| IVOD_ID |
164656 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164656 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-23T10:16:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-23T10:23:18+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:07 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1f1f5c91750503d364700a6055551ab1cbd78a287304ef9f61e6bfef52f5c09316d77fa562bcf7fe5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴瑞隆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:16:11 - 10:23:18 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長及財政部關務署首長就「非洲豬瘟防檢疫後續防疫精進作為」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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稍微請陳部長我們再請陳部長部長我先請教一下這個非洲豬瘟的部分現在看來應該是只剩程序應該99.9%是非洲豬瘟應該是這樣吧 |
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對 以我們現在對於核酸的片段的確認跟序列的確認它應該就是 但是應該通報的程序裡面只剩下程序把它走完而已對 還要做分類了以後的程序走完以後我們就會那個正式通報為非洲豬瘟 是對 好 那再來我請教一下這個非洲豬瘟的病毒株跟越南是一樣的嗎 |
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我根據我們的檢測的結果它的序列裡面它是一個重組的序列然後比較接近於越南我請我們的獸醫所的所長來說明沒關係 就是應該是可能性很高啦對不對不是 因為我們用非核株的病毒序列非常長那我們目前只訂了其中的三段 |
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那他要知道病毒從哪裡來或是不是從祖豬要其他的部分完整的分析那我們今天會有初步的結果會知道他是從水部長跟越南的很類似嘛對不對目前沒有其實多數還是跟第二基因型就是中國或者是在那個東南亞流行豬所以其中一小段比較像越南豬而已 |
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OK好所以中國跟越南是都有可能的對好那再來我請教一下部長我們現在是禁運5天啊但這個時間上面剛剛很多人也提到了會再延長嗎不是我們不是說延長我想我們的整個的一個禁運期間是根據我們的可能的潛伏期就是15天 |
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但是我們用5天來做觀察所以禁疫15天那5天5天觀察如果狀況控制下來就可以縮短而且是可以限制在某個區域的話那我們就會開始就是做這些解禁的動作就是15天所以以15天 |
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好 那再要請一下部長這個來源到底是從哪邊來的是從境外 就是由那個進來還是到底這個來源是從哪裡來的我想我們現在看到的是一個結果那我們才會啟動疫調那我剛才說的這個來源本身因為非洲豬瘟的傳播 |
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他有非常多的多的方向包括人員可能出國進來帶進來的也有可能廚餘那也有可能從走私有些東西其他的東西然後進到那個生物房子做得不好由其他的人員有沒有參觀的人員來污染的所以這三樣都有可能就對了所以在疫調沒有完整呈現之前我們不能揣測說他的來源一定是哪一個所以這三樣都不排除啦 |
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那最有可能是哪一個 目前不過現在因為疫調還在進行 我們沒有辦法判斷因為特別是人員的部分那我請教一下 那因為在15天的一個狀況的話從10月10號如果發病的話那應該是最早是在9月底囉是不是回推的話最快的 |
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15天前啊15天前的話那就9月底10月10號發生了第一個嘛所以9月底就發生了嘛所以等於9月底後會全面去清查對我們從10月往前回溯往前回溯15天往後控制15天這樣好那我請教一下為什麼到了10月14號才去訪視然後甚至於場主還拒絕訪視這有沒有問題 |
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不過我想我們報告所呈現的那個時序的部分都是在第一時間去問台東市的動保處的人員的一個回應那我剛才說了這個回應只是單方面的回應那到底我們要做疫調嗎部長那這個你認為初步來看有沒有檢討改進的空間 |
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這個我想以這樣的作為來看絕對有一我們有必須有精進的部分啊有必須有更精進的一個作為就如果可以在第一時間能夠去掌握到的話甚至第一時間去做比如說10月14能夠直接做一個相關的一個檢查的話檢測的話那有可能在那個時間點就找出來 |
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對 當然當你發現異常越快檢測它的擴散就也不會那麼容易所以無論如何應該10月14那一批應該是要來檢測才對是吧對 以我們現在看到畫質上異常的現象的話它從10月1號到10月總共有5批啦 有5批異常那其實我們都有監控後端的畫質的嘛畫質的數量那這5批的異常如果能夠更早的話我相信能夠更快的能夠 |
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所以有檢討改進的空間有精進的空間對那因為動物傳染病防治條第9條第13條其實他不得拒絕嘛這你說案主是不得拒絕的是吧那如果你拒絕依照45條你是有罰則的那為什麼這會開罰嗎 |
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不過我想就是因為地方政府在看的時候他會看當場的現象如果地方政府的動保人員他覺得應該要去實際的去檢查的時候那個事主就不能拒絕所以沒有要求 |
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所以沒有這個就是要疫調我們才能夠知道所以我希望未來在這件事情上面要加強在這一塊的整個制度上的建立啦就是說類似像這樣狀況如果10月14有強力的要求一定要做那個的話你不做的話我依照川明的防治我可以開罰的 |
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那當時如果做的話也許我們就多出更多的時間我們可能多出至少六天的時間來做一些因應所以我希望這一些未來讓他如果整個檢討裡面應該要去做檢討我們一定的我們在疫調的過程中一定發現說可能有很多地方必須精進一定會來做那我問了一下目前有沒有蔓延出去 |
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有沒有蔓延出去 整個病毒狀況有沒有蔓延出去 有沒有控制住蔓延 OK 我想我們現在看到的就是觀念場附近的觀念場都沒有異常其他的周邊是沒有異常的對 就是觀念場三公里之內所以都是在這個暗場內對 大概暗場內 暗場內的也都鋪砂了對 已經鋪砂了 所以我們現在先鎖定台中區是一個主要的疫調的作為因為它的觀念場都在台中跑 |
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所以只要在這接近的這15天的時間如果周邊沒有再發生任何狀況有可能第一步就先控制下來然後我們也全國性的因為這15天我們也會做全國性的一個調查嘛那看看有沒有可能就是說其他地方如果沒有症狀的話我想那就是很明確的鎖到這個案例這樣子 |
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那部長我請教那像這樣的事情的發生對我們的豬肉對我們整個經濟的產值會有什麼樣的影響我想喔在禁運禁載的期間一定會有一些階段性的影響那我剛才說的這些豬肉衝擊會有多大那我們盡可能的就是將我們的冷凍的冷凍的庫存釋出給薛東央我說的是整體未來我們的產業如果沒有守住這一關的話整個衝擊會有多大如果完全沒守住的話遇到前一以上的損失嘛 |
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我們光租的產業就800多億然後冠延產業的話超過1000億我希望政府努力啦 中央地方合作最後我問一下台中農業局說該做的都已經做了部長同意這樣的說法嗎我不知道他說這句話他做了什麼東西我沒辦法評斷但是我想我們在疫調一定會呈現出完整的從現在這樣真相揭露我認為應該還有很大努力的空間一定是有我們必須改進的空間我希望中央地方合作來改善我們一定這樣做 |
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好 謝謝 |