| IVOD_ID |
16462 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16462 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2025010909 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-09T13:30:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-09T16:16:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:45:42 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2025-01-09T14:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院黨團協商（事由：研商有關行政院針對本院三讀通過修正「憲法訴訟法第四條、第三十條及第九十五條」，移請本院覆議案相關事宜。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:30:18 - 16:16:00 |
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喔 壯士帶來了 就你一個 哈哈哈哈 坐坐坐 還有兩位呢黃總召還沒到 黃總召 |
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好幹事人來請坐請坐請坐 |
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慢慢來 慢慢來柯文聰慢慢來慢慢來 等你做定我們再開始慢慢來 不急來 柯文聰來柯文聰請坐請坐 我們開始開會 來 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝各黨團的幹部都已經到了我們現在就開始進行 |
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先處理一下吧,在直播著要這樣嗎?我沒有什麼意見謝謝各位新聞記者,謝謝大家,謝謝市長院長未睡便院長殺手,走出去 |
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我是院長二歲沒有錯,我是林委員總召院長各位委員同仁,今天好不容易因為近半年來小受傷第一次站在備訓台上,上面來執行本身在這裡主要談幾個問題,最主要談程序問題 |
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那我為什麼要談程序問題呢我們沒有程序正義就沒有實質正義這個絕對的老同就在這個會議室 |
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檢罷法加一在這個非日舉行在這個非日舉行的時候,國民黨把這門關起來,外面門關起來,然後在這裡開會沒有民進黨參加,那雖然程式上好像合法,程式上看起來合法但是事實上是一個非法,為什麼呢? |
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因為沒有讓民進黨參加,而且你們用強制的手段讓我們不能進來用強制的手段讓我們不能進來,然後就送出委員會,然後就出委員會出委員會以後,當然後來我們說我發言給你,說我們有意見他說有意見你再協商,那後來協商的時候大家不歡迎我和善 |
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那我們同時在任康以前也詢問給你,說這個有問題然後也詢問給醫事處,也給內政委員會內政委員會有五六四要等,五六個林貴卿是上到 |
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內政委會,給內政委會招委,說這程序有問題,假如這程序可以的話那以後我們業會你就把民進黨,關起來不讓民進黨來就好,法案就三無通過嘛又好像棒球比賽,第二名的把第一名綁架起來,他就比賽他就第一名了,院長這個可以嗎?全世界就,絕對說不通的啦,絕對說不通的,分析不要講話 |
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你可以用表情表示憤怒,但是不要講話,好不好這哪一通,一來就可以關門了,這是第一點所以我向你抗議,我連日行了很多文言給你向你抗議,所以我說這有理,你說沒有關係 |
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或者說你就習近平回來,我們就把你排上這個就在蔡偉強的時候,未來蔡偉強排在第一岸,那你講你說你決定接受結果呢,沒有排沒有排,這次習近平就不見了完整那時候他覺得他的審查報告已經出去了他就尊爍,尊爍尊爍沒關係然後 |
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1月2號、1月3號、1月4號我一直新聞給你包括這個問題有關於這種 |
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那種程序不正義這個問題 大家好好談一下至少我要結論今天我們那個周恩來怎麼沒有來周秘書長坐在那裡周秘書長這個可以嗎你的書寫不可以 結果你作為是可以我要問我們的藝術處處長高百強這樣可不可以問說這個 |
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這兩個委員會的主意這樣可以嗎?我相信我相信經常一定會展開調查的我講公務人員法嘛彈劾以後我看退休金也會不見了而且還會有薪責我講公務人員法這個是很嚴肅的事情我在這裡言明在先 |
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那我不希望就是說韓院長你好不容易當院長以後我們對你很大期待我們希望就是說就建立一個新的國會在你2月1號到3月的時候你跑到議長後面因為當天是我主持嘛我們兩個在院長室裡面聊了很多我有寫一篇臉書我還跟你講說羅宇雄啊 |
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現在大家要看人家的腦氣,像你的臨床術學不成,我們要這樣去看,比較正經的這是恢復之言啦,我相信你也聽到了,我有寫在臨床上面那在越南31年來,剛才我進來的時候,沒去訪問我,說你還要罵名韓國瑜嗎? |
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我是當然罷免啦,民事不可違也要罷免啦,沒什麼麻煩罷免,這代表一個立場問題這是民主基金黨的價值和立場我要說台灣民主能夠往前走很可貴是什麼,很可貴就是說1993年我到立法院以後到2016年總共22年的時間 |
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我在立法院呈交所有的表決不管委員會 程序委員會 藍綠議員會 僑會一般敗不可以贏到現在為止 很多人說柯總統你引導了民進黨一點用處都沒有表決在立法院表決不可以贏 |
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這個阿摩事實我們就知道我們51席沒有過半當然一定會輸的嘛但是輸的時候要贏得什麼贏得弄數 贏得民心這是很重要的一個原則所以在22年來在立法院裡面我們從來沒有贏過但是我們堅持一個民主的程序堅持民主要往前走少數一定服從多數 |
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包括蘇的耍,包括上禮拜前幾天我們為了朝夕協商包括副委員總召、黃文維委員以及林世民委員包括民眾黨我們都在為了建立立環的文化我希望不要再有過去那種的 |
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沒有人敢做的事情,馬丁凡站你起來,然後點名表決,然後衝突把你丟下來,這都是危險的事情,這一定要結機,不應該再有了。過去,那次院長從劉昌一講,大家都有協商的,吳院長曾經為一個法案協商22次,但一個法案, |
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就刑法的扣納 扣納摸索 私民安全法也曾經為了一個法案 刑上二三次都有在場的 失業的管理法 有關永遠自由化的問題這是立法案 所有人都一直成長大家和學生都辯論了不是只有表決而已只有表決而已的話 再加以暗表依據小學生都會所以 |
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從劉昌憶院長到王院長,王院長當然他是最徹底來進行的院長是喬爾丁萊葉環組織法第三條寫很清楚,院長必須行政忠義院長不能有黨職 |
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所以韓院長你不可能是中常委吧但是你可以助選你不可能黨職就好了你不可能兼黨主席也不可能中常委這是院長唯一的條件所以助選是可以但是你是國民黨黨員當然所有的作為協商你會比較傾向幫助國民黨這有如何後悔但是那個線要踩得很死 |
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不行就不行所以今天我在這裡講就是說後來包括蘇嘉嫻院長包括游區副院長至少會把這程序走完有西洋結論才有大家簽名就是說要幾個發言哪幾條條文密西表決要幾個人發言這樣才如果有效率 |
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至於沒有詳情結論,當然也要說沒有詳情結論要簽一個,那就要依次程序處理什麼叫依次程序處理呢?就是沒有詳情結論的話,那每一個人大於討論都可以發言每一個人主條的討論都可以發言換言之就是說,我們假如沒有詳情結論的話,那警察人士條例大於討論,民進黨五十一個都可以發言 |
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每一個條文我們可以講五十一個都可以講過去X法的時候當初X法當然我們表決都會輸但是呢,馬英九說可以全案表決,不可以除掉表決我反對 |
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我說既然可以主張表決,為什麼不能主張表決呢所以我告訴王金平院長以及林義士政客執行長我說這個很簡單一個表決各自表述我們主張表決,你們主張表決所以一個表決各自表述一中就可以各表為什麼一個表決不能各自表述這是很重要的道理 |
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然後今天我們期待中產生一個新的院長看我過去三十年來這個地方的期待發生很大的落差市民都是非常感傷的就說怎麼國會走到這裡來為什麼何以置之為什麼兩世的中央表演都會這樣反正打架,再打下去會出人命的 |
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所以那天我一直在兩個禮拜以內在議場方面包括跟副委員長 包括跟國防委等等所有人講說我們醫療都不要受打我們醫療都不要做專業主義台 |
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我會重塑御友園過去的文化打結束就算了,該實現就實現該實現就實現就是這樣,還沒好,這是引言而已後面有很重大的題目我只是覺得今天稍微想大家好好講一下所以今天 |
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因為我要跟你講,你在討反自己說這可能你最後一次指揮朝廷的人,我不敢這樣講啦。反正我總是罵你說你是歷史罪人,你也說歷史罪人來了,我說沒有,你也可以變成歷史為人。 |
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這個台灣自己這種幽默就是一個政治人物很重要最高超的境界台灣自己薄金以燦我非常了解你的心情,而且你的修養這一點我是肯定的我今天講了這麼多就是說我為什麼敢講這些話呢? |
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因為大家知道,我想周恩藍秘書長也知道,1999年1月的時候,國會無法公布了什麼叫國會無法?就是立委員組織法、立委員各委員組織法、政幫直接行事法、議事規則以及立委員行為法 |
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所以才有國會的無法,國會無法就有國會圖書館等等那為什麼要有國會無法?因為1993年我們進來的時候,院長我們那時候進來的時候你當然不會忘記有個場景每次樓上院院長主席宴會的時候公共竊盡一失誤,從開始就晨曦花園大家全部上台排隊 |
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登記排得很長每一個人都排隊那時候民進黨都排隊去程序發言有時候台商一直講說各位偉大政治家程序沒有問題啊請不要程序不要亂發言 |
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他的國語是台南國語,請陳水扁隨便發言,那種場景大家都走過,所以後來朝野鄉才轉成一個就是說,大家也要發言 |
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可是從一個國事論壇,才有國事論壇來演那時候因為沒有國會無法,越南的開會和民間團體開會一樣為什麼?一個人可以擋住全部,一個人就可以擋住整個議會所以以前江炳坤副院長說,他是東大博士 |
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他以前一直跟我講說這個東西啊 利息消息都有問題大家都感覺立法牛步化 為什麼立法牛步化因為開始的時候一個人 經營大於討論的時候一個人可以擋住節目 他說清點人數一清點人數的時候 人已經不夠 就散會了那時候 那天在某些採訪的時候 |
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能不能不在能不过 |
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那你就停下來這個我都知道停下來然後能夠說說民進黨少四個說因為民進黨少四個所以不能說我們會贏不可能贏的因為主席是你你一定會等到暫停等到國民黨都叫回來再表決所以這個遊戲大家都知道所以發生新年新年是以後一個人黨中整個議會 |
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後來才有直接申訴法,國會委員會直接申訴法直接申訴法就是說有超過28條,超過行政專章因為學生以後就有範圍人數要多少那有個結論,這樣才能夠把整個意識往前推 |
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也可以說你黨兵去朝野鄉簽下了我不是黨兵的話我可以連署16個人買火車票同意再來他們有7個人被人死了三黨黨兵講好就好就不可抵抗 |
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假如不是黨編的委員,他也可以說不行,在年九十六個中來所以另外一個執行法是大家設計的非常清楚而且一九九三年的時候,一月的時候這個執行法一直沒有改,只有小吳的修正 |
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那今天我要談的就是說,我們在直接審查包括第33條,包括我也,等我來立完做國情報告,當初寫的坦白講都有違憲之疑,待會再說明給你聽。那今天我要談的就是說,要把程序性的問題先講好,其實今天關鍵是什麼?這個關鍵就是說,國民黨排了富裕案,明天就要表決。 |
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那我跟你講說其實大家可以好好談哪一天要因為這個反應程序最後一天一定是16號嘛我們不可能違憲到16號還不讓他處理那把它破壞掉違憲變成我們要背我們不可能幹這種事情變成你民進黨以後抬不起頭來你們就會違憲嘛是不是這樣所以一定會如期不管怎麼樣16號一定要完成 |
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這個我剛剛還去抓我們不可能一奔到去違憲然後永遠民黨永遠被攻擊那往回我在議員31年來我一直遵守法律遵守憲法 |
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所以這個也有很重要的觀念我問分區委員其實大家可以我聽他早上四點半打電話給我他說今天要怎麼處理下雨我說讓我們老兄弟講的都直白話大家好好談一定什麼事情都沒有包括我剛剛講的包括會議案也是一樣一定是如期完成但是我們今天要談的是有五個事情一定要談 |
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我說這個五個事情一定可以談不是不可以談第一個比較重要這個玩意什麼時候結什麼時候要休會韓院長和江副院長一定要到美國去還有我們一堆人要去美國而且是總統指派的 |
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那我們一定要到10天後一定要結束,這大家要思考只要說美國只有韓院長去,其他人江委員不去,其他人不去的話21號也可以這大家來講都沒有,這都會講的所以這時間最重要第二個,復議案,復議案一定會如期處理 |
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一定保證如期處理甚至可以提前一兩天才處理總運算要不要處理?前瞻運算要不要處理?台電的這一家運算一千億要不要處理?這都是民生的嘛是不是這樣另外最後一個我說會員選辦法加一要不要處理? |
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要處理我們都提早簽給你們提早表決沒有關係反正這個以後要實踐再去實踐嘛我說不要說請幫我加一加二都可以加三都可以所以我們講你這五個問題我們當然好好想好好協商好合而共那簽名節約專訴 |
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尤其在一百二十幾年的党鞭,我從來用口頭承諾就算數了訪問簽名我從來沒有簽名就發掉的紀錄你去問過去的訪問院長,我從來沒有說蔡英雄簽名以後就跑去把他發掉 |
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實在這樣常常搞這一套,黃國昌常常搞這一套,法廷,國安黨也常常搞這一套我連口頭表述都是酸素的,也不必錄音所以今天我在這個地方很誠懇的講說,為什麼我今天要好好做程序化 |
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縱使整個立法院是大家的立法院,是人民的立法院不是韓院長一個人的武林,也不是國民黨一個人的武林,也不是誰黃國昌一個人的武林現在整個國民黨我們都很清楚,他除了沒有這幾個 |
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民眾黨根本不可能執政嘛柯文哲一審只要判十年以上連選罷法他都不能參選了不想選什麼都不能選國民黨他擺明很清楚嘛大法官事件釋出來他也不承認所有違反亂紀他都認為應該的全部講謊話農民這些應該是人民的期待 |
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難道你認為台灣的老百姓不是白癡嗎?看不懂立法院在做什麼現在整個國家大家都擔心連百民共產黨的百民也不可能執政也不想執政啊那當然為什麼?因為這國家教育了中國嘛就是大家很清楚所以現在是一個國家深入存活的關鍵就在這幾天 |
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這老百姓都看得懂所以老百姓看得懂當然我這兩天講過一句話嘛會有罷免,選舉有選舉就有罷免嘛我們戴季武漢天天被國民黨勞令凌遲,因為黃國昌凌遲因為黃國昌亂罵,弄人起來,還陪笑臉為什麼?我們總希望這個很重要的這個很重要的所以說 |
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沒有關係不要吵等一下你可以講我打補了時間我還要坐在這裡所以我今天要講的就是說我們感觸非常深刻當然我們想罷免但是民眾聲音更大民意已經起來了 |
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我昨天和今天都講,美書上都寫過,包括胡適雅委員也講過,罷免不是一個人可以主導,不是我柯建民可以主導,也不是一個黨可以主導的。同時,罷免也不是一個黨可以主導的。 |
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沒有一個人可以出黨也沒有一個人可以出黨因為都在民意都在民意讓民意來解決所以希望就是說在歲末立法院快要結束的時候我們也在這裡一年了應該大家做一個冷靜的總檢討那未來立法院又何去而從我希望今天整個曹雷祥院長你不要為了節省時間我們提了這麼多要請你協商的 |
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包括總預算等等,包括今天這個請問也可以不談,有關要罷免你的問題也可以不談。但是至少要談一談,對於違法公務員後續他們難道不會怕嗎?以後還可以這樣嗎?這個東西還是實際的,是不是這樣?那為什麼我們連連提了? |
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從去年12月提到去年1月2號3號4號我們所提的要求你協商拜託你協商了全部不見今天只有一個題目就是護理案我跟護理員講過一句話假如你今天什麼都不談等一下一風而散排這個會議室就相當的惡意我為什麼要站在這裡 |
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因為每一黨只有一個麥克風嘛那你沒有辦法壓下一個講話嘛所以我故意再處理一台再換一台講話假如是這樣的惡意的話待會我們的人還是會在誠意上面包括誠意問題上面做發言請韓院長你要包容這是我們一定要談清楚我跟副理講一句話小虎你今天沒有跟我們好好談 |
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你副議案走得下去的話你自己試看看,明天你走得下去嗎?以後的副議案你走得下去嗎?我說我不是 |
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我是在講實話,我是在講實話,因為大家不講好當然我們衝突底下,慈平,蘇曉潤藝術者不打,反而壞事情我不是在威脅黃毓民委員,你聽起來有點刺耳,但是你要聽我的內容大家好好講,一定沒問題,大家要揮揮手,大家都想揮揮手 |
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會發展到什麼地方去?沒有一個人可以預料的謝謝柯總召的程序發言特別報告程序發言了32分鐘扣掉前面的走路大概 |
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你一個程序發言大概已經25分鐘了好不好,我想以您表達非常,我們還是希望最資深的柯建民委員都是一言九鼎一言九鼎,講話對我們來講說,對對,我還是希望你你最資深的委員希望你一言九鼎,可是如果因為我們今天這個案子齁,是討論憲法輸送法,如果 |
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偏離題目太多慢慢變成九言一鼎那就不好了總的來說我是良心的建議好不好我還是只要你講話我們都是尊重的因為立法院最資深就是你全立法院最資深就是柯建民委員全台灣最會開會就是我們周恩來秘書長大家都是公認的我們希望你講話還是一樣一言九鼎 |
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好不好 謝謝那各位黨編我們今天談憲法訴訟法上次已經有非常透徹的討論但是民進黨團又提出希望再度協商所以召集各位黨團幹部來坐在這裡我們來繼續來進行憲法訴訟法復議案那請那個萊文的民進黨團請表達意見好嗎好 蔡 蔡署長請 |
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國民黨團請準備好 謝謝院長院長一度要說我們柯總召會一言九鼎我想在這個前提之下柯總召講得很清楚他認為說我們大概立法院我們在處理復議案當然是要有復議案的一個程序的一個進行 |
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那這個程序很重要的就是說他必須要有一個全院委員會那全院委員會要邀請行政院長列席然後我們應該要分頭去報告那這個報告是各個政黨對於復議案的內容那這一次就是我們憲法訴訟法大家會有針對這個條文會有意見那這個條文你怎麼可以說這個條文跟行政院沒有關係不是這樣的 |
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因為憲法訴訟法涉及到的就是我們要申請釋憲我們要去申請這個憲法法庭針對我們認為有違憲的事宜我們有要提出釋憲的一個權利那這個權利本身行政院也是一個很重要的一個機關所以這個機關跟他有關那尤其這個憲法訴訟法涉及到的又不只是機關 |
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他更重要的是人民要申請釋憲每一個人他的司法救濟的最終救濟權就是要靠憲法法庭那這個憲法訴訟法未來他這樣一旦讓他上路讓他生效之後他必須要有十個大法官才能召開要有九個大法官才能申請違憲這件事情對於人民的司法的救濟權影響太大 |
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所以行政院秉持著這個理由他提出復議當然行政院長基於他憲法的職權基於他對於人民有這樣的司法救濟權不應該被法律被立法權把司法救濟權把他 |
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把他傷害把他侵害所以基於這樣的理由行政院長當然要來立法院報告啊那我們過去在上一次協商的時候我有跟院長報告過在過去唯一有一次沒有邀請行政院長來立法院報告那就是在2013年會計法99之一 |
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會計法99之一當年是因為立法過程可能在立法的一個瑕疵結果少了一個字一個教 教師的教少了這一個字咧讓當時的大學教授他們因為研究案然後在做這個財務的一個會計的申報的時候有瑕疵然後會被網羅入罪當年也包括柯文哲柯文哲在還在台大醫院服務的時候他也包括他也有陷入這樣的狀況 |
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那但是那一次的會計法修法結果就把那個叫這個字遺漏掉了那遺漏掉了當然就會有很多人會受到影響啊所以當時馬英九總統他也對外表達歉意然後行政院用最快的速度提出復議那立法院也在朝野有充分共識之下那就沒有再邀請行政院長來 |
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來立法院來報告那就直接就直接就處理復一案了所以那是那個時空背景但是那個時空背景至少有一個很大的原則就是朝野對於這個復一案有共識 |
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那很明顯的我們現在民進黨我們對於這個限訴法的復議案我們的立場看起來跟國民黨跟民眾黨立場不一樣所以朝野沒有共識那既然朝野沒有共識的話我覺得院長你還是要履行整個程序的一個完備程序的完整然後讓行政院院長可以來立法院報告 |
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然後讓我們每個人透過跟行政院長我們透過質詢的內容把我們認為我們對於會計法這一次復議案以及會計法上路後會對人民的這個訴訟權的傷害我們總是能通過這樣的一個這個詢答的過程再次表達我們的立場那這個詢答的人數我想我們可以朝野協商可以溝通 |
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大家在溝通說好我們為了要卡在15天內一定要處理復議案那如果卡在15天內的話最後一天大概是1月16號所以我想我們可以在下個禮拜我們可以召開全院委員會我們也可以再用加開院會的方式然後我們來排這樣的一個把議程把它完備然後讓我們每個人都可以充分發言那如果院長覺得會不會程序上又被發言去卡住了那我們剛剛柯總召也說啊 |
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他說他用他的人格保證他一定會讓整個復議案會讓他處理所以我們可以控制發言的人數就像我們之前在處理幾個法案的時候上禮拜五我們在處理法案的時候不管是551或者甚至條文的時候只剩下111但是那都是在朝野共識之下怎樣把時間控制在當天內可以處理法案 |
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可以完整可以處理法案所以我覺得院長我們如果在秉持著這樣的一個精神那大家同意之下下個禮拜讓行政院長來列席讓我們可以質詢然後再用最快的時間安排最後復議案的表決那 |
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就像我們總召說的如果表決民進黨還是輸了那我們自己再尋求之後的救濟途徑那就變我們自己黨團的後續的決策但是至少立法院我們展現的就是說我們對於程序應該怎麼走這件事情是有堅持的那過去有太多的復議案的前例在前面那唯一一個沒有邀請 |
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行政院長還報告的就是只有那一個狀況那一個狀況是朝野有共識朝野對於復議案的內容有共識那我們今天是沒有共識的好不好 院長我們再當還是希望可以照程序來進行謝謝蔡書記長發言請國民黨團發言台灣民眾黨請準備好 謝謝院長首先我要對蔡宇宜書記長針對說要不要邀請行政院長來這一點那我想剛才柯總早講很清楚 |
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程序正义我们一定要遵守今天为什么我们不邀请我们认为不用邀请行政院长来这完全依照我们立法院职权行使法第33条的规定这是依法有据的那我们认为行政院长他今天也表达在该记者会表达非常清楚他的对整个复议案他的看法 |
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那在现在这个时期就现在我们的总预算很迫在眉睫要省的这个阶段是不是我们在复议案要花那么多的时间我想我们各党真的要慎重的思考如果说我们还在拖拖到最后一天16号然后21号我们就要这个休会了你再拖我们总预算真的省不完 |
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我想三档对于总预算赶快在这个会期就尽数把它就在休会前把它三度通过这也是全国民众因应期期盼的所以我们搞不清楚为什么民进党一直坚持要在16号这有什么意义呢我们真的搞不清楚所以我其实我是觉得说 |
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柯总召在上次院长我们在这个院会的后面那个小协商室的时候他就提到啊他说行政院长不用来报告他他没问题他有做这样的承诺所以今天又讲说行政院长该预讲一定要请行政院长来我想程序上是没有问题的那 |
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這個院長也已經記者會講那麼清楚了所以我覺得我們整個不要請來不要請他來絕對站得住腳啊這第一點第二點哦 |
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我想我們這個整個在復議的程序裡面就說如果要找那是不是我們希望就在明天盡速來處理明天盡速來處理那我們希望民進黨這個一言九鼎就讓整個復議案我們就依照相關的規定我們來做這個表決碼所以剛才聽到你們又恐慌說什麼不去試試看你們如果這樣做不去試試看 |
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这种恐吓的你一开始就讲说这个程序正义很重要实质正义很重要我们照程序走你又恐吓我们这个真的无息中我们在之前还是怎么样听到在资深的前辈一下子讲这样子一下子讲那样子前后都都不起来了所以我觉得说如果真的要让立法院往前走的话让意识能够和谐的话大家就 |
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柯總常常講叫不來啊就不要再佔主席台了嘛不要再破壞整個投票的程序了嘛大家叫不來嘛 |
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既然程序的规定那么清楚我们就请这个议事处安排整个投票的流程让我们尽速让复议案把它完成然后未来我们对于我们的总预算我们赶快的来把总预算省完因为我们剩下下个礼拜的时间而已我们还要二轮的这个这个二轮的协商我们党团的协商那我预计时程 |
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一定要在下个礼拜二以前把这个二轮的那个党团的提案处理完毕才会会诊然后开始我们就要一系列的挑灯夜山进行党团的协商啊这协商完毕我们最多只能剩几天可以表决只有下下礼拜一跟二这整个时程非常的紧凑 |
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所以你要到16號16號才處理附議案那我們總計算怎麼審得完所以我們建議就是明天明天就來處理以上謝謝院長謝謝林市民署長表達的意見接下來請台灣民眾黨團請吳春城幹事長請表達意見好吳春城那個幹事長請發言 |
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剛才我們柯總召講到要重塑國會的文化不要打架 |
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昨天我也陪韓院長接待日本的台橋的聯合會總會很多人都在反應 其實他們講其實也給院長有一點不太有面子因為他們說他們真的是在海外看他們都很熱愛台灣但是真的會覺得每天看到國會 |
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在打架 真的讓他們在國外感到很丟臉我們的國家 我們的祖國怎麼是這樣子所以非常呼應剛才柯總召所提的的確是應該重塑我們的國外文化就是大家能夠和諧像撞促法在通過的時候 |
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三檔那個畫面如果能跟我回應都是說三檔大合影然後大家一起喔看到了真是很感動的說很久沒看到很久沒看到這樣啦但現在是這樣子啦現在是這樣子啦就是說對啦現在就是說我們現在喔 |
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不要這樣一直吵啦就是說立法院然後憲法的訴訟案訴訟的這裡 |
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其實這個我們都很用心去研究是用比較國際各國的比較憲法其實現在這個版本提出來的其實是符合國際的這個我們花了很多心思才開研討會事實上是沒有不是一個擴權的一個法案 |
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是一個大家因為憲法都是何等的要慎重我們現在的憲法法庭真的是也沒有獲得人民的信任那成為一個政治鬥爭的一個 |
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一個舞台的確是這個的確要檢討了的確是這樣子所以我們本黨這個回應的一個就是覺得行政院不該提出復議 |
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那既然提出復議我們就是依照這個立法院的行持職權議事規則來處理基本上是認為那個行政院不要越處代跑不要把司法院變成司法科司法局不能就行政院擴權那比立法院擴權還厲害的什麼事情立法院通過了都不執行這個非國家之福這個是民眾黨的基本立場 |
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謝謝吳村城幹事長的發言接下來吳世堯幹事長請發言公民黨團請準備 |
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謝謝院長首先就今天的協商主題只排一案就是限訴法覆議案的處理日程黨團還是覺得非常的好奇為什麼只排這一案事實上民進黨團行文給韓院長認為我們朝野協商要進行的議案很多 |
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包括呢這個前瞻基礎建設的預算包括台電追加減的預算包括公平會人事同意權的預算也包括民進黨團提案立法院政府院長改選的案子被程序委員會一再的阻擋這些案子等等呢都是在我們發文希望一定要透過朝野協商來進行但今天只排這一案我們覺得非常的這種選擇性排案實在有備常理哦 |
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那第二个呢回到今天的主题就限诉法的复议案的部分那本席这边还是要再说明一下就限诉法他影响的是所有的国人的权利宪法救济的权利他同时也当然影响着国家最高行政机关行政院的权益所以 |
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行政院基于对于限诉法他本身也是stakeholder他也必须为人民来寻求救济的手段所以行政院来提请这个复议案而且卓院长愿意负责任到立院来寻答让整个限诉法的复议案就是重新审视重新讨论再行重新议决这是整个复议案在宪法制度上的设计 |
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如果一个重新审视议案是不是至爱难行而不透过讨论直接表决这完全是颠覆推翻了复议案重新审视议案的宪政设计的原理那讲到过去的惯例刚私名委员一直说立职法的规范复议案不必然一定要求来询答 |
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我想史上唯一就立法院职权刑事法一九九九上路到现在几次的复议案的行使唯一的例外极端的例外而且是就会计法刚刚易宇委员已经说过了而大家不要忘记 |
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会计法之所以没有进行询答就进行复义案的表决它有几个前提第一个它本身是单一条字单一文字的缺漏它的很单纯很简单不需要再讨论 |
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大家都理解第二该次2013会计法不进行询答直接处理复议案的投票也是经过行政立法两院的共识协商决议说这个案子行政院他觉得他也可以不用来询答立法院也同意 |
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而在立法院的内部各党团也有共识都说好那这个案子各党都不询答大家都OK所以他的前提除了是法案复议案的内容相对单纯第二他是在行政立法的共识下立院各党团的共识下做成不询答的决定除了那个极端例外的例子之外 |
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从2002年才化法的复议案有寻达15个人次2003年公投法的复议案有寻达23个朝野立委寻达2004年319枪击事件真相调查委员会的复议案 |
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有询答23个委员询答第四次是农会法渔会法在2007年的复议案朝野各推五位立委询答再来地政事法第五条之一的修正案的复议案2014年同样的朝野共推17位不同党派的委员经过协商上台询答 |
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再到上个会期的国会扩权法案也是在韩院长主持的朝野协商里头大家都认为这么重要的复议案涉及宪政层级的一定要透过询答所以朝野民进党11位国民党11位民众党两位总共24位上台询答所以从立法院职权行使法上路到现在总共有 |
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七次对不起六次的复议案都是经过完整的询答程序所以这才是惯例这才是常态请不要把会计法那个极端特殊的案例把它归类为这是复议案不询答就表决的合理化的常态的理由这完全说不通 |
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所以说我们看到卓永泰院长他愿意来询答我们看到在野党委员像刚刚几位委员都说的村长委员也提到限诉法真的有剥夺人民的权利吗有这么严重吗好大家询答的时候吴春成委员可以就您想探寻的问题跟卓院长直求对决 |
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國民黨的委員更是如此憲法訴訟法是你們提出來的版本你們要捍衛你們的版本你要認為你們的版本沒有違憲你們勇敢的站上質詢台一起來對話卓院長都願意來你們在害怕什麼 |
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這是第一個不要剝奪行政院長他擁有的憲政權利立法院沒有那麼大不是立法院叫你來你就來叫你不來你就不能來這是人家憲法機關的憲政權利第二個講到立法院內立法院有三個主要政黨民進黨是少數黨但我們也有51個席次 |
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民进党的委员针对复议案非常的慎重因为是重新审视reconsideration的过程我们想再跟行政院长来透过对话来针对宪法诉讼法是否有至爱难行之处是否有违宪之余来充分对话我们有我们的权利 |
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所以民進黨的委員也要求我們要那今天少數黨發聲的權利不應當被多數黨予以閹割跟剝奪如果你們不想尋答OK啊我們協商啊像上個會期排24個啊國民黨11個民進黨11個民進黨2個你們國民黨不想你們放棄你們尋答的權利那你排定你不來你不問就好了我們常常總質詢不都這樣嗎你改書面質詢也也可以啊 |
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民進黨委員我們想認真的對話我們不想能撈就撈能混就混不好意思我必須這樣講那為什麼要剝奪我們認真要尋答的權利呢如果你們放棄我們把協商的人次順序排好那我們要問啊時間還給我我的權利所以說時間上也是足夠的從今天開始到 |
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宪法赋予的复议案的15天议决的期限还有total5个4days5个全日当中有两个是院会的时间我们还可以把其他委员会的时间来调整议程把它改开全院委员会还有5个时间5天的4days在担心时间不够吗 |
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我不懂啊然後在野島委員現在說會延宕到總預算審查的期程就實在讓我覺得 |
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倒果為因耶總預算是誰當初我們8月30送來的時候擋了70天11月8號才讓他附委總預算是哪一個委員會現在還沒有排審完就在樓上司法法治委員會吳宗憲委員排的最後一個最末班是誰在延宕總預算啊 |
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我們一定會努力如期不管是照原定1月21號休會日完全總預算的期程這本來就是立法院各黨都應當善盡的我們的忠誠義務啊或者是院長要到美國去我們甚至加班再加班讓院會要提早 |
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結束也可以但是完全總預算我們都有信心啊你開會到12點我們奉陪啊開會到5點我們也奉陪啊我們要把該交的作業寫出來這才是立法院的工作不要拿總預算來阻擋復議案的詢答程序 |
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這是慣例這是常態這是憲政的原則這是行政院擁有的憲法權利也是立法院各個立委享有的問政的權利不要用多數黨 |
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的意志就来剥夺没收我们想要行使我们职权的权利所以报告院长时间是够的还有5个4days到距离1月16号复议案的最后一天 |
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表決書我們認了可是這當中的對話重新審視真理越辯越明這一定要進行所以思銘委員我們都是私自背的我們都是要重新思考透過思考才能夠來確認夫一案是不是合理對不對所以不要害怕直球對決謝謝謝謝思瑤思銘堂兄妹接下來我們請王浩衛委員發言民眾黨團請準備 |
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好謝謝主席我想先講一下就說有關於國會和諧的問題沒有人想要打架我們又不是神經病老講我都覺得我是氣質美女我也不想到這邊來潑婦罵戒也不想動手但是我們要想看誰是始作俑者我們這個從上個會期到現在 |
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每一次在兩黨都有霸佔主席台我承認兩黨都有霸佔主席台但是問題是霸佔主席台的目的完全不一樣啊不管是在委員會裡面或在院會裡面民進黨的霸佔主席台的目的是讓會開不成 |
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不管是在内政委员会或在院会里面就是让你的会议开不成所以我想请问一下这样是一个合理的国会吗这是一个符合民主程序的国会吗我想不管院长副院长或者我们秘书长或者所有议事人员也很感慨也很为难大家谁不想好好的坐在那里开会呢 |
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對 大家都是正常的嘛 大家都是正常人我們沒有想要打架而國民黨有沒有霸佔主席台 也有但是國民黨的霸佔主席台是為了讓會議能夠進行不得不 迫不得已 實在不得不為 |
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所以我要講就說國會和諧是大家的責任我同意然後我們現在國會紛紛擾擾那確實讓很多民眾會擔心我也同意但是我們必須把它釐清責任誰是始作俑者好這一點不要各打五十大板或者把責任推給在野黨錯 |
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我們是為了讓會議能夠召開這一點我們必須要很清楚的來說明接下來我們今天其實重點就是我們限訴法的附議案我們在上一次的協商雖然我們覺得其實這個協商已經經過院長的開會協調但是院長很尊重民進黨 |
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而國民黨跟民眾黨我們今天也都坐在這邊我們也很尊重民進黨再次提出所以我們也願意在這邊再做協商那包括剛才光是柯總召一個程序發言漏漏長將近30分鐘我們也非常的尊重就讓他發言 |
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所以我必須要講即便在我們的協商的過程裡面我們也表達了充分尊重那至於就是說我們現在就是處理復議的時間因為確實我們接下來只剩下四個院會那當然我們也可以去協商加開院會但是呢也不要這個忘記因為我們在復議案的過程裡面 |
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必須除了院會來處理這個表決案之外也要召開那個全院審查會那這樣的一個過程就是我們不然的話我們就是占有委員會的時間所以確實我們的時間已經非常非常的緊迫 |
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只有四个院会的时间那我们到目前为止我们现在中央政府总预算我们还没有进行协商因为我们协商也要花时间即便虽然我们都已经做好要甚至挑灯夜战马拉松式的协商但是我们也要考虑就如同刚才柯总统也讲到院长要去美国参加就职典礼 |
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那么江副院长当然我们情商啊为什么要让江副院长留下来因为柯总召已经对外说了说如果院长不在副院长也不在就由他来主持会议那我们听了以后呢会有一点害怕所以我们还是希望至少我们的江副院长来主持会议 |
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所以我們現在這個時間點來說的話只剩下四次院會也許要加開院會但是我們能不能處理中央政府總預算有時候我覺得很荒謬照理說比較著急總預算的應該是執政黨 |
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通過了其實是執政黨在這個行政部門在使用可是我覺得好奇怪我覺得這幾天給我的感覺是為什麼反而是執政黨不急著不急著來處理總預算反而急著要花很多的時間來處理復議案如果按照如果按照說由行政院長來報告 |
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然後11 11加224位那請問一下我們要花多少時間來做就是院長的報告跟院長的答詢等一下我剛剛沒有打斷你們待會就可以提出來嘛你們的版本啊對不對那今天其實院長報告這個平台老講現在是一個資訊網路極為發達的時代 |
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站在立法院的这个议事厅里面来报告跟他今天在行政院召开记者会报告他的诉求也都可以充分的让国人知道不是吗好当然刚才在讲说呃我那个吴思瑶干长说这叫做宪政权利什么叫宪政权利啊请问一下宪法里面有规定吗 |
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憲法裡有規定說立法院處理復議案必須要請行政院長來報告嗎憲法裡面沒有任何的明文規定啊沒有任何規定啊那請問憲政權力不是今天一人一黨 |
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說了算嗎或醫院說了算嗎他的憲政權利所有人民憲政權利不是用憲法保障就是法律上來保障好那剛才我們的書記長秦思明書記長也講得非常清楚依照立法院職權行使法33條也是德嘛 |
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也是德所以在最好的狀況之下如果今天我們的院會我們整個的立法院的議事程序是足夠充裕的話那當然我們就請院長來報告但是現在眼看的是極為極為的急促 |
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在中央政府总预算部分也可以跟大家报告因为我们也很着急所以我们在以我们国民党团来讲我们在下个礼拜一就停止收件然后我们希望充分配合因为恐怕这个院长在出国之前也要花很长的时间来做协商对不对我们也要给院长和各政党各提案的委员各委员会 |
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有充分的中央政府总预算说明跟讨论的时间嘛复议案这么重要也重要但是老实说复议案越来越成为家常便饭了嘛 |
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我們早就已經開了憲政的這個前例嘛現在我們已經是最短時間裡面行政院提出復議案啊短短在在幾個月七個月時間吧搞不好以後會更更更短喔兩三個月就來一次兩三個月就來一次 |
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这个都变成家常便饭了嘛我们预算一年省一次不重要吗所以为什么我们在极短的时间里面是不是可以留给中央政府总预算比较充裕的时间来做讨论你们一直在指责说我们司法法制委员会其他委员会都完成了 |
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對不對 那在這樣的狀況之下我們21號 21號我們表定時間 21號要休會那還要拖什麼呢好 那剛才也講 我非常我非常感謝我們剛才柯總召說 他說他發誓他說他發誓 反正我們都有直播啦我相信我沒有講錯 |
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他說啊一定要要完成這個憲政的程序不會違憲他說否則的話民進黨也要被罵會被罵死啊沒錯啊不只民進黨被罵我們都要被罵死啊怎麼可以怠惰成這樣好但是為什麼要16號才來完成呢為什麼我不懂啊這個 |
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很多人家在民間都可以加班對不對為什麼我們要等到16號16號完成醫事人員還要我們為什麼要讓醫事人員那麼過勞這樣我們是霸凌醫事人員 |
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因為他感知說不要到時候我們說我們完成了我們就回家睡大覺了意思人員要整理啊你當我們完成之後這個就生效了嗎 沒有啊所以我們不要霸凌意思人員嘛為什麼一定要16號才能完成我不懂欸我不懂這個期程到底是什麼意思呢要讓大家最後壓線嗎我們可以提早完成就提早完成 |
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所以在明天我們因為事實上我們把在星期二的時候我們幾乎把押箱的很多的法案都清倉了嘛好都也清倉的差不多好所以我們在明天星期五所以我為什麼提出星期五我們可以大家全力來處理這個復議案我們把復議案處理完成之後大家沒有後顧之憂了吧對不對 |
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那而且在一定要開審查會嘛一定要一定放心啦也會一定讓你們講話啦齁那麼這樣子明天我們把它做好我們下禮拜全新的來去處理這個預算案你們本來民進黨團也提出有關中央政府總預算的問題嘛對不對還前瞻台電反正一頭拉骨啦 |
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一一拖拉鼓所以我們要處理的真的非常非常多我們下禮拜我們騰出手來騰出時間好好的去處理中央政府總預算這不是然後即使是如此我們也要加班下禮拜我們也要加班我都已經決定我不要戴隱形眼鏡來了 |
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大家受不了了好所以在这样的状况之下所以我们还是觉得既然柯总召这么是大体是大局觉得说不会把他拖延为限那我们就星期五我们努力星期五把它完成下礼拜大家 |
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都可以好好處理政府總預算那我真的覺得就是說如果今天民進黨團的立場是我們不能違憲我們只要把這個相關的憲政的處理程序把它處理完那麼我們就把它處理完但是我覺得放到16號完成我不懂這個到底是什麼意思是要讓我們提心吊膽還是我們要去霸凌議事人員呢對不對 |
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好這個這個就拜託一下好對不起那個主席讓我再補充一下因為我我覺得一直都在講一些有的沒有的事情也就是限速法就是說啊這個限速法怎麼自愛難行怎麼自愛難行其實我們過去提過 |
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我们现在宪法法庭确实我们九成以上的案件是来自于受理民众的来提示宪案但是你知道吗事实上我们不受理的比例就是民众没错大部分九成是来申请但是根本不受理的高达九成五啊 |
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即便最近不是高鴻安的案子後來法官說不要審了暫時停止審理說要去提釋憲但是很多人都認為很可能他也不受理因為他每個月都是上百件財政就不受理不受理不受理所以你一直在那邊講對民眾的程序怎麼樣權益影響多大多大多大你去問一下那你為什麼要駁回九成五呢你根本沒有在受理嘛 |
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那所以我們這部分就是因為你們講我們必須要做一些回應嘛所以這點一定要再做一些回應所以在這邊呢還是請大家能夠去能夠大家支持啦就是我們在明天在我們法案裡都清倉差不多的狀況之下我們抓緊時間趕快把賦予案趕快完成 |
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那行政院長今天都報告啦 媒體都報 我都拜讀啦 對不對 我都很清楚啦 好不好那然後我們各黨團 還是可以去充分的發言這樣就好了 好不好 謝謝謝謝黃威偉 那台灣民眾黨還要再發言嗎李昆仁委員請準備 |
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剛剛施堯說林思敏是四字輩我發現林思敏很多交集他跟柯建銘也是明字輩的你們是明字輩的那我們兩個是成字輩所以事實上是很容易達成共識的 |
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我看了半天 我一直很認真在看我就是看不懂這個自然難行的理由當然可以請教 |
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第四條第三項裡面現在的修正條文說大法官就是如果未滿人數總統應該在兩個月內補足提名行政院自然難行的理由說這樣子只片面要求總統兩個月內來補提名 |
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違對與提名後立法院應與何時期限來行使同意權均未有規定 |
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就是我提名但是你們沒有什麼同意啊我這也未免太沒有信任感的這個就是叫政治責任嘛那你總統的一個責任就是不足你趕快給他提到足但現在的就是提出好人選然後你就向考試委員提出大家可接受的人選 |
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草野不是很快的就過關了嗎 都沒有問題嘛那也不要就說 所以就趕快大家解決問題提出了你的好人選這樣子馬上解決問題了 不要再用釋憲的方式來解決 |
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再來的話就是對於第30條這裡說現在參與評議的修正案裡面的大法官人數不能低於10人然後如果宣告違憲不可以低於9人行政院的一個 |
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說這個提高這個判決的門檻會造成少數意見主導憲法法庭 我這個也聽不懂提高門檻反而會變成少數那我要問 那個憲法法庭廢死的時候用一字決 |
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那一字決不是一個人就可以主導整個的憲法法庭每一個案子的理由都不一樣我覺得這個也很不合理而且現在來講現在我們這個參考像美國大法官九位他要釋憲的時候必須要六位就三分之二美國韓國大法官九位 |
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他要開會要七個人九個人要有七個人三分之二加一喔三分之二加一喔然後呢 南非也是三分之二加一喔所以我們現在呢 這樣子呢應該是符合國際大家常態的法規啦OK OK 好好好謝謝村長那個李昆仲委員請麻煩掌握一下時間對焦 謝謝 |
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為什麼我講的時候才叫我掌握時間他們講的時候都沒有說要掌握時間主席對不起主席主席對不起主席我要會議詢問主席其實我們大家都互相尊重可是我們過去也講就是說我們在協商的時候我們今天協商的氣氛其實是算非常好對不對但是我們本來就是都是山長發言 |
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對不對民進黨團三長都發言過了是不是那所以我現在你是要限制我發言嗎我還在會議許願中我還在會議許願中我剛就講說我們都已經都已經非常的大家都已經非常尊重這樣講有失氣質啊 |
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我有什麼失氣質我氣質就這樣然後我一直就說喔就說大家互相尊重你態度好喔我就睜一隻眼閉一隻眼啊 |
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态度不好那我们过去这个不是由你来评断谁的态度好谁的态度不好好不好那请问你现在有什么你现在有什么我为什么不能来发言院长可以让我发言我就发言了啊他们只有一个人为什么你要发言四个人你想吵架是不是我就一直希望说大家互相尊重不要吵架对不对不要吵架你吵骂安 |
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現在是實質問題不是誠信問題所以實質問題討論的時候大家可以發言 |
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沒有 所以尊重那個主席主席所以我意思說齁我們其實我們過去就有講就是說我們其實基本上是那個三長嘛 對不對那如果你不是三長我們真的我也可以叫一堆人我們就不停的冗長發言了嘛 是不是這樣子不好嘛 是不是好 所以我就覺得各黨團要有互相的尊重 |
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對我來講有超出時間很長的但是呢我覺得只要這個氣氛融洽這個態度不要太惡劣我們都願意尊重所以我講了嘛你態度好我就睜一隻眼閉一隻眼你態度不好我就只好提出來所以主席這個院長其實我尊重院長的才是但是不要讓人家覺得得了便宜還賣乖今天我們是三長嘛 |
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川產只有一個人來嘛是不是所以態度好一些尊重大家一些基本的尊重不會嗎你不要再講話我跟紅衛委員報告一下我也跟各位黨團幹部報告一下 |
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目前為止,今天開會到現在,他這個run是順暢的那柯總召,感覺上民進黨發言三個,但柯總召他很聰明他一開始用程序發言,所以他是用了一個很技巧等到柯總召發言完畢之後,我立刻請國民黨團開始詢現在吳思瑤跟蔡宜兩位都講完了國民黨團林思明跟洪維偉也講完了所以我特別請吳春城委員,他講了兩次 |
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兩次,這一點就是要跟大家報告,我們一定是照過去的慣例,讓三個黨團不管人多人少能夠平均公平發言,這一點一定要讓黨團能夠量度 |
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你不能再發,因為現在要李昆成委員發,我已經講了王宏偉提出會議詢問,所以讓王宏偉先會議詢問我一開始講說是程序問題或是前因問題前因問題是讓會議能夠開得下去 |
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那黃文威講的話我也聽得懂啦李紛呈也有他的道理他剛才吵起來也有道理吵起來也有道理啦我現在嚴閉稱讚黃文威嚴閉稱讚黃文威總可以吧但是我要講一個比較實際的問題我們現在講的不是只有實質的問題只有誠信的問題因為這個牽涉到整個 |
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憲政裡面的大問題我常常講說要當一個立法委員乃至於當官員都要有國務法及憲法上的常識我今天講的這是一個國家憲政體制上非常重要的問題同時我要談一個就是說實質問題的時候當然誰都可以講話純為成績問題就三掌來就過了我們以前都這樣講 |
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那還有一個就是說,我們大家翻一翻,所有的法令,八六、全書以及職業信訊法、義務規則等等,有沒有哪一條規定,花你的吃吃飯時間?沒有。這是民主的展示啦。但是我還是覺得大家氣氛好,慢慢講沒有關係。所以我一直很,講話的時候,我一直看, |
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我絕對不是,請我可以講話嗎?好,謝謝院長 |
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這個剛剛這個春辰兄我們陳志備的那剛剛對於這個限訴法有很多的意義很好有很多的意義就等這個行政院院長這個來這個立法院來跟這個不管是春辰兄或是說國民黨跟民進黨所有的委員講清楚嘛 |
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這就是附議嘛那提附議的話那行政院一定有他的話想講嘛有他的話想講就在立法院講是最正式的嘛那所以剛剛這個村城兄的這些問題跟質疑沒有關係我相信我們這個卓院長一定會講得很清楚但是講呢一定是在立法院講 |
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因為他是對立法委員來做負責的不是說這個你們說現在開記者會啦在臉書上面有寫啦就講得很清楚了其實今天主院長他在臉書上面或是記者會講的他就是講很遺憾啊他是很遺憾啊他連最基本的說明的機會都被剝奪了而且是絕非遺憾兩個字可以形容比遺憾更遺憾啊那所以院長真的 |
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這個您是立法院院長那邀請行政院院長來這個立法院做這個復議案說明我認為這個是行政院長的這個義務不是只有權力而已那剛才這個國民黨委員有講啊這個明天是院會啊這個要審法案啊那所以呢這個那最好復議案的時候一起講 |
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如果說明天這個院會一起處理復議案的話那才是真正是在阻擋法案的進行因為院會本來就是有什麼法案我們就來審查但是這個行政院院長要來立法院做這個復議案的說明那是要開這個立法院的這個全院的委員會 |
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那你要開全委員會我們就是另外再訂個時間也不會影響到這個院會的進行嘛所以說如果說明天就要排這個院會然後就把這個附議案把它排進去然後馬上就要表決這才是占用時間啊所以院長按照慣例行政院院長來這個立法院就附議案的說明過去都是全院的委員會來做說明 |
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所以应该是说在下个礼拜排个时间来做这个全院的委员会请行政院院长来做复议案的说明这才是正办而且现在我看除了这个司法委员会现在还在审预算之外其实很多的委员会预算都已经审完了 |
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那其實是有時間來開這個不論是這一個全院的委員會來處理這個復議案或是說剛剛國民黨的這個委員有講那現在總預算很重要那沒關係啊我們也可以加開院會再來講總預算的事情因為這一根究底啊是誰在擋這個總預算是國民黨在擋總預算啊 |
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擋了六次耶 這程序委員會就把他擋掉了耶行政院是在八月底的時候就把總預算送到我們立法院來了但是我們立法院是哪時候才開 才開始把總預算附委是在十一月五號耶 十一月八號耶十一月八號才把這個整個總預算來附委所以是誰在擋總預算 是國民黨在擋總預算啊 |
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擋了兩個多月11月8號才讓整個總運算來覆尾才交付審查那現在國民黨就說哎呀總運算很重要總運算當然重要所以呢這個我們都可以加開用會來處理但是不要忘了當初為什麼總運算省那麼久 |
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因為國民黨在11月8號才把總預算整個再復違那另外呢其實我們今天的這個朝野協商本來也有提到協商的部分呢除了這個限數法之外我們還有這一個114年度中央政府的總預算 |
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還有這個前瞻預算這些特別預算追加預算等等本來也想說今天朝野協商的時候請院長來做處理但是今天沒有今天就只有談這個限訴法好啦那現在還有就是說國民黨最常用的理由就是說啊這限訴法關行政幹什麼事情 |
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當然關行政院的事情嘛這個剛剛大家講很清楚了99以上的這個案子都是人民的釋憲案那按照這個司法院所提供的資料現在還有400多件啊還在這個司法院裡面等待這個憲法法庭來做這個審理那如果按照這個國民黨邏輯憲訴法司法院關行政院什麼事情為什麼要行政院院長來做這個復案說明 |
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那為什麼立法院職權行使法這個擴權法案通過之後那行政院有沒有提復議有啊那行政院院長有沒有來做說明也有啊那為什麼那時候國民黨就沒有說啊這是立法院職權行使法關行政院什麼事情沒有嘛還是來做說明因為跟行政院也有相關嘛 |
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限訴法也是一樣啊也是跟行政院有相關代表這麼多的人民來做這個限訴法的復驗的說明相當的合理嘛所以說當初是誰把手伸進到這個司法院不是行政院是立法院立法院你把手伸進去了限訴法 |
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憲法訴訟法就好像是這個憲法法庭的這個職權行使法就好像是我們自己的立法院職權行使法如果按照憲法第四條規定要怎麼審理人數都是由大法官自己來決定的不是你立法院定了一個法把手伸進去司法院來決定他要怎麼開會幾個人可以開會幾個人可以評審可以評理 |
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這完全是立法權深進到司法權裡面了嘛所以今天行政院來做這個復議案的報告絕對不是說行政院把手伸到了司法院不是是立法院是國民黨通過了限訴法先把手伸進去了伸進到司法院裡面去了行政院才被迫必須來做復議案的說明跟報告我把這個話要把它講清楚我看這個院長已經點頭微笑了 |
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好 那我們現在先說到這邊 謝謝任長謝謝李昆城委員的發言各位黨黨幹部我特別報告剛剛民進黨團兩次提出所有所提出來要求朝野協商的議案包括國民黨團 台灣民眾黨團就大家意見提出來我們都會鬧朝野協商所以下星期我們會繼續朝野協商這一點跟各位報告請大家務必不要存有疑心不是閃躲 是因為限訴法明天就要審查了所以今天才特別排這個案我們沒有 |
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包括我本人立法院長、副院長的改選案,我們都會面對問題不會閃躲,這一點要特別報告明天是一個很重要的...我知道第二個就是各黨團都做發言有的黨團希望行政院長來報告有的黨團希望明天就處理我們這個憲法第2次協商上一次也已經做出我們一切一規定處理可是呢,民進黨團又提出來我們也覺得很重視所以今天又再一次下午又來協商所以這樣的話,我想我們就 |
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一切還是一樣,我們就依照規定好不好,明天沒有辦法達成共識嘛這要朝野寫上來決定啊那要不然我們就休息五分鐘讓他來寫上來好不好,休息一下 |
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會不會過到總預算 總預算接下來是協商啊那協商跟台那個全院委員會又不衝突還有副院長這一組織啊好 那我不是 你們要不要私底下處和漢典都不夠風向你院長要來跟他們說OK SHORT PASS 等一下誰要我講完一定有錢齁 好不好你們要不要來 |
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不要緊張,我一定有解方市長明天來,下禮拜就處理,一樣是可以表決的到啊我們的行政院長來,下禮拜就可以處理了啊 |
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然後你喊總預算 總預算接下來是協商協商院長主持 看一邊副院長一邊院長就好了對啊 又不衝突對啊 跟總預算沒有關係不會壓線才處理啦紅圍委員 我很期待你可以氣質的在詢問行政院長大家不要緊張 我一定有解方而且讓大家非常愉快 |
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氣質美女不要走啊 紅衛氣質美女不要走我很怕氣質走了我們氣質要留住 我很怕氣質走了來來來 氣質要留下來 氣質一定要留下來 |
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不要讓氣質落跑了事實上他跟總預算的程序一點都沒有關係因為總預算接下來就是總預算接下來就是協商嘛他跟兩件事是分開的我是覺得說你們下禮拜一定有時間可以處理16號之前啊 |
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阿所以你們下禮拜有充裕的時間如果明天我們明天就可以把尋答結束了阿明天才10號阿我們明天就可以讓他尋答結束阿奇怪阿就大家按照程序這樣不是很好嗎 |
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總預算委員會處理完院長召集協商協商程序又不影響其他的程序加開一次 全院委員會不會再要到院會的時間 |
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有没有逆转? |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
7420.263 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
這裏有一個很重要的地方,就是這裏。 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
謝謝觀賞 |
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| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
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我一定要上來講話?你講,一定要你講,重點是你先把時間解放告訴我我用查理常定下來就好了12日時間定下來,念過去了比如你怕16號,14號已經完成了,請查理常拿念過去 |
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那我們怎麼組旗號 這樣都可以談了啊你明天走得過去我從不走你走不過去的那個好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
這個倒著去講話 |
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| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
謝謝觀看 |
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現在剛好是半天了啊我們沒有啊我們同樣是一個什麼環境 |
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7614.445 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
對,對 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
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7619.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
謝謝大家 |
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有嗎?有嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
7696.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
就有任何 |
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| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
7733.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
響鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
7741.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
7746.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
你都不公說話 上去又沒有解駁一點輿論空間都沒有你們先溝通 讓他不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
講完就 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
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不是他跟高雄一點關係都沒有不是他還沒有說完是我想的是我想的你剛剛說我告訴你王文威跟他一點關係都沒有他下半輪他有下半輪 |
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| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
7838.053 |
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你要不要去念召一大堂?我們想之後把他去念召一大堂為什麼要去念召一大堂呢?我們想去念召夢眠夢想去念召夢眠夢想去念召夢眠夢想去念召夢眠夢想去念召夢眠夢想去念召夢眠夢想去念召夢眠夢 |
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院長,我希望你承諾諾言好不好對啊,我希望你承諾諾言我講一句話大家都聽得懂,但是我會把道理講清楚不必溝通,我講話絕對算數,好不好 |
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來,那個啊,蔡英雅蔡英雅沒關係啦,我講得大家清楚啦你給我講完我到現在為止,我不想要服辱你賣什麼藥對啊,也應該你要講得很明確喔人家要很明確我在合氣的搭這個橋兩邊,走路走不下去沒有把那個橋挖斷我是把橋搭起來,好不好,大家請坐好 |
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好,現在我們繼續開會,那柯建民總召請求發言,我們請柯總召那門關起來好不好?等一下總席是我發言,這個一定要感謝一下 |
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| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
來,院長、各位委員同仁,我等一下, |
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我跟各位保證,請大家注意聽,保證我講的方式,大家聽了洪威所講的就是說我到底賣什麼葫蘆,我是要把事情解決,而且很圓滿,就如此而已那請大家,希望我把整個論述講完 |
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對於各位所提的問題我一一回答不是博士我一一回答這才是正辦這是溝通第一個針對吳征程委員 |
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第一句話你所講的那大海灣會議沒有什麼公信力你講的那就是說你沒有沉默上不了解第二個你說大海灣會議以後是十比九十比九為什麼憲法訴訟法用十比九 |
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| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
8023.967 |
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國民黨要把通殺變成八個而已這一定有道理那現在我們也知道新法訴訟法從什麼時候開始呢因為當年是大法官審理案件法民國93年我進來的時候到了民國108年1月1號通過然後延三年反通期所以111年1月1號 |
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因為要司法節才開始那麼很公私的後退式司法節111上街頭要1月上街頭這法案司法公認罪這很公私的柯文哲現在有問題你要有耐心好不好 |
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我這個法學教育啦,大家搶個空來吳征仁,吳征仁當然好朋友嘛,交換一下意見司法協商協討,實質上這樣的行為司法一時當然當年從大審法改到限訴法的時候是108年1月1號,有三年法律公職,所以1111是這樣的意思 |
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但是一一一不是定國機也不是打錢架人家要了解這個所以你們的邏輯完全錯亂那黃國昌天天在演笑話給大家聽我在臉書上寫過一句話就是說請大家不要再討論柯文哲事件了那是一個民主國家諷刺 |
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反正柯P再怎麼樣,天天在演消化也不是天天在追逐他的消化沒有漏氣媒體上不知道應該再談了,因為他沒有翻身的餘地啦沒有翻身的餘地好官,簡單話很有技巧的求情28.5年其實28.5年等於30年啦柯P未來再判 |
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三個28.5或三個無期徒刑合併執行還是28.5年但是你沒有繳還犯罪所得的話是關滿期的所以這個官司是非常嚴峻的然後每天在電視上包括提訊的時候亂講話前言不得後語我認為這個案子已經很清楚了 |
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所以大家要來思考什麼在一個民主化這麼充足的台灣民主化走了三十年那為什麼台灣會發生這種事情也就是柯文哲用他的騙術可以騙得這麼久那台灣社會應該反思這個事情反思為什麼要反思這個事情就是民粹嘛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
8218.283 |
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他跟柯文哲結一起嘛要弄顏聖文嘛顏聖文因為他是前櫃後裔嘛所以他有他原罪 大家滿意大家滿意就一直排山倒海 造成柯文哲當選他不是說要推倒藍衣人技巧嗎但是他今天把自己推倒了 |
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8246.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
所以這個東西很弔詭所以我呼籲大家應該來檢視這個事情為什麼台灣會發生這種事情這比較重要我希望大家把眼球轉到另外一個方向來反正我們今天講的限塑法講到我們現在台灣民主是不是會被摧毀台灣未來是不是會被中共佔領台灣未來還有未來嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
8269.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
所以所有民間大家都很擔心,這國家醫療又有國家嗎?我們還有2028的選舉嗎?這台灣聽說在考慮這個問題,所以這個比較重要至於吳征平所講的,因為限數法,我不知道大家有沒有了解限數法我還要再強調一次 |
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不管任何政治人物乃至於政務官都要基本的公法及憲法上嘗試這樣才整個國家想往前進否則的話完全沒有公法及憲法上嘗試這國家非常危險所以我對憲法上坦白講我對憲法花了很多時間研究那時候分歧就講說 |
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| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
8322.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
說叫我大好官其實不是因為我對這個非常在意就是說新的體制要靠大家遵守憲法來維持的那今天講的就是說歐小英提出所謂的憲訴法看起來沒有什麼問題但是有一個很大機關他就是要十個九個嘛十個九個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
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要開會的時候至少十個,平的時候要九個,那奇怪,開會十個人,微信審查只要九個人,那一個人沒有來的話,一個人我覺得全部嘛,三八個就全部,說他訂了訂了,他根本訂一個八個就可以,他現在通過你把 |
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| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
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我們同意前前通殺15生的8個8個根本沒有辦法滿足10個9個嘛那黃國昌也是一樣嘛他知道柯國昌容我提醒你剛剛講那個solution解決我回頭拜託我幫黃國昌講清楚大家都很清楚就是說我這邏輯理論是哪一來的好不好院長對不起喔今天可能反正現在3年多而已現在3年多了至少 |
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那法定人還可以開到五點半嘛,不是可以開這麼久啦,等一下我講完就結束啦,好不好我要把一月一月拆開,好不好?院長,你今天央聽還不錯啊?沒有,央聽還不錯但是你沒白的啦,好不好?我現在沒有在講我看到你常常很注意在聽,但是要吸收進去,好不好?不要一直叫我說不要講了我看你眼睛就不大對 |
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關其某之人因所在所以我今天要講的就是說歐小英提的案子坦白講我不知道我當然知道她憂鬱然後她提的要十個九個嘛那十個九個當然是定額我們講很清楚定額沒有錯但是她把大法官三分之四只剩下八個那你沒有辦法釋憲嘛 |
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這個作用在什麼?吳俊仁跟委員剛剛有講到,你賴總統應該再補,當然賴總統應該補,那賴總統補的時候,假如賴總統所補的你就砍掉的時候,當然最後會面臨到義務問題嘛,義務就是人家說你是要怎麼解? |
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你是會談到所謂政黨比喻的名額嘛他們的戰略是在這裡要有人進去大法官要有人來進大法官但是呢 胡文綺也曾經講過大法官應該照政黨比喻來我說什麼時候大法官照政黨比喻來你馬英九有沒有照政黨比喻來大法官從來以前到現在都是用審見委員會來審見 |
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各方推薦然後審議委員通過總統看過總統當然有最後的權力的調整這是我們整個大法官人事審查就是如此包括這次賴總統所提的院長、副院長乃至於大法官我們就弄憲法上他的權力這是他權力所以他提誰我們都不知道 |
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但是審查是在國會,國會是自主 |
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劉教授有意見,那黨團是要一致解的所以我們是什麼?七個裡面有六個贊成,一個很對如果我們老是通殺,完全不一樣的味道所以你現在講說我們和我們黨一起聯合對抗那種完全錯誤 |
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我們是六個同意,一個不同意,一定要一次解嘛你們是七個同意不同意,所以在這裡亦以序名,請不要進行查證,完全毫無道理所以對於吳征文委員,吳征文委員講的就是這個道理他們後面戰略目的,其他價值在什麼,這樣當然我很清楚嘛這黃鑾昌和胡文綺 |
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去設計,後面還有孫永青一大堆TALK的人,乃至於北京都有可能所以我最近可能會寫一篇文章,來談陳昌文、孫永青等人,包括李建柱等人 |
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柯總早,時間我現在不可以講,你繼續走沒事,那我們要走囉你走沒有關係,我這還是錄音啊我是要留下紀錄的我一個一個講,大家才會清楚嘛好,來,董事長,我來歐盟會要走以前,我一一給你駁斥 |
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我們在總預算很重要當然很重要一定能如期完成但是今天吳少偉乃是我們所有委員講的今天在樓上還在審查法務部預算是吳宗憲是國民黨策略性的在卡雖然很清楚 |
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所以很清楚就是說因為海岸長島就跟我講過 |
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假如他十天要到美國的時候,我們都可以加開宴會到晚上十二點第二個我們可以加開宴會,所以完全不影響總預算總預算困難點在什麼地方?困難點就是說,他可能可以要這個禮拜五 |
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他們報上來,完畢以後馬上報上來,因為會交互相依才可以開始協商,才可以叫各黨提出新的意見,提出新的案子。通常這樣的時候大概有七八千案。 |
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然後再叫行政部門去一一溝通一溝通以後當然有時候就改為什麼改為組結議或改為輸入報告就可以這是整個過程最後回來報告王院長蘇前院長以及游賢院長在最後寫上說車案運得很快所以這樣才能夠完成但是這裡面有一點重點就是說 |
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一定要曹海祥簽下來,某年某月一定要完成而且要談三檢總署多少三檢總署出來以後就迎刃而解,如包賓檢有,這是總運算的問題所以我要在這裡告訴王國樂委員他所談的,院長,你曾經在山上 |
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不可能去菩薩的廟裡面坐禪十幾年你應該很有修養我今天早上來的時候我還先練觀世音菩薩普門經好不好大家都要修養那你相當有修養的人嘛那聽了這些話也被你的修養上面不會有破壞一定有加成作用好不好 |
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那接著要談,接下來要談就是說王偉文企業差異那他講了一句話,包含林世民剛才講了一句話說我在在院長室的時候有時候談到其實院長來不來這可以討論但是呢,這是我的想法那院長堅持要來當然我們必須尊重而且這是現任城市的問題我為什麼要這樣講呢剛才剛才那個蔡宜宜有談到有關於 |
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2013年5月31號快去我修正因為公教人員叫,找打一個叫那個案子是我自己在現場的,所以我最清楚那個案子的原因就是說曾經有一個庫裔,庫裔叫做黃世民天天要把人抓去關 |
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要有關於大學教授、院長以及教授、助教等等他們的協助去申請協助的違反計畫但是呢 |
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用假的錢用到以上邊去那其實這只是偽造文書而已他用南部智慧條例要把所有大學教授全國大學教授抓去關以南部智慧條例抓去關這何等大事啊所以我當時在我辦公室裡面常常有人來哭訴甚至坦白講一位大學教授翹樓自殺因為南部智慧條例是七年以上的 |
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其實這個就是這樣的由來所以當初後來2013年5月31號的時候因為還連任黎世嘉找王院長那時候有親民黨還有我們 |
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那台南林士嘉是一屆聯盟的秘書長台大院長楊半職教授他身上掛著所有的委辦計畫四億多科技多了柯恩哲只有十萬而已所以這個律師工業上必須解套 |
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所以大家談好了我們也開過黨黨會議說這一定要解套國民黨也開黨黨會議說要解套李公子還跟我講說我說這個一定要委員會然後在院會經過正常程序不可以朝一朝這樣簽就算了所以大家走正常程序委員會的時候沒有人有意見沒有意見於是到院會的時候當然大家要簽名那時候我們委員長主持 |
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台聯簽 簽我們兩人簽了 新黨簽了我和當初的幹事長是誰 潘文安書記長是邱怡銀我們最後才去簽在簽以前我們開過黨的會議告知每一個黨員的成員但是這裡面有一個就是說要為民進代表一起解套 |
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因為國立計畫會,因為特別會都已經出罪法了那這個也已經出罪法,就是歷史公約所以民運代表的時候的助理費用也應該解套當初就是這樣子走下來所以通過以後柯文哲的案子也解套了因為他教授1450,他有10萬塊 |
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大家知道通過以後第一個打電話給誰是打給柯文哲我說這個沒問題了那當然有很多民進代表也要解套當然解套就沒有今天的高安事件很多助理會的事情但是今天再也沒有辦法回溯了再修改也沒有辦法收集計畫所以今天要談的就是說有些歷史過程是這樣過來了 |
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我們新竹也有因為這樣,這樣本來以為可以解套那被起訴120年,後來也抓去關當然合命之心,合命之心以後當然不到10年內,後來關了也出來了所以這個歷史過程是這樣的 |
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那為什麼要談這個東西呢?用所謂的會計法因為我是在現場的人王崇士明那時候因為大家學長以後簽名然後叫行政拿回去再重新打一個案子回來因為行政的案子是供教漏打的大家以為行政送來一定不穩的就簽下去然後就王崇士明搞過了把教略漏掉 |
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所以馬英九大家請我法人嘛請我法人剛才我那時候還講說中國市會原金標寫這套我錯了就是原金標已經抓去關了所以我們敢出於民意代表的事情所以請我法人的時候馬英九我把它停下來要提復議案復議案的時候當然少一個字而已再加回去這都沒問題所以剛才 |
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蔡議員所提的就是如此其他所有的復議案全部行政長要來那為什麼行政長應該來呢我們要了解我們另外通過法案 |
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要走富裕的行政要走因為法案預算自然難行的時候當然他要提復原然後來立法院說明說明要表決然後復原一定不會夠那他就必須付出然後對比付出然後送給總統去公告所以一定走這個法律程序的民進黨不可能不付出或是做違憲動作 |
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報告我們都是謹守憲法的今天我要談的就是這個事情所以忽然沒有過行政長必須復組當然復組的時間當然他可以這個就是內閣制的精神內閣制的精神是什麼呢 |
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假如說另外三名通過法案假如行政院認為認為說還有其他配套法案要重新要一起通過的話在下一次宴會的時候通過一期才送來這是可以的所以呢行政院長他可以當然可以可以賣可以他有有一定要一定要付出那今天不是說所謂的專案委員所談的 |
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因為朝偉就可以不送出來所以這個差很多,意思差很多今天要談的這個先人理論另外一個呢,並不是所有事件都要走副業案子 |
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事實上很多事件都沒有走負擬案子但是上次因為國會改革的時候上次當然總統的行政院以及立法院同時都是暫時出院以及釋憲其實很多法案都可以立法院直接聽 |
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立法院行政院都可以直接提法提暫時處分以及釋憲這樣就沒有這個程序了所以兩條路是不一樣的我只要這樣說明你懂嗎 |
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他們已經聽我講好幾次了我們都有親人教育然後呢這是什麼我們國大先生提示是什麼提示是混合制而且有總統制以及內閣制的精神所以總統制是什麼總統是負責國家安全其他就是內閣制所以內閣制上面 |
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我們知道憲法五十二條行政院是國家最高行政機關當然他負責整個國家政策的最高他必須負責所以這內閣制的精神所以給行政院院長有如美國的總統一樣美國總統是他特別設計什麼川普對於國會送來法案他會為法案退回 |
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所以內閣是用這樣的精神,他是行政院長,這件法案假如對國內有傷害,他可以不服輸我們今天看,你們連這個招委就可以不送 |
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不送出來院長在新人體制上立法會所設計的當然他必須一定要附屬啦但是他附屬的時候要什麼時候附屬他一定會在適當時間一定會附屬所以各位放心不會違憲的今天我要講這個道理那今天其他以外我們要談的就是說關於林思明 |
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因為所談的話,坦白講喔,你是寫法的人,要國立黨,但是金牌寫良情則無惡氣,你跑國民黨去的時候,你必須去國民黨亂講話,這樣你的律師資料會,人家不敢找你當律師。 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
人家到民進黨來,民進黨的好處就是,總而言之好笑 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
9342.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
9369.755 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
怎麼還沒說好小孩,包括那天的小牛也是一樣人模人樣的,留英國牛喜廷留英的,也是林鄭月娥說事那國民黨在害他,當他來講,警察在那邊挑釁所以他造狗練得很快,他因為一直在做排血,就是害死民族幼苗 |
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| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
9394.761 |
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所以國民黨整個黨要重新在思維上重新思考這個黨已經一百多年能夠有支持到現在還活著我都覺得是奇蹟但是各位不要擔心很快會走入歷史馬路化成一股青煙消失掉在這樣的情形底下 |
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9396.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
9414.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
那今天我不是用這個機會在揶揄國民黨,我講的是實情,良藥苦口,你是好人啊所以包括吳征宅也是一樣,但是他聽得懂我講的話,而且他是值得respect的人 |
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9415.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
9438.561 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
因為她講她說她的壯士在她來找我我說我一半時間在床上臥病但是我能夠下床的時候我已經找你她來跟我談我能仔細聽她講得很好而且她是個合理性會說話這個法案應該怎麼修我們比較能夠完善而且可以亂所以她跟大家一起照相嘛 |
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9439.501 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
9462.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
這就是立法院一個國會的政治生態但吳征峰委員比較可惜,他過去媒體人,政治他不是很熟悉包括立法院的遊戲規則,乃至於法案內容,包括資源刑罰等等,包括憲政問題,包括公安問題他是說來立法院每天像什麼?你說來立法院每天像這樣講? |
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9468.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
9493.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
沒有,你說藍營有藍營,今天好像暴風雨啊那也是你可以在暴風雨找到一個鄰近你有藍營不是暴風雨,你有藍營裡面都是牛尾蛇腎但是哪一個講真話,你應該要看對面那一組就知道了對面這一組吳慈儀、蔡依儀、呂崑禎你看這個好像都尊嚴啊好像尊嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
9497.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
9510.839 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
不會像郭文綺那樣親面咬牙然後然後呢今天我解密到最後要講同一句話這些話我都跟郭文綺講過我們今天所有事情都要解決 |
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9512.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
9529.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
甚至簽一下草野協商你怕1月16號太急我們請1月14號給你草野協商 院長來簽讀我早上三點讀取怎麼讀取我教大家不是解一個就讀取那周環環理事長和那個醫術組長就知道這不太簡單就有了那大家要拼 |
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9532.546 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
9551.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
協商到晚上12點也在協商,應該要趕進度嘛這個東西是一個技術性問題只要不懂的話,我們衛明很清楚,台東我給他看起來他是負責預算的,我們的預算中心主任所以這個很專業的 |
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9553.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
9569.355 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
所以大家要有誠意,把這個問題解決我有跟副理講說,第一個哪一天要休會,你講就算數,16號就16號,把所有都完成包括閒罵、加一我提前表決就好,加二也可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
9571.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
9597.886 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
副議案哪一天我寫清楚14號也可以總運算要怎麼完成包括前瞻包括台電專案運算但是有一點我們之間有差異所以他不敢來面對我他說他有危機問一下我說我只有要求一點潛艦運算一定要讓他過不可以讓他干擾 |
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9601.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
9622.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
這個東西假如你們沒有答應我很難面對我們黨主席變成總統所以假如這個沒有答應的話有可能破局只是這個問題而已他說他在這溝通他在溝通的時候我打電話給他他說藏起來氣泡檢討氣泡檢討很奇怪所以大家這個想一想 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
9623.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
9647.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
潛艦這個東西很重要保護國家只要國民黨把潛艦弄不見的話各位民意的反應會多大所以希望國民黨在這一地方能夠突破什麼時候就迎刃而解國會長長的話是一個非常誠懇我們都可以親下來16號就16號都如期完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
9651.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
9680.094 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
副議案前十四法沒有關係蔡偉昌唸過還可以不遵守法,不可能的事情嘛總預算如期完成總預算要加長審查那前瞻那個都要...院長我知道你很關心總預算跟這家預算所以你每次都要提出來但我今天就是說這個有裡面的一個名義告別那個很環雜所以可能那時候蘇家前院長常常做到晚上十二點 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
9680.954 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
9708.231 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
上個月起我們也是 主要這個地方七月十二 主要晚上十二點所以這些東西 都沒有問題包括拉法 選辦法 加一加二都沒有問題反正都要釋憲的 我們不會打架嘛我們從此以後 立法院都不打架我們重新來建立 重塑一個新的文化讓韓院長最遠變成民主的英雄 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
9709.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
9735.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
好不好讓海南黨得到應該得到的尊重Respect這是我一直在想朝野和解這是很重要好不好所以以上只是那一點大家可以想一想好謝謝柯總召等一下我再一分鐘已經講了四十一分鐘了我可以講四十四個小時但是我很簡單的講因為我常常 |
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9737.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
9748.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
跟我們的團隊都很清楚這也是他們的挑戰所以所以我講的話我也不必代表我就這麼講清楚就是說大家想一想 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
9750.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
9767.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
保齡檢測才能夠迎刃而解這個東西米港處理好我們明天大家簽一簽那我們請韓院長李育謙副院長長他很尊重你的你也跟你們的黨主席朱主席講一下 |
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9769.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
9798.082 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
這是對大家好啊假如破局的話我不知道國民黨能不能承擔這種這種把國家 國會國家都不要了連前任都不要了我相信國民黨很難承擔好 以上是終於希望你們不用膩了謝謝柯總召謝謝各位 謝謝謝謝您42分鐘只有我最專心聽你的真的 我憑良心講我眼睛都看著你的 |
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9800.456 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
9822.491 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
謝謝大家,我本來想上次蔡議員書記長講的話我也很感慨希望蔡議員協商大家把自己意見表達完畢,黨團立場顧到以後黨團的理想性大家能達成共識,不要各說各話其實這個話就是我內心所想,總是希望我們花了這麼多時間今天馬上承認這麼多責任,總是希望能夠往好的方向發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
9824.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
9851.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
那很抱歉連續兩次協商到截至目前還是沒有辦法達成三檔的共識其實我是有點遺憾因為剛才一度曙光已經露出來了那本案沒有獲得共識我們就提送院會依議事規定來處理我們現在散會哪裡沒有共識啊 院長14號刑事復議案的投票在憲法的期限裡面還有時間啊 明天早上再來談 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
9855.546 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
9862.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
院長你根本就是有聽沒有進去耶 |