| IVOD_ID |
164535 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164535 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-22T10:35:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-22T10:43:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:56 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/615807a88c5be4da2ed4e5d1ca73ac6827ea0d01a9ed952c83c966d97180d5d262550bf84ff2585b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:35:21 - 10:43:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請外交部部長林佳龍報告「近期台美關係及關稅談判進展」，併請行政院經貿談判辦公室、經濟部、農業部列席，並備質詢。） |
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部長好我也好跟部長請教一下因為之前我們現在跟美國關稅政府講說是暫時性關稅但是從8月到現在也暫時很長一段時間了大概暫時了好幾個月了請問大概要暫時多久您的預估因為現在寫總結報告中這個總結報告完我想應該就可以宣布總結報告大概要寫多久應該已經草案都有了吧草案都有所以一個禮拜 |
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還是兩個禮拜因為這涉及到台美 也涉及到美國他們把他就是最後的階段怎麼樣再進一步來這個確定所以大概兩個禮拜 |
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我剛剛講這是最好是因為最近我講包括APEC啦或者是各種的這個國際的會議啦但是美台之間都一直有在溝通我知道有在溝通啦我們也沒有否認說政府有溝通只是因為暫時暫時大家會以為很短嘛但是因為暫時現在暫時很長了所以大家會想要知道到底還要暫時多久我當然知道有溝通你們絕對不會在家裡睡覺嘛一定就是很努力在溝通嘛可是總是要讓大家知道 |
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還要暫時多久嘛因為現在暫時關稅我們是20%加N嘛那主要出口的競爭國日本韓國他們是15不用加嘛所以我們比他高嘛但是政府那時候說放心啦我們一定會談到至少不要疊加嘛然後甚至於20可以降到15嘛所以現在在談嘛我現在只是在問說還要暫時多久會暫時到年底嗎 |
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我跟委員報告因為談判是一個非常策略性的互動那我們做好準備有各種的方案但是其實 |
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這個時間也是談判策略的一部分有些東西也擠不得怎麼樣去發揮最大的談判效果這個不是想要破壞你們的談判策略而是國人想要知道因為有些產業他要思考說他怎麼因應比如說你如果要暫時半年暫時一年跟暫時兩個月他因應方式就不一樣 |
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像我們有一些企業是不是還沒有受到影響可是有些企業就已經受到影響了我們的無薪假是一直增加嘛10月1號的時候已經8000多而且那個無薪假也延燒到足科了現在也有足科有企業是實施無薪假所以我一直認為說其實我們政府應該可以在可以介入的範圍之內盡量讓國人知道現在談判的狀況 |
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大家比較有因應我知道部長可能今天也不能說所以你就沒有給個明確答案但是我們是希望不要暫時太久現在看起來像南韓就有宣布我看彭博社報導是說南韓講說他們跟美國的談判已經有實質性的進展而且在很多關鍵性的問題他們其實是有得到一些美國的一些讓步其中 |
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有一個是說因為川普在之前和韓國日本包括台灣在內的企業代表都有求婿那南韓的代表包括像三星LG還有日本的一些企業台灣的也有不知道部長你知道這事嗎我知道有這件事那台灣的企業代表是誰 |
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我不方便待會發言嘛他們邀請誰或誰去啊或者這之間的你知道有台灣的代表但是不能講就對了因為他也沒有公開啊彭博的報導嘛外媒的報導嘛那所以部長是證實有這件事情的啊沒有沒有我是說有求聚這件事情但是誰參加 |
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我也不是參加者你知道有求續啦你知道有求續有啊 這個電視上都有看到電視上有看到然後他說有台灣的代表嘛那你不方便證實還是你不知道台灣有誰去我 |
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都有一些掌握但是我這裡我的角色不適合不適合講那實際上這個求續對南韓來說他們馬上就發布了他就說他們已經有實質性的進展所以人家也沒有在像你那麼緊張人家就是跟韓國人講說我們有實質性的進展因為之前南韓關稅貸談的時候也有卡住 |
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那美國要求他們要投資三千多億美金他們不願意嘛所以他們現在一有進展就跟國人講韓國是相對公開透明的國家啦我們稍微保守啦然後他們講說韓國現在已經建了因為他們同時建了盧特尼克跟貝森特啦那我們這邊的談判對口是誰啊這可以講嗎 |
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我想包括這個USTR的這個Clear還有包括這個財政部長Benson還有包括商務部長Lotnik這三位都有關都有關所以我們跟韓國見到的 |
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對象是差不多的因為我現在是你都不講所以我就用南韓來類比啦人家有好的結果我們應該快有好的結果委員確實掌握非常那請教一下現在有一個消息是說我們現在要用全面開放美租還有美國車進口零關稅來換取不疊加只有這件事嗎這是涉及談判的內容有行政院經貿談判辦公室在負責那是不是請那個經貿談判辦公室來請 |
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是 像委員報告就是說有關於這個談判的這個承諾的內容我們都是秉持著這個四大原則國家利益沒有 不要再講原則了啦我再問說有沒有要全面開放美豬啦現在這個都在談判的過程當中所以我們是秉持四大利益在跟四大利益的話那開放美豬就是四大原則在跟美國進行談判好 那你覺得開放美豬有沒有影響到我們的食安 |
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有沒有有關於這個問題可能比較不是啦 開放美豬有沒有影響食安你們沒評估喔我們都是在這個有沒有影響嘛 開放美豬以前那個國民黨開放美牛的時候民進黨是上街頭的啦那現在要開放美豬有沒有影響食安你如果連這個答案都答不出來你怎麼談判你有沒有影響食安嘛 有還是沒有嘛 |
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跟委員報告在四大原則的評估的時候我們都是請相關部會一起來評估的不是 你們已經在談了沒有辦法這樣很單純的講有或沒有你今天一定是說美豬有影響食安有或沒有那在沒有的情況之下我們去用這個條件去談嘛 |
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有影響實案因為行政院已經揭示了就是說實案很重要所以全面開放美租就沒有這個選項所以我現在問你說這個有沒有影響實案嘛你覺得沒有那我們就放心了啊你就可能會一談嘛你如果說有影響實案我們就放心嘛就這麼簡單嘛這個有什麼好不能講的只是說你現在打的模擬兩可大家就知道說這可能就有啦那沒關係那美國車進口零刊稅這個有沒有 |
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有關於這個談判的細節現在目前因為還在進行當中等到有談判結果其實大家其實都有建議過因為主席站起來其實大家都有建議過你在談判過程你適當的揭露國內的輿論或者是在黨聲音也可以成為政府對外談判的籌碼這個對台灣談判是有利的不是說全部都不講才是有利其實適當揭露才是有利的 |
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那你現在最後揭露如果說全面開放美豬或者是什麼這些條件都被大家發現正是這樣其實我覺得政府會受到壓力是更大啦好 謝謝謝謝 |