| IVOD_ID |
164702 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164702 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-27T09:19:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-27T09:30:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:41 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e3c6c6412082f2424f85750e3e4cb25ee1e8926e407b158a7e6f55c1fb2d3161a637cdb474afce8b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:19:01 - 09:30:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員陳崇樹列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、處理113年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管有線廣播電視事業發展基金專題報告案計1案。
【10月27日、29日及30日三天一次會】） |
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好主席謝謝麻煩請陳代理主委主委謝謝好代理主委早代理主委上禮拜一跟三我們四位NCC被提名人包括主委副主委以及兩位委員的審查過程有沒有關注有有關注喔是那有全程的看他們的一個答詢 |
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除了部分時間在開會之外我都有在看了解好那有沒有看到注意到我們開宗明義都請教四位委員一個問題啊什麼時候接受行政院院長的徵詢有這個問題什麼時候主委是什麼時候接受行政院長的徵詢跟跟專委報告這部分主委提名人什麼時候被徵詢這個不在我的掌握範圍不是你不是說都有看嗎他們都公開的答詢啊他們 |
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所以你有看但是他們答詢的內容你沒有記住有人說是五月啊五月 好 主委是五月五號被徵詢啊他到最後他自己講說五月被徵詢但他說徵詢了兩次來 那副主委什麼時候被徵詢這部分他好像講的又比較精準一點好像是好像是四月份四月 好 那黃薇薇委員勒 |
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這部分剛好我在開會 好 那個下午的羅委員他說什麼時候被徵詢去年11月所以四位委員都講是最晚是五月被徵詢就已經答應說要出任NCC委員那請教這一次新的NCC委員名單什麼時候送出來 |
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應該7月30 7月31就剛好就是滿一年嘛去年的731上一任四位委員到期那今年731剛好週年啊行政院長才把名單送出來 |
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那會不會覺得很奇怪五月那時候我們還有交通文化還有開會喔本席也在這邊自己一直救教我就說有沒有跟行政院長你也講啊這不是你的權責所以我不怪你但是我說既然現在一直講說NCC只剩下三位委員然後有些業務沒有辦法運作換照時間到了要換照沒有辦法做然後一直跟我們講是說哇視聽大眾的權益很重要 |
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那結果千呼萬喚使出來是四位委員最晚一位都是五月就被徵詢並且答應了結果到731才送出名單為什麼你會不會覺得你自己很孤單你代理主委結果沒想到行政院長沒有聽到我們NCC所有業務的需求明明已經好了然後壓著名單不送出來我們立法院要審查都沒有辦法審查 |
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主委認為這樣合適嗎抱歉這部分我沒辦法來你沒有辦法批評 你沒有辦法評論這是行政院長對 我的立場是我沒辦法評論擺爛嘛 |
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實在話就擺爛了而且還要騙國人講是說有哪一位委員有什麼職涯生涯規劃但是我們問完了四位委員都說沒有啊我姑且相信四位委員在這邊他們是被提名的身份他們在國會殿堂向國人跟立法委員說明他們應該要講實話那只有一個人沒有講實話就行政院啊就卓榮泰啊那到底七三一以前在幹嘛 |
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不願意依法行政就是現在國家最大的悲哀但是程序處理這樣子沒有依法行政內容有委員還持續堅持說新聞自由是什麼能吃嗎這是我詢問我就直接請教說是不是你到目前為止都還堅持你當初講新聞自由是什麼能吃嗎他答是請教代理主委 |
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你有辦法未來如果說這樣的委員你有辦法跟他共事嗎你覺得他的理念新聞自由是什麼能吃嗎跟你的理念一樣嗎兩個部分回答 第一部分是每個人都有言論自由這是第一點 第二點我現在沒有辦法就未來還沒發生的情形來回答是 所以你已經回答第一個是每個人都有言論自由嘛言論自由 新聞自由是每個人的普世價值嘛 |
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你沒有 我不尊重你說話的內容但我適時捍衛你的言論自由這就是民主法治國家可是他居然直接踐踏新聞自由到這種程度新聞自由是什麼 能吃嗎當然不能吃啊 但新聞自由是我們共同要努力捍衛的啊不是嗎 |
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不要只是微微點頭啦可以回答是是是那個朝偉的當然是普世價值當然是新聞自由大家都來推崇大家都來當作一個閨蜜那李主委所以我 |
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講完上個禮拜我們的答詢四位委員我想我跟廖先祥委員還有我們好幾位委員其實都很用心我們四位委員都有答詢或是說有一些反正該答詢我們都要答詢我們問得很清楚那接下來送出交通委員會大院會做投票我想我們也會本於民意代表的職責 |
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合適我們不會刻意阻攔但如果不合適沒有辦法堅守新聞自由言論自由行政中立我們也絕對不會放水那可能也要請我們代理主委做好持續代理的工作心理準備做最壞的打算最好的準備但重點是NCC的業務不能就像如同您剛剛有報告的地方一樣該做的要做 |
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跟召委報告NC委員組成是多元我們希望越多元的組成對這個會的當然就是多元但是絕對不是刻意放水所以我剛提了嘛就如果說他答詢的時候都在講這種偏薄的話行政不中立的話我們也沒有辦法接受啊來代理主委我想再請教一個比較實務面的問題喔e-sync |
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的業務現在手機大家仍然使用那有一個是SIM卡的部分看從2014年2015年開始科技進步有eSIM出來其實他就是實體的SIM卡變成是線上的SIM卡可是在國外行之有年的部分現在要換eSIM居然是每一次更換要被系統業者收取300元的作業費設定費 |
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是 跟周浩報告 周偉剛剛講的確實沒錯這個一信就是實體卡變成一個軟體設定的分位的一些卡其實在本國主要原因是因為要做身分確認 做打架至於收費的部分 其實我換個角度來看 |
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基本情況下都不收費因為我們問過我們也跟業者來要求過過去一年內業者手上的一線的客戶大概有九成都其實都沒有收費的包括首次申辦從實體卡變成一線卡變成一線的都沒有收費送修的也沒有 專案購的也沒有VIP或老客戶也沒有所以基本上大部分都九成的用戶其實都不會收費 |
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但你說也不用那麼急著幫業者講話本席先聽完本席的問題您再回答我只想請教我們進來NCC去了解那有沒有詢問我沒有說一定不收費該合理的成本要cover也不能一定讓業者吸收但是我要問的是300元合不合理因為300元等於是10塊美金嘛 |
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那本席也查了有在國外譬如說美國的部分也有他們有一些方案等等的他們有收取這個手續費但我現在想問的是當現在很多民眾看到說每一次手機轉換異性都要收300元 |
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即便是我已經換了eSIM但我要換新的手機我要再付300元可是跟SIM卡不同的是SIM卡只要我有一張實體的SIM卡我買新手機我直接把SIM卡拔下來放到新的手機裡面就可以換了不用任何成本所以我想問的是在一定的規模裡面eSIM一直收300元到底合不合理 |
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或是我們NCC了解說現在系統業者去轉換300元這一個價格是剛好符合成本還是其實有多收還是業者賠本在做 |
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說明一下是 那我們會我們已經持續跟業者來溝通我們希望說能夠適當的反映成本那當然陳主剛剛在我提到所以現在先讓我了解一下我們有沒有去理解現在300元到底是業者是賠本做可能也許成本要600他收300是賠本300啊還是說他成本只要150他收300是賺150 |
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他的成本其實包括付給GSMA這個平台這個醫診平台的費用所以主委因為你是主管機關你有公權力我們民意代表我們也是聽民眾的澄清跟反應那我們也沒有辦法理解到底是300元是高低還是剛好這個成本就像之前有一個750元之亂 |
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人家也會覺得是說你要收取審查費啊可是你一視同仁全都收750那有人只是譬如說我只是買網購一個300塊的無線滑鼠我要付750的設定費審查費跟我網購一個3萬塊的這個無線通訊軟體無線通訊設備要收750的審查費那就不合理也因此才會有那時候的750之亂嘛 |
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是 簡單跟詹委員回報就是因為所謂的異性的量越來越多我們也跟業者溝通結果是認為說所以他的量提升他成本分攤的可以下降這個我相信未來是有機會300塊會往下調對 所以量要多大300塊往下調 |
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他們都是實體卡跟依信的部分它到達一定的業者告訴我們說隨著量的提升它成本一定攤銷上一定會下降的我們有跟業者溝通希望近期能夠反映出來主委 是說實在話商務模式如果說你都是聽業者講我們沒有自己去稍微算一下的話業者100年都會跟你講說他永遠是虧錢 |
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是的一百年他都跟你講是說他現在是所以本席現在才會提出來講是說是不是能夠請NCG去了解到底他現在是成本符不符合比例以及300元的一個設定合不合理能夠檢討要檢討而不是都聽業者講 |
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是的 我们找过业者我们会再请他提供资料我们再去请他提供他成本分析资料我们再跟大家来要求好 那是不是也可以提供给本席以及我们交通委员会的委员来做之后问证的参考 |
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好那監討的報告我會提給召委跟交通委員會好不涉及商務機密的部分提供那並且讓我們知道也請NCC還是要妥善因為既然一信是一個未來趨勢我們也希望是說節能減淡或說把實體的訊卡如果說未來的趨勢是這個樣子那該應該要超前部署要超前部署好嗎好沒問題謝謝好謝謝召委好謝謝 |