| IVOD_ID |
164502 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164502 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-22T09:43:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-22T09:56:31+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/615807a88c5be4da37147d1c0d8efdaee29853ba2d60c06d83c966d97180d5d253aeae6a5651927f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:43:56 - 09:56:31 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處、財政部就「中央對直轄市及縣（市）政府補助辦法修正後，一般性補助款審查與評比基準、財務計畫檢核基礎、撥款方式等規範及作業程序為何？修改財力級次計算公式之合理性及對各縣市補助款影響為何？計畫型補助款範圍與業務定義？對各縣市未來整體財政補助金額之影響」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請主席長 財政部阮市長好 請主席長 阮市長幾位長官委員好好 幾位長官好這個財化法是財政部在管還是主席總是在管 |
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財務法是財政部在管嗎對 但是裡面有涉及到一些你們說昨天去找幾個地方政府的財政局長來討論結果給他感覺像過水 像糊弄一樣你說裡面營業額從20%變成8% |
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30%變成8%人口40.5%變成18%都減少減少 什麼地方增加什麼地方增加這個我跟委員報告這個有時候這樣講可能不太精準人家已經這樣寫媒體這樣寫 你說你要澄清是不是讓我簡單說明不要說明 你再告訴我什麼項目增加你跟我講什麼項目增加 |
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我們現在是這樣你不要浪費我時間你告訴我什麼項目增加你現在營業額佔比也降低人口也降低什麼增加你就回到這個你不要跟我講其他的我們現在是把指標弄得更公平合理你告訴我哪一個項目增加 |
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增加昨天這些部分當然就是每一個縣市都有不同的意見什麼項目增加你還沒有回答問題我已經講了營業額從30%降到8%這個字打錯了那人口40.5%降到18%什麼項目增加你告訴我啊你不要讓我有時間啊 |
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比如說什麼項目增加因為昨天就這一步沒有達成共識但是我覺得有幾點很重要的你告訴我哪幾個項目增加你告訴我這一部分因為老實講沒有說所謂哪一個項目增加 |
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沒有嘛 這就要減少難怪地方政府的我們現在就是最重要的就是我跟委員報告我們第一個 我們就是幾個有共識的不要讓我有時間啦 你不要亂說的喔所以光是這個就代表什麼意思代表 |
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地方政府只是被告知中央只有走程序過水而已欺負地方政府就是這樣我現在告訴你才華娃你們提出來我們來講我們就堅持因為你要提出來開始打個布水平最少五年 |
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五年啦 最少五年我們不會同意的我們只有說同意修16.3那個離島的解決馬祖的問題其他我們不會接受基本上不接受先跟你講這樣喔因為你看到現在為止什麼增加你也不講 |
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你也講不出來所以你現在只有心目中只有看看看沒有增加不然你告訴我哪一項增加有沒有哪一項增加但是我跟委員報告昨天有很大的一個進展沒有進展啦有進展 有很大的進展第一個我們就是說第一個要優先彌補這個財政收支差短 |
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這是第一個第二個我們搭配財源保障機制財源保障機制不是你這個都叫我歐盟席度那市長啊我就被你很失望了真的來 那個署長陳署長你要不要講一下什麼地方項目增加 |
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有沒有項目增加的就像我們剛剛次郎說的那個我們優先米平財政休止插船那這個部分就是佔了一大塊而且是真的就像剛剛委員您提的那個基礎的項目要先確立你都減少減少你沒有跟我講增加 |
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減少變成營業從30%變成8%人口40.5%變成18%啊什麼地方增加嘛你告訴我什麼地方增加沒有啊沒有啊來我們看下一頁好啦你既然沒有的話我就告訴你你提的版本我們絕對反對 |
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你既然這樣講我絕對反對反對到底我們堅持現在版本除了16.3那個要改很小的改以外其他我們全部反對就這樣 像你說你不講我就反對不是我跟委員報告不要講了來我們看一個來現在來講包括主計長那個統籌分配稅款因為你的主計長 |
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你講的喔你最後一頁你寫的喔是說藉此機制啊保障所有視線 |
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縣市114年所獲得統總分數款一般補助款加計畫補助款三項加總比起114年只增不減這一句話是有問題的你已經講了九個縣市其實是低的不是增加的 |
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所以現在來講 你要講 哇讚度 哇讚喔 說給了哇大方的 給了4100多億可是你沒有講 你拿回來2600多億啊所以你實際上只有給1500多億而已啊你實際上只有給1500多億啊但是你到處哇啦哇啦講 喔 我給了4000多億沒有啊 你只給1500多億啊三個加起來 來 我就問你一個問題 簡單的問題 |
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這個以後是不是都如此都是同仇加一般加計劃一定不會比114年少夠縣市喔 夠縣市是 目前的規劃是這樣子所以目前我們有九個縣市是低於114年度嘛你已經補起來了嘛 |
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對 還沒 所以我們這裡面我們有一項均衡補助的一個我們就會把它添補起來但是我們現在就是說因為財化法裡面還有345億沒有分配那我們等到它分配之後它整個其實又是變動的那你345億有其他的委員說要拿去給什麼 |
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所以我們必須要看最後的一個決定立法院後面將來他還決定這345億的走向確定之後我們才能夠決定說到底差短是多少 |
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我感謝你這句話這樣你可以不可以再承諾一遍說只要你當主席長的一天這三項永遠不會少於我們院長有同意這一個布就是子家不少是 |
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這是行政院有承諾是這樣子所以等於是說各項補助都沒有減少三個加起來喔那如果這樣子的話我可以提個案子計劃型補助款各縣市也只加不減 |
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計畫是沒辦法 我坦白跟你說實際上執行起來是有困難的因為為什麼 他的政客 這每一個計畫他不見得都是 他執行任務完成之後他就會停止了 就不再做了那你說維持這個額度 那這樣負責永遠橫幅 |
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那個窮者永恆很窮那譬如說你計劃型有的是譬如說捷運它金額很大那你現在我維持它還是維持這個額度將來對一些少數沒有捷運的建設是不公平嘛所以你就砍計劃型就亂砍一通捷運就亂砍一通啊不是亂砍一通 而是把 |
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原來縣市應辦的事項回歸給縣市自己去辦理那這樣他有更大的一個自主的權利財政部啊 財政部來 財政部你知道最近有那個加勒菸啊上市以後一天就下市 你知道吧 |
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我常常報導裡面也看到了 國建署那邊的問題這是你的事情喔 研究管理法31條寫得很清楚你們管的主管單位就是財政部 |
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煙酒管理經過包裝出售製造業或者進口業者要直接接觸的容器上標示尼古丁及焦油的含量這次下市就是因為沒有標尼古丁跟焦油的含量對 罰則 |
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改正以前不得繼續銷售第二個不符合的話沒錄請問你有沒有沒錄根據法則有沒有沒錄了沒收了沒錄把那個加熱鹽沒收了聽不懂聽不懂你聽不懂我們這個案子就是我這個案子你有沒有把他沒錄啊 |
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有沒有把他冒收 末路天母 |
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我們已經有他要求他下架回收啦因為他沒有標示那個離股店嘛不是啦 你沒有標示你要沒入違規的菸酒要沒入就是你要沒收咧你有沒有把它收到財政部這裡面啊是目前沒有沒有啊 那就沒法啊因為他是第一次上市啊第一次就要啦 是第一次對不對不符合本法 你知道法則五十條之二喔菸酒管理法五十條之二 |
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不符合本法標示規定的研究 沒入違規的研究所以加勒研你要沒入啊你沒有沒入啊就我們的這個研究管理法來講我們是分次來罰款如果最後他沒辦法達到我們要求目標的話我們才會沒入 |
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那但是這個案子是針對因為它違反是陰害防治法我知道啦那這兩個法他們不管他們可是你們有法有工具可以用你要把它沒入我還跟你強調的你要改正以前不得繼續銷售然後50之二不符合的你要沒入 |
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你們顯見的你們堵職啊你堵職啊我們研究管理 我跟你講研究管理法50次啊你有沒有處罰 我救你 我給你處罰處罰多少 處罰多少正常要罰多少 |
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你告訴我答案我就下去了正常一般罰多少因為現在還沒有開始開罰但是我們現在的標準是100萬以上到500萬以下100萬以上500萬以下連續 |
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連續處罰 連續處罰然後如果他還是沒有達到我們要求的話我們要求他就是要沒入什麼時候要沒入這個就要看他有沒有前面他有沒有按照我們的規定繳納不要忘了喔 大家都以為大家都以為有關於菸的部分是屬於衛福部不是的喔研究管理法明擺的事業目的主管機關是財政部 |
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沒錯 但是我們財政部是負責菸酒的市場管理但是有關菸奶房子那一部分三四一票已經有了上面要標示你股定跟交友的容含量如果沒有標你就要處罰然後最多可以沒入100萬到500萬的處罰開始處罰對 沒錯開始處罰囉我們會依法來處理盡快喔好 謝謝好 謝謝賴司法委員 |