| IVOD_ID |
164564 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164564 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-22T11:01:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-22T11:15:48+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:46 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/615807a88c5be4da6994c2d5427d0aaa27ea0d01a9ed952c83c966d97180d5d25bdf70add8e932595ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐巧芯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:01:02 - 11:15:48 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第7次全體委員會議(事由:邀請外交部部長林佳龍報告「近期台美關係及關稅談判進展」,併請行政院經貿談判辦公室、經濟部、農業部列席,並備質詢。) |
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謝謝主席 我們先請林佳龍部長請部長 |
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部長好 我想我們先從輕鬆一點的內容開始討論那就是有媒體報導您就是要寫新書了嘛也先恭喜外交部要寫新書啊 不是嗎但是就有人在講說這個外交部有些人說要寫書啊然後內部公務員有一些意見啊等等的 |
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那呢你們也已經回應了非常的快速就講說呢是要做一些政策討論包含是總和外交等等的一些這個議題要做的這個書籍嘛可不可以那個部長先幫我們介紹一下這個書的這個我想先問一下書名叫什麼 |
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是這樣就像我跟委員提到的業務報告這是我針對總和外交怎麼去推動嘛我先好奇就是說它書名叫做什麼因為它不是什麼一本書啦它就是我們對政策的方向然後大家凝聚共識那也有個名字吧就是會是有一個報告一個報告那它不是會做成一個而且我跟委員報告 |
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我的想法啦那個沒有什麼去動用什麼這個本來就是我們業務單位根據我的施政理念尤其是業務報告要落實到各單位去推動要配套嘛如果這個這個方面我想對於我們有共同的 |
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這個外交的目標跟我們的路徑圖我知道 我覺得很好啦 我沒有要批評你的意思我只是很好奇說這個書的這個好 你叫政策白皮書也好 就是怎麼樣也好他的這個名稱叫什麼我跟委員報告 比如我之前啦 我自己啦這是跟這個沒有關係像我有這個出版一本叫經濟日不落國對就是這個 |
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有您在那個交通部長的任內交通部台灣這個新彥行國際聯合艦隊就是現在在推動的我們的經濟外交的來源嘛那我知道啦這個像交通部的時候您也有一本這樣子的這個冊子嘛那我覺得都沒有關係因為呢有政策讓更多人知道是好事我只是想要好奇問一下說那你看 |
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之前在交通部的時候您的這個我們就講好政策書好了叫做交通彩繪家林佳龍與人本交通的創新治理那呢我想要問一下現在我們在規劃的這個手冊那標題叫什麼 |
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這是不一樣的不過這個我跟委員講你講的這個是我自己我都自己出錢在就是說形成我自己的一些政策論述因為要跟社會溝通這是民主的當然我沒有反對我在當交通部長你也知道包括Uber問題的解決包括現在的T-pass |
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我知道了 包括無人機智慧電動車還有這些所有的很多是來自於我們帶一個政策我沒有反對我只是問一下你們想好這個名稱了沒有啊就標題我想問一下這個冊子的標題是什麼問題很簡單還沒有還沒想好而且這個跟委員講的這並不是說去出版一本書那你要什麼時候出版也不是用外交部的預算 |
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所以這個兄弟我讀我自己長年來推動總和外交的一些施政理念跟同仁來共同形成一個配套的政策這個施政理念的這個手冊好了我這樣講手冊是由您自己個人出資啊一向如此我從來我都不用公家的預算那那撰寫這個書籍的話有請外交部的同仁協助嗎沒有就是 |
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資料的 根據我要的資料的整理他們必須把在做的去做配套比如說我們的歐洲政策我跟委員報告像我們最近有沒有我們有一個從科技到文化嘛我們最近在推動歐洲為什麼會有突破那以前就是我們30個外館但是就各自為政你不要跟我說這麼多到時候您出版了我會我會這個閱讀這個大作我就知道了好不好因為我們大家在期待我會跟您分享如果有這個東西期待這個冊子對啊期待這個冊子出現要不然我先送幾本我以前出版的給 |
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我看過我看過我一向是您的書籍的粉絲我都看過所以我才好奇說這個標題標題還沒有定那內容大概有那預計什麼時候要出版呢 |
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有預計的時辰嗎我們就是一個要形成政策的一個共識跟論述的一個工作啦其實大家都要一起做這個工作才有共同的我們講的戰略風向跟路徑谷你預計有什麼時候要把這個東西做出來我這樣講你可不可以不要能夠接受隨時都可以做出來因為都在我的我們在進行中的政策啊 |
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OK好可是你總會有個時程吧那我如果問說那你明天就要做出來那你今天都還沒有想好標題怎麼可能呢那比較隨時啊我再跟委員請教一下如果應該用什麼方式會比較適合我都是開放式的那太好了知道委員的支持啊更有這個動力對對我好奇名稱而已好那我們請這個我們經貿談判辦公室上來好不好好 |
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部長您也留步我不確定會不會有您的這個沒關係您留步好這個我今天要問的是關於我們副總統蕭美琴日前接受加拿大的廣播公司專訪的時候提到川普政府在美國的投資不只有台積電還包含整個台積電的生態系請問這個部分我們在行政院的談判辦公室清不清楚 |
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我們都有看到相關的報導都有都有follow我不要問的是報導我是在說過程當中你們清不清楚就是我們在談判的時候呢有談到包含是台積電的生態系都納入在台美的這個關稅談判當中 |
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是知道清楚你的事是什麼意思是向委員報告就是說有關於這件事情的說明就是說這個是因為台灣的科學園區的模式在全球獨有加上產業園區工業區等所以其他國家難以複製這樣的園區規劃所以我國是願意與美國透過政府與政府的合作來創造有利產業聚落形成的環境這樣可以降低我國企業單打獨鬥的高成本跟風險 |
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因此我們提議導入過去產業記錄以及科學園區的經驗那我們會以國家跟產業利益來跟美國談判所以這個具體的做法是什麼因為你講到園區嘛具體的做法是什麼是說呢在台灣的這些園區呢由美國這裡來投資還是說呢我們要去美國投資園區 |
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跟委員報告這個所謂的台灣模式是在跟由台灣佈局全球總體策略下它包括幾個重點第一個就是它是由企業來自主規劃到美國來進行產業投資第二個是政府來整合所以是台灣到美國去投資但是由政府來整合政府來整合然後並且增加對業者的金融支持那第三點是要透過台美政府 |
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與政府就是居途居的合作來為我國企業打造有利的產業環境來協助相關產業在美國進行有利的國際布局那請問一下部長在這個部分外交部有沒有角色呢有啊因為我們很多外管什麼樣具體的其實我們在推動所謂的龍幫計畫就有一個智慧科技園區海外示範計畫 |
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那所以我們榮邦計畫這一次我也知道說我們在這個預算編列的部分增加了68億嘛對不對那在這68億的預算當中是不是您剛講的協助剛才我們經貿辦講的這個所謂的園區計畫那也是在這個68億其中呢相關的資源 |
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比如說我們這個台灣Tower就是中油的地那被收回也可惜我們把它變成一個其實就是一個單一服務窗口跨這個就是台美之間的這個服務可以整合在這裡那我們譬如說巴拉圭我們以前我們就是把一個廢棄的工業區開發成台巴智慧科學園區 |
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對 我問的是台美的部分啦不是說我們今天的主題是台美啦我本來是針對邦交國可是現在也推動譬如說台美以外像菲律賓啊像中東歐的這個國家我想要問的是我們這個榮邦計畫裡面的68億當中有哪一些部分有多少的經費是在剛才經貿辦講到的跟外交部所共同合作的有關台美談判這些科學園區相關的協助金 |
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目前並沒有特別分對美國因為我們在啟動這個榮邦計畫是針對我們邦交國還有理念相近國家但是因為現在台美的經貿的談判有出現科學園區我跟委員報告比如說像最近電電工會有公布有沒有要在墨西哥設這個TIMA科技園區就是我們跟他們討論因為我們要公私協力有些國家是由企業來主導 |
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然後他們本來就要投資我們之後審查預算的時候會一個一個問您喔因為我要問今天就是在談台美關稅的議題嘛那您剛上來的時候我第一個問題問您的就是說呢那在這個我剛講的這個半導體的部分呢這個我們外交部有沒有角色您告訴我說有然後呢我就問說那有沒有一些具體的這個預算等等的就是具體的協助方向嘛 |
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那你具體有協助方向的話他當然也會有預算所以我才問說我們具體對於剛才所說的這個所謂的半導體投資的部分外交部具體的協助方向跟方式是什麼那運用到哪一些資源是我剛講榮邦計畫我們要設定對象邦交國跟理念相近國家兩大類理念相近國家本來是針對中東歐跟菲律賓等 |
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但現在包括美日歐其實很多的國家都適合我們去跟他一起合作這裡面涉及到就是科技資金跟人才三大塊那這個政策對美方面我們並沒有外交部另外特別編列預算因為當時在形成榮邦計畫的時候你說放在裡面了嘛 |
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但是因為政策的主張的內容是相近就是有關於智慧科技園區海外示範計畫那這裡面會有一個交集所以我想要請問一下剛才你講的這個美國的部分因為你講說嘛榮邦計畫除了這些原本我們一些邦交國理念相近的之外美日的部分也會把它納進來嘛因為也跟我們理念每日歐都有嘛那我特別詢問 |
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我特別詢問的就是說在這個榮邦計畫的這個整體的預算規劃當中對於美國談判就是對於美國投資或是美國相關協助的部分包含是園區的部分它佔了多少的比例呢這是分開的但是因為現在因為台美的談判裡面有出現了所謂的台灣模式會有科學園區所以我們的榮邦計畫 |
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同樣這個模式也可以蓋美國啊來這個怎麼樣去結合成一個台灣模式所以並不是說我們一開始針對美國的我知道我知道這是分開的我知道但我要問說因為它包含在裡面嘛所以它包含在裡面的它可以包含它 |
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因為不是說它可以包含你預算都編了那你一定已經有一個想法跟規劃了那我問的是說對於美國的對於你剛剛講的園區的這一部分來說的話是佔這個榮邦計畫裡面的多少經費嗎 |
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這麼簡單的問題沒有在這方面另外別列預算只有這個政策就是行政院核定的龍邦計畫我們的對象國家那不是有包含美國嗎那因為我們本身也在推動智慧科技園區海外示範計畫同樣的不限對象的話你念相近國家裡面也可以適用不是也可以你一定是那也可以的意思是也可能沒有行政院包括經貿談判辦公室 |
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這個我們外交部會是參與但是對美的這個關稅啦或者是232條款或是投資或供應鏈的合作這個還是整個行政院跨部會的事情但是如果他們需要動用資金的話在外交部來講應該不會來自於我們這邊的資金啦那你剛不講說科學園區等等的投資的部分我跟委員再講一點時間也就是說我們要推動 |
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智慧科技研究院海外計畫我們已經跟以大帶小公司協力軟硬兼施內外循環有四個政策設計硬的部分是誰要硬我再跟委員詳細報告我們最近怎麼樣在一些友邦推動軟硬兼施硬的部分軟體跟硬體啦 |
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我們不要只是賣硬體的製造我們要軟體的服務 系統整合老半天告訴我說是軟體跟硬體我實在是覺得因為這樣子口訣我多問了兩句之後就變成就從那個軟硬間是突然變軟體跟硬體那不講這麼多總之我想是這樣子的因為先前剛剛講的這個生態系赴美的事情那國發會說事前都不知情我最後詢問一下外交部事前是知情的嗎 |
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我是想說應該是我們供應鏈的擴展沒有啦 我就很我問的就是蕭美琴說的可以有台美聯合艦隊台日聯合艦隊 台歐聯合艦隊的這件事情而已你不要跟我講別的我就是專門問你這個部分就是蕭美琴副總統說台灣投資美國包含整個晶片生態系因為我要告訴你喔國發會他們說事前不知道喔那您事前是知道的嗎 |
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用什麼名詞形容是另外一回事就是生態系啊整個台美關係我是很清楚的生態系赴美台積電生態系赴美這件事情嗎我的理解是半導體供應鏈的拓展這不是移植這個是我們成功的模式因為我時間不夠了還有其他人要質詢 |
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所以我簡單講我覺得你們就是事前不知情啊因為你這個供應鏈整體的這個說法那大家都知道啊那如果說大家都知道的東西蕭美琴副總統要提出來那又怎麼會變成是一個新聞國發會會怎麼說事前不知情呢所以不知情以後就告訴我說不知情就好了就不用另外再講說哎呀還有什麼其他的東西我的概念跟理解那時間有限謝謝 |