| IVOD_ID |
164546 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164546 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-22T09:58:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-22T10:05:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/615807a88c5be4da0d12e8f5d16b8c7e01812ea37d1526ba83c966d97180d5d2a711fa33d5d0e6b05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王美惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:58:02 - 10:05:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請內政部就「替代役訓練及備役召集運用」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查「替代役實施條例」：(一)委員王美惠等18人擬具「替代役實施條例第五十九條條文修正草案」案。(二)委員羅美玲等18人擬具「替代役實施條例增訂第五十五條之五條文草案」案。(三)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「替代役實施條例第五十五條之一條文修正草案」案。
【10月22日及23日兩天一次會】） |
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在這幾天尤其是昨天我們有看到逃兵因為在那裡做假的身體因為你們一般 |
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你們看起來,你們是覺得柴海是高血壓而已嗎?不止,還有蠻多的不止,還有什麼?來因為普通,這裏面可能你說的不足就是說,它有什麼它集罪的 |
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心中的在這裏面 我覺得要跟市長跟部長說的就是不管他是有錢 不管他是嫁給別人 我覺得 |
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想為中華民國的藍珠環要做兵的時候沒做兵還用這個手段來投兵我覺得非常不應該啦現在是大家覺得說下屬的人為了他的下屬的生命的表現所以沒想到要做兵的時候 |
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應該是很多的人也會做出這種手法在北京說實在的 我也覺得說想不到 我真的想不到因為想為一個十五年男主人 還在台灣生活大汗 |
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他不做兵 從小到大 國家保護他 家庭保護他他不做兵 |
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所以說我們今天本身也拜這個來探討在探討的責任也看到說實在大家發聲都說得好聽我本來就要出來主修然後想想的我會怕我不敢出來所以我知道我的不對我參會然後發聲這樣就算了 |
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那這樣的話 我覺得我們這個問題會越來越大 會越來越多啦因為我覺得 正在選舉的時候 後輩不敢說人家什麼東西 |
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沒有做兵什麼什麼到現在是用錢去買不用做兵的所以保證在這裡你有要提供什麼意見給我們是 謝謝委員的關心我給委員做一個補充報告 |
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我们刚刚在回应媒体的时候有特别提到112年的体位标准修正以后结果免疫率打16%那太高了因为我们现在的健保制度还有加上体检其实都很好很多慢性病或其他的病其实都可以处理得很好的所以会发生这样的病目前为止我们看到的就是说高血压还有增重 |
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自己吃大口的扁平族勢力或者是精神系統這些都是在這一次這個由地檢署他們發動要偵查的時候為什麼會出現這種假的病例或者是購買來的病例所以我們也要呼籲就是說本來 |
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這個服兵役就是國民的義務而且服兵役呢這是很公平的本來是四個月你就不去做兵現在一年也不去做兵我覺得沒意思啦其實這樣子就是沒有達到我們自己國民應盡的義務那為了這樣的部分呢我們跟國防部在明年四月會把這個體位的這個標準或者是檢測不要出現漏洞的部分會給它補齊因為部隊本身在這裡 |
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差不多你也有解釋啦在這裡我覺得你剛才有說過跟我們的健保這麼多年來如果大家的身體好、健康、健康如果要做免費的事就沒辦法啦 |
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所以在這個住小人到大人的身體檢查我們可以著重於健保卡這關再來剛才補充的你說貧富族 貧貧族那些人說 |
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阿姆爹阿姆爹的那種的我們講真的那種的都沒辦法改變啦他出生的他比較大的有沒有就知道啦所以你們看那個孤獨孤獨的裁定他不可以做嘛所以那種的看得很清楚的是這個心中跟這個高飛鴨跟說實在的那個有的高飛鴨我真的他不是本人去跟 |
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醫生傳統的,不是本人經歷的也有有有的吃藥下去,讓他血壓高的也有對所以沒錯,這個問題非常要緊再來剛才有說,我們運盲不能一做不對,再發生風差而已要來改善,不要做了 |
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在這裏我們要拿去這條法律的時候要讓他能夠 如果有以上五黨議員來修因為你們這個單位 你們有你們的想法但是我們國防部 到目前為止有什麼想法請什麼人來回答國防部 |
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是 報告委員就是有關於那個在提高這個刑度的部分我們這邊其實主要整個大方向基於這個兵役的那個公平性來講的話我們是在支持的一個部分只是說在一些刑期他那個設定上面我們這邊再跟內政部再做一個研議因為我覺得這次要再研議因為我覺得這個事情不是早就發生了 |
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一定發生很久的所以我們要積極去處理以上保庭局司長跟我們公佈的本事有一些還沒說完我用書面報告麻煩跟我回答以上謝謝 |
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王委員美惠：（9時58分）主席，我們請部長。 |
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主席：請劉部長。 |
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王委員美惠：部長要不要先喝個水？ |
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劉部長世芳：沒關係，沒問題，謝謝委員的關心。 |
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王委員美惠：部長，這幾天，尤其昨天，我們有看到因為造假病歷逃兵，看起來你們一般都只是檢查高血壓而已嗎？ |
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劉部長世芳：不只、不只，還有蠻多的，就是閃兵。 |
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王委員美惠：還有什麼？部長，你說的不只可能是，他有寫關於脊椎的、心臟的疾病，在這裡我要跟司長及部長說，不管他是否有錢，不管他是否為演藝人員，身為中華民國的男子漢要當兵，沒當兵還用這種手段逃兵，我覺得非常不應該。現在是讓大家覺得演藝圈人士為了自己的演藝工作，所以不想要當兵的時候，應該是有很多人會做出這種手法。部長，說實在我想不到，我真的想不到，因為身為一個男孩子、男子漢在臺灣生活長大，他不想當兵，從小到大，國家保護他、家庭保護他，他應該要當兵卻不當，所以今天本席排這個主題來探討，昨天也看到每個人事後都說得很好聽，說本來要出來自首，但是想一想會害怕就不敢出來，他知道他做錯了，所以懺悔，而且還能緩刑，這樣就沒了！如果是這樣，我覺得這個問題會愈來愈大、愈來愈多，因為在選舉的時候胡亂誣賴說人家的兒子沒當兵什麼的，到現在是確確實實用錢去買就可以不用當兵，所以部長在這裡你要提供什麼意見？ |
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劉部長世芳：謝謝委員的關心，我跟委員補充報告，我們剛剛在回應媒體的時候有特別提到，112年體位標準修正以後，結果免役率（不用當兵者）達16%，這樣太高了，因為我們現在的健保制度還有加上體檢其實都很好，很多慢性病或其他的病都可以處理得很好了，所以會發生這樣的弊病，目前為止我們看到的就是有高血壓、增重、扁平足、視力或者是精神系統等，這些都是在這一次由地檢署發動要偵查為什麼會出現這種假的病歷或者是購買來的病歷，所以我們也要呼籲，本來服兵役就是國民的義務，而且服兵役…… |
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王委員美惠：對啊！這是很光榮的。 |
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劉部長世芳：本來4個月你就不去當兵，現在1年也不去當兵，我覺得沒意思啦！其實這樣子就是沒有達到國民應盡的義務，為了這部分，我們與國防部在明年4月會把體位標準或者是檢測不要出現漏洞的部分補齊。 |
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王委員美惠：部長，本席在這裡也跟你探討，你已經解釋了，你剛剛有說我們的健保這麼齊全，也把大家的身體顧得這麼強壯、健康，但如果要當兵去體檢的時候就不一樣了，所以從小到大的身體檢查，我們可以著重健保卡這關；再來，剛才部長說的扁平足，就是像人家說「鴨母蹄」那種的，我們講真的，那種都沒辦法改變，他伸腳踩下去有沒有就會知道，所以你們看幾度、幾度才會裁定他不用當兵，那種看得很清楚，反而是心臟及高血壓的部分，說實在，有的人還很惡劣，他不是本人去量，而是跟醫師串通，不是本人去量的也有。 |
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劉部長世芳：有。 |
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王委員美惠：有的吃藥後讓他的血壓比較高的也有。 |
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劉部長世芳：對。 |
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王委員美惠：所以部長，這個問題非常重要。再來，剛才有說，不可以讓他做錯了被發現後只被調查而已，然後再來緩刑，也不用做什麼，在這裡我們要提案讓這條文刑期可以朝六個月以上五年以下來修，因為你們有你們的想法，有關國防部到目前為止的想法，請問哪一位要來回答？ |
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劉部長世芳：國防部。 |
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盧簡任視察星廷：報告委員，關於提高刑度部分，我們基於兵役的公平性來講的話是站在支持的部分，只是在一些刑期設定上面，我們會跟內政部再做研議。 |
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王委員美惠：我覺得你們說支持、支持，然後要再研議，因為我覺得這種事情不是昨天才發生，已經發生很久了，所以我們要積極去處理，以上。 |
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部長、司長跟國防部，本席有一些話還沒說完，我會用書面質詢，麻煩再回復我，以上，謝謝。 |
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劉部長世芳：好，謝謝委員。 |
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主席：謝謝王美惠召委。 |
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主席（王委員美惠）：謝謝黃捷委員。 |
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請黃捷委員質詢。 |
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王美惠 |
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羅美玲 |
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麥玉珍 |
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蘇巧慧 |
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張智倫 |
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張宏陸 |
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牛煦庭 |
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黃捷 |
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許宇甄 |
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李柏毅 |
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徐欣瑩 |
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羅廷瑋 |
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林楚茵 |
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謝龍介 |
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吳琪銘 |
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高金素梅 |
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立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、邀請內政部就「替代役訓練及備役召集運用」進行專題報告，並備質詢；二、審查「替代役
實施條例」： ( 一 ) 委員王美惠等 18 人擬具「替代役實施條例第五十九條條文修正草案」案、
(二）委員羅美玲等18人擬具「替代役實施條例增訂第五十五條之五條文草案」案、 (三)台灣民
眾黨黨團擬具「替代役實施條例第五十五條之一條文修正草案」案 |
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1148601_00005 |