| IVOD_ID |
16454 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16454 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-23-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-08T08:30:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-08T13:35:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
05:04:46 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302ddda3b4720c362bf968bd03a951da4504b529fa0cca45d5627a3d128efb15149315ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請交通部部長陳世凱、國家發展委員會、環境部、經濟部及國家科學及技術委員會就「陸海空交通運輸業因應凈零排放轉型之改善措施」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:14 - 13:35:00 |
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好大家早出席委員已逐法定人數現在開會請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第11屆第二會計交通委員會第18式全體委員會議事錄時間113年12月30日星期一上午9時8分至中午12時22分114年1月2日星期四上午9時3分至下午25時3分地點本院紅樓201會議室出席委員林佩祥等15人練習委員王美惠等16人練習官員113年12月30日國家運輸安全調查委員會主任委員林信德 |
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交通部政務次長吳聖元等114年1月22日數位發展部部長黃燕楠交通部政務次長陳彥博等主席盧昭吉偉明哲113年12月生日報告四項旋徒上市會議議事錄決定議事錄確定討論四項一致式審查繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會等單位預算附屬單位預算 |
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決議第一案至第四案均審查完畢內容如審查結果國家運輸安全調查委員會單位預算一數六部分第二款第二十項五列數第四款第二十一項照列第七款第二十一項五列數稅出部分第二款第十六項改列為兩億三千兩百九十六萬八千元本項通過決議十五項交通部運輸研究所單位預算一數六部分第二款第一百四八項 |
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第四款第161項第七款第159項均照列二稅出部分第十四款第五項改列為四億七千兩百三十三萬三千元本項通過決議十三項交通部鐵道局及所屬單位預算依順部分第二款第150項改列為一千九百二十五萬元第三款第一百二十二項第四款第163項第五款第八項第七款第161項均照列 |
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稅數部分第14款第7項照列本項通過決議17項附屬單位預算營業及非營業部分一鐵道發展基金分預算一因依據審查結果隨同調整二業務收支一業務總收入照列二業務總支出改列為13億5013萬1000元三本期剩餘改列為75億3597萬9000元三照列四五列數五 |
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6.均照列7.通過決議實項114年1月2日討論事項1至4繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部等單位預算附屬單位預算決議第一案至第四案均審查完畢內容如審查結果 |
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本會主審一百一四年度關於公務預算附屬單位預算均已審查完略有關公務預算正式別輸入預算隨同以上機關別審查結果調整依據審查報告含附財政委員會提報院會討論院會討論前須交由黨團協商院會討論時由本會盧召集委名者及陳召集委員數月出席說明審查結果數月發展部單位預算一輸入部分第二款第207項無列數第三款 |
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第171項第4款第217項第7款第216項均照列而水素部分第20款第1項改列為31億4900 |
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四千九百八十九萬九千元本項提案八案保留送院會處理本項通過決議三十項交通部觀光署及所屬單位預算一稅務部分第二款第一百四七項改列為三千四百一十萬三千元第三款第一百二十項第四款第一百六十項第七款第一百五十八項均照列稅數部分第十四款第四項改列為五十四億九千六百三十六萬九千元 |
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本項通過局議44項副主單位預算營業積分營業部分一中華郵政股份有限公司一因依據審查結果隨同調整二營業收支一營業總收入改列為2475億 |
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零四百一十一萬元二營業總支出不含所得稅費用改列為兩千四百三十億六千六百五十萬九千元三稅前淨利改列為四十四億三千七百六十萬一千元三隨同調整事務列數五改列為四十七億六千四百二十五萬元六因依據審查結果隨同調整期照列八通過決議十八項二 |
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官文发展基金分预算以营业依据审查结果随同调整二业务收支一业务总收入照列二业务总支出改列为七十八亿四千五百零七万五千元三本期剩余改列为十二亿四千一百四千一百一十一万一千元三是均无列数五照列六无列数其通过决议十一项散会宣读完毕 |
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請問各位委員對醫事錄有沒有意見沒有意見醫事錄確定現在介紹在場委員首先介紹林佩祥委員廖仙祥委員謝謝現在介紹列席人員首先介紹交通部政務次長陳彥博次長謝謝綜合規劃司張垂龍司長謝謝 |
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公共運輸及監理司 林福山司長 行政司 韓正華司長交通科技及資訊司 黃興勳司長陸政及道安司 蔡淑斌副司長公路局 陳文瑞局長高速公路局 趙新華局長 |
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鐵道局楊振軍局長,謝謝民用航空局何淑萍局長,謝謝航港局葉協榮局長,謝謝運輸研究所蘇振維副所長,謝謝桃園國際機場股份有限公司楊維甫董事長,謝謝台灣港務股份有限公司李賢義董事長,謝謝 |
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台鐵公司總經理馮輝生謝謝台灣高速鐵路股份有限公司中瑞芳副總經理謝謝 |
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國發會經濟發展處邱營處長 謝謝還有環境部氣候變遷署黃偉民副署長 謝謝還有大氣環境司呂承陽兼任記者 謝謝經濟部能源署吳志偉副署長 謝謝 |
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產業發展署盧文燦副組長謝謝台灣中油股份有限公司張華宇代理組長謝謝還有台灣電力公司溫黃正專業總工程師謝謝還有我們國家科學及技術委員會自然科學及永續研究發展處陳曉林副處長謝謝 |
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本次會議進行陸海空交通運輸業因應近年排放轉型之改善措施專題報告請列席的機關報告那我們首先請交通部陳次長報告 |
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主席各位委員各位女士各位先進今天應邀智貴委員會就陸海空交通運輸業因應淨零排放轉型之改善措施進行報告敬請各位委員指教 |
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那近年來氣候變遷和淨零排放的議題為國際間高度重視的重要的議題我們在總統於113年5月20號就職的時候就已經宣示了面對氣候的危機我們必須堅定地落實2050淨零的轉型那環境部也於去年年底依據 |
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氣候變遷因應法公告2030的國家制定工線的減碳新目標相較這個基準年減碳為一個28.2%那賴總統並將召開 |
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氣候變遷對策委員會議來宣布我國2032年和2035年的減碳目標為了落實推動行政院的國家希望工程裡頭有關的綠色成長與2050的淨零轉型的施政目標及上開減碳的一個目標如何協助運輸業推動運輸部門的淨零轉型的工作至為的一個重要以下我就請本部的綜合規劃司 |
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張垂龍市長就交通部 都道 公路 鐵路 航空 海運等交通運輸業因應近年排放轉型的相關措施進行報告 那敬請各位委員指教謝謝請張市長 |
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主席 各位委員 各位女士先生 今天應邀到交通委員會就陸海空交通運輸業因應淨零排放轉型改善措施進行報告 今年因氣候變遷和淨零 |
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2410.469 |
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海灘議題是國際間高度關注的重要議題賴總統在去年520就職典禮宣示面對氣候危機我們必須堅定落實2050淨零轉型交通部積極配合行政院國家希望工程的綠色成長及2050淨零轉型施政目標推動運輸部門淨零轉型工作我們的重點工作包括淨零關鍵戰略7運氣電動化及無碳化及關鍵戰略10 |
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淨零力生活低碳運輸網路跟海陸海空 |
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運減碳等如何協助陸海空運輸業者邁向淨零是重要的關鍵議題以下就交通部督導公路鐵路航空及海運等交通運輸業因應淨零碳排轉型相關措施進行報告在公路運輸業相關措施我們推動汽車客運業汰換或新購電動大客車達成2031年市區公車全面電動化的政策目標在戰略期運濟 |
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電動化及無碳化已經先是2030年市區公車全面電動化的政策目標行政院在112年5月26號核定交通部提報2030年客運車客運車輛電動化推動目標總經費643億元預計在2030年補助燃油大客車、胎換或新購電動大客車達14500輛 |
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截至去年11月底全國電動大客車領排數是1926輛交通部公路局在去年核定補助2080輛電動大客車其中實際核定補助業者達1364輛已經達成2030年客運車電動化推動的目標113人 |
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電動以及113年市區電動公車普及率25%目標在研擬我國汽車貨運淨零轉型的整體策略規劃推廣綠色貨運部分交通部運輸研究所正辦理 |
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汽車貨運業因應淨零轉型策略規劃的委託研究研擬我國汽車貨運淨零轉型的整體策略規劃交通部公務局在去年原業已經推動貨運三業公路汽車客運業遊覽車客運業探足機及探標籤綠色運輸掀起的規劃計畫主要協助業者了解探足機探標籤及探錢交易推廣綠色運輸已達成 |
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營運車減碳的行為目前辦理交通部公路局及所屬監所內的相關的教育訓練及 |
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客或業者的座談會後續我們將進入事辦的階段訂定運輸業探盤查指引相關的輔導措施在推動停車場經營業設置電動汽車公共充電裝部分我們在111年11月30號修正停車場法增訂第27條之一明定公共停車場應設置電動汽車充電 |
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2578.346 |
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專用的停車位及充電設施在112年9月13號發布電動汽車充電專用停車位及充電設施設置的管理辦法規範再辦法發布實施兩年後公有路外的公共停車場的電動汽車充電專用停車位數應在 |
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轄區內公有路外停車場的小型停車位總數設置2%以上民營路外的公共停車場部分各個停車場設置應該在1%以上到去年11月底已設置公共充電裝數一共是10,086槍同期電動小客車登記數92,156輛計算我國整體公共充電裝數之車窗比是9.1比1 |
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2643.547 |
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符合歐盟的建議也可以滿足電動車的公共充電需求其中各地方政府的公共停車場已設置公共充電窗也達到3611窗在前瞻基礎建設部分公共充電窗設置及區域充電需求的評估我們編列了9.8億元在111年 |
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2647.27 |
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2665.922 |
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到去年底補助地方設置公共充電窗在去年的7月8號擴大補助對象到我們狹有的觀光景點的中央機關提高財力分級四級及五級之縣市政府及偏遠地區設置公共充電窗的補助比例 |
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2674.148 |
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並且增加補助充電樁的資訊管理系統建置截至去年底核定的4865槍以啟用數的計共有836槍預計再增加4029槍 |
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2682.054 |
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2696.082 |
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在推動國道服務區的設置公共充電樁部分全國15處的國道服務區及東草屯休息站經已設置電動車的快充站一共有23站快速的充電站提供154格的充電車位在鐵路運輸相關 |
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2701.525 |
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2719.511 |
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鐵路運輸業相關的措施鐵路運輸依據運輸部門溫室氣體減量排放管制方案以減量運氣轉移及技術改善等三大主軸發展節能減碳運輸達成運輸減碳的政策目標鐵路運輸業者均持續進行節能標章產品採購以耐換耗能的設備在國營台鐵公司部分在維持車站員服務水準的前提下 |
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2732.076 |
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2737.241 |
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改建車站並以立建築為前提辦理規劃設計 汰換車站設備時優先採購節能標章等設備在今年我們預計完成旅客服務探足機標籤及32站的組織溫室氣體盤查預計在明年提出 |
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2751.997 |
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2766.645 |
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公司ESG永續報告書在臺灣高速鐵路公司部分持續對車站導入節能自主管理 減少用電轉移監控用電量及合理用電等四大節能方案執行換裝LED |
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2768.286 |
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2780.439 |
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登記等多項既有設備兼能改善措施並以取得環境部高速鐵路運輸服務探足機標籤證書成為國內第一個正式取得旅客運輸服務產品類別 |
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2784.252 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2807.018 |
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碳標籤制交通運具也在公司網站揭露各年度的企業社會責任報告書及重要碳揭露的資訊在航空運輸相關措施部分我們遵循國際規範推動我國航空燃油航空減碳工作並積極鼓勵航空公司使用永續航空燃油 |
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2808.258 |
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2828.313 |
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交通部民航局遵循國際民航組織減碳ICL減碳政策持續推動航空產業的減碳執行包括引進新一代的節能航空器提升空中及地面的營運效率打造綠色機場導入永續航空燃油SAP以及推動國際 |
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2830.585 |
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2838.474 |
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國際航空探底計畫及減量的計畫等策略並持續補助國際航空業者推動減能減碳的 |
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2840.063 |
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2865.76 |
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的措施 交通部民航局在112年修訂民用航空運輸管理規則及普通航空業管理規則將國際航空碳底換及減量計畫機制在國內的的機制建立在國內的法制化持續督導航空公司執行監測申報查證及碳底換的工作在推動永續燃油SAF使用交通部民航局積極與相關部會 |
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2868.221 |
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2874.573 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
郵商航空業者及航空站就SAF使用進行延伸整備機場的SAF基礎設施並啟動國內機場添加永續燃油的試行計畫我們預計在 |
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2880.643 |
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2898.616 |
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在今年在松山高雄及桃園國際機場為國際航空首次添加SARF加速國際航空碳排量的減碳民航局也鼓勵國際航空公司在2030年國際線使用SARF達5%進而在2050年達到ICL規範的淨零碳排目標在國際我們的 |
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2906.311 |
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2931.013 |
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在我國機場並持續推動各項節能減碳措施持續推動節能及再生能源利用措施包括在去年使用國內的機場橋器橋墊太陽能光電設備的更新及設備減少二氧化碳排放量約4673公噸提升各機場地形電動車使用比例增加 |
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2932.154 |
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2937.822 |
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以及空撤專用的充電樁 其中桃園機場地勤行李 拖車及人員運送車電 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
2940.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2945.21 |
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幾人員運送車的電動化比例達35.7並設置43座的專用的充電樁我們預計在116年充電專用充電樁數量將達70座未來桃園及高雄機場均以達會達到國際機場協會探認證的等級是為目標辦理各項的檢探措施在海運運輸相關措施我們規劃水運低碳化及電動化 |
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2969.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2992.496 |
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推動永續替代燃油使用配合國際海事組織IMO推動船舶減碳措施以依船舶法公告採用國際公約相關的能源使用效率及減碳規範督導國際航線船舶符合國際規定令為整體規劃海運淨零碳排推動策略預計在今年辦理我國 |
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2994.042 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
3010.415 |
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我國內水載客船舶電動化推動發展計畫委託的專業服務並完成海運低碳化的整體藍圖規劃及推動方案等研究在因應國際航線船舶使用替代燃油發展並配合我國的能營工業鏈 |
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3012.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
3039.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
臺灣港務公司將於國際商港未來發展及建設計畫滾動檢討納入國際商港提供使用替代性燃料加注的服務工作在打造綠色港戶落實海港檢探措施港公司的臺灣港群已全數取得歐洲生態港的認證臺灣港務公司將持續辦理生態港的負評認證配合環境部臺灣岸電事辦計畫我們在去年已經完成高雄港 |
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3041.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
3055.185 |
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44號霍倫碼頭一座,並將在今年至明年陸續新增建置5座的岸電設施,令客鎮設置智慧能源的管理,長期規劃創儲能設備持續推動港口低碳再生能源的發展。 |
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3060.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
3070.434 |
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最後在環境部於去年的12月30號公告2030年國家制定的貢獻減碳新目標較2005年基準年減量28加減兩個百分點賴總統並將召開氣候變遷對策委員會 |
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3080.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
3095.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
的委員會議宣布我國2032及2035年的減碳目標為了落實前開的減碳目標交通部將持續就運氣電動化及無碳化淨零利生活低碳運輸網路及海空運 |
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3096.536 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
3113.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
減碳等領域結合相關的運輸業者共同努力以精進作為此外本部配合環境部在去年11月成立已經成立永續長聯盟設置本部永續長一職後續將配合環境部規劃在今年期 |
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3114.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
3128.704 |
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辦理擴大國內探盤查對象等相關工作積極協助海空運海空陸海空運輸業者朝淨零永續目標邁進以上報告敬請各位委員你是先生執政 |
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3142.291 |
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好 謝謝張司長的報告那我們接下來還有四個單位的報告那我們就是請就是大約每個單位五分鐘的報告時間那我們接下來請國發會經濟發展處邱秀穎處長報告 |
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3153.719 |
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3169.638 |
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主席各位委員先進大家好今天承蒙貴委會邀請本會列席就陸海空交通運輸業因應近年排放轉型的改善措施進行報告以下僅就本會業務相關部分提出說明敬請各位委員指教 |
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3171.69 |
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3191.778 |
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國際能源總署報告指出隨著疫後經濟活動的復甦全球運輸部門碳排持續成長運輸部門減碳可說是實踐淨零排放的關鍵因此本會協同環境部經濟部交通部等相關部會在2022年3月公布台灣2050淨零排放路徑及策略總說明並提出淨零12項關鍵戰略 |
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3197.64 |
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3213.997 |
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其中針對運輸部門研提具體減碳的推動措施是體現在運具電動化及無碳化戰略及淨零率生活的關鍵戰略中首先在推動運具電動化及無碳化方面是藉由提高運具 |
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3215.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
3243.279 |
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電動運具數量完善使用環境配套產業技術升級轉型等三大策略打造友善電動車輛使用環境促進電動車輛普及同時政府帶頭示範公務車電動化輔導國產電動小客車推升動力等帶動運輸部門檢探截至去年11月電動大客車普及率以及電動小客車的市售比都高於原地目標 |
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3244.54 |
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3266.577 |
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其次在推動淨零率生活方面是透過改變民眾行為養成低碳運輸運具的習慣並完善低碳運輸網絡等方向進行其中持續辦理行政院的通勤月票並協助地方政府整合納入多項公共運具以及評估擴大的既有服務那從去年 |
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3269.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
3289.928 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
從2023年推出以來目前已經有20個縣市配合推出截至去年底累積有將近1200萬人次加值購買並累積約9億人次使用那在未來的推動做法上行政團隊會持續推動陸海空運朝近年轉型並加速運輸部門的減碳 |
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3291.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
3318.707 |
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在賴總統上任以來提出國家希望工程展開綠色成長與2050淨零轉型五大策略由環境部等部會合力推動行速淨零永續的綠生活方案包括五大支持的重點其中很重要的一個重點就是針對低碳運輸網絡這個是由交通部主責會扣合運具電動化及無碳化的策略推廣公共運輸來完備 |
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3320.468 |
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3341.546 |
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而且也完備步行跟自行車的環境加大落實減碳另外在空運方面國際民航組織已經指出SAF是國際航空業最重要的減碳措施之一交通部已經規劃在今年推動試行的計畫希望藉由使用端來鼓勵國際航空添加來加速航空業的進行轉型 |
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3342.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
3361.038 |
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另外在海運方面,隨著國際海事組織加嚴加大減排要求,交通部將積極掌握國際海事公約及相關國際的趨勢,適時規劃辦理政策推動規劃跟國際公約的國內法制化作業,來確保我國的管理做法跟國際同步。 |
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3362.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
3371.073 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
另外在政策支持工具方面行政團隊也會持續因應運輸不滿的國際趨勢來加強檢視淨零相關計畫執行進度滾動調整淨零的對策來確保國家淨零永續目標的達成同時為了協調整合國家因應親歐變遷的相關政策與 |
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| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
3412.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
跨部會事務行政院永續會已經設置氣候變遷與淨零轉型專案小組是由副院長直接督導專案業務行政院政務委員來主持跨部會的協調的工作會議那環境部是擔任幕僚那國發會是擔任永續會的秘書處未來將與相關部會共同來積極推動淨零轉型的工作那希望能夠持續精進的相關的行動措施來加速我國的淨零轉型以上報告 |
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3413.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
3436.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
好謝謝邱處長的報告接下來邀請環境部氣候變遷署黃偉民副署長報告主席各位委員大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
3438.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
3455.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
本部承蒙貴會邀請就陸海空交通運輸業因應近鄰排放轉型之改善措施請就本部負責的業務跟向各位委員報告首先在我國因應氣候變遷的制度裡面我們在為了與國際接軌同時兼顧永續發展需求 |
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3459.542 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
3468.785 |
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適應全球氣候變遷衝擊並建構韌性體系我們修正了原本的溫室氣體減量級管理法為氣候變遷因應法該法在112年的2月15日公佈施行並將2050淨零排放的長期目標納入法規規範 |
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3478.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
3495.372 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
那在這樣的一個目標下為了確立各部會的權責分工氣候法的第八條規範各部會推動溫室氣體減量氣候變遷條式的主則機關那同時依據氣候變遷因應法第十條規定明定五年為一期 |
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3496.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
3521.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
的階段管制目標分別由能源製造住商運輸農業及環境等六大部門共同承擔其中運輸部門是由交通部來負責主政那另外依照氣候法的9到11條的規定各部門組織機關會來訂定國家因應氣候變遷的行動綱領階段管制目標各部門的行動方案 |
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3523.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
3541.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
在強化這個部門的減量目標的作為上面根據國家溫室氣體排放清澈的報告2024年的版本我國111年的溫室氣體總排放量大概是2億8500萬噸二氧化碳當量扣除碳匯的2100 |
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3545.367 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
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萬噸以後呢大概進排放量是兩億六千多萬噸那在這樣的一個排放結構裡面大概以製造部門最高大概是51.37%住商19.87%運輸部門是12.67% |
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那為了落實這個第二階段的管制目標也就是在110年到114年的目標我們已經有行政院已經在110年9月29號核定第二期的階段管制目標明定國家整體的溫室氣排放量在114年的時候要相較於基準年減10% |
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為了強化這個各部門的減量責任的管控我們依照氣候變遷因應法規定就是各部門的主責部會要在每年的9月30日將成果呈報本部會診以後依法來報行政院核地後公開那目前其實交通部已經有推動以發展公共運輸系統加強運輸需求管理建構綠色運輸網絡推動低碳運具使用 |
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建置運具之交通環境及提升運輸系統及運具能源使用效率等三大策略及十一項措施來積極推動 |
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那為了擬定第三期階段管制目標也就是115年到119年的國家整體跟各部門的減量目標本部委也依照氣候法的第十條規定在113年1月24日成立了學者專家的技術諮詢小組重新檢視各部會可能的減量空間跟減量技術那此外也依照氣候法的第八條規定依照 |
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強化這個跨部會的整合由行政院國家永續發展委會向下的氣候變遷與淨寧專案小組來進行跨部會的協調機制跟相關的整合工作 |
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那本部呢在113年12月30號已經初步已經公佈了我們第三期階段溫室氣體減氮管制目標的一個草案也就是希望在119年的溫室氣排放減量目標由原來的國家自主減量貢獻24相對基準年24加減1的提升成28加減2的情況同時啊設定這個電力排放系數是0.319每度二氧化碳當量 |
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那對於這個運輸部門的部分我們也初步提出了就是希望能夠相較基準年減量20%的這樣的一個規劃那相關的這個減量目標跟減量措施本部已經訂在今年2月7號要召開法定的公聽會來徵詢各界的意見那以後續來擬定具體的減量目標跟措施送行政院核定以上報告敬請指教 |
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好謝謝黃副署長報告那接下來邀請經濟部能源署吳志偉副署長報告 |
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召委 各位委員 女士先進 大家好承蒙貴遠會邀請本部就陸海空交通運輸業因應淨林排放轉型之改善措施進行報告 敬請各位委員先進不吝賜教在淨林的轉球 |
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轉型的全球趨勢下淨零減碳已成為各部門施政的重要議題那交通部也因應這個淨零轉型提出交通部門運氣電動化及無碳化的關鍵戰略以下就經濟部協助陸上航空 |
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及海上交通運輸之淨零排放轉型做法說明如下在陸上運輸部分交通部已設定119年市區公車及公務車全面電動化經濟部會確保用電安全已於用戶用電設備裝置規則訂定有 |
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電動車量充電系統相關配電安全規範也完成充電設施之國家標準並納入電動車充電設備資源性產品的驗證以完善安全規範配合交通部政策針對這個夜館的場域的國營事業還有 |
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商業設施還有會展中心水利設施這些景點還有產業園區跟科技園區的這個場域來設置充電設施並持續滾動檢討另外在電動車的推動政策方面那個就電動巴士的部分 |
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進一步以輔導華德動能成雲汽車創意能源紅華先進4款車款符合10項國產化要求衍生累計促成業者在台投資285億元設置整車廠還有車用電池廠另外在淨零管型過程當中也協助國內產業發展在電動汽車部分透過展創平台以規劃 |
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推動由馮華等車廠在地生產智慧電動車並協助關鍵零組件進入供應鏈預期113年這個訂單大概會有1萬輛並陸續交車當中另外在電動物流車的部分也透過產創平台推動中華汽車威剛科技這兩家業者 |
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申請這個主動式的研發計畫預計將投入88輛這個電動物流車在物流場域進行示範主要應用在一般的物流配送大賣場配送還有農會這個集收集配送還有一些共享自行車這些調度 |
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另外在電動機車的部分經濟部從98年就直接提供民眾購車補助那目前累積已經有75萬輛那同時也推動業者打造環島的這個基礎能源補充設施來補充設置電動機車充電站有6600站 |
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那為推動這個業者持續拓展這個站點我們經濟部也持續以差異化的補助方式比如說這個非六都的這個補助會提高引導業者均衡的設置各地區的電動車的這個充電 |
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另外在氫能車的部分那交通部定有這個氫燃料電池搭客車示範運行計畫那經濟部在前年112年11月也發布了加氫站銷售氫燃料經營許可辦法 |
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那那個中油公司也預定在應該是今年會在高雄市完成首座的嘉興站那另外在航空運輸的部分那使用永續航空來由就是SAF是航空產業這個減碳 |
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排放的重要措施那經濟部為了要配合這個交通部的政策也訂定有這個國家標準並採取這個短期又進口長期是評估自產的方式來供應那配合這個交通部114年的這個永續航空燃油計畫中油公司他也會規劃進口永續航空燃油並從115年來申請生產永續航空燃油另外在海上運輸的部分因為目前海運的替代燃料還很多 |
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那包括低流的這個海雲運營青柴油還有低流燃料油那還有包括液化的天然氣跟甲醇那同時也有零碳的像綠色甲醇、綠青、綠胺這些但是這些都是處於評估的階段 |
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那經濟部將未來會配合交通部的低碳燃料相關政策來推動相關的供應規劃那因應整個淨零轉型有關推動陸海空這個交通運進的無碳化政策經濟部將配合交通部的政策持續來進行規劃並協助提供所需的低碳燃料那以上報告禁止任並請並助各位委員身體健康萬事不宜謝謝好謝謝吳副署長的報告 |
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接下來邀請國科會陳曉林副處長報告 |
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主席各位委員先進大家好今天承蒙貴委員會邀請由國會就陸海空交通運輸業因應淨零排放轉型制改善措施進行報告敬請委員會與指導依據國際民航組織2024年10月統計已有47個國家對於永續航空燃油簡稱SAF已形成相關的方案2024年較2023年增加40%顯示全球使用SAF意識高漲 |
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參考國內航空公司永續報告資料並考量煉油廠的產量之經濟規模效益若添加10%的SAF則預估2030年國內SAF需求量為30萬公筆因此研發SAF自主產製能力及示範專區運行整合航運相關產業石化產業聚落等產業資源兼顧具量體規模穩定料源之供應環境及加速國內 |
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技術國際驗證將有助於能源自主韌性及協助石化低碳轉型針對SARF國科會已有相關研究包括全流動連續式綠色製程以航空燃油生產為例開發多種可串聯的創新反應器並採用先進的感測自動控制反饋機制及機器學習技術以提高生產過程的效率及產品品質 |
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另外對於轉化二氧化碳為SARF料源之創新或營造量產技術研究成果將可以促進循環經濟模式朝著實際應用於生產SARF料源的目標前進此外在綠運輸及生殖能的研究投入方面淨零科技方案中低減碳領域 |
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目前已投入电动载具电池技术研发以及相关零组件的自主化并且研发智慧充放电管理系统以及生殖能相关研究有关于SARF科研技术发展的应用可协助本国籍航空业者面对国际航空业检探强制性措施有机会带动新兴产业发展加上全球生殖燃料广泛应用于 |
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交通運輸進而替代化石燃料其中近年來國際兼用於航空業的減碳法案推進及擴大SELF供應鏈市場需求等推進為最快以應應國際近民減碳的趨勢及要求 |
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面對此轉型契機,臺灣具備技術研發能量,透過跨部會整合推動,建議短期可針對SAF原料進行佈局,確保原料供應的穩定性,並且建立SAF生產的產業聚落及示範專區, |
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先進技術的示範基地中長期則吸引國際班機來台添加SOFT發展為亞太地區SOFT產製轉運中心建構新生質燃料產業及國際輸出或供應能力 |
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為了推動2030年前達產業化的規模技術國科會的淨零科技方案的推動小組已經規劃了關聯部會的分工以及推動策略預計透過115年的科技預算推動SELF次世代料源科技的研發以及促進產業生態系統的建立以上報告懇請委員支持並且祝各位委員平安健康謝謝 |
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好,謝謝陳副處長的報告 |
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现在进行询答先宣告以下事项询答时间出席委员6加2分钟列席委员4加1分钟委员发言登记于10点30分截止各委员如有临时提案请于10点30分前提出以便医事人员会诊暂定10点30分休息10分钟中午原则上不休息现在请登记第一位林沛翔委员发言 |
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好 謝謝主席 有請陳次長跟港務公司李董事長請陳次長還有李董事長委員好 次長在你們這份交通部的報告第7頁的時候有提到2025年到2026年高雄港會增加5座暗電設施那我想請問基隆港呢 |
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有關岸邊設施基隆港是不是有準備基隆港也會有一座基隆港也會有一座什麼時候會建好呢我們大概100對114年到100年會陸續要興建五座然後包含這裡頭包含了游泳碼頭的兩座其中有一座就是在基隆港那另外在高雄港 |
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請繼續在報告的時候請跟我說明什麼時候這些岸電設施會做好而且另外一方面我有聽到基隆港的高層有跟我講過說基隆港未來會成為LNG剛剛我們經濟部有講過液態天然氣來補充船舶的設施這句話是不是真的如果是真的本席可不可以認為這就是台灣港務公司側面認同四階在基隆的表態 |
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LNG不管是LNG的這個液態天然氣的發電廠還是LNG的船舶補給中心是嗎 |
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這個第一個跟委員報告就是我們從114到115年我們的建制就是暗電高壓暗電所以沒有電暗器這個事情目前暗電的第二個部分就是因為台電在做這一方面的話我們把我們相關的有些疑慮就包括就是一些航安的問題啊比如說港口 |
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港口方面航運的規定還有一些氣候變遷的可能要還有靜穩度這一些我們要提出來他們一定要納入這個環評裡面市長跟董事長請注意說請注意有關未來有關基隆港尤其是市街方面的任何訊息上面的分享因為這一個議題不但是現在是一個我們經濟上重要議題也是在政治上面大家非常關注的議題請這一點請市長跟董事長特別要注意 |
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是是我們必要時候提供委員相關資訊好那請問一下我們我在看這份報告這四份報告的時候裡面講了很多有關SAF也就是有關謝謝董事長有關SAF也是有關這個空這個航空用的這個永續燃料那有在第二頁經濟部的報告裡面跟第三頁第三頁這個國科會 |
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國家科學技術委員會裡面的報告都提到說要製造所謂的永續塘空替代燃料那我想請問如何製造因為我目前我上次那個美國AIT農業協會來台灣開會那我有特地有聽他們整個報告他們的報告主要講說目前的這些所謂的 |
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這個航空替代永續燃料主要是透過這個食物也就是玉米跟小麥的殘渣物去做成的那我們台灣目前沒有這麼大量的食物這個食物殘渣去做供應的時候那請問我們是不是全部都要向美國生向美國購買 |
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我想跟委員報告現在我們跟中油台塑這邊的接洽還有包含國際上大部分都是用廢石用油所以初步來講國內如果要自產的話也是會用廢石油油那至於剛剛委員所提到的那個也是一個生產的方式 |
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不過他要通通通通要通過國際上ICL COSIA的認證好 謝謝因為在第三頁裡面已經有講到有兩道說有關這個你們已經開發出來相關的科技正在國科會在做相關研究那請問這個相關研究什麼時候可以operationalize也就是可以實質上執行化 |
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這三頁第三頁你們自己寫的喔國客會的話麻煩是不是請國客會來做說明一下有關全流動連續式綠色製程跟轉化二氧化碳為永續航空燃料的創新混凝藻量產技術什麼時候可以實施上實施開始使用是跟委員報告國客會相關的研究希望 |
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從基礎研究到應用的部分那我們希望在115年的時候能夠有一個示範的基地來落實這些技術的應用所以說我們要等到所謂的永續航空替代燃料真正能夠在台灣可以自給自足的時候請問什麼時候我們看到這個事情台灣製造的自給自足的因為這是你們上面寫的東西 |
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因為除了技術之外相關的法規跟產業界的鏈接這部分都還需要配到的應用所以現在經濟部他也在規劃一個整體性的這個方案所以希望能夠在115年能夠啟動這樣的一個基礎115年就是明年囉明年大概什麼時候第一季第二季第三季第四季現在這個正在規劃當中 |
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我希望有個確切的時程要出來而且第二點來講的話這方面來講其實知識體大這不但要務實而且我希望能加速在考慮安全速度跟方便性的前提之下我希望這方面的所謂航空有序燃料的自給自足可以務實的去做推動 |
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我想跟委員報告一下有關這個永續航空燃油我們大概分三個階段來實施那當然就是剛才委員特別提到還要配合這個薩普燃油的國內的製廠所以原則上分三個階段第一個階段大概就是今年開始會有少量的一個試辦那少量的試辦也是剛才委員特別提到我們也是用應該是台塑跟中油 |
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大概會用國內的這個廢食用油來製成經過剛才講COCIA的認證以後來提供國內少量的一個今年開始試辦然後到了2030年的時候我們希望能夠添加5%但是到了2030年要有這樣的就是剛才委員特別提到不管是國科會或經濟部相關的那個SARB的產能要能夠起來所以到時候我們會滾動的務實的來推動這樣的一個政策 以上 |
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好我看這份報告裡面其實提了很多直接提到有關電動車目前電動車所謂的這個低碳運具的推動策略可能是目前我們我們國家現在走的方向對於2025年能夠做到淨零排碳這件事情本席是在是表示贊成的畢竟來講這是全球的趨勢 |
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但是有另外一個方向我想請我們交通部好好考慮一下也就是所謂與其說一天到晚只是講低運碳聚用電能倒不如說我們現在的運劇上面其實到目前為止還是很多使用汽油而使用汽油如果我記得沒錯的話一部車從 |
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買車到最後面車子結束差不多16年到18年以我們2015年開始算起來的話可能要完全排除用汽油的交通運具可能到2070年因此在這個不改變既有車輛技術有效減少使用中汽車的談判量的話其實我本席在這邊會建議說是不是能夠考慮所謂的酒精混合汽油燃料也就是所謂的e-fuel的存在 |
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因為這一點來講的話如果以美國為例我們台灣很多地方都是看歐美看世界的趨勢來去做我們國家政策的推動以美國為例他們環境部在2013年已經核准E15也就是所謂汽油中混合10%到15%的乙醇 |
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這是可以適用在所有2001年之後的輕型傳統燃料車輛而衣食則是可以使用就是汽油中混合10%的乙醇則可適用在2001年以前的乘用車機車等等現在美國的加油站提供的汽油幾乎都是所謂的衣食而歐盟的燃油品質指令於2011年起許可汽油內含10%的乙醇 |
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那2022年歐盟兩國的銷售汽油中也談了差不多講40%都是E10而且有逐漸取代E5也就是汽油中混合5%乙醇的趨勢英國現在從 |
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從4年前9月1號2021年9月1號起已改用10%也就E10作為標準的汽油來減少溫室替氣排放但是台灣到目前只有提供E3加油也就是只有3%那請問部長是不是要參考OECD跟所有先進國家的做法將E3提高到E10讓更多加油站來加入計畫呢 |
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剛剛委員特別提到像現在加E3因為E3現行的使用是少量在使用那少量使用的時候因為也有這個應該是車主有相關的一個反應油品的相關的問題他有相關反應所以目前還是在這個少量在使用中但是這樣的一個趨勢如何讓現行的汽油車能夠在這個在這個2050年之前他還是對減碳有貢獻所以你剛剛特別提到 |
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一個導入而這一部分呢我們跟就是就是我們跟經濟部呢正在討論中前幾天我先是去做完美國AIT的邀請我甚至去到那個桃園吧去成都他們YAMAHA做的E100 |
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也就是100%放乙醇在裡面而如果使用1100燃料乙醇最多能減少71%的碳排量這個其實比電動車減碳的成果更為優秀那是不是可以認真考慮說我們既然全世界現在目前已經有成熟的科技如果我們還在故步自封不去往前推進的話其實我們要好好地去解決我們要好好地去達到2050淨零排碳的目標 |
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是委員這個意見我們會跟經濟部共同來研究看如何來推這個這是整個也可以講說是整個行政院有在考慮的一個政策方向我一直認為說我們不能用過去的經驗來解決現在的問題你不能用製造問題的方法來解決問題 |
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那未來如果說我們現在已經看到其他先進國家我們自詡是個先進民主國家我們自詡是個先進的科技國家那目前有這些科技的手而且是成熟而且已經有成功的先例的手那我們不去採用其實某個程度上我們是在故步自封所以我建請我們交通部認真考慮是不是針對這些案子能夠提出計畫跟具體時程讓淨零排碳這件事情不是只是口號而已是 我們會會同經濟部把這樣的一個案子給提出來好 謝謝 謝謝次長 |
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好 謝謝林沛翔委員接下來邀請許智傑委員發言謝謝主席 我們請次長跟民航局長請陳次長還有何局長 |
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委員好謝謝市長跟局長其實高雄機場我們這一陣子增加了很多的航班航線謝謝民航局其實都很大力的幫忙那這一陣子其實我還做了很多的首航我還去日本岡山做首航回高雄還從高雄做首航到越南復國島 |
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那本來泰國清邁首航正好六月份行程衝到我很想去所以沒有做到下個月我還會做高雄到熊本的首航到熊本去所以其實這一陣子當然民航局幫我們很多的忙我們先表示感謝那當然就是 |
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我高雄的需求越來越多那當然需要再加強的就會越多所以我也經常跟局長煩不過就是說這個都是為了高雄好那為了我們的機場可以更順暢所以就會再要求的更多所以也麻煩次長跟局長 |
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就這個部分其實今天我還會要求高雄機場有機會公司化的事所以這個也麻煩部長今天沒來幫我也跟部長轉達一下這個其實非常的重要我們先看這個停機過夜空間的問題我不懂因為就是目前我比較仔細的去查就是我們停車位有48席 |
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那現在可以停的有36席那現在有在停的有26然後呢你再想一想就是後來我們航廈要再蓋那將來航廈202731席203239變成41跟47席比現在的48席還少 |
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那我一直在想說我們其實我也跟局長要求跟拜託就是我們要想很遠這16年的施工期太長那我在中間到底有哪一些可以改變哪一些可以去加強的所以就這個停車空間坦白講 |
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我們明天會再去看明天會再去看遠東那兩架停了很久的飛機一直都沒有移走遠東已經就沒有了就已經關掉了關掉了他的飛機還停在我們的停機坪這不是很慘嗎那桃園機場公司已經把它移走了我們高雄我本來還以為停一架結果還停了兩架 |
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所以像這個停車空間是不是請局長跟我們解惑一下到底是怎麼樣才會有更大的停車空間 |
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謝謝委員的敦促我想在那個機瓶的部分我們高雄機場有48個機瓶那基本上就像委員所講的過去來講它會有12個席位它是認為說這12個機瓶不能用那在這一段時間我們重新盤整就是說這12個席位裡面有兩個大的機瓶是供遠東用 |
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那這兩個大的我們會去做調整可能我們在短期內我們就會把它做調整把這兩個大機坪可能把這個遠東的飛機拉開會把它做成四個小機坪兩大變成四小什麼時候有機會完成我們會盡快來處理 |
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就是說我們現在確定了我們就會來做這個動作把它拉開然後把機坪做這樣就可以增加4個電車空間對 增加 至少增加2個對 2個就給遠東那剛剛講了12個裡面有2個大機坪是這樣那另外有一席是供EMS用的 |
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就是那個緊急醫療後送的專機用那另外有一席這個停車位是機位它是因為有損壞一席兩席還好我看到的是差十席那剩下的八席就是我們檢討以後它可能是一些動線其實它是可以彈性調整使用 |
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是的所以這樣講起來其實原本的48席真正不能用的大概是4席那裡面有8席是可以依時段或者是運用情形彈性調整所以整個來講應該是我們檢討以後會有44席是可以運用 |
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然後至於在施工期間這邊有提到因為施工期間因為它是滑行道要北移所以有一些機坪這個登機樑梯的作業所以會有巴西會被影響那可是因為我們剛剛講我們有一些偵檢然後另外這個消防西側消防班西側的部分我們也會在短期內時間有限謝謝局長就是說我剛聽到可以辨識的是洗 |
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我就心裡充滿了喜悅以前沒有去要求大家都沒有都忽視了這些問題那今天我們正式的要求那局長也已經有預作準備也打算就說我們有可能先變成試洗除了緊急 除了其他的特殊用途之外那遠東也會盡快把它移走所以 |
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我覺得這對小港機場高雄機場是好事所以這個就要特別感謝局長盡快完成好不好因為其實我這一陣子拜訪了十幾家的航空公司誰跟我反應我就不講但是也有航空公司跟我反應就是他要停機的空間但是沒有所以他就進不到高雄了 |
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所以這在在都會影響到高雄的經營的問題所以我想提供局長跟市長一個概念就是我們高雄演唱會經濟我們高雄現在這麼多的科技大廠到高雄來為什麼你知道嗎因為我們的市長其實秦邁市長有跟我提過我們就是很有生意的去邀請人來你要什麼來我盡量跟你配合 |
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你有什麼需求,我盡量來幫你設想今天如果是一個公司,他要來A城市我們高雄市,我們是這種態度要去B城市,我就說無關心境啊我也不一定,你要來,你要來照頂數啊這樣那個心態,你要想他會去對他 |
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所以其實我們高雄這一陣子進步這麼大就是也謝謝我們齊邁市長事實上我們就是用這個態度在迎接科技大廠在迎接演唱會城市演唱會主辦單位所以這樣子我們才會跑這麼快那相對的就是香港機場高雄機場我希望態度決定高度 |
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格局決定結局我覺得小港機場、高雄機場會不一樣還有很大的成長的空間我們看第二頁你可以看到桃園機場它的網站裡面這個字太小了什麼客運量、客貨量那包括那個CO2那個包括節能減碳 |
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這些都已經在思考了有很多都已經在思考了我不知道我們高雄機場這些問題有都思考了嗎那有一個簡單的概念就是說當時在考慮桃園機場公司化的時候我想其實也有考慮到高雄機場公司化我知道這件事情不是很好做但是我認為這是一個好的方向 |
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高雄機場其實你現在比較機場公司化之後第一,員工的薪水會提高這個就是對員工來講也是有一個利己的好處啦第二個我剛才看那個監管分離港務公司跟航港局其實以前就是一個單位嘛沒有分開嘛其實我上個禮拜去參加港務公司一個物流公司的一個上樑的典禮 |
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我聽到港務公司說我們港務公司集團我聽起來很有大氣很有魄力港務公司集團其實你看台北港、隔壁港、台中港、九龍港這真的很公司化之後業務的壓力公司的活力 |
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坦白講真的有進步所以我就一直在思考高雄機場有沒有機會公司化那包括你法治人士業務財務等等這個其實104年的時候桃園機場公司他們有做過可行性評估那我也跟局長反應過很多次就是說我高雄希望有接駁機 |
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我們高雄人如果要來投降基座,回去出國40年,有沒有方便?我們要多行李,大卡小卡我們要坐騎乘車,沒有就坐捷運去高鐵站高鐵站再坐到投降,投降再坐捷運,沒有再坐騎乘車多大包小包的行李,半山多而已,來到投降所以如果有機會有接駁機的話 |
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事實上我們就在高雄機場就登機可以省時間,可以省行李,這樣半山過年我覺得這個如果高雄機場有用心去思考我認為不是不可能做得到如果說,反正就隨時臨,有沒有都沒關係這樣就都沒有了 |
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所以其實這陣子我再強調一次我很感謝民航局坦白講局長經常被我煩東煩西啦也解決了不少的問題我們也先表示感謝啦因為他們說有幫我們做我們要先感謝這樣大家做比較開心啦但是這個不一樣的翻轉我想這是一個 |
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很重大的思考所以我今天也很正式的提出來就是說高雄機場公司化的問題我希望交通部跟民航局可以慎重的思考甚至其他的 |
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類似港務公司跟航港局現在其實穩妥得很好監管分離 政企分離其實這是一個未來的走向所以希望說民航局可以正式地做一下思考 好不好 |
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跟委員報告這個部分我們在研議因為陶基成立的時候我也在交通部然後當初有他成立的背景然後港公司成立的方式也不一樣那他大概就是屬性不同不過我想這個都是一個可以評估的議題我知道我們今天是與眾心長還是非常慎重 |
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希望說我們高雄機場可以增加很多很多很好的很大的效率所以我長期在看我們高雄機場的所有的航班所有的機場的改變的發展所以我希望說民航局也能夠跟我用一樣的心境看12年以後 |
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我這12年一來,我新的行業發展好但是我中間還是不斷的在成長我想這是最重要的,不能說沒有等了,我們12年等了就歐裕去了所以這個部分我希望高雄機場戰戰兢兢 |
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我們看杜叔在背杜推 要很小心 要戰戰兢兢但是我們最後要看到 我們有信心 把它做好這樣好不好好 謝謝委員 我們會認真來處理好 謝謝次長 謝謝局長 謝謝好 謝謝許智傑委員好 接下來邀請林國成委員發言 |
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好 謝謝主席 那請陳政次請陳次長好 政次 因為我在想 因為今天題目啊當然是很大啦 也不是只有單項可是任何的節能減碳任何的淨零排放 |
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我們當然在立法院不是官員要來負責我想我們立法院當然也持有這些支持的態度那基本上我們特別要去強調的就是不要官員一味的你們做你們的立法院做我們的基本上這是沒有辦法去引導共鳴的 |
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因為未來的趨勢是世界趨勢任何人都沒有辦法去排斥的所以身為立法院任何一個人也有責任去了解這些跟幫忙如何去做到節能減碳以及淨零的一個標準 |
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所以在這裡我特別要提醒就針對輕能車的部分那輕能車也是一種那雖然不是大範圍但是輕能車這個部分我必須要提醒我們交通部不要又像過去裡面自駕車的後塵 |
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這個就代表什麼 我要提醒我們交通部不要龍頭蛇尾的政策看到老娘就開槍 一定要有規劃 一定要有計劃還有一定立法院要全力支援你去做預算這個做起來 才會天衣無縫 完整無缺啊 |
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不是嗎 是你同意吧 同意那我剛才已經講了我現在要談的我感覺到很奇怪為什麼我們給你調資料我們很用心給你調資料如何來配合那請問我調資料調一次資料寫得很詳細 |
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可是第二次你們又要來抽範抽範說立法委員只知道表皮層不需要注意大細節請問 |
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正是這到底是誰下的令立法委員不能了解更清楚的政策來做配合動作來幫忙你們預算爭取請問一下正是山陽下令的是陳部長或者陳次長或者林司長到底是誰 |
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這邊我跟委員這個報告一下委員講的一個部分的話大概就是說昨天提供給委員的一個說明資料啦那這個就是說我有跟同行講就是說有相關資料的話先讓我看過之後就趕快提供給委員是來那個 |
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那後來這個回來同仁有跟我講說已經有提供給委員這樣子的一個不是啦 次郎那問題就出來了就是你下令的喔第一次的資料寫了跟國花會跟經濟部裡面怎麼規劃怎麼樣去做很詳細啊我們一看就一目了然這是政策啊那當然在這個審預算啦或者知識部分當然我們要潛力 |
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你第二個公文給我湊換掉是寫這些表皮塵來 正直 你看你寫那個我要怎麼記起來所以我後面還有很多人在等快點 好不好 |
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是誰下令的我要了解的是這些昨天有請同仁修改的部分就是說修改第一段不是說要讓委員充分理解就是說推清門有三大要素第一個一定要有加薪站那第二個部分好了那個林市長我跟你講我也不要我只是要讓政策回去告訴部長 |
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立法委員有心幫忙你們推政策當然因為我們握有這個經費的審查權我們了解越多對你們的經費越有幫助啊這是在審議算不是我們不是有兩個重點嗎地方的建設或者創意的建設我們都沒有刪啊不是嗎 |
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那為什麼你們會把他寫官樣文章本來細節很清楚我一看就一目了然那為什麼要去撮放我不曉得但是我希望你們要去檢討不要以為立法委員了解你們所以這個叫做政策搖擺 |
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這叫什麼 你在怕什麼給立法委員知道你們的政策有什麼不行呢所以 政事 我不再跟你編這個你們自己要去檢討下次再發生這種事情我跟你講 我們沒有什麼我一個就是罵 一個就是動你們的預算所以我希望 |
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大家立法委員要幫你們結果喝人拍人你們搞不清楚所以我坦白跟你講從我當立法委員到現在我對交通政策我每一樣都非常支持的我不希望你們把立法委員的這些了解權當成是好像是賊 |
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不要這樣 立法委員有立法委員的職責該支持的我們就會支持好不好 政治這個反映給部長 不用再說了我不敢講說最起碼藐視國會可是你不讓立法委員了解你們的政策根本就是你們什麼怕什麼東西好不好 來接下來我用時間裡面因為我兩個同事兩個市長都在那邊等 來 |
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現在到底我們輕能車要發展我不反對我支持但是沒有加輕站他怎麼樣去行使呢 |
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現在只有高雄嘛嘉慶站現在是由中游公司在設置只有高雄有一個嘛北部地區你們要做人家就抗議了嘛所以整體上來看就是要這裡才會是推一個示範型那當然中游公司在設嘉慶站的時候他有相關的一個好啦沒有關係啦我只是要點出 |
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你們要推這些為什麼不併進一定要去做這些所以我只是提醒政次你要跟部長講既然要推這些加輕的這些加輕站那你當然這個這個輕能發展你以後就有辦法去發展那這樣的話 |
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要併進去發展才有辦法不要頭痛衣桶腳痛衣腳做一個表面這樣對節能減碳對於淨零沒有幫助的啦好不好好 另外一個那我要請教師長現在你們只有找葉澤開盤點會議幹什麼 |
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我們報告一下這個東西就是我剛剛有跟委員報告的部分就是說國內這個清冷部分目前是一個示範運行那我們也理解第一個部分要推清冷第一個一定要先有車輛那車輛最好是要有國產的車輛但是國內目前沒有這樣子國產的汽車那第二個部分要有這個家慶站好的那我知道來因為最後我要特別因為我們要有在地的檢驗站 |
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因為你不能講說國外檢驗的都一定國外吃飯是用叉子我們是用筷子所以完全不一樣所以我們要有在地的檢驗帳行車才會安全這是一條龍的整個有系統的發展才是對的現在完全沒有說實在話這個我說實在對於 |
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有關於這個輕能大客車的部分60項法規那其中有三項跟輕的整體跟那個輕儲存的部分目前有爭取預算在因為我本期重視的是這一塊我希望我希望 |
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當然輕能的這些大貨車我們希望把它做成功我們也期待交通部把它做得更完善因為這對節能減碳跟清零絕對有幫助所以我還是希望啦齁我還是希望部長 |
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希望責成市長把你們現在未來要做的希望給我了解你們要怎麼做但是我剛才提出這兩點我希望你們也要一併考慮好不好委員的要求我想我們會把整個因為這個是輕能源示範車輛我們的構想跟未來要怎麼樣推動整體的一個類似像書面資料提供給委員必要的時候也可以請市長特別跟委員做說明以上 |
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因為我們市長在等了謝謝林國成委員好那在這邊先行宣告等一下在本席質詢完之後休息10分鐘那接下來邀請林軍憲委員發言 |
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謝謝主席本席邀請我們交通部陳次長公總的陳局長陳局長二位好兩位好今天陳次長來剛好你也當過公總的局長所以我今天寫給你課一下你有看過這種標籤嗎兩個像三角形 |
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尖尖的錶 立法會就有標線嘛這個在我們台南 雪甲的華中路啦 它是台19線公總最近去給它重新鋪路道路品質提升改善但你標線化這種標線 你造成全國唯一一個經過十字路口的時候 你一定要蛇行而且蛇行合法 你沒有蛇行你就非法 |
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因為你沒有蛇行你就會壓到標線壓到標線要花錢為什麼你必須要蛇行呢來 我給你看個影片好不好來 次長你也一起看一下啦這台車經過我剛畫的那個路線他一定要抓到右邊來有沒有然後過了路口他一定要再開回來他不得不蛇行啦 |
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你不要小看這樣喔這條路是當地的一個鬧區喔那每天車輛很多那你為什麼把線畫成這樣子呢我們再回去上去看一下因為你要創造一個左轉空間但它又不是偏心左轉車道因為偏心左轉車道你不能影響執行車啦 |
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我在台南市的市區 爭取很多啦 健康路 中華西路 金華路 西門路我現在做很多經費 做很多經費的支持 做很多的偏見阻擋車道 反應非常好你這個是奇奇怪怪啦 因為你為了創造阻擋空間那你直行車變成沒有空間 一定要往右邊來那就跟機慢車輛搶在一起 所以他一定要捨行如果你要過馬路 你是直行的話 你是不是一定要捨行 |
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對不對所以你這種標線怎麼來的我也覺得很奇怪 我也看過這個阿嬤幫你問啦 他說這個標線型插畫線你再回去看一下 我們再看那個影片來 這次再看一次來你再看一次看看 |
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你現在經過入口你不能執行你一定要右偏過來跟機慢車搶到然後過入口再舍行回來再舍行回來執行到如果是所謂標線型潮汗線喔你有沒有畫斜線你真的沒有畫潮汗線 |
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我就問你們啊 那你根據是什麼如果沒有根據就算了 那竟然有根據啊他說根據道路交通標誌標線後置設置規制還有公路路線設計規範沒人知道有這個東西啦他說那是一個漸變型慢慢變化 延伸發明出來我不知道是不是這樣來的啦 |
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這個一定要改啦 局長是 你不蓋 你看到馬上 他們就把它磨除掉了因為它確實 我知道 是我們去辦一個會談話你們畫這種線 你們怎樣就把它劃掉啦但是你劃掉以後 你就磨損到路面嘛沒有菜 你的爐 大家做得比較漂亮你現在就要把它刷 用起來你就破壞到路面那為什麼會設計出這樣的標圈 這才是個問題啦 |
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那是怎麼通過你們內部是怎麼討論怎麼去畫圍住這個線來其實交通部有通過一個非常重要的規則這是運營所 運營所在嗎運營所在今年1月推出道路交通標誌標線號誌設置參考指引我想說這個指引很重要因為這個指引裡面他把各種標線怎麼畫 |
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統一了中央跟地方啦過去他們的中央跟地方都有落差啦地方都有變為違約中央有違約所以我們現在運營所今年運過通過這個參考指引喔他就是要解決啦中央地方 省車 鄉鎮 公售那個道路的品質現在連品質都要求要一致化然後呢 交通標誌 標線 號誌都要單一的實施 |
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很多縣市會產生奇奇怪怪的標線啊既然你有當做這個版本 那我也請交通部要趕快讓各縣市的交通局 地方的單位 宅仔一定要來參考這樣的一個指標來解決過去中央跟地方各自都有一些奇奇怪怪的東西的標線耗資嘛 |
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來 像剛剛那個地方 你要怎麼解決其實你應該 偏心左腦應該在這個地方就是這個 對不對 你在執行嘛執行車不能改變啦 執行車要直直開啦然後你要左轉的車 這裡有空間讓他左轉嘛不像你剛才那個 那個怪傻嘛那對面來車也一樣 只是對面可能會少一個近半車道那你們要去把它劃出來嘛 |
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我跟委員說明一下有關這個預言所的這樣一個參考指引部長也非常重視因為也涵班了所以要求部裡頭要對各縣市要做一些說明或考核然後去看他們是不是有確實按照這個指引來做一些相關改善 |
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那我下禮拜我會再去現場啦我再請公總派人來應該把那個標線給解決好那個路段對當地對台南合格的那個地方那是速斷橋一條路啦好 再來 |
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我要討論一個就是身障朋友如果要考駕照我還接觸到一個陳情案有一位身障朋友他在台南市要參加汽車考照但台南市沒有任何一個駕訓班有那個殘障特製的那種身障車讓他去考照所以這位朋友這位市民他就去問台南監理站台南監理站怎麼回答說叫他去駕駛 叫他去過永克 |
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那你對於深藏朋友是不是很不方便後來喔 他說自己騎的駕訓班有一台深藏的駕訓車 兩號這個人說 不然你叫我們台南監理站幫他把那台車借來嘛借來給我扣嘛 他就不用找我扛嘛我們就告訴他 不行 我們不想借來後來他來找我申請 我請我們監理站去幫忙有借回來啦 |
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但我意思就是說像這種事情其實不需要說讓民眾要去找民代啦找立委來幫忙這是一個服務嘛啊 等我來瞭解一下我才發現喔原來啊深藏朋友考駕照很不方便啦你可能知道啊台中以南我們全國台中伊朗所有的管區監理站都沒有深藏的駕訓車啦你要知道喔 |
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嘉義 監獄 等於嘉義雲林嘉義 台南一直到嘉義市台南的各地的監獄站沒有任何一台有身障朋友可以考駕照的駕訓車這個是很嚴重的問題那台南市更慘台南市是連駕訓班民間的駕訓班都連一台都沒有那周邊 周邊的 |
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駕訓班駕駛員有啦 歌勇有啦但是像高雄它是民間駕訓班有伸張車但監理站也沒有這個是不是應該我們監理站啦應該要有這樣的一台駕訓車吧來 沈議長 |
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跟我們報告沒有的部分我們已經要求就像這個台南跟嘉義地區的這個目前就是說在改裝這個我們的考驗車的部分今年會來執行那像台南的有一些駕訓班的這個考驗車還有訓練車 |
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的一個改裝我們也會來這個輔導這個台南地區的只是跟委員報告就是說比較少原因是因為身障的人士因為他的條件不太一樣他比如說上肢下肢左右邊所以他改裝的幅度也不是很一樣所以大部分來考試的其實他們都有自備車輛有的他是不一定能夠考像這個不然你就要負擔你的能力嘛 |
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我們盡量來看能不能你不能在台中 伊朗 高隆坡所有的感染者都沒有報台你要幹什麼對不對你說有些會有特殊狀況但你至少公家要有提供嘛那民眾說他要靠你 你就說沒有啦 台南沒有啦你自己去教他一個人靠你看 你要不要拿酒來後來我們有做這樣的一個服務啦但是 |
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我也請 我也請那個我們相關單位就身障朋友的考照需求我們一般是身障大概有 領有那個身障身障那個大概有五萬人喔五六萬人喔 那他們裡面如果有考駕照需求的話我希望是不是可以提供一定的一個方便性會 一定來協助好 我們謝謝兩位 謝謝次長 謝謝局長好 謝謝林俊憲委員 |
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接下來邀請李昆哲委員發言謝謝陳樹越召委 請一下陳彥博次長好 請陳次長 |
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市長我首先請教你光光也是你督導的一屋之一嘛對嗎那我先請教你我們現在春節的這個期間訂房率在12月26的時候啊2024年12月26那各縣市回報是不到4成那我們來比較2019年的春節期間的 |
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住房率最低的是4乘5那觀光旅館的住用率來講全國平均是到達63.74%那住用率最高的縣市台北市是71%高雄市也有66%那比較低的花蓮縣也有45%那2025年 |
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其實我們來看在春節的訂房率平均現在大概是4成因為我們看到12月26的時候各縣市他們有這個回報給觀光署的時候是還不到4成那1月6號這是最新的回報的數據地方政府回報給觀光署的訂房率 |
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列為有提升現在觀光旅館的訂房率全國平均是40.15%那訂房率最低的縣市華連縣也提升到25%了那其實市長你要注意來看2023年的春節7天前的這個平均訂房率是48%2024年的春節30天前平均訂房率是40% |
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那15天前2024年的春節15天前的平均定房率是42%這是2024年的春節2023、2024的一個數據那2025他現在才只有4成而已市長你了解這個狀況你們有什麼對策嗎 |
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我想跟委員做一個說明就是這個定房率當然會依照各個不同的縣市的不同那委員剛才也特別提到現在是整體的定房率就是下降嗎你認為因素是什麼我覺得整體的大概今年的這個假期如果是假期大概是九天前前後後的話大概有高達十幾天 |
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所以呢多數很多的國人我們昨天開相關的這個輸運的一個計畫可以發現很多的國人是選擇出國所以出國也會有相當的影響這是一個但是呢因為這是今年的年假很長它的平均住房率是整個九天或幾天所以它會有一個平均的一個情形但是你如果看它這個核心的這個天數當然是因素之一譬如說 |
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初二到初四之間大年夜到初幾當然放假的天數會影響相關的住宿率這也是因素之一另外相關住宿的費用過於高昂 |
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也是不可否認的因素之一嘛對不對來說明一下有關這個房價的問題一直是長期以來國人的對於在國內旅遊的認為是說無法選擇在國內旅遊一個很重要的因素但是房價又會跟他所提供的這個旅館的這個服務品質也會有關係啦市長你當然也提到天數是一個問題然後費用是一個問題那交通部有什麼對應的策略嗎 |
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因為春節的時候其實在各縣市尤其是春節的時候完了以後會有燈會所以其實各個縣市其實在春節期間它也都會有相關的一個活動然後時間又那麼長所以很多的民眾也會選擇在這個春節期間譬如說現在住宿率低就是一個不爭的事實理由啦當然我們提到相關的因素那我們有什麼相關對應的策略嗎 |
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當然有人會提到是否要國旅的補助當然國旅補助是有它一定的這個規範不管是天災或者是疫情或者是整體淡季的時候的一種非常態性的這樣的一個補助但是純潔它就比較不屬於這個範圍 |
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而且這不是住宿率的問題 這是整體觀光產業會受到衝擊的一個問題啊交通部沒有拿出任何對應的辦法 這個讓我非常失望 |
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經常用補助不是一個好方法但是今年整年來講我們對於這個整個不管是國際觀光客來台或整體的這國內的有關旅遊如何復甦我想我們觀光署大概會有一系列的一個規劃 |
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你看你都講得吞吞吐吐我就認為你們交通部還拿不出對於提升國內旅遊以及吸引國外旅客到臺灣旅遊啊還沒有提出具體的政策你們必須要盡快的拿出相關對應的策略我想我會責請觀光署儘速把這個計畫這個旅遊業者大家都在期待交通部要有更進一步具體的作為能夠提升相關的觀光旅遊產業的發展 |
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那整個觀光產業的一個發展其實行政院最近也會召開相關的諮詢委員會那裡頭我們會在裡頭跟徵詢相關的業界的意見看如何來推動國內的觀光那你們認為你們交通部什麼時候會提出具體的做法 |
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因為相關的會議大概在一月的下旬所以我想我們近期應該會提出相關的一個方案這個民眾已經不太能接受現在目前觀光旅遊的這種狀況必須要提出具體的作為 |
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好 那我現在來請教你 我們今天的議題就是國際海事組織IMO在近兩年的NEPC的會議的結果它會要求國際航線以及航商要有具體的目標就是2030年以前 |
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碳強度要降低40%2040年預計要減少70%至80%並且要在2050年達到溫室氣體淨零排放的這樣一個標準當然它有一些具體的措施就是2030年這個傳播所使用的能源占比至少要有5%是來自於淨零的這個 |
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燃料而且要使用碳捕捉的系統捕捉傳播排放尾氣產生的二氧化碳而且並且要儲存新建或者是在建造中的船隻要嚴格的審查它傳播的能源效率設計的指數提高審查的標準等等那而且要航行中要使用相關的這種節能的技術 |
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那歐盟對於淨營的措施要求是更加的嚴格那其實我要請教的是市長我們對於台灣的各大港口對於相關這種國際的趨勢跟標準我們準備好了沒有我們有足夠的岸電設施嗎或者是我們未來要如何進行淨營燃料的添加是否有進行規劃來港澳公司要說明還是港港局 |
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好 那個目前我們也配合國際MO組織那目前我們所有的港口當中有已經建置了219座的低壓的岸墊 |
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那另外11座的高壓岸墊那在今年跟明年的話我們另外還要做建置5座尤其是基隆的那個郵輪一座那高雄一個郵輪三個貨櫃場 |
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那另外的話我們配合整個那個淨零碳排的話我們在高雄的話我們目前在在評估規劃LNG跟相關的劣甲醇一些燃料能夠降低那另外我們自己我們所有的港口就是我們也做一個配合那個智慧港灣所以我們那個自動門哨的話盡量能夠 |
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因為時間的關係我最後再請教一個小問題也是大議題那主流的四種淨零的燃料台灣的安全規格像LNG它的液化溫度要低於零下163度需要有低溫的這種防護態的儲存 |
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空間的需求是1.6倍那家村也是要常溫的長壓的液態儲存它空間需求是2.3然後安氣是要液化的溫度是要零下34度那它是有毒而且對人體的安全風險度最高它空間儲存也要2.9倍那氫氣也是要零下253度而且 |
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有容易爆炸或燃燒的這種危險它的空間需求最大要4.3倍那我們針對這種未來主流的這種淨零燃料的物理特性我們有足夠的安全規範嗎那個葉局長跟委員報告這個分兩個部分跟委員報告 |
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那第一個是針對這個LNG跟甲醇這種氣體或是低閃點的這個燃料的安全的部分我們在去年的1月已經依照存保法 101條採納EMO所發布的這個叫IGF code |
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他是針對這樣的一個綠色能源的一般性的通用的規範所以這個部分我們已經跟國際接軌那第二個部分是針對特殊的淨零的燃料比如說氨氣 |
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這樣的一個特殊染料那EMO呢他也另外發布了臨時性的使用安全準則這個部分我們也喊請我們的行商來參考那氫氣的部分EMO目前還沒有發布是預計在2026年就明年會來發布那剛剛跟委員報告的氨氣跟氫氣這個部分他們都是所謂的臨時性的使用安全準則還不是這個強制性的規範 |
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那當他轉換成強制性的規範我們一定會依照傳播法來做一個內國法化的動作跟國際來做接軌來確保這個傳播操作的安全 |
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好那以上不過次長我是要提醒你我們的吸引國外的旅客是預證法律當然我們國旅在今年在2024年當然有逐漸恢復到疫情之前的水準但是春節這個住宿率真的是讓大家失望必須嚴加的督促必須做整體的一個重新的檢討跟規劃是我們會朝這個方向來努力謝謝李崑澤委員 |
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現在請陳素月召委發言謝謝主席 請主席 要請陳次長請陳英博次長 |
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市長早安今天委員會是針對陸海空交通運輸業因應近年排放轉型的改善措施那相關單位都有做了這個報告那我們也知道就是說有關運輸的部分就是我們交通部要主責就是 |
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這個淨零排放的相關的一個政策那我們看到就是在2023年4月行政院有核定了這個12項的關鍵戰略行動計畫那關鍵戰略10就是淨零綠生活就是由交通部來主責那交通部就是預計要推動營造深度的減碳運輸計畫還有這個低碳交通區的規劃與示範交通場域設施節能減碳 |
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還有基礎設施調試等這個重點的工作那我們也看到在114年度的總預算就是我們剛剛審完主要在運營所的部分它有編列了這個運輸研究業務營造深度減碳運輸環境及打造低耗冷交通場域的計畫編列了4050萬這個是就是分年執行的一個計畫 |
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交通部也編了六千萬元要用在講補助費補助直轄市及各縣市政府建立低碳交通示範區這樣子的一個計畫那在這邊我想請教一下就是這個建立低碳交通示範區這個是一個很新的觀念那我不曉得我們交通部要怎麼去推動然後要做到什麼程度是不是可以請 |
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市長先簡單講一下我有簡單說明以後再請運營所或供應司來做說明原則上低碳交通區的一個概念剛剛委員特別提到其實是整個在國際間有關淨零轉型上各國大概有幾個國家會採行的一個措施就希望在那個區域裡面的運具也好或是旅行的型態也好都能夠採用這個低碳 |
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或者是近鄰的一個工具在這裡頭運作所以呢至於說要怎麼做這也才會有運輸研究所先要就這一個低碳交通區他會去做一個相關的研究研究完了以後他就訂定在今年訂定了相關一個補助的要點然後在要點以後才會在今年的預算編列來補助各地方政府看怎麼樣來實施這個有關低碳交通區 |
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但是這個地攤交通區的一個未來的一個構想跟想像要如何執行其實還少了一個相關的一個指引所以目前我也是請這個運營所就這個指引來告訴大家如何來做那原則上做的話會分三個區域一個當然是都會區的一個是有關這個應該是 |
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景區的景區的一個那有另外一個是有關外島低碳的這樣的一個低碳的交通區的這個概念所以原則上是朝這個三個方向來來做以上 |
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好 那請議員說明有關於那個低碳交通區這個部分就是剛剛次長提到因為整個低碳的部分本來他是從整個淨零排放這個部分然後把整個高溫的一個這個印記能夠把它排除在外那希望能夠從一個小範圍慢慢地推廣讓整個空氣的這個玻璃能夠那個把它建置起來 |
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因為我們整個在推進的進度就是說剛剛講了有一些是在都會區譬如說在新西華區或是巴黎這些市區或是在風景區來做一些管制那另外在這個新興的那個新市鎮或是一個部分可以去做一些比較完整一點可以管制這些車輛的部分可以 |
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來處理後續的話當然這個地方擁有區這個草案已經出來了那後續的話供應司這邊我們整個部門就會來繼續來補助這個地方政府因為這是地方知識事項那由這個部門來逐漸來推進一些計畫 |
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好 那我們知道就是也包括剛剛次長回答的 育年所就是要進行收集跟彙整國內外有關低碳交通區的類似的案例的實施內容然後要檢視我們低碳交通區相關的法規缺口還有掩體相關的法制可是剛剛也有提到說這個要點 |
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你才剛提出嘛那據我所得到的訊息我不曉得現在有沒有更新的進度就是在去年就是113年8月10號運營所有將低碳交通區的補助作業要點函送交通部可是交通部核定了嗎市長回答一下 |
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合訂了嗎?這個要點是經過交通部合訂就可以了,那剛才我有說明,正在這個部裡頭大概做一些旅遊,那另外一個我們希望這個要點以後能夠去說明給地方更詳細的一個指引,看怎麼樣來做,所以這個東西部裡頭應該還在檢討中,是 |
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所以這個要點就是交通部核定就可以了那還沒確定那交通部核定了嗎跟我們補充報告一下第一個部分這個要點基本上交通部這個核定就可以不用送到對那核定就可以那核定了嗎那目前市裡面 |
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正在這個就是說修正運營所送上來的一個這個草案那我這邊也特別跟委員報告就是說這個地攤交通區的部分的話大概就是說在目前有一些電動化跟地攤化還有燃油這些運具的使用這個過程當中 |
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那希望說建立一些這個地攤化跟這個電動化的一個這個環境那我們期待說這些相關的這個環境的建立不要以管制為首要應該裡面還有一些相關配套就是說讓大家很自然去這個熟悉使用這樣子的部分所以這些相關補助要點的部分的話我們細節是裡面還在檢討那另外一個部分的話剛剛委員有提到就是相關地方政府的部分其實大概整個這個運營所在過程當中 |
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有跟地方政府做討論那其實也有很多這個地方政府有表達這樣子的意願那這些相關未來因為確實六千萬的金額不多啦那在這個補助要點裡面就必須要有一個這個遴選的一個程序這個部分我們就要比較特別周圍去做一個考量 |
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是好那就是剛剛你們的回覆就是可以看得出來目前是要點交通部也還沒有核定那你們就已經先框了這個預算那我不曉得說這樣接下來你們的這個執行到底能不能順利那我剛剛有請教次長說 |
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我們這個低碳交通區要進行到什麼樣的程度是參照歐盟的方式嗎因為我們來看一下就是有關歐盟的他們的一個實施的一個方式事實上有關歐盟他們實施這個低碳交通區他們也是經過了很多年的討論、試行還有試應之後才去實施的 |
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那我們是這個觀念我想一般民眾可能都還完全不知道那我們現在就要來補助那補助意思就是要去落實的嘛那我不曉得說在今年有哪一個縣市會來做那因為我們的國情啊民情還有我們 |
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的地理環境地狹人稠我不曉得說我們來實施這個會不會遇到阻礙啦其實以我的看法我覺得應該會會有很大的阻礙啦因為你看這個以德國歐洲來看德國他們的這個低碳交通區他是將車牌 |
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那個排放量是分為三種然後有用三個顏色去區分然後經過幾十年的過渡期檢討然後他在2021年的時候他們就說貼紅色貼紙的車輛就禁止進入低排放區然後貼綠色貼紙的車輛才可以駛入低排放區否則就是會有罰則罰款那我不曉得我們 |
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是朝這個方向嗎我們有可能做到這樣子的一個階段嗎我想跟委員做說明剛才講這個示範區而且它是在2050的淨零排放的路徑藍圖裡面所以不會是在今年一開始要實施的時候就採取這麼嚴格的管制的作為所以你們補助的話 |
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區域漸進而且剛才我有特別提到他會有幾個區域在做比如說都市型的或者是景點跟離島的或者是工業區等等的所以他會選擇一個比較適宜的地方採取用鼓勵的方式先行的方式來做處理 |
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是 我想就是當然就是說淨零碳排2050是一個國際的一個趨勢那每一個部會都有自己要努力的一個目標那會有要擬定的一個政策那我們希望就是說這樣子的一個政策在推動的過程真的要 |
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就是要去考量到我們的民情然後也要加強去宣導因為不能驟然實施不然可能就是會造成很大的不適應就是會引起很大的反彈跟這個民怨好 謝謝委員的指導 謝謝好 現在休息十分鐘 |
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你們感覺是站到一個... |
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還有杯子,還有一個燒烤箱還有一個燒烤箱還有一個燒烤箱還有一個燒烤箱還有一個燒烤箱 |
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8440.151 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
嗯嗯 |
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鞭筍 |
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好 |
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8493.911 |
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要炒海鮮蚊子蚊子海鮮蚊子蚊子蚊子 |
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| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
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這裏有個大廈,這裏有個大廈,這裏有個大廈, |
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| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
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響鐘 |
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這裏有個大廈 |
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謝謝大家 |
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嗯嗯 |
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嗯嗯嗯 |
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我今天好像 |
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這間餐廳的餐廳是一間餐廳 |
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明天 明天要下禮拜才去喔 |
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中文字幕志愿者 李宗盛 |
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嗯嗯 |
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謝謝大家 |
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謝謝大家 |
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謝謝大家 |
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河沙沙沙 |
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這裏是大廈的大廈 |
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這間餐廳的餐廳是一間餐廳 |
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嗯嗯 |
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好現在繼續開會接下來邀請魯明哲召委質詢喂好謝主席有請我們交通部陳次長請陳次長關公署 |
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這樣我直接請教一下因為這是我在今年的3月22號大概去年已經變去年了九個多月了 |
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我們特別在總質詢的時候雖然這個時代已經變了我覺得有一些政策的一個延續我當時在問之前我們政府院長說這個大概五六百萬的轉機旅客轉機旅客在台灣秀在機場就轉出去了如果能夠把它納入變成我們過境觀光 |
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的一部分的話不管是近距離能夠有一些產值我們覺得他當時提的idea很好所以我們那時候就問那這個到底要怎麼做預計時程如何所以當時我們陳建仁院長特別說因為轉機關關跨部會確實跨部會跨部會包括要證照啊怎麼路徑啊怎麼安排啊確實跨部會所以要 |
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研究 好好研議中 希望早日推動啊那我現在再問這句話就是說 九個月了目前研議的狀況如何 開了幾次會呃 呃 委員這容我我發現要找個署長他沒來嘛 是那你就 自以奴隸啊呃 不是自以奴隸還是市長啊 哪個市長知道啊 因為我沒有開過會啦所以 所以我 我可能相關 呃 官發署應該有相關的研議啦那研議的結果是不是另外提供給委員參考 是所以你沒 你也不知道什麼狀況 |
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我知道觀光署有就這一部分在研議如何讓這個轉接的旅客能夠進到國內順道觀光你們那個司長有來嗎負責觀光的司長沒來現在完全沒來那就次長單打了 |
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那我的意思就是說這樣的一個政策因為是讓他有他的一個急迫性這也是我們台灣的一個重要的一個資源在疫情之後說實在的我們台灣的轉機旅客是不斷的向上升機場都是轉機的旅客很多從東南亞轉歐洲的過去都在別的機場現在都在以台灣我們這邊桃園機場為基地所以當這個人數增加的時候我們看的來 |
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直接來看一下因為我們好不容易要推嘛過境啊這些過境旅客這個半日遊的一個情況因為他們這個轉機的時間不一定嘛比如半日遊或四個小時就帶他去台灣旅遊消費一下我們來看一下 |
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我們得到的數據說你看112年113年113年剛過完轉居旅客在去年你們就11月多給我們的資料連續兩年112年總共有625萬113年667萬其實人數真的是蠻多的跟之前政府委員長期許的人數這麼多能不能抓一些留下來結果抓了多少呢這從112年的5月份 |
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到13年的11月大概一年七個月總共大概母數我覺得大概差不多800萬到900萬人裡面只留下了1.4萬人 |
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能夠過境旅遊那中間有些不是觀光署的問題不是交通的問題嘛所以那時候叫你們去研議為什麼呢因為鎮照他許可進來人本身就少嘛對不對那其他你要很繁複的簽證手續人家那個只有四個小時沒有辦法給你搞這個很多的問題要去解決但是我們現在急的原因就是說你看看喔你看看這個的部分到13年的話才大概1.4萬左右啦齁那其中呢 |
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看最下面一行就是在自由行自由行這1.4萬人他自己進來大概自己遊玩的4%專人導覽就各單位觀光單位專人導覽去安排這個部分在台北市的 |
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也有大概六千多人我們桃園也很急啊因為桃園做集結大概兩三站大概四站就到了嘛金浦的鬧區啊 或者進市區嘛也有一千多人新北一百一四人所以我們是覺得確實有這樣的一個機會然後透過你組合的譬如說 簽證你比較有疑慮的就組團式的來進來所以想方設法欸 次長啊你到底要不要做啊 |
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我想我跟委員報告委員下面這一行其實現行就有這樣的一個機制只是量實在是很少那剛才委員特別提到如何利用這個轉機的人數來進入國內做大概是短時間的一個觀光這個過境觀光這部分觀光署我的了解他們有內部正在要推一個計畫來辦理這個方向是會朝這個方向去做的 |
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好 我想次長因為現在民航局長大概跟你好像關係也不大嘛你就飛機把他載進來就好了那其實我們現在有蠻多的願景因為就真的很急今年年初去提這件事情結果在大概剩下34天台灣燈會正好在桃園正好在A18的戰區坦白講大概從A17到A19的戰區只要從機場 |
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二航廈以二航廈為例的話就大概三到四站就直接參與燈會了所以坦白講如果有過境的一個轉聚旅客在這個階段一定是他們的首選所以我看起來又搭配不上我今天是真的期許啦我看到部長也特別說這一次因為是12年設計的是一個SIGMA無限的那個概念希望台灣的希望無限那我也希望交通部跟 |
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相關的單位我感覺在轉居旅客這個議題能力展現的非常非常有限真的希望你們能夠認真的加強當然包括了這個官務啊移民署啊真的要來開會一下啦真的要來開會啦有沒有辦法大概什麼時候主導一下 |
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我想委員這個建議很好但你不能推給觀光署啦你一定要部長級的甚至找那個要行政院級的才有辦法召集這些人我想委員這一部分我會找觀光署來談一下因為這牽涉到觀光署剛才也特別聽到像這個淘機公司啊或者是相關的這個內政部等等單位我們來談一下看如何透過這樣在燈會期間在桃園地區做轉機的旅客看如何可以 |
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其實關務最重要啦好不好 關務如果沒有簽證什麼譬如說移民署這個部分他簽證沒有辦法發或者說短期的沒有辦法去做處理都沒有用那我們再來看看那我今天問觀光署那你就一併回答囉那你今天回答很簡單我會跟觀光署署長講聽說他有做但是我覺得這個問題從你之前做這個局長到現在次長的時候你應該聽過很多次嘛 |
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因為我們觀光署他做了很多的影片過去疫情期間花了很多錢讓大家神遊就是你網路還可以透過看影片去各地旅遊結果點閱率非常非常差那我現在蠻急的因為我們台灣都會有時效性對不對 |
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以今年來講2月12號就開始了那簡單來講還剩三四天那你們十天前上架的影片啊花了兩百多萬去做影片做三個影片啊國際形象還沒上架啦預計一月上架啦那我們看到你們上架兩個影片啊大概都十天啊從昨天去統計啊第一個影片大概中文 |
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點閱人數一千多人嘛那其他我們就不講了第二個影片中文版的點閱大概不到一千人那我不知道啦如果十天如果還剩下三個十天如果我們花幾百萬要弄這樣的這個東西我覺得很奇怪那我拜託次長我也不問你啊因為可能也不清楚那你們這個的部分 |
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他們那個廣告 結果我們打電話去問說你們這個做了影片之後現在因為每一個社群平台都有他的演算法哪有讓你那麼輕鬆的你影片做得再好 再唯美不好意思 沒有觸局率啊他不會讓你去觸局 或者觸局有限 |
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所以一定都會要參查投放所以他跟我講說我們純粹有兩百多萬就請他做影片然後就放到架裡面蛤 有沒有投放 精準投放都會在桃園 桃竹苗是不是精準投放 他說沒有那我們再來看看有百分之三十桃園市市政府做的 |
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他目前同樣10天10天他目前而且是2分20秒的你們剛剛是30秒到底越短的影片越多人點閱結果他已經3.4萬你們才1000發生什麼事因為人家的錢奇怪還可以請明星當然第二個 |
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他們在地方透過地方的FB LINE去幫忙推這個的影片然後又預算裡面15%是投放我要拜託能不能跟包括現在所有在座局長你們如果要做這些廣告如果你們的招標案裡面不留投放廣告的這個部分你等於是完完全全就是作廢他留了15% |
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百分之十五所以你回去能夠了解一下建議一下好吧那最後一個問題啊這個問題應該可以回答那應該問你現在唐人士政府剩下三四天 |
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就要舉辦燈會了你們可不可以也幫幫忙一下你也知道這不是工作天還有三十幾天過年所有的工班所有要人大家都有休假計劃了到底他願不願意配合你能不能事前準備事實上 討厭市政府這個主辦單位就剩十幾天了二十萬就過年了嘛過年之後你再招標不定大家都休年假了所以 我要拜託一下現在整個的一個接駁接駁的費用他們總共要七千五百萬 |
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他們自籌2500萬還需要5000萬左右大約跟去年台南市政府舉辦的金額差不多多100萬這個部分到底批了沒有 |
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我想跟委員報告我也很關切這個議題所以我大概也有找他們談了一下原則上我們部裡頭會來支持因為每一年的相關的這種接駁的費用大概都會來支持但是這裡頭的相關的計劃的金額我們有稍微請他們去核算一下所以就那個金額的部分會做一些調整以後會盡速來核定 |
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我跟你講時間真的不多了8號到25號大概兩個多禮拜的時間然後他還要上網招標那第二個呢這些大車的產業接駁車都是我們我想公路局長你也在這裡嘛就最稀缺駕駛都找不到很難搞的所以我希望你們就要不然跟桃園市政府講說要怎麼調大家就講最快速度把它處理好可以嗎 |
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可以我跟委員報告有關那個接駁車的其實他們已經照票完了所以我才會講到說相關的經費我們可以來做一些調整就怕你們不給啊不會啦我們會給我們會給我講真的最後拜託你帶回去給陳局長陳部長這個經費適當他已經承諾好幾次了絕對比去年不會少那去年公務局是3700萬他現在3800萬不會少我們希望真的不要讓地方 |
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去等不到這個經費因為這個的公文公務局的是11月27號給你們到目前已經一個多月了那觀光署的好像也還沒批下來是11月14號已經接近兩個月了我覺得 |
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你們自己的工作早就標好了觀光署都在那邊做的都知道時間怕來不及了所以我們真的是希望一個禮拜以內你們這個事情一定要把它決定清楚市長可不可以幫忙我盡量朝委員的這個方向來做努力也跟委員報告原則上部長有承諾過就是說會比照去年該有的項目不會少所以原則上我們會這樣的方式來做補 |
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不要說項目不會少 我聽得懂啦 該有的金額不會少好 拜託 謝謝盡量來努力 謝謝好 謝謝魯明哲召委好 接下來邀請徐副葵委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 我們有請交通部陳政次還有公務局陳局長請陳次長還有陳局長委員好 |
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政次郭局長早安我想我們今天討論的進行排放的政策之前我想我們還是先關心所謂一個行人地域改善的一個問題我想今年1月3號我們交通部有召開一個記者會針對各縣市危險路口改善的狀況有點名的桃園、彰化跟屏東縣還沒有完成改善 |
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那這樣子也會被許多鄉親擔心說我們是大安表現比較差的一個縣市那這段期間也剛好發生了這個部長跟桃園市政府在爭論部長到底是這個訓導主任還是輔導老師的爭議然後講姑且這個爭議不斷 |
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不論這個爭議是怎麼一回事啊我想未來交通的這個行人地域的改善才是我們的重中之重的一個工作我們也希望能夠盡快來完成那屏東縣政府面臨的困境就是在於說我們過去的這個整個經費的一個評估上面交通部給予的經費都不足造成我們流標的一個現象 |
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像最近就是發生了連續流標三次然後我想縣政府也很頭痛啦也很傷腦筋那針對這樣子的一個經費的不足然後還有持續這個未來這個改善的計畫我交通部是不是可以給予我們屏東縣政府什麼樣的一個支持的一個力道請政治回答 |
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我想交通部在有關各縣市有關這個行人改善應該是永續行人提升計畫裡面那分為兩部分一部分是內政部在補助一部分是交通部在補助的那原則上我的瞭解交通部補助的大概相關的計畫都完成而且經費也沒有問題那部分是大概是有關內政部的部分那這部分我們會來協助這個屏東縣政府如何來跟內政部多爭取一些必要的經費來辦理 |
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那我想這是這個很道路的交通安全不分部會所以我才會講說我們看到的是說這個不管是內政部補助要還是交通部在補助我們應該是針對整個一個交通的路況交通的一個環境的一個整體的一個評估不能各做各的啊各做各的湊不起來啊 |
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所以我比較擔心是在於說當我們有很多的一個規劃卻沒有跨部會轉合的時候會變成各行各自各自各做各自的但是到最後這個不管是行人也好不管是我們的機車或汽車的這個用路人也好他們會覺得這個設計上是有出現很多的一個問題那我想我們這邊也 |
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過去有提了幾個案例也有請我們相關的部會來協助那我想這部分還是要再提醒一下我們交通部一定要我們還是要負起這個這個責任那另外我先要提到就是我們最近有做了一個很多的一個人行人庇護島的一個設施但是我想部長在臉書上提到說 |
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庇護島就是要讓行人更安全但是呢這個部分不但是要去減少所謂的一個駕駛不當切西瓜的一個行為也要減少一個交通事故但是很遺憾的我們從數據上看見去年至少有1000件車輛自撞這個交通這個庇護島的一個案件所以我們這個整個政策的規劃上面是不是有出現一個問題包含我的助理自己騎摩托車 |
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就好幾次幾乎都撞到那我們發現這個從圖面上來看這個整個這個標線的設計還有反光的一個設計我想沒有發揮很大的一個功用尤其是夜間這個視線不良非常非常的危險那真的這樣的一個庇護島的一個設置那次長這邊有沒有什麼一個改進的一個方案 |
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原則上因為這個屁股島基本上大概道路的寬度比較寬行人就是說在通行的時候其實希望就是說在路中還是有一個這個保護那當然就是說有些的這個撞擊的部分就是有些駕駛人他自己本身就是並沒有到道路的中心線才左轉彎他有可能就像委員說的切西瓜直接切過去 |
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所以視覺的這個整個的一個這個角度我覺得可能跟這個這個屁股島或許就是說他沒有看清楚另外當然屁股島其實在相關的這個道路交通標誌標線號誌設置上面譬如說包括這個警告的標線進障礙物的這個標線還有就是說這個反光設施 |
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還有這個上面還有一些警告的分道標誌我是覺得說可能有一些的地方是不是就是說它的這個整個的這個屁股島的它的標誌標線它沒有設置得很完整我想這個部分可能有些部分是各單位的我們也會來跟內政部一起來檢討 |
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部長我還是要提醒一個狀況因為現在剛剛林俊憲委員也有提到我們現在的路越開越大條越來越筆直那相對性的我們的燈號也多那個標線也多行人分隔島也多這個五花八門這個眼花繚亂 |
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真的有時候你一個外地人到一個陌生的一個城市真的很容易發生危險啊那所以我剛剛為什麼一直提醒這個事情包含我們現在看到很多縣市的一個商圈我們現在整個在做一個行人環境包含你們講的一個規劃的部分但是我們看到的包含這個人行道的設置不當還有停車空間的不足甚至這個 |
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商圈這個貨車的停卸的 停貨的空間的規劃我覺得都沒有一個完整的一個配套確實是有很多要改善的空間總不能工程做下去之後這樣再來修改 再來處理這都造成很多的黑暗 交通黑暗起了一個問題所以這部分我還是要特別提醒交通部我們應該要來全面來盤點來檢視這部分我們一起來努力 |
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那另外針對我們2040年這個台灣汽機車電動化的目標的部分那截至目前今年度我想我們設定的目標是2025年電動大客車的普及率35電動小客車1.4還有電動機車要達到7.9的目標那請問一下 政次這個目標會達成嗎 |
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這裡頭有關公車啦或小客車啦我們大概都有達成預定設定的目標那機車的部分呢目前這個還在努力中啦市售比的話今年應該到17那目前大概是10.7所以這之間還有一些差距我們還要再努力這個我們還是要積極啦不然我們就只有處理一個指標在那邊但是KPI都達不到 |
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這個不管在委員會也好或是在議會都會被檢討啊我想這個不是為了這個數字而是為了整個我們的這個達到近年轉型的一個目標嘛電動機車我們會再會同經濟部還有環境部共同來看怎麼樣來促進相關的一個普及率 |
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對那另外本席這邊也發現我們目前這個大眾運輸工具當中這個電動化最差就是計程車的部分目前全台9萬輛的計程車普及率只有1.5%那其實交通部在110年就有設立一個計程車的一個汰換的要點鼓勵要電動化但是我相對性我們的這個這個雖然有這個規劃但是我們的動作卻很消極 |
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那像112年就沒有編列相關經費那113跟114只各編列50輛那這樣子如何達成這樣的一個目標而且我們目前的計程車的量那麼多要怎麼樣做這樣的一個環境的一個改善 |
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這個部分我跟委員報告一下之前在108年或109年大概有這個補助計程車他就換新那都是來源的那最主要是要降低國內這個計程車的車領提高服務的品質那現在針對這個計程車希望能夠達到兩個目的第一個部分就是說因為目前啊 |
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在今年的話計程車的車領大概平均6.8那以往去啟動這個機制的話大概車領平均到8年那後面剛剛委員所提到的部分就是說未來計程車這個開放一些機制的啟動的部分目前這個部裡面在規劃這個電動計程車的部分那要跟行政院提期間計畫那這個部分的話最主要就是說 |
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那個計程車要去推這個電動化的部分的話一定要有國產車要有這個商用然後性能比較好的部分那也感謝經濟部在這個去年跟今年的部分也推出了這一個國產化的兩型的這一個電動車那我們現在在觀察這兩型的一個性能之後那目前在研擬這個電動計程車的一個這個這個目標什麼時候可以達成這個有沒有訂立一個KPA的數目 |
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我們後面的部分的話應該是2030還是2035希望能夠擋到50%我們大概從明年開始就剛才講有那個旗艦計畫會來補助電動計程車在應該是2030會有大概台灣一半以上的計程車希望變成是電動化好 那我想我最後一個問題 |
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因為我們現在這個小琉球是非常夯的一個旅遊景點我們一年有100多萬的遊客到小琉球來旅遊那他們使用的交通工具都是機車為主那過去我們有喊出一個希望小琉球打造一個低碳島的一個目標但是目前看起來看起來我們目前的這個註冊業者更新了上千台的電動車但是整個島的充電站卻吃有兩個地方了 |
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這點點都是沒電啊 這車皮要怎麼用這個問題要怎麼去協助做改善這幫我跟我們報告一下目前大概小琉球的電動機車大概以國內南部一個車廠的車種為主要啦那相關充電站的布設大概也是這邊在做這一個布設那這個部分的話我們會同經濟部常話說因為那邊有這個充電站的補助那也有電動機車的一個這個補助而這個是這個目前那 |
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可以再做看看可以就是說更精進的部分那另外一個部分剛剛這個召委也有提到就是說部裡面今年要來推動這個地攤交通區的部分那目前大概跟這個屏東縣政府大概也有先談過那屏東縣政府大概也有意願就是說針對小琉球這邊希望就是說來提升住院車輛電動化這個部分希望把它列為可以爭取的一個計畫那目前這跟屏東縣政府在演繹當中 |
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對啦 我也是希望交通部我們都訂了這個目標地毯島也喊了很久但是這個執行面一直都有落差我們希望從這個100多萬的遊客到那邊的一個機車使用不要造成一個環境的一個污染嘛那尤其小琉球又是一個很指標的一個環境我想我們應該更加深做這個區塊做成一個很重要的一個示範島那我們一起希望我們部裡面給我們的縣政府更多的一個力道 謝謝 |
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謝謝委員好 謝謝許富奎委員接下來邀請蔡其昌委員發言謝謝主席 請陳次長請陳次長 |
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市長早安市長今天想跟你討論一下這個我們公車全面電動化的這個議題我看了一下我們這個台灣2050的淨零碳排路徑跟策略規劃12項關鍵戰略計畫之七運具電動化及無碳化這個報告裡面 |
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我們詳細訂了電動市區公車它的普及率2023年我們當時是12.5所以我們希望在2023年年底達到21然後2025年達到35那現在已經2025年了市長你知道現在的電動市區公車的普及率是多少嗎 |
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這個部分我跟委員報告一下目前大概就是說113年底的一個市區公車那個電動市區公車的這個總數的部分市區公車加上少數大概將近30輛的這個公務客運的部分的話現在實際上路運行的大概這個1900多輛大概將近這個2000輛那目前去年這個公務總局已經核定給這個地方政府大概也將近2000輛的一個這個車 |
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如果說以這個商路這個運行然後再加上合併中在這個採購打造的這個部分的話大概將近這個3000輛的一個這個車這個大概是去年的部分那今年要達到35%的部分的話那今年公務總局會在這個按照計畫來這個合併 |
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那我印象中今年至少會核定1600輛的一個這個東西給各地方政府去分配給相關的市區跟業者來做採購跟這個換薪好所以換言之到本席今天講話的時候我們核定了多少輛實際在運行有多少輛 |
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實際運行將近2000輛合併的部分將近1400多輛明年在今年2025年達到4600輛佔普及率35%有沒有問題 |
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我們會朝這個目標來做努力因為我跟委員報告一下現在世家客運業者的產能沒有問題那因為市區客運主體的部分是地方政府在這個我們這個錢分配給地方政府那現在也跟地方政府就是說要趕快這個他們所轄的客運業者按照車頂趕快核定來做汰換所以這中間有一個緩解我們必須要跟地方政府來做一個合作 |
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所以到去年年底我們的目標是達成的 |
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是我目標應該是我如果沒記錯應該是2125什麼25是25那我們大概領牌的跟核定的大概有剛才講到大概約3300輛所以他的那個普及率大概到31.5的樣子所以你們是所以如果再放眼2025我覺得我們應該可以逐步來達成好 |
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那各縣市我們回到各縣市的比例這個六都當中高雄最高是35.8對不對然後六都的像台中就剩下18桃園就剩下3.4那還有幾個六都以外的縣市是零一台都沒有嗎 |
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那在分配上面這些包括比例很低的六都比例很低或者公車營業數量幾乎掛零的交通部的看法是什麼 |
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這邊跟委員報告一下大概就是說確實目前電動公車的數量大概主要集中在六都那最主要就是說六都的市區科運路線跟數量會比較多那這個除了六都之外大概這個市區公車比較多那個數量跟路線數比較多大概就是基隆的那部分那像有一些我舉個例子譬如說像台東花蓮它本身的市區科運沒關係我就列出幾個掛領譬如新竹市 |
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吉隆市這兩個都零嘛對那目前公務總局在核定給地方政府都優先以這些心事來做這個核定而且核了那核了之後目前就是在催促地方政府督促這些客運業者趕快去採購然後這個領牌商業好那你核你核給他到今天譬如說以2024好了2024你有核給他嗎 |
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他2024已經過完了嘛 他還是0對不對是這樣嗎 |
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跟這個我們報告就是說核熱之後那這個坑業者他必須要去做採購那採購車輛有一定的這個打造的這個期間但是在公務局的這個補助要點裡面有限定這個核定完之後多少期間要這個領排所以目前還在這個期間裡面後續這個公總大概每個月都會邀請地方政府來這個盤點大家執行的一個這個進度 |
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OK,那這樣六都裡面比例很低,譬如說桃園跟新北3.4跟9.8就是你的看起來就目前超標就幾個靠高雄、台南、台北台北也沒有,台北21而已嘛,你以25為基準的話只有台南跟高雄是高的 |
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那其他甚至桃園只有3.4跟你現在講的2024年達到25這個差距還是很遠嗎那這些縣市是怎麼樣這個大概是這個領排實際在營運的部分那像新北跟桃園的部分的話大概就是去年這個核定他這些這個完成採購商務之後那個比例就會上來台中也是一樣台中也是18也是低於平均水準 |
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這裡頭顯現的是領牌啦 上路領牌那剛才有特別提到今年或即將在去年或是今年會合的 它的數量就會增加對 那我其實是這樣嘛 因為我是依照你這個嘛你這個2023年21% 2024年25% 2025年要35%這個是領牌還是還是你們已經合訂要補助的 |
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所以我還是在講領牌嘛我用這個數字合定跟領牌一起算因為我們合定它了以後它就會去打造打造完了它就會領牌所以它其實這一部車所以實際上路的不會低於你們列出來的目標嘛那可不可以把實際上路的目標也給我啦 |
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我們講電動公車我們是在講空污嘛我們的它的概念是這樣子嘛所以實際上路的才能解決空污嗎 |
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跟我們報告一下就是說這個35%的目標裡面的話因為這個有營運的有核定的那核定我們的規定最多不能超過9個月因為車輛要打造9個月一定要上路所以這個核定跟整個總數裡面核定大概會有一些數量是有9個月的時間差需要去採購車輛然後完成打造車輛沒關係你就給我一個你現在核定三個數字嘛你核定的 |
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然後呢實際運行的跟打造中的你要給我嗎再來搭配還有一個就是你的目標嘛我要講的意思就是說 |
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中央有中央的問題如果說我們今天因為我們沒有任何的強制力就我們面對你這個是2050淨零碳排的路徑這是中央政府施政的目標我們就是讓台灣空氣品質變好我們要淨零碳排嘛 |
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那進入到裡面有這個運一項一項的很多項目啦那我講的就是我先處理這個我們已經電動巴士我們搞很久了嘛電動公車那電動公車那麼久到底你今天跟你的目標的差距到底在哪裡啦我們台中也又倒一斤了 |
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這個電動巴士又倒一間去了那我要講的就是說你第一個如果是我們中央在補助或者在法規上面沒有強制力那我們就要想辦法去做好如何可以落實這個目標的法規跟預算但如果法規跟預算都沒有問題那我就要問嘛台中市、新北市、桃園市這三個市是在幹嘛 |
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市長要有一點責任 不能都沒責任你對於大家一起我們講過淨零碳排是不能遺漏任何一個人更不能遺漏任何一個城市嘛那你搞到剩下3.4我們台中還要10倍啦雖然你現在你講的你說到今年標準中央的標準是25啦要達到25%我們台中也要標準以下 |
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阿存這9.8到3.4到底是什麼情形嘛到底是因為這個管理商都不配合說我們這個管理商空氣比較壞沒關係我們這裡的人肺比較健康所以我們這裡空氣比較壞沒關係我們要有方法嘛阿不然這個又要罵了 每次都地方政府汙染都說中庸都每天就中庸啦這數據在這裡嘛 我要說的就是說 |
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你中央 如果說今天我們補助款就沒漏氣你們沒有核定給人家說你中央都沒有給我補助還是說我們的法規就是一大堆問題中央沒有立定這個法 相關的法規所以我地方政府無所適從沒有辦法遵守那中央就要檢討但如果我這些都做了你地方政府數據出來還給我搞一個18 9.8 3.4 |
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這些縣市首長 縣市政府難道不需要出來講講話嗎我們每天在檢討台灣的空屋這些縣市首長不需要出來空屋團體也應該去找他們一下啊 數字管理啊為什麼這些縣市首長不配合啊原因到底是什麼啊 |
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所以本席是站在我們要釐清問題啦事情不能大家瞎貨嘛到底是怎樣可以我們都有訂定我們的計畫裡面都有目標每一年要做到哪裡都很清楚啊到底為什麼有一些人他就可以這樣子你現在講數據好像剛剛你跟我講我是不知道你跟我說達標嘛好啦我就姑且相信達標啊達標我們以前檢討過的高雄做到35.8 |
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也有3.4%的這是什麼情形所以市長時間到了因為主席不好意思給他每次都耽擱太多時間本席希望你們好好的檢討一下到底這些地方政府是怎樣 |
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委員簡單回應一下有關這個電動車的推動的這樣的一個情形我們大概有責請公務局邀請地方政府來相關的去檢討那如何來加速這個地方來審議那另外一個有關這個各縣市的最後的領牌的情形這個我們也會請公務局必要時這個定期來公布相關的一個結果市長這個要加油一下這個不可以這樣子 |
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這個有些才三點多,要靠過,如果平均達到那個標準,這個我覺得不合理啦大家如果都差一點點沒關係,有些人只有一點,但不能差距太遠嘛差距太遠,公民團體上街遊行說空汙不好空汙不好每次都找那些特定那幾個人,這樣有利 |
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所以大家數據管理我沒有任何意見我也沒有特別去強調哪一個縣市是哪一個黨我就拿數據出來講話大家理性一點來討論為什麼這些人不做他們到底有什麼問題什麼毛病為什麼不做如果是中央的我們要虛心檢討要趕快改進如果我中央錢也到了法規也到了你地方不做 |
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不做就個人造業個人擔啊不能每次都找中央算帳這哪有道理好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝蔡齊昌委員接下來邀請何欣淳委員發言好謝謝昭偉我們請這個陳次長請陳次長 |
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市長早我想現在是元旦剛過一月份那今年的農曆年特別的早大概在三個禮拜就過年了所以我關心的是我們春節的疏運雖然大家會想說 |
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所以理論上應該不會有交通打結的問題可是我想我們有那麼多次的每年的經驗告訴我們這個春節年前這個大家要返鄉過年這是台灣人的人情味跟過年的氣氛一定要回家團圓 |
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所以春節前這個一定是我們疏運的一個最大最大的一個挑戰對不對所以我就要請教一下我們現在到底準備好了沒有這個首先先從高鐵來講高鐵今天也有人來吧 |
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高鐵高鐵我一再的強調從去年的中秋節發生了台中站發生了這個人龍排了又排繞了好幾圈以後呢高鐵每次都跟我說他面對年連假啦面對這個重大節日一定都有所準備但是呢我們又看到媒體有報導高鐵台中站在今年的跨年還是什麼還是一團亂 |
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跨年爆倉人滿為患上面有媒體報導有拍下的照片整個車廂站滿的人站滿的人甚至還影響到搭乘高鐵的旅客出入的通行所以有對號座的旅客甚至走不進去 |
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那這個東西我只是就提出來希望市長能夠好好的來要求高鐵那我們接下來的春節的疏運能不能做好市長你覺得這是問題嗎為什麼每一次都有每一次的挑戰每一次都有每一次的被人民抱怨的地方 |
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跟委員做一個說明有關這個今年的春節也是誠如委員講的會有很多的旅客在台中站所以昨天其實部長就召開了相關的一個春節輸運的一個相關的會議在那個會議裡頭也特別針對高鐵台中站的輸運的情形有做相關的一個指示 |
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當然就是要該會員的他們也有相關的SOP的機制所以希望他們一定要落實那落實之外呢其實更希望他們能夠找到這個在他們的輸運裡頭所存在的一個風險針對那個風險來研議更加精進的一個做法那另外一方面就是說當高鐵的相關的旅客都已經就是說在輸運能量上有限的情況下交通部相關的單位譬如說台鐵或國道客運 |
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如何來加入資源這個也是在這個昨天開會裡頭也有一些相關的一個討論而且也請不管是這個鐵道局或者是台高公司都希望他們能夠去研議相關的一個方案 |
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我希望還有三個禮拜的時間我想很多的SOP跟這個因應方式措施都可以再精進再調整的更好更周全我不希望說以高鐵為例去年中秋發生的那個問題然後解決了然後現在跨年又發生了一個 |
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沒有辦法因應的一個狀況然後又惹民怨那如果這些每一次只要碰到連假或是碰到重大節日就爆出一個沒有辦法因應的狀況的情況之下會讓國人對於我們的這個高鐵是我們這個交通運具裡面的最高規格的也是最快速的一個鐵路鐵道軌道運輸結果還是會發生這樣的事情那我覺得這個會有損國人對我們的信任度跟支持度這第一點 |
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那除了高鐵之外當然我們就要講高鐵之外剛剛次長有講到的台鐵國道準備好了沒有還有機場尤其這個今年的年假有高達9天我預計往前推跟往後推大概出國的人潮會大爆滿以這個上次我們媒體也有 |
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講過這個現在啊在疫後啊這個出國人數大爆發或者是我們的國外的要來進來台灣的觀光旅客我看看今天的新聞有寫到也會預計會破千萬人次喔那機場 |
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我們的機場不管是桃園機場台中機場或者是小港機場那重中之重我想應該大家會覺得是桃園機場會大塞車尤其呢光是安檢或是整個動線的一個安排那沒有辦法去化所以呢這個我們機場現在在還有三個禮拜可以來因應調整這個春節這個出國跟來台灣的觀光客那我們有沒有準備好 |
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那個董事長來做說明一下 |
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是非常謝謝委員機場在最近曾經發生過一次塞車那一次塞車的事件事實上它有兩個原因一個是旅客量增加航班就是航機的量體是增加的沒錯所以同樣的一班飛機帶來旅客量進出的旅客量是增加那問題出在兩個關鍵點一個是安檢一個是這個查驗的問題那安檢的部分第一個是動線上它的設備不能損壞 |
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因為目前我們上一次的這個賽車事件是九條的安全線裡面有一條臨時故障所以那個部分我們已經請行警局要特別去教講做維護所以要講請行警局要特別春節的因應措施不能出錯對 |
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這兩天我們已經開了兩次會另外一個是人力不足的問題行警那邊已經向上面求助所以在警政署那邊他們已經加派了57個人力多少人力 警政署57位的人力因為每一條安檢線的配置人力如果不到4位的話都有可能會作業上比較慢他們已經知道這個問題的嚴重性院裡面也非常關心這個問題所以會加強把這個問題克服掉 |
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是喔董事長你剛剛現在講的大家都在聽喔我們期待這一次的春節在機場桃園機場的旅運是一個順暢的喔就算會塞也不能塞個好幾個小時啊人潮無法去化那甚至會影響到這個航班的起飛啊是不是 |
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是所以機場公司一起服務的幾個單位CIQS單位都有責任我們會協調所以橫向跟垂直的一個溝通協調拜託要真的是精進而且真的是能夠到位啦好不好那台鐵跟國道呢 |
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報告委員來台鐵報告委員謝謝委員的關切我們現在台鐵目前已經加開了302班就委員這裡所提到的運能會增加7.3%那我們目前持續掌握我們的訂票狀況跟還有我們的決策支援系統所以我們預計在1月10號還會再加開24列次讓整體運能提升到9.2% |
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那針對委員關切的這個台中的這個部分我們現在目前在第二波加班我們還會加開五列次的台中到台北的一個直達車那兩個小時內就可以從中部區的民眾就可以到台北那台北也可以回到台中 |
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對來回這個部分我們也有在處理那我們跟高鐵也有配合高鐵的在台中烏日站的應變小組我們也會橫向加強聯繫隨時來因應處理有可能高鐵可能產生的外溢的一個效果以上好那國道呢 |
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跟委員報告國道部分我們是跟國道公警的部分已經有合作那我們最大的風險是事故事故的部分那我們在事故的一個防止我們國道在國道系統還有銜接的其他的快速道路系統那尤其我們國道1號國道3號跟74號是中部地區最容易有瓶頸塞車的一個路段 |
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對就尤其是初二初三初四這三天因為我們大概就全就是年假的部分就這三天全國那個全年當中就是三天會超過一百三十萬百萬車公里以上的車次那我們這一段的部分的話我們會重點一個看守就是說在這裡面有任何一個狀況都會馬上去做一個處理 |
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你們現在對媒體是說有七大疏導措施嘛對不對對我們就希望是說對重點的瓶頸的這個路段跟時間跟空間的一個分流啊主要就是這個部分啊希望這民眾用路人可以來配合的不要大家就集中一個時間多集中一個一個一個時段進去的話那當然就會塞如果說做一個分流的話他會比較順暢一些 |
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是啦我們每年都是這樣子宣導啦但是每年都還是會有塞車的現象啦那我們只能期待不要塞太久啊是在可以容忍可以容忍的一個這個塞車時段如果沒有事故的話就應該是不會塞太久那另外一個是我們1968年所以你預期今年的初二初三初四你剛剛講的這個運量最高的這三天裡面如果沒有交通事故的話不會塞太久 |
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還是會塞但不會塞太久1968會提供完整的資訊大家可以來多參考那個入房資訊市長我還是希望雖然昨天部長有主持但是接下來我們還有將近三個禮拜的時間我希望海陸空通通要做好這個春節這個年假的一個疏運的一個完整完善的一個因應措施 |
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我覺得還是要給國人一個信任信任我們的政府部門在交通這個區塊在過年大家歡喜過年的這個時刻不會因為塞車不會因為上不了飛機不會因為錯過班機不會因為在高鐵上不了車坐不了位子那少了這個過年的興致啦所以我覺得這個對台灣人民來講 |
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春節 過年很重要的啦 好不好 市長我們大家一起努力啦 我也期許啦 我相信你們做得到啦 是 我跟委員報告 除了剛才講說昨天開了 應該是部長開第一次會議啊 部長也說啊 這會議不是只開一次啊所以後續呢 我們會來追蹤各單位辦理的情形 務必要落實執行 好 謝謝好 謝謝何新松委員好 接下來邀請黃國昌委員發言 |
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社會主席麻煩有請次長以及我們台積公司董事長楊董事長委員好這個事情我追蹤了很久我們國家要推動自駕車 |
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政策方向上面我是高度肯認但問題是我們在推動自駕車的過程裡面從中央政府到地方政府撒了大把的銀子搞了一個詐騙的廠商來搞我公開點名過很多次就是李立搞這個詐騙的廠商來搞搞到從政府這邊拿了一堆錢一事無成 |
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現在最新的受害人是我們淘擠三航廈我直訊了很多次啊我確認一下現在淘擠三航廈的旅客運輸系統工程啊淘擠公司是不是解約了已經在12月19號正式解約12月19號解約嗎好 那現在問題來了解約是一回事啊當初怎麼審核的啊 |
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浪費的時間誰要負責任一年多以前先給這個爛廠商搞不下去了被抓包了匆匆解約這個事情交通部要不要追究責任 |
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還是交通部覺得 啊沒關係啦 算了啦風涼到了啦 現在解約就OK啦來 交通部 表達政策立場要不要追究責任我想我跟委員做說明這一個標案的最終的一個結果呢我想我們會請淘擠公司去檢討做相關的一個檢討要多久呃 是就請淘擠公司檢討要多久交通部要有立場啦 |
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檢討要多久 我想我們會進速請淘擠公司來做相關的一個檢討進速對不起啊 形容詞我聽不懂啊什麼叫進速兩個禮拜夠不夠我想 兩個禮拜夠不夠委員我們在一個月內提出 好一個月內請他們檢討 我下會期喔我一定會持續的追而且這件事情上面我會反映在預算的凍結案之上絕對讓交通部很有感 |
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台灣什麼時候這麼重要的事情可以因為政商關係良好找一個爛廠商啊連淘機都給他做搞了半天發現搞不出來沒有辦法了解約納稅人要看到的不是只有檢討一個月內的檢討報告就責名單一併交出來 |
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救責名單一併交出來那否則的話就在調查報告寫清楚啊經過我們的交通部全盤的考慮沒有任何的人需要為這件事情負責任有勇氣就白紙黑字把這句話寫出來第二件事情解約以前 |
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林佳龍跑去找標案的兩個事主一個叫吳定發一個叫李佳如結果連廖子晨都找來了找來出來喬事情交通部有沒有掌握不是很清楚那你們就問一下你們的前部長嘛關他什麼事出來喬什麼要喬什麼要喬什麼 |
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連吳定發都找來李佳如也找來廖子誠也找來找來喬什麼喬解決方案這個事情交通部都不知道完全不知道我想交通部不清楚 是淘汰是不是知道淘汰完全不知道完全不知道這個事情嘛好 下一步目前給廠商撥了多少錢 |
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目前給廠商的金額不多我們目前正在辦理結算那已經通知承包商是承運公司不是履歷公司是是是所謂給廠商的錢不多是多少這個帳等一下我查一下馬上跟你回報好什麼時候要回來這個要經過這個法定的結算程序那這個部分結算完了以後我們會該給的會給但是不該給的我們一毛錢都不會給什麼事都沒有做出來什麼叫做該給的該給他什麼 |
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延宕了一年多一事無成還有該給的喔這個要按照合約的規定來辦理跟採購法的規定來辦理沒有關係啊你們按照合約按照採購法你們認為什麼該給什麼要追回來什麼時候追回來給我一個清楚的書面報告好不好因為在這邊口頭講的啦我老實講很空泛啦不夠特定也不夠具體 |
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白紙黑字給我答案這件事情我一定追到底我一定追到底這件事情不能就這樣算否則這個國家重大的公共工程建設根本就不是靠能力也不是靠專業是靠政商關係是看到後面政治上面的八股夠不夠強哪有這回事的我要說一次 |
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不是解約就算囉檢討就責後面錢要回來的部分後面錢要回來的部分請交通部請交通部大力的督促淘氣公司這件事情要做完整可以嗎沒有問題好謝謝黃國昌委員接下來邀請楊瓊英委員發言 |
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我們來討論近溫室氣體排放的議題我們也看到2021年溫室氣體排放的量是2.7535萬公噸 |
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那其中運輸的部分我們來看看運輸的碳排量大概是3546萬公噸所以他佔總排量大概是12%2022年呢是大概佔了13%所以在這樣的情況之下我們根據經濟部2022年的這個燃料燃燒的二氧化碳排放的統計跟分析裡頭他報告告訴我們 |
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他們預計要設定的這個碳費的費率是每公噸10塊美金10元美金那所以每公噸大概要付費的方式來計算台鐵我們自己台鐵的這個排碳成本是最高我們大概要付1.2億多那麼高鐵是第二個要將近8390萬的這個金額那所以本市要請教次長 |
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在我們運輸業雖然他沒有列入在首波的這個碳費徵收的名單當中但是他會受到電力因為電力有納進來電力業的一個徵收碳費所增加的營運成本那所以現在又要快春節了大家很緊張又通膨 |
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所以在這樣的情況之下勢必會增加成本所以本席要請教在這樣的一個情況之下我們是不是會調漲台鐵跟高鐵的這個票價請做說明我跟委員報告目前並沒有調整台鐵跟高鐵的一個票價目前 |
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好我非常的歡喜聽到你聽到民意的聲音剛剛特別也講因為通膨的原因所以這個部分在現階段是不宜但是我還是要提醒因為我們已經走到跟世界接軌所以這個議題你也務請要第一名的我們的台鐵要未來要怎麼去因應跟高鐵怎麼因應方案要去研擬 |
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我是不是可以跟委員簡單做說明一下有關這個台鐵或高鐵因為他是一個算是在經濟部來看他是屬於用電大概800千瓦以上的所謂的用電大戶 |
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所以呢他大概要做一些深度的節能的一個計劃雖然交通業沒有列入在第一波但是電力業就已經列入在第一波 |
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那我再跟委員做說明一下那也是一樣有關這個環境部在做剛才講碳費的一個徵收是海鐵高鐵並沒有納入沒有錯但是呢他們是有需有要求類似像這個排碳量2.5噸以上的要做一些盤查所以要儘速去盤查那從碳盤查以後如何再去做碳減量 |
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這非常重要因為它是一個循環而且是相關雖然沒有列入 交通業者沒有列入第一波但是第一波的向下電力已經有了所以你必須要謹慎已知好 接下來本校請教海業的部分海業的部分每排放的溫室氣體超過10億噸那麼全球的總排量是3% |
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日本海事協會他們就出估在2030年替代燃料生產成本將高於傳統燃料的部分是1.5倍到4倍尤其在電子甲烷跟電子甲醇的部分是在生產成本最貴的燃料所以會大量的投資使 |
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我們的船舶達到脫碳目標這個是世界的標準而且世界的走向而且是必要做的所以在這樣情況之下我們可以看出全球海運對於淨零排放的這個浪潮我們沒有辦法置身事外了所以從2024年開始歐盟的ETS將歐盟已經將我們的行業 |
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這個來納入 所以在這種情況之下 台灣在海運方面 我們碰到了非常緊張的事情 第一個 人才短缺 第一個第二個呢 人才流失所以本席要請教 詹仁甫你要怎麼樣去協助 培養人才 留住人才 讓海運的近鄰轉型 它能夠很順暢的跟國際接軌 請做說明 |
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我簡單說明再請葉局長 有關節能減碳的人才培育我的了解 航港局大概有相關的一個訓練計畫至於說因應國際的潮流對於使用不管是甲醇也好 或LNG的傳播也好我們都有相關的一個規劃 那我們的航商也有相關的一個因應 |
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你們有相關的因應 相關的規劃 但是業者還是很緊張所以我希望要能夠接軌 你將書面資料給本席你們怎麼樣的方案去培養人才 去留住人才 怎麼樣協助我想這個是我們國家非常重要的生產力的關鍵決勝者這個非常重要 這個海運那最後一個議題 本席請教次長 |
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未來高鐵要經過高雄站延伸到屏東在12月28 新聞稿正式公佈 對不對 |
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是不是 這個大家滿心的歡喜因為我們也希望高鐵都能夠更加的暢通所以因此在我們台中在11月15號你們交通部 鐵道局給本席我們要求去可行性評估我們台中站是不是要增加一站 |
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因為我們現在台中整個烏日高鐵站下來整個塞車塞得非常的嚴重尤其要上74線到要轉國三的這個部分上下班時間半個鐘頭算是正常的但是它不應當如此 |
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所以是不是應該在台中要來設一個多設一站來紓解相關因為現在我們台中的人口已經超過286萬人而且急劇的在增加交通樞紐都塞的這麼嚴重的情況之下交通部必須鐵道局你必須要去做可行性的評估台中站我強烈要求台中站鐵路台這個高鐵必須要增加一站請做說明 |
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包委員這個有一些系統技術上的問題要做確認我想我們另外再跟委員辦公室這邊來做詳細的說好你現在這麼說本席要告訴你台中市是全台第二大城市而且我們急劇在增加蓬勃發展所以務必要拜託你們去做可行性評估好不好 |
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這非常重要你們去評估可行性評估既然高雄到屏東都可以這麼做我們台中更需要做加一站做可行性評估好不好要請你趕快做可行性評估方案我們再來討論朝這個方向來努力台中站高鐵站再加一站的可行性評估 |
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我們先把可行性評估做出來好 你們預估大概多久時間會做出來呢這個可能要沒關係多久時間你給我一個時間就好是這個應該要花一點時間我們會確認再跟我們半年還是多久沒關係你告訴我還是一年可行性評估至少一年以上好那我們原則上定一年可行性評估出來台中站高鐵再加一站可行性評估給我們一個方向好嗎謝謝謝謝謝謝委員 |
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好謝謝楊瓊英委員接下來邀請黃建豪委員發言好謝謝趙偉那我們就先請這個交通部次長陳彥博次長請陳次長 |
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市長好,我們今天要討論能源減碳的問題核心問題當然是我們現在台灣多數的車輛它的能源怎麼樣使用我想最重要如果大家都是繼續開油車 |
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你要做到淨零碳排你要能源轉型是很困難的那如果電車或是油電混合車的比例提升那他才有可能性去往這個淨零碳排路線來走那也看到說從近年來這個整個車輛的這個佔比來講汽車這目前油車的比例扣掉電車跟油電混合車之後油車的比例還是高達大約92%那在機車的部分油車的比例也更高94.7%所以我想問一下 |
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在目前我們看到2023年的整個電動機車跟汽車的銷售其實也是相對來下滑的狀況下面不知道交通部有沒有評估說這個傳統油車什麼時候才有可能真的在市場上逐漸退場哪一年我們的電車數量才有可能去超過油車你們有算過嗎 |
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這個部分我大概跟委員報告一下按照目前戰略期的一個目標如果以這個電動小客車的部分大概2040我們目標是希望市售比達到百分之百這一個電動化那到2040這一個時期的話我們大概推估在這個市場就是說我們使用上面的這個總量的話大概電動車會佔百分之四十那燃油車可能還是這個略高一點 |
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市長那我問你就是說你們現在講的是推估那推估你們什麼政策目標就是你們提什麼樣的政策才能夠達到這個數字因為按照目前的數字看起來 |
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你的油車就佔了90%對不對那其實電車或油電車已經上市一段時間了好幾年了那到目前為止它的比例還是這麼高那到底是哪些政策可能是關稅嗎還是其他的燃料稅因為燃料稅也要增的嘛也要還增燃料稅所以電車也要增燃料稅了所以你是稅制上給它優惠還是價格上給它優惠還是什麼樣的政策給它優惠我舉個例子過去台中市曾經推過台中市的電動車路外停車免費跟這個充電樁免費 |
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當然現在也要收費了可是因為過去的所謂停車免費跟充電裝免費的結果並沒有有效的改善說什麼電車的比例所以我今天要問的是說你今天今天我們討論的是陸海空的這個淨營碳排那汽車如果油車的比例還這麼高的話那後續交通部會提出什麼樣的對策還是你要直接要求廠商不能再生產油車我看這也不太可能啦所以到底要什麼樣的政策來鼓勵消費者去轉換他的使用習慣你們有做過這件事情的評估嗎 |
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有跟委員報告一下這個部分的話大概就是說從這個供給跟需求兩個層面來做處理那剛剛委員這邊所顯現的部分的話大概是就是說電動車輛佔總數車輛的一個這個比例那目標上面要就是說目前這個電子目標是從新車市售比就是說先從車輛新車的供給要先出來 |
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這個當這個車輛供給的這個比如說車型的一個數量電動車大於燃油車的一個這個部分的話那就是一個關鍵的這個轉捩點所以第一個部分的話大概就是說那這個目前的階段是著重在三個部分第一個部分就是說讓電動車的車型數量越多越這個趕快出來那第二個部分就是國產的這個 |
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這個電動車目前已經有了因為我想國產跟進口差別就在這個價格那這個大部分這個比較這個就是說這個比較市場可以接受的部分我相信這個國產車還是佔比較大的一個比例那在這個需求端的部分是透過布設完這個充足完善的充電環境因為有車就必須要這個充電那如果說這個環境這個比較完善的話就能夠那個那 |
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到這個下一個這個階段的一個部分那目前就有一些因為電動跟燃油這個相差的就是一個能源效率的這個部分那目前這個能源署這邊也在修這些相關能耗辦法管理的規定剛聽起來其實你們的目標是先做到供給面新車的數量新車的款式電車要比油車的款式選擇來的更多嘛好那你們有什麼時候要做到這件事情 |
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目前沒有啊目前都一直在這個鼓勵啦像這個國產車的部分那個經濟部廠發出這邊也投入資源包括國內已經有這個我知道我現在問你說什麼時候嘛你們有總有期程嘛預計的就是今天大家訂出2050淨零碳排的這個政策目標 |
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那我先問你說那好那你提供新的車款出來那你剛剛提到我們先不管現有的跟新車的比例因為現在按照現有比例來講的確要追上很困難那你至少先做到說我新車的比例是電動車電車的比例或油電火車的比例超越了油車嘛是不是這樣子剛剛的意思是這樣嘛那這件事情這個政策你們預計有什麼時候要達成你總要有一個期程啊 |
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這個部分的話原則上就是說目前這個2040之後這個市場上基本上就不允許這個燃油車在販售了因為2040市售比百之百就是市場販售的全部都是這個電動的一個這個車輛 |
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那當然我跟委員報告就是說在這個目前就是一路的一個這個過程當中可能到2030這個或2035以後當市場這個市售的新車這個達到80%的時候那相對的各車廠或是進口這個燃油油的部分可能在這個管制的這個力道上就會有配耗時間有限喔那我再問一個問題剛剛也提到一個事情燃料稅的部分 |
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過去當然汽油車有燃料的問題那電車你的燃料稅一下要新的政策也要準備來整個電車來課的燃料稅那你這樣子的政策目標跟你要推動淨寧碳排溫推動電動車的政策是背道而馳 |
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跟我們報告一下 基本上就是說這個目前啦就是說在稅費的部分車輛主要就是使用牌照稅跟這個棄產費的部分那為鼓勵電動車的部分以往大概就是說使用牌照稅跟這個棄產費大概這個免徵那我印象中應該財政部使用牌照稅是屬於地方稅大概就是應該115年開始 |
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115年會開始就是說那個使用排照水的部分就沒有在這個優惠但是漆藍費的部分目前我們估算起來原則上還不實質影響所以原則上還是會維持一個階段的這個免徵 |
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免徵嗎好謝謝好再接下來下一張下一張那這題討論完了那就要問一下這一樣我想在路上跑的機車類似機車東西很多種我提到電動代步車電動輪椅電動輔助自行車微型電動二輪車跟電動滑板車跟電動平衡車好這幾種我想問一下市長跟市長你們知道哪一些可以上人行道哪一些可以在車道哪一些在自行車道嗎 |
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這裡面的部分的話大概基本上都是屬於有三類啦這個像這個電動輔助自行車跟微型電動二輪車是屬於這個自行車的慢車 |
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那這個電動滑板車跟電動平衡車這個是也是屬於慢車但是屬於這個自立就是個人行動的一個這個器具沒關係 市長因為時間時間不夠我覺得可以看下一節給大家解答這是我們辦公室爬梳了各項法令之後得出的結論我看一下答案應該是對的啦如果錯有錯你們要糾正我們 |
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電動代步車 電動輪椅 電動輔助自行車只能這三個可以在人行道上面那能夠上車 只能上自行車道的只有這個電動輔助自行車跟微型電動二輪車都可以在自行車道那進行混合車道的是輔助自行車跟微型電動二輪車那很多人在使用的電動滑板車跟電動平衡車這個是連人行道依法它是連人行道都不能去的但是我們路上還是常常看到所以我要問的是說這些 |
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電動的類型我們當然希望大家不要去騎油車嘛希望能換個交通方式那這一些這六種市面上常見的載具那到底你的交通法規哪些能夠上路哪些不能夠上路那這同時也配合經濟部嘛它既然能夠生產能夠合法的販售那到底哪些能夠合法的上路我想一般民眾也是搞不清楚啊 |
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所以要問一下這個道理交通部對這是一個看法你要怎麼樣整合還是說一樣區分這麼多細節有的可以上人行道有的上自行車道有的可以上車道 |
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這部分我跟委員報告一下這幾類的部分車種分類非常明確那我簡單講就是說電動代步車或輪椅的這個部分的話這個是屬於行人輔具的部分它是跟行人結合在一起基本上就是說是這個可以走在這一個人行道有人行道就走這個右線這個人行道沒有人行道像一般行人的話就要靠這個路邊那另外一個部分就是說電動輔助自行車跟微型電動二輪車的這個部分的話 |
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一般原則上是走混合車道那如果說這個自行車道地方政府有特別允許他跟這個腳踏自行車這個這個並用的話那原則上就看這個主管機關的一個這個開放或者是這個管制那有關於電動滑板車跟電動平行車的部分現行處罰條例已經有開放但是因為這個牽涉到每個地方 |
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他的這個人行道空間或者是車道空間所以必須要由地方政府他去檢討他有訂一些相關規格跟使用規範之後那就可以按照地方政府市長 我要跟市長講為什麼今天特別提出來就是因為剛剛市長也不太會講這變成又回到地方政府了但是這個販售是全國性都在販售所以到底我哪些車在某些地方好像可以上人行道我換一個城市之後反而不能使用在某個城市會被開罰每個城市不會被開罰 |
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所以我是希望說交通部在這種各種這個債據上面能夠有比較一致化的標準不要說就像你剛剛提到有的地方自行車車道可以開放有的地方人行道可以開放那沒有人行道的地方怎麼辦呢沒有人行道的地方社會開放嗎因為實務上 |
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我國人行道就是建設不完整嘛所以在很多地方的話他在這個城市他可以使用可能滑板車他在人行道上誰使用他到別的地方去因為這個巷子裡面沒有滑板車那如果被檢舉了算誰的所以這部分我今天提出來希望說你們好好的去統整一下我們各項的這種個人債據這種雙兩輪的這種債據他這種電動輔具這種電動債據他到底的適用的法律標準 |
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把它明確一點那也要考量到現實你不能說就提到不能全部都有地方政府嘛因為我們講不同城市不同城市的狀況可以嗎市長我想委員剛才還是一樣啦尤其是行人輔具這個還是比較有地方性但是委員剛才特別提到如何讓地方能夠在設置上他也能夠有一些規範或遵循 |
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所以我剛才有跟市長講了我們大概會去朝你一個類似像使用指引來供地方政府來設置這樣的一個或規範這些這個器具或載具如何使用的一個規範後續書面報告再給我們我們再瞭解一下好不好好 市長謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝黃建豪委員接下來邀請廖先祥委員發言 |
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要請我們陳次長經濟部吳副署長電力公司溫總工程師稍等一下 |
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三位好 這個最近我的辦公室有收到這個民眾的澄清可能跟經濟部還有電力公司比較有關係就是說有女生就是家庭主婦會來跟辦公室反映說老公他老公最近常常晚上9點多10點多跑出門然後該怎麼辦你知道是什麼原因嗎兩位 |
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老公晚上九點多十點多出門然後過了一陣子可能過了一個小時兩個小時才回來電力公司是不是跟今天的主題有關係啦就是這個電動車我們現在進行的部分就是電動車那電動車我們台電是不是有針對電動車的電表有專門的時間電價 |
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報告是是那你知道尖離峰的大概電價大概是多少跟多少嗎因為我不是這方面的主管離峰大概是3塊4塊啦尖峰是多少 |
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12塊大概12塊所以說我們有很多的電動車主因為我們的電譬如說我們去第三方快充的時候那廠商他一定也是推時間電價嘛他也是尖峰的時候可能又收比較貴的錢他不可能虧本嘛那離峰的時候他就推很便宜的價格所以說我們現在很多電動車的車主很困擾就是說 |
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我們因為廠商就是這樣子定價所以我們常常就是必須在冬季九點過後夏季是十點過後那才能夠用比較便宜的價格去充電我們中油過去可能這個油價調漲的時候隔天要漲個兩角三角就大排長龍了你知道消費者的這個心情就是這樣子 |
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對多數的這個電動車主來講的話我充了一次電我可能就省了兩三百塊我當然晚一點出門啊 晚一點就充就好為什麼要在尖峰時刻充這也符合我們台電的精神但是對於我們國家要推動電動車來說它其實是一個健康的一種電價因為我們要去開電車要去補充能源的時候 |
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我們當然是希望越便利越好我們不希望要在這種很離縫的時段去衝那這個都是我們的電動車組會去考量的我可以後續請我們的經濟部然後邀請我們的可能交通部或者是電力公司兩個單位的立場會不一樣電力公司當然是因為有這個用電接木的問題但是交通部的立場應該是推動電動車那當然兩個中間就會有一個這個 |
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這個目標不一樣的時候那就可能有一個政策性不一樣的部分可不可以請台電公司去檢討一下電動車電表這樣子的一個這麼過大價差的一個合理性可不可以 |
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是謝謝委員我們回去他會檢討但是目前看起來就是為了解決這個尖峰的尖離峰的一些問題尖離峰我會吐槽你啊尖峰就是缺電嘛你們一說沒缺電那沒缺電又在尖離峰什麼好不好一個月好不好你們檢討一下那個我能不能 |
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講一下 這個其實在國外大概充電的方式大概都是類似這樣子為什麼 因為就是說其實現在的這個充電的系統它基本上會去偵測說你那個電池因為它電池漏的時候它有一個模式所以基本上像有些就是因為現在其實就是因為我們慢充的那個系統比較少所以大家都集中去快充 |
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那慢充的系統它其實有些功能是它會去偵測那個電池的模式然後比如說離風的時候它就會盡量去把它充飽然後尖峰的時候它就會避開那大家也不會集中在過渡在某一個地方去充電那對大家來說 家用當然可以這樣子設定啦但是當家裡沒有充電樁的時候你就只能去外面嘛 那就是價格的問題啦好不好 那一個月內提間可不可以 |
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好是謝謝委員好謝謝喔那因為我們現在在討論到這個淨零碳呃私人載具轉型的問題過程中呃當然現在第三方包括特斯拉以及很多第三方的超充業者賣現在都雨後春筍的在在擴張嘛對不對但是我們目前好像並沒有針對快充站有一個很明確的一個規定就像是我們呃停車場法有很明確的停車場路外停車場的設置的規範所以說 |
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現在因為都市的地方 地不好找所以說廠商就會有一些亂象產生就像我這頭影片顯示的 |
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左邊那張可能沒有看到人行道右邊這一張你很可以明確的看到最右邊的那台車它車殼比較大的越往左邊越來越小到第二台車的時候其實車子要停到最後面的時候它的車頭就已經到我們的人行道了如果說在更左邊的這一格它的車一定就是會站到我們人行道影響到我們行人通行的空間那針對這樣子的一個問題我們目前經濟部我們確定快充 |
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業者的主管機關會是是不是經濟部以及他有沒有適用的一個法規去給他做一些相關的限制跟委員報告一下那個經濟部管的部分就是說那個快充站他有一些用電設備他必須要符合用戶用電設備裝置規則 |
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那至於說那個地方因為現在的位置大部分都是停車空間去設的啦對那所以這個規範可能還是因為道路安全部分可能還是交通部這個可能要請教交通部的部分好沒關係那電力安全部分我們經營部會處理好下一張沒關係下一張你剛剛講的就是這個 |
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目前充電有兩個管道就是一般來說會設置在兩個地方一個是合法的停車場那合法的停車場裡面自然就有停車場法去規範這部分就沒有問題了另外一個就是非合法的停車場還是可以設充電樁難道不行嗎?可不可以?沒有在停車場內可以設快充設備嗎?有沒有一個單位會說不行? |
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我跟委員報告這個合法停車因為這個現在來講合法非法這個本來就是依照停車場法我不是說非法我是說不是在合法的停車場內我不是說它是非法停車場 |
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這兩個不一樣就是停車場裡頭當然充電樁的設置我們因為有停車場法的相關規定我們只是去規範它一定的比例所以它的空間什麼的都符合我們的規範它不會影響到包括出入口等等不會影響到交通裡面的車格規範有一定的長寬的配置它要去設置的時候但是當它這一站不是設在我們合法的停車場裡面的時候 |
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就沒有任何一個法可以管到他啦就像我剛剛講的他設了之後他的車子會停到人行道上啊我包括左邊這一張它其實是人行道我巴不進去我一定就會在人行道上面行車嘛我跟委員報告這分很多地方啊充電樁的設置你看像在公寓大廈裡頭也會有那你這裡在講到說譬如說在這一個空地裡頭要去設置當然設置的時候它就有相關的一個規範那規範是什麼 |
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譬如說你剛才講的用地的是不是用地可以在那個用地上來設對啊 那目前有沒有任何的規定可以規範 |
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這個可能要經濟部有沒有經濟部來做相關的規範我還是跟委員報告一下就是說現在我們用電的部分因為我們你們只管電嘛對不對對那因為車子要停上去要充電他一定有經過車子可以走的地方這個就可能不是經濟部可以對所以現在就是沒人管得到嘛我們交通部只管得到合法停車場對不對經濟部只管電力 |
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對 就是跟設家遊站什麼我跟委員稍微說明一下有關充電樁的主管機關這個在行政院已經綠定好相關的主管機關不是在交通部不是嘛 我也認為是經濟部啊所以所以但是經濟部剛剛講他們只管電力嘛他們不管場域嘛這或許他們來的不是真正主管因為他每一個東西設電的時候他有相關的規範他還是要去會同去看我告訴市長就是沒有今天我才在這邊質詢啊 |
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就是沒有不然特斯拉這種國際的企業有可能不遵守我們國家的規範在那邊亂設一通嗎所以我剛才就講因為這個也是一個長期以來我們整個行政院在推動我們基建我們鼓勵要多設充電樁但是我們一定也要確保我們設置快充站我們要有一個明確的一個設置的辦法就類似停車場法它不一定要像停車場法一樣但是必須要參考那這部分後續是不是可以請經濟部 |
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針對快充站這樣子的一個行業他所要使用的場域去做一個比如說他的車格的限制啊規範等等的你要交通部組織還是經濟部 |
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沒有錯我們分工的部分這個行政院現在是指定由經濟部負責但是因為充電樁的佈置的部分這個還是交通部主責所以這個部分最主要還是車子要實際可以開進去的那個不是我們經濟部主管問題是現在那邊一片空地交通部怎麼管得到那片空地 |
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我報告一下其實委員所指的部分就是說因應這個電動化未來會有商業營業用的充電站區這樣子的設置這個充電站區的設置基本上就跟以前的加油站的設置或是未來因應清冷會有加輕站的設置其實都是相同的一個道理 |
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那這個站區的一個這個設置的部分的話當然如果靠入口一定會考慮到出入口就是現在我們進出加油站這個這個加油現在加油站是用導視的部分那未來要像這種充電站的話可能就是這個車輛用排列的這個方式那這個部分的話我想經濟部留言組這邊可以待會去看是不是說針對充電站區的設置需不需要一個專責的這個規定他們可以來做一個這個考量 |
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或許今天來的人沒有辦法決定啦副組長可能也沒辦法代替經濟部來決定但是就後續請交通部跟經濟部回去這個東西要解決一下我們要廣設基礎設施但是我們要確保這些基礎設施它是至少它不要影響到像剛剛講的我們人行道人行的通行的問題包括以後設置的場域你的土地管制或是說你如果說已經是在建築法管制到的一些空地等等的 |
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他哪些地方可以設哪些地方不能設設的情況要有哪些車格的限制等等的我都希望經濟部未來有一個明確的規範不要說我們一面在推廣的時候但是卻又影響到其他的外部消費市要由我們全民行人來做承擔了好不好以上再麻煩我們的市長跟我們經濟部的長官謝謝好謝謝好謝謝廖先祥委員接下來邀請王逸川委員質詢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
主席我們請國發會跟交通部陳次長請國發會陳副處長 |
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好 我今天要問的題目是我們台灣的公車要全面電動化這件事情交通部有沒有認真在推動好 我們先看這一張今天你們交的報告陳市長 國發會說到去年的11月台灣電動車的普及率31.5 對嗎 |
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他這31.5就是剛才我們在很多都特別提到的就是包含這個在營運中的跟核定的台灣的大客車有幾輛啊 |
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市區電動公車大概11700輛來 部長你看你們的報告你們報告說要汰換電動大客車14500輛 |
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你們定義的是14500輛嘛 對不對那到去年的年底你們說你們已經領牌的是1926嘛1926除以14500輛是13.28 好我想跟你計較這些數字就是說國華會的數字啊應該也是交通部給的 |
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我稍微再跟委員說明一下那個原則上會多出來那個4000多部那個是公路客運的部分我們是在對啦我知道啦但是國化會把電動大客車它就這樣寫嘛但是我們一般對大客車的定義不是這樣因為對 |
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因為大顆車 遊覽車也是大顆車所以這些文字精準一點 好不好因為國外會看到數字也是你們給的 好不好那我們看下一張原來設定50%要電動化是指市區公車嗎那公路客運是交通部公路局管的要做嗎 |
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那為什麼公路客運都不來申請電動車目前大概重點先擺在這個市區公車的部分沒有重點嘛市區公車是市政府管的嘛六都市政府管的嘛對不對那公路客運是公路局管的嘛那為什麼公路客運的業者不申請 |
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電動公車跟我們報告並不是說客運業者不申請最主要就是說目前適合公路客運跟國道客運的電動的車的車型目前還在開發中應該這個今年第一季會有這個經過審議合格的這個車型出來因為在性能上面的要求會有不一樣 |
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那遊覽車呢遊覽車更是一個高性能的部分所以現在沒有遊覽車的電動車現行在科學園區大概有將近50輛這個電動遊覽但是他是用地地板另外就是專門跑這個 |
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市區公車六都剛剛蔡奇昌副院長有提到那個數量沒有機會讓你們解釋你們知道為什麼會有些都沒有嗎為什麼有一些很低為什麼有一些很高嗎 |
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你不要笑啊 你知道答案你就講啊好 這部分我大概跟委員報告一下因為就是說確實電動公車的一個這個推產各縣市都這一個不太一樣啊那但是這一個就是關鍵是什麼關鍵在於就是說確實像有一些這個縣市它起步可能推的比較不是啦 |
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就是車公里成本不一樣嗎?編的補貼不一樣嗎?現在全台灣對電動公車車公里成本給最高的是誰?我印象中應該是台中或者是台南吧台南啦台南給蠻高的56.34啦第二名第二名是桃園啦 |
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桃園52.7再加購車補助桃園喔桃園給最高的車公里喔然後又給購車補助喔結果他是六都最後一名為什麼 |
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當時有關那個車子應該是想說一開始的時候我們大概只有幾行所以很多的客運業者大概在觀望其他的車型我跟你講關鍵就是地方政府的這些加碼補助跟對車工裡的計算不一樣就會導致各城市的客運業者願不願意把柴油公車連線到的時候換成電動公車 |
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所以你們要去盤點這六都他們對這個車公里成本的計算到底哪裡不一樣 因為你們只做這個購車補助嘛 對不對好 那剛剛我再請問一下 那購車補助車子買來了要充電的那個場地啊各縣市政府跟客運業者有沒有遇到困難 |
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放月子有沒有想要因為他們的車都要休息嘛他們都要充電嘛那充電的地方有沒有遇到抗爭遇到人家不讓他設那這個都丟給縣市政府還是公路局會介入來協助 |
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我跟委員報告一下確實那個車廂數一多的時候這個一定會碰到問題那所以當時就是要求地方政府在提計劃書的時候就對於這個要就是說協助這個客人業者來找這個設停車場跟充電場這個部分要有整體的規劃所以這是縣市政府負責 |
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對然後另外一個部分有場地之後要設充電樁這些供電用電的等等部分的話公務局在公務局這邊跟台電有一個平台他們每個會開會那只要就是說客運業者有申請要設這個充電樁的一個場站在台電各分區都列為專案計畫在做這個列管都是優先來做一個協助我們現在對推動電動的市區公車的進度實在是非常的緩慢 |
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你們應該也會認為很緩慢所以這個部分我知道你們補助不會無窮無盡最新一期的補助那個付款的條件是越來越差所以對這些客運業者來說他們願意再加碼繼續買的那個意願會越來越低那可是你們離目標離國安會幫你們訂的環境部幫你們訂的行政院幫你們訂的那個數字會越來越遠 |
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會越來越遠 因為最早期馬來西亞電動公車也都到齊了那很多是中國車 對不對很多是大量的中國車 那些也都到齊了所以接下來呢 你們怎麼在 你們的經費有限補助會越來越少然後呢 給客運業者的補助的時程 就是說分期付款越拉越多期 |
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造成這業者不願意買可是國安會訂了目標環境部訂了目標行政院訂了目標那我們的運輸部門越來越難達成 |
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那到最後全部會怪運輸部門因為運輸部門本來就是這個排碳最大宗大概就在運輸部門後面國外會都一直點頭所以你們要記得一定要想辦法跟上來不能讓其他的部門住宅部門這些部門笑我們好不好交通部要加油謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝王逸川委員 |
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接下來邀請鄭天才委員質詢主席 各位委員 有請次長還有台鐵公司總經理 |
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台鐵公司的總經理馮總經理市長今天談淨零排放轉型這個部分在報告裡面鐵路運輸業相關措施裡面有提到車站 |
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車站的部分這邊就提到這個冷氣機事實上除了冷氣機之外很重要的而且是這個用電常常是最高的就是那個電梯電梯不是那個上下的電梯 |
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是那個斜著那個怎麼稱呼就是這樣斜斜上去的那個便梯這個部分是用電相當高因為你們的設備並沒有說沒有人的時候會停要改善 |
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就是沒有人做的時候 沒有人要搭的時候 |
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要停然後人要靠近的時候他就會再啟動很多車站沒有這個設備嘛是不是這樣你們可以回去去檢視一下所以這個部分因為我常常搭火車啦常搭火車我非常清楚所以這個部分是一個需要去解決的現在設備都是可以的所以這個部分要請台鐵就請回座 |
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接下來請公路總局長上來繼續談蘇阿安我談了很多次蘇阿安的計畫現在的進度環境部在去年的8月6日環評大會通過了環評審查 |
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然後國發會也召開了演唱會議交通部在113年10月22號再送國發會報行政宴現在進度怎麼樣 |
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是跟我們報告我們把因為環評大會大概通過了那這個部分的話就是我們提報這個整個裁員的建設計畫報行政院那行政院還沒合不過就是說就公路局來說其實我們後續的準備包括相關的一個設計還有一個分標案的這一個工作我們自己已經在內部已經在作業了那個 |
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你們去年10月22號送國發會國發會有送行政院的嗎 |
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回去查一下好不好第一個就是說國發會什麼時候送給行政院因為國發會已經召開過會議了嘛10月15號召開過會議裡面就修正了一部分所以很快的就送到國發會了嘛那現在已經這麼久了應該國發會我們了解後再向委員說明這個再提供書面的資料是這個因為 |
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按照你們原來的期程如果這個前面不好好的去掌握的話期程會受到很大的影響所以這個部分是如果我們去對比這個抒發改的時候抒發改是更困難的 |
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結果它騎乘都還比較短所以這個部分要請交通部公路總局要多加油 多協調所以要去追蹤那個進度了要去追蹤那個進度 好不好提供資料之後 我也會去協調行政院能夠加快好 謝謝委員另外就是這個去年的8月16號 |
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這個公路總局有針對台11線港口部落外環道可行性評估的期末報告這個部分當然你們也進行的都有按照進度來進行現在就是說這個 |
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目前這個進度也提供素面資料好沒問題因為是大概期末之後要有一些修正啦有一些修正我們大概今年三月份大概應該會把報告完成這樣子 |
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對 按照當天的審查會計錄 各機關的發言包括地方政府 尤其是那個有關涉及到遺址那個部分那個部分基本上都沒有問題所以這個部分 然後相關部落的同意 那個也都完成了 |
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所以這個部分是應該可以加快來處理所以這個部分也把這個相關的進度 因為從去年8月到現在也有超過半年了是不是提供這個素面的資料好 謝謝 謝謝好 謝謝鄭天才委員接下來邀請邱若驊委員質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席 主席有請交通部陳政務次長請陳次長我也好次長好 我們今天討論淨零碳排那低碳永續無縫的大眾運輸是我們共同努力的目標那為了要實現淨零碳排我們都鼓勵民眾多加使用大眾交通運輸工具嘛那次長大眾運輸工具的前提是什麼 |
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呃應該是說他應該是呃應該費率有一定的這個負擔的期啊那相關的路線啊整合啊時間上應該是對那讓呃民眾願意去達成是次長您提到費率還有路線呢那前提是要有 |
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才能讓民眾來做使用那只有當更多人越多越多人來使用這個大眾運輸工具我們才能往淨領碳排的目標來邁進那如果基礎建設不足不完善我們說再多政策都是空談那這個觀點市長您認為呢同意 |
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同意 那本席選區有一個重大的交通建設捷運三陰線延伸至八德一岸本席一再的談到那從10月18交通組的質詢有問過院長那院長僅說他會加速核定的流程那9月20號至今交通部呈報到行政院已經110天了那其中在委員會的時候本席也有向部長來做反應希望能夠來盡速核定因為交通部 |
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則無旁貸那依舊還在卡關中那次長您知道三一線什麼時候完工嗎 |
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這個要查一下這要查一下 今年114年就要完工了延伸段我剛剛問次長是問山陰縣那規劃通車是115年的上半年可是目前山陰縣延伸到巴德的一岸卻卡在行政院是 那交通部這邊可以來做什麼協助難道不用向院長來做反應嗎 |
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我想委員這部分我們來瞭解一下然後來向行政院來看怎麼樣來尋求相關交通部應該知道國發會以及新北市政府、台北市政府都是樂觀其成的吧那交通部的立場呢 |
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因為都已經經過相關的審查 我們也是一樣樂觀啟展 也是支持的那我們看到下一張簡報 本席不得不說邊是永遠大不了大都 我們是永遠大不了的結合定一直都是到不了 這條三菸線都到不了八德那拜託次長這邊再次的向院長 交通部這邊來做 向院長來做反應 |
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那因為這條山陰線延伸至八樓是我們地方的重大建設那希望交通部可以積極的向院長向行政院來爭取反映我們還有地方基層的新生好嗎我們來向行政院來反映因為農曆新年也快到了希望交通部可以送給我們地方這份大禮我們盡量來努力OK好那接下來我們看到今天我們今天要討論的議題那隨著全球暖化加劇2024年 |
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全球危險高溫增加了41天那有26起極端天災造成3700人死亡那根據聯合國氣象組織的報告那全球毀滅性的洪災有16起那其中15起就是因為全球氣候變遷導致降雨量異常這是有直接的關係如果不迅速來減少碳排的話那本世紀末全球氣溫上升他恐怕是 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
15401.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
15429.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
上升是2.6到3.1的攝氏度的目標那遠超過巴黎氣候協議設定的1.5攝氏度那本席這邊也請我們我們能源署的副署長好主席吳副署長謝謝好請吳副署長各位好副署長好那您剛剛也有聽到那這個淨利碳白已經是刻不容緩了您同意嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
15431.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
15458.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
是的 我們現在院裡也有相關的政策去應對因為汽油燃燒它產生的大量的二氧化碳還有汽車所排出來的碳是造成溫室效應的主要原因之一所以我們應該來想說要怎麼來提高民眾使用大眾運輸的意願那電費的調漲會增加大眾系統運輸的營運成本然後進一步的影響票價那之前本席也有向部長提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
15460.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
15488.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
電價的調漲組的機關是經濟部還有能源署那這邊今天也來就叫我們副署長然後還有次長那根據資料顯示這次電價漲調漲之後台電他增加了4.56億然後北捷3.9億還有高鐵3.6到3.7億那其實各大的軌道的系統電費都增加了那為了因應電價那交通部這邊還有像我們機場捷運高雄捷運還有台北捷運他也取消了優惠然後也調整了優惠那這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
15489.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
15502.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
有三個捷運的系統他已經取消了部分的優惠那北捷常客的優惠也縮水他影響到30萬的通勤族那請問次長您知道北捷常客的優惠是是什麼嗎是什麼樣的方案嗎 |
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15505.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
15528.724 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
具體的方案我不是很清楚但是我瞭解他是應該是搭乘的次數搭乘一定的次數對他是以搭乘的次數來做計算然後跟回饋嘛比如說11到20次他是他的回饋比例是10%那21到30次他可以回饋到15%那這樣往上類推那本身以助理以我的助理來做舉例他每天立法院跟住家來往返一個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
15529.224 |
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15546.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
一天的平均車資是65元那一個月我們以20天來做計算的話搭乘次數是40次他可以享受到20%的回饋是260元那這樣子一個月下來他的車資是1040元即使他沒有使用TPAS |
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15546.556 |
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15575.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
可是優惠收水之後他車資也增加了所以他有向本席來做意見上面的分享那也因為這個車資的調整讓他考慮其他的通勤方式那這是通勤的部分然後我們看到公司的部分像陶基公司還有台鐵公司郵政公司港務公司那他的水電費也是增加的那其中以台鐵4.43億增加最多那這四間公司都是掌管交通的業務那次長這樣子會不會直接接下來 |
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15575.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
15577.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
的調整會不會影響到我們民眾的生活 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
15580.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
15604.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
我先分兩塊 剛才上一塊是有關這個北捷的常客優惠的那一部分那一部分其實也是剛才委員特別提到就是鼓勵公共運輸所以交通部 公務局大概在這個應該是在不久會推出所謂常客優惠的一個方案會去救這個市長您說不久後會推出不久後是多久之後應該是這個月吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].start |
15606.392 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
15621.531 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
這個月什麼時候會公佈近期會公佈我想近期我們的相關的這個新春記者會吧應該會來做公佈新春記者會是在這個月嗎月中月中的時候會來做公佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
15622.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
15649.918 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
是有一個常客優惠的一個方案會來推出那至於說這個各個這個公司相關那個水電的一個漲價我想相關的那個費用會不會反映到他們的那個還是要看公司治理他們的來考慮那目前我的了解他們大概都維持現有的一個營運方式對 而且這邊請教副組長一個問題副組長您也聽到了來節省他的相關的電費那未來三年電費還會做調漲嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
15653.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
15657.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
公委報告那個電價要不要變動是電價審議會的權責電價審議會的權責那這邊請教副署長過去幾年我們電價調漲了多少就工業電價來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].start |
15669.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
15673.053 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
這一次這個詳細數字我在看 詳細數字2022年調漲了15%2023年調漲了17%2024年的4月調了14%10月又調了14%這是您的業務您不清楚嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
15685.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
15709.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
詳細的數字我剛剛詳細的數字已經跟你說啦但是我跟委員報告一下因為畢竟台電你知道調漲天價會造成也會影響到民眾嗎所以那個其實院已經有協商過就是說如果這個就是說公司就是因為台電畢竟他還是一個公司他還是要根據電費的收入來維持他經常性的營運 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
15710.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
15733.724 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
那如果就是說各部會如果有相關的一些他自己所管的業務說需要有做一些補助的話本席這邊沒有要跟您討論能源政策那也希望就是我們不希望票價再漲了進而影響民眾搭乘大眾運輸的意願那這邊也請交通部跟能源署來做跨部會的討論針對我們交通運輸工具的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
15735.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
15750.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
沒有問題 我覺得票價的調整會影響很多民眾的出行這部分交通部會審慎處理OK 好 謝謝次長謝謝主席好 謝謝邱若驊委員接下來邀請張祺凱委員張祺凱委員張祺凱委員張祺凱委員不在現場接下來邀請侯孟凱委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
15765.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
15766.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
主席謝謝 麻煩請陳次長請陳次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
15772.884 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
15800.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
次長好我也好次長今天討論我們近民碳排轉型改善措施其實最重要的就是希望鼓勵大家多用大眾運輸工具是是減少碳排對不對是是好本席三個月前就在這邊有跟局部長這邊來要求就是說考慮是不是能夠有通勤的時間國道客運事辦雙程巴士的通行那不知道現在進度如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
15802.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
15821.263 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
因為國道客運上面用雙層巴士三個部分第一解決現在缺工的問題嘛一輛巴士可以多載一些旅客嘛第二能夠讓更多的人使用同一班的一個大眾運輸工具以及第三減少國道上面的一個車輛的一個數量來 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
15823.323 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
15830.326 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
現在全世界各國以前你們一直主旨是說世界各國沒有多少國家是有國道客運雙層巴士可以上國道但事實是如此嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
15851.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
15870.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
我們收集完之後才發覺說很多國家其實都有開放國道是可以用造成巴士對不對原則上大概就是主要使用還是在這個就是說市區遊覽的部分但是剛剛委員所提到確實在英國或等等部分有這個長途國道客運的部分 |
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15870.64 |
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15894.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
那我們也特別去了解他的車型車高這些消息還包括這個左軸人數的部分那大概目前這個這個收集回來之後那目前私底面在凝聚這些相關東西原則上我們內部會這個簽一個這個就是說處理的一個方向後面會找這個處理廠還有客戶業者大家來共同做一個還要多久時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
15895.579 |
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15920.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
這部分的話 我講三個月前跟我現世淡淡講說這是一個很好的方向只要安全無虞的情況下可以辦理我們就優先來試辦那結果現在三個月過去了怎麼還是停留在這個討論階段我跟委員報告一下就是說前面這些相關的東西因為裡面就是我剛剛跟委員報告的一個部分裡面有車輛規格這些相關的部分那個是比較這個具體這個細部的部分啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
15921.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
15947.725 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
那我這邊大概跟委員報告一下還要多久時間是不是我這個應該這個過完年之後我就立刻召開第一次會議還要等過年啊是要等發紅包是不是因為有些程序處理完之後大概剛好碰到這一個就是月底過年的一個這個期間那我想說過完年之後那我們這個相關推就是說這些細部這個規格處理的部分我們就來開會做討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
15949.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
15952.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
過完年之後會開第一次會議是是是好來市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
15953.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
15980.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
市長本席為了今天的一個質詢我再收集了很多資料我給您看一下我也希望不要被下面的人蒙蔽因為以前的人大家都講是說世界各國很少開放國道有雙層巴士的行駛結果其實不是第一英國英國雙層巴士它就有在國道上面還有跨國的路線上面行駛第二 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
15981.829 |
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15998.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
香港它的快速公路跟道路它其實也就有雙程巴士以70到80公里的時速在做行駛雖然說快速公路跟道路不一定他們的名稱是國道但實際上他們的性質就是高速公路第三 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
15999.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
16019.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
新加坡新加坡也有雙層巴士行駛在主要的幹道跟快速道路上面當然新加坡的道路設計規劃的時候可能當初就已經考慮到說雙層巴士的需求所以對於限高等等就已經有考量進去來下一頁 |
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16020.782 |
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16038.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
以及美國美國這樣子的Megabus是美國加拿大都有雙程巴士的一個行駛都有行經他們主要的這個城市我更上網看一下這個Megabus的一個官方網站他們的那個巴士長什麼樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
16039.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
16058.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
好 歐洲它就長這個樣子它其實跟一般使用的市區的觀光巴士那種雙層第二層是露天的是不一樣的它其實是一個包覆性的兩層的巴士而且因為Megabus他們做起來之後它就可以讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
16059.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
16084.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
國道客運讓這些客運業者有更多的優惠跟競爭力因為他只要一個駕駛就可以有多載一程的旅客嘛所以你看他上面寫什麼一塊錢啊Mega bus的那官方網站上面你看很多的留學生喔他們去美國的話都會去搶那個票就是他們每一台Mega bus裡面雙程巴士他都會有提供一張票 |
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16085.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
16113.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
一塊美金就好剩下幾張票五塊美金再其他的票才是原本的價錢那如果說國外不管美國不管歐洲不管英國不管香港不管新加坡都有類似的一個推動的話那台灣第一地狹人稠第二我們的通勤其實是有需要的第三現在國道客運上面其實大家也覺得很辛苦啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
16114.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
16142.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
大家也覺得很辛苦啊不是嗎缺工的問題駕駛找不到但是找到了結果我們這個競爭力大家也覺得是說跟這個高鐵跟這個台鐵很難比較那如果說我們能夠有比較多一點思考去開放讓這些業者他們能夠做第一對於我們的這個乘客來講的話他就不會在上下班通勤時間看到等了很久就一台車來發覺上面已經滿了我只能再等下一班 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
16143.393 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
16160.726 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
有沒有多少市長你應該你這公路體系出色的你應該很能理解啊有多少人那種通勤族這種寒風天站了二三十分鐘一台車來結果看到原來那台車滿了他就要看著被迫走那我另外要再等下一台 |
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16161.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
16177.715 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
所以我今天列出那麼多相關是世界各國確實有這樣子的一個做法也都可行也都安全那我們現在台灣在討論所謂的淨零碳排跟討論所謂的這些能夠擴大交通運量 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
16207.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
等相關部分能不能有更積極的思維來市長簡單回應一下我想我跟委員做說明部長已經有提到說朝這個方向來演繹所以原則上呢我想剛才市長也說明了我們會朝這個方向來演繹那最主要考量還是安全那以往來講的話那個其實我們在早幾年我們的國道還是有出現那個雙層的下面坐人的所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
16207.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
16225.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
當時大家的印象就是那種車子真的是很不安全那剛才委員秀出來Megabus的那個如果說我們國內而且隨著這個我們刑事認證的推轉其實車子的打造的技術也提升了所以如果國內有這樣的打造的技術的能力真的把這樣的打造出來車體的安全 |
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16253.862 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
以及相關的行控然後還有你也可以把它的時數給控制住甚至我之前就提過說範圍可以控制以北北基桃中張頭雲嘉南高高屏用通勤的概念先示範好不好這個我們一併納入好市長這是第一個部分抱歉主席站起來但是還有另外一個也很重要的議題我今天有準備那個桃園機場捷運他們在10月的時候有回報說他們要採購這個列車 |
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16256.443 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
16259.205 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
一個是要採購6輛直達車跟4輛的一個普通車但發覺說是卡關為什麼是因為那個零件說 |
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| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
16290.976 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
沒有再生產了那到目前為止我們要怎麼協助因為今年3月才在交通委員會去桃園視察的時候才講信誓旦旦承諾這有補不管是有中央有補助或是等等的部分我們要讓機場公司來買列車啊那現在因為T-pass以及我們很多的這個使用的一個習慣所以早上桃園林口要來台北這班班都爆滿可是他現在車廂買不進來有沒有了解這個問題 |
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我沒有掌握到這個問題我最近會跟台市政府來召開會議來演商一下還沒有召開會議啊10月就爆發的事情到現在你跟我講說已經過三個月了我本來以為是你要跟我講說解決方法你現在才要再召開會議因為這個這個原來的耗資廠商確實現在有供應上的問題原來的耗資廠商當時是誰簽的 |
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當時是前高鐵局是前高鐵局嘛也就是鐵道局嘛是不是那結果簽了多久之後那原耗資廠商就倒了 |
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倒了嘛是的是那現在就變成說它是被德國西門子併購了不管是併購不管是消失反正它就是不見了那現在變成是說你找不到原本的廠商所以現在就傳出說12項零件裡面有7項是已經停產了造成說我們現在機場捷運的那些車廂要去買的話買不到新的車廂 |
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那這問題要怎麼解決這個我想你不可能直接推給不能推給地方政府是吧並不會是的是所以什麼時候要找地方政府來溝通我們已經在安排會議了什麼時候應該是在年前就會召開因為我開通章昨天的前天就已經發出去了這期我沒有記得抱歉好 次長這一個問題為什麼會特別點出來也一樣 |
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淨零碳排我們大家都重視要用淨零碳排就是要有大眾運輸工具大眾運輸工具裡面就是要讓大家能夠方便來做來搭乘那現在如果說連我們都已經編列了預算結果我們要買車廂買不到我覺得是華天下之大機啊這真的是笑話變成是我們要買方市場照理講全世界這不是戰鬥機不是飛機耶 |
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捷運車廂不是戰鬥機不是飛機不算是賣方市場應該說買方市場我們編了錢結果我們還買不到那洪委員因為你的時間已經超過一倍了是不是這個問題那個高鐵局已經要開會了是不是可以請洪委員也可以出席 |
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就說這個會議侯委員可以適合出席嗎讓他可以去比較進一步瞭解還是會議結論再跟侯委員報答趙偉只派工作給我做要我去頂你們好好開會沒有我覺得趙偉這樣講也是對 |
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你不要說技術層面不要說是技術層面的會議啊該怎麼樣開會因為這個是包括桃園市包括新北市包括台北市通勤的民眾使用積極的民眾大家都關心的甚至現在你說你要國國際的觀光市場要恢復那國際觀光市場要恢復你的桃園機場捷運的品質你要起來嘛提供本席什麼時候開會那並且市長我真的要求您您要主動的來去督導 |
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好不好對 你要主動來督導不要把它放任就是放成下面去看因為這不是地方政府的責任而已我覺得這應該是交通部要整體考量集結現在既然已經 |
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有運輸了早上現在真的是班班客滿那最需要的就是趕快買新的車廂然後能夠增加這個運量可以嗎好這部分我們呃會來跟鐵道局來共同看怎麼樣來解決好再請提供本席相關資料好不好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝洪門凱委員好接下來邀請謝義鳳委員 |
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謝謝主席 我想要請我們陳次長好 請陳次長陳次長你要好好表現喔 主席 趙偉對那個陳世凱比較好 我給他請假你要在這裡好好表現一下是 我願好好 那個我願可以大力的質詢沒關係好好好 再找那個公路總局的好 我們局長來請陳局長 |
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我們知道現在台灣面臨到就是我們的標線不明或者是我們的號誌管理不當導致現在行車的時候非常多的駕駛人不知道如何開車因為行人跟交通的就是車輛的那個 |
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行駛路線都會交織那我們希望能夠讓行人行得安全但是這樣子的號誌規定是不是沒有辦法達到我們需要行人安全這樣子的目標對於比較就是交通湧射的路口那我們是不是應該要落實就是讓行人有一個單一的實相 |
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那讓所有的車輛在行駛的時候不會產生這樣子交織的現象那在交織的現象就是如果行人在行走的時候車輛沒有辦法右轉或左轉也有可能導致了交通擁擠的現象行車不效率的現象那這個部分我想請問次長你們要怎麼解決 |
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委員剛才特別提到的有關行人在入口的時候這個在過去以往交通部就一直也有相關的指引來希望各縣市政府能夠如何在什麼情況下去設置專用的號誌或者是行人的早開讓行人可以先行等等的這些都有相關的一個應該是說參考指引地方政府來使用 |
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那委員特別提到了如果有些單一的路口確實沒有這樣的一個設置而造成行人在穿越馬路上的一個危害我想我們會請公路總局或者是相關單位來你們是不是已經有在示範了你們是不是有在示範看到有一些有有有是不是 |
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是我想有必要的話我們也可以提供相關的示範的地方啦或者是相關的這個影片啊讓委員了解一下那根據你們示範的效果你們有發現說這樣子比較不會造成行人與車流的交織嗎當然當然是不是因為是這種情形所以我們才會發布相關的指引希望各縣市政府在特殊域剛才講的在行人很多穿越的時候能夠採用專用的號誌 |
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好 那請那個局長說好 各位報告因為行人專用保護實相它其實還是有設置的條件就是譬如說入口的行人量比較多所以有時候有些行人專用保護實相它有可能是在這個入口譬如說這個尖峰時間上下班或者是那個有學校所以這個上學下學的時候那個放學的時候它會有這個專用保護實相就像委員說的專用保護實相因為射進去以後四邊的車輛要停 |
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所以如果說你行人量不大的時候你做這樣子的時候它其實變成說交通就比較擁擠所以它有它考慮的路口條件行人量還有交通量那原則上其實現在各縣市政府跟我們公路局的一些省道路口都有在做而且我們現在有統計 |
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每大概都有就是說比如說這個各縣市政府行人專用保護石像定期增加的數量這個在每個對在全全國的道安的那個網站都有現在已經全國有5778處入口有設行人專用保護石像了 |
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好如果行人專用保護石像能夠加速就是因為現在就是行車跟行人不要交織嘛是不是那怎麼樣子增加我們行人的安全以及讓車流都可以不要湧射 |
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我覺得你們一定要回去檢討那是不是應該在就是中央跟地方跨部會的中央道路交通安全會議裡面你們也應該廣為讓地方政府瞭解可不可以沒有問題我們在相關的這個匯報裡頭大概地方政府也都有參與我想我們可以在近期再一次的來重申地方政府朝這個方向來努力 |
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好 那我們那個交通局長那個公路總局的局長不要公路局啊 公路總局就是嫌我太老還有我們請那個公共運輸及監理師的師長那我想要請問的就是我們現在在講減碳嘛就是要增加大眾運輸系統可是在非六都以外的這個縣市我們知道你大眾運輸系統的推廣 |
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跟目前我們民眾比較仰賴的就是交通運輸工具那這個東西是不是沒有辦法並行呢因為我看到的非六都以外的這樣子的大眾運輸的系統規劃目前的確不辨明那在這種不辨明的情況下我們要怎麼處理 |
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我想跟委員報告一下有關公共運輸的一個方便性或者是向路線的一個調整這個在地方的交通主管機關或者是公務局大概都會去協助那如果說他是無法開定班定線的委員應該也有聽說過他會有幸福小房或幸福巴士的一個來提供所以我想這個問題大概可以朝這個方向來努力 |
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大宋運輸區 林市長這邊大概做一點補充說明啦確實就是說在1.6度16個縣市的部分自己本身的市區客運的路線跟系統的規模沒有那麼大那從去年底那部裡面也邀集這幾個縣市希望就是說來這個協助地方政府這個慢慢擴充他們的市區客運的路線跟路網然後建立這種幹支道路這個路網的 |
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這個系統然後進一步來這個就是說提升這個相關肺六度的一個市區客運的一個服務系統 |
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趙薇不好意思我再一下子就是還有另外一點你除了要發展就是非六度以外的大眾運輸系統以外你還有一個重點就是那你不能因業廢食啊你不能因為減碳導致現在在擁擠區 精華區所需要的這個停車設施沒有辦法建立你們會不會編列 陳次長 |
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是停車場嗎 停車場的補助我們大概有前瞻的預算在今年結束那今年結束後續呢我們有抱怨也會有相關的預算我認為你不能夠因業廢食我們要發展大眾運輸的系統但是在非六都以外 |
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目前大眾運輸系統沒有辦法非常普及的情況下你必須要在京華區能夠設立相關的停車場的設施 好不好所以你們這個預算也不能少是 我們會朝這個方向來努力好 謝謝好 謝謝委員好 謝謝謝一芬委員接下來邀請游浩委員質詢 |
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謝謝趙偉主席還有有請次長請陳次長委員好次長好新年快樂那也祝福今天所有的大家好朋友新的一年還都新氣象那也再次也表達對於南投縣許多交通建設的支持那想請教一下次長那今年的跨年的時候在家裡跨年嗎還是 |
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不好意思我在家裡跨年 因為那天身體不是很好那身體健康啊 那保養身體那再來就是說 你跨年看電視跨年還是用國道監視器跨年 |
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那直接提一下就是說高空局那不苛責啦因為那個時間點是生死一瞬間驚天動地60秒那本席也知道 |
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這個部分是長官指示還是現場的同仁那直接把監視器的畫面轉到這個就是跨年的這個現場上但是還是在這裡因為還好那天都一切交通平安那所以說那就是局長簡單回應一下就好了是來跟委員報告那我們帶路有兩側的外面的部分通常也會做一些監看那往年的話 |
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那個101的煙火花大概都會一到兩支的監視器轉過去那這次是轉的太多這是不對的所以以前都會轉嗎都會轉我們在包括台中或雲林因為我們要看外面的一個狀況還有他的路未來他結束了疏散的一些道路車輛過車流的狀況就是路外的狀況也會去看 |
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那沒關係就是本席還是要在這裡提出建議啦就是這個就因為有口頭告誡了啦但是還好是平安那希望以後的話還是要讓用路人他們隨時在軌道鑽石系統上面都能夠掌握還路況的情況好不好是好 |
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好那接下來的話本期還是要針對今天的淨零排汗的部分那還是要持續的來做提出那在這裡的話當然準備的資料上面有提到這個煙火秀以及半瓦遮無人機的部分是不是能夠未來來做取代或是能夠來減低這個煙火的這種施放那這樣子也是節能減碳的一個考量 |
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那目前來講就直接簡單一下就教市長那在無人機的使用以及包括在煙火的釋放那這個部分在淨零排碳的部分有沒有什麼措施在未來 |
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無人機的使用這個我們應該是沒有排斥原則上是各個活動的主辦機關但是原則上無人機的使用還有他一定申請的一個程序他要符合相關的一個程序才可以辦好 那本席直接這邊也建議就是說如果說要達到未來的一個目標的話那其實在這無人機的這種表演 |
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部分來取代或是未來來取代這個煙火表演的話這個是需要有規劃的那不然的話其實白灘的目標其實對於這方面來講是確實沒辦法達成那因為今天時間有限那再來賴清德總統於10月20號主持7月變遷對社會議的時候那他提到了 |
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國內必須團結力量打造一制度因應挑戰與國際接軌的強韌台灣同時還也願意跟中國在內的世界各國持續加強合作共同面對氣候變遷的挑戰姑且不用他這一句話來講就是在兩國論他有可能兩岸人權關係條例他其實根本就沒有讀但是無所謂 |
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那在他喊話他希望來做兩岸之間的減碳合作那交通部隊氣候變遷有沒有提過任何的配套措施或是參加過任何兩岸減碳的一個會議兩岸之間國際會議不算國際我們的那個雖然賴總統他提出他希望兩岸協力協作啊那這個部分來講總不是空口白話 |
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氣象署今天有來嗎?看起來今天的話...今天有變遷署啊主席時間暫停一下好不好你知道嗎?這是環境部環境部,是是好,謝謝 |
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主席 委員好有關過去兩岸的合作在環境部的部分造期是比較著重在空氣品質的關係我就問今年 去年去年是在氣候署的部分是沒有沒有嘛所以說賴總統他講的話不能空口白話 |
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所以說在兩岸方面的這種看牌的部分那是不是能夠協力合作那本期還是希望在今天的會議中給大家一個報告包括過去的還有包括未來的那是在指兩岸方面不是只在參加國際會議好不好一個書面報告 |
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OK那謝謝那我本學校針對目前的話我們電動車在全國的這個數據尤其在特斯拉我們是算是全國第五貴那最主要是因為在台灣目前所在推動的這種設施來講以及包括環境來講確實需要在政府要再加把勁 |
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那以及說在立法院預算中心報告國際上電動車與充電樁的比例為2比1但是國內的部分啦那他其實目前以2021年底來講是只有3652支但是在其他的數據那目前來講全台近9萬台的這種電動車 |
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那目前CRIF它的數據統計那幾乎是40台的電動車在搶還有一個電動裝那電動裝不足的問題延續剛才廖先生的委員那要如何改善 |
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我想委員這個數據或許我們可以另外來提供因為我們現在所掌握到的我們國內的電動裝大概有1048裝那相較於電動車的這種車重比的大概是9.1比1我剛才提到的這個 |
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那個預算中心的部分是2022但是問題是CRF的是去年度的到年底統計的那40搶1跟歐盟他是10比1目標10比1我們目前是9.1比1所以我們9.1比1是目標 |
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沒有沒有 現況現況來講的統計上因為像南投縣的話它只有96座當然充電槍也只有245支那所以說目前來講的這個充電狀的比例嚴重不足 |
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那沒關係那這樣子我直接來請教一下就是因為這個問題我相信充電窗不斷的要去做一個提升要去設置這個是大家共同目標啦那在這個中央部會的話今天是交通部嘛社長在這裡那我剛剛也想問一下那在交通部底下的各個單位啊在機關的辦公場域啊那是不是都有設置這個充電樁還我想問一下那 |
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這個民航局民航局今天局長有來那局長沒關係你原地回答就可以了那這個有沒有設置集資 |
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在公我們辦公場所或者是機場的公用停車場的部分有設快充跟慢充那那個辦公機關的部分因為像我們局旁邊就是停車場那個部分就會有好那沒關係那因為大家不用出來那行港局局長直接回答不用特別出來直接講就好了幾隻 |
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好,沒關係,這個我不追,那這個運輸研究所耶那裡弄一個電動樁好,那再來這個高工局 |
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好 OK 沒關係那大致上簡單的測試一下嘛那還是 安心局長您請回那本期還是希望在中央的部分啊那如果說要達到淨零排碳2030年到三成35年到六成40年到百分之百的話那剛才就提到這個電動裝不足的問題啊嚴重失衡那以及說在中央部會那應該是要讓各機關啊 |
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像是觀光署他的各景點都能夠來設置這個充電樁那我覺得說不僅交通部那其實今天相關單位也在嘛經濟部也在環境部也在嘛那其實應該要所有的中央機關都要做那再來也要跟縣市政府配合那這樣子基本上來去提升一個數量那主席時間到嘛 |
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OK 好 那下次我再持續針對社區活動中心還有跟地方政府的配合再持續討論 謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝游浩委員好 接下來邀請鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員 鍾嘉斌委員 鍾嘉斌委員不在場接下來邀請鄭振淺委員鄭振淺委員 鄭振淺委員 鄭振淺委員不在場接下來邀請羅志強委員 |
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羅志強委員 羅志強委員 羅志強委員不在場接下來邀請陳雪生委員陳雪生委員 陳雪生委員 陳雪生委員不在場接下來邀請賴瑞龍委員賴瑞龍委員 賴瑞龍委員 賴瑞龍委員不在場接下來邀請張家俊委員張家俊委員 張家俊委員 張家俊委員不在場接下來邀請葉元芝委員發言 |
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好 請次長好 請陳次長 |
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市長好 我之前曾經在這個委員會關心過區間測速的問題當時 因為今天部長沒有來那時候部長完全就往外推 推工作他說區間測速跟交通部無關那個要問警政署 或者是問各地方政府那當時我有 那應該是10月份的時候 我有請他還是研究一下到底區間測速有沒有用 |
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結果我現在看到新聞我們1月15號台64台65剛好就是在我的選區板橋往中和往新莊兩段都要裝區間測速然後一段一段是速限70公里然後另外一個是80公里所以交通部說跟區間測速完全沒關係那請問一下我請教一下次長台64台65是地方政府管還是交通部公路總局管 |
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是我們公務總局是公務總局嘛對啊那為什麼講到區間測速馬上就推給地方政府拜託交通部有點擔當好不好 |
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而且我們可以上次我們也發文請交通部說針對區間測數做一個全國性的通盤檢討結果你看回給我們的文跟部長講的一樣說交通違規執法及取締是屬於警政機關權責原人已由內政部警政署研議檢討這個區間測數跟你們交通部一點關係都沒有 |
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我想跟委員報告一下 剛才講的那些道路是道路的主管機關是公務局沒有錯但是在上面要設置相關的這個執法器材的話當然啦 但是規劃面嘛 我舉兩個例子啦第一個例子是 之前區間測出一開始推出來的時候 它沒有標準嘛後來全面下架 你知道這個事嗎 |
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在2020年的時候知道這事嗎我了解然後後來是哪一個單位邀集標準局警政署請他們一起來討論出一個標準出來你知道是哪個單位嗎就是你們交通部嘛是不是是不是你交通部是當時的道安委員會那道安委員會是難道是內政部管的嗎是不是你交通部 |
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是不是你們交通部嗎 這個你回答不出來喔道安委員會是不是交通部你回答不出來喔我正在回答啦 是不是是我們交通部那後來2021年的時候當時區間撤出的鏡頭被認為是用海康威視的然後交通部長林佳龍跳出來講說如果是交通部有補助的或是交通部可以管的全面都下架有沒有這件事情有吧 |
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像委員是有的但是那是整體的國家對於那個對所以我現在不是就叫你整體去整體去檢討嗎那今天大家為什麼對於區間測數有疑慮第一個就是我非常好奇啊為什麼現在要在台六四台六五又要設區間測數原因是什麼原因是什麼 |
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先簡單跟委員說明一下原則上區間測速的一個 剛才委員特別提到它的成效據我們了解它是有對交通安全是有一定的有確定嗎可是我有看到一些研究它是指出說區間測速的地方車禍事故也有增加 為什麼因為車子就跟前方沒有保持安全距離 |
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的狀況變多的一種合理的解釋是說因為大家都一直要去看那個儀表板有沒有超速一直把注意力放在儀表板上面忽略了跟前方車子的距離這也是會產生的狀況而且你們區間測速其實他是算一個平均值嘛不是嗎就是用時間除以距離是不是 |
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用時間數據然後算一個平均速限嘛如果超過那個平均速限的話就要開罰那你怎麼知道在那段時間裡面他會不會是忽然間飆很快超速然後到快要到那個終點的時候呢又降速 |
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你沒有辦法去避免這樣的狀況啊我想委員提到的那些都是執行商執行面的因為今天部長沒有來啦我也不想為難你啦我只是點出一個問題就是交通部作為一個全國最高的交通主管機關當我們跟你問到區間撤訴的時候你可以推給警政署可以推給地方政府可以一副跟自己都無關的樣子 |
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我這種態度我沒辦法接受所以是不是可以請你因為我們那時候發文請你們做一個通盤檢討你至少去邀集警政署你們交通部邀集警政署就跟之前一樣訂定標準的時候邀請警政署或者是各地方政府做一個檢討如果區間政府這麼好的話為什麼各團體反彈這麼激烈一定有他的問題在所以是不是可以請交通部做這件事情 |
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這個來邀請相關單位就這個區間測速的如何讓他做得更加有助於交通安全這個我們可以來你可以做這個10月份的時候當時的陳世凱部長說他可以來做但是不關他的事但是他可以額外來做這個事啊那現在次長你認不認為這個責任其實在你們交通部規劃面然後甚至於通盤檢討面如果不是的話為什麼之前都是你們交通部出來講 |
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我想跟委員報告就是有關交通安全的一個確保的這樣的一件事情其實是各部會或者是各單位都應該可以來做的所以剛才委員特別提到就是說邀請相關單位來就現在區間測速他是不是對交通安全上有所注意或者是在執法設置上可以有什麼樣的一個更精進的一個做法這我們交通部基於交通安全可以來做另外就針對我剛剛講的兩條 |
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台六四台六五的部分因為1月15號就要上路了請你補一個報告給我好不好到底為什麼要在這個我就請公路局送一份報告給委員啦到底為什麼要在這邊去裝那個區間測速你有評估過嗎裝了以後一定會比較安全嗎他們一定有相關以前實施過的一個經驗啦我想他們在這個報告裡頭來做說明你認為說之前實施之後會比較安全的依據是什麼過去可能會發生事故原因是什麼 |
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台六四台六五過去發生事故原因是什麼讓你們必須要在那邊裝區間測速原因是什麼我們再給委員一個報告你現在回答我就好了嘛原則上應該就是說還是有超速的一個所以你認為超速是造成事故最大的原因因為還是有一些各事故有一些原因的一個分析有嗎有好那你補一個報給我我們再給委員一個報告好謝謝 |
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好 謝謝葉人志委員好 今日登記質詢委員均已發言完畢做以下決定報告及詢問完畢委員張家俊 羅志強所提書面質詢列入記錄並刊登公報委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分請相關機關盡速以書面答覆本次會議到此結束 現在散會 |
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谢谢观看 |