-01-15T14:10:16.799000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2025-01-15T14:10:18.961000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
有限制，不然很急迫啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.111 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2025-01-15T14:10:18.961000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2025-01-15T14:10:27.829000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
我們要把事情講清楚，你們只會搞這一套，但我們要把事情講清楚，院長，你要像個
院長嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2025-01-15T14:10:28.590000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2025-01-15T14:10:30.411000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
哪有我在講清楚的時候，發言時間可以限制的？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.737 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2025-01-15T14:10:31.072000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2025-01-15T14:10:32.133000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
誰可以限制立法委員的發言時間？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2025-01-15T14:10:32.133000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2025-01-15T14:10:33.133000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
沒有人在限制，你趕快講啊…… |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
陳委員玉珍 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2025-01-15T14:10:33.133000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2025-01-15T14:10:34.133000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
很急迫啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2025-01-15T14:10:32.133000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2025-01-15T14:10:41.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
我不講廢話的，所以我現在問的問題…… |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2025-01-15T14:10:41.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2025-01-15T14:10:42.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
講重點！ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2025-01-15T14:10:41.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2025-01-15T14:10:42.009000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
當然就是重點嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2025-01-15T14:10:43.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2025-01-15T14:10:47.445000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
好，院長，我們現在有幾天的時間呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2025-01-15T14:10:47.605000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2025-01-15T14:11:05.069000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
我們上次朝野協商有提到禮
拜五和下禮拜一是一次會，今天禮拜三、明天禮拜四，就只剩這兩天了，但這裡總共有三千多
個案子，各部會去溝通到底有效與否，我相信都沒有效啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2025-01-15T14:11:06.769000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2025-01-15T14:11:16.584000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
利用 2 天的時間，禮拜五就可以表
決了，禮拜一也可以表決，可是大家想一想這樣走得下去嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.811 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2025-01-15T14:11:17.564000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2025-01-15T14:11:18.685000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
這是第一點。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2025-01-15T14:11:19.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2025-01-15T14:11:31.089000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
傅崐萁委員說我們禮拜六、禮拜天來加開院會，我說禮拜六、禮拜天是公務人員的休息日，
你要怎麼叫他來？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.721 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2025-01-15T14:11:31.089000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2025-01-15T14:11:31.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
這是一個問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2025-01-15T14:11:33.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2025-01-15T14:11:54.004000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
議事處說我們今天講的事情就是要進入很實際的，哪一個是
非保留不可的，大家想一想，大家溝通以後，看哪些案子是可以撤，改為附帶決議，這個在歷
年都是這樣嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.806 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2025-01-15T14:11:59.202000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2025-01-15T14:12:19.107000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
而且到最後即使要撤案，就是第幾案、第幾案要撤，那個處理是要很長的時間
，而且院長要中氣十足地一直唸下去，所以在時間上是要掌握的，包括開會的時間。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.594 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2025-01-15T14:12:19.487000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2025-01-15T14:12:41.535000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
院長，你記得我們在上個會期 7 月 16 號最後一天是弄到晚上 12 點，7 月 15 號的協商也是弄
到晚上 12 點，所以對這些法定的事情要把它完成，這有一定的過程和工程，而且大家要有完全
的默契。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.861 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2025-01-15T14:12:42.195000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2025-01-15T14:13:11.048000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
否則的話，有時候在預算審查的時候，可能因為一句話就把它停起來，在上次費鴻泰
當總召的時候，為了華視莊總經理的一句話就拒絕協商，人就跑了，沒來協商，停了 3 天，還
一直拜託才再回來。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2025-01-15T14:13:11.048000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2025-01-15T14:13:16.620000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
所以這中間會有很多的狀況，因為在野黨知道總預算是執政黨要的嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.759 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2025-01-15T14:13:17.782000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2025-01-15T14:13:27.995000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
所
以他會不斷蹂躪你、凌遲你，還有逼著我去道歉等等，像這些都有發生過，大家都很清楚。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.806 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2025-01-15T14:13:31.479000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2025-01-15T14:13:49.084000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
現
在很多立委是剛剛進來，這個和縣市議會審查的預算規模是完全不一樣的，而且中央政府總預
算案審查程序這個辦法都有很清楚的規定，還有一些法律是要遵循的，這個部分我想周秘書長
最清楚。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.61 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2025-01-15T14:13:49.864000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2025-01-15T14:14:00.985000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
所以今天我們要來講的就是，我們只有剩下最後 4 天，就是禮拜三、四、五和一嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.774 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2025-01-15T14:14:01.966000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2025-01-15T14:14:03.629000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
走得完
嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2025-01-15T14:14:03.629000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2025-01-15T14:14:05.632000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
假如要走得完，要用什麼方式來走？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2025-01-15T14:14:08.022000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2025-01-15T14:14:17.844000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
當然至少每天都要開會開到 12 點，假如都是開到 12
點，走得完嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2025-01-15T14:14:17.844000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2025-01-15T14:14:22.465000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
這個要算一下，大家要量一下時間，要估計一個時間。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.762 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2025-01-15T14:14:23.205000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2025-01-15T14:14:31.347000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
如果即使開到 12 點還是
走不完，那勢必要面對傅崐萁委員總召所講的，就是我們禮拜六、禮拜天是不是要來加班開會
，這些大家都要先想好。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.464 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2025-01-15T14:14:35.277000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2025-01-15T14:14:43.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
因為現在開會都有直播，我們如果太離譜，人家就會說：你們這些立
委都在演戲，亂搞一通，太假了！ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.385 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2025-01-15T14:14:43.981000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2025-01-15T14:14:48.923000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
至少這個最後的遮羞布也要演得像一點，這是我們大家自己
都要很清楚的。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.839 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2025-01-15T14:14:50.524000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2025-01-15T14:14:58.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
協 4
所以我今天要講的就是，第一個，在過去是這樣，先談通刪的部分、通案的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.844 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2025-01-15T14:14:59.740000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2025-01-15T14:15:00.281000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
為什麼要
談通案？ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2025-01-15T14:15:01.322000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2025-01-15T14:15:27.052000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
談通案的時候，就是看委辦費用要通刪多少、出國旅運費要刪多少，包括新興設備要
刪多少、新的工程要刪多少，延續性工程當然沒有，就是新的部分，本年度要刪多少，所以這
個最主要的 key就在這裡。 |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.829 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2025-01-15T14:15:27.052000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2025-01-15T14:15:58.892000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
也就是說，要把審查的遊戲規則在這裡先談清楚，這樣才能走得下去
，所以在這個時候就要談一個總數，例如我們今年要刪 400，談一個總數，然後在這個部分裡面
當然有大包小，裡面被刪掉的部分會包進來，或是裡面多刪的部分來湊成一個大家認為很好的
總數，比如說 400，所以 700 到底是怎麼湊出來的？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.807 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2025-01-15T14:16:04.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2025-01-15T14:16:14.817000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
因為委員會有刪，現在朝野協商要怎麼弄、
看怎麼湊滿四百億，所以這一定要從通案開始談。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.649 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2025-01-15T14:16:15.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2025-01-15T14:16:22.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
所謂通案就是像委辦費用要刪多少，這都是
要談的；有沒有排除條款？ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.679 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2025-01-15T14:16:24.557000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2025-01-15T14:16:34.729000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
比較機敏的機關或是連加班費都發不出來的，是不是要排除通刪？ |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2025-01-15T14:16:36.591000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2025-01-15T14:16:44.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
這部分我相信韓院長過去也沒有處理過，因為你在過去的三屆立委沒有當過黨鞭。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2025-01-15T14:16:45.921000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2025-01-15T14:16:54.910000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
我當黨鞭時
，每年我都坐在這裡協商，所以這部分請韓院長等一下要釋疑一下，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2025-01-15T14:16:55.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2025-01-15T14:16:57.553000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
不然找周萬來，
大家來談一談。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2025-01-15T14:16:57.833000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2025-01-15T14:17:05.681000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
當然我們也尊重各黨的意見，接下來國民黨要怎麼發言，民眾黨要怎麼發言，
我們都尊重，大家再來討論。以上。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.886 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2025-01-15T14:17:07.847000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2025-01-15T14:17:08.067000+08:00 |
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謝謝柯總召。 |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2025-01-15T14:17:08.248000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2025-01-15T14:17:10.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
接著請問國民黨團是哪一位要發言？ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2025-01-15T14:17:11.850000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2025-01-15T14:17:12.270000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
好，請王鴻薇副書記長發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2025-01-15T14:17:13.591000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2025-01-15T14:17:14.471000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
台灣民眾黨
團請準備。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2025-01-15T14:17:15.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2025-01-15T14:17:15.312000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
謝謝主席。 |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2025-01-15T14:17:16.833000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2025-01-15T14:17:28.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
剛才柯總召一直提到，按照現在的三千兩百多個案子來看，處理的時間到
底來不來得及？ |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.861 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2025-01-15T14:17:30.041000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2025-01-15T14:17:58.139000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
事實上，如果我們很快速進入通案討論及各案的討論……其實我們在星期二就
已經說過，對於大家沒有辦法達成決議的部分，當然就是用議事來處理，否則我們光在這邊一
直你來我往、一來一回，其實更浪費時間！ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.835 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2025-01-15T14:17:58.620000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2025-01-15T14:18:24.373000+08:00 |
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容我做個提醒，星期二我們在主席臺後面的院長休息室協商時，因為院長很著急，所以本來
是今天早上 10 點就要開始協商，但當時也是柯總召建議，因為你們中午有另外的行程，所以改
到下午 2 點再開。 |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2025-01-15T14:18:24.373000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2025-01-15T14:18:27.315000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
所以對於時間並不像柯總召說的，如果按照原來程序去處理會來不及，我覺
得這點必須合先敘明。 |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2025-01-15T14:18:41.666000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2025-01-15T14:19:12.067000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
另外，柯總召也說，在野黨都知道預算是執政黨要用的；他剛才也特別提到，如果今天沒有
辦法達成協商的提案數比較多的話，那麼我們就在禮拜五、禮拜一跟星期二來處理；如果真的
、真的沒有辦法處理的話，我們還有星期六跟星期天可以處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2025-01-15T14:19:12.887000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2025-01-15T14:19:23.510000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
當然，我們基本上也不希望讓
公務人員來加班，但大家都知道，中央政府總預算的通過對公務人員來說也是一等一的大事！ |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2025-01-15T14:19:24.731000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2025-01-15T14:19:26.453000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
如果我們能趕快、快速通過，對於所有公務人員來講，也會覺得比較心安。 |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2025-01-15T14:19:26.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2025-01-15T14:19:27.754000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
所以我們不需要排
除星期六、星期天加開院會來處理，這是我覺得大家應該要有的認知，至少我們有這樣的認知
。 |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2025-01-15T14:19:44.513000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2025-01-15T14:19:48.216000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
另外，要不要用統刪？ |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2025-01-15T14:19:48.396000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2025-01-15T14:19:50.517000+08:00 |
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比如過去民進黨席次很多的時候，可能稀哩呼嚕就用統刪的方式，統
刪個 1%、2%等等之類的去處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2025-01-15T14:20:06.187000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2025-01-15T14:20:20.096000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
可是如果統刪的話，因為各部會的努力程度，還有各部會對預
算的需要程度不一，如果最後以統刪做調整，其實是極不公平的！ |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2025-01-15T14:20:20.396000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2025-01-15T14:20:21.256000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
而且對於立法院來講，這其
實也是不夠負責任的！ |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2025-01-15T14:20:32.183000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2025-01-15T14:20:55.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
比如通案部分，我知道民眾黨提出好幾個通案，如果我們先討論通案並
定案的話，那麼在三千多個案子裡面，比如說出國費用、水電費等等，就可以依照通案來解決
協 5
，如此可能就可以刪除掉或整個 pass 掉，好幾個案子也就過去了，這算是我們先行所做的大體
討論。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.835 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2025-01-15T14:20:55.321000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2025-01-15T14:21:13.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
但各部會的狀況終究不一樣，比如說，基本上對於媒體宣傳費，我們在野黨幾乎有一個
同樣的想法就是這次要大砍，但是在我跟各部會溝通的過程裡面也發現到有些部會確實有它的
必要性跟需要性。 |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0.878 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2025-01-15T14:21:13.753000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2025-01-15T14:21:35.647000+08:00 |
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我們在理解之後，我覺得確實有一些部會有特殊性，我個人覺得可以因為它
的特殊性而把它給剔除，所以我們還是應該要好好的針對每一個提案去討論。 |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0.841 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2025-01-15T14:21:35.647000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2025-01-15T14:22:11.977000+08:00 |
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剛才講的就是，因為柯總召一開始在星期二說，絕對不能去限制他的發言，限制發言不是限
制立法委員的職權，限制發言是我們對各部會的預算能更公平的去做處理，否則有時候前面的
部會，比如說排第一個的是內政委員會，我們可能花了落落長、大部分的時間在討論，導致排
在後面的部會根本就沒有時間好好討論了，他們想要來爭取預算也沒有時間來爭取，這樣反而
不公平。 |
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0.852 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2025-01-15T14:22:11.997000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2025-01-15T14:22:37.924000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
所以在這邊也具體建議主席（院長），我覺得限制發言不是箝制我們立法委員的職權
，而是我們在預算的審查過程裡面，給每一個委員會的所有部會有足夠的時間被討論，他們也
要辯護啊，他們要有足夠的時間辯護，不然前面統統都在討論內政部，或是內政委員會的部分
一直辯護、一直辯護，排到後面的部會倒楣了、沒時間了，我們全部上戰場一起去做議事處理
，我覺得這樣反而是不公平的。 |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.881 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2025-01-15T14:22:38.204000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2025-01-15T14:23:07.439000+08:00 |
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因為我們現在是在大體討論，在進入預算實質的討論時，我認為還是要有一些時間的限制也
好、調配也好、控制也好，我覺得這是必須的。 |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0.873 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2025-01-15T14:23:07.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2025-01-15T14:23:07.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
以上，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2025-01-15T14:23:07.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2025-01-15T14:23:10.921000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
謝謝王鴻薇委員的發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0.1 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2025-01-15T14:23:10.921000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2025-01-15T14:23:13.942000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
接著請黃國昌總召發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2025-01-15T14:23:13.942000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2025-01-15T14:23:14.583000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
謝謝院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2025-01-15T14:23:14.583000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2025-01-15T14:23:39.614000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
依照我們上一次協商的結論是這個禮拜三、四、五這三天來進行總預算的
協商，下個禮拜一、禮拜二針對沒有辦法處理獲致共識的部分進行表決，各黨團都已經簽字同
意下禮拜一、禮拜二要進行處理，表決的時候不發言，而且也不做重付表決，這個是本來的基
礎。 |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2025-01-15T14:23:41.076000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2025-01-15T14:24:00.751000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
在這個基礎之上，如果因為有什麼特殊需求或者是情事變更而要變動也不是不行，就看哪
一個黨團提案，譬如星期五是不是就不要協商改去處理，或者是星期五同時協商同時處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
0.959 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2025-01-15T14:24:01.531000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2025-01-15T14:24:32.686000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
我
的意思是說，我們現在在進行的程序是依照上一次白紙黑字三個黨團大家都簽名的程序在進行
處理，我們依照上一次黨團協商的共識也把時間全部都騰出來了，只要有協商通知，我們人就
會到現場，配合本來的黨團協商共識來加以處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2025-01-15T14:24:33.895000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2025-01-15T14:25:23.453000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
至於在時間的分配上，如果我們把大的時間分配的架構定了，我先舉一個例子，假設等一下
沒有任何黨團要提議變更本來協商的內容，我們還是這禮拜三、四、五協商及下禮拜一、二來
表決處理的話，我是認為剛剛王鴻薇委員所講的內容是有道理的，就各個部會我們分配到八大
委員會，依照八大委員會目前所有的提案數來合理分配我們協商的時間，我覺得對於順位排在
後面的部會相對而言會比較公平一點，我們在整個時間的使用上也會比較有效率一點，以上是
針對程序的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2025-01-15T14:25:24.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2025-01-15T14:26:08.996000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
第二個部分，剛剛民主進步黨的總召柯建銘提議是不是先講一個大的數字決定要刪多少錢，
對於這樣子的方法，我不太理解過去是不是真的都是這樣子處理的，我了解每一次審預算的時
候都有所謂統刪的項目，但是那個只有統刪的項目，後面還是有其他個別委員的提案，我不太
協 6
理解我們現在是真的要討論在 3 兆 2,000 億的預算當中先來喊個價決定要砍多少，然後再往後走
嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2025-01-15T14:26:08.996000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2025-01-15T14:26:16.218000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
這樣的預算審查程序，我覺得非常奇怪，因為感覺好像在喊價嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2025-01-15T14:26:17.718000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2025-01-15T14:26:32.080000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
第三個部分是，從過去這幾年我們可以很清楚看出來，中央政府總預算的規模不斷地在膨脹
，膨脹的速度跟膨脹的幅度都相當的驚人。 |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
0.982 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2025-01-15T14:26:32.521000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2025-01-15T14:27:08.730000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
譬如說 2020 年的時候，2020 年我們歲出的總預算是
2兆 1,022億，到今年我們在處理 2025年總預算的時候，已經到 3兆 2,000 億的規模，短短的 5
年間，從 2 兆 1,022 億膨脹到 2025 年的 3 兆 2,000 億，膨脹的速度跟膨脹的規模，我必須要說
非常、非常的驚人。 |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2025-01-15T14:27:10.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2025-01-15T14:27:33.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
過去這幾年在處理總預算，我們在處理有關於統刪項目的時候，其實一開始通案就是要處理
統刪的部分，通案如果要處理統刪部分的話，過去每一年針對哪一些項目統刪多少錢，我覺得
這個都可以拿出來討論，這個沒有問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2025-01-15T14:27:33.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2025-01-15T14:27:55.523000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
但我希望，我代表台灣民眾黨黨團的立場，在開始進
行所謂預算協商之前，我希望要審預算，要協商預算，可以，就好好的協商，好好的討論，不
要在還沒有開始協商的時候，就先給人家扣帽子、抹紅、抹黑的。 |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2025-01-15T14:27:56.364000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2025-01-15T14:27:58.165000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
我為什麼這樣講？ |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2025-01-15T14:27:58.165000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2025-01-15T14:28:09.173000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
昨天我們公布了台灣民眾黨黨團，我們所有預算不管是刪減還是凍結的提
案以後，民主進步黨黨團馬上說什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2025-01-15T14:28:09.173000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2025-01-15T14:28:26.701000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
馬上說我們在統刪的部分，軍事設備大砍百分之三，說
任何的軍事設備都是國安所需，坐實藍白劍指國防預算，兩黨都是中共的在地協力者。 |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
0.965 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2025-01-15T14:28:26.761000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2025-01-15T14:28:27.702000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].text |
我要抗
議這種說法！ |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2025-01-15T14:28:27.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[132].end |
2025-01-15T14:28:28.182000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].text |
我要抗議這種說法！ |
| transcript.gazette[132].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2025-01-15T14:28:28.322000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[133].end |
2025-01-15T14:28:45.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].text |
什麼時候開始審預算之前，先給人家扣紅帽子，說人家是中
共的在地協力者，這什麼態度！ |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2025-01-15T14:28:46.740000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[134].end |
2025-01-15T14:28:59.123000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].text |
我完全沒有辦法接受這種抹紅式的處理方式，如果是這樣子的
話，有什麼好協商的，就不用協商了嘛，一開始協商以前先給人家扣紅帽子。 |
| transcript.gazette[134].quality |
0.982 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2025-01-15T14:29:00.383000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[135].end |
2025-01-15T14:29:02.763000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].text |
更離譜的事情是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[135].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[136].start |
2025-01-15T14:29:02.763000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[136].end |
2025-01-15T14:29:07.644000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].text |
講統刪軍事設施 3%就已經成為中共的在地協力者。 |
| transcript.gazette[136].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2025-01-15T14:29:08.144000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[137].end |
2025-01-15T14:29:16.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].text |
來，我們來看一看
，過去幾年統刪的預算當中，軍事裝備及設施統刪多少。 |
| transcript.gazette[137].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2025-01-15T14:29:19.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[138].end |
2025-01-15T14:29:43.365000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].text |
2019 年統刪 4%，2020 年統刪 4%，
2021 年、2022 年、2023 年各統刪 3%，過去這幾年，統刪比例不是 4%就是 3%，請問過去這幾
年，贊成統刪預算的全體立法委員是不是都是中共的在地協力者？是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[138].quality |
0.738 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[139].start |
2025-01-15T14:29:43.365000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[139].end |
2025-01-15T14:29:46.467000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].text |
話可以這樣講的嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[139].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[140].start |
2025-01-15T14:29:46.467000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[140].end |
2025-01-15T14:29:48.529000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].text |
話可以這樣說的嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[140].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2025-01-15T14:29:48.529000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[141].end |
2025-01-15T14:30:14.271000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].text |
我的統刪，以台灣民眾黨黨團來講，外交、國防，我們已經是特別支持了，刪的特別少，凍
的也特別少，結果昨天預算提案一出來，執政黨不講道理先扣紅帽子，說統刪軍事設施及設備
，是中共的在地協力者，可以講這種話喔？ |
| transcript.gazette[141].quality |
0.898 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2025-01-15T14:30:14.271000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[142].end |
2025-01-15T14:30:24.574000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].text |
我再請問一次，2019 年、2020 年統刪 4%，請問那
時候的立委是不是全部都是中共在地協力者？ |
| transcript.gazette[142].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[143].start |
2025-01-15T14:30:26.535000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[143].end |
2025-01-15T14:30:31.757000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].text |
過去 3 年統刪 3%，同意的立委全部都是中共在地
協力者？ |
| transcript.gazette[143].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2025-01-15T14:30:37.478000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[144].end |
2025-01-15T14:30:46.731000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].text |
我剛才講的還只是這幾年，過去在國民黨執政的馬政府時期，2011 年、2012 年、2013 年、
2014年到 2015年，軍事裝備及設施全部統刪 5%，全部統刪 5%。 |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
0.792 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2025-01-15T14:30:55.001000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[145].end |
2025-01-15T14:31:10.870000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].text |
如果今天民主進步黨黨團對在
野黨所提出來的污衊跟抹紅可以成立的話，那我們過去這 10 年贊成軍事設備統刪的比例從 5%
、4%到 3%，全體的立法委員是要用外患罪送辦嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[145].quality |
0.871 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2025-01-15T14:31:11.050000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[146].end |
2025-01-15T14:31:31.418000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].text |
堂堂的執政黨要處理預算，你要護航自家的
預算我沒意見，全體國民都在看嘛，但你護航自家的預算護航到抹紅在野黨，無法接受！ |
| transcript.gazette[146].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2025-01-15T14:31:31.618000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[147].end |
2025-01-15T14:31:31.918000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].text |
謝謝黃國昌總召的發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[147].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2025-01-15T14:31:32.598000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[148].end |
2025-01-15T14:31:33.579000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].text |
在柯總召發言之前，我想跟 3個黨團幹部協調一下，請 3個黨團聽
一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[148].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[149].start |
2025-01-15T14:31:33.779000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[149].end |
2025-01-15T14:32:07.387000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].text |
剛才根據 3 個黨團的說法，萬一我們在 17 號（星期五）以前沒有達成協商，有的提出星
協 7
期六、星期天繼續加開院會，有的認為公務人員要休息，期期以為不可，那我調和一下，我們
嘗試擬一個草案，徵詢大家的意見。 |
| transcript.gazette[149].quality |
0.928 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2025-01-15T14:32:08.775000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[150].end |
2025-01-15T14:32:27.686000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].text |
如果我們沒有辦法在 17 號完成協商，那我們各黨團同意 1
月 18號（星期六）、1月 19號（星期天），請聽清楚，繼續召開朝野協商，不是開院會，因為
開院會，所有立法院同仁都要上班，就是我們這個朝野協商就繼續開，那繼續開要開到什麼時
候？ |
| transcript.gazette[150].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[151].start |
2025-01-15T14:32:28.066000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[151].end |
2025-01-15T14:32:40.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].text |
我們就是星期六、星期天加開 2 天朝野協商，我想這樣既有效率，又不會造成一些其他要
休息的公務人員受到影響，不曉得各位黨團同意、不同意？ |
| transcript.gazette[151].quality |
0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2025-01-15T14:32:42.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[152].end |
2025-01-15T14:32:44.039000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].text |
柯總召，請針對這個部分好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[152].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[153].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[153].start |
2025-01-15T14:32:44.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[153].end |
2025-01-15T14:32:44.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].text |
謝謝，請。 |
| transcript.gazette[153].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[154].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[154].start |
2025-01-15T14:32:44.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[154].end |
2025-01-15T14:32:58.271000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].text |
院長，你現在有很多題目要談，你可以針對這個，我同意，但是我現在講的話不是只
有針對你這個問題來回答，我要回答他們所有的問題，我們才能夠解決嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[154].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[155].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[155].start |
2025-01-15T14:32:58.271000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[155].end |
2025-01-15T14:33:04.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].text |
不要再說了，我們先確定這個……時間…… |
| transcript.gazette[155].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[156].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[156].start |
2025-01-15T14:33:04.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[156].end |
2025-01-15T14:33:09.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].text |
我先……你聽我講嘛，你主持會議要有點技巧，我會先回答你的問題嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[156].quality |
0.815 |
| transcript.gazette[157].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[157].start |
2025-01-15T14:33:11.069000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[157].end |
2025-01-15T14:33:16.411000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].text |
接下來他們的問題我也要回答，你想制止我回答後面的問題嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[157].quality |
0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[158].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[158].start |
2025-01-15T14:33:16.411000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[158].end |
2025-01-15T14:33:18.692000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].text |
不可能的事情嘛，好
不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[158].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[159].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[159].start |
2025-01-15T14:33:18.872000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[159].end |
2025-01-15T14:33:19.493000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].text |
你們老是搞這一套。 |
| transcript.gazette[159].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[160].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[160].start |
2025-01-15T14:33:20.413000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[160].end |
2025-01-15T14:33:29.497000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].text |
來，我先回答啦，你們講話我都沒有意見，我講話，你有意見的，
你來駁斥我，沒有問題，好不好？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[160].quality |
0.973 |
| transcript.gazette[161].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[161].start |
2025-01-15T14:33:30.558000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[161].end |
2025-01-15T14:33:40.791000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].text |
第一個，我要駁斥王鴻薇，那天在協商的時候說今天下午 2點半，後來改 2點，是什
麼情況？ |
| transcript.gazette[161].quality |
0.794 |
| transcript.gazette[162].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[162].start |
2025-01-15T14:33:40.791000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[162].end |
2025-01-15T14:33:57.923000+08:00 |
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大家都在這裡，黃國昌也在，大家都在，你也在，你用這個來拗……我可以一直跟你
講，你不要學徐巧芯，你要講真話，你要亂拗，這是不對的，你有意見，等一下我講完你再回
答就好了，好不好？ |
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0.836 |
| transcript.gazette[163].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-15T14:33:59.455000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T14:34:16.202000+08:00 |
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你當幹部的人應該要有程度上的一個莊嚴性啦，當幹部的人都要講真話嘛
，其他人開記者會攻來攻去，我都沒有意見，誰罵我，我都沒意見，但是在朝野協商的時候我
們要談真的事情，這樣才有辦法處理事情。 |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[164].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-15T14:34:16.743000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T14:34:20.924000+08:00 |
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院長，你不要很無奈的樣子，對不對？ |
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0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[165].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[165].start |
2025-01-15T14:34:20.924000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T14:34:24.146000+08:00 |
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你對我的表情都有意見，我在眼巴巴看著你，OK？ |
| transcript.gazette[165].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[166].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-15T14:34:24.246000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T14:34:26.107000+08:00 |
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好，感謝、感謝。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[167].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-15T14:34:26.107000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T14:34:29.288000+08:00 |
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所以我第一個要先講，院長你那天是怎麼講的？ |
| transcript.gazette[167].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[168].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[168].start |
2025-01-15T14:34:30.649000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T14:34:38.889000+08:00 |
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因為今天中午我們
3 個人都在一起，你、傅崐萁還有我，我們共同去參加什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[168].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[169].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[169].start |
2025-01-15T14:34:38.889000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T14:35:36.023000+08:00 |
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施明德逝世紀念會，剛好 1 週年，
在圓山飯店舉行，因為我們兩個都是施明德基金會董事，所以我們勢必要參加，本來今天賴總
統也要去，他太忙了，陳菊院長也一定去的，他們跟施明德非常好，現在陳菊院長的身體正在
復健中，所以我今天開頭就有講，你也很清楚，那天我們協商的時候傅崐萁也在，大家都在，
你們本來說早上 9 點，我說院長，要注意一下，那天中午我們要去參加，可能 11 點半以前就要
離開，紀念會到底要多久時間，我們總不能坐一下就跑掉，我們是董事嘛，少數幾個董事而已
，現在陳文茜身體也不好，也不能來了，尹衍樑今天好像也沒有來，尹衍樑應該來嘛，幾個董
事而已嘛。 |
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| transcript.gazette[170].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-15T14:35:36.983000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T14:36:56.034000+08:00 |
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好，今天我要講的就是說，因為那天我們在那裡談的時候，在院長室談，我說本來
是 9 點，但是中午要休息，休息到 2 點半，所以大家異口同聲說，那我們下午才開始，反正那
天大家心情不錯、很愉快，包括黃國昌現在跑了，就是說我們有幾個結論，比如在總預算表決
的時候，第一個，不發言也不重付表決，反正發言也沒有人能夠說服對方，對方一定要砍，有
協 8
立場的我們表決輸就算了，在那邊互罵也沒有用，所以那天講的，大家很愉快趕快簽起來，我
也講大家用協商共識刪多少有一個東西出來，歷年都如此，大家都很愉快，所以才訂下禮拜五
和禮拜一就一次會，立法院就是到 21 日，所以剛剛黃國昌講錯，哪來 22 日？ |
| transcript.gazette[170].quality |
0.748 |
| transcript.gazette[171].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[171].start |
2025-01-15T14:36:56.034000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T14:37:19.393000+08:00 |
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21 日就休會了，
剛剛黃國昌還談到 22 日還有時間，要把時間先掌握得很精準、講話要很精準之後才能往下走，
因為這是很嚴肅的事情，這不是國是論壇、也不是記者會。 |
| transcript.gazette[171].quality |
0.908 |
| transcript.gazette[172].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[172].start |
2025-01-15T14:37:19.393000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T14:37:46.490000+08:00 |
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所以第一個，王鴻薇常常講一句話
，因為這個事情還開記者會罵，說「合先敘明」，好像講得很專業的樣子，講「合先敘明」就
講錯了，我們剛剛一開始就是講下午 2 點半開始，你何必在那邊弄我，弄我是沒有用的，有點
吐錯槽了，好像突然之間很專業的樣子。 |
| transcript.gazette[172].quality |
0.758 |
| transcript.gazette[173].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[173].start |
2025-01-15T14:37:46.850000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T14:38:07.124000+08:00 |
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我們現在談的幾個問題，對於剛剛各位的高見，我雖然剛剛離開，到後面休息坐一下、走來
走去，但是還是在聽各位講什麼，第一個，黃國昌講統刪。 |
| transcript.gazette[173].quality |
0.741 |
| transcript.gazette[174].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[174].start |
2025-01-15T14:38:07.124000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T14:38:23.400000+08:00 |
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講的是以前都是民進黨多數的時候
，對不起，國民黨多數的時候就是如此，民進黨多數的時候都被你們整得非常苦啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[174].quality |
0.854 |
| transcript.gazette[175].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[175].start |
2025-01-15T14:38:24.862000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T14:38:44.080000+08:00 |
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我告訴你
，從我進來立法院到現在，我們民進黨表決會贏只有蔡英文執政那 8 年，我 22 年的時間，我們
在立法院 30 年，我 22 年的時間表決從來沒有贏過，咒誓不會贏，因為少數表決一定輸嘛！ |
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0.861 |
| transcript.gazette[176].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[176].start |
2025-01-15T14:38:44.280000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T14:38:48.083000+08:00 |
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像
我們現在少數表決一定輸，還沒輸實際也是輸嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[176].quality |
0.762 |
| transcript.gazette[177].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[177].start |
2025-01-15T14:38:48.823000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T14:39:01.746000+08:00 |
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所以怎麼樣舉手就怎麼樣輸，可是我們還是
遵守遊戲規則，至少要講出個道理、至少我們要贏得民心，民主才能夠這樣走下去。 |
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0.863 |
| transcript.gazette[178].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[178].start |
2025-01-15T14:39:02.807000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T14:39:37.122000+08:00 |
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王鴻薇怎
麼說民進黨多數的時候才有去統刪多少，但民進黨少數執政的時候被國民黨整到幾乎臨死，我
講個例子就好，阿扁執政的時候我們少 20 席，2000 年及 2004 年都少 20 席，今天你們 62 席，
當然怎麼樣表決都輸，這是天經地義的，本來就是如此，在阿扁執政的時候是怎麼被國民黨凌
遲的？ |
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0.721 |
| transcript.gazette[179].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[179].start |
2025-01-15T14:39:38.603000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[179].end |
2025-01-15T14:39:38.603000+08:00 |
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亂砍預算。 |
| transcript.gazette[179].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[180].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[180].start |
2025-01-15T14:39:39.083000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T14:40:34.627000+08:00 |
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所以後來才想說，再怎麼野蠻也不應該如此去砍農業部的預算、環境部的預
算、文化部的預算，國民黨從前也不知道會嚇到，嚇到以後砍預算要很小心，因為砍預算要小
心，大家就砍個合理的數字，可是國民黨頭腦沒有這麼差，它整民進黨是專科的，所以當年講
好總預算比如說要刪 150 億或 200 億，結果簽好了，最後才發明一個要表決前才丟出來，因為
任何案子在表決前都可以拿出來，我們今天所有的案子都是一樣，在表決前都可以拿出來，你
看黃國昌不是常常提再修正、再修正，都是突然在表決前……我們不知道內容是什麼，都可以
拿出來。 |
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| transcript.gazette[181].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-15T14:40:34.627000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T14:40:53.793000+08:00 |
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總預算等於措施性法律，但是總預算有預算法第五十二條規定可以做一些附帶條件及期限，
但是於法不合者無效，所以預算法講的是附帶條件，所以只有附帶決議。 |
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0.731 |
| transcript.gazette[182].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[182].start |
2025-01-15T14:40:56.814000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T14:41:03.036000+08:00 |
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去查六法全書，從來
沒有主決議，大家都弄那個主決議根本就是鬼扯。 |
| transcript.gazette[182].quality |
0.679 |
| transcript.gazette[183].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[183].start |
2025-01-15T14:41:03.576000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T14:41:16.722000+08:00 |
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預算法等於法律案，稱之為法律，法律案只
有附帶決議而已，而且法律案的附帶決議只要一個人反對就沒有了，是這樣子。 |
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0.633 |
| transcript.gazette[184].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[184].start |
2025-01-15T14:41:17.702000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[184].end |
2025-01-15T14:41:20.343000+08:00 |
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等一下，還沒有，我再繼續講。 |
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0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[185].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[185].start |
2025-01-15T14:41:21.404000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T14:41:32.710000+08:00 |
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我要駁斥，根本不是民進黨都在搞這一套，國民黨多
數的時候才是搞這一套，因為這樣比較快，以前我都專門跟廖福本協商的。 |
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0.922 |
| transcript.gazette[186].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[186].start |
2025-01-15T14:41:35.772000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[186].end |
2025-01-15T14:41:53.587000+08:00 |
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再回來，剛才有幾個講錯，當然我也尊重，你不統刪或是部分統刪、部分個別刪，我們都尊
重，你完全不統刪我們也尊重，因為你們是多數，我們能夠怎麼樣？ |
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0.738 |
| transcript.gazette[187].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[187].start |
2025-01-15T14:41:53.587000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[187].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[187].end |
2025-01-15T14:41:57.010000+08:00 |
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只有任你們宰割而已、任
你們蹂躪而已！ |
| transcript.gazette[187].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[188].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[188].start |
2025-01-15T14:41:57.851000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T14:42:12.400000+08:00 |
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但是到最後，大家回到道理上面來講，沒有關係，我都予以尊重，我們現在看
協 9
到很多部會都被你們凍結到預算只剩下一塊錢，陸委會、銓敘部等等，我們都尊重，沒有關係
。 |
| transcript.gazette[188].quality |
0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[189].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[189].start |
2025-01-15T14:42:13.121000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[189].end |
2025-01-15T14:42:14.681000+08:00 |
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凍結並沒有刪，但那個比刪還厲害啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[189].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[190].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[190].start |
2025-01-15T14:42:16.202000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[190].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[190].end |
2025-01-15T14:42:23.086000+08:00 |
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你們出了很多怪招，難怪今天報紙都寫出來，連中時
、聯合都在罵。 |
| transcript.gazette[190].quality |
0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[191].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[191].start |
2025-01-15T14:42:23.086000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T14:42:36.257000+08:00 |
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所以國民黨你自己要清楚，我們都尊重，等一下可以……你說完全不統刪也 OK
，我們都尊重…… |
| transcript.gazette[191].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[192].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[192].start |
2025-01-15T14:42:38.599000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[192].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[192].end |
2025-01-15T14:42:41.282000+08:00 |
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你不必謝謝我，要謝謝你讓我講話，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[192].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[193].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[193].start |
2025-01-15T14:42:42.343000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[193].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[193].end |
2025-01-15T14:42:42.523000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[193].text |
這是我的權利。 |
| transcript.gazette[193].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[194].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[194].start |
2025-01-15T14:42:44.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[194].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[194].end |
2025-01-15T14:42:45.465000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[194].text |
我現在講的都是重點啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[194].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[195].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[195].start |
2025-01-15T14:42:46.646000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[195].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[195].end |
2025-01-15T14:42:49.549000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[195].text |
等一下我們才能走得下去，到底是怎麼樣……我在講廢話嗎
？是啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[195].quality |
0.76 |
| transcript.gazette[196].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[196].start |
2025-01-15T14:42:51.945000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[196].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[196].end |
2025-01-15T14:43:00.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[196].text |
所以你不統刪，我尊重；部分統刪、部分你一定要刪的，我也尊重。 |
| transcript.gazette[196].quality |
0.64 |
| transcript.gazette[197].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[197].start |
2025-01-15T14:43:02.310000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[197].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[197].end |
2025-01-15T14:43:08.613000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[197].text |
全部不統刪我都
同意，所以這個你們自己決定，我們少數，這是第一個。 |
| transcript.gazette[197].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[198].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[198].start |
2025-01-15T14:43:12.585000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[198].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[198].end |
2025-01-15T14:43:42.331000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[198].text |
有關於國民黨，剛才講的，他們針對各部會去攻擊，農業部有關於公糧收購，你又搞這一套
了，你一定要刪多少，我都聽到你們在講了，說要刪 100 億……這是你們的權力，但是你要面
對最後的民意而已，這一點林思銘可能比較理性，你隔壁那個花蓮王可能會卯起來亂搞，我有
耳聞一些。 |
| transcript.gazette[198].quality |
0.793 |
| transcript.gazette[199].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[199].start |
2025-01-15T14:43:45.512000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[199].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[199].end |
2025-01-15T14:44:06.578000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[199].text |
我坦白講，審預算的時候不是像你想像的那樣簡單，我們要儘量和諧，我都說有些
事大家儘量別講，有些事可以講清楚就好了，過去審預算曾經有一個案子可以吵一天，浪費很
多時間，讓我們民進黨在乾著急，不道歉可以給你卡 3 天的都有，隨時都有的。 |
| transcript.gazette[199].quality |
0.604 |
| transcript.gazette[200].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[200].start |
2025-01-15T14:44:07.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[200].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[200].end |
2025-01-15T14:44:19.645000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[200].text |
所以我們要講
的就是，今天大家面對有限的時間、面對整個國家狀況是這樣子、總預算，連審預算的時候一
直發誓要看緊人民荷包，要監督政府，不要亂搞喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[200].quality |
0.619 |
| transcript.gazette[201].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[201].start |
2025-01-15T14:44:20.885000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[201].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[201].end |
2025-01-15T14:44:26.708000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[201].text |
你們把政府搞垮是你的事，你自己要負責
！ |
| transcript.gazette[201].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[202].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[202].start |
2025-01-15T14:44:26.708000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[202].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[202].end |
2025-01-15T14:44:30.604000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[202].text |
這一點我先講清楚，合先敘明，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[202].quality |
0.533 |
| transcript.gazette[203].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[203].start |
2025-01-15T14:44:30.604000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[203].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[203].end |
2025-01-15T14:44:31.665000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[203].text |
你學我。 |
| transcript.gazette[203].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[204].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[204].start |
2025-01-15T14:44:31.665000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[204].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[204].end |
2025-01-15T14:44:35.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[204].text |
接下來我談黃國昌……合先敘明，是立法院的，你的意思是說沒有講「合先敘明」啊
…… |
| transcript.gazette[204].quality |
0.355 |
| transcript.gazette[205].speaker |
陳委員玉珍 |
| transcript.gazette[205].start |
2025-01-15T14:44:35.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[205].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[205].end |
2025-01-15T14:44:36.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[205].text |
主席，都沒有限制時間，是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[205].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[206].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[206].start |
2025-01-15T14:44:35.631000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[206].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[206].end |
2025-01-15T14:44:36.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[206].text |
我一一回答，當然沒有限制時間，我有講…… |
| transcript.gazette[206].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[207].speaker |
陳委員玉珍 |
| transcript.gazette[207].start |
2025-01-15T14:44:36.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[207].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[207].end |
2025-01-15T14:44:40.386500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[207].text |
你要講到晚上嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[207].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[208].speaker |
陳委員玉珍 |
| transcript.gazette[208].start |
2025-01-15T14:44:40.386500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[208].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[208].end |
2025-01-15T14:44:44.622000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[208].text |
那講完…… |
| transcript.gazette[208].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[209].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[209].start |
2025-01-15T14:44:44.622000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[209].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[209].end |
2025-01-15T14:44:48.344000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[209].text |
我要把這個講完，大家愛怎麼樣，才能夠迎刃而解…… |
| transcript.gazette[209].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[210].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[210].start |
2025-01-15T14:44:48.344000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[210].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[210].end |
2025-01-15T14:44:50.985000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[210].text |
柯總召，拜託要掌握一下時間，因為……拜託。 |
| transcript.gazette[210].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[211].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[211].start |
2025-01-15T14:44:50.985000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[211].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[211].end |
2025-01-15T14:44:53.626000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[211].text |
我會掌握。 |
| transcript.gazette[211].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[212].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[212].start |
2025-01-15T14:44:53.626000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[212].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[212].end |
2025-01-15T14:45:04.612000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[212].text |
重點是，黃國昌大委員，我最喜歡吐他槽，他也最喜歡吐我槽，他現在都
很忍耐，不會跟我「嘿嘿叫」，因為我不插他嘴，他就沒辦法了。 |
| transcript.gazette[212].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[213].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[213].start |
2025-01-15T14:45:06.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[213].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[213].end |
2025-01-15T14:45:11.975000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[213].text |
我插他的嘴，他就跳起來，
他跳起來跑掉也不好，所以就是我們大家要忍耐一下，好好講。 |
| transcript.gazette[213].quality |
0.886 |
| transcript.gazette[214].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[214].start |
2025-01-15T14:45:15.317000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[214].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[214].end |
2025-01-15T14:45:29.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[214].text |
黃國昌講的，有些是對的沒有錯，那天講的，大家在那邊協商、很愉快，表決的時候不發言
，也不重付表決，對！ |
| transcript.gazette[214].quality |
0.548 |
| transcript.gazette[215].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[215].start |
2025-01-15T14:45:29.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[215].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[215].end |
2025-01-15T14:45:39.116000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[215].text |
可是他現在也講到一個，各位假如要改變的時候，全部不協商來表決，
他也贊成。 |
| transcript.gazette[215].quality |
0.906 |
| transcript.gazette[216].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[216].start |
2025-01-15T14:45:39.936000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[216].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[216].end |
2025-01-15T14:45:54.103000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[216].text |
我都尊重，全部協商，但是各位，這些有三千多個案，這樣保留下來，這些你按表
協 10
決器就算按到天亮，按一個月也按不完，因為重付表決，再表決按一個月也按不完。 |
| transcript.gazette[216].quality |
0.677 |
| transcript.gazette[217].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[217].start |
2025-01-15T14:45:54.883000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[217].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[217].end |
2025-01-15T14:46:05.138000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[217].text |
以前王金平在的時候，朝野協商是我一個人坐下來，所有各部會沒有說先去溝通的，都是現
場見輸贏，譬如經濟部的部分進來，經濟部哪些案子在野黨有意見，馬上辯論，輸贏立見！ |
| transcript.gazette[217].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[218].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[218].start |
2025-01-15T14:46:05.138000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[218].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[218].end |
2025-01-15T14:46:19.256000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[218].text |
現
在發明一套要先去溝通，那只是去被凌遲而已嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[218].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[219].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[219].start |
2025-01-15T14:46:20.297000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[219].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[219].end |
2025-01-15T14:46:43.082000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[219].text |
一個小事情就可以被立委罰站、趕出去，甚
至是叫進去罵，罵到連隔壁的人都看不下去，排一整排，好像乞丐在領麵粉，行政部門的尊嚴
何在？ |
| transcript.gazette[219].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[220].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[220].start |
2025-01-15T14:46:44.143000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[220].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[220].end |
2025-01-15T14:46:45.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[220].text |
即便我們是在野黨也不會這樣！ |
| transcript.gazette[220].quality |
0.538 |
| transcript.gazette[221].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[221].start |
2025-01-15T14:46:45.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[221].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[221].end |
2025-01-15T14:46:53.554000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[221].text |
所以今天講清楚，黃國昌，你們在野黨要講清楚，是要混合式的，還是單純的協商？ |
| transcript.gazette[221].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[222].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[222].start |
2025-01-15T14:46:54.675000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[222].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[222].end |
2025-01-15T14:46:58.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[222].text |
是協商
混合式，或是完全不協商，全部一律表決？ |
| transcript.gazette[222].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[223].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[223].start |
2025-01-15T14:46:58.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[223].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[223].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:00.279000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[223].text |
你們自己決定，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[223].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[224].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[224].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:00.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[224].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[224].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:00.699000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[224].text |
你們自己決定。 |
| transcript.gazette[224].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[225].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[225].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:01.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[225].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[225].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:01.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[225].text |
我完全奉
陪！ |
| transcript.gazette[225].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[226].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[226].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:02.120000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[226].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[226].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:02.661000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[226].text |
等一下。再來…… |
| transcript.gazette[226].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[227].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[227].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:02.661000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[227].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[227].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:03.661000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[227].text |
還有啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[227].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[228].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[228].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:02.661000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[228].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[228].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:05.083000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[228].text |
柯總召，你到現在還沒有回答我剛剛提出來…… |
| transcript.gazette[228].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[229].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[229].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:05.083000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[229].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[229].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:06.083000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[229].text |
等一下，重點…… |
| transcript.gazette[229].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[230].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[230].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:05.863000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[230].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[230].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:06.223000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[230].text |
沒有、沒有，我要把它講清楚。 |
| transcript.gazette[230].quality |
0.455 |
| transcript.gazette[231].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[231].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:06.904000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[231].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[231].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:07.404000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[231].text |
我講清楚以後就不再發言了。院長…… |
| transcript.gazette[231].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[232].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[232].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:07.404000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[232].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[232].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:16.431000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[232].text |
院長，這裡面他講的規模大小當然不一樣，沒有錯，黃國昌講的…… |
| transcript.gazette[232].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[233].speaker |
陳委員玉珍 |
| transcript.gazette[233].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:16.431000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[233].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[233].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:18.072000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[233].text |
主席，我們有這麼多人，可不可以互相尊重一下？ |
| transcript.gazette[233].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[234].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[234].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:18.173000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[234].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[234].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:18.213000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[234].text |
尊重我講話嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[234].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[235].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[235].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:18.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[235].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[235].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:18.793000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[235].text |
我把話講完嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[235].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[236].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[236].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:18.933000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[236].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[236].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:19.273000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[236].text |
你們現在怕我講…… |
| transcript.gazette[236].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[237].speaker |
陳委員玉珍 |
| transcript.gazette[237].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:19.273000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[237].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[237].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:20.273000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[237].text |
你講 30分鐘了，要不要進入討論？ |
| transcript.gazette[237].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[238].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[238].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:19.293000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[238].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[238].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:20.575000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[238].text |
我要跟黃國昌直球對決，你們在怕什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[238].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[239].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[239].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:34.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[239].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[239].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:37.088000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[239].text |
你講 100句，主席一句都插不了嘴，你怎麼會這樣子呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[239].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[240].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[240].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:37.268000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[240].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[240].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:38.088000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[240].text |
你聽主席講一下嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[240].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[241].speaker |
陳委員玉珍 |
| transcript.gazette[241].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:38.088000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[241].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[241].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:39.088000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[241].text |
你一個人講 30分鐘！ |
| transcript.gazette[241].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[242].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[242].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:38.468000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[242].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[242].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:39.269000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[242].text |
我們一直都尊重你啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[242].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[243].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[243].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:39.429000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[243].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[243].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:39.849000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[243].text |
一直在尊重嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[243].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[244].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[244].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:39.849000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[244].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[244].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:40.849000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[244].text |
等一下，我講的問題…… |
| transcript.gazette[244].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[245].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[245].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:39.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[245].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[245].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:40.169000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[245].text |
你講這麼久！ |
| transcript.gazette[245].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[246].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[246].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:40.609000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[246].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[246].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:40.850000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[246].text |
讓主席講一下話這麼困難嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[246].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[247].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[247].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:40.850000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[247].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[247].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:41.850000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[247].text |
柯總召！ |
| transcript.gazette[247].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[248].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[248].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:40.850000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[248].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[248].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:40.870000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[248].text |
柯總召，這麼困難嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[248].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[249].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[249].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:52.795000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[249].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[249].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:55.256000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[249].text |
你尊重別
人這麼困難嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[249].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[250].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[250].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:55.256000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[250].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[250].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:56.537000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[250].text |
你尊重我把話講完嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[250].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[251].speaker |
陳委員玉珍 |
| transcript.gazette[251].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:56.937000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[251].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[251].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:58.758000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[251].text |
一個人講 40分鐘！協 11 |
| transcript.gazette[251].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[252].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[252].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:58.758000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[252].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[252].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:59.758000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[252].text |
你讓主席講一下，好嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[252].quality |
0.111 |
| transcript.gazette[253].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[253].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:59.758000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[253].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[253].end |
2025-01-15T14:48:00.758000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[253].text |
你……，我予以回答啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[253].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[254].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[254].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:59.138000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[254].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[254].end |
2025-01-15T14:47:59.598000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[254].text |
你可不可以讓主席講一下？ |
| transcript.gazette[254].quality |
0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[255].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[255].start |
2025-01-15T14:47:59.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[255].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[255].end |
2025-01-15T14:48:00.138000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[255].text |
好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[255].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[256].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[256].start |
2025-01-15T14:48:03.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[256].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[256].end |
2025-01-15T14:48:18.679000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[256].text |
黃國昌講的也有道理，現在預算規模不一樣，2000 年的時候是兩兆一，所以統刪多
少，現在 2025 年是三兆二，所以不能統刪 200，變成 400，這個有道理，我都接受。 |
| transcript.gazette[256].quality |
0.732 |
| transcript.gazette[257].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[257].start |
2025-01-15T14:48:19.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[257].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[257].end |
2025-01-15T14:48:19.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[257].text |
但是呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[257].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[258].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[258].start |
2025-01-15T14:48:23.523000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[258].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[258].end |
2025-01-15T14:48:31.790000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[258].text |
以前兩兆一，為什麼能夠成長到三兆二，代表我們執政的時候把經濟搞得很好，……增加嘛，
才有可能這樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[258].quality |
0.805 |
| transcript.gazette[259].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[259].start |
2025-01-15T14:48:31.790000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[259].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[259].end |
2025-01-15T14:48:32.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[259].text |
這不是舉債來的！ |
| transcript.gazette[259].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[260].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[260].start |
2025-01-15T14:48:32.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[260].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[260].end |
2025-01-15T14:48:36.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[260].text |
好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[260].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[261].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[261].start |
2025-01-15T14:48:36.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[261].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[261].end |
2025-01-15T14:48:37.853000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[261].text |
這個都是有財政紀律法存在的…… |
| transcript.gazette[261].quality |
0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[262].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[262].start |
2025-01-15T14:48:39.194000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[262].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[262].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:07.386000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[262].text |
然後最後最重要，說什麼一開始就抹黑、抹紅，我告訴你，黃委員拿這個是有道理，
他講那個表，說軍事設備通刪 3%，但是今年情況比較不一樣，我請問你，潛艦的預算可以通刪
嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[262].quality |
0.686 |
| transcript.gazette[263].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[263].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:07.386000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[263].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[263].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:12.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[263].text |
有一個機敏的、國家很需要的戰機維護，那可以通刪嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[263].quality |
0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[264].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[264].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:12.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[264].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[264].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:14.710000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[264].text |
無人機可以通刪嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[264].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[265].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[265].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:16.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[265].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[265].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:21.152000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[265].text |
這些都是對
國家安全非常重要的，你可以通刪嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[265].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[266].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[266].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:21.152000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[266].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[266].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:21.832000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[266].text |
所以這個要區分！ |
| transcript.gazette[266].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[267].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[267].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:23.013000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[267].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[267].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:23.953000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[267].text |
這個是用這份資料來騙的！ |
| transcript.gazette[267].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[268].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[268].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:26.533000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[268].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[268].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:26.674000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[268].text |
裡面藏了
什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[268].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[269].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[269].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:27.634000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[269].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[269].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:28.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[269].text |
藏了多少東西？ |
| transcript.gazette[269].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[270].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[270].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:29.794000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[270].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[270].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:32.175000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[270].text |
所以我們吳思瑤委員根本沒有抹黑你！ |
| transcript.gazette[270].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[271].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[271].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:34.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[271].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[271].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:35.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[271].text |
他根本沒有抹黑、抹紅你！ |
| transcript.gazette[271].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[272].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[272].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:38.132000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[272].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[272].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:39.854000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[272].text |
你們
司馬昭之心，路人皆知啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[272].quality |
0.417 |
| transcript.gazette[273].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[273].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:40.355000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[273].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[273].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:41.156000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[273].text |
我要講清楚嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[273].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[274].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[274].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:43.078000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[274].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[274].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:43.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[274].text |
所以呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[274].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[275].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[275].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:44.319000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[275].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[275].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:46.582000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[275].text |
我們現在談國民黨的案子，國民黨…… |
| transcript.gazette[275].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[276].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[276].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:46.582000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[276].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[276].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:48.845000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[276].text |
柯總召，對不起，我不能再讓你發言了。 |
| transcript.gazette[276].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[277].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[277].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:48.845000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[277].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[277].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:50.707000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[277].text |
國民黨喔…… |
| transcript.gazette[277].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[278].speaker |
陳委員玉珍 |
| transcript.gazette[278].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:50.707000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[278].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[278].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:51.768000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[278].text |
這太不尊重其他人了！ |
| transcript.gazette[278].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[279].speaker |
陳委員玉珍 |
| transcript.gazette[279].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:51.788000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[279].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[279].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:51.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[279].text |
一個人講 40分鐘…… |
| transcript.gazette[279].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[280].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[280].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:51.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[280].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[280].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:52.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[280].text |
國民黨 3,800億…… |
| transcript.gazette[280].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[281].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[281].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:52.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[281].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[281].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:53.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[281].text |
柯總召，對不起，這樣子沒有辦法…… |
| transcript.gazette[281].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[282].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[282].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:53.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[282].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[282].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:54.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[282].text |
還有通刪的部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[282].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[283].speaker |
陳委員玉珍 |
| transcript.gazette[283].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:54.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[283].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[283].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:55.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[283].text |
你要審預算，還是不審預算呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[283].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[284].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[284].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:55.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[284].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[284].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:56.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[284].text |
我當主席，我沒有辦法這樣子拖下去。講到…… |
| transcript.gazette[284].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[285].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[285].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:56.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[285].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[285].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:57.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[285].text |
你不能任何一題都講 30分鐘以上…… |
| transcript.gazette[285].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[286].speaker |
陳委員玉珍 |
| transcript.gazette[286].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:57.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[286].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[286].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:58.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[286].text |
40分鐘了！ |
| transcript.gazette[286].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[287].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[287].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:58.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[287].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[287].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:59.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[287].text |
我是在回答黃國昌的問題…… |
| transcript.gazette[287].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[288].speaker |
陳委員玉珍 |
| transcript.gazette[288].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:59.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[288].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[288].end |
2025-01-15T14:50:00.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[288].text |
進入主題好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[288].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[289].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[289].start |
2025-01-15T14:50:00.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[289].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[289].end |
2025-01-15T14:50:01.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[289].text |
我們又不是在辯論，我們在協商，柯總召！ |
| transcript.gazette[289].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[290].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[290].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:56.333000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[290].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[290].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:57.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[290].text |
我們不是在辯論，我們在協商。 |
| transcript.gazette[290].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[291].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[291].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:57.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[291].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[291].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:58.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[291].text |
和預算相關嘛…… |
| transcript.gazette[291].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[292].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[292].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:57.654000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[292].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[292].end |
2025-01-15T14:49:58.234000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[292].text |
已經快一個小時了，你都不講…… |
| transcript.gazette[292].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[293].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[293].start |
2025-01-15T14:49:58.234000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[293].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[293].end |
2025-01-15T14:50:18.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[293].text |
韓國瑜啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[293].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[294].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[294].start |
2025-01-15T14:50:18.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[294].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[294].end |
2025-01-15T14:50:19.443000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[294].text |
你以為我是白癡啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[294].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[295].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[295].start |
2025-01-15T14:50:19.943000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[295].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[295].end |
2025-01-15T14:50:20.944000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[295].text |
你當什麼主席啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[295].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[296].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[296].start |
2025-01-15T14:50:21.484000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[296].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[296].end |
2025-01-15T14:50:24.046000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[296].text |
我講的是國家安全的問題，你今天
不讓我講…… |
| transcript.gazette[296].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[297].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[297].start |
2025-01-15T14:50:24.046000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[297].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[297].end |
2025-01-15T14:50:25.580667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[297].text |
習近平看到你會…… |
| transcript.gazette[297].quality |
0.143 |
| transcript.gazette[298].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[298].start |
2025-01-15T14:50:25.580667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[298].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[298].end |
2025-01-15T14:50:27.115333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[298].text |
你根本是在搞鬼啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[298].quality |
0.125 |
| transcript.gazette[299].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[299].start |
2025-01-15T14:50:27.115333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[299].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[299].end |
2025-01-15T14:50:28.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[299].text |
聽你在鬼扯………… |
| transcript.gazette[299].quality |
0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[300].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[300].start |
2025-01-15T14:50:28.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[300].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[300].end |
2025-01-15T14:50:30.211000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[300].text |
既然他說我們抹紅你，我可以回答吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[300].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[301].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[301].start |
2025-01-15T14:50:30.211000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[301].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[301].end |
2025-01-15T14:50:31.577400+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[301].text |
為什麼我們都可以尊重主席，你……………… |
| transcript.gazette[301].quality |
0.231 |
| transcript.gazette[302].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
| transcript.gazette[302].start |
2025-01-15T14:50:31.577400+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[302].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[302].end |
2025-01-15T14:50:32.943800+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[302].text |
你們發言，我們有插過半句話嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[302].quality |
0.077 |
| transcript.gazette[303].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[303].start |
2025-01-15T14:50:32.943800+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[303].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[303].end |
2025-01-15T14:50:34.310200+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[303].text |
為什麼大家可以節制發言時間，你們…… |
| transcript.gazette[303].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[304].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
| transcript.gazette[304].start |
2025-01-15T14:50:34.310200+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[304].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[304].end |
2025-01-15T14:50:35.676600+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[304].text |
你們發言，我們沒有插過半句話，大家尊重！ |
| transcript.gazette[304].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[305].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[305].start |
2025-01-15T14:50:35.676600+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[305].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[305].end |
2025-01-15T14:50:37.043000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[305].text |
你尊重主席好嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[305].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[306].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[306].start |
2025-01-15T14:50:37.043000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[306].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[306].end |
2025-01-15T14:50:38.409400+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[306].text |
不是說好發言不插話嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[306].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[307].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[307].start |
2025-01-15T14:50:38.409400+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[307].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[307].end |
2025-01-15T14:50:39.775800+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[307].text |
我們沒有插你的話！ |
| transcript.gazette[307].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[308].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[308].start |
2025-01-15T14:50:39.775800+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[308].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[308].end |
2025-01-15T14:50:41.142200+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[308].text |
現在請主席講話！ |
| transcript.gazette[308].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[309].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[309].start |
2025-01-15T14:50:41.142200+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[309].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[309].end |
2025-01-15T14:50:42.508600+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[309].text |
派一些跳梁小丑，根本……白癡啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[309].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[310].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[310].start |
2025-01-15T14:50:42.508600+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[310].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[310].end |
2025-01-15T14:50:43.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[310].text |
柯總召，我已經講過了，你閉嘴，我才要閉嘴！ |
| transcript.gazette[310].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[311].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[311].start |
2025-01-15T14:50:43.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[311].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[311].end |
2025-01-15T14:51:15.296000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[311].text |
王鴻薇委員，我這樣講，因為柯總統講到現在還沒有同意禮拜六、禮拜天是不是加開朝野協
商，因為我們先確定會議的時間再來討論…… |
| transcript.gazette[311].quality |
0.907 |
| transcript.gazette[312].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[312].start |
2025-01-15T14:51:15.296000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[312].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[312].end |
2025-01-15T14:51:18.457000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[312].text |
……重要的，可以…… |
| transcript.gazette[312].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[313].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[313].start |
2025-01-15T14:51:18.457000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[313].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[313].end |
2025-01-15T14:51:28.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[313].text |
我現在跟各黨團幹部報告，柯總召，你剛剛答應我，你針對禮拜六、禮拜天加開朝野協商，
你要同意還是不同意，你講了三十多分鐘，你還沒有同意。 |
| transcript.gazette[313].quality |
0.948 |
| transcript.gazette[314].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[314].start |
2025-01-15T14:51:28.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[314].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[314].end |
2025-01-15T14:51:29.407000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[314].text |
同意了！ |
| transcript.gazette[314].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[315].speaker |
陳委員玉珍 |
| transcript.gazette[315].start |
2025-01-15T14:51:29.407000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[315].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[315].end |
2025-01-15T14:51:30.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[315].text |
同意了！ |
| transcript.gazette[315].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[316].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[316].start |
2025-01-15T14:51:30.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[316].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[316].end |
2025-01-15T14:51:31.661000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[316].text |
全部都沒有意見，你們要怎樣，我都沒有意見。 |
| transcript.gazette[316].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[317].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[317].start |
2025-01-15T14:51:31.661000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[317].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[317].end |
2025-01-15T14:51:39.004000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[317].text |
禮拜六、禮拜天加開朝野協商，我們不加開院會，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[317].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[318].speaker |
陳委員玉珍 |
| transcript.gazette[318].start |
2025-01-15T14:51:39.004000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[318].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[318].end |
2025-01-15T14:51:40.004000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[318].text |
同意啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[318].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[319].speaker |
陳委員玉珍 |
| transcript.gazette[319].start |
2025-01-15T14:51:40.004000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[319].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[319].end |
2025-01-15T14:51:41.004000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[319].text |
他沒意見。 |
| transcript.gazette[319].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[320].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[320].start |
2025-01-15T14:51:39.004000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[320].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[320].end |
2025-01-15T14:51:46.104000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[320].text |
院長，你們要怎麼樣、要加開，我絕對沒有意見，你們不通刪，要全部表決，我也沒
有意見…… |
| transcript.gazette[320].quality |
0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[321].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[321].start |
2025-01-15T14:51:46.104000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[321].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[321].end |
2025-01-15T14:51:46.885000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[321].text |
我們先處理開會時間，不是討論…… |
| transcript.gazette[321].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[322].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[322].start |
2025-01-15T14:51:46.885000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[322].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[322].end |
2025-01-15T14:51:47.885000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[322].text |
……還是混和式，我都沒有意見…… |
| transcript.gazette[322].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[323].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[323].start |
2025-01-15T14:51:46.885000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[323].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[323].end |
2025-01-15T14:51:47.405000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[323].text |
我們不是討論預算內容嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[323].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[324].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[324].start |
2025-01-15T14:51:47.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[324].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[324].end |
2025-01-15T14:51:47.725000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[324].text |
先確定開會的時間嘛！協 13 |
| transcript.gazette[324].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[325].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[325].start |
2025-01-15T14:51:47.805000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[325].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[325].end |
2025-01-15T14:51:48.926000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[325].text |
我會等待你們，你在野黨是少數，全部配合。 |
| transcript.gazette[325].quality |
0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[326].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[326].start |
2025-01-15T14:51:49.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[326].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[326].end |
2025-01-15T14:51:49.066000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[326].text |
不要談了，不是！ |
| transcript.gazette[326].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[327].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[327].start |
2025-01-15T14:51:49.186000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[327].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[327].end |
2025-01-15T14:51:49.526000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[327].text |
我們先確定開會的時間…… |
| transcript.gazette[327].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[328].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[328].start |
2025-01-15T14:51:49.526000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[328].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[328].end |
2025-01-15T14:51:50.526000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[328].text |
我都已經講了這麼清楚了，還聽不懂嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[328].quality |
0.062 |
| transcript.gazette[329].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[329].start |
2025-01-15T14:51:49.626000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[329].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[329].end |
2025-01-15T14:51:50.046000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[329].text |
那我們現在就簽字，我們現在就簽字了？ |
| transcript.gazette[329].quality |
0.375 |
| transcript.gazette[330].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[330].start |
2025-01-15T14:51:50.046000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[330].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[330].end |
2025-01-15T14:51:51.046000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[330].text |
簽字就簽字啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[330].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[331].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[331].start |
2025-01-15T14:51:50.146000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[331].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[331].end |
2025-01-15T14:51:51.587000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[331].text |
禮拜六、禮拜天加開朝野協商，我們不加開院會。 |
| transcript.gazette[331].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[332].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[332].start |
2025-01-15T14:52:09.486000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[332].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[332].end |
2025-01-15T14:52:09.706000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[332].text |
好，請黃國昌。 |
| transcript.gazette[332].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[333].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[333].start |
2025-01-15T14:52:11.468000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[333].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[333].end |
2025-01-15T14:52:26.399000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[333].text |
我尊重院長對會議的主持，但我可能要懇求院長一件事，三個黨團的發言，我覺得基
本上還是要公平，剛剛民主進步黨黨團進行了第二輪發言，其他兩個黨團是不是也有相同的機
會來進行第二輪發言？ |
| transcript.gazette[333].quality |
0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[334].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[334].start |
2025-01-15T14:52:27.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[334].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[334].end |
2025-01-15T14:52:50.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[334].text |
時間上我們都尊重院長的設定，院長如果要設定，譬如 3 分鐘、5 分鐘，
給大家一個清楚的時間，我們都願意遵守，但我覺得各個黨團有公平發言的機會，這是一個重
要的原則，民主進步黨黨團剛剛已經玩了第二輪了嘛，其他的黨團是不是應該有第二輪的機會
？ |
| transcript.gazette[334].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[335].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[335].start |
2025-01-15T14:52:51.218000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[335].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[335].end |
2025-01-15T14:52:51.318000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[335].text |
請院長裁示。 |
| transcript.gazette[335].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[336].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[336].start |
2025-01-15T14:52:51.318000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[336].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[336].end |
2025-01-15T14:52:52.499000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[336].text |
我完全同意！ |
| transcript.gazette[336].quality |
0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[337].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[337].start |
2025-01-15T14:52:52.499000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[337].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[337].end |
2025-01-15T14:52:53.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[337].text |
本人最愛公平…… |
| transcript.gazette[337].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[338].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[338].start |
2025-01-15T14:52:53.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[338].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[338].end |
2025-01-15T14:52:54.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[338].text |
你不要壓麥克風嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[338].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[339].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[339].start |
2025-01-15T14:52:54.281000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[339].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[339].end |
2025-01-15T14:52:55.321000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[339].text |
這樣我這個主席要怎麼主持？ |
| transcript.gazette[339].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[340].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[340].start |
2025-01-15T14:52:55.321000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[340].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[340].end |
2025-01-15T14:52:55.622000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[340].text |
我講半個鐘頭，王鴻薇可以講一個鐘頭，我都沒意見。 |
| transcript.gazette[340].quality |
0.381 |
| transcript.gazette[341].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[341].start |
2025-01-15T14:52:55.762000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[341].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[341].end |
2025-01-15T14:52:56.222000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[341].text |
柯總召，你不要壓麥克風發言好嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[341].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[342].speaker |
麥委員玉珍 |
| transcript.gazette[342].start |
2025-01-15T14:52:56.222000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[342].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[342].end |
2025-01-15T14:52:59.505250+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[342].text |
有意見，因為我們不想…… |
| transcript.gazette[342].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[343].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[343].start |
2025-01-15T14:52:59.505250+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[343].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[343].end |
2025-01-15T14:53:02.788500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[343].text |
你們這些跳梁小丑啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[343].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[344].speaker |
麥委員玉珍 |
| transcript.gazette[344].start |
2025-01-15T14:53:02.788500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[344].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[344].end |
2025-01-15T14:53:06.071750+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[344].text |
我們要講重點…… |
| transcript.gazette[344].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[345].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
| transcript.gazette[345].start |
2025-01-15T14:53:06.071750+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[345].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[345].end |
2025-01-15T14:53:09.355000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[345].text |
剛剛王鴻薇他們…… |
| transcript.gazette[345].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[346].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[346].start |
2025-01-15T14:53:09.355000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[346].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[346].end |
2025-01-15T14:53:09.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[346].text |
不只他。 |
| transcript.gazette[346].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[347].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[347].start |
2025-01-15T14:53:10.675000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[347].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[347].end |
2025-01-15T14:53:32.688000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[347].text |
各位黨團幹部，因為我們有這麼多的案子，當然我們大家要自己來控制一下發言時間，我剛
剛所提的這些，先確定我們星期六、星期天要不要加開朝野協商，我們先針對這個議題，大家
來發言，發言完畢之後，我們就確定了時間、議程，到了預算內容的時候，大家可以各自發揮
，好嗎？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[347].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[348].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[348].start |
2025-01-15T14:53:33.548000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[348].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[348].end |
2025-01-15T14:53:34.369000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[348].text |
我們請傅崐萁總召，請。 |
| transcript.gazette[348].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[349].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[349].start |
2025-01-15T14:53:37.804000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[349].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[349].end |
2025-01-15T14:53:38.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[349].text |
院長辛苦了。 |
| transcript.gazette[349].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[350].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[350].start |
2025-01-15T14:53:40.027000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[350].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[350].end |
2025-01-15T14:53:47.117000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[350].text |
我想先對剛剛院長所提出來，是不是我們六日能夠來進行朝野協商表示
意見。 |
| transcript.gazette[350].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[351].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[351].start |
2025-01-15T14:53:48.759000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[351].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[351].end |
2025-01-15T14:54:03.271000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[351].text |
基本上柯總召剛剛也表達他願意配合，在我們發言的同時，我建議院長就已經把朝野協
商的結論先給大家簽，就不用影響到我們現在持續的發言好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[351].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[352].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[352].start |
2025-01-15T14:54:04.791000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[352].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[352].end |
2025-01-15T14:54:27.071000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[352].text |
第二個，當然我們國民黨還是保持持續善意的溝通，但是我在這裡也提醒一下院長，很抱歉
我也提醒一下院長，請問一下，全世界哪一個先進的民主國家國會議員的發言是沒有限制時間
的？ |
| transcript.gazette[352].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[353].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[353].start |
2025-01-15T14:54:28.872000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[353].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[353].end |
2025-01-15T14:54:41.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[353].text |
在哪一個民主的國會，他的發言可以肆意妄為，要講一天也好、要講半天也好、個人獨白
也好，還是幾十年來的牢騷都可以講？ |
| transcript.gazette[353].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[354].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[354].start |
2025-01-15T14:54:43.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[354].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[354].end |
2025-01-15T14:55:14.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[354].text |
這個部分我們真的要有一個制度，到底發言時間是多長
，你可以講一輪、講兩輪、講三輪沒有關係，因為大家是一樣的平權，都可以來講話，但不能
協 14
老是……因為已經一年了，我們已經忍讓一年了，我們每次講話，今天因為剛好柯總召腳不太
舒服在旁邊走來走去，不然我們平常講話都很難順利講完，中間都要被他插話，插個七、八次
算正常。 |
| transcript.gazette[354].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[355].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[355].start |
2025-01-15T14:55:16.436000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[355].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[355].end |
2025-01-15T14:55:52.515000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[355].text |
院長，不能永遠叫在野黨去忍讓，我們的發言到底是多少時間，這要明確化，如果民主進步
黨、執政黨如果認為一輪的發言不能把他的重點講完，可以第二輪再來講，沒有關係，這是一
個事情要拜託院長來主持會議程序，才不會像今天這麼多的委員不滿，因為大家積壓太久了，
積壓太久了，您作的裁處，我相信大家都會支持。 |
| transcript.gazette[355].quality |
0.954 |
| transcript.gazette[356].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[356].start |
2025-01-15T14:55:54.716000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[356].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[356].end |
2025-01-15T14:56:25.066000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[356].text |
再過來，我們本來今天兩點鐘就要開始協商總預算內部實質的協商，我想柯總召剛剛大筆一
揮，我們又這樣耗掉一個多小時，那現在是不是可以拜託一下，因為既然有三千多案，其實歷
年來也差不多是這個數字，也差不多是兩、三千案，三、四千案，也差不多啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[356].quality |
0.99 |
| transcript.gazette[357].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[357].start |
2025-01-15T14:56:26.347000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[357].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[357].end |
2025-01-15T14:56:58.966000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[357].text |
那我想是不是
就懇請院長，我們在協商每一案的時候，決定協商每一案的時間不能超過多少，因為基本上我
想我們提案的委員或許要表達，也或許不表達，如果執政黨要發言就以一次為限，我們就進入
下一案，那一次是多少時間，明確針對該案來表達意見就好。 |
| transcript.gazette[357].quality |
0.934 |
| transcript.gazette[358].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[358].start |
2025-01-15T14:57:01.128000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[358].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[358].end |
2025-01-15T14:57:34.027000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[358].text |
我們要再次強調，這一年來國民黨一直非常理性的在立法院尊重院長的指示，以及我們立法
院所有的議事規則，我們都照這樣來進行，但這一年下來，每一次在干擾議事不能開會的、占
領主席台的往往都是執政黨，我們還要很費力量地去排除被占據的主席台才能夠順利開會，這
我們深表遺憾。 |
| transcript.gazette[358].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[359].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[359].start |
2025-01-15T14:57:35.028000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[359].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[359].end |
2025-01-15T14:58:17.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[359].text |
但是更讓大家覺得不解的就是，國會議員來監督行政機關，對於所有預算的執
行，不管是刪除也好，不管是凍結也好，今天國防部的部長顧立雄先生說我們潛艦國造要怎麼
樣來保護我們的國防，今天不管朝野有哪一個黨在反對，事實上也是依照顧立雄部長的要求，
他 114 年只要用 2 億，但是就很奇怪，浮編了一個 20 億，明明他只要用 2 億，為什麼要編一個
20 億？ |
| transcript.gazette[359].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[360].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[360].start |
2025-01-15T14:58:17.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[360].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[360].end |
2025-01-15T14:58:50.425000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[360].text |
所以 18 億的凍結是這樣子來的，但是鋪天蓋地的這些網軍跟側翼一直在攻擊我們這個事
情，這是國防部的部長顧立雄自己要求的，那我們按照民進黨執政黨所派任的國防部顧立雄部
長的要求來做成這樣的提案，就變成是我們又代表哪一種勢力，在這裡不斷地攻擊、不斷地抹
黑。 |
| transcript.gazette[360].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[361].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[361].start |
2025-01-15T14:58:54.137000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[361].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[361].end |
2025-01-15T14:59:45.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[361].text |
這個總預算已經到三兆多，對於這十幾億的媒體文宣，我想這個已經是整個臺灣的一個悲哀
，執政者已經握有所有的權力，他沒有好好的來跟在野黨溝通，也沒有召開國是會議，我不曉
得賴總統到今天為止……他沒有去參加施明德主席今天中午的冥誕宴會，他當然很唏噓他不能
去，因為在那種年代裡面，施明德主席願意讓朝野喝大和解的咖啡，大家坐下來談，但是今天
已經整整超過一年了，賴清德總統您當選超過一年，有沒有要來召開國是會議？ |
| transcript.gazette[361].quality |
0.94 |
| transcript.gazette[362].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[362].start |
2025-01-15T14:59:45.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[362].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[362].end |
2025-01-15T14:59:47.401000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[362].text |
有沒有來跟所
有的在野黨溝通？ |
| transcript.gazette[362].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[363].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[363].start |
2025-01-15T14:59:48.141000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[363].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[363].end |
2025-01-15T14:59:51.722000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[363].text |
我們完全看不到，這是一個國家元首該有的行為嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[363].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[364].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[364].start |
2025-01-15T14:59:51.722000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[364].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[364].end |
2025-01-15T15:00:52.908000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[364].text |
然後再用了人民的血汗錢，現在百工百業多麼辛苦，臺灣的觀光竟然農曆年住房率只有三成
多，百工百業如此的辛苦，而此時此刻，還有這麼多的網軍、側翼拿了人民的血汗錢在這裡肆
意妄為，來攻擊在野黨、來做各種的攻訐，所以這個執政者就是錢已經多到……像這個黑熊學
院，連我們警政署要怎麼防衛，還要拿兩千多萬請黑熊學院教大家防衛，更好笑的是內政部長
劉世芳還要辦家庭園遊會，要請黑熊學院來辦，他先是否認這個事情，然後當密件被大家查到
協 15
以後，又說我還沒發包，這只是舉例又不一定是他。 |
| transcript.gazette[364].quality |
0.918 |
| transcript.gazette[365].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[365].start |
2025-01-15T15:00:54.589000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[365].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[365].end |
2025-01-15T15:00:58.532000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[365].text |
劉世芳部長又通令各縣市，這個密件不能
給民代看到。 |
| transcript.gazette[365].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[366].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[366].start |
2025-01-15T15:00:59.672000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[366].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[366].end |
2025-01-15T15:01:04.015000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[366].text |
為什麼一個執政者用這種鬼鬼祟祟、見不得光的態度？ |
| transcript.gazette[366].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[367].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
| transcript.gazette[367].start |
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我們在這裡再次強調，一
個執政者應該要有寬大的胸襟、恢宏的格局，應該對國家發展的方向大家好好的來溝通，不是
到處藏這種錢，用人民的血汗錢養網軍、養側翼，來攻擊在野黨，這不是一個執政者該有的態
度！ |
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傅委員崐萁 |
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還是回到我們今天是總預算的朝野協商，我敦請院長，我們已經忍受一年了，全世界哪一個
民主國家的會議發言是沒有時間限制的，請告訴我，請告訴我，是不是每次一個人的獨白一天
的會議就沒有了？ |
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| transcript.gazette[369].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
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而且剛剛講到，是不是大家現在談統刪要刪多少額度，這也是柯總召提出來
的，我都沒有發言，我們都敬表尊重，因為這是他的看法，接著下來又回馬槍，他說國防預算
可以統刪嗎？ |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[370].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
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2025-01-15T15:02:08.500000+08:00 |
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潛艦可以統刪嗎？ |
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0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[371].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
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2025-01-15T15:02:09.240000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T15:02:11.901000+08:00 |
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無人機可以統刪嗎？ |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[372].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
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我們彷彿隔世，半小時前柯總召才自己講
的，半小時以後，他又否定這個東西，說怎麼可以統刪？ |
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0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[373].speaker |
傅委員崐萁 |
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我們實在聽不懂了！ |
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1 |
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傅委員崐萁 |
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前後也不對題，
所以我們還是回到逐案來審查，尊重各個委員的提案，這才是一個國會議員該做的事情、我們
朝野協商該做的事情，好不好？謝謝。 |
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0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[375].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
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2025-01-15T15:02:43.014000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T15:02:43.174000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席。 |
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1 |
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黃委員國昌 |
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2025-01-15T15:02:44.395000+08:00 |
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我還是針對事情先從頭到尾做一些清楚的釐清。 |
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0.9 |
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黃委員國昌 |
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剛剛柯建銘總召在離場的
時候指責在場其他黨的代表是跳梁小丑、賣國，跳梁小丑、賣國，我們沒有辦法接受這樣子抹
紅的謾罵！ |
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0.942 |
| transcript.gazette[378].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
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2025-01-15T15:03:11.537000+08:00 |
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我們現在是在進行黨團協商，針對總預算進行黨團協商，堂堂執政黨的總召指責其
他黨團的代表，說我們都是跳梁小丑，在賣國，請問這是什麼態度？ |
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0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[379].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
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可以這樣子嗎？ |
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1 |
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黃委員國昌 |
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第二個，就事論事來談，我相信每一年我們編國防預算，軍事裝備及設施當然都很重要，每
一年都很重要，2019 年的時候最緊張，也很重要，2020 年也很重要，2021 年也很重要，結果剛
剛柯建銘總召把他們黨團幹部抹紅，為了要辯護他們抹紅在野黨這一種不實的言論，說今年不
一樣，那奇怪了！ |
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0.982 |
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黃委員國昌 |
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2025-01-15T15:04:20.635000+08:00 |
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代表過去這十年曾經被統刪的軍事設備裝備 5%到 3%那些錢都不重要，我們
現在不是在講統刪 50%或 70%或 90%的軍事設施，是 3%耶！3%耶！ |
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| transcript.gazette[382].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
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2025-01-15T15:04:45.898000+08:00 |
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我們按照過去歷年的統一
標準最低的 3%提案，結果竟然被我們執政黨的立委抹紅成中共的在地協力者，可以做這種事喔
！ |
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0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[383].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
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2025-01-15T15:05:01.408000+08:00 |
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可以做這種事喔！ |
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1 |
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黃委員國昌 |
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2025-01-15T15:05:03.690000+08:00 |
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什麼叫做中共的在地協力者？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[385].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
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2025-01-15T15:05:06.392000+08:00 |
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我就要請教，過去這十年贊成統刪的全體立
法委員是不是全部都是共匪，還是全部都是匪諜？ |
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0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[386].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
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在堂堂的國會殿堂上面，對其他在野黨按照
前例所提出來統刪的議案可以這樣抹紅喔！ |
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0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[387].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
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可以這樣抹紅喔！ |
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1 |
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黃委員國昌 |
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2025-01-15T15:05:26.183000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T15:06:02.457000+08:00 |
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這個就印證到為什麼我們要在媒
體宣傳費用上面大砍，因為即使是不實的言論，即使是抹紅的言論，他們鋪天蓋地的用他們的
媒體優勢，根本沒有在做事實查核，要抹紅就抹紅，這就是我們現在臺灣的民主所面對的狀況
，這個事情很嚴肅，我一定要把它講清楚。 |
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0.991 |
| transcript.gazette[389].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
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2025-01-15T15:06:03.818000+08:00 |
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台灣民眾黨黨團對於我們國防預算支持的程度是在
所有部會裡面……不管刪減的金額跟額度、提案數，我特別交代我們所有黨團的成員要支持臺
灣的國防，結果我們換來的是什麼？ |
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0.945 |
| transcript.gazette[390].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
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2025-01-15T15:06:25.667000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T15:06:33.972000+08:00 |
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換來的是按照以前的通例只刪 3%，卻被你民主進步黨抹紅
成是中共的在地協力者。 |
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0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[391].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
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2025-01-15T15:06:34.812000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T15:06:39.435000+08:00 |
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我再強調一次，我無法接受、我無法接受！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[392].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
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2025-01-15T15:06:40.595000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T15:06:52.995000+08:00 |
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最後，如果按照執政黨的這種態度的話，我呼應剛剛柯建銘總召所講的，他說，可以不用協
商，要直接處理，他統統都同意。 |
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0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[393].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
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2025-01-15T15:06:53.915000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T15:06:57.357000+08:00 |
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我應該沒有記錯，他剛剛出去以前是這樣講的。 |
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0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[394].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
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2025-01-15T15:06:58.418000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T15:07:10.792000+08:00 |
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如果是這樣
協 16
子的話，案子這麼多，我就呼應柯建銘總召剛剛所講的，要直接處理，他統統都同意，台灣民
眾黨黨團敬表同意。 |
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0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[395].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
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2025-01-15T15:07:11.533000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T15:07:19.379000+08:00 |
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就按照柯建銘總召剛剛的說法，我們直接處理，台灣民眾黨黨團同意。 |
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0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[396].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
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2025-01-15T15:07:20.040000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T15:07:26.885000+08:00 |
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所
以我建議等一下協商結論，是不是明天早上 9 點鐘，明天禮拜四嘛？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[397].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
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2025-01-15T15:07:29.067000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[397].guessed |
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2025-01-15T15:07:31.947000+08:00 |
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明天還是開委員會，那沒
有關係啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[397].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[398].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[398].start |
2025-01-15T15:07:32.408000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[398].guessed |
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2025-01-15T15:07:42.972000+08:00 |
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我們就從星期五早上 9 點鐘開始直接就進場處理了，然後處理到下禮拜二，剛好有
三個整天的時間可以做處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[398].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[399].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
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2025-01-15T15:07:43.792000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T15:07:58.223000+08:00 |
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因為我們上次在協商結論的時候已經講得很清楚，沒有重付表決
這種事，白紙黑字都簽了！ |
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0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[400].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
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2025-01-15T15:07:59.323000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T15:08:18.032000+08:00 |
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今天我們是本於善意坐在這邊參與協商，但我坐在這邊參與協商，
我不是坐在這邊讓你抹紅，指著我的鼻子說我是中共的在地協力者，按照以前的通例，刪百分
之三是中共的在地協力者？ |
| transcript.gazette[400].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[401].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[401].start |
2025-01-15T15:08:19.713000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[401].guessed |
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2025-01-15T15:08:20.073000+08:00 |
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講這種話會不會太過分啦！ |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[402].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[402].start |
2025-01-15T15:08:26.855000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[402].end |
2025-01-15T15:08:35.087000+08:00 |
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國民黨黨團跟台灣民眾黨黨團兩位黨團的幹部，針對星期六、星期天加開朝野協商是同意還
是反對？ |
| transcript.gazette[402].quality |
0.634 |
| transcript.gazette[403].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[403].start |
2025-01-15T15:08:35.087000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[403].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[403].end |
2025-01-15T15:08:35.107000+08:00 |
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這個還沒有講。 |
| transcript.gazette[403].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[404].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[404].start |
2025-01-15T15:08:37.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[404].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[404].end |
2025-01-15T15:08:39.416000+08:00 |
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院長，大家都沒有意見…… |
| transcript.gazette[404].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[405].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[405].start |
2025-01-15T15:08:39.897000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[405].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[405].end |
2025-01-15T15:08:40.557000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[405].text |
沒有，台灣民眾黨還沒簽嘛，我現在要徵詢一下…… |
| transcript.gazette[405].quality |
0.421 |
| transcript.gazette[406].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[406].start |
2025-01-15T15:08:41.257000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[406].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[406].end |
2025-01-15T15:08:41.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[406].text |
台灣民眾黨講得很清楚…… |
| transcript.gazette[406].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[407].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[407].start |
2025-01-15T15:08:44.998000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[407].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[407].end |
2025-01-15T15:08:48.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[407].text |
不是啦，我是呼應剛剛柯建銘總召，所以我才不簽嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[407].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[408].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[408].start |
2025-01-15T15:08:49.759000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[408].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[408].end |
2025-01-15T15:08:58.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[408].text |
院長，你提出來的是禮拜六、
禮拜天來協商，但柯建銘總召剛剛離場的時候是說，不用協商，我們直接來處理嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[408].quality |
0.932 |
| transcript.gazette[409].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[409].start |
2025-01-15T15:08:58.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[409].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[409].end |
2025-01-15T15:09:00.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[409].text |
我為什麼
沒有簽？ |
| transcript.gazette[409].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[410].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[410].start |
2025-01-15T15:09:00.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[410].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[410].end |
2025-01-15T15:09:01.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[410].text |
黃國昌，等一下…… |
| transcript.gazette[410].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[411].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[411].start |
2025-01-15T15:09:00.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[411].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[411].end |
2025-01-15T15:09:08.787000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[411].text |
我完全呼應他的說法，所以我提議星期六、星期天就加開院會直接處理！ |
| transcript.gazette[411].quality |
0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[412].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[412].start |
2025-01-15T15:09:09.828000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[412].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[412].end |
2025-01-15T15:09:15.415000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[412].text |
要不然剛剛
柯建銘總召很擔心，大家一直按表決器時間會不夠……好啦！好啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[412].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[413].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[413].start |
2025-01-15T15:09:15.415000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[413].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[413].end |
2025-01-15T15:09:16.415000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[413].text |
你不用說了…… |
| transcript.gazette[413].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[414].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[414].start |
2025-01-15T15:09:15.415000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[414].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[414].end |
2025-01-15T15:09:17.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[414].text |
那星期六、星期天就開院會來處理嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[414].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[415].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[415].start |
2025-01-15T15:09:17.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[415].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[415].end |
2025-01-15T15:09:18.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[415].text |
院長，我講一下…… |
| transcript.gazette[415].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[416].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[416].start |
2025-01-15T15:09:17.978000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[416].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[416].end |
2025-01-15T15:09:20.201000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[416].text |
我不會同意你發言的，你等一下，你先讓我處理開會的時間嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[416].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[417].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[417].start |
2025-01-15T15:09:20.201000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[417].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[417].end |
2025-01-15T15:09:20.942000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[417].text |
我等他講完我要講嘛，可以吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[417].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[418].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[418].start |
2025-01-15T15:09:27.028000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[418].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[418].end |
2025-01-15T15:09:39.413000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[418].text |
黃總召，我跟你報告，柯總召的意思是說，如果要表決，他接受；如果要協商之後大家達成
共識，他也接受，他不是說只有單一，他有說到兩種。 |
| transcript.gazette[418].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[419].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[419].start |
2025-01-15T15:09:39.413000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[419].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[419].end |
2025-01-15T15:09:40.453500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[419].text |
還有混合式的…… |
| transcript.gazette[419].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[420].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[420].start |
2025-01-15T15:09:40.453500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[420].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[420].end |
2025-01-15T15:09:41.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[420].text |
我知道，讓我講完。 |
| transcript.gazette[420].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[421].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[421].start |
2025-01-15T15:09:41.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[421].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[421].end |
2025-01-15T15:09:47.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[421].text |
所以現在星期六、星期天要不要加開朝野協商，關於這個提案，大家同
意不同意？ |
| transcript.gazette[421].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[422].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[422].start |
2025-01-15T15:09:47.737000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[422].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[422].end |
2025-01-15T15:09:48.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[422].text |
我們先確定這個。 |
| transcript.gazette[422].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[423].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[423].start |
2025-01-15T15:09:48.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[423].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[423].end |
2025-01-15T15:09:52.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[423].text |
這是對的。 |
| transcript.gazette[423].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[424].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[424].start |
2025-01-15T15:09:52.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[424].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[424].end |
2025-01-15T15:09:56.086000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[424].text |
星期六、星期天要加開院會這件事情…… |
| transcript.gazette[424].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[425].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[425].start |
2025-01-15T15:09:59.489000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[425].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[425].end |
2025-01-15T15:10:00.109000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[425].text |
就沒有必要啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[425].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[426].speaker |
黃委員國昌 |
| transcript.gazette[426].start |
2025-01-15T15:10:00.469000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[426].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[426].end |
2025-01-15T15:10:02.991000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[426].text |
按照剛剛柯建銘的發言，就完全沒有必要啊！協 17 |
| transcript.gazette[426].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[427].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
| transcript.gazette[427].start |
2025-01-15T15:10:03.652000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[427].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[427].end |
2025-01-15T15:10:04.012000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[427].text |
他反對啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[427].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[428].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
| transcript.gazette[428].start |
2025-01-15T15:10:04.312000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[428].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[428].end |
2025-01-15T15:10:05.293000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[428].text |
好啦，院長，他反對啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[428].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[429].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
| transcript.gazette[429].start |
2025-01-15T15:10:05.333000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[429].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[429].end |
2025-01-15T15:10:06.554000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[429].text |
我們就趕快協商吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[429].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[430].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[430].start |
2025-01-15T15:10:06.794000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[430].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[430].end |
2025-01-15T15:10:09.136000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[430].text |
好，我們現在休息 10分鐘。 |
| transcript.gazette[430].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[431].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[431].start |
2025-01-15T15:10:11.018000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[431].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[431].end |
2025-01-15T15:10:27.605000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[431].text |
休息（15時 10分）
繼續開會（15時 38分） |
| transcript.gazette[431].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[432].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[432].start |
2025-01-15T15:38:40.994000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[432].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[432].end |
2025-01-15T15:38:51.276000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[432].text |
歡迎各位黨團幹部，請坐。 |
| transcript.gazette[432].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[433].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[433].start |
2025-01-15T15:38:51.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[433].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[433].end |
2025-01-15T15:39:10.597000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[433].text |
剛才在休息前，柯總召有舉手要求發言，請柯總召發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[433].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[434].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[434].start |
2025-01-15T15:39:10.657000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[434].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[434].end |
2025-01-15T15:39:11.338000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[434].text |
院長、各位委員同仁。 |
| transcript.gazette[434].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[435].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[435].start |
2025-01-15T15:39:11.478000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[435].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[435].end |
2025-01-15T15:39:47.885000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[435].text |
針對程序性問題，各黨都有發言，傅總召、黃總召發言完畢，
我當然要回應發言，韓院長也知道這個道理。 |
| transcript.gazette[435].quality |
0.854 |
| transcript.gazette[436].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[436].start |
2025-01-15T15:39:49.186000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[436].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[436].end |
2025-01-15T15:40:06.141000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[436].text |
首先，我要對傅崐萁總召講一句話，我曾經跟你
講過，你要限制我開會發言的時間，除非你把我打死，寧鳴而死，不默而生。 |
| transcript.gazette[436].quality |
0.854 |
| transcript.gazette[437].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[437].start |
2025-01-15T15:40:07.663000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[437].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[437].end |
2025-01-15T15:40:13.372000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[437].text |
你說全世界沒有
人、沒有一個國家沒有限制，每一個國家都有限制。 |
| transcript.gazette[437].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[438].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[438].start |
2025-01-15T15:40:16.116000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[438].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[438].end |
2025-01-15T15:40:20.223000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[438].text |
你講錯了，只有一個國家叫「中國」限制
發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[438].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[439].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[439].start |
2025-01-15T15:40:21.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[439].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[439].end |
2025-01-15T15:40:29.191000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[439].text |
你知道美國最有名的叫 filibuster，filibuster 是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[439].quality |
0.697 |
| transcript.gazette[440].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[440].start |
2025-01-15T15:40:29.191000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[440].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[440].end |
2025-01-15T15:41:05.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[440].text |
就是說你可以發言，從你站起來走到
發言臺，然後到開始發言都不能中斷，所以從站起來走到發言臺，就開始太空漫步，三進三退
、三進三退，一進兩退，這樣就搞了一整天，然後站上去發言的時候，是不可以中斷的，講話
不能停，停了就沒了，所以曾經有一個人這樣就搞了一個禮拜，這是民主的展現。 |
| transcript.gazette[440].quality |
0.849 |
| transcript.gazette[441].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[441].start |
2025-01-15T15:41:05.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[441].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[441].end |
2025-01-15T15:41:11.624000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[441].text |
傅總召不要
一直看臉書！ |
| transcript.gazette[441].quality |
0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[442].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[442].start |
2025-01-15T15:41:11.624000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[442].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[442].end |
2025-01-15T15:41:20.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[442].text |
所以只有中國限制發言、不能發言，全部舉手表決，就像韓院長主持兩次的院會
。 |
| transcript.gazette[442].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[443].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[443].start |
2025-01-15T15:41:20.728000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[443].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[443].end |
2025-01-15T15:41:26.711000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[443].text |
很多事情你們都亂講、倒果為因，什麼你們是在實踐民主，我們在反民主？ |
| transcript.gazette[443].quality |
0.69 |
| transcript.gazette[444].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[444].start |
2025-01-15T15:41:31.634000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[444].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[444].end |
2025-01-15T15:41:35.237000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[444].text |
你們是假民主，
然後在反民主！ |
| transcript.gazette[444].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[445].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[445].start |
2025-01-15T15:41:38.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[445].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[445].end |
2025-01-15T15:41:54.553000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[445].text |
各位，從立法院這一屆開始，我們忍受韓院長以及你們這一干人等這樣的蹂躪，踐踏國會、
沒收國會。 |
| transcript.gazette[445].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[446].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[446].start |
2025-01-15T15:41:55.954000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[446].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[446].end |
2025-01-15T15:42:18.899000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[446].text |
5 月 17 號處理國會假改革方案，你們先在那邊排占領主席臺，占領主席臺以後，黃
國昌直播，你俊俏的臉孔現在有點消瘦，然後就用點名表決，這個是誰發明的？ |
| transcript.gazette[446].quality |
0.742 |
| transcript.gazette[447].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[447].start |
2025-01-15T15:42:19.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[447].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[447].end |
2025-01-15T15:42:23.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[447].text |
我請周萬來，
你要解釋一下，可以這樣搞嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[447].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[448].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[448].start |
2025-01-15T15:42:23.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[448].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[448].end |
2025-01-15T15:42:28.921000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[448].text |
我在立法院 30 年來，從沒有看過這樣的東西，這種叫民主嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[448].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[449].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[449].start |
2025-01-15T15:42:31.082000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[449].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[449].end |
2025-01-15T15:42:53.688000+08:00 |
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不讓人發言，時間到不協商，委員會也不能講話、沒收，送院會一個月到就表決，要表決的時
候也沒有先協商，違反職權行使法第六十八條，第六十八條是院長存在最重要的一個條文。 |
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0.726 |
| transcript.gazette[450].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
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2025-01-15T15:42:57.749000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T15:43:03.172000+08:00 |
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當
有議案或是糾紛解決的時候，院長必須怎麼樣？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[451].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[451].start |
2025-01-15T15:43:03.172000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T15:43:11.296000+08:00 |
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必須主動處理，另外一個是由黨團行文給院長
，院長也要處理，這是立法院所以能夠存在是這個道理。 |
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0.829 |
| transcript.gazette[452].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[452].start |
2025-01-15T15:43:12.156000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[452].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[452].end |
2025-01-15T15:43:13.637000+08:00 |
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王金平院長的時候是怎麼樣呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[452].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[453].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[453].start |
2025-01-15T15:43:17.811000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[453].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[453].end |
2025-01-15T15:44:07.517000+08:00 |
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一個
法案協商 22 次，那就是食品安全管理法，要擴大沒收，也曾經在我第一屆進來的時候，一個法
案協商 23 次，石油業管理法，有關油品自由化的問題，所以立法院的民主是這樣產生的，協商
以後，有結論的有幾條，沒有結論的有幾條，那就針對那幾條發言，朝野才能夠節省時間；如
果協商以後完全沒有結論，也要簽一個照議事程序處理，這是要簽署的，所以變成怎麼樣？ |
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0.781 |
| transcript.gazette[454].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[454].start |
2025-01-15T15:44:07.517000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[454].end |
2025-01-15T15:44:18.671000+08:00 |
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通
常沒有結論，時間到講好幾次都沒有結論，那就全部所有人都發言，我們執政的時候，記得嗎
？ |
| transcript.gazette[454].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[455].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[455].start |
2025-01-15T15:44:18.671000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[455].end |
2025-01-15T15:44:43.087000+08:00 |
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農田水利會組織規程，要把水利會收歸國有的時候，國民黨反對，協商幾次都不成，當然就
尊重議事程序，國民黨每一個都發言，我們都接受，發言以後就表決，表決就定輸贏，輸的人
去釋憲，就是這樣。 |
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0.747 |
| transcript.gazette[456].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[456].start |
2025-01-15T15:44:43.087000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[456].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[456].end |
2025-01-15T15:44:51.451000+08:00 |
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我們今天也是這樣，是不是我們表演給你看過？ |
| transcript.gazette[456].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[457].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[457].start |
2025-01-15T15:44:51.451000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[457].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[457].end |
2025-01-15T15:45:05.677000+08:00 |
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去年 6 月 4 號原住民禁伐
補償的時候，我簽署給你們，我們表決時發言兩個人，輸了以後就去釋憲，是不是這樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[457].quality |
0.744 |
| transcript.gazette[458].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[458].start |
2025-01-15T15:45:05.677000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[458].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[458].end |
2025-01-15T15:45:10.259000+08:00 |
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為了
這個事情，從去年 6月份講到現在。 |
| transcript.gazette[458].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[459].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[459].start |
2025-01-15T15:45:12.193000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[459].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[459].end |
2025-01-15T15:45:26.640000+08:00 |
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最近我一直說要建立立法院的文化，我們不要吵架，也不用打架，就用表決器表決，但你用
協 18
什麼點名表決，點名表決你能知道誰是誰嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[459].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[460].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[460].start |
2025-01-15T15:45:26.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[460].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[460].end |
2025-01-15T15:45:27.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[460].text |
所以黃國昌全部在那邊亂講說誰沒有來、誰沒有
來，誰去點名的？ |
| transcript.gazette[460].quality |
0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[461].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[461].start |
2025-01-15T15:45:29.061000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[461].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[461].end |
2025-01-15T15:45:46.825000+08:00 |
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所以在這個地方我要特別駁斥，你藍白毀憲亂政，結果是要把臺灣民主完全
掐死嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[461].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[462].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[462].start |
2025-01-15T15:45:47.746000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[462].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[462].end |
2025-01-15T15:46:03.215000+08:00 |
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我說習近平長臂管轄臺灣國會、沒收國會、沒收民主，就是這個道理，你們大剌剌到
中國去見王滬寧，然後回來後有什麼動作？ |
| transcript.gazette[462].quality |
0.82 |
| transcript.gazette[463].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[463].start |
2025-01-15T15:46:03.855000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[463].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[463].end |
2025-01-15T15:46:20.191000+08:00 |
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其實 1 月 13 號立委選舉完以後，我們就很清楚了，
在野黨加起來已經過半，然後掌控立法院嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[463].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[464].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[464].start |
2025-01-15T15:46:21.351000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[464].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[464].end |
2025-01-15T15:46:30.073000+08:00 |
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所以我在 1 月 14 號講過一句話，黃國昌那時候還
說當院長的人要做國會改革，那當院長要不要做司法改革？ |
| transcript.gazette[464].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[465].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[465].start |
2025-01-15T15:46:31.193000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[465].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[465].end |
2025-01-15T15:46:37.019000+08:00 |
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這不是院長的職責，院長職責就是
立法院組織法第三條，就是你要怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[465].quality |
0.767 |
| transcript.gazette[466].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[466].start |
2025-01-15T15:46:37.019000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[466].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[466].end |
2025-01-15T15:47:18.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[466].text |
你要議事中立，你不能有黨職，這是立法院組織法規
定的，院長要調和鼎鼐，所以不能有黨職，你不能當你的黨的主席，這就是原則，所以各位要
了解法令，你們提的法令毀憲亂政，而且公然違法，程序都不正義，程序不正義，坦白講是違
憲的，是違憲的，雖然這個部分大法官沒有通過，但是很多人表示非常嚴正的聲明不同意見書
。 |
| transcript.gazette[466].quality |
0.832 |
| transcript.gazette[467].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[467].start |
2025-01-15T15:47:18.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[467].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[467].end |
2025-01-15T15:47:41.826000+08:00 |
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我今天要講的是，國民黨今天實在是有夠丟臉、有夠漏氣，全部講反話，連羅智強也可以弄
一個民主學院，韓院長還在那邊說要幫我辦告別式，我不知道韓院長你作為院長，什麼時候跟
我講說不要生氣，你要幫我辦告別式？ |
| transcript.gazette[467].quality |
0.888 |
| transcript.gazette[468].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[468].start |
2025-01-15T15:47:42.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[468].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[468].end |
2025-01-15T15:47:44.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[468].text |
院長，我們都不要說瘋話，不要說謊話！ |
| transcript.gazette[468].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[469].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[469].start |
2025-01-15T15:47:46.249000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[469].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[469].end |
2025-01-15T15:48:01.184000+08:00 |
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我會幫你辦離
開立法院的告別演講，而且時間很快，你看著，不久以後你就要在立法院作告別演講，立法院
告別演講最有名的一個人是誰？ |
| transcript.gazette[469].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[470].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[470].start |
2025-01-15T15:48:01.184000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[470].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[470].end |
2025-01-15T15:48:05.828000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[470].text |
因為這是立法院的傳統，有立委要離開的時候，一定講什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[470].quality |
0.708 |
| transcript.gazette[471].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[471].start |
2025-01-15T15:48:05.828000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[471].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[471].end |
2025-01-15T15:48:12.715000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[471].text |
一定讓每一個人上臺講話五分鐘、三分鐘，去講他這一屆離開的感言。 |
| transcript.gazette[471].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[472].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[472].start |
2025-01-15T15:48:14.423000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[472].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[472].end |
2025-01-15T15:48:31.024000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[472].text |
第 2 屆和我一起進來當
立法委員的就是前副總統呂秀蓮，他第 3 屆的時候做一半，劉邦友事件的時候他轉做縣長，他
要離開立法院的告別感言怎麼講呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[472].quality |
0.672 |
| transcript.gazette[473].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[473].start |
2025-01-15T15:48:32.064000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[473].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[473].end |
2025-01-15T15:48:37.346000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[473].text |
他說立法院是正義的焚化爐，大家都亂搞；陳文茜講什麼
？ |
| transcript.gazette[473].quality |
0.478 |
| transcript.gazette[474].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[474].start |
2025-01-15T15:48:37.346000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[474].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[474].end |
2025-01-15T15:48:44.049000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[474].text |
他說立法院是個窯子，他來逛窯子，就是在極盡諷刺。 |
| transcript.gazette[474].quality |
0.476 |
| transcript.gazette[475].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[475].start |
2025-01-15T15:48:46.569000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[475].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[475].end |
2025-01-15T15:49:33.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[475].text |
院長，臺灣的民主是一天一天養成的
，30 年來，我在這裡很仔細地觀察每一個人的言行，今天連傅崐萁也講到施明德要朝野和解，
你上臺也是講很表面的話，都講民進黨的話，但是你在做的事完全不一樣，你沒有照民主程序
來，連傅崐萁也說他去參加施明德的紀念會，施明德一生講朝野和解，他是在踐行的，他一生
最大的貢獻是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[475].quality |
0.806 |
| transcript.gazette[476].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[476].start |
2025-01-15T15:49:34.122000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[476].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[476].end |
2025-01-15T15:49:43.713000+08:00 |
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他影響臺灣最大，而且他這種朝野和解不分藍綠，就是大家來和解，和解
也不是口頭講的。 |
| transcript.gazette[476].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[477].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[477].start |
2025-01-15T15:49:49.202000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[477].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[477].end |
2025-01-15T15:49:57.533000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[477].text |
我剛去演講的時候，我是第一個上臺，我相信韓院長也坐在臺下，他安排我
第一個講話，我最後的結語怎麼講？ |
| transcript.gazette[477].quality |
0.841 |
| transcript.gazette[478].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[478].start |
2025-01-15T15:49:57.533000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[478].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[478].end |
2025-01-15T15:50:55.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[478].text |
我的結語是說施明德是在 1月 15號過世，他本來是 1月 13
日就會過世，故意不拔管，讓他硬撐到 1 月 15 號，因為那一天是他的生日，所以施明德說他沒
有忌日，他只有生日，他的生日辦得非常快樂，最後的時候是我和他太太以及兩個女兒在榮總
的普通病房，把他移到普通病房，然後身上放著他最喜歡的花，包括野薑花、百合花、玉蘭花
，都是很香的花，這些花也是我最喜歡的，我特別帶去，後來放在施明德的遺體上面，我和他
太太以及兩個女兒一起唱什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[478].quality |
0.809 |
| transcript.gazette[479].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[479].start |
2025-01-15T15:50:55.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[479].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[479].end |
2025-01-15T15:51:08.342000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[479].text |
唱生日快樂歌，西洋有一首歌最有名叫上帝的恩典（Amazing
Grace），出殯時可以播，結婚時也可以播。 |
| transcript.gazette[479].quality |
0.543 |
| transcript.gazette[480].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[480].start |
2025-01-15T15:51:09.423000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[480].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[480].end |
2025-01-15T15:51:15.367000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[480].text |
所以今天我上臺時說我們今天應該放 Amazing Grace
，不是「安息吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[480].quality |
0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[481].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[481].start |
2025-01-15T15:51:15.547000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[481].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[481].end |
2025-01-15T15:51:18.790000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[481].text |
」那種歌，今天用小喇叭吹「安息吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[481].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[482].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[482].start |
2025-01-15T15:51:18.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[482].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[482].end |
2025-01-15T15:51:20.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[482].text |
」那不對。 |
| transcript.gazette[482].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[483].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[483].start |
2025-01-15T15:51:20.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[483].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[483].end |
2025-01-15T15:51:54.637000+08:00 |
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我要講的就是我們要看清
楚很多事情，我說施明德一生每一個人從每一個角度去讚揚他，包括臺灣曼德拉、絕食等等，
你也上臺講過話，沒有一個人能夠完整的描述施明德一生的偉大以及他的理念，所以我講過一
協 19
句話，因為沒有一個人完整的講，所以要大讚，你要讚美他，大讚無言。 |
| transcript.gazette[483].quality |
0.809 |
| transcript.gazette[484].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[484].start |
2025-01-15T15:51:55.917000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[484].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[484].end |
2025-01-15T15:52:04.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[484].text |
今天是他的生日大喜
，大喜無笑，不要有笑聲，保持笑容就好了。 |
| transcript.gazette[484].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[485].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[485].start |
2025-01-15T15:52:05.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[485].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[485].end |
2025-01-15T15:52:54.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[485].text |
所以今天我要講的最重要的就是 37年前的 1月 13
號，那天 1 月 13 號我開記者會，因為你罵我，所以我 13 號出來，你 12 號罵我說要幫我辦告別
式，我說可能韓院長講錯了，他應該是要幫我辦離開立法院的告別感言，我即將在這一屆做完
絕對離開，我想誰會先離開還不知道，也許我們同時離開，也許你未來志在總統，我不知道，
也許你很快就要告別感言，請你好好聽清楚，這句話會一語成讖的。 |
| transcript.gazette[485].quality |
0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[486].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[486].start |
2025-01-15T15:52:58.380000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[486].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[486].end |
2025-01-15T15:53:11.958000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[486].text |
我最後的結語就是 37 年前的 1 月 13 日是一個很重要的日子，我不知道在座的國民黨黨員知
道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[486].quality |
0.838 |
| transcript.gazette[487].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[487].start |
2025-01-15T15:53:11.958000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[487].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[487].end |
2025-01-15T15:53:56.933000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[487].text |
37 年前的 1 月 13 日是蔣經國逝世紀念日，13 日當天朱立倫還跑去謁陵，他應該在那裡
跪著謝罪才對，蔣家兩個父子雖然他們戒嚴，當然這是歷史上一個非常大的錯誤，但是他們基
本是反共的，結果你們國民黨的這些徒子徒孫現在跟共匪要唱和，蔣介石和蔣經國一定會從墳
墓跳起來把你們痛罵。 |
| transcript.gazette[487].quality |
0.803 |
| transcript.gazette[488].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[488].start |
2025-01-15T15:53:56.933000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[488].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[488].end |
2025-01-15T15:54:32.719000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[488].text |
所以今天我最重要的感言就是，施明德一生反共，他從來不去大陸，他
在美麗島大審的時候就講過，臺灣本來就是一個主權獨立的國家，他沒有罪，後來果然被放出
來了，他一生被判過死刑好幾次，也被關過，但是他的理念是臺灣本來就是一個獨立的國家，
不然我們選什麼總統，為什麼我們有自己的法律、有自己的軍隊，所以到今天為止，國民黨還
是死抱著一國兩制，這個黨一定會完蛋的！ |
| transcript.gazette[488].quality |
0.796 |
| transcript.gazette[489].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[489].start |
2025-01-15T15:54:34.342000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[489].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[489].end |
2025-01-15T15:54:47.079000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[489].text |
所以我今天說蔣經國的遺志、蔣介石的遺志以及施明德的遺志，我會幫他實現，我們
一定要反共，我們要大罷免！ |
| transcript.gazette[489].quality |
0.911 |
| transcript.gazette[490].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[490].start |
2025-01-15T15:54:48.099000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[490].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[490].end |
2025-01-15T15:54:51.801000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[490].text |
大罷免的時代來了，把這些國民黨全部罷掉！ |
| transcript.gazette[490].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[491].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[491].start |
2025-01-15T15:54:52.621000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[491].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[491].end |
2025-01-15T15:54:53.622000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[491].text |
把這些賣國賊全部
罷掉！ |
| transcript.gazette[491].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[492].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[492].start |
2025-01-15T15:54:53.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[492].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[492].end |
2025-01-15T15:54:54.422000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[492].text |
院長，對不起！ |
| transcript.gazette[492].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[493].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[493].start |
2025-01-15T15:54:54.862000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[493].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[493].end |
2025-01-15T15:54:56.683000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[493].text |
請問一下大罷免和預算有什麼關係？ |
| transcript.gazette[493].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[494].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[494].start |
2025-01-15T15:54:56.683000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[494].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[494].end |
2025-01-15T15:54:59.504000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[494].text |
你們已經把大罷免放在預算裡面
，我們知道啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[494].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[495].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[495].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:00.225000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[495].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[495].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:01.945000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[495].text |
你們有很多大罷免都放到預算裡面…… |
| transcript.gazette[495].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[496].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[496].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:02.025000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[496].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[496].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:02.646000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[496].text |
你不要講話…… |
| transcript.gazette[496].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[497].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[497].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:02.646000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[497].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[497].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:02.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[497].text |
我不懂啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[497].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[498].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[498].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:03.606000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[498].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[498].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:03.966000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[498].text |
柯總召，我們現在在談預算…… |
| transcript.gazette[498].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[499].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[499].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:04.366000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[499].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[499].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:04.507000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[499].text |
你不要講話…… |
| transcript.gazette[499].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[500].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[500].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:04.507000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[500].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[500].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:08.369000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[500].text |
你講話的時候，我都沒有插嘴，你插什麼嘴啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[500].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[501].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[501].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:08.529000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[501].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[501].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:09.391000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[501].text |
你插什麼嘴啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[501].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[502].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[502].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:09.391000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[502].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[502].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:10.391000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[502].text |
等我講完你再講…… |
| transcript.gazette[502].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[503].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[503].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:09.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[503].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[503].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:10.353000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[503].text |
你插什麼嘴啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[503].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[504].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[504].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:10.493000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[504].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[504].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:11.154000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[504].text |
你拍什麼桌子啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[504].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[505].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[505].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:11.255000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[505].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[505].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:11.635000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[505].text |
你算什麼老大啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[505].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[506].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[506].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:11.635000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[506].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[506].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:12.635000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[506].text |
我講完你再講…… |
| transcript.gazette[506].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[507].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[507].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:12.635000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[507].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[507].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:13.635000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[507].text |
我們有插你嘴嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[507].quality |
0.143 |
| transcript.gazette[508].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[508].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:13.635000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[508].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[508].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:14.635000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[508].text |
剛才是傅崐萁…… |
| transcript.gazette[508].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[509].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[509].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:12.036000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[509].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[509].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:13.098000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[509].text |
你拍什麼桌子啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[509].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[510].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[510].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:20.157000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[510].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[510].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:22.098000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[510].text |
沒有教養、沒有水準，你拍什麼桌子啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[510].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[511].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[511].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:22.098000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[511].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[511].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:23.098000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[511].text |
傅崐萁剛才在那邊講施明德、講民主…… |
| transcript.gazette[511].quality |
0.067 |
| transcript.gazette[512].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[512].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:22.918000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[512].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[512].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:23.398000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[512].text |
我們在講預算，你講什麼大罷免，我問你嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[512].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[513].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[513].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:23.398000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[513].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[513].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:24.398000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[513].text |
在那邊鬼扯！ |
| transcript.gazette[513].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[514].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[514].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:24.398000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[514].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[514].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:25.398000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[514].text |
賣國賊……
協 20 |
| transcript.gazette[514].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[515].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[515].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:23.558000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[515].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[515].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:25.378000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[515].text |
我問你，你是不是把大罷免的預算編進去了？講啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[515].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[516].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[516].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:25.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[516].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[516].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:27.999000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[516].text |
我們一直容忍你，從剛才到現在
已經都快兩個小時過去了，都沒有談到預算或任何一個具體的事情，全部都是你柯建銘…… |
| transcript.gazette[516].quality |
0.694 |
| transcript.gazette[517].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[517].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:27.999000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[517].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[517].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:28.999000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[517].text |
我現在開始談，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[517].quality |
0.111 |
| transcript.gazette[518].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[518].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:28.559000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[518].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[518].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:29.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[518].text |
請問一下，你是行政院長嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[518].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[519].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[519].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:29.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[519].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[519].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:29.419000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[519].text |
你是總統嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[519].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[520].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[520].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:29.419000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[520].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[520].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:40.136500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[520].text |
我現在開始談，黃國昌……你不要講話了…… |
| transcript.gazette[520].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[521].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[521].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:40.136500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[521].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[521].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:50.854000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[521].text |
我為什麼不要講話？ |
| transcript.gazette[521].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[522].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[522].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:50.854000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[522].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[522].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:51.114000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[522].text |
你講夠了沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[522].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[523].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[523].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:51.114000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[523].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[523].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:52.114000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[523].text |
你講夠了沒有…… |
| transcript.gazette[523].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[524].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[524].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:52.114000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[524].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[524].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:53.114000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[524].text |
院長，我現在要講…… |
| transcript.gazette[524].quality |
0.143 |
| transcript.gazette[525].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[525].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:51.514000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[525].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[525].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:53.035000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[525].text |
我告訴你，我忍耐你是有限度的喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[525].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[526].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[526].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:53.035000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[526].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[526].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:54.035000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[526].text |
針對黃國昌委員…… |
| transcript.gazette[526].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[527].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[527].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:53.075000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[527].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[527].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:53.796000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[527].text |
憑什麼你一直講，你以為你是誰啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[527].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[528].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[528].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:54.516000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[528].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[528].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:54.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[528].text |
你是行政院長嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[528].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[529].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[529].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:54.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[529].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[529].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:55.076000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[529].text |
部長一句話都沒有講…… |
| transcript.gazette[529].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[530].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[530].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:55.076000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[530].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[530].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:56.076000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[530].text |
因為黃國昌委員…… |
| transcript.gazette[530].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[531].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[531].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:55.076000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[531].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[531].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:55.116000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[531].text |
部長有講話嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[531].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[532].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[532].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:55.296000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[532].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[532].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:55.617000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[532].text |
預算是你在用嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[532].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[533].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[533].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:55.757000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[533].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[533].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:56.157000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[533].text |
預算是你在用嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[533].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[534].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[534].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:56.157000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[534].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[534].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:56.597000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[534].text |
為什麼一直在聽你講話？ |
| transcript.gazette[534].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[535].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[535].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:56.597000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[535].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[535].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:56.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[535].text |
你講夠
了沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[535].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[536].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[536].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:56.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[536].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[536].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:57.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[536].text |
你講沒有用啦！我請…… |
| transcript.gazette[536].quality |
0.125 |
| transcript.gazette[537].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[537].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:56.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[537].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[537].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:57.117000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[537].text |
我就是要講啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[537].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[538].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[538].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:57.137000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[538].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[538].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:57.217000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[538].text |
怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[538].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[539].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[539].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:57.237000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[539].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[539].end |
2025-01-15T15:55:57.638000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[539].text |
為什麼要一直聽你講…… |
| transcript.gazette[539].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[540].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[540].start |
2025-01-15T15:55:57.638000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[540].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[540].end |
2025-01-15T15:56:16.670000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[540].text |
針對剛才黃國昌委員的話…… |
| transcript.gazette[540].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[541].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[541].start |
2025-01-15T15:56:16.670000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[541].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[541].end |
2025-01-15T15:56:18.792000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[541].text |
請問一下，你講任何關於預算的事情了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[541].quality |
0.529 |
| transcript.gazette[542].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[542].start |
2025-01-15T15:56:19.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[542].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[542].end |
2025-01-15T15:56:19.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[542].text |
院長，制止一下吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[542].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[543].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[543].start |
2025-01-15T15:56:19.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[543].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[543].end |
2025-01-15T15:56:20.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[543].text |
為什麼要制止？ |
| transcript.gazette[543].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[544].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[544].start |
2025-01-15T15:56:20.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[544].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[544].end |
2025-01-15T15:56:21.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[544].text |
要制止我什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[544].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[545].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[545].start |
2025-01-15T15:56:21.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[545].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[545].end |
2025-01-15T15:56:22.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[545].text |
黃國昌委員剛才講什麼…… |
| transcript.gazette[545].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[546].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[546].start |
2025-01-15T15:56:20.453000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[546].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[546].end |
2025-01-15T15:56:22.194000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[546].text |
院長都在制止你了…… |
| transcript.gazette[546].quality |
0.375 |
| transcript.gazette[547].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[547].start |
2025-01-15T15:56:22.194000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[547].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[547].end |
2025-01-15T15:56:24.915600+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[547].text |
要全刪也可以…… |
| transcript.gazette[547].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[548].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[548].start |
2025-01-15T15:56:24.915600+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[548].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[548].end |
2025-01-15T15:56:27.637200+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[548].text |
黃國昌剛才講要全刪也可以…… |
| transcript.gazette[548].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[549].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[549].start |
2025-01-15T15:56:27.637200+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[549].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[549].end |
2025-01-15T15:56:30.358800+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[549].text |
你糊塗了！ |
| transcript.gazette[549].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[550].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[550].start |
2025-01-15T15:56:30.358800+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[550].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[550].end |
2025-01-15T15:56:33.080400+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[550].text |
你糊塗了！ |
| transcript.gazette[550].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[551].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[551].start |
2025-01-15T15:56:33.080400+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[551].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[551].end |
2025-01-15T15:56:35.802000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[551].text |
我們還要聽一個糊塗的人在講糊塗話！ |
| transcript.gazette[551].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[552].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[552].start |
2025-01-15T15:56:35.802000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[552].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[552].end |
2025-01-15T15:56:36.202000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[552].text |
笑死人了！ |
| transcript.gazette[552].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[553].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[553].start |
2025-01-15T15:56:36.222000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[553].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[553].end |
2025-01-15T15:56:38.023000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[553].text |
現在變成我要全刪…… |
| transcript.gazette[553].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[554].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[554].start |
2025-01-15T15:56:38.023000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[554].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[554].end |
2025-01-15T15:56:40.243333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[554].text |
我們都在制止你了！ |
| transcript.gazette[554].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[555].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[555].start |
2025-01-15T15:56:40.243333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[555].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[555].end |
2025-01-15T15:56:42.463667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[555].text |
柯總召，你這樣子很悲哀，你這樣真的很悲哀！ |
| transcript.gazette[555].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[556].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[556].start |
2025-01-15T15:56:42.463667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[556].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[556].end |
2025-01-15T15:56:44.684000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[556].text |
現在變成是我要求，整天都在講「嘐潲」！ |
| transcript.gazette[556].quality |
0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[557].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[557].start |
2025-01-15T15:56:44.684000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[557].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[557].end |
2025-01-15T15:56:45.644000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[557].text |
你停止，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[557].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[558].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[558].start |
2025-01-15T15:56:45.664000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[558].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[558].end |
2025-01-15T15:56:46.325000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[558].text |
你可以停止了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[558].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[559].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[559].start |
2025-01-15T15:56:46.325000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[559].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[559].end |
2025-01-15T15:56:47.985000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[559].text |
你以為我是白痴啊…… |
| transcript.gazette[559].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[560].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[560].start |
2025-01-15T15:56:49.785000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[560].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[560].end |
2025-01-15T15:56:50.305000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[560].text |
主席要講話。 |
| transcript.gazette[560].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[561].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[561].start |
2025-01-15T15:56:50.425000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[561].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[561].end |
2025-01-15T15:56:51.186000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[561].text |
我要回應黃國昌嘛！消音！消音！ |
| transcript.gazette[561].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[562].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[562].start |
2025-01-15T15:56:51.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[562].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[562].end |
2025-01-15T15:56:51.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[562].text |
主席要講話！ |
| transcript.gazette[562].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[563].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[563].start |
2025-01-15T15:57:03.116000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[563].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[563].end |
2025-01-15T15:57:03.818000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[563].text |
柯總召，不要再講了啦！協 21 |
| transcript.gazette[563].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[564].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[564].start |
2025-01-15T15:57:04.639000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[564].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[564].end |
2025-01-15T15:57:04.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[564].text |
我剛剛也講過…… |
| transcript.gazette[564].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[565].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[565].start |
2025-01-15T15:57:04.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[565].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[565].end |
2025-01-15T15:57:04.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[565].text |
不要再講了…… |
| transcript.gazette[565].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[566].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[566].start |
2025-01-15T15:57:05.080000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[566].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[566].end |
2025-01-15T15:57:12.347000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[566].text |
國防機密預算從來就是排除的，所以有些排除條款…… |
| transcript.gazette[566].quality |
0.381 |
| transcript.gazette[567].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[567].start |
2025-01-15T15:57:12.688000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[567].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[567].end |
2025-01-15T15:57:13.988000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[567].text |
不要再講了啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[567].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[568].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[568].start |
2025-01-15T15:57:14.348000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[568].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[568].end |
2025-01-15T15:57:14.929000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[568].text |
給主席講啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[568].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[569].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[569].start |
2025-01-15T15:57:15.489000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[569].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[569].end |
2025-01-15T15:57:16.289000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[569].text |
你要把國防預算刪除 18億…… |
| transcript.gazette[569].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[570].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[570].start |
2025-01-15T15:57:16.670000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[570].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[570].end |
2025-01-15T15:57:16.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[570].text |
你講了那麼多…… |
| transcript.gazette[570].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[571].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[571].start |
2025-01-15T15:57:20.852000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[571].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[571].end |
2025-01-15T15:57:21.712000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[571].text |
然後徐巧芯這樣講…… |
| transcript.gazette[571].quality |
0.375 |
| transcript.gazette[572].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[572].start |
2025-01-15T15:57:23.173000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[572].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[572].end |
2025-01-15T15:57:24.213000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[572].text |
我們現在有在談預算嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[572].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[573].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[573].start |
2025-01-15T15:57:24.834000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[573].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[573].end |
2025-01-15T15:57:25.274000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[573].text |
2個小時沒有在談預算耶！ |
| transcript.gazette[573].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[574].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[574].start |
2025-01-15T15:57:26.434000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[574].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[574].end |
2025-01-15T15:57:31.617000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[574].text |
是你找國防部長，國防部長不會答應你的，所以你們這些人整天講「嘐潲」……不是…… |
| transcript.gazette[574].quality |
0.806 |
| transcript.gazette[575].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[575].start |
2025-01-15T15:57:34.439000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[575].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[575].end |
2025-01-15T15:57:34.999000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[575].text |
我們是要談預算了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[575].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[576].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[576].start |
2025-01-15T15:57:35.199000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[576].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[576].end |
2025-01-15T15:57:36.079000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[576].text |
我們是要談到預算了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[576].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[577].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[577].start |
2025-01-15T15:57:36.079000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[577].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[577].end |
2025-01-15T15:57:36.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[577].text |
你過得了我這一關嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[577].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[578].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[578].start |
2025-01-15T15:57:36.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[578].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[578].end |
2025-01-15T15:57:37.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[578].text |
這不是凍結，你之前說的是刪除…… |
| transcript.gazette[578].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[579].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[579].start |
2025-01-15T15:57:36.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[579].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[579].end |
2025-01-15T15:57:36.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[579].text |
就是啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[579].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[580].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[580].start |
2025-01-15T15:57:36.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[580].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[580].end |
2025-01-15T15:57:37.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[580].text |
不要再胡說八道！ |
| transcript.gazette[580].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[581].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[581].start |
2025-01-15T15:57:37.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[581].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[581].end |
2025-01-15T15:57:38.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[581].text |
我們有刪嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[581].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[582].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[582].start |
2025-01-15T15:57:38.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[582].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[582].end |
2025-01-15T15:57:39.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[582].text |
我們有刪預算嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[582].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[583].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[583].start |
2025-01-15T15:57:39.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[583].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[583].end |
2025-01-15T15:57:40.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[583].text |
我們有刪潛艦預算嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[583].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[584].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[584].start |
2025-01-15T15:57:40.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[584].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[584].end |
2025-01-15T15:57:41.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[584].text |
你
跟徐巧芯道歉！ |
| transcript.gazette[584].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[585].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[585].start |
2025-01-15T15:57:41.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[585].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[585].end |
2025-01-15T15:57:42.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[585].text |
你們說要刪除 18億、凍結 2億…… |
| transcript.gazette[585].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[586].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[586].start |
2025-01-15T15:57:42.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[586].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[586].end |
2025-01-15T15:57:43.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[586].text |
你說我刪除潛艦預算，你才要跟我道歉！ |
| transcript.gazette[586].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[587].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[587].start |
2025-01-15T15:57:43.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[587].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[587].end |
2025-01-15T15:57:44.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[587].text |
柯建銘還沒有答應你啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[587].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[588].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[588].start |
2025-01-15T15:57:41.403000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[588].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[588].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:01.105000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[588].text |
你們這些小鬼亂纏，你們根本把國民黨都敗壞掉了…… |
| transcript.gazette[588].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[589].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[589].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:01.105000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[589].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[589].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:02.105000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[589].text |
我努力在協調部長，然後也努力在協調這件事情，你要跟我道歉！ |
| transcript.gazette[589].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[590].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[590].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:01.125000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[590].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[590].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:02.006000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[590].text |
國民黨現在只剩你們這些講謊話的人，是白癡嘛！根本…… |
| transcript.gazette[590].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[591].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[591].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:02.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[591].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[591].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:04.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[591].text |
你才是在講謊話，他有刪潛艦預算嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[591].quality |
0.467 |
| transcript.gazette[592].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[592].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:04.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[592].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[592].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:04.788000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[592].text |
我們有刪潛艦預算嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[592].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[593].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[593].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:04.788000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[593].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[593].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:05.569000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[593].text |
沒有在刪，天天在網路
上……對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[593].quality |
0.462 |
| transcript.gazette[594].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[594].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:05.729000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[594].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[594].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:07.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[594].text |
不講道理，不要像小朋友一樣，像小朋友在那邊跟我纏鬥什麼東西啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[594].quality |
0.357 |
| transcript.gazette[595].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[595].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:08.111000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[595].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[595].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:10.613000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[595].text |
你們根本沒有
資格當國會議員，天天在賣國！ |
| transcript.gazette[595].quality |
0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[596].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[596].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:10.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[596].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[596].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:12.054000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[596].text |
謝謝各位黨團，各位黨團幹部，麻煩先把麥克風…… |
| transcript.gazette[596].quality |
0.316 |
| transcript.gazette[597].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[597].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:12.054000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[597].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[597].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:13.054000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[597].text |
我們有刪除嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[597].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[598].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[598].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:13.054000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[598].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[598].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:14.054000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[598].text |
我們黨團都有…… |
| transcript.gazette[598].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[599].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[599].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:12.235000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[599].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[599].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:12.975000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[599].text |
好，我們先讓院長講話。 |
| transcript.gazette[599].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[600].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[600].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:31.574000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[600].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[600].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:31.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[600].text |
刪除在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[600].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[601].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[601].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:31.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[601].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[601].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:32.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[601].text |
刪除在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[601].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[602].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[602].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:32.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[602].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[602].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:33.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[602].text |
刪除在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[602].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[603].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[603].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:33.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[603].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[603].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:34.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[603].text |
刪除 2億，凍結 18億。 |
| transcript.gazette[603].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[604].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[604].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:34.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[604].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[604].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:35.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[604].text |
你講給我看，刪除 1塊寫在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[604].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[605].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[605].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:35.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[605].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[605].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:36.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[605].text |
刪除 2億，凍結 18億不是嗎？剛才…… |
| transcript.gazette[605].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[606].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[606].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:36.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[606].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[606].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:37.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[606].text |
拿給我們看刪除 1塊寫在哪裡嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[606].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[607].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[607].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:37.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[607].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[607].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:38.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[607].text |
你現在翻出來給我看！ |
| transcript.gazette[607].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[608].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[608].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:38.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[608].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[608].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:39.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[608].text |
好，我講，你沒有刪……翻啊！翻啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[608].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[609].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[609].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:39.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[609].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[609].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:40.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[609].text |
刪除 1塊錢，翻給我看啊…… |
| transcript.gazette[609].quality |
0.111 |
| transcript.gazette[610].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[610].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:31.994000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[610].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[610].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:37.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[610].text |
你們現在結論是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[610].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[611].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[611].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:37.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[611].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[611].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:38.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[611].text |
你們現在結論是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[611].quality |
0.111 |
| transcript.gazette[612].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[612].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:38.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[612].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[612].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:39.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[612].text |
你有沒有凍結？ |
| transcript.gazette[612].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[613].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[613].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:39.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[613].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[613].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:40.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[613].text |
後面的主決議……
協 22 |
| transcript.gazette[613].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[614].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[614].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:40.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[614].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[614].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:41.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[614].text |
柯總召、柯總召，看一下我的眼睛好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[614].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[615].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[615].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:38.581000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[615].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[615].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:50.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[615].text |
你用一個主決議把它綁死，國防預算全部不能動…… |
| transcript.gazette[615].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[616].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[616].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:50.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[616].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[616].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:51.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[616].text |
看院長、看院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[616].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[617].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[617].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:51.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[617].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[617].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:52.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[617].text |
等同是刪減 20億嘛。無賴！無賴！ |
| transcript.gazette[617].quality |
0.273 |
| transcript.gazette[618].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[618].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:52.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[618].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[618].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:53.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[618].text |
柯建銘才是無賴，刪除現在說是凍結，無賴…… |
| transcript.gazette[618].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[619].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[619].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:53.094000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[619].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[619].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:55.616000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[619].text |
看院長、看院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[619].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[620].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[620].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:55.616000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[620].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[620].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:56.156000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[620].text |
剛才你們還講過凍結 18億，刪減…… |
| transcript.gazette[620].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[621].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[621].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:56.156000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[621].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[621].end |
2025-01-15T15:58:59.719000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[621].text |
你要不要道歉嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[621].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[622].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[622].start |
2025-01-15T15:58:59.899000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[622].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[622].end |
2025-01-15T15:59:01.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[622].text |
你要不要跟徐巧芯道歉嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[622].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[623].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[623].start |
2025-01-15T15:59:01.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[623].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[623].end |
2025-01-15T15:59:02.320000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[623].text |
我什麼道歉？ |
| transcript.gazette[623].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[624].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[624].start |
2025-01-15T15:59:03.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[624].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[624].end |
2025-01-15T15:59:04.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[624].text |
他應該跟我道歉！ |
| transcript.gazette[624].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[625].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[625].start |
2025-01-15T15:59:04.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[625].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[625].end |
2025-01-15T15:59:05.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[625].text |
前後講的不一樣……對啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[625].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[626].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[626].start |
2025-01-15T15:59:05.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[626].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[626].end |
2025-01-15T15:59:06.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[626].text |
你都亂講話啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[626].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[627].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[627].start |
2025-01-15T15:59:06.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[627].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[627].end |
2025-01-15T15:59:07.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[627].text |
你現在轉到另外一個主決議…… |
| transcript.gazette[627].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[628].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[628].start |
2025-01-15T15:59:05.002000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[628].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[628].end |
2025-01-15T15:59:06.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[628].text |
他沒有刪除，你說她刪除。 |
| transcript.gazette[628].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[629].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[629].start |
2025-01-15T15:59:06.863000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[629].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[629].end |
2025-01-15T15:59:07.524000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[629].text |
他沒刪除，你說刪除喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[629].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[630].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[630].start |
2025-01-15T15:59:07.524000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[630].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[630].end |
2025-01-15T15:59:11.736500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[630].text |
那個主決議就是國防預算完全都不能動，不要老是搞這一套啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[630].quality |
0.231 |
| transcript.gazette[631].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[631].start |
2025-01-15T15:59:11.736500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[631].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[631].end |
2025-01-15T15:59:15.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[631].text |
刪除不要凍誰知道…… |
| transcript.gazette[631].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[632].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[632].start |
2025-01-15T15:59:15.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[632].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[632].end |
2025-01-15T15:59:24.674000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[632].text |
麻煩各位黨團幹部麥克風先……讓我講兩句話，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[632].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[633].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[633].start |
2025-01-15T15:59:24.674000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[633].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[633].end |
2025-01-15T15:59:25.674000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[633].text |
這個層次差太多了…… |
| transcript.gazette[633].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[634].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[634].start |
2025-01-15T15:59:24.854000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[634].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[634].end |
2025-01-15T15:59:27.716000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[634].text |
韓院長，立法院何其可悲，弄這些跳梁小丑來當立委…… |
| transcript.gazette[634].quality |
0.381 |
| transcript.gazette[635].speaker |
徐委員巧芯 |
| transcript.gazette[635].start |
2025-01-15T15:59:27.716000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[635].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[635].end |
2025-01-15T15:59:31.478000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[635].text |
跳梁小丑已經講第二次了，有沒有別句話可以講啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[635].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[636].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[636].start |
2025-01-15T15:59:31.478000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[636].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[636].end |
2025-01-15T15:59:33.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[636].text |
到底你能夠做什麼事情嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[636].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[637].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[637].start |
2025-01-15T15:59:35.420000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[637].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[637].end |
2025-01-15T15:59:38.502000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[637].text |
這個當民意代表都沒有資格了，這種當人都沒有資格了，
還來當立法委員？ |
| transcript.gazette[637].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[638].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[638].start |
2025-01-15T15:59:38.502000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[638].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[638].end |
2025-01-15T15:59:39.143000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[638].text |
國民黨會死得更快！ |
| transcript.gazette[638].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[639].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[639].start |
2025-01-15T15:59:42.779000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[639].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[639].end |
2025-01-15T15:59:49.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[639].text |
黃國昌整天在那邊說謊話，什麼東西是我主張的要直接表決，你
說直接表決也可以、刪除都可以，卻變成是我講的，我一概不認…… |
| transcript.gazette[639].quality |
0.588 |
| transcript.gazette[640].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[640].start |
2025-01-15T15:59:49.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[640].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[640].end |
2025-01-15T15:59:50.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[640].text |
謝謝啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[640].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[641].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[641].start |
2025-01-15T15:59:50.161000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[641].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[641].end |
2025-01-15T15:59:51.862000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[641].text |
各位，我現在做一個宣告，今天協商各黨團都沒有共識，讓我們繼續溝通…… |
| transcript.gazette[641].quality |
0.379 |
| transcript.gazette[642].speaker |
柯委員建銘 |
| transcript.gazette[642].start |
2025-01-15T15:59:51.862000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[642].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[642].end |
2025-01-15T15:59:53.582000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[642].text |
黃國昌，說太多大話，你一天不說大話，像是晚上會睡不著一樣啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[642].quality |
0.269 |
| transcript.gazette[643].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[643].start |
2025-01-15T15:59:53.582000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[643].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[643].end |
2025-01-15T15:59:53.722000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[643].text |
第二點，明天繼續協商，上午 11 點開始協商。 |
| transcript.gazette[643].quality |
0.438 |
| transcript.gazette[644].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[644].start |
2025-01-15T15:59:54.222000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[644].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[644].end |
2025-01-15T15:59:55.803000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[644].text |
今天也非常謝謝各位列席的官員，我們現在
散會。 |
| transcript.gazette[644].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[645].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[645].start |
2025-01-15T15:59:56.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[645].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[645].end |
2025-01-15T15:59:57.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[645].text |
散會（16時） |
| transcript.gazette[645].quality |
0 |