| IVOD_ID |
16471 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16471 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-23-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-15T08:30:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-15T11:15:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:44:46 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302dd86ebbf7d18770eaf8bd03a951da4504b18d20170ff19eea6aabb75ea12dc8bb65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查委員洪孟楷等24人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條條文修正草案」案。
二、繼續審查委員黃健豪等17人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條條文修正草案」案。
三、繼續審查委員林俊憲等17人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條條文修正草案」案。
四、繼續審查委員王鴻薇等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條條文修正草案」案。
五、繼續審查委員鍾佳濱等19人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條及第十二條之一條文修正草案」案。
六、繼續審查委員許宇甄等17人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條及第十二條之一條文修正草案」案。
七、繼續審查委員陳素月等20人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條及第十二條之一條文修正草案」案。
八、繼續審查委員林德福等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條及第十三條條文修正草案」案。
九、繼續審查委員徐富癸等19人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條及第十五條條文修正草案」案。
十、審查委員魯明哲等21人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條條文修正草案」案。
十一、審查委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條條文修正草案」案。
十二、審查委員何欣純等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條條文修正草案」案。
十三、審查委員林思銘等17人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條條文修正草案」案。
十四、審查委員徐巧芯等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條條文修正草案」案。
十五、審查委員羅明才等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條條文修正草案」案。
十六、審查委員顏寬恒等25人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條條文修正草案」案。
十七、審查委員楊瓊瓔等29人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條條文修正草案」案。
十八、審查委員林月琴等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條及第十二條之一條文修正草案」案。
十九、審查委員張宏陸等19人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條及第十二條之一條文修正草案」案。
二十、審查委員蔡其昌等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條及第八十五條之三條文修正草案」案。
(進行逐條審查）【第十九案如經院會復議，則不予審查】【1月15日及16日二天一次會】） |
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好 初期委員與主法定人數先來開會請議事人員宣讀上次會議一書 |
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1941.147 |
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立法院第十一屆第二會期交通委員會第十九次全體委員會議議事錄時間一百一四年一月八日星期三上午九十至下午一時三十二分地點本院紅樓二零一會議室出席委員林佩祥等十五人列席委員王逸川等十四人立席官員交通部政務次長陳彥博等主席陳昭吉委員數月報告四項宣讀上次會議議事錄決定議事錄確定邀請交通部進行專題報告並備質詢本日會議由交通部政務次長陳彥博等 |
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1970.3 |
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報告後藉由委員林沛翔等21人提出質詢軍經交通部政務次長陳彥博及相關人員分別予以答覆決定一報告及詢問完畢二為張家俊的二人所提書面質詢均列入紀錄並刊登公報三委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分請相關機關建樹以書面答覆散會宣讀完畢 |
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1996.718 |
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好 請問在場各位委員對議事錄有沒有意見好 沒有意見 我們議事錄確定那我們現在介紹在場的委員黃建豪委員邱若驊委員李昆哲委員以及陳書業召委 |
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2023.274 |
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好 接下來介紹列席人員今天是我們交通部陳彥博政務次長陳次長以及公共藝術系監理師林福山司長法制處許鴻達處長以及陸政級道安司蔡蘇冰副次長公務局陳文瑞局長高速公務局趙新華局長 |
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2053.492 |
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運輸研究所林濟國所長內政部警政署交通組陳明志組長法務部廖江縣參事司法院行政訴訟及懲戒廳陳彥霖法官 |
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好 本次會議審查道路交通管理處罰條例我們進行逐條的討論現在有沒有委員要針對相關的提案 提案的委員來進行說明好那我們請交通部陳彥博次長報告 |
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2109.636 |
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你們這邊寫時間七到八分鐘嘛你們看來說明 |
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2134.589 |
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主席 各位委員大家早今天應邀聯席委員會就未遭變遭車牌及其隱匿車牌方式的查緝以防制及如何有效杜絕無照駕駛 |
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倉管的亂象進行專案的一個報告並就這個洪委員等應該是等委員所提出來的大概總共有20條的修正草案本部警就來提供下面的一個處理的意見 |
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那在這20案裡面呢,大概洪委員孟凱,黃建豪委員,林俊憲委員,王洪瑋委員,鍾嘉斌委員,徐宇貞委員,陳樹業委員,海靈德福委員,還有徐富奎委員等這個9案呢,大概在前一次的這個,應該是113年11月18日的第11屆的第二會期的第14會議裡頭,大概有報告,而且也有所詢問,那決議呢是擇期處理。 |
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那本次大概新增有關魯明哲委員、羅廷瑋委員、何欣淳委員、林思敏委員、徐巧欣委員、羅明財委員、顏寬恆委員、楊瓊英委員、林月琴委員還有張宏祿及蔡奇昌等11案有關處罰條例第12條、第12條之一跟第85條之三的提案來加重對於偽造號牌 |
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的一個相關的一個修正那本部競表這個改配那有關處罰條例未照變財未照號牌的防治的作為的修正草案其實本部也極為重視那也有相關的一個版本在行政院正在處理我給跟大家稍微說明一下我們目前處理的情形跟我們你打算修正的一個方向首先就是這個 |
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行政院本部大概在去年11月19號已經函報行政院那經過行政院的一個審查以後大概12月19號的審查以後認為說有關末路的部分是不是有相關的一個處理的方式跟這個比例的原則是不是應該再加以考量所以就這一部分本部大概在去年的年底最後一天 |
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2272.442 |
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大概邀集了跨部會 這裡其中包含了內政部 法務部各直轄市政府單位 大家共同研商所以對於相關委員也是今天大家很關切的一個末路的部分做了一些處理這處理包含了針對這個偽造他人的號牌 特別強調 |
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他偽造的是別人的號牌不是自己原來那一部車的偽造他人的號牌或者是肇事致人受傷的這種情形或10年內累犯就是在10年內再有偽造號牌的這種情形來置身他人公益的公共利益交通違規等有危害這個道路交通安全之餘我們把他處於末路車輛 |
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2341.623 |
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這樣的一個條文的修正在等一下如果討論的時候我們也並案提出也就是所謂大家可以來參照本部所提出來的這樣的一個修正因為這個修正也是行政機關跨機關的一個討論的結果那這樣的一個結果我們在今年的這個1月13日已經送到行政院來續審 |
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那有關這個委員提到的加重未照號牌的處罰所擬具的相關的這個道路處罰條例的修正草案我們還是建議也就是說本部所提出來的跟行政機關大家共同討論的這個條文能夠有機會併案跟各委員提出來的版本共同審查 |
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2365.481 |
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2390.98 |
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但是最後呢 我們還是尊重委員會的一個審查的一個結果我想我就這部分 就今天處罰條例的部分提出本部的一個看法 以上 謝謝好 那接下來法務部要不要 廖參事要補充說明還是大概補充說明在協調的時候在座位上講就可以了 |
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那我們提案委員這個有補充說明的要職說明羅廷維委員請說明時間兩分鐘 |
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好 非常感謝今天召委排審我覺得這個非常接地氣感謝盧明哲委員我想近年來大家都知道這個日益猖獗這個假車牌事件已經造成了社會危害治安的一個重要的缺失尤其可以看到這個假車牌被網路上說是藝術品 |
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當然今天我們要探討的是所謂的道家條例的一個修改當然我們也希望未來不管是在源頭的管制因為境外輸入這個關卡我們一定要在海關的部分加強檢驗但是今天所提到的修法的部分我們希望針對駕駛人懸掛偽造車牌的一個行為將罰還由現行的新台幣3600元以上 |
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10800元以下調整為新台幣15000元以上5萬元以下以提升違規的一個成本達到更強的嚇阻效果當然我們希望能夠更加的提升有的人說要10萬以上那我們也希望今天透過探討大家來了解到底怎麼樣的一個方式可以更加的嚇阻這樣的行為 |
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另外針對違反第一項第三款的行為新增規定處以新台幣10萬元罰款並沒入違規車輛藉此彰顯法規的威嚴杜絕惡意的違法我想修法都是透過加重處罰以及嚴格執行希望能夠提升整體的一個效力讓法律能夠來真正執行到正義 |
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減少偽造車牌的行為帶來治安跟交通的隱憂同時藉由規範的強化保障我們民眾的行車安全維護公共利益我們希望能夠更快加速的進行透過修法來建構更完善的車輛管理以及執法制度打造更好的一個環境我們也再一次感謝昭緯以及我們所有朝野的立委大家一起來努力也希望交通部能夠更加積極 |
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好 謝謝羅委員 那麼天安委員 黃建豪委員因為待會協調的時候 我們要進行協調 好 來 |
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好謝謝召委排審這個道交條例第12條關於偽變造車牌的問題那本來的這個提案的意旨第一個部分當然是罰則的部分因為原始的條文是罰3600到10800那我們之前在這個詢答這裡提過這個3600到10800基本上 |
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跟這偽造車牌的價格相比起來沒有什麼嚇阻能力既然都能夠去做偽造車牌了所以罰這個3600到10800沒有什麼太大意義所以把它提升到6000到3600以下這個是一個罰則的部分但另外一個層次是指說除了錢之外我想最最最大的資產應該是那一輛車所以原始的條文是從2或9 |
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第一項第二款及第九款的車輛沒入但是我們的想法是說應該從第一項第二款至第九款全部都應該把車輛沒入我想車輛沒入對於使用變造、偽造車法以及借以他人使用等等的這些行為才有實際上的嚇阻能力所以這部分我們希望待會在協調的時候大家還是要了解說我們當初為什麼第二至九款都應該沒入它的原因就是期待說透過沒入車輛這樣子處罰行為 |
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那大家在出借或者是在製造變賣相關車牌或者是車輛的時候車輛的持有人他自己也能夠去了解到這個法律的效果不要說好像這個如果只有本來只有二級酒款或是只有一支車輛的保管等等的話其實對於他的財產本身並沒有造成任何事實上的影響那如果能夠對他的財產造成事實影響的話我想對於這個出借車輛或是變造車牌等等的行為才有實際上的嚇阻效果以上說明 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝黃委員那我們現在就進行道路交通管理處罰條例的協商以各提案還有要補充說明嗎 |
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以各提案條次順序進行討論並同時請議事人員宣讀條文如有相關修正動議附帶決議一併宣讀交通部有提供建議修正條文彙整表待會請各位參與就此進行協商好我們休息三分鐘 |
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蕃茄 |
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好 我們繼續開會現在就開始進行協商相關的修正條文首先第12條條文各位委員 李昆哲委員 |
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好謝謝召委今天道教的修正案主要是處理假車牌的問題那大家主要的提案就是提高大家的提案主要都是要提高罰則我們都希望透過提高罰則來遏止假車牌犯案的問題那提高罰則希望也要加強宣導那 |
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多次跟交通部討論假車牌的問題除了提高罰則加強宣導之外其實有三個方向也必須要請交通部去注意跟推動第一是源頭的阻斷第二是要加強查緝第三是針對偽造車牌的受害者我們必須要損害減免 |
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那第一個從源頭阻斷我們希望交通部要強化車牌的防衛功能防衛功能要建立短中長期的防衛機制強化的這個策略我們希望交通部跟數位部還有財政部來合作請數位部協助 |
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下架這些網路購買的資訊要請財政部關務署從曝光開始就要阻斷偽造車牌從國外流入而且要強化車牌的防衛功能 |
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另外也要阻絕境外的這種邊境的管制增列這些專屬進口貨品的分類號列加強進口貨品查驗及通報機制來溯源查緝那很重要就是要阻斷網路的資訊那就是定期巡查網路的銷售資訊下架偽造車牌的產品包括這些網購的平台社群的平台 |
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那加強查緝的部分就是利用這種車牌偽造的難度要增加就是提高防衛設計的辨識度來加強查緝的速度跟進度那要跟警政署來建立聯訪的這個機制來提供建立聯訪機制利用e-tag這種使用異常的情況 |
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來建立這種偽造車牌的資料庫提供給警政署來加強查緝那另外這些有關於對於損害的解免就是針對偽造車牌的受害者免除更換車牌的製作費跟行政費來針對 |
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遭錯誤舉發的受害者進行重新的規則並對偽造車牌犯罪人進行追責這就是要避免錯誤的舉發來保護受害者我們這個道交處理的部分是希望使用假車牌的罰則透過罰則來 |
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警醒大家這是一個重要的方案那當然也要配合加強查緝還有阻斷源頭請交通部跟相關部會來協力合作落實處理假車牌的議題等一下也請你們簡單說明一下目前推動的狀況是如何以上好 接下來羅庭惟委員 |
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好 剛剛有委員所提到其實跟我們提案說明不謀而合大家都有這樣子的一個概念希望交通部能夠加強包括速發部以及還有所謂的關口的部分要如何加強管理那我想今天就12條來說我想先請問一下交通部我們更關心的不管是增加罰款的這個提高其實剛剛黃建豪委員提到一點我覺得我非常的認同就是汽車到底可不可以沒路 |
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如果汽車可以沒路我想罰款金額我們都還可以再探討但是如果汽車不能沒路 |
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還可以再給這一個當事者繼續去駕駛這一個車輛那我想提高罰款再多也沒有用因為沒入這個車輛才是最重要的一個重點所以違照車牌到底能不能沒收這個車輛交通部有沒有自愛難行的地方我希望講清楚說明白然後以利我們在12條的時候再訂定更嚴格的法案 |
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好那這邊稍微等一下現在發言順序這個黃建豪林俊憲委員以及蔡英章委員那也拜託各位委員那這個條文三大重點第一個大家覺得罰款提高到什麼樣程度也最後結論的時候幫忙建議一下第二個目錄車輛 |
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有些委員提的是有條件有期間的有些是直接沒錄那這個的部分也希望在各位發言的時候能夠給一些相關的建議來黃天豪委員好 謝謝張委那針對這本條文分析是覺得說第一個價錢的部分本來是3600到10800那既然大家都把提案提高所以基本上我覺得法案法案有提高這件事情大家就有共識那多少錢我們有兼職一定要多少錢那看大家覺得比較合理價錢多少這個是可以討論的 |
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但是針對沒入車輛因為這個交通部的建議修正條文是說當場一致保管該車輛那我們就要問就是說因為這個條文裡面並沒有寫說當場一致保管該車輛的狀況是說一致保管多久還是說他當天就可以繳個罰單所以他就領回了還是說要一致保管一段期間還是怎麼樣因為就我原始的提案的精神希望就是我提案還是要沒入啦 |
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當中的原因就是說有兩個因為其實假車牌有很多的情況一種當然就是他可能因為超速或因為其他原因他的這個牌照被扣角所以他必須使用偽造車牌這種可能相對是比較沒有這麼沒有這麼惡意的這是一種 |
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另外一種就是髒車嘛要犯罪用的那種是重大行駕會發生的事情那這種東西如果他能夠輕易的把車輛領回的話他繼續去犯罪所以我覺得針對沒入車廂這件事情還是要去做明確的規範跟討論那再來就是一致保管因為這個條文裡面沒有寫一致保管多久所以我還是覺得說如果要一致保管 |
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某種應該一致保管也可以我們可以討論一下這要多久呢這是當天就領回呢還是你要一直保管半年一年等等的讓他增加他使用偽變造車牌的成本應該這樣講我們提到所謂車輛問題應該這樣因為今天前面前面講價錢的價金發放發放多少 |
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大家可以討論那一旦一致公司覺得說你不能說罰款比去買車牌還便宜啦那就沒有意義嘛所以第一個當然是罰款至少提到高跟違變到車牌一樣的價錢以上那再來就是車輛的使用的便利性如果今天我當天我就有錢啦我就犯罪啊他就犯罪不管他是這個詐騙集團也好還是博弈集團也好還是他說重大刑事犯罪也好搶劫等等的那他既然要去做這個事情了這個車輛或罰金對他來說不是一件很麻煩的事情 |
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如果今天我們在道路上有抓到這樣的車子那只是一致保管然後我繳完罰單我就會把車領回那其實對於我們這個條文原始的立法精神我想是不符合的所以這部分的話我覺得待會交通朋友要說明一下到底你們覺得一致保管車輛有沒有期限的問題還是有沒有等級的問題那再來如果真的是末路車輛會有什麼問題會有什麼會欺害到任何的權益嗎還是怎麼樣這部分可能大家請你們說明一下以上 謝謝 |
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林俊憲委員好謝謝主席我們各位同仁我們大家今天來關心這個主要都是腳車牌的問題我就覺得我有稍微比較一下我們各位同仁的版本大家比較有共識都是提高花款 |
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那提高8萬有兩種一種是下限要不要提高那上限看起來有共識都是3萬6就是比照嚴重超出3萬6那下限因為你把下限提高的話會牽動到很多其他不同的違規狀態 |
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所以我是覺得我們下線不要動但是我們可以定你只要是用偽造車牌一律罰最高法就是三萬六這樣下線就沒有影響了你偽造車牌我就給你罰三萬六那你下線不要動因為下線他有其他違規樣態變得他再逐一來討論要不要提高下線所以 |
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本席的提案是三萬六三千六到三萬六那我們可以比如說家定你只要用偽造車牌我就沒有Range的問題我就直接給你划最高法第二個就是你要不要把它車輛沒入交通部我覺得我們目前道安條例車輛沒入它其實只有幾種樣態我是建議大家考慮一下比例原則如果你是酒駕 |
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或者是獨駕 你吸毒駕駛 或者是你酒駕那你被抓到 你的車輛有沒有沒路沒有啦 我們獨駕跟酒駕都沒有沒收車輛他有附帶就是說 你要肇事 致人重傷或死亡 那車輛才沒路或者是說 你的車輛是沒有牌照 照理講你不能上路 |
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結果呢你是沒有車牌的車子你還上路那你還造成危險駕駛那車輛才沒路另外就是你個人沒有駕照那麼你開車或者騎機車你肇事互代條件就致人於重傷或死亡這樣車輛才沒路也就是說我們的目前沒路車輛沒路的樣態就是這幾種這交通部待會要說明清楚 |
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那如果我們直接就要把用假車牌訂到時那大家可以考量一下是不是比例元首的問題如果他這個車輛是租來的我給他租台車然後把他用一個假車牌那這樣車輛沒有任務那你出租車場或者是車輛是借來的 |
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我給盧明澤招惹借貸的時候我給你用個假車牌你這樣車子也被國家沒收這樣是不是有錯殺無辜的可能還有我不知道各位同仁有沒有注意到一個關聯性就是使用假車牌大增的時間點跟我們修法把那個嚴重超速由超速60 |
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改為超速40就算嚴重超速同一時間那其實相對的啦你政府不管中央或地方政府你對於速限合不合理我們在交會會討論很多次你有些地方的速限實在是不合理 |
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樹線四十五十你是要多少人去這裡或者是兩線道忽然間開過回四線道你樹線一樣五十一樣會造成很多民眾不小心就超速那麼如果他因為嚴重超速車牌被拿走如果這輛車是他每天上班必用的或者是他做生意做個小生意必用的 |
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是要載小孩啦或者載老人要用的所以很多人就去買腳車牌我們的重點是要嚇阻腳車牌啦所以我是覺得提高緩緩啦這個大家有共識沒問題那至於你要不要沒路我請大家考量到會不會有一些 |
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除外狀況啦或是有一些值得值得值得稍微有一點空間的那個狀況然後再來比較就是說你車子租來或借來或者說你再去比較其他沒路車輛的那種狀況大家也要考量一下比例原則啦所以我是覺得我們是不是也跟其他目前道交條例裡面沒路車輛 |
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對於腳車牌要沒入車輛是不是也應該有附帶一個狀況例如你因為肇事或者是致人於重傷或死亡再把車輛判死刑車輛不會自己裝腳車牌啦裝腳車牌的是人你可以罰人嘛你甚至可以把他的駕照吊銷嘛但你把他的車輛給沒入那這一點我希望是不是大家我們待會討論一下 請交通部再跟各位委員說明一下相比於其他的 |
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沒收車輛的樣態那這樣有沒有比例原則的一個問題好 以上 謝謝好 接下來發言順序 蔡奇章委員許智傑委員林國琛委員 陳樹葉召委陳樹葉召委發言完畢之後請相關單位先回應一波後面再來討論好 蔡奇章委員 |
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謝謝趙偉大家找今天我想剛剛已經有很多委員發言我想針對這一次的修法 |
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特別是在這個偽造車牌的部分我想大家剛剛都論述的很清楚本席就不再多所琢磨但它的重點立法重點所有朝野立委的版本其實都指向一個東西就是面對偽造車牌的日益猖獗大家對治安充滿著擔憂所以才會有今天修法的這個意旨 |
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那剛剛俊炫也提到啦我想加嚴這個是一個大家在立法者面對社會國人大家所關心的問題一個最基本的方向跟動作我想這個都很合理但是同樣的我們要達成目標立法法跟目標之間的正相關 |
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一定要非常的緊密的結合同時對於那個比例原則的考慮我想這個也是待會交通部或者接下來在這個立法上面可能要去考量的 |
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所以如果修了一個法大家都希望延大家希望治安變好大家都希望違照車牌要取締但是如果最後出來過去我們已經發生過在交通部的相關修法裡面都出現過相關這些問題所以在比例的原則上面請注意拿捏但是目標很清楚第二個這個圖法不足以自省修了法律再嚴格修了法律再精彩 |
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最後的相關警政司法單位不進行相關的處理這個法律放在這裡他不會自然去抓那個假車牌啦所以修法只是給執法者有一個工具可以在未來的 |
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符合國人的期待的這個執法當中讓你們有工具去做這些事情所以我也特別要提醒我知道這個應該通過了這個大家應該草原沒什麼特別的意見應該最後會有很清楚的這個共識但還是要提醒修了法要怎麼去執行你們有沒有認真去執行我認為這個才是修法完之後國人會感受到立法者的用心 |
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最關鍵的因素在這裡謝謝大家好 謝謝許智傑委員謝謝主席剛均憲委員跟齊昌委員提到的其實這個變造車牌一來是有可能是車手會去變造車牌這個當然是我們非常不能忍受 |
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那另外一個變造車牌,現在有一個新興行業就是專門,就是你已經超過40以上車子被吊扣那車子被吊了以後呢,他就換車牌現在這新興行業好像不止這麼多人在做 |
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所以這個都是上有對策下有政策嘛這個都是很多上有政策下有對策所以都有一些消小份子真的是會專法律漏洞 |
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那所以剛剛其實也提到這個我們當然大家的本意都是要杜絕那另外一個就是剛剛金縣委員提到的這個車數其實真的是該研究一下啦那40以上被調扣然後呢40以上因為太很多 現在已經很多我身旁很多人都會問說超過40被調扣 你怎麼處理 |
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我們就跟他說 我自己的車也可能掉一百所以表示我們自己不可能處理也不可能處理這種違法調控的問題不過就是目前真的是數量相當多所以我們是不是要檢討一下就是說整體的那包括那個超過40的還有那個就是那個喝酒請代價的那喝酒請代價 啊代價超過40 |
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結果我的車也要被吊扣半年這些都是相關的問題所以就是說一來我們大家目標是一致的就是要去防止這個問題那第二就是交通部是不是研究一下包括車速包括吊扣包括變噪包括增加乏者這個都沒問題但是比例原則要設定到什麼程度 |
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也希望交通部做一個比較統一的考量我覺得相關的問題還在環環相扣啦所以請交通部做一個研究等一下跟大家報告一下 謝謝好 林國成委員 |
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謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早我想今天有這麼多的我們本院的同仁提出這個12條基本上這個是迫切需要那我個人的看法 |
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提高華澤是每一個委員所提案的等等這所有提案這麼多案的加起來是絕對超過半數所以就代表提高華澤大家有共識但是我質疑的是否請交通部或者警政單位把偽造車牌的數量要提供一下要提供一下那嚴重到什麼程度因為我擔心的是沒入的問題 |
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除了是政策像酒駕啦等等這些非常嚴重的這些事故那你現在把車子把它摸入了以後有沒有侵犯到人民財產權的問題我也要拜託司法院以及我們法務部要表示一點意見 |
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不要說我們制定法令到最後他們又自愛然行或者確實是違反憲法裡面個人之財產之末日的問題這個也要列入我們今天要制定這些法令這些的考量所以我還是支持第一個提高法則第二個 |
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在這個部分 請有關單位說明清楚讓我們各位委員來做判別這樣的話 這個修法會較為完整所以以上報告好 接下來陳樹葉召委然後待會請相關單位回覆一下再請修法委員 第二波 |
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今天我們針對道交條例第12條的修正案剛剛很多委員都有發言也都論述得非常的清楚聽起來我們對於有關衛照車牌的部分提高罰款大家是有共識的 |
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當然就是說我們也看到就是相關的統計數字有關就是偽變造車牌的舉發數真的從112年就是有這個251件嘛那一直到去年的1到10月就有1012件就是增加了大概有三倍多了 |
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這個數量所以這個增加速度還真的是蠻快的這個數量也是蠻高的所以其實這個可能也會有幾個問題可能之後也要請交通部再去做一些評估跟就是做一些就是有關法律 |
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修正之後施行之後的一些影響可能要再做事後的一個評估然後再來作為就是法律修法的一個參考然後就是剛剛包括林俊憲委員跟這個我們許思杰委員提到的 |
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很多的就是因為超速就是說我們把那個超速的那個數字下修之後從60修到40公里之後就是變成不小心就超速嚴重超速的這個數量增加之後就被調控牌照也到造成就是說是不是也造成這個未照車牌的這個件數也提高這是不是有 |
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有相就是有相連性相關性是不是也要去做一個研究一下那當然就是說法令訂定之後未來就是說有關未照車牌的罰則訂定之後當然我們對於處罰的對象也沒有辦法去區分說他是因為一般的就是基於生計的需求工作的需求所以他不得不去用這個未照車牌或者是說他是因為犯罪而來使用這個假車牌 |
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對於這樣子違規的事項也沒有辦法去就個別的對象再去做不同的處分所以我覺得說在這個部分我們當然本席也是可以尊重大家的一個意見因為這部分我是有提說就是末路車輛的這部分那當然就是說對於這個比例原則的問題大家都是可以在討論的研討一下因為我的修正的部分是將那個 |
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有關就是使用未照變照蒙領車牌的這個部分除了提高罰則之外那就是說對於六個月內有在連續違反這樣子的規定的就是把這個車輛直接沒入這樣子的一個條文那這部分我們可以再來討論謝謝 |
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好那委員反正都快講一輪啦來邱若驊委員再來徐副國務委員謝謝主席那你壓軸齁林備強委員好謝謝主席本席間斷這邊補充還有提問那朝野的委員都有提案代表這一次的修法都有高度的共識那只是差別在於罰則提高多少然後還有是不是要新增條文規範在去年11月的時候交通部曾經有召開記者會那版本是這樣 |
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罰則上限提高到三萬六千元並將車輛沒收後銷毀那本期這邊也邀請交通部待會再做說明訂定三萬六的原因是什麼那沒收車輛並銷毀的釋法性足夠嗎以上謝謝好徐富奎委員 |
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謝謝主席我想這個假車牌的問題在台灣這幾年確實是蠻嚴重尤其我們調閱到的數據從108年的57件到去年一整年已經高達1271件暴增了20幾倍 |
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那其中當然我們現在發現到的幾個假車牌的太陽包含懸掛在網路上的假車牌然後還有已經報廢甚至是本席發現我們近期有很多報廢的車輛懸掛的試車牌在路上這個橫行然後甚至有可能造成一個犯罪的工具那甚至有些被 |
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排照被調扣六個月的車輛也是繼續掛著試車牌繼續行駛我想這兩種情形都會造成這個車輛在行駛路上造成用路人的安全那甚至我覺得是不是有造成一個犯罪的一個工具的一個傾向所以這部分本席也提出一個相關的修正一個條文好 謝謝好 林沛強委員 |
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好謝謝主席我想我們在場的所有委員針對這次修改這個法案的修改我們大家都認為提高罰款是一定的但是我們剛剛我們幾個委員在討論的時候其實私底下討論最主要是有關末路的問題那本席提議就是借用剛剛林俊憲委員的跟林國成委員的意見就是說針對如果這個假造車牌的車輛 |
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有實質上犯罪的事實不管算是酒駕、藥駕還是有肇事甚至有直接參與犯罪其實我們會建議把這部車輛拿去做末路因為照以前美國的法規來講他們對於偽造車輛的車牌其實罰的是非常重但是他們還是有因為他們車輛偏多所以我剛剛查資料才知道說紐約在去年就已經有損失兩億以上兩億美元以上 |
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在紐約市損失2億美元以上因為假車牌的議題所以這議題其實不是只有在台灣有在全世界各地都有那與其說是從嚴審查從嚴嚴辦倒不如說我們應該去是說看別人發生過什麼事情我們在這邊先做一個預防性的措施假設有犯罪事實利用假車牌的車輛那應該予以沒入那第二點來講的話就是說 |
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我們我認為剛剛就好有講過說因為現在我們遇到很多地方都有科技司法當然所有人對科技司法毀譽參半但是科技司法會去幫助我們執行上面來講會是有很大的幫助那就對於未來車牌的設計可能是交通部跟速發部要去想怎麼樣去能夠讓 |
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這個科技執法去容易辨識我們不是要去抓那些小罪而是那些如果說我們要去抓通緝犯我們去抓這些假車牌他們的確有這樣會或許會提高我們在這個政策上面執行率以科技來代替人力像美國他們是很他們有一筆有一筆經費是他們專門派一隊人去外面查說去撕那個假車牌那我覺得這樣的人力使用在台灣其實非常的昂貴那與其如此倒不如說交通部跟速發部 |
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重新來針對這個車牌的設計是否能夠用科技司法容易辨識假車牌的存在我覺得這樣可能會對於我們未來整個在政策上面執行有更大的幫助以上 |
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好 謝謝各位委員的討論跟說明那我們現在請包括交通部還有警政署 待會我們司法單位是不是也來說明一下因為主要針對於罰環的部分有最低最高要調哪個Range你們的一個建議如何第二個是沒路車輛的一個部分因為事實上現在已經有一些樣態是可以沒路車輛了 |
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那這個的部分再加入有沒有問題要不要設定什麼條件然後這個那當然有些樣態啦譬如說我租一台車然後把人家車牌換了那這個東西要怎麼辦在警政署或是說相關單位你們能有什麼建議好我們請來說明一下交通部 |
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是 報告召委還有各位委員那針對剛剛這個十一位委員所提的相關考量或建議意見的部分我這邊大概這個中整做一個重點的一個報告第一個部分我先跟各位委員報告就是說目前這個行政部門對於偽變造車牌相關這個全面性防制的一個這個作為 |
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主軸策略就是不敢賣、不敢買、不敢用這裡面剛剛陳儒坤哲委員這邊所提到從源頭阻斷加強茶器然後受害協助減免規規這邊來處理相關的作為我大概簡單重點跟各位報告 |
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有因為現行查到的尾道車牌基本上都是從境外輸入都是從境外輸入所以公務局跟這個公報署也規定了就是針對車牌進口這個部分是列為不得進口的項目那只要有這樣子的規格這樣子的形式在這個關口全部都掃描都這個查緝從這個這個源頭這邊希望就能夠做這個這個阻斷那 |
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第二個部分的話就是因為現行這一個就是說偽造車牌這個就是說以現行這個網路的一個方式確實是很容易取得上網訂購境外輸入那所以在網路訂購訊息這一塊公路局跟這個書畫部有設程式定期這個巡邏 巡到的部分就是要求這個書畫部把它做 |
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一個下架那第三個層面在這個就是實務查緝的部分實務查緝的部分公路局的吊扣吊銷這些車籍不正常就是這個衣櫃店不能上路的部分那另外高工局ETC的資料只要有這些車子有經常出現在高速公路部分這些相關的名單都會彙整到給這個就是檢控署檢控署在他們那個智慧這個偵查系統裡面就會把這些名單列為這個 |
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優先的部分然後還包括停停管單位在這個就是開這個停車管理這個收費單的時候有注意到這些的話都會通報那這個就會立即做一個查處那整體而言到目前 |
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也確實剛剛陳書業所提到就是說以往在像112年大概每年大概100多件這個200多件偽造車牌的部分那今年大概目前的一個數量大概是1271件那整個高峰在8月份的時候 |
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單月有來到這個400多件但是這個整合性的這個作為下來之後其實現在都降到像到12月大概降到這個100件這樣多所以整個下來是這個只有整個這個相關的查緝作為我們是有看到 |
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這個真相那包括這個就是說各單位目前都還在這個積極這個在做一個防治那回到今天大家針對這個其實說整個防治作為裡面就是說處啊條例的修正只是其中的這個一環那剛剛大家委員所關切的一個部分就是緩緩上線然後沒入這個車輛的 |
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一個釋法性那第三個那這個第三個就是比例原則的一個考量那第四個就是說剛剛有提到啊如果是租車或是借人家車啊這個深圳使用的人有去做這樣子的一個這個事情的時候那對於這個相關這個像租用車輛或是這個借他車人這個車輛的處理是如何處理 |
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那首先有關於滑軟上限這部分大概提供這個教育部意見給各位委員這個參考而其實如果說現行二十案委員提案的這個版本大家的滑軟上限差異性非常大 |
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那這是說有些是到3萬6有些是到10萬到這個15萬因為大家這個考量的層面是這個不太一樣那鋪裡面這邊是建議就是說這個就是說因為呃陳璐剛剛委員有委員所提到的部分在12條裡面總共有10款的違規太陽這10款的違規太陽 |
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都不太一樣而且適用的車種也會不一樣在12條裡面適用的這個車種太樣的話第一個有汽車有機車還有大型車輛那另外還有一些拼裝車廂像鄉下的這個都是在12條裡面處理的一個這個部分 |
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那所以針對這個針對提高滑緩的部分那剛剛委員也提到滑緩的提高就要搭配有沒有其他的一個這個處理的機制如果說有搭配這個在特定條件這個末路車輛的那個這個部分的話那可能滑緩提高這個部分就要比較做橫平性的一個考量那其實各位委員大概 |
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這個都有提到這個滑板上限提高跟沒入車輛部分那要去處理這個滑板上下限要不要做調整那就必須要先解決剛剛大家提到的一個部分車輛可不可以沒入那我跟這個各位委員報告除了條例裡面 |
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基本上這個行政法的部分基本上是可以沒路車輛這個是沒有問題那現行在處罰條例本身裡面沒路車輛有兩種開案像在12條裡面現行的這個未經刑事安全審驗合格的車輛上路就沒路然後這個拼裝車輛上路沒路然後呢報廢的車輛會報廢的車輛代表說這輛車子的安全性已經這個沒辦法那個所以車主都去報廢了 |
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報廢的車輛上路就沒路這個是屬於車輛本身安全性的不安全所以這個沒路那另外還有另外一種派讓就是說交通違規已經嚴重影響到公共安全公共利益的時候沒路那這個部分分別在35條跟43條的部分35條你只要酒駕 |
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這個肇事致人重傷死亡車輛沒路那第13條就是這個飆車你只要飆車第一次就是吊扣牌照這一個六個月然後如果說再次這一個違反車輛就這個沒路 |
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所以車輛沒入在處罰條例這個線型裡面是有而且這個車輛本身的不安全也有這個可以沒入然後相關交通違規重大可以這個沒入所以如果說在12條考量這個一些情況比較影響這個嚴重這個給予以沒入的話這個部分基本上是在處罰條例本身架構裡面是這個法理性是這個OK的 |
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那整體中部當時這個對外記者會說明的部分基本上就是提高法反跟末路車輛兩者來做這個考量那所以如果說有考量末路車輛的一個部分的話針對法反這個上下限的部分我們是比較建議下限不要動因為還必須要考量一些冰裝車輛或是機車吊扣 |
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無規行為沒有涉及到這個偽變造車牌的部分那個部分還是要這個維持做一個比較橫貧的考量那上限的部分我們是建議就是比照43條危險駕駛的部分的上限提高到這個366那搭配的這個車輛這個末路的部分的話 |
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布里敏跟法務部跟警察署大家開會討論的一個公式說針對確實對於車輛的危險性還有危及到其他人的利益的這個部分應該予以考量所以這次大概就是有建議就是說 |
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針對這個偽編造車牌裡面的第一個偽造他車的車牌因為偽造他的車保就是剛剛大家有提到可能會涉及到犯罪可能會這樣但是這些相關的東西都會轉嫁到其他這個受害被偽造的一個這個車主的一個身上那第二個部分就是造勢這個智能傷亡這個已經有危險到這個危及到這個安全性的課題那 |
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第三種條件就是說10年內一輛車的這個使用壽年大概是這一個就是10年那10年內你沒有前面的兩款但是你有壘犯那個部分那也予以考量這個目錄那這個部分的話我也這個跟各位委員報告如果說以這個去年1271件的話 |
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那這個這三個條款做考量目錄的話大概是佔百分之這個70啦大概是佔百分之這個70的一個比例那最後一點就是大家提到就是說這樣子的東西會不會像租賃車這些等等部分我跟各位基本上處罰條例的處罰必須還是在這個行政法法第七條的規定這一個之下非出於故意的那個部分的話基本上是不會那個 |
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所以如果租賃車輛租輛車子出去是那個陳租賃自己去編造車牌的那個部分的話那這個基本上對於租賃車輛是有他的這個基本上不會予以目錄那如果說這個車子借給這個人家那他去做這樣子東西的話那我想這個也是很好做舉證的一個部分這個東西都不在處罰的一個這個範圍裡面那這一次我們是並同建議啦 |
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因為使用這個其實我跟各位委員報告每一年被吊扣牌照或註銷牌照的這個案件數都非常多但是大家去看這個會使用偽造車牌的以往這一個200多件那今年確實是取得的管道這個比較容易這個等等部分而上升到這個一千多件但是這個比例的話相對於這個總數的部分是還是所以 |
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針對這樣子的一個這個防制的部分我們也特別在這個建議就是說如果說廢棄車所有人的駕駛人你明知道這個是偽造車牌你去這個再去使用這輛車子的話一樣變法一樣用最高法來做處罰那大概針對委員這個整體剛剛所提那另外一個部分剛剛徐副委員所提到的部分我跟委員報告 |
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只要報廢的車輛或是後吊銷的車輛不管他懸掛什麼車牌他一上路就是會依照12條來做這個處理這個報廢的車輛不會因為他掛了四車牌而這個不用目錄這個等於的部分所以這個剛剛委員裡面有提到四車牌這個部分基本上在現行12條裡面都可以都是按照現行12條的一個條文來做一個處理以上我大概重點中整跟各位委員做個報告 |
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好那這個警政署有沒有你們執行上面有沒有問題 |
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主席還有各位委員大家好警務署就委員所關心的問題分三點來報告首先第一點現況的偽造號牌的現況的報告那最近五年舉發的建樹一道焦條例的確是每年都成長 |
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那成長到113年總共統計到年底是1327件比112年是增加了472%那另外用違反刑法那刑法是在212條跟216條違反刑法的案件是112年是130件但是113年是1114件增加了856% |
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那這個是大概的狀況不過這個偽造號牌的那從今年因為我們大家的關注那經過政府包括交通部財政部、關務署、數位部以及警方的努力從8月份最高點253件到12月已經有下降的趨勢12月是120件 |
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那經由政府的決心還有媒體的關注還有大院各委員的支持我想我們一定有辦法來克服這個問題那第二點報告的是有關於查緝的量能剛剛有委員在關心警方的量能部分那警察 |
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機關目前在警政署最後端的資料庫裡面已經有建置了相關號牌有問題車輛的這些資料包括譬如說權力車、AV車、典當車、髒車、吊扣、吊銷以及可依車牌的資料那我們怎麼查緝呢警察都有智慧警情系統是用M Police人手一機 |
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去打車牌的號碼來比對那另外警察也建置了AI的巡邏的警車這個都配附了那個攝影機直接攝影以後輸到後端就直接可以辨識出來那當然這些智慧警情系統警政署在未來也在持續的擴充當中最後一點就是有關於這次修法的重點是在 |
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12條的 |
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地向的第三款這個偽造號牌的問題那警政署的意見是跟交通部因為已經開過很多次會了我們是支持交通部的版本那包括在第三款我們也設了條件本來是說偽造號牌的通通來沒入但是這個是也有很多的聲音說是不是違反比例原則但是事實上交通部的版本提出來的包括偽造他人 |
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的車牌致人重傷傷亡10月內第二次違反這個才才沒落實質上這個偽造號牌的人他已經是壘患嘛他偽造別人的號牌他自己的車子都被人家吊銷吊扣了才在偽造別人的這個實質上是已經有壘患的意味更何況目前啊國內有幾件重大非常重大的刑案是偽造號牌 |
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的人來做的最後一點補充就是說如果我們擔心以後偽造號牌的車輛扣了以後是不是有量能的問題我們在分析偽造他人號牌的車輛去年一整年是733件偽造自己的是453件 |
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那如果扣依照我們的草案 交通部的草案比如說要扣733件 733件是偽造他人號牌嘛那733件經由我們的努力 我們修法過了我們的宣導 我們相信 |
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明年不會再 這個應該是最上限了因為民眾就知道說很嚴重了不能再換這個法要不然車子會被沒路因此警政署的立場是支持我們交通部這次提出來的版本懇請大院支持 以上報告 |
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好謝謝那是不是最後請我們防務部廖參事來說明一下召委各位委員那鑑於當前使用偽變造車牌的案件激增造成許多的這個社會問題 |
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就政策上採行比較嚴格的這個防治措施本部競表支持那今天審議的這個草案裡面有部分的版本在12條的第二項或者是12條的第五項或者是12條之一有增訂這個沒入車輛的條款那採用的方式是直接沒入的這個罰則 |
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那這種形態是屬於強烈干預人民財產權的一個行政處罰的方式這個部分我們建請大院能夠橫著憲法比例原則來加以審議另外我們從另外一個角度來做觀察那從道交條例內部體系的內部比較來看 |
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其實沒入車輛這不是一個新創的法則在現行的體力裡面就有那我們盤點了本條例總共有4種類型是有沒入車輛的規定包括12條的危險性質的車輛就是針對拼裝車報廢車等等另外有21條的無照駕駛還有35條的獨駕酒駕以及43條的危險駕駛這4種類型 |
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那分類上大概他的沒入車輛有兩種型態第一種是針對危險性質的車輛那這種車輛的是採直接沒入沒有其他的這個條件另外三種無照駕駛獨駕酒駕還有危險駕駛這三種型態他的沒入車輛是同時 |
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有附加其他的這個要件好像肇事致人重傷或死亡或者是再次違反也就說第二次違反等等這些要件那緩衝掉直接沒入的這個盈利性那我們從比較的角度來看 |
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無照駕駛酒駕毒駕跟危險駕駛這三種形態的危害程度我想他並不亞於不亞於偽變造車牌這種形態所以這個部分是本條例跟這個議題有關的這個立法體力那這個部分我們也進行大院能夠一併參考審議以上報告好接下來我們這個陳法官 |
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主席各位委員好我是司法院代表針對這一次諸多版本大概都有共識說是要提高對於假車牌防制的法律效果那幾個重點分別是提高罰還然後沒入或是銷毀就罰還的部分本院對於上下限的提高沒有意見但是罰還的部分有一個規定是說很多版本都出現說一律依前項最高而處罰比方說像江戶的版本 |
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前面總共有十款卻有八款都一律依最高而處罰但是說但是每一種違規太陽不依然後每個人的可規則的情況也不同如果一律都依最高而處罰可能在比例原則上值得再思索這是法環的部分 |
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再來是漠入的部分剛才這個法務部的代表有提到說漠入它是一個效果非常強的處置但也誠如交通部剛剛代表說漠入是處罰條例已經有的法律效果但是它是限制在 |
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很強烈的違規太陽像是酒駕或是酒駕致人重要死亡或是飆車再次違反的情況那如果我們在假車牌防治上也要採取相同法律效果的話那可能也要在假車牌這種違規類型上挑選相類似非常嚴重的太陽來再比照處理那比較能符合比例原則的要求那以上檢討報告謝謝好謝謝以上的說明 |
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那我這樣請教一下就是說有沒有一個違規的樣態符合這個第一項兩款以上的情況那你們會怎麼處理啊 |
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有沒有可能這樣的就是說舉個例子就是說今天我超速40以上所以車牌被扣6個月對不對6個月之後讓我自己做一個跟我一模一樣號碼的假車牌上路那他是不是違反了第三款 |
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使用偽造變造車牌他是不是同一時間在行駛中間又違反了第六款牌照調扣期間行駛我不知道我感覺如果他在行駛之間被抓到的話是怎麼樣 梁哥是有加成效應嗎 還是怎麼樣 |
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比如說你剛剛舉的例子這個就是說出現超過40危險駕駛那調過牌照6個月然後在調過牌照的期間然後使用這個偽造車牌上路那如果回過頭來的話按照12條的部分他是同時違反這個調牌照調過期間行駛也違反使用這個偽造編造車牌的部分 |
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但是這個裁罰基準裡面我們就會去看那如果說是使用這個偽造的號牌這個裁罰基準比較高的話我們就這個用比較高的法案來做處罰不會兩個做加成是折衷來做處罰好的因為按照你們的版本最後兩個是一樣重啊 |
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一樣重嘛 就罰一個就對了那現在一個情況我真的是趁這個機會給你建議一下因為剛剛至少有四位委員有提到為什麼在過去的這個年度啊這個尤其偽造的車牌啊 |
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他這個特別多真的是可能跟那個超速40公里40公里然後就被吊扣嘛很多人就偽造自己的就把自己的車牌再把它掛上去大概這種樣態這種確實不少那我現在真的是你們要整體去思考這個去檢討一下 |
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那如果這個是沒有問題40公里是沒問題那當然第二個是其實地方很多那種超寬的道路莫名其妙就譬如說50然後一不小心旁邊有個小工地在施工30你根本不知道所以像這種的一個情況確實有那再來不知道這個社長你知不知道 |
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我們統計了過去八 從實施到今年的二月啦因為有申訴期嘛 到二月底我個人統計的我們因為這種超速40公里被查獲的有六萬五千件但是最終調扣牌照的只有四萬三千件也就是說逃脫率是三分之一不是啦 因為 |
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那有逃脫力的話人家可能假車牌也不用做了可能你們自己要去研究一下喔那為什麼這麼多人寫個理由也不用扣六個月了我覺得這個你們要去研究喔因為我是跟你們調的資料居然有兩萬兩千人我被超速了40公里 |
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我應該被調扣六個月了結果他沒事我不知道用什麼理由還是你們糟糕一下吧讓大家這是全民的都應該要知道用什麼理由可以有三分之一完完全全不用調扣的 |
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沒有沒有沒有沒有我是刻意我刻意掉四個月前的我刻意掉四個月前這個你們回去自己研究了我不敢掉現在的我掉2月29號截止的你們去了解一下好不好就是這些的逃脫術主要的話術理由是什麼 |
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我想交通委員給大家一下啦好不好因為我們這種東西人家來拜託我們不可能嘛根本怎麼可能完全不好意思超速你就被抓到就準備扣六個月我們都這樣回答嘛但是有三分之一的人不用 |
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講的如果說是屬於這一個違規案經申訴程序而裁定免罰這個部分我們來請這個工種統計六都裁決單位所以你們那個監理組給我的嗎你們真的了解一下啦都用什麼理由啦譬如說送父母看 |
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看病或說什麼什麼理由讓我們知道好不好就說十大逃脫術的理由這個我要我覺得應該要知道嘛好不好要不然我覺得你這個要整個檢討一下到底怎麼回事好那對對對沒有給他們查一下給他們查一下不是真的你們給我的數據就是這樣來羅定偉委員 |
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那這樣好不好我建議啦我再建議啦因為我們有20個委員有20組的版本版本那我們是不是現在因為交通部事實上他們這個也有版本但是來不及正式函文正式進入但他現在已經把他的意見變成建議的版本在這裡面那請大家也可以參閱我們以這個為一個討論的基礎大家來研究一下 |
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我先問問你他要看我想要請教一下交通部你們提出的修正建議修正條文喔那個在就交通部版本你們在針對 |
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对什么讲就是罚车部分在扣在能够没入车辆部分你们讲到说第三款中属伪造他车伪造他车牌照等等等等那个部分是所以说第三款里面的伪造车牌才要没入吗那变造跟蒙领之车牌是要不要没入我想要先确定一下这个定义问题以上谢谢 |
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跟委員報告因為這個第三款裡面有使用偽造變造或蒙影那偽造或變造偽造或蒙影的部分它還是原號牌但是這一個偽造的部分它是去製作另外一個號牌所以這個要沒入的部分是針對這一個第一個部分偽造它這個號牌但是你只要是蒙影或者是這個變造號牌你有肇事智能傷亡或是失聯鏈壘犯的部分一樣沒入 |
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不好意思我再確認一下因為用之前詞要了解一下這個網路在販售的遮排器也就是所謂你說的蒙里的一個樣態嗎 |
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那個是未依規定這個懸掛這裡面有像這個第七款嗎這個第七款的部分以領號牌而為懸掛或不依指定位置懸掛他有懸掛喔但是他不是掛在但是他有一個遮蔽物蓋下來蓋著所以他是有懸掛的樣態喔 |
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車輛每個出廠原廠都有設定一個附著在上面的部分所以他會動的部分基本上都不是附著在那個車輛固定的部分 |
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我知道了但是你要知道現在網路的樣態有一個是變換器就是把他的車牌變成沒有車牌那另外一種方式是他只是在他原有的車牌裡面加掛了可能一個比如說像窗簾一樣之類的可能窗簾蓋起來或者是那個像鐵皮那種模式上下伸縮的就把它遮住 |
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這個部分你算不算第七款算不算蒙名委員講的這個比較新式的部分我們在這個去年12月正式一個文就是給這個警務處就是說針對安裝電動遮排器就是依照12條第一項第七款 |
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又把他樣態納入就好那對於你們所建議的修正條文就是你們最低的罰款是3600對不起我覺得我沒辦法接受當然有些人會說這個違法的樣態可能也會影響到其他樣態但基本上我們看到在12條裡面我們所12345678910這樣子相關的樣態基本上都是在玩車牌 |
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都是在玩車台這裡面沒有放上比如說像停車的問題如果今天這裡面有其他的罰款樣態是可能停車或者是其他的一些比較小型的違規那我們去提升的最低罰款可能會影響到他們那我覺得可以做探討沒關係可是今天12條裡面全部都在講車牌裡面的偽造啊吊銷然後你還繼續使用這個車牌那這些都是在玩車牌的樣態 |
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我覺得我們就是要賀紙所以只有3600的最低罰款我個人不能夠認同應該要提高所以我這邊我提示15000元 |
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就是說當時剛剛考量3600不動的部分是因為還有踢鼓挖掐機車這些相關的部分那提高上限的部分偶然可以看到交通部的這個版本就是前向第一款包括到第三款就是這一個第三款的部分就是以最高法就是36000就是36000直接在條文裡面明定就是用36000來做這36000了 |
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三萬六太少了那個這樣各位我們先參照我們來看看這個建議版本因為委員和同仁的版本又要翻好幾頁我們直接來看建議修正的版本我們就進入實質的分階段來溝通第一個這個部分主要針對於罰款的部分 |
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交通部建議的版本是3600元起跳到三萬六也就是說最高的部分從一萬零八百有成長了三倍多那最低的還是維持三萬六那針對這個部分 |
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剛剛 那我個人是覺得這樣因為這罰環的部分因為同樣的道交條例前後有很多種樣態那包括危險駕駛如果還值三萬六他定在那裡我們如果太不符合法理這個定出來也會有一點怪怪的因為搞不好我們會覺得更嚴重再下一條他罰三萬六所以他剛剛有說我覺得不無道理也給大家參考但是最低的這個部分 |
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啊你一直在講說一些不管是農用啊或什麼但是我也覺得如果當時訂這個少一點是有點教育意義有一件啊這個你們不了解我覺得這種告知通知訓練這種義務大概也告一段落了如果到這樣的一個文明的一個社會還需要這個我是覺得最低的這個部分如果我們把它調到6000起跳各位覺得怎麼樣 |
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6000起跳到36000 |
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全部這裡可能考慮一下啦三千六可能是有些籠祭啦什麼有的沒的那些啦所以如果你把它調高是會處罰到那些人那些人他講快一點是有一點睜眼閉眼的合法不合法之間不曉得如何去處理如果我贊成把 |
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高的部分再把它拉高然後這些是要合組之作用看能不能把它最高拉高那那個偽造車牌一律用最高划定得很清楚這樣的話車輛比較好我是不是補充正義一下等一下 等一下那個黃建豪委員長 我提問一下因為你們那個交通部你們的修正條文裡面 |
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你們是一到三款還有六到十款都是依最高而處罰所以那個拼裝車那個農用車你們應該就放在所謂一到三裡面才對看起來是這樣子吧然後沒關係我先講完那你們等一下再看怎麼解釋那唯一逃過的最高法的就是四跟五 |
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使用吊销注销是牌照跟牌照借供他车使用或使用他车牌照四根五反而你也没有用到最高法所以一方面我也希望你们解释一下为什么四根五反而不用最高法那123678910都要最高法好那个这个这个这个立法逻辑上面我也觉得很奇怪因为我如果我今天就是要解决牌照 |
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他已經被吊銷跟註銷牌照他還繼續掛牌使用或是他去借別的車子來就借別的車的牌照來使用那不是也是跟類似偽編造車牌的概念嗎好好不好所以我覺得如果你你要比如剛剛你剛剛郭聲文提到如果你是為了說什麼地方上有一些鄉下地區有農用要拼裝車輛那個你就放在一定放在最高法了你還是有罰到他而且罰到最重喔那這個部分我覺得跟你們的說法好像有點出入以上 |
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好 這個講到點了嘛因為你這個拼裝車已經是罰最高啦已經都已經你第二款拼裝車輛如果主要的這個的部分都已經甚至第一項也是一樣啊第一款啊所以我是覺得應該你已經把他要罰三萬六啦對不對邏輯上面我們建華委員講的是是這樣沒有錯啊 |
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大概跟委員報告一下就是說當時3600下限沒有動到最主要是搭配這一個第二款的部分那第二款的部分就是我大概修正一下就是併裝車輛部分確實就是併在第二項裡面是第一款到第三款就是用最高法廚那當時這個考量的部分的話就是說剛剛就是黃委員提到第四款第五款 |
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的一個部分他是原排照在身上所以當時就是說第一款到第三款第六款到第十款均依最高的處罰就是說這輛車子在行駛道路的時候就只有兩種情況第一個車子上面沒有牌照第二個部分車子是使用偽造他人的號牌所以 |
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這個發生事情的時候查不到或是會歸咎到別人身上那針對第四款跟第五款就是說他是使用吊銷註銷的牌照但是他這個牌照沒有繳回來還掛在測試上面所以我基本上還可以追到他這個本人然後第五款牌照接供他車使用或使用他車牌照這個是項目接的部分我只要抓到一個就可以去那個所以這個第二項的部分是搭配第一項 |
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你只要車子上面沒有牌照的部分我在第二項都是用最高法案來做處罰那對不起那這樣的話你的3600或6000你基本上就是處只會處分到4跟5而已啊因為123678910都是用最高法的嘛所以4跟5其實不屬於這種需要勸戒的對象吧4跟5他本來就是故意去犯罪的會故意去做這件事情才會發生4跟5的情形 |
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事故不問的話最主要就是說號牌違規使用但是如果說發生交通違規或等等部分基本上都可以直接找到本人那當時會保留第四款第五款的部分的話也是考量到這個使用吊住銷牌照牌照就可能在機車上面那機車一下子這個罰到比較高的部分可能也考慮到比較橫行性的一個課題因為這個裁判基準裡面還會按照車種來做這個裁判基準的這個分類 |
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處罰條例裡頭大概會低而不動的大概都是考慮到機車啦所以這個如果一下子把它提高如果現在是3600以後就是一下就到6000啦這個可能有這個考慮機車機車機車所有的條例裡頭下限大概都是機車所以原則上除非必要原則上像在委員會大概都不去調那個下限 |
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好 那這個部分交通部說明有沒有說服大家沒有齁那我們就 這樣啦這樣 我們就不是 因為齁 我們還是要看委員的版本我也沒有辦法自己在那邊大部分的委員啊 這個在低標的落點啊當然有很高 我有看到五萬起跳的十萬月 也有 我有看到但大部分的落點啊 |
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大概在6000塊6000塊那我們就覺得這個部分當然剛剛交通部講的他有一些道理但我覺得3600提高到6000希望要違規違反這些條例的人更增加警惕我覺得這是可以的 |
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那上限三萬六也是蠻多人提的那最主要是因為後面有好幾條啊這個危險駕駛因為我們這次沒休但是他危險駕駛有些非常危險的甚至生命生命都會影響到的是三萬六了所以我們是不是就是新台幣六千元以上到三萬六以下罰還 |
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你車比較窮 |
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不是 我知道年輕人他可能比較經濟比較不好但是如果說我們講的是年輕人是吊扣牌照還騎出來這個年輕人或者說他去用尾照或者其他的第四項第五項也好使用 |
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吊銷註銷的牌照就是即使是第四第五項你要留給3600的這個部分如果我們不要講年輕人啦因為騎機車的各個年輕人都有啦如果說因為我機車因為代表經濟能力不太夠但是你的違規的樣態我覺得就是這個我是覺得是不OK啦不是 我覺得 |
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召委講這些基本上我是算蠻支持的因為你如果要修那你把最低划3600那也沒有什麼嚇阻作用啊只是既然要修那就較為嚴謹一點所以多數的委員提案也是認為應該要提高所以6000應該是合理但是如果調了 |
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最高的話要讓他完全嚇阻作用讓他們有警惕作用的話我認為最高法還是要調高這樣的話就像我們以前喝酒酒駕也是這樣啊慢慢調慢慢調調到現在大家是真的有嚇阻作用啊大家要喝酒真的是坐計程車啊他寧願車子在那邊他算過嘛我明天早上再來開 |
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我頂多300塊我被你滑是最少要9萬所以這個調高是有必要那昭緯所講的說最低滑6000這個部分我認為是合理但是最高滑也要跟著拉這樣的話才會有修這個滑才會有那種意義啦嚇阻作用才會生效啦這是我是建議這樣是大家商討一下 |
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所以我要補充一下我要說明一下我在提的案子裡面當然我是主張要就是最低是5萬那當然我這樣的主張我是把這個樣態是一列的 |
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我是把第三款就是使用衛照變照或蒙影的牌照我是把它增列成第12條之一我是拉出來的所以我們今天在討論的這個第12條的修正條文大家是針對使用衛照變照或蒙影的牌照的罰者罰款我們是針對這個樣態可是因為今天交通部如果說沒有要把這個這個特別拉出來的話那我們提高的這個罰款的最低跟最高是會 |
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影響到這十個樣態嘛對不對那當然他有列到說第一款到第三款已經都是要依前列前項最高而處罰那這樣子的話就是說使用偽造編造或蒙影的裁判就是最高處罰了嘛所以所以我就說這個就不影響到最低的那個罰款啦你懂嗎那個黃委員 |
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就是說因為我如果說這個我們今天重點都是放在使用衛照變照或蒙影的這個的罰款的問題啦那我的想法是如果說我們沒有要把這個樣態特別獨立出來的話我們還是就尊重交通部的意見啦最低罰就3600啦我的意見是這樣 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝我們陳昭偉其實他提供另外一條思路啦有好幾位委員即使在12條裡面也拉在後面單獨拉出來對於這個第三款的這樣的樣態直接去加重罰則就單一把它拉出來那就不要影響到他們一般的這個部分這也是另外一個思路啦好 羅委員 |
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所以我希望大家能夠參考我的提案喔那我是另外拉出來啦那所以我的版本是罰10萬那我有另外拉出來就不會去影響到其他的權益那基本上包括剛剛我們民眾黨委員我們國城兄有提到我可以支持 |
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那趙偉所提的最低的部分我也可以支持就6000我其實我原本是15000啦那我願意為了大家但是這個部分我希望說最高的部分要拉高最高的部分要拉高甚至就像我的版本一樣是另外拉出來違反這幾項單獨這幾項是直接給予10萬塊的罰款我想這個就交通部就沒什麼好說了這不會影響到其他樣態啊 |
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就是說因為大家有搭配這個末路的部分 滑緩跟末路兩個要這一個要這個是建議比較這個整體做考量啦是比較這個整體做考量 |
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然後這個不裡面提出來的一個這個條文當然就是說滑板上限的部分就是委員這個中中委員這邊的考量但是有提出來一個橫頻的這個概念那另外這個末路的部分還有那個大家討論到的偽造變造等等的部分其實在第二項就是根本不牽涉到下限的課題他都是牽涉到上限的問題因為條文明定他就是用最高上限來做處罰了 |
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大家用最高上限來做處罰再搭配這個車輛其實剛剛報告的部分只要偽造車牌的部分百分之七十就這個沒路了其實大家講的一個部分最終車輛的一個這個價值就是全部這個再做一個處理我是比較建議因為整體橫平性也必須要就是做一個考量這剛剛召委所提到的一個部分 |
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其實這個偽造這個車牌是非常這一個可惡那但是危及到交通安全這些相關直接撞死那個又是在其他條文裡面他的這個設定在那個地方所以整體而言還是要做一個比較這個橫頻的考量 |
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好還是我們現在這個嘗試採取的一個方式就是說我們在修正條文的部分如果說這個遵照我們交通部的他現在修的一個意見但是我們後面在第二項的部分因為各款嘛第一項有十款那在第二項一個後面針對於我們第一項第三款這個 |
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才比較高的一個罰則就直接把它單獨拉出來也因為今天其實會修改這個今天要來修正這個條例其實主要的用意就是違變招車牌真的不是要暫時不是要去做別的事情所以我們乾脆聚焦了那前面就是按照 |
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我們交通部你們的一個建議但是我們後面把第一項第三款有好幾個委員也是這樣寫啦這樣我們就這樣我們折衷一下 橫平一下就把它拉到六萬塊啦就針對這個樣態針對第一項第三款這個樣態那我們就是來罰還六萬元找位 |
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所以稍微就只針對第三款對啊我也不知道啊那個六萬我覺得太少了蛤十萬啊我可以不末入啊還有末入六萬加末入對啊 |
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我跟委員報告因為我們條文裡頭本來是就是1到31到3還有6啊10啊是最高的最高我們的想法就是三萬六那如果剛才講的我們是可以在這個情況下我們特別把那個1到3就寫第一款第二款然後把第三的另外意思就是說我簡單講就是前向的第一款第二款第六款第十款就是儲大概就是儲 |
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三萬六就這樣 明講然後第三款儲多少就尊重委員好 現在結論就是麻煩你們稍微寫一下就是現在十裡面有十款那其中有兩款是你們可以用彈性的可能最低嘛你們沒有把它列用最高的其他九款抱歉其他是九個嗎六七八九十 |
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其他的八款其他八款你們本來用最高法你們再把第三款先在這個裡面先剔除我們單列在後面好不好那個市長寫一下吧市長寫一下 |
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你們這邊把那個條文按照我們委員要共事因為確實如果處理到都軟趴趴的這個大家也覺得很奇怪委員我是不是可以這樣子建議建議交通部的建議就是說 |
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針對這個第三款的部分把它特別這個拉出來那因為第三款的部分原來就列在這一個這第二項第三款的部分原來就列在這一個第一項裡面所以那個第二項的部分我文字是不是這個投影打一下就是前項第一款然後頓點 |
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第二款及第六款至第十款情形然後均依前項最高法處罰然後逗點第三款按前項最按前項這個最高額處罰按前項最高額加倍處罰制對 |
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好 那把條文整理一下來 麻煩再唸一次 |
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前項第一款頓點第二款及第六款至第十款情形者均依前項最高罰處罰最高而處罰第三款按前項最高而加倍處罰之好那大家就這樣的因為討論蠻久的我覺得有有初步達到那個目標啦那至於說 |
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這個我覺得接下來我們就尊重一下那個因為交通部他們跟跟我們法務部相關單位他們都有討論啦他這邊有三項的一個樣態沒入車輛第一個就是偽造他人車牌偽造他人車牌就大概就是犯案的讓警政單位都摸不著頭緒那第二呢如果肇事致人傷亡 |
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或者十年之內第二次違犯你用了一次第二次就直接沒路了這三個樣態沒路車輛畢竟沒路人民的一個財產還是這個財產權我們覺得在修法的時候還是逐步逐步的漸進式的方式來做處理那各位看這個沒路的這個部分我個人是建議就採用交通部他提供的一個版本 |
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交通部的版本我們競表支持其中的條文字就是第一種類型第三款中屬偽造他車車牌他車車牌除了偽造也有可能是變造所以是不是搭配我們第三款就是偽造、頓點、變造之他人車牌 |
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好謝謝廖長士的建議還有勒就是偽造變造對我覺得比較明確 |
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因為我剛剛也要問說到底偽造跟變造的差別是什麼啦因為本來交通部建議的條文已經只有偽造那變造其實也是找不到人吧變造就是說可能牌子還是國家發那個但是他用畫的用貼的用什麼黏的那種方式是不是這樣的貼膠袋的啦那叫變造變8啦你把他貼成8啦謝謝 |
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偽造變造他車牌三種樣態可以沒入這個車輛那現在就是偽造變造他車牌照第二造勢之人傷亡 |
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第三個是十年內第二次違反本規定的那我們就我覺得這個可以啦應該達成共識那現在最後一段是那個交通部說明一下你們在最後一段 |
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這段有修的部分是什麼跟各位報告就是說我們建議的部分就是說針對非汽車所有的所有人的駕駛人如果駕駛這一個這一個相關沒有懸掛號牌的車輛我們希望併罰 |
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因為他明知道這個車輛是偽造號牌那或是車輛根本就沒有號牌他一樣就是把人家這一個開出去的部分所以條文是講說飛機這所有人之駕駛人駕駛第一項第一款第三款及第六款至第十款的車輛依第一項規定划完最高額處罰之 |
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就是說你明知道這個車子就是沒有號牌這個雖然不是你的車子可能是借他你還是要這個開所以就有點類似這個酒駕變法的概念這個是不是要配合前面的那個這個不需要這個是屬於這個駕駛人他明知他仍然去開我舉例一下就是我假設我啦我誤開了一個變造車牌的 |
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不管是我誤開或是我故意啦不管是我誤開或是我故意你現在是只罰駕駛人對不對嗯OKOK好很好很好 |
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好針對1號第12條那因為這個的內容請各位參閱因為這個是蠻多委員沒有提到的部分他有特別加進來就是所謂非汽車所有人的駕駛人駕駛第一項第一款及第三款及第六款至第十款的車輛就剛剛前面的十款裡面的描述一第一項 |
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規定罰還最高額處罰 也是三萬六的意思嘛 對不對好 各位 這邊有 來趙偉加兩個字啊 加倍啊這不要 我怎麼不要如果今天是我誤開 或者是我自己明知要開我又沒有車子被沒入 那車子又不是我的那我已經沒有車子被沒入了 為什麼不能加重罰他款 |
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其實這個偽造號牌主體是罰汽車所有人啦那這個汽車駕駛人的部分是並罰啦那這個主體是汽車所有人這個以便前面有些行為基本上是沒有加倍處罰你到這個並罰汽車駕駛人這個這個比原來的汽車所有人罰的這個更多是這個法律上面是還是要 |
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有啦 像這個這當事者是7萬2家車子捏跟我們知道這一款的一個部分是包括第一款還有後面後面這些車子上面沒有這個號牌的部分那前面這個加倍的部分是針對偽編造的部分我們有加倍所以這個變化汽車駕駛的部分我是建議可以參加補裡面的一個部分已經這個是以往沒有的處罰制是3萬6以上對對對對對我們認為這個7萬2加倍 |
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主要考慮的部分 |
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主要考慮的部分是這個汽車駕駛人的部分是變法那12條的部分罰的主體應該是那個汽車所有人他要這個負責那只是說汽車所有人他明知道這樣子情況他還是去使用這樣的車輛所以要予以變法所以處罰的主體性原則上還是以汽車所有人這個為主那這個變法的部分我們是希望說達到這個變法組合的目的就好了 |
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他這個比較全面一點啦因為這中間去處罰的一個部分總共有七個這個七款不是說剛剛我們剛剛前面是針對對症下藥就是第三款就是把今天我們修法的一個目的講清楚那後面事實上他們要達到全面的一個管理的這個部分所以對於七款的樣態如果是這個就算你不是汽車所有人的駕駛 |
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他也有針對於駕駛人處罰嗎是不是好那這個部分是我們委員沒有提到但他們為了完整性加上來的好那針對第12條第12條的一個部分 |
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我覺得我覺得可以了可以了因為這個沒有我覺得可以這畢竟是交通部自己提出來的那我覺得就先尊重你們那這事辦法律上假設法律上路之後還有問題那大家再討論那我覺得至少這條是交通部主動提出來的一個針對非汽車所有人駕駛的那個的一個懲罰附帶的所以我覺得可以了好現在針對於 |
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第12條的一個修正條文的內容我們已經討論了一個半小時也達到一個一些共識那是不是剛剛已經相關的共識已經修正在這個我們投影那個表格都有了好那我們目前這是什麼修正動議黃孟楷委員又提一個修正動議的版本請大家參閱有在桌子上面 |
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那是不是這樣的 我們協商到現在我們第12條是不是就按照交通部建議條文修正後通過各位有沒有問題 |
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好沒有問題我再確認一下第一個我們這個主要發環的部分是3600到36000然後針對於第三款的部分有拉出來我概述一下就是加倍就最高的加倍就是72000來去做一個偽變造車牌的一個處罰 |
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那最後的部分對於非汽車所有人駕駛人的駕駛這種七個款這種情境違規的一個樣態都一樣是用最高三萬六來做一個處罰這是今天十二條修法一個概念來各位好我最後一個請問就好我問一個問題我拿一個案例來舉例 |
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那我如果今天這個案例他是發生在花蓮61歲的男子酒後駕駛無牌瓶裝車撞傷人那就這樣子的樣態來說請問他是罰多少是酒駕在家無牌在家你可不可以算個數字給我讓我知道一下 |
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可以接受 |
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好第十二條就按照我剛剛的一個宣告就是依照交通部建議條文修正或通過好接下來看十二之一條十二之一是新增的這個部分是我們召委提的嗎五個版本五個版本二三月 |
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來請各位翻開23頁 |
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好因為20 對抱歉12支1條主要我們是4位委員也是5位委員就是把尾變造車牌本來是直接拉新增新增12支1條來拉出來單獨來做處罰但是我們剛剛已經在第12條的時候已經併入12條已經做了處理了那待會每天用這條我們就不以爭定了好不好 |
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好 如果各位沒有意見啦我們十二之一條因為因為剛剛已經處理過了十二之一條我們不予增訂好 我們在接續處理之前休息十分鐘謝謝 |
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這比較好不曉得 末路啊那個末路的那個都比那裡高的高得多車輛 車輛的價錢 |
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好我們繼續開會在繼續審議之前各位桌上都拿到我們因為剛剛有調整文字用講的用看的不準請大家再確認一次第12條的整個修正的條文的內容我們再確認一次陳書業召委 |
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好謝謝趙偉那就是我們根據剛剛提供的這個修正文字的內容那我們剛剛有在仔細的研讀跟思考了一下那我這邊有一個建議是不是大家再討論一下就是說有關就是交通部在增訂的這個文字裡面前向 |
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多了兩個字前項第一款然後頓耗第二款及第六款至第十款情形者均依前項最高而處罰那有關這個第二款因為就是針對這個拼裝車輛未經核准領用排證行駛等等這個樣態 |
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那因為這個部分一般在就是基層在鄉下可能就是農用的車或者是就是農民或者是工人會在短程或是工地有這個搬運車所以這個部分可能會就是說一律採最高法沒有一個Range的話我覺得可能會有失那個就是那個原則所以是不是這個第二款是不是可以把它剔除掉 |
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就是說不要踩最高額就是說這個樣態的違規讓他有一個處罰的一個任局啦不要說一定就是踩最高額這個三萬六這樣子是不是大家再思考一下謝謝好謝謝曹偉是的剛剛我們黃庭豪委也在提這個啦因為我們都是覺得有一些可能在農村啊他的樣態危險性危害性比較輕的那不是不罰嘛就是有一個彈性你們去結果你現在把他框到最高那這個部分 |
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| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
8807.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
我們陳昌偉就提出來了那如果說把第二項第二款把第二款這邊把它拿掉咧所謂拿掉的話就變成3600到3600啦那你們看這種樣態的危害性來 黃靜雅委員謝謝張偉 我附和一下 因為其實講真的 |
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哎不管不只是农用啦我想很多观光区好大家去海边如果采耳耳啊的时候那个车子我看也是冰装车很多是改装的变就是说他的那个饭他他的那个行为我家不是为了犯罪而反而产生的他是就是一个历史工业就这样好那当然就作为主管机关当然你们还是有这个采访的义务或是没有管理的义务啊但是我觉得这个金额的确如果直接 |
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拉到36,000而且沒有得談的話我覺得的確是會對這種基層的這些商業或是農業行為會造成一定影響所以這邊我是覺得說我也同意說所以剛剛提出來但是你們沒有回應我就算了你們要這樣子那現在提出來那我覺得對啊那個第二款我覺得部分這部分是可以的確應該排除在所謂的直接最高額的這個部分以上 |
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好 江東我覺得這樣呢有沒有什麼問題如果拿掉的話第二款那我們就回到就是說商主這個第二款之後第二款的部分我們就回到原來的裁罰基準分級據來做考量好 現在用最高處罰的話經過調整的話會剩下就是前項的第一款 |
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即第六款到第十款大概剩下六項嘛是不是六七八九十對剩下六款剩下六款的話就是不用不用囉嗦直接是最高最高的法環好那我們就這邊把第二款拿掉就確認好那我就再次宣告這個 |
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好 按照交通部我們剛剛建議的再修正的條文來通過好 請各位翻開第13條27頁27頁 |
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27月主要是我們林德福委員有提修正案那這個部分修正案其實他後面有說明最主要他把原本的條文拿掉要放在12-1條但12-1條我們已經不以增訂了也就是說也沒有地方可以拿過去了所以這個部分如果大家沒有其他意見的話我們就還是維持原條文不以修正 |
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好吧各位有沒有不同意見好沒有不同意見好我們就是維持現行調溫接下來進行第15條的協商那徐委員在現場嗎來徐委員來 |
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交通部你們的看法是什麼這個部分跟在外還有哥倫報告就是說學園這個就是要增訂的部分其實現行在這樣子的違規行為都適用第12條第7款的規定了都已經適用了所以都涵蓋了是吧對對對對對 |
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好那我們第15條還是維持現行條文不予修訂好各位沒有不同意見我們接續審今天的最後一個條文558585之3我翻到哪裡去了在這29頁29頁這個部分我先請交通部來說明一下好不好 |
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跟周委還有各位報告基本上就是說85條 蔡經商委員提案85條之上部分是一個配套這個12條那個當場一致保管的一個配套修正條文那我們是建議因為沒有這個第五項的一個規定所以是建議就是說那因為第一項 |
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所以就是增加一個第一項是不是 |
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把第五項刪掉第五項是什麼說明一下在原來這一個就是第12條第五項是路邊停車如果又哈牌有問題的話一樣把它做一個一致保管那因為先行這個條文有增修整變所以12條已經沒有第五項那第一項有增訂一致保管 |
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好那第85條之三啊這個比較單純啊就增加一個第一項好第12條的第一項然後把刪掉的是第五項嘛第五項不要好那各位來黃建豪委員好這個謝朝偉在最後要送出之前呢我想要提一個事情剛剛好像討論到後來沒有結論就是說因為包含汽車租賃公會有來陳情說那個如果是租車 |
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來處理這部分我覺得先留個記錄是租車然後被被人家使用偽編造車牌的話那個罰或者是那個處分怎麼處理 |
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這部分跟委員報告如果是租用車輛他提供出去的是一個號牌正常的車輛而是這個成租人他自己去把他換成偽造號牌的這個部分的話這個基本上他是這個行政法法第七條的適用是不處罰這個汽車所有人那就是也是不處罰這個提供租用的車輛因為他提供這個租用的車輛是一個號牌正常的車輛 |
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好那我再多問一下道德風險那這樣以後要犯罪的人我就去租一輛正常的車然後去變造車牌然後犯罪完之後再把車還給車行那這樣算誰的跟這個就是有人這個報告 |
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這個因為12條是針對車輛所有人對於號牌本身的這一個管理啦然後這次也特別增訂了如果說像這一類是有增訂這個處罰這個汽車駕駛人的部分那汽車駕駛人以往沒有的部分沒有辦法處罰到的部分這次也有處罰到那另外一個部分就是說 |
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這個人如果是租了車輛去偽編造這個號牌的話那基本上也涉及到這個刑法那刑法偽造特種文書那法務部現在已經在檢討特種文書刪掉回到一般文書那個這個刑法更重那至於說實務的一個部分的話就當然就是要靠執法跟這個查緝 |
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好來好主席那我確認一下齁其實也一樣就是黃建豪委員這邊的講法幾個部分第一那是不是未來公務局或是說路政司這邊要求就是我們這個車輛出租業者或是要慎進所謂的一個 |
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告知責任所以說我們之前也有講譬如說我們禁止酒駕嘛所以說在那個出租的契約上面是不是就要明文標示規定就是說我們提供譬如說這車輛提供的是一個合格的一個車牌那禁止去做偽造變造的車牌的一個使用我想有多一個警語或說多一個告知那 |
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駕駛人如果說已經有簽名了那也可以避免就釐清這個責任這第一個那第二個是因為我們現在在12條裡面 |
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第三款你在前面是已經按前項最高額加倍處罰值換言之就是三萬六的加倍七萬二可是你後面又講說非汽車所有人之駕駛人駕駛第一款第三款第六款的第一項規定罰額最高額處罰值所以非汽車所有人的駕駛人如果說違反第三款這個變造偽造車輛那到底是罰七萬二還是三萬六 |
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我們報告一下第12條這個號牌的管理它的處罰主體在第一項就有明文就意味著是處罰汽車所有人的部分對於汽車駕駛人並沒有處罰那這一次這個就是說編則委員的一個提案我們是建議就是增加除了對汽車所有人的處罰之外如果說是屬於汽車駕駛人明明就有這樣子的情況的話我們希望能夠變法來做一個全面的一個防治 |
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所以如果是這一天就是說非汽車所有人的部分的話前面汽車所有人就是加倍處罰了那針對非汽車所有人的這個駕駛人就是按照最高法三萬六來做處罰就是併罰所以他的併罰不會比這個應該要負主責的汽車所有人這個來得重 |
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OK好因為這要釐清我們現在的一個法條啦好那最後我再提一下因為我想假車牌的這個事情非常氾濫我們從之前詢答就已經有但到目前為止社群媒體上面真的還是看得到 |
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有假車牌因為我一直想想是說我們現在做的是後續最後的一個這個處罰那但是源頭把關很重要那源頭把關當然交通部可能會覺得說源頭把關這可能跟交通部門利有未待他可能包括速發部可能包括NCC可能包括其他的相關經濟部的相關部會但是我們看的是一個結果 |
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所以我必須講是說到目前為止此時此刻我們在即便是大家都已經講了那麼多假車牌必須要防止但是你真的去查社群媒體平台搜尋車牌再加幾個關鍵字你就可以搜尋得到還是會有這些什麼加LINE私聊然後車牌的一個部分我覺得這個部分真的還是要要求交通部門 |
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不管是你們主動的去做一個網路上的一個搜尋或者是說跟速發部怎麼樣的來做一個配合以及跟社群媒體平台來要求因為社群媒體平台很清楚明白認知這個就是違法的商品那違法商品就不應該在社群媒體平台上出現嗎我覺得這一點部分是我再一次提出來那我肯定說我們今天有感謝趙偉來排這個修法 |
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但是除了這個修法的處罰以外更重要是源頭管理因為我們不希望源頭出現讓任何人輕易的獲取這個資訊之後感覺他可以停而走險去購買好不好 以上謝謝好 何清晨委員 |
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好謝謝趙薇那我也有提出這個版本不過我尊重早上大家的討論因為第12條的修法是非常重要大家對於這個假車牌氾濫用氾濫兩個字你就可以知道民間對於這個假車牌的這一件事這個議題是非常深通誤解因為這牽涉到不是只有一個假車牌它自己本身的問題而已它還延伸出很多的一個 |
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疑似有犯罪之嫌這個很多很多的一個問題所以包括詐騙所以這個修法很重要所以我也謝謝召委今天在修會之前特地排這個 |
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修法那我是同樣的也是希望提醒我們交通部這邊除了在稽查這個部分還有我們現在各監理單位事實上都已經電腦化那電腦化的另外一個數位化就是一個他可以即時有效的就大數據的一個管理那我們如何去 |
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少出稽查或者是防治防範這個假車牌的問題那這是第一個我還是要請教就是我們這個監理系統的一個數位化這個大數據的一個大水庫的這個建制到底現在有沒有跟得上我們想像中的數位台灣的腳步這個當然你可以 |
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會後再書面資料給我或到我辦公室我們可以來討論那第二個在於剛剛洪孟楷委員在講的源頭管理這個源頭管理當然你們有你們的一個溯源的機制包括從生產製造到後段但是這個源頭管理還包括我們現在在外界上很多的平台上你們可以看到的而這個稽查跟源頭管理我相信不是只有你們 |
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你們一定要跟警政單位跟其他很多單位要合作那這個合作橫向的一個機制我希望能夠建立而且是長期性的建立這樣子的一個合作的一個機制那這個機制如何建立那未來如何跟警政單位這樣子的保持這樣子的一個合作的一個機制也請會後再來 |
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送報告給我或是到我辦公室我們可以來討論那我想我們一定要多方面的來解決這一個假車牌氾濫的問題那這樣子才能夠恢復國人對我們政府這個公權力的一個信心跟信任好不好好以上謝謝好謝謝何委員那剛剛第85條之3號我們就按照交通部建議的版本通過 |
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好 各位沒有問題 那今天審議的幾個條文都已協商完成了齁 |
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做以下宣告今日協商的結論免予宣讀授權議事人員整理作為決議列入記錄交通部建議條文及相關機關所送書面資料列入公報記錄第二針對於今天審查的結果請交通部補充說明會後送交通委員會製作審查報告並列入記錄刊登公報 |
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好最後針對今天的會議做以下的決議一討論事項第一案至第二十案道路交通管理處罰條例修正案審查完略並按你據審查報告提報院會討論第二調次引述條文部分文字及法制用字授權主席及議事人員整理 |
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運會討論時由本人魯召集委員明哲補充說明那第四那這樣的好不好因為大家都蠻有共識的我們會節省後面可能三讀的時間我們運會討論前我們就不需要我們自己黨團再協商了好不好在交通委員會我們就不用再協商了各位有沒有意見沒有沒有意見好 |
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接下來本次會議議事務授權主席核定後確定請問各位委員對以上決議有無異議沒有沒有異議通過本次會議到此結束謝謝大家現在散會 |
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謝謝 |