| IVOD_ID |
164538 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164538 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-22T10:38:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-22T10:48:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/615807a88c5be4da690d3b00b759198be072f7c27276b8ae83c966d97180d5d2c22e425c45b5ead05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳超明 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:38:16 - 10:48:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議(事由:邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況,並備質詢。) |
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趙薇好 首先有請我們經濟部龔部長好 我們再請龔部長這位好 龔部長好 |
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你今天的經濟部的業務報告這一本寫得非常清楚明瞭那我首先就教教你經濟業務報告裡面就與關於苗栗的事情那我再請我們水利署的林署長水利署林署長 |
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現在要建一個水庫非常困難報告部長你們林市長的溝通能力非常好 |
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他必須拜訪苗栗縣然後要指揮建水庫把那些鄉親說服的都說歡迎趕快來建但是我今天看你們的關於通化水庫的預算都沒有編林市長你不要指紋樓梯上不見人蹤影你不要去騙我們地方的鄉親為什麼沒有編那個預算 |
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包括我们委员你沟通能力好但是我是看你人脸实在应该讲话不会骗我才对对 委员因为这个你很关心那我跟您报告其实都有在进展今晚天安午水库我们预计年底这边就会开始来呈报行政院来走后期是今年年底还是明年年底今年年底好啊你报告需要给我小的不然人家再问我都不晓得怎么回答这个也是我们业委重点工作部长要不要全力的支持 |
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那個台電的曾董事長我們請台電曾董事長 |
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因為我節目一條一條跟你們那個尊董事長我看到你一個報告說未來台灣AI的大四季中心最好建在電廠的附近你有這樣的報導有沒有這樣的事情 |
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我是說要建在電源端那電源端就是電廠要建在哪裡電源端電源就是電廠的附近嘛好那今天這部店我是地方產業我們那邊有苗栗通宵火栗花電廠 |
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在苗栗我們也準備要來設立AI大四季的中心到那邊那邊是所有台中以北土地最便宜而且最適合條件如果我們提出來經濟部要不要支持我們你們台電董事長說大四季中心最好建在電廠的附近要給我們提起嗎 |
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包委員因為這個數據中心有分兩個部分一個是公家的最多的是私人部門的那私人部門的公家私人的話在那邊是最好的我把它從台中以北算一算涉災苗栗最好的 |
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不曉得你打話還是要設在南部等一下我還有問題要問不要一面的往南邊跑你多多照顧苗栗我看你我當到經濟委員會看你一直在做大官而且是當朝的紅人但是我覺得你不可以一次次去幫我們苗栗幫忙你說往南部我去苗栗不是 我今天這個重點講得很簡單如果我們苗栗有火力發電廠我們要設立 |
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台中以北的大書記中心你們要不要全力支持因為現在大書記中心是國科會在公布門你們以前連講說北部不能再設了我只要抓緊這個區區因為電的供應量不夠只要苗栗的電量供應最多的 |
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我這個時間跟你討論得太久了我還有很多問題要問的你不要這樣搞我可以把委員的這個想法跟意見轉達給國科會我覺得委員講的也是有道理有道理你講話國科會會聽因為你以前在國會包括業主委我看起來都是你的徒弟為什麼你們寫的這種業務報告都是一樣的 |
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你從國會的執委到行政院的秘書長到現在的經濟部長 |
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大溪谷計畫有三個苗栗 鳳龍產業園區還有竹蘭第二期科學園區的推展還有桃園的科學園區我經濟部鳳龍的科技產業園區我已經解決了經濟部單位 問題事業主管機關 |
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但是你長得這麼大我千拜託萬拜託我發覺不理你你當行政院秘書長就躲起來還好你來當軍事部長我可以天天盯著你我一直跟你拜託你那邊是國科會主導的一個主管目的十月那個機關我請你幫我們協調你都不吃麵南部要一個什麼你都比誰還快 |
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苗栗要一個什麼你就這樣偷偷拉拉的我實在這一次還好你來到這部部長我隨時能看到你因為你做過這些事情你最清楚你要不要再幫我們協調一次你接你的劉俊興指揮他卸任的當天早上7點鐘發了一個給我說他很抱歉這個沒有幫我協調成功 |
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現在行政院秘書長現在你經濟部長要不要幫我協調報告委員分成兩個部分一個部分你又分成好幾個部分我不曉得要聽你哪一個部分現在就是比如說後龍的部分這個是我們經濟部主管對 我協調完了你們那些很優秀都全力的幫忙但是如果要跨到這個國科會的部分那那個部分我們就只能 |
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轉達或是希望國發會來做協調你聽我說的大溪谷計畫是由你國發會執委你當時的執委提出來的然後到現在已經一年多了你在當行政院長的時候我碰到這個問題我請你協調說到白天你有一點不理不睬 |
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你做行政院秘書長 我要把你撐起來你說我很忙 我沒有空這都不會做 因為我很老實的人所以這一點 當然你政治部長現在管不上但是你以前的影響力還在我是要用這樣 要我倒數嗎好啊有啦有啦 好啦 你這樣說我相信你現在在這裡說話 |
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還有再來回答在台北市總部大概三公頃現在怎麼樣他們因為我們經濟部被要求的是說希望在10月24號之前如果17 18如果沒有談妥的話我們盡快的可能備選的這個基地可以提供給這個 |
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回答參考這樣子 回答參考啊 你也再幫我一次啊其實不一定在台北 歐苗栗縣有一塊土地非常漂亮走到高鐵 用走路的 只有兩分鐘20公頃 又便宜又好 你不但研發中心可以設立包括它的施克社 包括它招待的外賓 |
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都可以在那邊設立來促進我們苗栗產業的發展你記得那個地點離新竹科學園區工研院高鐵的話坐了大概16分鐘開車大概20分鐘在台中科學園區大概25到30分鐘交大 清大都在旁邊 |
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你給我們引薦一下不一定選在那個地方而且給他那麼風光明媚非常的好那委員我們的態度是這樣我們會盡量多提讓他去參考反正這個是他決定的但是我們可能的這個基地我們都提供給他參考 |
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可以不可以我們會我們會如果好謝謝你今天講的三件都可以我本來七八件要問你的好今天到此為止三件答應我就很滿足了希望能承諾下來幫我完成好不好好謝謝好謝謝 |
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陳委員超明:(10時38分)召委好,首先有請經濟部龔部長。 |
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主席:好,我們再請龔部長。 |
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龔部長明鑫:陳委員好。 |
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陳委員超明:龔部長好。今天經濟部的業務報告,這一本寫的非常清楚明瞭,我首先要就教你經濟部業務報告裡面有關於苗栗的事情,我再請水利署的林署長。 |
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主席:請水利署林署長。 |
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陳委員超明:現在要建一個水庫非常困難,報告部長,你們林署長的溝通能力非常好,他去拜訪苗栗縣,然後要如何建水庫,把那些鄉親說服的都說歡迎,趕快來建,但是我今天看你們關於天花湖水庫的預算都沒有編啊!林署長,你不要只聞樓梯響,不見人蹤影,你不要去欺騙我們地方的鄉親喔,為什麼沒有編列預算? |
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林署長元鵬:報告委員…… |
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陳委員超明:你溝通能力好,而且我是看你人很實在,應該講話不會騙我才對! |
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林署長元鵬:委員,因為這個案子您很關心,我跟您報告,其實都有在進展,現在天花湖水庫我們預計年底就會開始呈報行政院走後續的程序。 |
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陳委員超明:是今年年底還是明年年底? |
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林署長元鵬:今年年底。 |
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陳委員超明:好啊,你報過去要給我曉得,不然人家再問我,我都不曉得怎麼回答了。 |
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林署長元鵬:是,一定的,這個也是列為我們的重點工作。 |
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陳委員超明:我是相信你啦,部長,要不要全力地支持? |
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龔部長明鑫:會支持,我之前就向…… |
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陳委員超明:好,你請回座。 |
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龔部長明鑫:之前就向委員報告了,只要地方政府跟地方的居民有同意的話…… |
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陳委員超明:我們地方政府很熱烈,你較少到苗栗,你都跑南部比較多啦! |
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龔部長明鑫:沒有啦! |
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陳委員超明:你做了這麼久才跟我講去了一次、兩次,好啦,我就不跟你計較了。來,你請回,我請台電的曾董事長。 |
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主席:我們請台電曾董事長。 |
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陳委員超明:因為我要一項一項來問。曾董事長,我看到你有一個報告說,未來臺灣的AI大數據中心最好建在電廠附近,你有這樣的報告,有沒有這樣的事情? |
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曾董事長文生:我是說要建在電源端,電源端就是電廠。 |
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陳委員超明:要建在哪裡? |
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曾董事長文生:電源端。 |
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陳委員超明:電源就是電廠的附近嘛!部長,今天我是地方產業,我們那邊有苗栗通霄火力發電廠,我們也準備要來設立AI大數據中心,那邊是所有臺中以北土地最便宜而且是條件最適合的,如果我們提出來,經濟部要不要支持我們?你們台電董事長說,大數據中心最好要建在電廠的附近,要支持我們嗎? |
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龔部長明鑫:報告委員,這個數據中心有分兩個部分:一個是公家的,最多的是私人部門的。私人部門的…… |
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陳委員超明:不管是公家的還是私人的,在那邊都是最好的,我從臺中以北算一算,設在苗栗最好了,不曉得你的答案是不是還要設在南部?等一下我還有問題要問,不要一味地往南邊跑,你要多多照顧苗栗。我到經濟委員會看你一直在做大官,而且是當朝的紅人…… |
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龔部長明鑫:沒有啦! |
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陳委員超明:但是我覺得你一點都沒有幫我們苗栗的忙,你都往南部去。 |
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龔部長明鑫:我去苗栗不只一次。 |
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陳委員超明:我今天的重點講得很簡單,我們苗栗有火力發電廠,如果我們要設立臺中以北的大數據中心,你們要不要全力支持? |
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龔部長明鑫:因為現在的大數據中心是國科會在…… |
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陳委員超明:我不是在跟你說地方,你們以前有講過北部不能再設了,我只有抓準這個契機。因為電的供應量不夠,只有苗栗的電量供應最多嘛!我這個時間給你拖很久了,我還有很多問題要問你,你不能這樣拖時間。 |
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龔部長明鑫:我可以把委員的這個想法跟意見轉達給國科會,我覺得委員講的也是有道理。 |
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陳委員超明:有道理嘛!你講話國科會會聽,因為你以前在國發會,包括葉主委,看起來都是你的徒弟,為什麼?你們寫的業務報告都是一樣的。你不用辯,你要幫我說話啦! |
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龔部長明鑫:常務官是一樣的。 |
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陳委員超明:不是常務官啦!好不好?請回座。部長,你從國發會的主委到行政院的秘書長,到現在的經濟部長,大矽谷計畫有三個:苗栗後龍產業園區,還有竹南第二期科學園區的推展,還有頭份的科學園區,經濟部的後龍科技產業園區我已經解決了。 |
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龔部長明鑫:是。 |
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陳委員超明:經濟部作為目的事業主管機關。 |
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龔部長明鑫:對。 |
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陳委員超明:但是你的官做到這麼大,我千拜託、萬拜託,我發覺一不理你,你當行政院秘書長後就躲起來了,還好你來當經濟部長我可以天天盯著你。我一直向你拜託,那邊是國科會主導的,它是目的事業主管機關,我請你幫我們協調你都不出面,但南部要一個什麼,你都比誰還快,我苗栗要一個什麼,你就這樣拖拖拉拉的,我實在……還好這一次你來當經濟部部長,我隨時能看到你。 |
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因為你做過這些事情,你最清楚,你要不要再幫我們協調一次?接你的劉鏡清主委,他卸任當天的早上7點鐘發了一個訊息給我,說他很抱歉,這個沒有幫我協調成功。現在你從行政院秘書長來當經濟部長,要不要幫我協調? |
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龔部長明鑫:報告委員,這要分成兩個部分,一個部分…… |
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陳委員超明:你又分成好幾個部分,我不曉得要聽哪一個部分。 |
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龔部長明鑫:現在就是……比如說後龍的部分,這個是我們經濟部主管的。 |
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陳委員超明:對、對、對,是我協調完的。 |
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龔部長明鑫:那個我們會全力來做。 |
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陳委員超明:你們那些人優秀,都有全力地幫忙。 |
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龔部長明鑫:但是如果是跨到國科會的部分,我們就只能轉達,或是希望國發會來協調…… |
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陳委員超明:部長,你聽我說的話,大矽谷計畫當時是由你當主委的國發會提出來的。 |
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龔部長明鑫:是。 |
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陳委員超明:然後到現在已經一年多了,你在當行政院秘書長的時候,我碰到這個問題有請你協調,說得難聽一點,你有一點不理不睬。 |
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龔部長明鑫:沒有啦! |
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陳委員超明:你當行政院秘書長,我要請你過來,你說我很忙,我沒有空,這些都不是假的,因為我是很老實的人,所以這點……當然你是經濟部長現在管不上,但是你以前的影響力還在,我是要用這樣,要不要幫忙我協調? |
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龔部長明鑫:好啊。 |
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陳委員超明:真的、假的? |
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龔部長明鑫:有啦! |
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陳委員超明:好啦!你這樣說,我就相信你,這是你現在在這裡說的。再來輝達要在臺北設總部,大概要3公頃,現在怎麼樣了? |
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龔部長明鑫:我們經濟部被要求的是說,在10月24號之前,如果T17、T18沒有談妥的話,我們可能要儘快地把備選的基地提供給輝達參考。 |
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陳委員超明:給輝達參考,那你能再幫我一次嗎?其實不一定要在臺北,我們苗栗縣有一塊土地非常漂亮,到高鐵,用走路的只要2分鐘,有20公頃又便宜又好,不但研發中心可以設立,包括它的宿舍、包括它招待的外賓都可以在那邊設立,請來促進我們苗栗產業的發展。你也記得那個地點,離新竹科學園區、工研院,坐高鐵的話大概是16分鐘,開車大概是20分鐘,臺中科學園區大概是25到30分鐘,交大、清大都在旁邊,你幫我們引薦一下。不一定要選在那個地方,而且苗栗風光明媚也非常地好。 |
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龔部長明鑫:報告委員,我們的態度是這樣,我們會儘量多提讓他去參考,反正這個是他決定的…… |
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陳委員超明:你帶我去,帶我們縣長和我們去拜訪他,不然我們碰不到,只有部長才碰得到。 |
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龔部長明鑫:對於可能的基地,我們都會提供給他參考。 |
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陳委員超明:可以不可以? |
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龔部長明鑫:我們會,如果…… |
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陳委員超明:好,謝謝,今天講的3件你都可以,我本來有七、八件要問你的。好,今天到此為止,有3件答應我就很滿足了,希望能承諾下來,幫我完成好不好? |
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龔部長明鑫:好,謝謝。 |
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陳委員超明:謝謝。 |
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主席:謝謝。 |
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接下來請賴瑞隆委員詢答。 |
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332 |
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委員會-11-4-19-6 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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林岱樺 |
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邱議瑩 |
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陳亭妃 |
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張啓楷 |
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鄭正鈐 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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謝衣鳯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
陳超明 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
賴瑞隆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
呂玉玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
王育敏 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
盧縣一 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
蔡易餘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
葉元之 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
廖先翔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
柯志恩 |
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高金素梅 |
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賴惠員 |
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吳宗憲 |
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李坤城 |
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徐富癸 |
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羅廷瑋 |
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王鴻薇 |
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伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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洪孟楷 |
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謝龍介 |
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林楚茵 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[29] |
張嘉郡 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[30] |
邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[31] |
牛煦庭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[32] |
劉建國 |
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253 |
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2025-10-22 |
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1148701 |
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1148701_00009 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況,並備質詢 |
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1148701_00013 |