| IVOD_ID |
164522 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164522 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-22 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-22T09:37:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-22T09:45:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/615807a88c5be4dad6afe2fd4e1f109cc0c14dc0092bf1ba83c966d97180d5d2e00fe85888996f755ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:37:43 - 09:45:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
3.黃被提名人葳威-立法院第11屆第4會期交通、教育及文化委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查行政院函送國家通訊傳播委員會委員提名名單，蔣榮先為委員並為主任委員，程明修為委員並為副主任委員，黃葳威及羅慧雯均為委員，請同意案。
【10月20日（星期一）依序分別審查蔣被提名人榮先、程被提名人明修；10月22日（星期三）依序分別審查黃被提名人葳威、羅被提名人慧雯。】
【10月20日及22日二天一次會】） |
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請備提名人 請黃備提名人 |
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各位評審們 您好 您是政大的教授 是學者出身想必應該是很有理想性但您是不是知道 前任的NCC的委員有兩位 林立雲 王維京在卸任前 把NCC批評得簡直一文不明他說NCC嚴重腐化 淪為首長制 委員完全沒有決定權 |
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然後主委有排案權所以主委有很多主導性讓他們這些委員都難以施展抱負跟理想而且他說NCC是空有獨立機關之名因為干預的力量太大那我想能夠干預NCC也只有行政院或者是執政黨 |
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請問一下如果您進到了這個NCC作為一個委員本身又那麼有理想性遇到這兩個剛剛講的前委員所講的狀況您會有什麼反應嗎 |
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因為所有的委員的結構全部都改變了我覺得我們要忘記背後努力面前然後我個人還有我這次我們一起的這四位其實我們之前也有做一些的協商就大家都是一個素人出身所以我們希望能夠互相的尊重彼此的專長那也希望委員相信我們 |
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如果又出現執政黨干預NCC讓NCC空有獨立機關之名那身為學者你會怎麼樣跟執政黨抗拒我想我們應該說不吧但是因為這是個假設性的問題因為是發生的嘛這是兩位前委員講的啊我說說這是可能的狀況啊所以如果您遇到的話你會勇敢跟執政黨說不叫他不要干預NCC的運作 |
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報告委員之前我有參加過電影分級電影分級沒什麼政治性因為他們主要是講正媒他們講的主要是正媒 |
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所以學者進到NCC就如果遇到讓你做出非獨立的判斷我覺得大家還是要勇敢的捍衛新聞自由因為貝提名人您是廣電系的教授你是這方面的專業我想請教一下因為這分兩個部分一個是平台的管理另外一個是頻道的管理頻道 |
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我先問一下現在因為以前政府對於平台或頻道管理比較嚴是因為頻道稀有嘛在早期的時候頻道很少所以管制很嚴格但現在因為數位匯流其實頻道不管是在有線電視或一般無線電視或者是網路頻道是非常多的那個內容是到處都是啊那你認為 |
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現在我們政府對於廣電的管理不管是頻道或平台它的管理應該要鬆綁嗎還是應該要維持像以前頻道稀有的管理方式報告委員因為台灣是一個跟世界一起同步往前走的國家 |
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那目前全球在整個的影音媒體跟數位化的這個轉型過程其實是慢慢讓治理的部分趨近雖然沒辦法一致但是是趨近所以我相信在頻道的管理部分事實上它需要有公平正義 |
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就是在數位化如果做了這麼多魚舉的事那在頻道的部分我們當然希望數位化的這一塊要能夠節制那但是在頻道這個部分有一些的經營上面的一些比如說我其實最關心的就是廣告管理啦我覺得廣告管理 |
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如果他違背了特定的法規比如說兒少或者是性剝削這個絕對要做管理我問更精準一點因為我們時間有限我會這樣問是因為我主要我認為因為前一屆的NCC委員自己都承認了他們受到外部干預力量太大空有獨立機關之名中天被關台 |
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中天被關台那當時他們關台的不給他們換照的理由是說屢次違規內控機制失靈 |
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是這樣 但實際上根據中天後來去訴訟現在已經26連勝 NCC是26連敗當時的很多處分都被法院打臉我就跟您請教 其中有一個有一個名嘴在中天的政論節目評論陳吉仲是最不適任的由始以來最不適任主委 |
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因為這樣子NCC認為中天沒有善盡查證的責任所以就裁罰後來法院已經撤銷了啦如果你是委員的話你會做出一樣的處分嗎你會去裁罰中天嗎因為名嘴評論陳吉仲是最不適任的主委 |
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妳會這樣做嗎我覺得這好像應該要判斷吧而且我記得在整個的判決當中應該是16跟7跟3好像不是26連敗我記得我在法院判決書查到如果陳吉仲我剛剛講那個名嘴這樣評論您認為這個名嘴這樣子評論他是不善盡查證責任中天沒有善盡查證責任說要被處罰嗎 |
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我覺得如果你是委員的話好我覺得這個部分是這樣子他是一個評論但是呢如果是陳其聰委員他可以去告他不要閃避問題啦我現在講的是說您是委員嘛你現在是委員的身份因為你現在是應徵委員嘛對如果你是委員就是可以有裁罰的權利嘛對可是因為這個是一個評論 |
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所以你覺得應該被裁罰嗎是一個評論的話其實他要先進入到自律他律的過程所以實際上實際上現在證明說當時裁罰中天很多東西都是因為是不是按照NCC前委員講法是有外部干預力量嘛所以做出這樣裁決嘛那現在中天你不要說幾連敗或幾連勝啦他確實是法院撤銷了很多NCC的處分沒錯嘛 |
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那NCC之前也花了很多納稅人的錢變了很多訴訟費一直在打官司但是屢戰屢敗請問一下委員提名人如果是您進入到NCC你還會支持一直打官司下去嗎即便是你判斷之後你審視了法官的一些這個撤銷的理由你覺得沒有勝算你還要繼續打下去嗎因為你要花納稅人錢繼續打這個官司嗎 |
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這個問題是這樣子我覺得我們在做任何的判決跟決定之前我們需要去徵詢各方利益關係人的意見那然後如果NCC有理的話他就需要去堅持他的道理但是如果法院判決認為這個當中需要做調整的話那我們就應該要改進其實這你講的比較空洞啦坦白說所有的法院判決通通都已經出來了啦 |
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這個問題應該是可以很具體的回答因為如果有做功課的話應該都有看到法院判決的理由其實法院對於最關鍵的判決是兩個那兩個是說他發回地院跟審所以我們還在等判決沒有 我講的是個別案子的個別的案子 |
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對 所以可見你們並沒有去研究嘛所以才回答得比較空泛嘛對因為我覺得在公務機關的立場他一定有他自己的堅持我們是希望說可以本於良知啦獨立行使職權啦謝謝是 |