| IVOD_ID |
16455 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16455 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-35-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-08T08:29:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-08T11:44:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:15:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/7a505bc1fba11f2dda3b4720c362bf969b5fa2f296a93534529fa0cca45d5627d15d8e025481c3525ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第25次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於僑務委員會主管信託基金：（處理）
（一）莊守耕公益基金。
（二）受理捐贈僑生獎助學金及艱困地區僑民學校師資輔助金基金。
二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於國防部主管非營業基金：（處理）
（一）作業基金：1、國軍生產及服務作業基金。2、國軍老舊眷村改建基金。3、國防醫學院軍事教育基金。
（二）資本計畫基金－國軍營舍及設施改建基金。（1月8日及9日二天一次會）） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:29:59 - 11:44:59 |
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好來報告委員會初期委員五人已足法定人數我們現在開會請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第二會期外交及國防委員會第二十四次全體委員會議議事錄時間中華民國一百一十四年一月二日星期四上午九十一分至十一時四十三分地點紅樓山林一會議室出席委員盧美琳等十一人面席委員羅志強等九人面席人員外交部部長林佳龍及所屬人員主席林昭吉委員易軍報告事項一宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定二 |
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1933.093 |
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1956.971 |
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邀请外交部部长报告推动二轨外交与元首外交含繁荣南岛智慧永续出访专案与友邦合作计划及近期外交出访之成效并被质询。外交部部长林佳龙报告委员卢美林等12人质询,均用外交部部长林佳龙、亚希及非洲师师长贺中义、北美师师长王良玉及黎编处处长陈欣欣等及其答复。 |
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1957.811 |
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1972.3 |
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決議一登記質詢在場委員均已發言完畢報告及詢答結束二委員所提口頭為其答覆或要求提供資資訊請外交部與二周內已書面答覆本會全體委員並赴資本會委員令指定期限者從期鎖定宣讀完畢 |
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1977.395 |
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請問在場委員對於上一次會議議事錄有遺漏錯誤或需要更正的地方沒有的話我們議事錄確定那請議事人員宣佈討論事項那我先跟本委員會的同仁先報告一下我們兩天一次會但這一次會當中其實又分成兩段的不同會議第一段我們處理僑委會的基金第二段處理國防部所屬的基金所以我們在每個基金的處理完 |
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2005.64 |
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完整之後再移動到下一個那國防部的同仁可能就比較辛苦一點我們要等教會處理完我們就接續下去我們不用再空下時間來那我們現在先請議事人員宣讀討論事項 |
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2020.954 |
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討論事項 一繼續審查一百一十四年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於僑務委員會主管信託基金一 裝手跟公益基金二 受理捐贈僑生獎助學金及監控地區僑民學校師資輔助基金二 繼續審查一百一十四年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於國防部主管非營業基金一 作業基金一 國軍生產及服務作業基金 |
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二 國軍老舊眷村改建基金三 國防醫學院軍事教育基金二 資本計劃基金國軍營設及設施改建基金宣讀完畢好 我們先介紹現在已經到場的委員我們陳永康委員 請坐 請坐羅美玲委員 沈伯陽委員今天列席的官員我們第一部分僑友會是由委員長徐家青 |
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主委張良明喬教處處長林紀榮喬生處處長王怡如主計事主任林秀燕因為我們待會要下到場面下直接處理預算所以我就我們就不會再回到上面來我一定把列席的官員一併介紹了國防部部長顧立雄 |
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這是國防部基金處理的部分那楊基隆長室參事石文榮政務辦公室主任陳道輝政案局局長陳玉玲軍備局局長林文祥主計局局長謝其賢軍醫局局長蔡建松 |
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人事參謀次長是次長劉沛志後勤參謀次長是次長李鳳祥海軍司令部參謀長邱俊榮空軍司令部參謀長王德陽陸軍後勤指揮部參謀長梁永坤國防部由行政院主計總處基金預算處科長李正道 |
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本日會議繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於僑委會主管兩項信託基金案及國防部主管四項非營業基金案進行提案處理 |
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那其中僑委會信託基金部分因為提案數量不多我們就在這個地方現場處理那處理完畢後我們請僑委會的列席官員可以回去辦公那之後審查國防部非營業基金時我們再移到協商桌進行協商處理那我們現在先請議事委員先行宣讀僑委會信託基金的預算數及委員提案 |
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114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算僑務委員會主管甲信託基金部分依中首根公益基金依基金運用計畫因依據收支逾出撥補等向之審查結果隨同調整二總收入4萬1千元 |
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三總支出四萬元是本期剩餘一千元二 受理捐贈僑生獎助學金及監控地區僑民學校師資輔助基金一 基金運用計畫因依據收支與處撥補等項資審查結果隨同調整二 總收入七百一十七萬三千元三總支出七百零九萬七千元是本期剩餘七萬六千元現在宣讀委員之提案 |
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第一案 莊手跟公益基金由海外各地僑胞及國內善心人士所捐獻為配合推展南向政策全面擴大吸收優秀人才持續鼓勵更多僑生回國升學建議僑委會應利用各式媒介推廣願意捐獻善款任善的循環持續下去提案人委員林益君等人二 |
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2281.608 |
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2307.391 |
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僑務委員會受理捐贈僑生獎助學金及監管地區僑民學校師資輔助金要點第五點規定獎助學金以就讀國內大專以上院校在校僑生為限建議僑委會根據研議放寬申請標準以供大專以下有需求之僑生能獲得獎助學金之幫助提案人委員林楚英等人第三案 |
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2308.573 |
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2319.079 |
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説理捐贈僑生獎助學金及監管地區僑民學校施支輔助基金需仰賴僑民團體及熱心人士捐贈原指僑務委員會應與海內外僑界、僑社及僑民團體加強募款並積極宣傳僑生可申請之相關獎補助金提案人委員盧美玲等人 |
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2333.427 |
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2357.087 |
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第四案 豎立捐贈僑生掌柱學金及監控地區僑民學校師資輔助基金由海外各地僑胞及國內善心人士所捐獻為配合推展新南向政策全面擴大吸收優秀人才建議僑委會應利用各式媒介努力促進與推廣捐獻善款之意願提案委員林益君等人宣讀完畢 |
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2383.736 |
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巧合會的基金總共是四項主決議那主決議我們通常處理的方式是請主管機關如果沒有意見就照案辦理如果有修正我們就叫修正提案那看這個提案的委員有沒有意見沒意見的話照修正通過好我們先處理第一案林益君委員所提的主決議巧合會有沒有意見可能要有人到麥克風那邊要不然沒辦法做會議記錄 |
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2388.442 |
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2416.97 |
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報告召委沒有意見好召案通過第二案林楚瑩委員的主決議提案沒有意見好召案通過第三案羅美玲委員的提案你們有文字修正嗎有小部分文字修正那個提案委員有沒有意見那個修正你看過嗎剛剛有來說明了就是按照我們修正OK好第三案照文字修正通過第四案林益君委員的主決議提案沒有意見好召案通過 |
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2436.249 |
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感謝委員好請那個委員長請回114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於僑委會主管莊手跟公益基金及受理捐贈僑生獎助學金及艱困地區僑民學校師資 |
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2437.69 |
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2461.016 |
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輔助基金兩項信託基金案業已審查完略送請財政委員會會診後提報院會請問我們在場委員院會審議前是否需要政黨協商不用黨團協商第二院會審議時請推派一名委員做補充說明請推派王定宇莊委 |
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2462.16 |
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2479.866 |
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應該羅美林委員勒好好 你推我就推我好 那個由王定宇委員做補充說明好 我們現在先請僑委會部分處理完略請僑委會先離席他們可以離席了啦 |
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2482.83 |
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2511.244 |
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現在先請醫生員在這個時間的時候來宣讀國防部非營業基金的預算數和委員提案大概100餘案以及佈置協商場地宣讀期間其他在場人員如有需要可以自由離座宣讀完畢後請國防部相關列席官員移駕到協商桌來處理提案現在我們請醫生員進行宣讀 |
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2513.393 |
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2541.457 |
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一百一十四年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算國防部主管甲飛營業部分一作業基金國軍生產及服務作業基金一業務計劃應依據業務收支轉投資固定資產建設改良擴充及資金運用等向之審查結果水統調整二業務收支業務總收入四百一十三億九千零二十六萬三千元二業務總支出四百億兩百二十四萬九千元 |
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2542.097 |
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2547.78 |
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3.本期剩餘13億8801萬4千元3.結繳公庫淨額15億元4.固定資產建設改良擴充32億4104萬3千元5.國庫增撥基金額無劣數2.作業基金國均老舊眷村改建基金1.業務計劃因依據業務收支 |
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2562.766 |
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2577.998 |
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轉投資固定資產建設改良擴充及資金運用等項皆審查結果水統調整二業務收支一業務總收入3972萬2千元二業務總支出4億6749萬4千元三本期剩餘1億7222萬8千元三截繳公戶淨額無劣數四固定資產建設改良擴充無劣數無固定 |
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2589.746 |
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2592.028 |
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國庫增撥基金額無劣數3. |
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2592.028 |
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2605.295 |
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作業基金國防醫學院軍事教育基金依業務計畫因依據業務收支轉投資固定資產建設改良擴充及資金應用等項之審查結果隨同調整2. |
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2605.295 |
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2607.476 |
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業務收支依業務總收入7億8294萬4千元2. |
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2607.476 |
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2607.917 |
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業務總支出8億6千318萬9千元 |
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2614.161 |
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2631.66 |
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3.本期短促8,024万5千元3.结缴公库金额无劣数4.固定资产建设改良扩充1亿5,777万2千元5.无国库增拨基金额1亿6,369万2千元4.资本计划基金 |
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2632.16 |
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2643.466 |
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国军营设及设施改建基金1.业务计划应依据基金来源及用途审查结果随同调整2.基金来源用途及余处1.基金来源147亿4735万5千元 |
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2647.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2668.107 |
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基金用途三百九十三亿一百二十六万三千元三本期短处两百四十五亿五千三百九十万八千元三补办预算固定资产建设改良货中九十亿八千万元现在宣读委员制预算提案第一案至第四案为 |
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2668.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2698.361 |
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国军生产及服务作业基金生产事业消货成本制成品消货收入之提案第一案增列五千万元委员黄仁等人提案第二案冻结一亿元委员黄仁等人提案第三案冻结五百万元委员徐巧兴等人提案第四案冻结五千万元委员徐巧兴等人提案第五案医疗事业其他医疗收入增列三百万元委员黄仁等人提案第六案服务收入 |
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2699.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2715.609 |
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甄列100万元委员林楚英等提案第七案管理及总务费用一般服务费冻结5亿元委员徐巧欣等提案第八案至第九案为生产事业材料及用品费使用材料费之提案 |
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2716.755 |
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2739.072 |
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第八案 凍結一千萬元委員陳冠廷等人提案第九案 凍結一百萬元委員王定宇等人提案第十案 自第十七案為管理及總務費用之提案第十案 旅運費檢列一百萬元凍結一百萬元委員馬文君等人提案第十一案 修理保養及保固費凍結九百萬元委員馬文君等人提案第十二案 專業服務費 |
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2740.598 |
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2758.557 |
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檢列兩千萬元 凍結三百萬元 委員馬文君等提案第十三案 公關未到費 檢列四百萬元 凍結兩百萬元 委員馬文君等提案第十四案 使用材料費 檢列一百萬元 凍結五十萬元 委員馬文君等提案第四五案 用品消耗 |
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2760.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2772.362 |
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凍結90萬元委員馬文君等提案第16案管理及總務費用凍結2000萬元委員馬文君等提案第17案管理及總務費用凍結2000萬元委員馬文君等提案第18案業務成本與費用凍結100萬元委員王定宇等提案第19案 |
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雜項費用 其他費用 簡列三萬九千元 凍結三千萬元為馬文君等提案第二十案 自二十七案為醫療成本之提案第二十案門診醫療成本專業服務費 凍結一千萬元為林益君等提案第二十一案 |
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2818.307 |
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門診醫療成本凍結一千萬元五元陳冠廷等提案第二十二案門診醫療成本凍結五百萬元五元黃仁等提案第二十三案門診醫療成本凍結一百萬元五元王定宇等提案第二十四案住院醫療成本專業服務費凍結兩百萬元五元陳冠廷等提案第二十五案住院醫療成本 |
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2819.447 |
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2845.804 |
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专业服务费冻结一千万元五元零一均等提案第二十六案住院医疗成本短处赔偿与保险给付冻结一百万元五元陈冠廷等提案第二十七案医疗成本冻结五百万元五元徐巧兴等提案第二十八至第二十九案为管理及总务费用之提案第二十八案冻结三千万元五元马文君等提案第二十九案冻结一千万元五元马文君等提案第三十案 |
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2859.876 |
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醫療事業業務外費用凍結1000萬元委員林益君等提案第31案醫療事業成本費用總計正式原額薪資凍結100萬元委員陳冠廷等提案第32至第33案為服務事業勞務成本之提案第32案凍結200萬元委員陳冠廷等提案第33案凍結100萬元 |
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2892.478 |
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五元黃人等提案第34案服務事業服務費用減列20萬元凍結10%五元零儲應等提案第35案至第36案為服務事業管理費用及總務費用之提案第35案凍結100萬元五元黃人等提案第36案凍結800萬元五元馬文君等提案第37案研究發展及訓練費凍結20萬元五元陳冠廷等提案第38案至第39案為 |
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2916.099 |
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福利及文教事業銷貨成本之提案第38案一般服務費減列100萬元5元黃人等提案第39案印刷出版出版品銷貨成本凍結50萬元5元陳冠廷等提案第40案 |
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2934.257 |
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福利及文教事業管理費用及總共費用凍結7000萬元為馬文君等提案第41案服務費用減裂100萬元為黃人等提案第42案至第45案為醫療事業固定資產建設改良擴充之提案 |
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2953.653 |
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第四十二案國軍台中總醫院興建醫療大樓計劃凍結一億元委員馬文君等提案第四十三案凍結五千萬元委員黃仁等提案第四十四案山軍總醫院興建重症醫療大樓計劃凍結一百萬元委員林儲英等提案第四十五案 |
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2967.777 |
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醫療事業繼續計劃凍結7,827,000元委員馬文君等提案第46案醫療事業新興計劃凍結2,000萬元委員馬文君等提案第47至48案為醫療事業專案計劃凍結5,000萬元委員黃仁等提案第48案醫療事業專案計劃凍結1,000萬元委員林益君等提案第49案至第 |
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3006.939 |
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五十四案为主决议,现在宣读主决议之内容。第四十九案,国军生产及服务作业基金生产事业,主要系办理军品生产,原建议军备局应积极寻求稳定的火药供应来源,以确保相关军品生产不致延大。第五十案,国军生产及服务作业基金医疗事业, |
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3031.891 |
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109年抵制、113年8月抵制催收款分别介于1亿5388万9千元至2亿73万9千元间并要求各军医院积极办理催收款之清理体验人、委员、黄人等人第51案国军官兵因资金需求而使用不明网络借贷平台之情形屡见不鲜 |
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3033.278 |
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3052.578 |
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顯示軍儲業務實際功能上代強化為提升業務合法性與實務效益建議國防部應嚴禮相關非營業基金業務之轉型方案並提供官兵多元化的投資及理財工具提案人委員林楚英等人第52案近年醫療服務成本連連攀升 |
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3053.737 |
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3069.711 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
基金醫療事業就該向門診病患醫療成本預算之估列近年來顯有過於保守云宜妥善管控相關成本並參著經營時機核實編列預算體驗人委員林益君等人第五十四案 |
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3092.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
國軍生產期服務作業基金服務事業海軍四海一家因受市場競爭與疫情等種種因素之影響其每年平均住房數不斷下滑予以檢討經營策略並妥謀改善提案人委員林玉君等人第五十四案福利及文教事業青年日報社 |
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| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
3117.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
予以妥謀推廣對策,故《青年日報》應主動與文化部合作與其主管國立文教機構上架《青年日報》文創商品提案人委員林益君等人第五十五案國軍老舊眷村改建基金業務收入凍結2239萬元委員徐巧欣等人提案第五十六案 |
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3144.193 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
業務外收入租賃收入增列五千萬元五元黃人等提案第五十七案成本及費用總計捐助補助與獎助減列一百萬元凍結五百萬元五元零處因等提案第五十八案成本及費用總計雜項費用凍結五百萬元五元黃人等提案五十九案至 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
3146.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
3174.803 |
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65案為主決議現在宣讀主決議之內容第59案據立法院預算中心報告參據國防部統計資料指出儘管國軍老舊眷村改建總冊內待處分之土地面積761.97公頃中待活化卷地面積佔比近市成原請國防部積極辦理相關作業以完成土地活化處分及融資常在 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
3192.393 |
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並保存眷村特色文化提案人委員黃仁等人第六十案國軍老舊眷村改建基金一百一十四年度補助地方政府眷村文化保存開辦費編列一千三百五十萬元與加強控管預算並經濟眷村 |
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3192.873 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
3206.839 |
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文化保存及輔導作業提案人委員黃仁等人第六十一案國軍老舊眷村改建基金一百一十四年度列管眷地之度跟分回房屋圍管費編列一千八百萬元 |
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3208.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
3237.624 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
予以积极办理卷地与相关房产之火化运用工作减轻基金支付单请国防部以三个月内提出书面报告提案人委员陈冠廷等人第62案国军老旧卷村改建基金近年俊改土地处理作业费用颇高国防部予以积极办理卷地与相关房产之火化运用工作提案人委员黄定宇等人第63案国军老旧卷村改建基金114年度针对未出售资 |
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3238.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
3262.238 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
於屋與店鋪441戶所需水電費修理保養及保固費等雜項費用共編列980萬5千元國防部允於積極辦理卷地與相關房產之活化運用工作亦助卷改基金之裁員提案人委員王定宇等人第64案國軍老舊卷村改建基金114年度預算案與業務費用向下 |
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| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
3278.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
並列捐助補助與獎助金金額1350萬元國防部與經濟眷村文化保存及輔導作為更需積極與地方政府合作並能達成眷村文化永續發展與經營之效益提案人委員陳冠廷等人 |
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3280.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
3307.005 |
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一六十五案國軍老舊眷村改建經濟一百一十四年度預算案業務收入銷貨收入科目編列一億九千兩百九十九萬九千元系標售台北市崇仁新村等改建基地店鋪之款項國防部應衡量全盤效益是否採標諸標售並行多元化之作為避免閒置之財以縮眷村改建基金之成效提案人委員陳冠廷等人 |
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3309.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
3320.258 |
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66至76案 系國防醫學院軍事教育基金教學成本支提案66案 水電費減列500萬元 凍結1000萬元委員馬文君等提案67案 水電費凍結100萬元委員陳冠然等提案68案 修理保養及保護費減列300萬元委員黃仁等提案 |
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六九案修理保養及保固費減列兩百萬元凍結八百萬元委員馬文君等提案七十案修理保養及保固費減列一百萬元凍結四百萬元委員林楚瑩等提案七十一案一般服務費減列五十萬元凍結一百萬元委員馬文君等提案七十二案交通及運輸設備租金減列三十萬元凍結十萬元委員馬文君等提案七十三案 |
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3354.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
3364.656 |
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捐助補助與獎助減列10萬元凍結100萬元委員林儲英等提案74案捐助補助與獎助減列300萬元凍結100萬元委員馬文君等提案75案專業服務費減列2000萬元凍結500萬元委員馬文君等提案76案捐助補助 |
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3372.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
3398.713 |
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與獎助檢列三千萬元凍結九百萬元為馬文軍等提案七七至七十八案系服務費用之提案七七案水電費凍結一百萬元為盟定局等提案七十八案凍結三十萬元委員羅美玲等提案七十九至八十案系專案計劃之提案七九案三軍總醫院暨國防醫學院一百一十二至一百一十六年充實軍政醫學設備 |
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| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
3423.358 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
簡列1億元凍結1851萬7千元委員馬文君等提案八十案國軍醫學院軍政醫學網路設備系統提升案簡列600萬元凍結100萬元委員馬文君等提案八十一案一次性項目簡列1000萬元凍結576萬元委員馬文君等提案八十案為主結議 |
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主決議內容為國防醫學院軍事教育基金110-112年公務預算中屬本基金範圍內自籌收入佔總收入比率分別為39.57%、36.56%及36.83%均低於四成建議國防醫學院於三個月內提出改善財務提升自籌收入穩健基金財務的書面計畫83-84案第205簽件 |
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3451.516 |
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3468.011 |
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第205場遷建專案計劃之提案、83案檢列100萬元凍結5億元委員馬文君等提案、84案凍結100萬元委員王定宇等提案、85至87案系資安園區專案計劃之提案、85案檢列2億元委員馬文君等提案86案 |
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3471.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
3497.812 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
檢列五百萬元委員黃仁等提案八七案凍結一百萬元委員王定一等提案八十八至一百零五案系老舊營舍整建計劃之提案八十八案檢列三百萬元委員馬委員羅美林等提案八九案檢列一億元委員馬文君等提案九十案檢列兩億元委員馬文君等提案九十一案檢列五千萬元委員馬文君等提案九十二案檢列五千萬元委員馬文君等提案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
3518.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
93案檢列五千萬元委員馬文君等提案94案檢列五千萬元委員馬文君等提案95案檢列兩千萬元委員馬文君等提案96案檢列五千萬元委員馬文君等提案97案檢列三千萬元委員馬文君等提案98案檢列兩千萬元委員馬文君等提案99案檢列七千萬元凍結五百萬元委員馬文君等提案 |
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3524.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
3539.358 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
100案檢列2000萬元凍結100萬元委員馬文君等提案101案檢列1億元凍結500萬元委員馬文君等提案第102案凍結5000萬元委員黃仁等提案第103案凍結5000萬元委員黃仁等提案第104案凍結1000萬元委員黃仁等提案第105案凍結100萬元委員王定宇等提案第106案至109案為成本 |
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| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
3561.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
及費用總計、工程及設施整建計劃之提案第106案檢列500萬元為馬文軍等提案第107案檢列5億元凍結500萬元為馬文軍等提案第108案凍結1000萬元為勇皇人等提案第109案凍結100萬元 |
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3571.115 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
3586.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
委員王定宇等人提案第一百一十案成本及費用總計一般行政管理計劃請列五百萬元凍結兩千萬元委員馬文君等人提案第一百一十一案國軍營社及設施改建基金成本及費用總計 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
3587.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
3600.643 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
構建固定資產、無形資產、非理財目的之長期投資及營設及設施工程支出減列五千萬元、凍結十億元委員林楚英等提案第112案為主決議宣讀主決議之內容 |
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3603.385 |
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3631.317 |
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第112案根據立法院預算中心報告截至113年9月底前河納國軍營設及設施改建基金來源清澈之待處分營地中上有85公頃逾10年人為移交財政部接管原請國防部檢討因移交而未移交之情勢說明應如何改善上述情況並於三個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告提案人委員黃仁等人宣讀完畢 |
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各位同仁請就座各業館參謀麻煩你按這個順序來坐到部長旁邊我們在協商桌來處理相關的基金預算 |
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先是原則 一樣預算案提案委員不在 原則上不處理我們會併案來處理如果有溝通不良的 我們會移到第二輪來節省時間把時間用在比較有爭議的相關案子基金案也相對單純我們現在來處理是先處理收入看一下 |
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好 我們現在併案我們也是採分支計劃來做合併第一案到第四案是收入這個國軍生產及服務作業基金這四個案併在一起來 請業管單位說明 |
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具備局說明第一至二案為黃人委員關切銷貨收入縮減及軍品結繳進度的硬體非常感謝黃人委員的指導本案已向黃委員說明建起同意並按針類三千萬元以上報告來 黃委員 |
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這個特別提到這個併案陣列的三千萬的原因第一案跟第二案一併處理兩岸關係急劇的惡化經費局應該承擔更大的責任提高產能為國軍部隊提供可靠的裝備因此提案陣列收入 |
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關於T-75K3手槍金貝奇說明205場年產能在3000支目前還有4235支將在今年4月底產資交軍剩餘數已經抽出年產能如何能在4月底全數交軍需要詳細的說清楚好 |
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謝謝黃仁委員那你同意增列三千好第一案到第四案以黃仁委員的第一案為主題案增列三千萬元那這個夜館單位在回覆說明的時候請照委員催詢的部分另外你們的手槍到底 |
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警察沒有訂你們的手槍嘛對然後軍方有現在我們的因為後備戰力的後備戰力其實也很重要但我的意思是說普遍的評價你們的步槍做得好像比手槍好我這樣講是很客氣的說法我已經繞了一圈了我不好意思直接講 |
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你們的手槍有沒有精進的範圍我們這一批生產完之後我們會再去精進下一代的因為這一盤生產完之後會一直那你這樣講我如果是買主我聽到你還要精進下一代我現在訂單絕對收起來沒有我坦白講國軍大家大家因為軍官都用手槍嘛 |
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那我們這個生產的手槍跟步槍手槍確實有待改進我們委員會現在議程都還蠻正常的也許各位同仁也許我們如果還有空檔的話我們排去那個205看一下他們的步手槍上次是我跟林益君召委兩位去是沒錯那我們可以再排一次去看一下你們各國我們國產的手那你們那個6.8的那個有出來了嗎 |
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那個在這個月會出來一個班按照委員但是你們的子彈做得出來嗎你們知道是要變的吧子彈的話我們到時候假如國廠話說我也一定要做出來的你們的彈跟火要這個要加強啦好不好好我們一道四案項處理好我們現在第五案是黃人委員的提案請說明這個是生產服務基金好來那剛才處理完了 |
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來第五案 各位委員大家好第五案為還原委員針對醫療事業114年病患膳食收入增加吸陰單價提高會住院病患增加提列增列其他醫療收入300萬元感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明並依委員提案辦理增列300萬 |
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雖然是經醫有說明歷年病患的膳食服務人日經不固定但依照邏輯住院人數和膳食服務應該是正相關且醫院提供的膳食菜單都應經過專業的營養評估更適合住院病患使用各院鼓勵住院民眾的訂餐所以建議增列300萬 |
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好 第五案照案通過來 第六案請說明第六案為海軍司令部服務收入提案委員為林楚穎委員提案認為預期減少客房服務服務收納檢列問題以示為辦事說明委員同意整列整體的服務收入一百萬元請委員知道來 林委員 |
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海軍這邊已經來溝通過了那他們當初簡列的原因是因為認為這個觀光發展條例70之2條的規範嘛那麼因為現在這個觀光發展條例有一些異動可以延長5年所以我認為這個的話應該就比較不影響到你們四海一家的收入的部分那我們就一樣是用增列100萬嘛好 OK好 所以第六案照案通過了那個海軍參謀長還好吧你的風怎麼變這樣子好 |
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我是擔心你穿難給對面這一排啦好不好多保重好再來第七案生產作業服務基金徐曉鑫委員提案來請說明第七案是徐曉鑫委員針對生服務基金向下各事業 |
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因依預算法將各事業的預算各自編列就是編列分預算這部分我們這邊特別跟委員做個說明我們現行在生福基金向下六個事業是按照立法院101年、104年的決議事項各基金以整併成單一基金為原則來辦理所以我們目前是這六個事業整併成一個生福基金這個部分我跟薛委員說明一下 |
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其實當時他們是分開的為什麼合併呢立法院決議叫他們合併的那當然立法院每一屆不同的決定這個部分是不要動那麼多用改組決議或怎麼樣因為當時是我們好像有兩次一次101年一次是104 |
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就當時是我們立法院決定叫他不要分支要大家合併那當然我們現在也可以建議他分開對 因為我講一下這個因為各式的成本會計編列那這個我們如果要讓大家更一目了然的去看到這個工作績效的話公開透明的話其實我個人因為每一屆想法不一樣我個人認為是分開編列會比較好 |
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那呢不然的話每一次什麼你把它全部裹成一包那有一些部分它是新資新資的部分我們絕對是不想碰到的因為要讓大家能夠正常運作但有一些部分那可能它有各種各式各樣的這個內容嘛你看 |
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業務成本費用管理總務費用服務費用一般服務費那你全部包在一起的話我們沒有辦法很清楚的知道那到底哪一些是屬於勞工權益的部分所以對我們在預算審查部分會有一些困難所以如果召委這邊能夠同意的話我們可以改主決議沒有問題我先提醒一下因為我剛才看了一下這是當時在審查法律案就是行政院主計總署的組織法 |
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我們立法院的院會的附帶決議那個效率會比我們委員會高99年的時候啊我的建議是這樣當然我們每屆委員可以認為要分開就分開啦這個案子用組決議啦然後組決議的話如果許委員這個部分要推動的話事實上我們可以在 |
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二三讀的時候二三讀的時候這組決議通過之後然後立法院表達這個態度那他們又可以分開沒有那這樣如果是這樣子的話還不如就是說你們告訴我們說那你們這邊的底線大概你可以覺得凍結多少費用那我就直接把它放在這邊好了我也就不用改組決議了對因為因為既然九九年的時候他們的合併跟分開布袋決議是有的嘛 |
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國防部的基金的合併分開其實是聽立法院的決議的所以我的意思是說那我乾脆是凍結一個部分那要問一下凍結書這個部分你們可以支持這個認為合理的這個方案是什麼這樣 |
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跟委員說明一下有關剛剛委員所關切的這六個事業它的相關的明細資料其實我們在編預算書表的時候我們都有附上相關明細那後面我們按照委員指導我們會再把它做更詳細的說明讓委員可以了解每個事業它的收支剩餘的一個狀況另外因為這個是管總的費用管總費用這邊編的15億多都是我們約聘僱人員的薪資跟所謂的年考獎的 |
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所以約聘薪資跟人事費用我們當然是沒有要動但是具體而言是多少這邊我們都有詳細的明細列出是15億元全部的一個詳細的編列狀況都是約聘僱人員的相關的金費 |
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是是是那如果是這樣子的話那我們就好我們改組決議表達態度然後希望能夠把它這個未來可以把這個相關的基金那可以寫得更完整好不好是是沒有問題好那個學員看我這樣才是第七案改組決議 |
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那主決議的內容也請國防部未來雖然立法院決議要你們把這些合併但是未來提供給各委員的報告書面報告的時候請把分支項目明細列清楚對應該是說你的預算你是包一包寫在一起嘛對不對但是你的細項的話要提供給我們做更清楚 |
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那我們第七案改組決議好第八到第九案來合併處理來請說明 |
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第八至第九案為陳冠廷及王定宇委員共同關切生產事業、國軍後備部隊兵器類的裝備的整備等軍品未如期自繳的議題本局以實施算盤制每月召開工作管制會議並遵委員的指導在安全無虞之下我們會來執行我們會入立在今年的年終之前會完成截角任務感謝委員的指導本案已向委員口頭或書面說明 |
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現請同意併案修訂為主決議 |
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陳冠廷委員好 謝謝詹委員我們有 辦公室有一個缺少解那我們看到有些延遲是兩年以上的但是我們同意用組決議的方式去改進好 第八到第九案改組決議那組決議請提案委員趕快把原來案子改寫送上來好 我們現在處理的併案是第十案到第十七案的併案處理請那個業管單位說明 |
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第十至第十七案為馬文君委員關切管理及總務費用部分用途別因揭露資料不足不利審查及產品截角進駐等議題感謝馬文君委員的指導以上馬委員說明見請同意第十案凍結一百萬 |
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第十一案檢列三百萬第十二案檢列三百萬第十三案預算照列第十四案檢列五十萬第十五案檢列五十萬第十六案檢列五百萬針對未完成截剿的軍品允於一百一十四年全數截剿新增主決議題案第十七案凍結五百萬 |
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針對外購關鍵料件應有配套措施及205場搬遷進度應儘速完成新增主決議提案報告完畢來我先詢問那個馬委員這個共識OK啦好來請馬委員說10到17他大概有不同的原因那第10案因為我們在這個國軍生產跟服務作業基金裡面我們主要是做督導 |
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所屬生生智中心還有房廠的這個旅運費他算大概新增兩百萬他的金額也不是很高可是因為我們在近年所有的偽軍備局的生產武器包括像我們的輕重狙擊槍還有班用機槍等等所有的包括還有研發的輪型戰 |
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就是我們戰砲車它的產期膠裝都延後所以我們在這個督導上面我們旅運費增加可是我們要怎麼樣去跟上這樣子進度所以統一凍結一百萬今統一後使得凍之好當然跟這個案子未必相關我來宣讀一下剛才你們念的部分因為念得比較快不過我真的提醒國防部跟兵工廠這裡 |
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但要不管是搖兩棟或者搖55或者我們搖動5 |
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如果能夠吸取國外的技術移轉我們就不要土法煉鋼因為那一個同樣的砲彈可以打50公里跟打20公里差很大它出煙的狀況也差很大所以我們以往都習慣人家要計轉了可能我們說我們自己弄比較省錢當然如果能夠省錢又一樣好的話我們尊重但我們還是希望給國軍官兵好的東西尤其彈藥彈藥很重要好不好我們來念第十案 |
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麻煩你檢視一下看有沒有照你們溝通好的第十案凍結100萬元書面報告後你要經同意嗎經同意後使得凍資第十一案檢列300萬元科目執行調整 |
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第十二案主席不好意思我想我們這個都已經討論過就不用再科目自行調整因為對他們來說基金沒有什麼差別啦我們那個大概就用原來的那個預算科目好不好那個準備就OK啦沒問題好那簡列案我從來都在聽什麼 |
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第11號好第11案檢列300萬元第12案檢列300萬元第13案預算照列第14案檢列50萬元第15案檢列50萬元第16案 |
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剪裂500萬元那另外馬委員會提組決議那第17案第17案凍結500萬元書面報告經同意後使得凍資那馬委員另外會提組決議好以上10到17案這樣處理接下來處理不好意思因為我們是有原因就是凍結的理由還有刪減的理由我還是希望稍微講一下 |
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好不好妳說 講一下就剛剛 剛剛對 因為我們妳現在要發言對 剛剛雖然有那個我剛剛是講第十案而已沒關係 請發言沒關係 這OK好 第十一案我們減列三百萬主要是因為我們這個預算是用在修理保養跟保固費那我們看到這個預算裡面把那個包括像一些 |
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防水工程還有周邊的設施整修還有包括圍牆還有道路全部都放在這裡因為這個部分主要是對於銀色修繕裝備維護的部分所以我們希望他很多的預算有些應該用在公開就是我們的公務預算就應該用在公務預算因為 |
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就是才不會有小金庫的概念因為像有些基金我們根本看不到它框一個金額在那裡那你把細項放在裡面有些做的在公共預算就可以編的就像就業安定基金裡面一樣你拿來開演唱會或者拿來裝修辦公室其實都不被接受所以我們希望未來在這個部分雖然我們簡略可是我們也希望未來在編列的時候也要注意到這個部分那第十二 |
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第12案我們簡列300萬因為這個大概是買軟體的部分可是我們也希望可以很清楚的知道這些軟體到底用在哪些廠因為我們有202廠這個部分他做槍的205廠是彈藥209廠是戰車那402廠是做衣服 |
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可是你買的那個軟體看起來只寫16套或者幾套我們不知道你買因為每一場做的東西不一樣你的軟體是不是會一致或者為什麼會需要這樣的軟體這個也沒有說明清楚那我們也希望這個部分我們是用簡略可是在使用預算的時候還是要對我們委員會還是要說明清楚那第13案同意照列 |
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14案3 50我們對於這個案子他是買一些服裝給員工這個我們沒有意見有些福利應該給我們也贊成可是因為就像我們剛剛講的你每個場的那個不一樣那這到底是制服還是一般的服裝我想你如果是制服那每一場大概也不會穿一樣吧 |
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那如果不是制服你又你能夠給多少人然後每人幾件我想這個也可能要去說明詳細一點那15案也是同意三五十這個是食品費用他雖然有新增不過我們希望可以遵截開支那16案的部分這個三五百跟第十案的那個 |
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理由大概差不多就是我們在踢拐弧的手槍還有班用機槍還有T91的這個榴彈槍它全部都延誤膠裝那我們現在在這個案子裡面有說明是說我們有分早晚班 |
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然後我們要去加速它的製作的進度可是我們也不希望說你在催促進度的情況之下會造成安全的疑慮或者剛剛也有建議說像我們的武器裝備如果可以跟國外 |
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或者才有可以取得更好的這些關鍵技術我想其實都可以一併做考量可是最重要的我們還是要有自己尤其是槍炮彈藥這一些在基礎的供應的能力上面我們還是應該要具備而且要把這個能力留在我們國內那所有武器裝備都一樣那另外就是在第17案的這個部分 |
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這個部分在205場這個簽場的時候我們發射藥的取得都是改採國外採購嘛至少在目前是這樣子那我們可能對於韓國的這個發射藥目前取得是有一點問題嗎 |
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還在協調現在就是我們如果說像類似碰到這樣的狀況因為現在每一個地方的區域安全也許都隨時會有一些發生一些狀況因為我們有來自歐洲的美洲的還有亞洲的那如果發生狀況的時候我們是不是有備案這個部分我們也要求用主決議來規範然後也希望可以去重視好 謝謝 |
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好來第十八案那個王定宇委員提案改組決議那我們接下來進行第十九案馬文君委員的提案來請說明第十九案為馬文君委員關切205場光中營區土地污染整治的議題本案是配合政府辦理所需必要的支出感謝委員的支持本案已向委員說明建請凍結一千萬以上報告 |
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這個部分其實在過去我們在審這個預算的時候其實就提出過一些質疑那現在我們還沒有看到他目前執行的狀況或怎麼處理他的廢土的去向因為這個主要是土屋的 |
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整治的一個部分那第一階段其實205場我們這個光中營區我們遷出的時候第一階段總預算而且是污染最嚴重的地方其實我們編了5億6去做這樣土屋的執行可是第二階段突然暴增到37億4千這個37億多是違給高雄市政府執行的 |
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它從112年本來要做到117年那蠻特別的是它可以提前到115年完成是因為沒有這麼多的污染還是有什麼其他的原因我們希望把執行的狀況可以說明清楚而且用書面提供給我們委員會因為這個部分我們認為說在第一階段本來應該污染最嚴重的預算只有5億6可是第二階段是全面性的 |
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它的预算竟然高达3714所以这个部分我们还是希望可以提供比较详细的资料那另外如果说像这一种的可以提早两年完成我们觉得是比较特别就是说你的这些污染防治 |
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可以比我們的期限還快了兩年可是我們所有其他的國防部很多所有的案子不管是武器製造還有銀色的興建等等其實全部都是落後那它的差異在哪裡希望可以說明一下統一凍結一千萬 |
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好 第十九案凍結一千萬國安部可能也要以前舊的營區那些污染後來處理都很貴所以你們現在新的營區特別是做冰工廠的現在的防止污染就很重要了否則未來土地處理成本會更高 |
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黃人委員的第22案改組決議 |
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第二十到二十七案分別為林益君委員、陳冠廷委員、黃仁委員、王定宇委員及習曉勳委員的提案 |
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第二十案為林玉君委員針對醫療事業護理人力缺額日益惡化各醫院有部分負病比為符規定疑失對策緩解護理負荷提案凍結門診醫療成本一千萬元感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明見請同意改列組結議 |
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第二十一案為陳冠廷委員針對醫療事業今年門診病患醫療單位成本逐年攀升顯見利潤也遭侵蝕 提案凍結門診醫療成本一千萬元感謝委員指導 本案已向委員說明 建請同意下修為減列一百萬元 |
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第二十二案感謝黃仁委員改成主決議第二十三案為王定宇委員針對醫療事業一百一十四年度門診醫療服務單位成本決算數逐年上升並屢超預算數不利其營運績效提案凍結門診醫療成本一百萬元感謝委員指導本院已向委員說明建請同意改列為主決議第二十四案我有同意你改主決議嗎 |
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第二十四案為陳冠廷委員針對醫療事業醫療成本編列專業服務費較上年度大幅增加倘電腦軟體及委託檢驗認證為必要支出應檢討設置專業人員以收降低成本之效提案凍結住院醫療成本兩百萬元感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明現請同意改列為主決議 |
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第二十五案為林益君委員針對醫療事業護理人力缺額日益惡化各醫院有部分負病比為符規定疑似對策緩解護理負荷提案凍結住院醫療成本一千萬元感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明 建議同意改列為主決議 |
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第26案為陳冠廷委員針對醫療事業114年各國軍醫院編列題列待賬費用近年期未催收年年增加需加強清理提案凍結住院醫療成本100萬元感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明 建請同意改列為主決議第27案為徐曉新委員針對醫療事業應提高護理人員薪資 |
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津貼指導提案凍結醫療成本500萬元本部就國軍醫院護理人員職長環境改善以提升民聘護理人員的邊缺及待遇提高夜班費津貼訂定留任獎金制度目前國軍醫院一般病患護理師年薪已達70萬以上集中症單位已達85萬以上 |
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以超越護理師公會全國聯合會提出年薪保障70萬元之訴求感謝委員指導見請委員預算同意照列報告完畢好來那個徐曉清委員接下來是林益君委員來請 |
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我在這邊呢本來提的這個凍結並不是真的想要去凍結大家的預算那所以我在這邊先講一下我們的具體理由那我們可以看到這個軍醫局提供的這個說明裡面我們在109年的護理人力預算原額原額是4606人然後113年的時候我們有達到5560人增加1000位 |
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但是在109年實際禁用的人數是4283人113年實際禁用的人數是4440人所以顯見就是說你們增加了這些員額那能夠去負擔這些護理人員的負荷呢並不是它主要的這個標的當然對於我們的護理人員它有很多的一些加急幫助等等我都是贊同的我都是同意的 |
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但現在呢我們希望能夠做一件事情就是我們的這個病戶比的問題還是必須要來處理當然不是只有針對軍醫局所有我們整個台灣的醫院同樣的問題只是因為我們今天身在國防委員會我們針對這個部分來審查 |
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所以雖然我們在薪資上面就您所說的是超越護理師公會保障的年薪但是呢我們現在要談的事情是我們包含是第一個我們的福利津貼如何能夠帶動全國護理人員的待遇提升這是一點第二個是說我們護理人力的尋求來講的話我們有什麼樣的一個管道 |
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能夠禁用足夠多的護理人力那才能去讓他們的工作量能夠做一些減少因為就算你給他比較好的待遇但實際上當他的病戶比仍然是維持在那個水平的時候他們的工作壓力還是很大很多人他覺得說我不是要這個錢我是要一份合理的工時的工作所以這個部分呢我是可以 |
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改列凍結五十萬好不好我就很少很少凍結五十萬那經同意後然後我們來通過不曉得這個不知道委員可不可以改成減列減列一百萬或五十萬你要減列啊減掉五十萬喔因為我是希望因為我是希望得到你們的兩個內兩個月內得到書面回覆包括我們又要砍你的預算 |
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其實主角跟凍結效果是一樣他都要寫報告來啦看你沒有沒有當然我還是必須要凍好不好對啊我還不要那如果你覺得50萬太高我30萬也可以我並不是因為我要再強調一次我並不是要去我並不是要去砍或是凍你們的預算學位沒關係我待會來處理好不好因為 |
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這個那麼少你可以建議啦預算還是委員那一起來決定啦對你可以建議但是我的意思是說我可以在不影響你們的工作的情況之下做一部分的凍結但我的要求在於提出書面報告針對我們護理師的這個薪資保障的整個未來精進規劃以及如何招募到更多的護理師來降低這個醫護比的這個問題 |
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這兩項我希望能夠處理那主決議當然你是要提報告可是我是希望能夠經同意後動之好我現在處理預算第22項林議軍委員好像要發表意見來請說 |
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那針對我的20案和25案因為現在少子化所以各家醫院還有護理人力其實都是嚴重的短缺尤其護理人力還要輪大夜班然後應該要改善護理人員的勞動條件還有薪資的待遇因應未來護理人員的需求所以昨天國防部的軍醫局也有來辦公室跟我解釋 |
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說目前的護理人力其實應該都陸續的達標了所以他們也有承諾說依據床位的動態平衡做護理人力的彈性調整所以我同意主席說看可不可以一起併案處理還有我還要希望再增加一個組決議好 謝謝那我們來處理預算數 |
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第20案林玉君召委的部分改組決議那第21案陳冠廷委員你是減列100嗎我幫你拆開來好不好你減50我這邊減50好 這個陳冠廷委員的第21案減列50萬那你們需不需要科目字條 |
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那個軍醫局不用啦 好OK好 再來22案黃榮委員提案改組決議23案簡列50萬元24案改組決議25案改組決議26案改組決議27案凍結50萬書面報告經同意後 使得凍之可以吧可以啊 要30啊可以可以那要爭取的話沒有問題好 那30萬 |
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其實三十萬跟五十萬你們做的動作一模一樣啦是是是可以啦不過三十萬啦因為他預算是三十萬好不好凍結三十萬書面報告經統一後時得凍之 |
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你們書面報告的部分你們要把紀錄清楚委員問的部分要有答案好不好來那個陳文廷委員好主席我只是就總和從21到27的總和的簡單的平均就是說我們第26的部分就是關於我們希望是惡意逃避醫療費用的還有這個外勞逃逸的這些費用那個有些呆帳的部分希望說報告上面可以講清楚一點以後的解決方案是怎麼樣好這個部分再麻煩一下然後再來就是 |
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我們第28到29案病案處理請就委員詢問跟溝通的公司做說明 |
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第二十八案到第二十九案為馬文君委員提案第二十八案馬文君委員針對醫療事業各醫院對護理人員缺額嚴重顯見各醫院對爭取護理人員就任能有待努力或應有新做法提案凍結管理及總務費費用三千萬元感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明建議同意改列為主決議 |
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第二十九案委員馬文君委員針對醫療事業直指治療系統整備計劃結論反覆不一延長執行至一百一十八年完成事前評估及修訂嚴謹度待加強提案凍結管理及總顧費用一千萬元感謝委員指導本院已向委員說明依委員提案辦理凍結一千萬並向委員會提出書面報告後實的動之來請馬委員 |
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好 謝謝二十八案這個部分同意改組決議因為我們現在護理師全國缺額非常嚴重不過我們以現在護理師的這個評比其實台中榮總是最高的所以其實我們可以大家可以互相交流學習那這個部分改成組決議的原因 |
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護理師現在的缺額可能並不只是薪資的問題還包括他的相對的福利業務工作等等我想這個可能都可以做一些調整像有一些醫院其實他們是有提供宿舍或者社團的活動就是他的軟硬體可能也都會相對的去考慮那這個部分再請我們軍醫局也去做一個衡量 |
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那29案的部分這個部分我們強烈要求因為醫學中心的子子治療系統的這個計劃他本來的期程113年可是現在要延到118年才會完成他一下子延了5年不過我們對於他的期程我想 |
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軍事局可以再去做更多的一個妥適的考量那這中間我們最大的問題還有要求是它的設置地點其實在我們這個園區周邊其實它都還有這個地點可是它現在要設置的位置是要把大體老師的紀念園區把它 |
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算是挖楚會牽引因為去動這個位置我們覺得非常不合宜 |
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紀念碑也是因為它本來就沒有大體啊它本來就沒有大體它已經捐出去了所有的家屬如果要懷念他們就是在這個我們所有的紀念公園的意義是什麼可是你為了要蓋這個它明明還有其他的選擇跟考量可是你選擇大體老師的紀念園區這是非常不恰當的因為大家我想這個部分我們強烈要求一定要更改位置地點 |
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那甚至我們現在的一個軍政大樓也剛在興建我們放在裡面其實也沒有什麼不可以啊因為比如說像北榮像中國醫藥學院大家都有做然後他現在坐在自己原來的醫療大樓裡面也沒有什麼問題所以這個部分我們強烈要求凍結一千萬 |
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書面報告均同意後實的動之好28案改組決議29案凍結1000萬書面報告均同意後實的動之我請教國防部我們曾經有個決議通過你們現在互效這個 |
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護專啊大學護理系畢業的義男如果他服役是一年期的他是去當步槍兵還是會列到會安排到我們軍醫部門要專長試才試用你不要這邊會的你不用然後這邊要重新訓練一批就可惜了同樣醫學院的學生來的話是到軍醫單位嗎對 |
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因為他們四個月全部都列補槍兵沒有 全動數都更改 照專長來分好 謝謝第三十案 林益君召委的提案 請說明第三十案為林益君委員針對醫療事業國際醫院民診處各項服務提列呆帳今年期末節欠數居高不下 催收醫療款 |
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向處理代加強提案凍結業務外費用一千萬元感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明進行同意改列為主決議來請林議軍委員 |
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因為這個案子我是發現這幾年整體催收款項的期末結欠數其實非常的高啦都居高不下然後而且足年都增加然後部分醫院都用轉賬呃轉銷待賬的方式去清洗清理這些欠款的比例非常的高可是昨天國防部軍醫局有來我辦公室有解釋過 |
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但是他們國軍醫院其實欠款呆帳的時候他們有解釋說這是因為社會公益的救護的責任還有急診需要協助還有生活困苦那些無健保身份外籍人士入島的遊民這些的緊急醫療還有住院的原因所以並不是故意不積極清理呆帳的作業因為他這樣的說明的時候其實因為我以前在國軍醫院呆過所以我覺得之前是真的是有這樣的 |
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都會有這樣的案子出現所以我想說看在國際醫院基於社會公益發揮國軍的大愛的救人移民的情況下我想還是同意預算照列來改成組決議但是最後一句新增組決議我想要把它改成要求國防部應加強該基金醫療事業應收醫療欠費的清理作業避免提高待戰的風險以利財務健全要求兩個月內提出書面報告 |
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第三十一案為陳冠廷委員針對醫療事業逐年調整護理人員預算原額為不見效益能因缺額減少服務量能 |
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至無法達成營運績效 因失良策改進 提案凍結成本及費用總計100萬元感謝委員指導 本案已向委員說明 建請同意改列為主決議來 請陳冠廷委員我們初步同意 就是同意的意思但是看2014年它是已經編到6000人 但是實質上經由人數只有4000多人所以這差1000多 |
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那我想這一個這部分我們是希望如果不用預算的方式去的話那就是希望說可以用主決議的方式把這一個未來的改進方向講一下是謝謝委員知道好我們31案改組決議接下來處理併案處理32案跟33案陳冠廷委員跟黃仁委員提案請說明 |
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徐委員聽到你的聲音說不忍心那你們看怎麼處理預算 |
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這個我們是同意是改組決議但是在後面的不要上來每個都掃聲哈但海軍這個四海一將我看連續多年是有低於這個營業的目標那可能是因為畢竟自己是作戰軍種可能沒有辦法經營那現在改成委外那但是還是希望有一些海軍的元素在裡面畢竟有這樣子的傳統在好不好是 |
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最主要是這邊33跟35案都是關於這個海經的四海一家經營的成效的問題那四海一家近年來這個 |
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住房率非常的低站在政府資產的一個角度上來看是浪費了一個這樣的一個問題所以這邊是特別提出了一個這樣的一個想法那改成為主決議好我們謝謝兩位委員那也請邱參謀長身體保重32案到33案改主決議再來34案我們請這個林楚雲委員的提案是空軍的部分請說明 |
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空軍報告 第34案為林楚瑩委員關切球場Youtube及臉書經營成效已赴委員辦公室說明 經同意預算減列二十萬 恭請委員知道來 請林委員我先講結論 就同意就是三二十萬 然後其他不凍結 |
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因為我們這個CCK說實話啦生意興隆啦也不太需要這個再去推廣YouTube不過在這個資料的部分我發現一個狀況可能我還是要提出來就是因為生意興隆的關係你們的這個刷卡費其實編列的預算跟決算之間有非常大的落差比如說113年你們編了95萬可是刷卡費的手續費因為這個是要付給這個就是信用卡公司的是高達到160 |
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等於是說你的預算才編96萬但是呢你每一年都是決算的時候比預算高出非常多那我覺得其實你從這個營業額你就可以去推估我其實希望的為什麼要砍這個20萬是因為我認為希望未來在編列預算的時候是要何時編列因為你每一年其實你都編90萬但是呢你每一年的決算從109年到現在都是130幾萬 |
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那這兩個之間的落差是非常大的所以我希望在一百一十四年那你們這一次你們編的一千就是一百二十萬可能會比較接近另外就是有關於信用卡這個刷卡的部分我問了一下我知道你們是現在跟和庫合作嘛是 |
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那麼我也建議你們其實可以透過推台灣Pay因為本席過去在財委會的時候台灣PayPay得很辛苦CCK既然是我們自己國軍的那就是那很謝謝這個參謀長你們給的資料非常的豐富就是仔細然後詳盡然後我們也看到更多的問題那台灣Pay你們也馬上去聯絡會安裝了對給你們高度肯定這個所以你預算數是還是320剪裂20你高度肯定還剪裂20 |
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沒有 因為他們還是有在預算基金預算編列上面我覺得這個預算決算之間的差異對 溝通好了那我們34案簡列20萬這個需不需要科目字條 |
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你們沒有科目的問題吧沒有OK 簡列20萬來35到36案我先說明35萬黃人委員改為主決議那請就這兩案進行說明35 36案一樣是四孩一家的一個收度問題也經委員同意要改主決議請委員知道好 謝謝黃人委員那馬委員呢來請說明 |
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那個36四海一家啦四海一家那個同意海改組原因因為就是經營的模式可能要創新一下對你們碧海那個有沒有恢復營業了有 現在他是用韓國烤肉的方式做在碧海做韓國烤肉不好吃生意是生意的他去做韓國烤肉怪怪的 |
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好 那個35 36案感謝委員都同意改為主決議第37案改為主決議那個陳管理委員如果委員確認的話我就直接唸下去啦37案改主決議我們在主決議的時候再來進行討論來 38案那個黃榮委員提案改 |
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現在現在你要說明嗎現在現在是清泉崗的那個球場嘛我看那個清泉崗的球場他那個每年只要繳3300塊錢的年倍是這樣嗎然後那個年度的是就過去的這個固定的252元現在只要繳3300元他是什麼 |
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之前成立的時候是繳12萬然後另外年度的只有44個浮動要繳3.3萬我們意思是說這個明顯低於這個市價啦我是說可以你們自營就是要把它營利提高的話那可能要調整一下陳管理委我以前在空軍服務那個球場的價格不僅低於市價品質也遠低於市況 |
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沒有沒有 現在CK已經改善非常多所以營業額每年都超過他們就是剛剛我講就是他們生意太好以致於刷卡手續費越來越多坦白講不是你們本業啦 |
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好沒關係我改天有空再過去我不會打球沒關係我是負責撿球的好這個38 39案改為主決議那委員垂詢的部分請業管單位注意來接下來第40案第40案請說明 |
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各位委員好 政戰局報告有關馬文君委員第40案針對改善銷售以及作業環境鼓勵國軍向福利機構採購的案子感謝委員指導前已向委員辦公室說明 建請改列主決議請委員指導來 馬委員請 |
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這個部分我們同意改組決議可是我們還是希望我們可以有更積極的作為因為我們現在還是有福利總署雖然現在7-11跟全家等等這些都已經進駐到營區裡面大家可能也習慣去那邊去做一些採購可是我們福利總署其實它存在的必要是比如說我們當有天然災害發生的時候我們有很多的物資 |
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的運補其實可能大概都是靠我們福利總署這邊去提供那福利總署還有一個最大的優點就是他會提供5%的金額回饋給官兵嘛所以如果說他同時存在因為現在變成福利總署他在福利站的那個 |
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經營非常非常的辛苦那如果說像比如說我們在演習或者我們單位需要的時候比如像泡麵還有飲用水這種東西其實盡量盡可能的在我們福利總處去採購要不然他們要維持然後他又可以提供5%給官兵去做福利的使用那你其他的廠商根本沒有 |
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所有的利潤都他們賺走了所以我們希望在這裡主決議主要的精神是希望可以在這個部分把5%的回饋在官兵身上的這個部分我們一定要讓他可以好好的維持下去那福利總處其實也稍微要調整一下不然他現在沒有辦法競爭賣的東西很像我們早期的雜貨店一樣 |
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那個部分一直沒有什麼大改變所以我們如果可以採購的盡量我們在可以買的大量的應該要跟他買請偵證局以具體作為來回應馬委員的主決議我請問一個問題但是你們不知道不用急著回答我們現在進駐的這些全家7-11什麼的上一次裴若曦離開之後7-11他們的報告板被 |
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被駭客入侵全部改成簡體制啊什麼的我們進入營區的有沒有這個情形你們有沒有瞭解這個我們去瞭解一下好不好我要瞭解就是說我們現在讓外單位進駐營區資安啊人安啊這些該做這個部分沒有 |
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確實沒有,去了解一下啦,我只是提問,因為這跟預算無關啦我也接著那個我們交委的詢問一下就是說像他們如果有進駐到我們營區裡面啊那像比如說7-11全家這些便利商店他們一定都會安裝他們自己的監視器那他們的監視系統跟我們國軍的這個部分是有聯動還是他們自己外卡的因為 |
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對啊對啊那我知道嘛所以我的意思是說那這樣子的話那我們國軍包含是採買等等的就進出的狀況其實都隨時有可能就是從外線然後就進來就掌控在這個營區裡面的商店的問題耶就這相關的資安的你去了解一下再回覆我們這個跟預算有關那如果說你們反正了解到確實有問題那就先即刻改善我覺得是 |
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是謝謝委員 了解狀況那委員其實我們都可以隨時詢問啦好不好這個給政政局一個科目我是一個好奇就是上一次7-11它的那個報告板它那個螢幕通通被駭客入侵置換了如果軍區的沒有那也許軍區的做法可以借給他們當借鏡啦是 這個是你了解啦好接下來第41案環保委員提案請說明 |
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委員好第41號黃委員提案一致委員辦公室說明完畢同意簡列金額下修為20萬元懇請委員指導來黃委員這個本案增加的預算主要是為台東赴這個公站的道路排水系統整修228萬餘考量到預算需求以及經費應該遵截應用同意減少 |
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檢列20萬元第41案這個不用科目字條了OK好來第42到45案併案處理請業管單位說明軍醫局 |
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委員好 第42案到45案分為馬文君委員黃仁委員及林楚英委員的提案第42案為馬文君委員針對醫療事業台中總醫院新建醫療大樓計劃結案時程延至115年預算增加7億元為避免回收時程過長或浪費預算情形提案凍結該專案計劃1億元感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明 建請同意預算照列 |
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第43案為黃任委員針對醫療事業台中總醫院新建醫療大樓計劃113年截至11月預算執行率僅63.12%提案凍結專案計劃5000萬元感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明 建請同意改列組決議 |
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第44項為林柱英委員針對醫療事業三軍總醫院新建重症醫療大樓計劃統包公司沙士車交通事故事件應強化行人通行空間規劃及交通標示符合現場需求 |
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保障公共安全提案凍結該專案計畫100萬元感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明依委員提案辦理凍結100萬元並向委員會提出順便報告後,使得動之第45案委員馬文君委員針對國軍高雄總醫院等國軍醫療服務機構建置長照大樓提供住宿室 |
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社區市長照服務應在考量全案規劃提案凍結繼續計劃782萬7千元感謝委員指導 |
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因為這個計畫說實在我們的軍醫院雖然我們是軍方醫院但暫時應該以戰傷為主但是平常的醫療需求還是有社區照護的責任非常感謝委員平常對我們軍醫局非常的支持真的非常感謝是不是可以見請委員免以凍結或者支持我們的計畫謝謝委員馬委員 |
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你們有溝通過嗎我本來是全三啦我有理 我有原因啦 |
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其他委員我先馬文君的委員的第四十二案照列沒問題然後黃仁委員的四十三案改組決議然後林楚英委員的四十四案就照案凍結一百萬書面報告後使得凍之好那現在就是第四十五案有關軍醫院業務裡面有長照的部分請馬委員來 |
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這個部分我們認為軍醫院因為你如果說像其他的醫院比如說像我們的榮總體系的醫院還有像我們的退輔會其實都有這些相關的一些不管是日照長照或者住宿型的這些照護等等其實都有在做 |
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而且其實是符合他們的需求可是軍醫院為什麼我們認為是非常不恰當因為軍醫院它最重要的是軍政醫療為主它的對象就是軍人跟軍眷軍人如果在服役期間受傷最多治療三個月如果超過半年大概就要退伍了 |
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所以其實他們沒有長照的這樣的需求大概也沒有什麼日照或住宿如果他們退役以後其實他們就是由退府會來接手所以他如果需要這樣子的服務其實是在這樣子的一個條件之下就可以有一個長照的一個照護那現在高雄總醫院在岡山跟鳳山同時都要新建住宿型還有長照的這樣的一個大樓 |
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我們是覺得非常不恰當因為現在最近這幾年我們看到不管國防的預算還有很多基金的預算尤其是基金我們國防預算大概都是在強調我們現在如果兩岸發生什麼樣衝突的時候我們現在應該要怎麼樣去做一些戰傷的一個救治或者我們甚至編了非常非常多的經費都是在包括 |
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我們的局長特別還提到我們前進我們所有的對外科的這些中心就是實際上可以施作的我們有很多的經費照理說就應該用在這裡因為這不是我們應該要做的你像社區的這些服務也不是我們軍醫院要做的所以 |
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原則上我們認為這筆預算根本就不應該用而且也會讓人家質疑因為現在不管是長照日照或者住宿型的這些其實是非常搶手那現在最簡單的因為如果民間業者想要投入這個區塊他必須要去 |
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採購土地 還要去變更土地 還要變更它的使用需求然後還要再去興建 大家可能都要投資成本可是如果在我們相關的這些不管是退府體系的 或者我們融種體系或者甚至像我們的軍醫院如果是蓋這個那以後它一定是委外 它不可能自己經營那等於是給廠商方便而已 |
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所以我們是不是需要投入這樣的一個經費在我們現在這麼需求尤其在軍醫院需求這麼大的情況之下我們寧可這些錢其實拿來用在我們的設備有些醫療設備或者人員的運用上面它增加任何的福利也好其實照理說它應該要使用在這裡讓軍醫局說明一下好不好來 |
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謝謝委員給我們很好的建議因為我們其實先前跟委員請教過兩次那剛才也有跟委員稍微做短暫的溝通跟請示那委員給我們一些營運項目還有營運一些方向的建議那我們會按照委員的建議 |
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來做一些營運的方向跟項目的一些修改那的確也除了戰傷救護是我們最首要之重的確也有一些社區的需求所以是不是建請委員就按原來的凍結凍結數來凍結我們繼續來做一些檢討改進然後再跟委員做報告來做一些方向的所以凍結數沒有意見OK凍結是全凍782萬 |
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這是全部啦因為我們再一次強調其實像我們光不是那種全面性的戰爭的情況之下我說戰爭狀態我說沒有我們當時在發生921大地震的時候我們的醫院就是兩家普利最重要的或者其他的醫院其實它光是收容受傷的患者還有放大體就是遺體的部分其實都沒有其他的空間所以我們希望軍醫院 |
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不是負責去做社區服務我們是以軍政醫療為主而且他照顧的對象是軍人所以我再次強調如果要變成全棟我們希望是可以朝這個方向去做考量跟規劃他營運的方向會來思考我不知道北部怎麼樣 |
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其實很多地方像東部南部缺乏醫療資源有時候軍醫院是當地唯一的醫療資源那肩負著社區的照顧醫療其實有時候這個醫療資源比較不足的地方軍醫院在平時擔負的一些任務我們很感謝那當然馬委員也有你的道理啦當然我是說這個部分大家可以多思考一下那這個案子就照782萬主席我再補充一下啦 |
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如果說我們用一塊土地我們去蓋一個大樓其實我們的日照中心收容的大概就是30位你即使在整個區域我們那邊也都是偏鄉啊可是你蓋了一個醫療大樓你即使是有兩層樓你一次可以收容大概就30位所以對這樣子的社區服務我覺得不是在我們這個醫院 |
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我知道 就我在說這個凍結是這樣OK啦我們就這凍結讓軍醫局去思考全面性的有時候每個不同區域的軍醫院也許有不一樣的考量啦好 接下來那個 所以對啊 就凍結啊 到782萬啦然後書面報告經同意後 使得凍結好 謝謝好 再來處理第46案 請說明 |
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46號案為馬雲君委員針對醫療事業近年固定資產計劃與辦理計劃變更114年又提出山津總醫院基隆分院醫療大樓新建工程等新增案為避免產生回收時期過長或有浪費基金預算之情形提案凍結新興計劃2000萬元感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明建請同意下修為凍結1000萬元提出書面報告後時的動之 |
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那個馬委員凍結一千萬 |
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46這個部分其實大概主要是我們看到國防部以外像我們軍醫局這一段時間我們有三個新建工程大概也都是不管是工程的延宕也好或者增加預算不然就是減量減相我們希望這個狀況不要再發生所以我們統一凍結一千萬可是希望可以改善這些狀況謝謝 |
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我們第46案凍結1000萬元書面報告經同意後使得凍資來4748併案處理請說明第47到48案分別為黃仁委員及林玉菊委員提案第47案為黃仁委員針對醫療事業固定資產專案計劃其中5案曾因經費不足辦理計劃修訂事前評估及修訂過程之嚴謹度容待加強提案凍結專案計劃5000萬元 |
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感謝委員指導 本案已向委員說明 建請同意改列為主決議第48案為林義軍委員針對醫療事業直子系治療系統整備案檢討過程及內容嚴謹度待加強令新興計劃案應參酌以往經驗合理估列預算並加強督考 必利工程如期完成提案凍結專案計劃1000萬元感謝委員指導 本案已向委員說明 建請同意改列為主決議來 兩位委員改主決議OK啦 |
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說明一下最主要還是要提醒國防部事前規劃要有嚴謹以三種停車的問題不只是就醫民醫生載道那民醫院載道連醫院的工作人員也感到不便這些都是一開始就應該設想到的一個問題所以你們要有所一個嚴謹的一個好林議區委員 |
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針對48案我看了那個固定資產建設改良擴充的計劃預算的變更的增加好像每次都是說是COVID-19還有二五戰爭的影響然後執行率都不佳這樣我覺得這方面是需要檢討而且但是我看這整個預算支出大部分都已經是簽約了和支付工程的費用 |
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最主要是有一個我覺得說好不容易已經買了一個全台灣少數醫院擁有的然後而且只有國軍體系裡面唯一的治療癌症治療的使用的這個子子治療的系統這個醫療設備我覺得是在國軍官軍的官兵的那個整個醫療服務 |
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福利上是真的是還蠻不錯的就是給他們一個比較好的醫療福利一個保障所以我是希望能夠把計劃明細還有後續整個計劃修訂提出書面報告然後我同意預算照列然後改成組決議 |
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好 我們4748兩岸改組決議那我先徵求在場委員同意一下因為我們很多提案改組決議還沒有送來所以我現在如果併案要處理這個國軍生產及服務作業基金的組決議起處理的話可能反而時間會耽誤我們是不是待會不管是眷改啦或者是國軍生產及服務作業基金新增的組決議我們通通挪到最後面一併處理以免委員都要趕著寫這個組決議這樣各位委員有沒有意見 |
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好 沒有意見的話我們現在先處理我們所有新增或改列組決議的部分挪後最後處理不管哪一個基金那我們現在先照宣讀的程序來處理49案到54案的這個組決議 |
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一樣 照案通過就照案通過 按文字修正通過就按文字修正通過來第49案主決議來依提案辦理好 照案通過第50案主決議依提案辦理照案通過51案主決議依文字修正後的提案辦理好 那個林委員文字修正你有沒有意見 |
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沒有意見好按文字修正後通過52案主決議依提案辦理好照案通過53案主決議依文字修正後提案辦理來林玉君委員文字修正有沒有意見沒有意見好53案按文字修正後通過54案主決議依文字修正後提案辦理好那個林玉君委員有沒有意見 |
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沒有意見好54案主決議案文字修正後通過好接下來處理國軍老舊眷村改建基金先從收入部分開始第一案徐曉欣委員的提案來請說明委員好好來麥克風這裡對面 |
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幫大家省時間喔那我這邊只有幾個問題就是說我這邊可以改組決議但是呢你們回覆的書面的這個第二頁的部分喔那就是因為永康委員不在那所以我代替他講一下就是他們國會辦公室在113年7月24號的時候有請國安局一起研討說請國安局先清查眷戶的住用資格 |
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但是我們詢問國安局的時候是還沒有拿到的那因為我們今天省國防部所以我只是提一下有這件事情跟大家報告那呢好因為我們現在就是在捲改條例的這個部分是沒有納入國安局跟國安會的所以我們這裡會去做一個提案因為呢 |
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這個沒有列入國安局跟國安會的時候我們在整個卷改的時候經常會碰到三不管地帶那我們要找國防部也不對找國安局國安會他說我們沒有在那個條例裡面不關我的事所以在這個部分呢我可以改成主決議那但是呢也希望就是說國防部能夠支持說把這個國安局跟國安會一起納入我們的卷改條例的第三條條文修正案以上 |
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好 那是另外一個案子了到時候提案再來處理我們今天先處理預算55案改組決議來 56案黃仁委員的提案請說明 |
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第56案為黃仁委員針對租賃收入增列5000萬元的提案感謝委員的指導本案已經向委員辦公室說明建請同意改列主決議來 請黃仁委員因為最主要提醒政戰局積極活化資產避免造成物件的閒置不請浪費還有很多支出的管理費用本項租賃收入每年編列 |
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借偏低 曾暗己在估計這個租賃收入時的時候更詳情的一個精確 好不好好 謝謝委員 請黃榮委員同意改組決議了好 麻煩組決議提出那第57案林楚穎委員提案 請主管單位說明 |
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第五十七案為林楚瑩委員針對捐助補助跟獎助減列一百萬元及凍結五百萬元的提案本案已經向委員說明建請同意預算三減一百萬凍結一百萬向委員會提出書面報告後使得動之 |
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好 這個就是這樣 但是我要先提出來一下就是徵戰局 我發現就是基金都有同樣一個狀況就是你們111年度預算是600萬 但是決算是2395萬這個差距是很高 尤其是112年你們的預算是369萬 但決算是3041萬 是9倍 |
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那我希望其實我的我提出來凍結的原因跟刪除的原因都是希望你們既然預算可以核實編列你們就把預算拉高那因為像這種老舊眷村改建的基金他們該怎麼用或怎麼用其實多數的委員也都不會反對 |
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但是我比較在乎的是說你們在預算編列的過程的精準度好嗎那你們113年度一樣是嘛決算740萬嘛預算740萬但決算是1300多萬又是兩倍那希望在這個部分能夠不要在編的時候編得少少的 |
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然後到時候用的時候因為基金的你們使用的方式比較有彈性那就會變成是預算決算之間差異很大這個其實是我覺得我要提出來的部分那我請政經局或相關單位改善因為預算失真我們省預算就意義不大就是說一年兩年還可以理解如果長年都 |
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決算數跟預算數差了幾倍以上這個可能你們在預算辨列上可能要注意數目字是 這個部分我們會協同各縣市政府一起共同來談對 因為他們這個卷改其實都跟地方政府有關係有時候今年任督兩脈打通了他就執行多一點打不通就一直卡在那裡好 這個57案剛才預算數沒有問題就是簡列100萬元 |
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然後凍結100萬元那凍結數書面報告後使得凍資來第58案黃仁委員提案請說明第58案為黃仁委員針對土地處理作業費凍結500萬元提案感謝委員指導本案已經向委員辦公室說明建請同意改列主決議來請黃仁委員因為這個是在第56案包含58案是議題兩面 |
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那經過說明在這幾年的三年騰空卷地辦理短期活化租金收益皆有增加所以同意主決議我們58案改列主決議接下來處理卷改基金的主決議那一樣再跟本會的委員同仁報告因為主決議像剛才這樣臨時改主決議所以委員要提出主決議文會慢一點所以我們剛才已經 |
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徵求大家同意把所有新增改列組決議的案挪到最後我們待會最後的時候就不分哪個基金就循序把它處理完那現在先處理宣讀過的組決議案好 一樣照案通過或者是照文字修正通過請各位委員注意一下看一下自己的提案來第59案組決議1提案辦理好 照案通過 |
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我們捲改基金這個階段先處理完畢現在來處理 |
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國防醫學院軍事教育基金這個教育基金能夠設立其實是一個里程碑請第一個提案馬委員66案到76案併案處理來 請國防醫學院業管在嗎人呢 軍醫局在廁所 |
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沒關係 我們休息三分鐘我該不該吐出去的話收回來我們繼續處理部長需不需要休息不用了 |
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來我們回來處理66案到76案國防醫學院軍事教育基金請就66案到76案那業務主管機關請說明 |
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各位好,第66案到76案,分別為馬文君委員、陳冠廷委員、黃榮委員及林楚英委員提案。第66案,馬文君委員針對軍教基金教學成本、水電費114年新增預算超出台電、台水等公司年度漲價費率,提案檢列500萬元及凍結1000萬元。感謝委員指導。本案已向委員說明,建請同意預算照列。 |
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第67案 陳冠廷委員針對軍教基金教學成本水電費較上年度預算編列增加幅度逾30%來 提案委員不在不予處理 下一案第68案 黃仁委員針對軍教基金教學成本修理保養及保固費編列預算較上年度成長幅度達85%提案減列300萬元 感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明 建請同意下修為減列100萬元 |
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第69案為馬雲軍委員針對軍教基金教學成本修理保養及保固費新增預算相關揭露資料無法說明原因提案檢列200萬元及凍結800萬元感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明建請同意預算照列 |
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第七十案林楚英委員針對經教基金教學成本修理保養及保固費編列預算較上年度成長幅度達82%提案檢列100萬元及凍結400萬元感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明建請同意預算檢列100萬元及凍結數下修為10萬元並向委員會提出書面報告後實則動之 |
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8068.803 |
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第七十一案為馬文君委員針對軍教基金教學成本一般服務費新增預算揭露資料為說明預算編列方式提案簡列五十萬元及凍結一百萬元感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明建起同意預算簡列五十萬元 |
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8086.376 |
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第七十二案為馬雲軍委員針對軍教基金教學成本交通局運輸設備租金新增預算揭露資料為說明預算編列方式提案簡列三十萬元及凍結十萬元感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明建請同意預算照列 |
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8103.873 |
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第73案為林楚瑩委員針對軍教基金教學成本捐助補助及獎助編列預算較上年度成長幅度達8.5倍提案減列10萬元及凍結100萬元感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明見請同意預算照列 |
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8121.435 |
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第七十四案為馬雲軍委員針對軍教基金教學成本捐助補助與獎助新增預算揭露資料為說明預算編列方式提案簡列三百萬元及凍結一百萬元感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明見請同意預算照列 |
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第七十五案馬雲軍委員針對軍教基金建交合作成本專業服務費新增預算揭露資料為說明預算編列方式提案簡列兩千萬元及凍結五百萬元感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明見請同意改列組決議 |
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第76案為馬文君委員針對軍教基金建交合作成本捐助補助與獎助新增預算揭露資料為說明預算編列方式提案簡略3000萬元及凍結900萬元感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明 建請同意預算照列好我先詢問各位委員剛才念的預算處理是不是都有共識了那我們是不是就照共識處理有沒有需要發言的委員好來馬委員 |
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8177.961 |
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有些預算我們同意照列不過因為在幾個案子裡面其實它新增的預算很高比如說像69案新增預算大概高達1400多萬那細項是有提供的不過我們希望說這些研究計畫或者它在後續可以提供相關的成果報告到底我們做了什麼樣的一個研究計畫等等 |
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| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
8213.913 |
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那另外在七十二案的部分七十四案這個也是在補助的部分國防醫學院這個是提供給學生出國實習還有志工服務的這個部分可是大概增加了四百多萬 |
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8238.934 |
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那他人數是不是增加或者去了哪些國家的交流這個也提供一些相關的資料另外就是在75案的部分我們同意照列然後加組決議不過這個今年新增的預算也高達2800多萬那這個部分跟國科會的專案合作那成果也希望可以適時的說明 |
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以上 謝謝好 那沒關係 我來處理預算我先講一下我的那個70案的部分因為我本身是支持這個基金的使用啦那所以說就是3減100動10萬那因為你們已經提出說明了然後另外就是73案我就測案預算照列謝謝維恩 |
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好來我來處理預算數六十六到七十六案第六十六案預算照列六十七案因提案委員不在我們就不予處理六十八案簡列一百萬六十九案預算照列七十案 |
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檢列100萬凍結10萬書面報告後使得凍資71案凍結50萬書面報告麻煩這個要檢列50萬檢列50萬72案照列73案照列74案預算照列 |
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8325.803 |
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七十五案改組決議七十六案預算照列那請各位回應這些不管是凍結的說明或者組決議的時候請包含各委員書面或口頭垂詢的部分好 以上到七十六案來 七十七到七十八案請說明七十七到七十八案分別為王定宇委員及羅美玲委員提案第四七案為王定宇委員針對軍教基金服務費用水電費較上年度預算增幅逾三成 |
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8327.144 |
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來 請羅美玲委員 |
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好有關於這個水電費的這個部分是有來說明我可以照列可以列主決議那因為我這一案是跟我們召委是同一案那就看我們召委已經改主決議了你改主決議了是不是那我們這邊就改主決議好謝謝來77到78案改主決議那請各位委員的助理同仁盡快把主決議的書面送到前面來否則待會來不及宣讀 |
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接下來處理79到80案請說明第79到80案為馬文君委員提案第79案為馬文君委員針對軍教基金編列112到116充實軍政醫學設備案114年預算與本部114年主管公務預算所編列預算數不相同提案減列1億元 |
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8435.589 |
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凍結1851萬7千元感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明建請同意預算照列第八十案為馬文君委員針對軍教基金編列國軍醫院軍政醫學網絡設備系統提升案114年預算與本部114年主管公務預算所編列預算數不相同提案簡列600萬元凍結100萬元感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明建請同意預算照列 |
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8437.088 |
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8437.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
來8元招獵嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
8438.837 |
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8467.277 |
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同意照列好 79案到80案兩案預算同意照列來 第81案請說明第81案為馬文君委員針對軍教基金編列一般建築及設備項目114年預算與本部114年主管公務預算所編列對基金補助金額數無法勾基提案減列1000萬元 凍結576萬元感謝委員指導本案已向委員說明 建請同意預算照列 |
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8469.51 |
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OK來81案同意照列好82案是主決議那個因為部門委員剛到我再說明一次因為有很多提案臨時改主決議所以主決議的書面有時候會來不及送上來所以本席先按剛才宣讀的主決議處理那後續改列主決議的文字補上之後我們全部不分哪一個基金別挪後最後再來一併宣讀一併處理 |
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| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
8514.284 |
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好 我們在國防醫學院的教育基金有一個主決議陳冠廷委員的主決議來 請說明以文字修正後提案辦理好 照案通過好 接下來來處理第83案到84案這個引改基金的 |
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來 請說明來 麻煩金額OK啦 |
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這個部分這是委高雄市政府不過它的工程是廠房的部分它要分工程跟設備那設備的部分中科院這個部分其實在工程跟設備的部分其實是常常發生不合的狀況一直改來改去那現在嚴重落後如果從預算書上面看它大概就是落後20億 |
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8566.285 |
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8574.852 |
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7000多萬的這樣子的一個工程進度所以我們希望凍結預算以後儘速的可以把相關的情形可以做一個改善 |
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8598.283 |
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謝謝馬文 我們一人分一千來 83案凍結一千萬元書面報告經同意後 使得凍資那84案凍結一千萬元書面報告後 經同意使得凍資那兩案是 案有一樣啦所以你們書面報告一份就可以了好 接下來第85到87案請說明第85 第87案 馬文君 |
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8617.437 |
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黃仁及王定宇委員共同關切治安園區專案計劃議題感謝委員的指導本案已向委員口頭或書面說明第85案建請同意減列五千萬第86及87案建請同意併案減列五千萬請知道來那個馬委員預算書OK啦這也是落後啦對啦所有的進度都落後好這三案我來做一下分配啦來黃仁委員請說 |
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因為治安的原期計劃預算進度每年都遭受到一個質疑因為這都是一個問題所在目前工程進度的才百分之三十計劃期程僅剩兩年所以積極辦理趕快避免到時候又要工期延宕所以改為減劣五千萬 |
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其實我們在審查總預算已經是老問題了就是說軍方的營建工程常常會進度落後一落後物價一調整你原編的預算數是不是因為偏低所以招標的廠商他的工程他工人都先去做別的地方我不知道原因要找出來落後之後後面又要追加你們已經太多案這樣子了所以這個我們帶總預算討論過了所以我們把這三個案一併處理 |
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8701.225 |
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各位同仁看看這樣子 第一個85案檢列3000萬元書面報告經同意後 使得動之86案檢列1000萬元書面報告後 使得動之87案檢列1000萬元書面報告後 使得動之OK 這樣處理好 接下來88到105案來 請說明 |
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第88至105案為羅美玲、馬文君、黃仁及汪定義委員共同關切雲區漁館及釋出作業進度與老舊雲社整建計劃工程執行進度的議題感謝委員的指導本案已向委員口頭或書面說明見請同意第88案簡列300萬89案簡列1000萬 |
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90案檢列5000萬91案檢列1000萬92案檢列3000萬93案檢列1000萬94案檢列3000萬95案檢列500萬96案檢列1000萬97案檢列1000萬98案預算照列99案檢列2500萬針對聚輪營區的營舍及台南機場生活設施因同胞 |
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商辦理解約應落實追查新增組決提議第100案檢列1000萬第101案檢列2000萬凍結1000萬第102案與第 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
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8773.844 |
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第103案第104案第105案 |
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與第189案同為湯山雲區的議題建請同意併案檢列1000萬那1898989大家把那個數字聽一下本席做一個修正剛才85到87案是檢列案沒有書面報告金同意所以85到87案分別是檢列3000、1000、1000把那個書面報告金同意又死而動之那個劃掉因為是檢列案好接下來 |
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8824.861 |
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8835.345 |
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我們一個一個來確認預算數各位委員如果要隨詢待會我確認完大家來隨詢我看一下這個8888案是你寫照列嗎簡列300萬一天半點簡列300萬委員如果有意見隨時告訴我我先再跟各位確認一下89案簡列1000萬元 |
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8863.338 |
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對我待會到後面合起來八十九跟一零五案兩案檢列一千萬元沒錯嘛好再來九十案呢檢列五千萬元九十一案檢列一千萬元他跟一百零三案併案檢列一千萬元沒錯92案檢列三千萬元 |
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他跟102並案檢列3000萬元沒有問題啦再來93案檢列1000萬元94案檢列3000萬元95案檢列500萬元96案檢列1000萬元 |
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8912.561 |
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97案檢列一千萬元對97 欸這個剛剛跟104案並檢列一千案檢列一千萬98案同意照列99案檢列兩千五百萬元委員會另外提主決議再來是100案檢列一千萬101案 |
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8942.845 |
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8946.472 |
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檢列2000萬元凍結1000萬凍結的部分書面報告經同意後 使得凍資那102案剛才已經跟92案併案處理了 |
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8978.101 |
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再來103案剛才跟91案已經併案處理了104案剛才跟97案已經併案處理了105案剛才跟89案已經併案處理了好各位委員預算書沒有問題嗎好我待會就不再宣讀了照這樣來通過那請各位要垂詢的委員是不是馬委員來然後羅美玲委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
8998.461 |
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針對剛剛主席有念了很多的簡略簡略簡略就知道我們所有的很多的銀社或者一些相關的銀區興建工程全部都是落後的全部 |
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8998.962 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
9003.824 |
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所以這是非常嚴重的問題那像泡效這個部分它進度落後它已經十幾年了而且變更了三次重點是金額不斷的增加其實有時候我們說我們往後延然後金額增加就會增加它的那個它的原物料會上漲其實不是原物料上漲它有時候最高的時候並不是這幾年其實反而這幾年是有些是下調的 |
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9050.551 |
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可是他們也沒有跟著下調只要是往後延宕幾乎都增加預算這也是非常不合理的雖然我們現在都是用簡略的可是我們還是希望這個部分因為它幾乎都是進度落後也沒有影響到我們的全案的經費不過這希望可以提醒一下就是在後續的一個追蹤跟管理那像 |
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9053.934 |
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比較特別的因為這些大概進度落後很多原因嘛尤其像這個像92案這個全新的新市營區這個太平營區興建工程的部分中間就變更了7次而且每一個長官上來以後都各有指導經費不斷不斷的上漲越蓋越豪華可是它實際的進度這個從104年到現在現在都已經114年了到現在進度只有1.7% |
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所以我覺得這是很不可思議如果到最後真的做不起來老實說整個應該要去做一些考量是不是執行上有困難是不是應該要一直要用這樣的經費如果說只能增加經費我覺得甚至不要用我覺得可能還比較好做其他的考量那另外還有在第一 |
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94案的這個部分我們同意減列3000萬可是它的執行就是武山營區的興建工程它從109年到114年它總共追加了5900多萬可是就像在公務預算裡面一樣我們看到很多的預算增加全部都是追加 |
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9135.583 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
9142.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
水保的工程經費我覺得這很不可思議水保的經費像我們這些地區其實它並沒有很多水保工程需要做可是在水保工程去增加經費是最容易的而且也沒有什麼困難好像很理所當然一樣所以我們發現其實有很多延宕的都拿這個當理由而且增加了不少的經費我想這個也是浪費很多也許浪費很多我們的預算這個部分我們還是希望可以稍微 |
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| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
9171.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
去注意一下那我們後續也還會追蹤出來我們是用簡略的那另外還有就是像 |
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96案這個部分雖然我們簡略不過我們希望可以提供一些相關的書面說明比如說像這個復興營區本來今年一定要完工的可是因為他共同承攬的廠商就是機電的廠商他換了一家結果他你就換廠商有沒有罰則因為換了廠商以後造成我們的工程延宕第一他有沒有罰則 |
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9201.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
9207.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
它進度落後這個有沒有法則我們希望在書面報告的時候一併說明清楚另外還有就是99案這個部分我們同意用簡略可是還要再加主決議這個部分我們覺得比較特別的是像我們巨輪校區銀色的新建工程這是在空軍官校的它原來的預算三億兩千多萬 |
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| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
9232.638 |
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後來因為廠商倒閉然後變成追加預算因為換了廠商重新招標然後變成追加了大概七千多萬的預算變成四億四千多萬可是這中間有一個問題 |
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他並不是突然換廠商第一家廠商其實他有執行一部分的而且是基礎基礎是最比較困難還花錢的他執行至少應該有三千多萬了可是換了一家廠商以後不但 |
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| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
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他不用做這些基礎設施他前一家已經做了可是後面又追加了7000多萬等於光是這個工程又追加了1億多這可能是不合理的部分我們也沒有看到比較詳細的說明所以至少這個部分要加一個主決議未來不是說你換了以後我們只能增加預算我覺得這個可能也是一個問題然後101案 |
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也是一樣的就是這個計畫台南機場的生活銀社新建工程這個也是前面前面那一家廠商倒閉的那一家它同時去標到了我們兩個案子這個高達十幾億的預算可是它就是發生了那你在這個過程當中難道都沒有發現說這個廠商已經有問題因為你如果財務發生這麼嚴重的問題的時候 |
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其實你在叫你的工人的施作或者你的進度一定會有一些症狀發生可是我們現在沒有辦法在即時的那個處理那前面這個也是零走一千多萬 |
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他換了廠商全案本來五億三千多萬他又增加了一億六千多萬的預算才又標出去我覺得這個都是我們國防部還有像這樣相關的單位其實我們在這些不但每一件都發生問題而且每一件都追加預算甚至有減相減量這個部分如果沒有全盤的檢討 |
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我們國防部很難有一個好的我們的不管是銀社也好我們訓場也好我們所有的硬體建設可能會受到很大的影響所以如果再跟我們說我們很多都是作戰急需我覺得都很難講都很難說服大家好就這幾個部分我們希望我們國防部還有我們相關的單位都可以一併去做一個相關的檢討好謝謝那個羅美玲委員 |
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好謝謝主席第88案我有簡列了300萬最主要的原因是因為說有一些我們不適用的這個營區呢其實早就已經列入國軍營社改建基金的清澈可是我們就有超過10年還沒有移管還沒有移管那比數就高達了這個28處喔那本期認為說大量的這個閒置就是國家資源的這個浪費所以呢希望國防部能夠加速來辦理資產的這個轉移喔引力政府推動國有資產的這個活化好以上謝謝 |
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黃任委員針對102案的部分說明提到東部和外島相關工程應在地廠商較少相對選擇的受限因此希望國防部未來在尋商的時候更為注意到挑選有能力施作的廠商 |
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另外就是常常有公安事件的發生 工程的公安所以提醒勿切為了港工而忽略了公安的重要性這個部分提醒一下所以這邊為簡略三千萬 |
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好 謝謝另外就是103案的部分公安意外對工程進度的影響非常嚴重國軍雖然每一次檢討公安事件還是會品傳這個事件除了去年中美輪延期司令台外 |
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| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
9477.232 |
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其實那個軍備局銀色改建我們真的每年都在看這個案子剛剛馬委員提的那些東西 |
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我坦白講未來我們應該要列個專報就這些延宕後來又追加到底什麼原因要寫出來那你們精進的方法把它列出來否則空有武器裝備銀色一直delay下來這個不是一個方式而且一delay |
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9531.65 |
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又變貴那以台南機場跟空軍官校那個你知不知道那個原來包商跟你們請款之後下包的人叫了鋼材保全公司去站衛兵這個領主委員也有關係這個他們都沒有領到錢 |
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他領走了三千萬結果他的下包沒有領到錢那你現在又重新招標新的進來我覺得我們有要建立一套機制怎麼樣去輔導新進場的然後跟原來這些受損的下包商能夠有一些方案當然依法律他不用他不用彌補他但在作業當中怎麼樣讓這些真正在這邊做的下包商可以得到一定比方說監督付款然後怎麼樣子否則 |
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| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
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坦白講你們現在工程這些問題樣態慢慢收斂都有一個類似的情形好那個該預算書照我們該宣告所以我再補充宣告一下林毅君委員的第20案跟第23案改組決議合併提出我在這邊做宣告第89案第105案合併減列1000萬以105案為主案第77案78案改組決議合併提出 |
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| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
我們現在來處理106到109案請說明 |
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106案至109案為馬文君黃仁及王定宇委員共同關心工程及設施整治計劃工程執行進度議題感謝委員指導本案已向委員口頭或書面說明見請同意第106案預算照列107案檢列4億凍結500萬第108案檢列500萬 |
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9628.823 |
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第109案預算照列請知道那個108案你說檢列還是凍檢檢列檢列500萬該檢 黃任委員該檢列500然後109案咧那個預算照列你前面凍檢那麼多你叫我預算照列好啦 我來處理那個黃任委員請說 |
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所以目前有這個四處的營區和四棟的建築未完成結構的一個補強基本一起提供的報告中提到長榮和中莊營區工程延宕的原因除了設計廠商作業的延宕外 |
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後址部承辦人更是原因之一本席在處理國防部公務預算的時候就表示過國軍因為職務調動頻繁導致採購人員的交接無法落實所以造成這個委屍的事件不少這點國防部特別要注意到好不好特別簡略五百萬馬洪君委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
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好 謝謝主席107案這個軍博館的部分我覺得非常的離譜因為它從104年行政院核定以後其實更早之前它的預算總金額其實更低如果沒有記錯的話從十幾億、二十幾億到104年核定變成32億6千萬它起承從104年到112年現在已經114年了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
9716.378 |
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那在第二次行政院在110年3月的時候又核定從32億變成46億6千萬他啟程從112年又延到114年那第三個階段國防部在113年雖然是一樣的經費46億6千萬可是他啟程又延到了115年 |
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照理說這個軍博館其實它是一個不是很困難的一個建築工程而已可是它可以從104年核定32億到現在變成增加到46億可是其成不斷不斷的往後延現在又延到115年我們不知道原因是什麼那它總共追加了多少因為據說現在的工程進度執行率還不到四成那廠商雖然有罰了一些錢可是它 |
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問題到底是什麼問題它不是很困難它也沒有什麼樣工廠會受到什麼樣的一個自愛難行的一個條件會受限那在這樣的情況之下我們同意凍結數是500萬可是要把它說明清楚它到底出了什麼問題好 謝謝來處理預算106案預算同意照列107案簡列4億 |
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凍結五百萬五百萬書面報告經同意後使得凍資一百零八案檢列五百萬那第一百零九案預算同意照列好接下來處理第一百一十案第一百一十案為馬文君委員關切老舊營設整建工程計劃變更平忍議題感謝委員指導以上委員說明見請同意修訂為主決議 |
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這個部分我們同意他改成組決議可是為什麼會特別提出來這個剛剛主席也有特別提到了我們所有的新安專案全部落後全部喔 |
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沒有一件是按照既定的那個期程而且全部都追加預算這個部分非常嚴重所以我們在這個組決議裡面要求不得再追加預算還有另外我們要提醒的是基金這個基金是賣主產的其實它是沒有活水進來的你只要花掉就沒有了你現在蓋了那麼多的這些銀色或者像這些我們興建的這些工程 |
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未來它當要維修或者做其他的要後續保養的時候其實我們基金只要用完就沒有了我們不斷不斷地蓋然後不斷不斷地追加然後不斷不斷地延宕這個對整個基金都會造成很大的影響所以其實它如果沒有收入它很快大概也會倒了 |
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不是只有其他的那些基金會導而立所以這個部分我們請國防部還有相關的單位一定要重視這個部分這個組決議我們要求不得再追加預算謝謝好那這個是110案 |
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113改組決議各位委員同仁還有助理同仁組決議的文字趕快送上來都OK了嗎接下來處理第111案林楚英委員的提案來請說明第111案為林楚英委員關切工程專案管理公司管理不當議題感謝委員的指導本案已向委員說明並依部長的指導目前已由各司令部每週 |
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及國安部每月召開檢討會來管制進度另以要求各單位要記錄各專案工程執行的相關的優良或輸者的事蹟列入我們額後的評選的項目並一定記乎廠商與施工廠商爭議的處理的機制及流程我們把它精簡化提升一個履約爭議的處理的效率建請委員同意預算照列請指導 |
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其實從部內的預算帶到現在基金的預算本席其實非常關注的就是PCM到底有沒有做好PCM的管理該做的工作那麼現在這個新安專案裡面包括這個工程裡面要不就是像貿易六村是四次流標到現在沒有開標完成要不然就是慈恩二五村的這個有關於專管公司處理不當 |
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| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
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那像這些問題包括昭緯也有關注的我們台南的那個有關於這個部分就是前面的那個倒閉了之後然後現在再來接的這個同胞公司有沒有去照顧原本的下包那怎麼做協調當然我們知道就是說現在來接的這個同胞公司他非常有可能他有他自己的承包商或他工作的下限但是我還是希望要照顧到原本 |
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這個他們已經施作或者是說有付出財力、人力、工錢等等的這個部分那我希望國防部能夠積極的協調那在這個部分我覺得啦就像胡尹昭委所說的你看包括不論是民進黨執政黨委員或在黨委員都會認為說在這個新安專案裡面確實工程進度或者是PCM管理不當又或者是延宕等等這些部分我覺得是應該要需要一個專報那麼 |
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| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
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我當時要求包括刪減或者是凍結其實都是希望給你們一點壓力那如果說改成主決議能夠改善現在我們所提出來的這些問題的話那我可以同意改主決議但是改了主決議之後是真的要有效力包括我非常關注的就是台南的這個案子趙偉等一下可能也會補充台南跟岡山是同一個案啦是因為同一個 |
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同一個老闆辦公就這樣跑掉然後錢領走了那麼這顯然很有可能他已經知道是怎麼樣來坑國家的錢或是坑國防部的錢那像這樣的包括負責人不是只是去公佈這個公司而已成為劣跡公司是包括他本人又或者是曾經在他的公司裡面擔任過其他職位的 |
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又或者是他的親家直屬血腥等等他都很有可能用這個方式就如同詐騙集團一樣再延伸那這個部分我都希望能夠國防部要把它杜絕掉不然的話是真的會讓不是只有國家的錢被坑是連這些廠商的錢都被坑了 對 |
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好 我們第111案改組決議那請國防部就這些詢問的部分好 回答你們如果準備好專報我就排專報因為這個是一個坦白講通案了啦但是就岡山跟一聯隊這個案子當這個原廠商叫了料HBIN 挖了地基 請了保全錢都沒有付人家 |
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| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
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那如同剛才馬文君委員講的你們後來編列他是在前人的肩膀上繼續做那那一塊的成本到底怎麼去處理那新進駐的廠商跟原來受損的這些下包商有沒有機制去協助這不是軍方的法律責任但能不能去協助 |
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| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
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否則坦白講這些人連保全的費用都沒有付這個是很可惡好不好你們準備好的話我們可以排專報好114項改組決議那現在我們先處理原來已經宣讀的組決議第112案黃仁委員提案的組決議有沒有問題一提案辦理好 照案通過那現在我們要宣讀所有不分基金別我們會照順序還差一案嘛 誰的案那個林楚英委員的案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
這樣子我們休息五分鐘五分鐘後回來宣讀新增的主決議那宣讀新增的主決議現在主決議呢還缺林柱英委員一案尚缺林柱英委員一案那個林委員那個要說明的是不是待會說明那個是不是 |
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看一下文字好我們待會回來五分鐘後回來先宣讀新增的主決議分別是54-1到54-21還有65-1到65-3 |
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10233.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
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82-1到82-2112-1到112-3總共新增29案宣讀後我就會開始處理那不管委員有沒有在場我們按照慣例主決議我都會處理好不好好我們現在休息五分鐘 |
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謝謝大家 |
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好 我們休息時間結束 恢復開會請議事人員宣讀新增主決議案 請開始第五十事之一案 近年國內醫院護病比嚴重失衡請各國軍醫院積極利用各種管道招募新進護理人員管制各院急性一般病蟲三班護病比達到衛福部公布之標準提案人 委員黃仁等人第五十事之二案 |
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10742.725 |
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10759.095 |
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海軍應對世海一家未來整體營運策略模式、偽商經營及效益等進行評估,以持續推動世海一家轉型之可行性。提案人為馬文君等人。第五十事之三案,國軍生產及服務作業基金福利及文教事業有關銷貨成本, |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
10761.096 |
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10777.484 |
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服務費用一般服務費編列一億六百四十三萬八千元照一百一十三年度預算一億九十四萬元增加請該基金遵截支出以利基金營運效能提案人委員黃仁等人第五十四知事案 |
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10778.895 |
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10793.897 |
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請清泉鋼球場考量今年營運成本上升並參酌台中地區球場收費檢討籍球費及會員費收費標準以達到財務自給自足提升經營效益提案人委員陳冠廷等人第五十事之五案 |
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10795.322 |
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10816.085 |
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青年日报社因本自己自主原则,应该筹施转型或者改变经营模式,以增运整体基金收益。提案人委员陈冠廷等人,第五十四至六案,请国军生产及服务作业基金持续强化管考作业,并提升基金营运管理效能。提案人委员徐巧兴等人, |
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10816.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
10839.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
第五十事之七案,國軍生產及服務作業基金生產事業於一百一十四年度,受軍種委託生產,並供給產品預算數約四十五億三千零七十三萬餘元,因加速產製作業並強化進度管控,滿足國軍戰備需求。體驗人委員王定宇等人。第五十事之八案, |
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10841.021 |
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10864.012 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
建議生產事業第205場配合高雄市政府都市發展計畫釋出公中營區迄今尚未完成遷廠予以加強搬遷進度管制及相關生產配套作為原請國防部以三個月內提出書面報告說明相關管控作為提案人委員王定宇等人第五十事之九案請生產事業針對延遲治腳品項管制於114年4月份完成生產 |
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10869.194 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
10882.539 |
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並截繳軍種以確保部隊戰力之提升並應加強注意生產線作業環境安全及維護員工心緒及權益體驗人員馬文君等人第五實施諮詞案針對205場清廠工程應嚴加督 |
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10898.923 |
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督管進度及品質並針對外購關鍵材料研擬配套措施避免貨料不積極影響生產作業提案人為馬文君等人第54支11案 |
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10901.345 |
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10919.526 |
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近年護理人員預算額缺額狀況日益嚴重請國軍醫院積極利用各種管道招募禁用護理人員並於114年8月底前將缺額由20%下降至15%令持續強化留任護理人員提案人為馬文君等人 |
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10920.347 |
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10944.762 |
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第五十四之十二案請各國請各國軍醫院積極利用各種管道招募禁用護理人員管制各院急性一般病床三班戶便比達到會服部公告標準並要求於兩個月內提出改善招募護理人員及流柴等相關配套措施方案之書面報告提案人委員林益君等人第五十四之十三案 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
10946.192 |
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10974.931 |
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要求國防部應加強該基金醫療事業,應收醫療欠款之清理作業,避免提高呆帳之風險,避利基金財務健全,並要求國防部於二個月內提出書面報告。提案人委員林益君等人,第五十事之十四案,各醫院予以檢討設置專業人員以落實成本管控作為,以提升經營管理成效。提案人委員陳冠廷等人,第五十事之十五案,國軍生產及服務作業基金與醫療事業, |
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部分114年度編列各國軍醫院民診處依規定預先提列代賬費用8,629,862.9萬元予以持續加強清理吹收款項以為基金之權益提案人委員陳冠廷等人 |
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11015.632 |
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第五十四之十六案,護理人力短缺是世界各國共同之挑戰,我國更因高齡化慢性病及多種疾病照護需求增加,對於照護第一線的護理人力需求更是嚴峻。請國軍醫院積極利用各種管道招募禁用護理人員,以達惠服部公告之標準。提案人委員陳冠廷等人。 |
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11016.192 |
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11028.243 |
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第五十事之十七案海軍應對四海一家未來整體營運策略模式偽商經營及效益等進行評估體驗人委員黃仁等人第五十事之十八案 |
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114年度國軍生產及服務作業基金醫療事業其中固定資產建設改良擴充之國軍台中總醫院興建醫療大樓計劃113年截至11月預算執行率僅為63.12%原要求於兩個月內提出書面報告提案人委員黃忍等人第五十事之十九案國軍生產及作業服務基金醫療事業107至113年度提出八個固定 |
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資產建設改良專案計劃要求於兩個月內向立法院外交及國防委員會提出書面報告體驗人、委員、黃人等人第54至22經查國軍生產及服務作業基金 |
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因參考先進鄰近國家照顧官兵眷屬之做法及購物中心規劃引進各內優良品項與提升秉持改善銷售與作業環境及提升作業人員服務意識增進官兵之福利提案人委員馬文君等人第五十四至二十一案國軍生產及服務作業基金醫療事業於一百零七至一百一十三年間陸續提出山君總醫院松山分院興建航空醫學大樓等 |
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| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
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八案固定資產建設改良專案計劃原要求國防部應加強合理估列預算加強計劃之督考必立工程如期如止完成並應要求將相關固定資產建設改良擴充專案計劃明細及後續計劃修訂情形於兩個月內提出書面報告提案人委員林毅君等人第65之一案 |
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11150.63 |
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請捲改基金額後參考近年主任收入成長幅度及未來活化規劃妥適編列預算提案人委員黃仁等人第65之二案國防部應積極就控制捲地協調地方政府採取代管之短期活化方式並減少維管經費及巡查人力之負擔益助基金收益提案人委員黃仁等人 |
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11152.472 |
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11173.817 |
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第65之三因應國家安全局列管台北市居安新村及光復新村等處眷村規劃納入改建問題請國防部協助國安局積極溝通並協調各方意見妥適研議後續修法作業以度徵印並服法制提案人委員徐巧欣等人第82之一案 |
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11174.717 |
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11195.198 |
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國防部依據軍事教育條例於113年度設置國防醫學院軍事教育基金建請國防醫學院應積極自籌建教合作收入爭取國科會等政府機關及民間機構研究計畫提升醫學研發量能及成果體驗人委員馬文君等人第82支案 |
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11225.042 |
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國防醫學院軍事教育基金114年度預算與服務費用水電費編列9803萬元國防醫學院英尊節核實編列水電費預算以達成本管控成效提案人委員王定宇等人第112之一案俊改基金老舊營舍景建計劃中空軍巨輪校區營舍興建工程及台南機場生活營舍興建工程等二案 |
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11226.102 |
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11247.15 |
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空軍預約辦理解約國防部應完善工程規劃設計內容並妥善安排工程執行優先順序避免因需求增加動用預備費及物價條款辦理工程變更設計等預算增加之情勢提案人為馬文君等人第112之二案 |
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11274.503 |
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考量國內營造廠商承作量能,飽和市場缺工缺料情形日益嚴重國防部應針對引改基金財務狀況執行能力及國內營造廠商工作量能妥善安排工程優先順序避免同時進入付款及施作高峰導致基金經費過度負荷排擠該基金其他重要施政所需體驗人委員馬文君等人 |
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11276.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
11293.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
第一百一十二之三案今朝國軍興安專案中田單營區等營區興建工程皆因營建專案管理工時管理不到造成履約之爭議請工軍加強工程的督管作為確實依 |
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11307 |
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一期程完工另一約依法向原統包商追緒解約重構價差以確保國軍之權益體驗人委員林楚英等人宣讀完畢 |
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11314.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
11324.218 |
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好 我們新增主決議已經宣讀完畢同樣的 業管單位請注意我大概念的號次我大概只念號次54-1 54-2我念號次 |
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11327.02 |
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11345.532 |
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沒有問題 照案通過如果有文字修正 我們就照文字修正通過但我要詢問在場委員的意見那委員若不在場 我們就照宣讀的通過啦好 總共29個案件 29個主決議我們現在開始進行處理來 54-1一提案辦理好 照案通過 54-2一提案辦理54-3 |
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| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
11371.463 |
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照案通過了再來跟委員報告一下因為它這邊倒數第二行最後面原請該社因為這邊沒有說明很清楚不知道哪個社我們建議把它說明清楚是青年日報社原請青年日報社我們因為提案委員不在我們就照文字修正透過 |
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| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
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原請青年日報社這是54之幾3好再來54之4依提案辦理 照案通過54之5依提案辦理 照案通過54之6依提案辦理 照案通過54之7依提案辦理 照案通過54之8 |
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| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
11423.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
一提案辦理好 照案通過五十四之九一提案辦理好 照案通過五十四之十一提案辦理好 照案通過五十四之十一一提案辦理照案通過五十四之十二一文字修正後提案辦理好 林議軍委員文字修正有沒有意見好 五十四之十二照文字修正通過五十四之十三一文字修正後提案辦理好 林議軍委員文字修正有沒有意見 |
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| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
11443.718 |
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沒有意見好54-13照文字修正後通過54-14依提案辦理好照案通過54-15依提案辦理好照案通過54-16依提案辦理好照案通過54-17依提案辦理照案通過54-18依提案辦理好照案通過54-19依提案辦理好照案通過54-20依提案辦理好照案通過 |
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11455.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
11473.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
再來54-29 還有21 這是21 抱歉21-21 依文字修正後提案辦理這個是林益君召委 那個文字修正有沒有意見沒意見好 54-21 依文字修正後通過再來換到65了來 我們從65-1開始 來 65-1依提案辦理轉通過 65-2 |
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| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
11485.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
一提案辦理好 照案通過65-3一提案辦理好 照案通過來 再來到8282是那個軍教軍教的來 82-1一提案辦理好 照案通過82-2一提案辦理好 照案通過82再來到112 引改基金的來 112-1一提案辦理好 照案通過 112-2 |
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11507.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
11519.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
一提案辦理 照案通過一二之三一修正後文字一修正的文字辦理好一二之三因為提案委員不在我們就按文字修正後通過好 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
11526.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
11540.815 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
114年度中央政府总预算案附属单位预算关于国防部主管国军生产及服务作业基金国军老旧眷村改建基金国防医学院军事教育基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
11542.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
11559.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
國軍營社及設施改建基金等四項非營業基金案也已審查完略送請財政委員會會診後提報院會請問在場委員院會審議前是否需交由黨團協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
11566.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
11584.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
你這樣子我很可憐你知道嗎你知道我說什麼不用嗎好這個我們送交院會審議前呢不需黨團協商院會審議時須推派一位委員做補充說明請推派 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
11586.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
11606.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
王定宇推派王定宇委員做補充說明本次預算審查如果預算科目物質或金額調整授權議事人員處理本席要多說兩句話在現在的立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
11607.136 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
11632.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
坦白說我們國防外交委員會展現的才真的是委員會中心主義所有議案在這邊審查意見相同不相同充分發言採取協調的方式我們幾乎沒有動用表決然後在行政跟立法立法不同黨派之間可以達成共識讓國家繼續往前推進特別在重要的國防事務上 |
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11633.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
11662.757 |
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所以我常常說我們以身為國防外交委員會的同仁為榮立法院如果叫起綱者按部就班尊重不同黨派的發言其實這樣反而會比較快那我們國防委員會的同仁我們在內心裡面互相給彼此掌聲謝謝我在內心裡面你們的心怎麼那麼開放好我們元月八號九號兩日為一次會大家辛苦了散會 |
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谢谢大家 |