| IVOD_ID |
164723 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164723 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第6次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第6次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-28T10:46:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-28T11:17:16+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/92aebe1c891438fab6fcf56dbb9013d689a1be6dc52a58ecfa70843d993d5f9e0385acd6577be4b35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳雪生 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:46:39 - 11:17:16 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第6次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。二、討論事項：本院交通委員會報告併案審查委員徐巧芯等23人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第七條之一條文修正草案」等案共4案。（施政質詢後接續進行）三、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。四、下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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主席早安 是不是請卓院長麻煩請卓院長再次備詢卓院長好久不見最近就在辛苦了 |
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大家都最近事情多 大家都一樣通力合作 謝謝首先跟您報告學生在從事公職人員連江縣政府待了12年 台北市政府待了13年我的民意代表深海從國大代表 縣長 立法委員一共待了26年了我想對馬祖 |
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基礎建設最了解的我想我是其中之一我不敢講唯一的一個今天跟院長吵架的是偏鄉離島基礎建設工程那基礎建設工程院長你答得出來我們馬祖目前最重要的基礎工程是什麼嗎最重要的 |
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兩項基礎工程 兩項委員會所說的是機場的改建跟改善一個是大橋的問題關係到馬祖未來百年大計我想從政者尤其從事政治尤其是首長對各縣市尤其偏鄉離島應該更加重視不會說只居住在台灣本島 |
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那我首先跟你談一下北竿機場第一期改善工程謝謝中央政府自從馬祖北竿機場出了兩件大事以後有注意到因為這兩座機場是全國都是兩座最危險的機場那麼中央也從善如流投資了第一期工程投資220億 |
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目前的進度大概縣政府的部分即將要啟動了也就是豐山那邊的垃圾場要遷移這個事情由民航局已經委託林鄉縣政府再執行這個我想不是問題第二個是民航局跑道的整建工程這也OK 這沒問題現在是民航局委託 |
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臺灣港澳公司進行微提工程還有開挖造地的工程這個工程時間比較久 經費也比較多我也拜託民航局局長也拜託世襲我們鄭董事長這一項工程要特別注意現在已經發包出去了由世襲顧問建造公司來承包我也拜託他們 為什麼 |
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這個機場對馬祖來而言是非常重要的一環但是北竿的居民卻有聲音有雜音其實我在五月末我也左思右想確實需要建造的時間要八年這八年對當地民眾因為他坐飛機要到南竿去坐要到離島要坐船過去還有通勤人員 |
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還有當地就業的像民航局在那邊有單位還有消防隊等等很多單位那麼這些單位怎麼辦是個問題我講後續的問題很重要這裡面前幾天我跟朋友聊天聊到台中青泉崗屏東的機場他們施工的方式用半半工什麼是半半工呢半半工就是一面施工 |
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一半也可以飛航這個錢可能會比較多一點為什麼因為他的工地他做消波塊跟沉箱工地不在馬祖當地做馬祖當地也缺工台灣都缺工何況離島缺得更嚴重他可以在台北港的腹地或是在高雄港的腹地來做沉箱或是做消波塊然後送到那邊去把它填海 |
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所以用這樣的方式,用半班的工程,可能可以縮短時間,因為他要八年到十年,這個痛苦期太長了。我想院長能不能請您協助,我已經跟他們有溝通過了,那麼世襲曾鈺萌董事長也從善如流,會朝這個方向去走,因為確實痛苦期時間太長了。我也告訴當地的民眾, |
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馬祖機場基礎工程一定要完成這是百年大計我想我們沒有遠見沒有宏觀但是就我目前從政51年的經驗馬祖未來我起碼看得非常清楚我也拜託我們中央的長官不管哪一黨執政能夠重視到馬祖院長請你回答我 |
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謝謝委員對離島馬祖地區長時間的投入關心這個我想馬祖的居民跟全國的國人都清楚那我認為就跟現在的非洲豬瘟一樣國人同胞忍得一時 |
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就能夠爭取一世 忍得一段的時間爭取一個世代的大家的安穩也是一樣 我覺得馬祖的國人也是一樣忍得一段時間的痛苦我們可以爭取一個世代的進步在工程的方面 我當然要相信也要尊重工程專家 設計單位 |
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建造單位施工上的安全跟需求那麼在工程期間如果能夠縮短有新的工法在目前交通部跟這個設計單位來合作如果有新的工法那不影響安全當然我們可以支持那無論是工期多長在工期當中對馬祖居民在交通上所產生的一些負擔交通部也已經預先有所因應有所準備應該在 |
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減輕或是共同負擔的情況底下讓居民能夠在忍耐的過程當中不需要再付出更多的財務代價交通部可以做說明另外後續的一些措施你們還是要因應好不好 |
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報告委員 您所說的這個班班施工也很感謝您啦 特別跟建造單位 設計單位大家一起來討論這個部分我們盡量縮短 我們尊重專業啦像院長所指示的我們尊重專業但是如果可以縮短的部分我們盡量來想辦法 |
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腹地相對於其他的機場來說是比較小所以班班施工的空間會比較少但我們盡量縮短這是確定的目標另外您在指示的就是說我們希望對於後續的因應就是我們那邊的居民要搭船到南竿去搭飛機的時候這個部分我們跟縣政府有在合作您應該也很清楚這個部分我們會繼續來努力因為你起碼每天飛個一班把當地的居民不要 |
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再到旅島去坐飛機嘛飛一班的話他們當地的旅島居民可以出來那觀光客的話沒辦法降落啦觀光客要到南根機場降落以後還要坐船到北竿去我想這個衝擊比較小當然對北竿的生意啊商家啦生意會有影響那麼這個相對的配套我想請交通部要妥為因應好不好第二件要跟您談的是馬祖大橋 |
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最近我看到電視一直跑馬燈在跑交通部陳部長說淡江大橋馬上要合攏了明年五月份要完工我非常高興我祝福全長12公里10點多公里很像金門大橋他在蓋我是馬祖德民意代表跑到金門去幹什麼我去看金門大橋我看他怎麼蓋蓋好了沒有 |
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他大概是7公里還是多少5.41公里馬祖的橋只要3公里最近馬祖民眾對我沒有信心我對自己也沒有什麼信心你看看這個馬祖大橋哪一年核定的107年總統那時候時任行政院院長賴總統他批的我跑到行政院去 |
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我說報告院長這個橋一定要做那時候還有一些人有意見那麼賴院長不管 把他拿來 馬上案子送到我的手上他把他批了 第二天賴院長就卸任了他卸任了 我記得非常的清楚那時間經過了七年你看 經過了七年從一百多億 兩百多億上一次總諮詢的時候院長回答我說要三百多億我說院長你那個是拆的 |
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那國發費提供的資料什麼360億他怎麼來300多億 400多億他也沒有去海底鑽探 任何都沒有他只是聽世西的 是世西告訴他的我前幾天打電話給鄭運鵬董事長為什麼 我之前要交通部你們發個函給世西公司你到底多少錢 你給我精算出來 |
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你們也不關我這個有回覆到您辦公室你問了嗎 也沒問嘛沒問嘛 是不是所以有時候立委在立法院質詢我拜託大家目瞭同仁把它記下來尤其能夠在總諮詢上面提出的問題都是非常重要的不好意思 報告委員這個部分有回覆給您辦公室世西工程有核算出一個經費是360億 |
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有一些東西不要我一直追嘛好 那我講到這個馬祖大橋從賴院長核定可行性評估花了多少錢花了一億五千多萬啦評估的結果在工程施工度沒有問題我們國內有這樣工程的經驗經費也不是問題你從前面的蘇貞昌院長從蔡英文總統到賴總統 |
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經費都不受問題那最近也經過了金門大橋經過了淡江大橋我想國內的施工技術已經成熟了那有些人跟我講說如果這條橋的經費核定了你們不要找大陸去發包啊現在有法令的限制嘛我們怎麼可能找大陸來包這個工程呢大陸做的當然以他們的經驗我們也看得到的 |
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它工鐵大橋什麼好幾個大橋施工路比馬祖還難的都已經完成了我想這是我們國人的驕傲我們目前有這個能力來做在整個排序上 時間已經過了七年了我明年還一年 後年還一年我說我走最後一里路你不能讓我做到99歲吧我想年紀也大了一點 |
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怎麼會是最後一里路呢橋還沒有蓋好怎麼會有最後一里路橋是你的第一里路啊沒關係啊你要給我橋的話我就繼續幹啊你不給我橋的話我幹不下去啦院長所以明年的預算我看不到了齁起碼你明年開始嘛因為他是分十年來編列金門大橋做了十年啊分十年嘛不管是三百億四百億你一年就是投入三十億到四十億嘛這個馬祖啊 |
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你要去看馬祖 你到底要不要馬祖所以前一陣子金門兩棲偵察連調到澎湖去訓練我不曉得他還要不要回去我都覺得是不是台灣不要我們金門馬祖了不會 馬祖金門都是我們重要的離島而且他有戰略地位我最近還想找時間到馬祖去看看你要去看看嗎 要 |
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什麼時候去我陪你去好 你在那邊等我就好了委員在馬祖等我就好了你不要自己一個人跑了那院長我是說排序應該要開始啟動了我這幾年因為國內財政還有政治紛擾我都按捺住你看我在立法院有沒有跟你們發過脾氣從來沒有你看那個 |
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國道6號東延花蓮的特別條例通過了那你們說 行政院講說你幹什麼訂什麼特別條例啊有公務預算來出就好啦我也同意啊 OK啊但是我們是乖乖排啊你看我都沒吵也沒鬧但是你還是不給我啊是不是 你還是不給我啊交通部都有在進行啊 |
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不過你明年要排進去交付都有在進行而且跟設計單位都有在進度上都有在進行但總要克服一些現在我們看到的困難院長我不是說你幫我助選你起碼我任期快到了你明年這個錢排個30億40億幫我預算編進去你能不能承諾我真的民眾對我沒信心我自己對自己都沒信心我進選這件事情信任兩個字 |
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怎麼信任我沒辦法信任啦是不是院長你可以答應我嗎一個七年了一定要做的啦交通部來規劃啦也是要看這個設計的單位他怎麼樣來對現在看到的一些狀況他能夠按部就班有序的來進行世襲告訴我沒有問題有問題的是誰咧有問題的是都是你們大人啦你知道嗎 |
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不是不是 過去委員說金額還沒有算出來 預算沒有算出來就是他不曉得困難度有多大如果他至少現在360億的預算算出來了 工程預算算出來了表示他知道要克服哪些問題 我們就逐步來推動好吧 360億就360億嘛 你一年就編個36億吧 可以不可以 |
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交通部的預算一年七八千億啊我們現在專心的在趕北竿機場就是您剛剛所關心的那未來南竿機場其實也有改善的計畫我們交通部來說的話我們先把機場的部分我們先想辦法趕快把它做好你看桃園的一個高架橋的捷運往地下走幾百億 五百多億啊增加五百多億360億多嗎 也不多啊這是關係到馬祖未來 |
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當然中央這幾年馬祖有長途的進步憑良心講而且我當立法委員都是貴長在執政真的是你們執政馬祖老闆不是瞎了眼不是不了解 都了解你們給的是蠻多的但是這些年齡碎碎的工程小的基礎建設你要大方向去走的話一定馬祖大橋要把它完工院長你知道嗎你如果不去做馬祖大橋 |
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我請問南竿機場你要不要改善南竿機場是非常危險的那等於是在航空母艦上面降落飛機明天是媽祖升天紀我不敢回去空中非常不穩定起飛跟降落坦特不安你知道嗎 坦特不安沒有那麼安全當然我們不怕一萬只怕萬一所以這個一定要改善你如果去改善南竿機場的話 |
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經費非常龐大 1000億跑不掉了你不能出了狀況以後去改善它所以你兩座機場要變成一座機場這個馬祖大橋勢在必行院長你同意不同意我的看法北竿機場的改建南竿機場的存廢以及馬祖大橋如何克服困難這都是三件同時存在的問題 |
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那現在左手是北竿機場的改建這個是已經看到而且勢必在做的而且馬祖大橋會牽動到南竿機場的存廢的問題所以剛才我跟你報告說現在北竿機場的改善工程已經啟動了現在排序排下來我認為 我個人認為我想應該你也認為明年應該要給一點錢吧第一期預算先編上去現場你同意不同意我想你跟賴總統報告 |
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他也會答應的啦我說剛剛請說請交通部能夠跟設計單位來看目前看到的困難已經克服了所以他才會才會算出360億的預算那我們看看這個預算整個的結構看看如果他已經到了一個成熟而且對於北幹機場南幹機場問題地方上的聲音也都相當的一致的那就是到這個順序一步一步的來做下來院長明年你幫我把這個錢排進去 |
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我明天就繼續選如果不排局的話我也無緣對江東復老只好告老還鄉你樂意看到這樣的結果嗎委員的當選是靠地方復老不是我編預算我的當選是靠 |
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靠你們基礎建設我們一起努力把馬祖建設的更好我們一起努力這絕對是我跟委員同樣的心情我對馬祖的相信做事情不是憑口水憑口水沒有用了我想現在大家選民都很聰明嘛是不是店長拜託啦 明年不管如何這個馬祖大橋的事情啊拜託一下我請交通部來詳細的規劃不可能嘛好 另外跟你談一個部長你請回 沒事啦才化法 |
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財化法修正以後我們碰到大問題了全國各縣市全部增加金門110億我們倒扣1000萬預算編不下去現在問題來了所以我跟財政部長討論財政部長說我有修法意圖所以我在上個禮拜已經在議會裡面大概近乎二讀近乎二讀有一個月的協商期 |
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11月7號可能就進入賢章期滿了這一個財化法通過以後也就是保障離島2.5%2.5%的概念是什麼我們只分到22億金門110億澎湖也是7、8、10億我們分22億雖然這個錢很少我也吞了而且我來提案我錢拿最少的來提案 |
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為什麼呢 因為明年預算我們現在已經到了瓶頸了變不下去了現在問題又來了這個法通過以後我相信拜託院長能夠把它付諸那財政部這邊也會從善如流能夠順利的分給我22億分給我22億原來是7.23億 |
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後來你們給我7點 財務法修正以後給我7.13億少了1000萬財政部把它補起來了他說我補給你嘛 7.23億那補平了以後呢多了多少億 多了十幾億現在一般補助款跟計畫型補助款你不給我了這第一點喔第二點 我們本來配合款部分只要10%現在行政院說我們要40% |
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你知道我適時去哪裡拿所以你給我的一般補助款你給我的計畫分配我沒有配合款也就是不做了等於就是形同巨文 我做不下去了所以請財政部還有行政院主席處你要注意到離島偏鄉的問題這公平性的問題所以請你要注意 |
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你現在要給我們40%我們哪裡拿得出來40%的錢啊拿不出來那麼舊的就是連續性計畫的繼續性計畫的工程我們也要停擺因為你以前給我比如說3億我做了一半啦那現在還有2億你現在我自己出我現在我去哪裡拿這個2億啊我拿不出來拿不出來這個房子變成爛尾樓就擺在那個地方這個是個問題 |
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所以院長請您注意到麻煩的問題好不好財化法的部分 我想我跟委員共同兩個遺憾第一個遺憾就是現在現行財化法水平分配不公平才造成你剛剛說的 即使三個離島都不公平離島跟台灣本島之間是絕對的不公平 |
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以後有機會我們要改進這一點那第二個遺憾是當初我們在復一的時候也跟你講了計算公式有錯如果當時您支持一下復一就改過來了好那現在我們亡羊補牢委員有提出一個案子我們知道那這個案子修正案它的效率到底如何 |
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修正過如何馬上可用 或者是他有時間上的落差第二個是朝野各黨團內部現在的意見有沒有趨於一致還是有其他的意見就這個分配不出去的345億如何使用我們還要討論重認這個稍微緩和一點現在潮潮也大嘛 對不對就緩和一點 你不要積累去對抗嘛 |
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很緩和 我們緩和到拿出4165億了不要去硬撞 火車對撞撞的結果你看看像那個凍結預算我們沒有對撞 被撞而已然後對撞我們哪裡凍結預算 凍結預算有什麼了你起碼讓這一些單位 行政部門去解釋嘛你解釋都還沒解釋 兩個總裁都在那邊吵架當時也跟你講委員當時應該有跟你說計算公式錯誤啊在復議的時候啊 |
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都沒有被真正的把它當重視那個院長還有一個就是我一直我的想法我當縣長的時候就想做一個海洋牧場你沒有機會去大陸參觀我們彼岸的連江線全世界兩個連江線大陸一個連江線 馬祖一個連江線他們連江線的海域啊一望無際 全部都是海帶 |
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海帶鮑魚養殖黃魚養了一大堆那我覺得我們馬祖的海域我們的有氧度是8到9喔他們有氧度因為種植的面積太大了他們有氧度只有2到3所以我們的水質是非常好的你看我們養的淡菜我們有淡菜好吃的太多了淡菜院長有沒有吃過 |
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有我到馬祖之前去淡賽讓我回味無窮我沒有機會啊這個院長我如果送你一盒你可以收嗎沒有超過違反法令的規定我直接到馬祖去我們在當地比較新鮮你去吃的時候已經沒有了因為季節已經過了這個我想我送一些給院長品他看看真的我不是要你吃啊我是說你吃了以後覺得 |
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我們馬祖生產的東西我們八到九的有氧度的東西是好的農業部一直講說要去幫我們的忙到現在我也沒看到去幫我們忙你幫他輔導你幫他導入正軌讓他企劃的經營讓觀光客到馬祖去有的吃有的住有的玩他起碼吃很重要讓吃的食物能夠豐富台灣沒有吃有馬祖有 |
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這個是很重要的 是不是你督促農業部在這一方面再加強一下好不好好的 你看我們的造林金門是一排 兩排 三排的造林我們連一排都不可得啊是不是 所以這個落差非常的大你看觀光人數 金門突破了一百萬人了耶已經小山東突破一百萬人了包括淡菜 牡蠣 還有我們還是抓這個小捲還中捲是不是 應該都是有那個你要找楊耀偉去澎湖吃 |
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那邊有小檢、大檢、中檢都有啊馬祖雲、連綿江也有啊漁船我看大家都在那邊那個燈光就在那邊對 用燈光去補對面好多喔 你到晚上很漂亮很多 看到海上很多整排都是大陸的船所以這個海洋牧場的構想我拜託院長我們一定會善加珍惜 善用我們的海洋資源虧一些經費嘛 |
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這個臨江跟金門都是我們戰略的地區但是發展當地的觀光或是跟一些過去歷史遺留下來的這個軌跡的觀光我覺得是一個特色再加上海鮮 再加上當地的人文認為都是一個非常獨特的一個地區院長 多重視一下不管如何金門馬祖以前是個打仗的地方我希望不要打仗我一直跟對面講不要打仗不要打仗我一直跟他講不要打仗 |
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他們要來打啦 我們不會跟他打仗當選主席 你們又在擔心我覺得他能夠跟習大大見面 讓他去見面嘛見面以後也很好啊你總比現在兩邊 你看看我們反中抗中 兩邊不講話文統沒辦法文統的話就是武統了 下來就武力 |
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我們堅決反對武統你把飛機把船艦撤回去嘛不是馬祖相信 台灣相信不喜歡看到這些這是一個好的建議 好的開始所以他說我們是跟美中在對抗啊又不是針對台灣那我說你一直環繞著台灣海峽這也是個問題啊我常常吧 你問那個邱主委 |
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我常常都在幫台灣發聲我們請農業部真的把這些海洋資源善用更多的國際觀光客我想對地方的安全也是有幫助的剩下一點時間我要跟你講土地的正義軍人跟國產署佔了馬祖土地我上次講過了佔領了多少百分之七十五我們先平到馬祖來都是領海為居嘛都在海邊啊一個沃口一個沃口一個沃口 |
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山上的土地都被他們弄光了所以部長你正好在這裡院長你能不能去找個單位去研究一下是法治老百姓募不釋定以前你公告我公告一個月沒來的話這個地址是公家的 政府的都沒去登記你貼在我家門口我也不會去看所以現在又變成國有財政局的 文財署的到現在為止還吵鬧不休 |
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我從現場開始我跟你講 雞犬不寧每天都是老百姓來要地現在當了立委還跑到立法院來找我也是要地土地的問題是法律的問題是不是你們國產署長我跟他吵國產署我跟他吵了多少次目前部長能夠說明 部長清楚你等一下說明 院長我給你一個概念 |
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軍方跟國產署佔了我們75個土地我上次講過了您如果是縣長的話你對這個縣你怎麼治理你能夠發展嗎你發展不出去嘛沒有你發展的空間嘛他也不能蓋旅社啊是不是 他不能蓋旅社喔有規定的喔 土地問題有規定的喔他不能蓋旅館啊他沒有發展的空間馬祖部隊多少人 |
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兩千多人 他要那麼大的土地幹什麼我們居民一萬多人 佔比只有25%你看看國產署佔的多少 75%部長 能不能研究一下 |
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什麼處理嘛對已經登記為國有的但是民眾要申請返還的其實我們都是從寬再處理除非我們政府機關不是 你設個小組研究一下好不好你研究一下這個問題好不好你在那邊講你講我講 下次我再來總之又沒用了我們會再主案再來去了解每一個案子的情況我想希望院長拜託一下 |
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你成立一個專案小組你要我弄個修法提案嗎 不用吧我請部長提個建議上來我們來看部裡面的看法配合國防部或是內政部也要一起來討論這個相關部我們來討論看看一個建議上拜託你 也希望你 鄉人為國 好不好好的好 謝謝陳學生委員質詢謝謝卓院長 |