iVOD / 16449

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IVOD_ID 16449
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16449
日期 2025-01-06
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-2-20-15
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第2會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 2
會議資料.會次 15
會議資料.種類 委員會
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] 20
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] 財政委員會
會議資料.標題 第11屆第2會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議
影片種類 Full
開始時間 2025-01-06T09:22:30+08:00
結束時間 2025-01-06T10:55:00+08:00
影片長度 01:32:30
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
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會議時間 2025-01-06T09:40:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議(事由:繼續審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分,關於財政部主管臺灣土地銀行股份有限公司、財政部印刷廠、臺灣菸酒股份有限公司。(處理))
委員名稱 完整會議
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 2如無個別項目修正及續名隨同營業總支出審查結果調整4轉投資計畫無劣數5重大制建設事業14億1349萬2000元6資金運用1如有修正除住民修正意見外另加續並依據營業收支生產成本營規撥補轉投資及重大制建設事業等項之審查結果隨同調整2如無修正因續名因依據營業收支生產成本營規撥補轉投資及重大制建設事業等項之審查結果隨同調整文體案部分
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 同案共五案第一案建議國營金融事業機構比照同業採外加發放方式並提高員工伙食費至每月三千元委員郭國文等三人提案第二案國營金融事業有關員工生意補助事宜建議每胎補助新台幣十萬元委員郭國文等三人提案第三案
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transcript.whisperx[17].text 委員郭國文等三項提案第四案建議國營金融事業機構比照飯宮股銀行辦理員工福利信託辦理方式為員工薪資提存金每月一千元以上含公司獎勵金每月一千元以上含委員郭國文等三項提案第五案
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transcript.whisperx[18].text 國營事業卻未應UOCR必須於當年度增列構建固定資產預算 建議修正相關法規為構建固定資產預算至一般建築及設備計劃部分除房屋及建築中資新建或構置新各項辦公房屋 宿舍與交通及運輸設備中資構置管理用車輛及增加國庫負擔經費者外 區域項目依UOCR自行辦理並補辦預算
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transcript.whisperx[26].text 委員 委員民財等三項提案 第二十六案要求臺灣土地銀行比照薪資勞退雇主每個月必須為勞工至少提繳一千五百元員工也對等提繳存入員工 退休經理 財專戶 投資上市櫃公股銀行並提出書面報告 委員代事保等三項提案第二十七案要求臺灣土地銀行對當年度盈餘超過法定數時應針對超額盈餘部分再提列百分之十至百分之二十發給員工分紅並提出書面報告委員代事保等三項提案第二十八案 土地銀行
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transcript.whisperx[27].text 因同步增加對員工發放技巧獎金、超營與獎金、縮小公股銀行與民營銀行的薪資與福利差距、文化方位等三項提案第二九案要求台灣土地銀行應提高所屬員工生意津貼至少12萬元並提出書面報告為賴氏寶等三項提案第三十案離開土地銀行
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transcript.whisperx[28].text 土地銀行球隊之籲球員事後得到特殊評估表現可否保留其回任擔當行員之資格儀式委員請台灣土地銀行研議並提出書面報告委員李坤誠等三人提案第31案請財政部與土地銀行與商局院內完成相關組隊性組隊性評言者落實與運動員團體參與之整體性規劃並提出書面報告委員賴慧妍陳佩儀等四人提案
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transcript.whisperx[29].text 財政部運銷所提案共事案 第一案本期經濟增業200萬元 委員賴思寶等三案提案 第二案銷貨收入增業2000萬元 委員賴思寶等三案提案 第三案管理費用減業100萬元 委員陳玉珍等三案提案 第四案固定資產建設改良擴充經費 凍結50萬元 委員吳立華等三案提案台湾營業股份委訓公司提案共33案 第一案稅前經濟增業1000萬元 委員李坤城等三案提案 第二案
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transcript.whisperx[30].text 營業總收入增列兩千萬元為原款等三項提案 第三案銷貨成本減列五億元為耐事保等三項提案 第四案製造費用向下服務費用支付修理保養與保固費減列兩百萬元為米坤城等三項提案 第五案行銷費用減列三億元為
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transcript.whisperx[31].text 陳玉珍等三人提案 第六案行銷費用減略兩億五千萬元為納釋寶等三人提案 第七案行銷費用之服務費用減略一億元為郭國文等三人提案 第八案行銷費用向下服務費用之印刷裝訂集公告費減略一百萬元為李坤城等三人提案 第九案行銷費用向下推轉費用减凍結一千萬元為明德福等三人提案 第十案
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transcript.whisperx[32].text 推展費凍結300萬元為人民財等三人提案第十一案管理費用減虐2000萬元為賴世保等三人提案第十二案管理費用減虐500萬元為陳玉珍等三人提案第十三案營業費用向下管理費用凍結2000萬元為賴慧芸等三人提案第十四案管理費用向下服務費用減虐2000萬元為郭國倫等三人提案第十五案營業
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transcript.whisperx[33].text 管理費用向下電腦軟體服務費凍結兩百萬元為聯名財等三營題案第十六案管理費用向下拖展費凍結百分之十為聯名財等三營題案第十七案拖展費凍結百分之五為林德湖等三營題案第十八案研究發展費用減六兩百萬元為陳玉珍等三營題案第十九案研究發展費用
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transcript.whisperx[34].text 動決兩千萬元委員代會員等三人提案第二十二案研究發展費用動決兩千萬元委員代會員等三人提案第三十一案研究發展費用向下服務費用動決一百萬元委員郭國文等三人提案第二十二案
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transcript.whisperx[35].text 員工性命費用凍結20%委員王宏輝等三人提案 第二三案營業外費用資向下補助及捐助凍結100萬元委員賴慧玲陳佩玉等三人提案 第二四案固定資產建設改善擴充凍結100萬元委員吳立華等三人提案 第二七案一般建築及設備計畫減劣4000萬元委員林德虎等三人提案 第二十六案
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transcript.whisperx[36].text 一般建築及設備向下 機械及設備之 高雄營業處 物慮啤酒廠 內附菸廠等太陽光電建置凍結500萬元為煙快營等三項提案 第二七案主決議 請臺灣菸酒公司針對菸品及酒類產品轉型計畫為題 提出專案報告為煙快營等三項提案 第二十八案 請臺灣菸酒公司提出SBR 臺灣啤酒
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transcript.whisperx[37].text 燃酒隊及TPP 台啤雲報基層推廣燃酒活動之計畫報告委員李坤城等三案提案第二九案台燃酒公司與六十辦理職業安全衛生管理計畫強化職業安全衛生委員會之功能並確實檢討各公安事故發生原因引要求台燃酒公司提出書面檢討報告委員李坤城等三案提案第三十案台燃酒公司針對泰王光電建置計畫經費
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transcript.whisperx[38].text 提出計畫報告 委員李坤城等三案提案第31案 要求台英煙土公司應就如何提升主力產品銷售市佔率及營運績效提出書面報告 委員郭國文等三案提案第32案 台英煙土公司之啤酒廠共13個包裝線112年度僅台北啤酒工廠坪二線使用效率93.39% 超過9成人教111年度95.96%減少
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transcript.whisperx[39].text 與研磨提升並提出順利報告 王世堅等三人提案第三三案 臺灣菸酒公司部分酒廠虧損擴大與研磨有效改善措施並強化設備維護作業以減少虧損或提高精力並提出順利報告 王世堅等三人提案 宣讀完畢我們開始協商
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transcript.whisperx[40].text 全部七十幾個案子但是因為有協調所以事實上案子很少那我們有一些通案我們趕快跟他討論一下通案預算提案有五案來第一案文字修正這郭委員的我們沒有意見我有一件大家請舉手我們就發言那沒意見我們就這樣照這個尊重提案委員的意見好文字修正第一案沒意見通過第二案也是通案文字修正第三案通案文字修正
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transcript.whisperx[41].text 第四案也是通案文字修正以上都是我現在這次很多委員都有第五案也是通案文字修正這次很多提案都是希望這個財政部可以照顧國營事業的員工不管從伙食費到各個費用要回去真正通盤的檢討財政部可以這個提案人是那個郭國文吳秉瑞是第五案還有意見嗎
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transcript.whisperx[42].text 吳委員是第一 都有連署第一地方吳本業委員都有提案跟連署有郭國文是第一案跟第二案
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transcript.whisperx[43].text 是嗎 他把他寫在上面 他把郭國文畫一個箭號在上面好像他是提案人 好吧那是吳秉銳委員跟郭國文共同提案那你跟我們道歉那是吳秉銳委員 共同提案你們兩個 應該是三個共同提案 好不好好 都OK 我都沒有關係這些都是有關這個國營事業的一些伙食費一些員工的一些績效獎金希望財政部回去以後針對可以自行不用再經過什麼人種的部分趕快先行處理部長有沒有問題
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transcript.whisperx[44].text 我能不能稍微說明一下這個案子其實知識體大我覺得這個福利其實不是靠個人的權益的問題而影響到人才的招募現在人數相對於十年前大概已經少了七成以台銀來說甚至比核擴還少然後我大概抓了一下以台銀為例的話平均年齡大概45到46歲這是偏中高齡
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transcript.whisperx[45].text 所以這樣的人才庫以後會斷層這對國家公股銀行其實是很不利的我相信大家都知道我說這個真的是要解決一個好的方法而部長真的是責無旁貸要去面臨這個問題我要提一下莊部長你一定要好好做這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[46].text 你們的人事處長啊就拿一百零四年的公文立黨這個案子所以我們朝野立委都一致都認為應該為了公營事業國營事業的人才著想這個福利啊應該這個從有比照翻棍鼓結果現在黨的原來公會給我翻令了我以為是假的原來是要翻針的財政部在黨
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transcript.whisperx[47].text 財政部在擋 財政部論事處就拿著一百零四年的公文擋 說不可以 沒辦法這個公就是專務部長你才背所以現在公會都跟我抱怨說專務部長啊 表面說好啊事實上左手說可以 右手就叫論事處去殺
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transcript.whisperx[48].text 所以這等於沒用了 各位委員 五大的委員我們朝野都有共識結果就是你們就是一個律師處長就擋在那裡然後就是推給人事總署我覺得莊部長你要出面親自來搞定這個事情你要去找人事長
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transcript.whisperx[49].text 人事處長有來啦我們還是讓等一下羅明財委員講完人事處長你要回應一下為什麼部長在這裡都跟委員說可以你都說不可以啊 你在背後都說不可以啊你請羅明財委員先講給人事處長回應一下謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[50].text 我想國營事業機構特別是金融的部分土營跟台營加起來全部人數包括印刷等等大概超過一萬五千人以上長期以來這個圈圈裡面大家都越來越沒有耐心因為看到今年的所有金融事業機構
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transcript.whisperx[51].text 獲利大概接近快一兆結果國營事業這些人員長期以來都沒有得到一個好的人生志向的發展你比如說富邦他一年證券部分可能一個人可以領大概十幾個月以上的紅利
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transcript.whisperx[52].text 還有很多的獎金所以民間的這個機構啊對於大概30年以來本來是應該由公營事業機構的經營的這個市占率節節敗退所以這有兩個影響一個是好的人才留不住
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transcript.whisperx[53].text 再多的榮譽抵不過肚子餓的情況還是要跟現實來低頭第二個就是這些人才變成沒有一個方向
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transcript.whisperx[54].text 所以訓練完了以後民間機構可能他就是訓練完他們就拿走了這殊為可惜所以我要拜託莊部長我們討論好幾年的這個不公平的形象怪異的形象你應該以四個字來看看怎麼樣來推動
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transcript.whisperx[55].text 以奉養廉比較合理正常的薪資讓所有的國營事業機構的員工可以願意待待得住認真做努力做這個才是一個最大的公約數我請部長在任內是不是可以想出一個好的方式謝謝好 吳秉瑞委員 謝謝劉慧玲
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transcript.whisperx[56].text 這個是我的提案啦我們共同提案前提就是原則上我們支持但事實上這裡面牽涉的東西很多啦還包括法令還包括整體制度當然剛剛各個委員的高見我就舉一個例子嘛你公股銀行現在泛公股有八間嘛其他的已經股票上市了跟這個完全百分之百公股是不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[57].text 制度也不一樣福利待遇也不一樣但是有一些比如說伙食費啊有一些生育補助啊這個我覺得盡量年長獎金適度提高因為有時候涉及到全部的公股事業不過也不要光想說對員工不好因為我對員工比較好
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transcript.whisperx[58].text 因為在這樣的銀行現在是大家獲利高嘛大家就想要爭取高額的獎金嘛但是當如果狀況不好的時候民營的企業或是這些股票上市的企業他們的在員工的淘汰上面的靈活度是比原比這個公股的這個保障要小多了公股的坦白講我們都了解要淘汰也比較不是那麼容易所以我是覺得我們提這個案是你當讓你當一個背景
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transcript.whisperx[59].text 讓這個大家讓你要去爭取的時候讓他知道說各黨派
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transcript.whisperx[60].text 民意代表都支持 那你就盡量去爭取這也不是你個人可以決定的 我深深知道啦因為我父親以前是 等於是現在富人是總長嘛所以我很了解這些制度 就是讓你盡量去爭取裡面有很多項 不是只有一項 不是光只有談薪水就譬如說生育補助 我覺得這個就很好啊那大家也在鼓勵生育啊 對不對 然後
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transcript.whisperx[61].text 譬如說有一些吃飯你要吃飯750塊這個不太像話嘛等等這一類的這些東西所以是我們做了你的靠山讓你盡量去去爭取啦那大家的意見其實都是一致的加油啦謝謝先請問一下剛剛在委員所說人事處長說的這個有意見嗎就是像比如說我們先針對委員所提的伙食費跟生育補助這兩個這兩個還有經過人總嗎
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transcript.whisperx[62].text 這個部分也要經過人種嗎你拿麥克風說一下
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transcript.whisperx[63].text 現在委員很關心我們國營事業的福利其實按照國營事業管理法就是說各種的待遇跟福利都是要由行政院來定標準剛剛委員提到104年的解釋提的就是說銀行的那個伙食費其實在82年的時候已經冰到待遇裡面去現在是沒有伙食費這樣子的一個
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transcript.whisperx[65].text 來 部長 大家答應的算什麼答應面比較高啊我想這樣 謝謝我們委員對於國營事業 尤其是金融事業對於攬財跟流財當然也要育財這個議題的一個重視尤其是金融事業目前來說是一個完全競爭的一個市場有我們的完全國營 還有泛工股
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transcript.whisperx[67].text 預算上就是說如果當年度的預算沒編的話是不是就是可以把流程上節省一下讓他們在運作上更具有彈性這幾個主題我們都把它彙整起來然後要有一個更好的一個說辭因為也涉及到主種人種
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transcript.whisperx[68].text 那我們會去說服然後去盡力來做我謝謝委員這個部分的支持我們的國營事業的金融事業那這個部分我們是不是一起來做那這個部分如同剛剛吳委員所說委員的提案等於是我們最好的一個後盾跟背後我們一起去說服然後也許
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transcript.whisperx[69].text 沒有辦法一次就達成但是我們要逐步往這個方向去推好不好這個部分我們一定會做已經上個禮拜已經我已經請人事處長跟我們的會計處長來談那這個部分我們會用更多的一個說詞來去來去跟主總跟人總來做說明跟爭取
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transcript.whisperx[70].text 部長這樣講是一個輸入法啦我覺得不夠積極啦我覺得剛才人事處長有講而且包括人總的長官也在後面盯著主計總署主計總署也在後面盯著這個其實你們都是收心力國民事業管理辦法嘛
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transcript.whisperx[71].text 法嘛 我們來修啊我們來修法我們來修法
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transcript.whisperx[72].text 你們也提出來 郭國文委員好我們有接請部長積極處理啦那先生已經都聽到了啦這邊討論也沒有辦法因為後面還有案子很多嘛 好不好我們現在不然我們也來提修法嘛你財政部你也可以提出來喔 朝野都支持吧好 現在已經到通案的第五案了齁都沒意見齁 文資修正齁這吳品慧委員的提案齁通案第五案好 接著我們進入台灣土地銀行的預算提案齁來 土地銀行第一案齁第一案 第二案 第三案 併案
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transcript.whisperx[73].text 增略稅前盡力1.8億元請土銀將相關收入與成本調整項目給議事人員這個沒問題吧沒有問題那個第一案嘛我的第一案嘛是這樣子基本上我跟土銀這邊已經有一點協調了
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transcript.whisperx[74].text 但是我還是說一下那個何董基本上是土銀人嘛40年了那土銀的這個部分的業務都過渡其中一個販款的業務高達七八成獲利也是來自於這邊那既然已經這個經常性的業務對你來說其實是非常顯熟這個毫無挑戰性可言
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transcript.whisperx[75].text 我說你如果接掌或是董事長之後有一些結構性的啦多元化的啦或者是中長期的你要納入思考包括後面的部分的前置資產實在太多過於老舊的問題那個都應該去面對啦好不好好好的一展身手啦不然的話老是靠這種方式其實沒差你土銀40年好不好OK 好啊 羅民財委員請發言好 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[76].text 從央行一連串的打房措施了以後的確國內的房地產成交的情況大概急劇的萎縮我想要請教一下這個土銀算是土地土龍建龍的國內的龍頭我想請教一下董事長的看法
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transcript.whisperx[77].text 就是新的這一年你對台灣整個房地產的發展大概是趨於保守還是覺得會嚴重的下滑
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transcript.whisperx[78].text 其實以目前的狀況來看整個房地產的市場的價格應該是價穩量縮那因為營建成本的造價還是節節高升但是目前很難在這個氛圍下很難把它轉化成銷售價格消費者也不容易接受所以量會縮
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transcript.whisperx[79].text 但是價格呢 建商也很難有機會說把這個價格再往下當下來所以這個可能要堅持大概將近快一年的時間讓大家建商跟消費者能夠互相接受這樣最後再問一下 請問一下你預放的情況怎麼樣有沒有受到環境景氣的影響擴大
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transcript.whisperx[80].text 其實土地銀行目前的預期放款是八價公股行戶最低的只有0.08%也就是說整個預期放款跟整個來看整個土地銀行目前沒有但是我們很怕的也是跟大概很多委員或者是媒體所講的是怕說未來的五年以後的清安的預期放款會不會增加這個目前是還要再觀察但是就過去
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transcript.whisperx[81].text 水線的情況土銀會不會縮銀更
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transcript.whisperx[82].text 土地銀行目前的所有的貸款只要是政策性的都不會所以我現在的那個新清安還有首購我都繼續做至於央行所有的有關管制的部分呢我都會配合管制而且會成數跟利率都會比較高那個放款的成數會下降 利率會上升這個是一個趨勢是希望說穩定國內的真正需求的人能夠有購屋的機會這樣
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transcript.whisperx[83].text 就是普遍的趨勢都是這樣好 接著那第二案是Lancelot委員提的我們就併第一案了 也是就是1.8億嘛稅前盡力增加1.8億那第二案是李昆城委員的也是併到第一案了也是 你看原來提1億嘛那我們到1.8億啦好 第四案 那委員提的主決議改組決議有關這個詐騙的部分 這個
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transcript.whisperx[84].text 第五案也是賴委員提的改組決議的部分一個月提書面報告然後第六案賴委員提的改組決議這個服務費用的部分要做不要要做這個人頭帳戶的這個控管第七案是賴委員所提的來 刪減預算 減略兩百萬好 順道辦理的減費兩百萬順道辦理好 第八案是王世堅委員提的
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transcript.whisperx[86].text 土地銀行他們對於空地貸款那中央銀行早就有頒一條就是說空地18個月未動工的空地貸款結果現在統計下來九大公營行庫那空地貸款超過18個月總共2115億這當中土地銀行就佔了1150億之多那
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transcript.whisperx[87].text 他們的董事長在後來答詢的時候我問他的時候他跟我說有馬上他們第一個月就減了他說減了減到剩200億他說奇怪那這是很好這很好成績結果回去一查不是這個樣子啦他們是把定義更改他們把起核的日子調整之後
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transcript.whisperx[88].text 那之後他又更改他說他一個月減200億那事實上也沒有就對反正每次他講的這個數字他是把定義調整之後調的但是我們要的是你貸款給這些空地他空地他沒有申請建造他一直擺爛他就一直擺著這樣拖著的你要去跟他收回這才是實際的
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transcript.whisperx[89].text 所以我認為在這個部分至少跟他三個五百萬他才會有一些警示的作用
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transcript.whisperx[90].text 因為在這個部分 土銀不能一直說我是土地融資 不動產融資的專業銀行所以我有權利去做更大的授信是 他們做這些部分的授信金額做得夠多也夠大但是他如果冷靜想他一千一百五十億借給建商去做空地貸款而不去催收的話
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transcript.whisperx[91].text 等於一坪土地我們以一百萬來算等於讓建商
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transcript.whisperx[92].text 空有11萬坪的土地隨時買著11萬坪的土地在那邊買地養地圈地難怪我們生斗小民要買房子的時候房價節節高漲所以他們等於變相在助長了這些不孝建商買地養地圈地所以我認為這個事情嚴重何董事長說明嗎
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transcript.whisperx[93].text 土地銀行您提的1173億是在112年的12月到10月的時候土地銀行已經收回了260億至於上次給你的新的定義是根據主管機關的就是說央行管制之前的
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transcript.whisperx[94].text 還有都更為老的因為都更為老沒有辦法在18個月完工嘛 動工那些如果扣完了以後才是後來的266億所以我跟委員講真正的已經如果這些都不扣那現在也是少掉了從1173億減成為900幾億就是已經也收回了260億
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transcript.whisperx[95].text 那我為了配合政府的政策我減少建商囤地養地其實我的土建農的放款在今年一年內也少做了將近三百億因為我把這個錢移到做清安跟首購來所以對我想我應該是很配合政策在進行土地銀行的整個放款請委員能夠相信土地銀行一定會去盡量去做好不然你就回憶一下嘛可以刪一點嘛可以刪多少是
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transcript.whisperx[96].text 跟委員同時報告一下說今年多出了900多萬是因為一月份我們布里斯本分行已經開業了所以還要增加出差而且今年又申請了東京分行所以差旅會一定會增加至於布里斯本跟日本的東京分行的要申請布里斯本的開業我是不是能夠請委員300萬就好可不可以
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transcript.whisperx[97].text 好 三百萬一筆 李坤城的五十萬多啦 併入啦好啦 三百萬啦 比較快的啦 給他刪一下就好其實你可以刪別的地方 還有其他的分行啊三百啦 多刪一百啦 四百 四百啦 剪列四百萬齁 李英輝剪列四百萬齁坤城 那個你 他那個併入啦齁四百啦 併入嗎 四百萬 對 李委員你的要併入嗎
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transcript.whisperx[98].text 8跟9科目自行調整主席
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transcript.whisperx[99].text 好 11案11案50萬 簡略50萬 沒意見齁沒意見齁 尊重好 涉案簡略專業服務費6千萬 也是王世堅委員的這個是6千萬這個是這樣啦土地銀行
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transcript.whisperx[100].text 其實這10年來我們政府推動ESG那在銀行用ESG去評估壽信戶這個部分我們政府特別要求公營行戶一定要特別去注重ESG那也請了第一銀行做很多ESG相關的規範跟表格讓
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transcript.whisperx[101].text 各家銀行來遵守那既然土銀是不動產專業銀行那麼有ESG的這一些參考數字作為但是
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transcript.whisperx[102].text 土巨形式啦 比方說土銀放款的那幾家惡質的建商我上次舉例過啊 光那個新復發從北到南的工地 每個工地都有公安事故要不是摔死人 就是摔成重傷 每一件都有
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transcript.whisperx[103].text 即便連那個半年前整個工地塌掉那個叫什麼中泰那個大池那什麼也是土銀做的所以我不懂如果你
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transcript.whisperx[104].text 發生事情以後土銀用ESG的這個要求標準重新把它檢視的話是不是應該對這樣的貸款要不就收回要不就減少那個金額要不就是提高他的利息怎麼通通都沒有阻止他們欸 任他們自由來去我意思是指這樣你土地銀行既然是土地的專業銀行
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transcript.whisperx[105].text 那你特別在貸款給這些不孝見商的時候你要特別盯住他的ESGESG做最好的你說你們是土地專業不動產專業營啊人家
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transcript.whisperx[106].text 那個義營做最好啦義營是商業銀行他還不是土榮不動產的專業銀行人家他都可以做那麼好他一樣貸款給不動產的啊他為什麼就不會這樣他的數字就遠比你低很多所以在這一個部分我才會說用這個懲罰性的跟你們小扣一點那個主席這是我的看法
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transcript.whisperx[107].text 好 那個主委你有什麼看法跟委員講 我覺得那一天列的新霧花的那些案子其實只有台中那個案子是在我們那邊做並不是所有的案子都在我們那邊做只有台中在裡面做對 就是那個 不過已經和解只有台中台中傷亡最厲害
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transcript.whisperx[108].text 那個就是因為有扎到捷運的那個部分但是要跟我們講說這一個專業服務會這個部分這個部分真的沒有辦法刪除這麼大的金額是主要今年多增加了兩個比較重要的費用必須是因為土營的
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transcript.whisperx[109].text 警衛跟保警會全150家分行跟總行資訊處所有的保警會呢今年因為基本工資的調漲我們外包的保警會今年會增加3000多萬的費用那另外呢今年又要搭配了一個資安軟體的建立就是AI的那個自動化的情資連那個連黃碗跟其他的行戶大家連在一起的這個費用大概有3400萬
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transcript.whisperx[110].text 所以委員如果一次刪這麼大的金額真的今年真的不啦 你可以刪多少啦 趕快啦五百萬好不好 剪裂五百萬不然差太多了啦這樣子啦 來來來 四千那個科目來啦 王偉我們執行率都96%欸董事長 董事長 等一下他講了一個道理 因為你們增加了六千多萬這樣子呢 王委員啦少一個零啦 六百啦 這樣就好了啦六百 少一個零就六百萬
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transcript.whisperx[111].text 簡略土營業務費用的服務費用 專業服務費600萬元整 科目自行調整
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transcript.whisperx[112].text 第十三案推展費減略一百五十萬 科目自行調整好 第十四案減略管理費用兩百萬 科目自行調整第十五案 王委員的減略其他營業項目下的研究發展費用兩百五十萬元等一下 科目自行調整跟十六案是不是 王思英委員這跟你提的同一個項目是不是並進來你是十六 王委員是十五
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transcript.whisperx[113].text 你 他是簡列了 啊你凍結了 就把它簡列就好了 簡列最快但是可以請你 請他給你寫我建議啦 我簡列就不要凍結啦 好不好 就這樣子啦直接刪預算啦喔 刪250萬 那王世堅委員的那個 一樣請他在一個月內併入第10萬 那寫報告一樣照寫
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transcript.whisperx[114].text 是同樣的一個項目17案改組決議
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transcript.whisperx[115].text 這個我一併講一講因為18跟19是有關的東西18跟19都是郭委員的18的部分還是閒置資產的部分閒置面積高達5000多坪大概佔15%所以我是給土銀一點壓力就是針對那個收入大概300這個不難來要加油不要給董事長壓力那麼大 300
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transcript.whisperx[116].text 19的部分是整修費用因為你其實閒置越多整修費用就會越多那相對所以也是另一方面的鼓勵我本來是減5000後來改成1000這樣我自己再降500好不好減略500萬要達成比較重要不是要刪多少
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transcript.whisperx[117].text 20案改組決議 主席 主席17案喔 17案有舉手我還是要提一下 雖然我已經改組決議可是我還是要提醒一下因為特別提到這個綠色的融資推展永續發展
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transcript.whisperx[118].text 那我是覺得說因為我們原鄉最近以來有很多人要做生殖能發電或者小型公民電廠或者是露營廠等等那其實呢他們都很缺少資金所以我覺得這個部分一定要納入原鄉要加強他們的這個綠色授信的方案
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transcript.whisperx[119].text 下次委員提到有關於那個我馬上請問我們的用麥克風講去聯絡那個原住民保證基金請他趕快下來然後我們趕快配合這樣來做這樣子一直催他也希望他說他早點來讓我們也早點說委員交代的事情我們再執行
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transcript.whisperx[120].text 好 謝謝董事長 謝謝主席 謝謝吳委員20案 陳怡貞提的 這個是金門分行 你們注意一下進度 該組決議18案 柯木自行調整18案好 300萬 甄烈營業外收入300萬甄烈還要柯木自行調整收入裡面大柯木
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transcript.whisperx[121].text 20案我們進門分堂的提一個進度21案也是改組決議22案專案報告改成書面報告這是顏寬仁委員提的23案李坤忠委員提的這個是組決議
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transcript.whisperx[122].text 有沒有問題啊用麥克風回應喔
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transcript.whisperx[123].text 24 案郭公文23 案遵照辦理就主決議啊本來就主決議啊24 案呢遵照辦理25 案遵照辦理26 案遵照辦理27 案哪一案請說拿麥克風說一下有什麼請說第幾案26 案26 案是不是好請說
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transcript.whisperx[124].text 其實跟主席報告就是因為這題一樣是涉及這個國營失業整體的員工待遇員工待遇 而勞保薪至勞退中停六趴是賴委員提的 你的案子是 那跟賴委員報告就是因為這題一樣是涉及我們國營失業整體的員工待遇第26案對 那這部分其實因為會涉及相關法令規定的修正哪一個部分涉及相關法令規定因為它要免受用人費用限額的限制哪一個地方
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transcript.whisperx[125].text 到戶主提列部分的費用向下 免受恐慌這位長官你也感性太多了吧這個就一個月提出書面報告那有啥就寫報告你有什麼心思可以寫就好啦你有什麼心思在裡面寫就好啦你怎麼會這樣子呢本來是建勤委員可不可以在圖明上面加演繹兩個字不可以我看一下 他已經有寫了他是要求比照對等提交
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transcript.whisperx[126].text 他是請你在一個月內提出書面報告啊就你寫書報告可行不可行你說這個可能涉及國民世界管理的辦法可能要涉及修法那你寫出來我們就知道我們要按照這個我們就去修法
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transcript.whisperx[127].text 我們到最後還是依法辦理嘛可以嗎 沒有問題的好 26號 遵照辦理我們會提書面報告好 會提出來 他們的意見提出來如果要修法 您提出來嘛好 27案 主決議遵照辦理好 28案的 王同學有提的一樣啦 就是員工的績效獎金啊什麼這些相關的縮小福利這個
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transcript.whisperx[128].text 尊照辦理 尊照辦理29案 一樣賴世保員提的生育補貼尊照辦理30案 一樣李坤成委員提的這個羽球隊這個要請你提出報告 是不是可以回認 得到特殊體育表現 可不可以回認單行員研議一下三個月的提報告 是 尊照辦理好 31案
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transcript.whisperx[129].text 文字修正有沒有問題有文字修正 文字修正後的決議遵照辦理 遵照辦理 好土銀結束了 剩16萬來那個凍結遼東剛已經檢列了你要凍結嗎
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transcript.whisperx[130].text 這看起來是小事其實是大事啦今年也只是處罰他們一下原因是什麼他這個是這樣啦土銀既然是土地融資不動產融資專業貸款但你們更應該知道
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transcript.whisperx[131].text 所有的銀行貸款給不動產那都必須各當下你整個行你總存款量多少不能超過百分之三十這是最基本的規定好了你知道這個我們政府是在管制這個但是你錢借給數條三兄弟
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transcript.whisperx[132].text 這些有一些比較沒辦法的建商找銀行借不到只好就找薯條三兄弟建商喔找薯條三兄弟結果你們變成一條食物鏈不效建商找
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transcript.whisperx[133].text 這個薯條三兄弟然後薯條三兄弟來跟你們借錢你們等於對這個地方形成了破口薯條三兄弟去把錢借給了建商不受這個總存款的百分之三十的限制那我一直問土雲說那你這個部分多少你有沒有查結果你們到現在也沒查也沒當一回事我知道金額很多
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transcript.whisperx[134].text 第一點你借給鼠條三兄弟就不對了啦你就講你是做土地融資房貸融資專業銀行你怎麼會去借一個奇奇怪怪的有牌的地價錢莊呢第二點這個有牌的地價錢莊還把錢借給這些更高高的那你覺得應該是要凍結多少人我認為齁其實我認為他整筆把它刪除都不夠分啦但是是這樣我是認為說給他一個機會齁
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transcript.whisperx[135].text 凍結百分之二十然後看他現在凍結就跟你原來一樣前面有簡略了不是但是差別是因為國營事業預算常常到了年底才會通過才會三途通過所以等於是等於是就完全沒有機會解凍了那就跟那個每往年都是這樣子所以就等於是簡略
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transcript.whisperx[136].text 你的意思是要他們寫出一個報告出來如何避免嗎一個月內就提出來了嗎跟委員報告一下我們真的有從委員上次開過會說過以後我們的額度已經從254億變成241億而且我們現在控管他讓他不能夠用在這個方面所以他最近的餘額只剩下130億
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transcript.whisperx[137].text 所以我們現在很注意他的資金的流向就是委員講了以後那時候的總額度254億後來我們就開始到期的有的我們就不給他轉了就只剩下241億那目前的餘額是130億那以後我們也會遵照委員的就是我們的用途你必須先給我一個告訴我我這個的用途你會用在哪裡有一個說明給我
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transcript.whisperx[138].text 可以不是用在不動產上面我們才給客戶動波所以我們一定會嚴格的去控管不要讓資金流到不動產上面因為他做到不動產等於是跟我們在競爭我們也不會希望是這個樣子他大作多作做好多年他騎在你們背上用你們的錢去做這個科目2500萬我們剛剛已經減略250萬了就減略10%了
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transcript.whisperx[139].text 所以我才會說你就不用再動了我已經檢列了就寫個報告給你啦寫個報告給你啦
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transcript.whisperx[140].text 接著我們請印刷廠
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transcript.whisperx[141].text 印刷廠第一案增略稅前金利100萬元沒問題嗎沒問題客戶自行調整廠長沒問題嗎沒問題這個溝通過了第二案增略銷貨收入500萬元成本隨同調整沒問題請稍後一下第三案
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transcript.whisperx[142].text 剪裂管理費用五萬元坑戶自營 喔 對不起 羅委員謝謝主席我想請教一下部長現在的 部長在任意刷廠
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transcript.whisperx[143].text 他的功能到底是在哪裡的以前有印統一發票吧是不是報告委員是現在好像沒有什麼特別功能然後一個那麼大的中華民國的財政部我請教部長你現在這個證交稅一天可以收多少錢就你現在這個每年都要來審這個財政部印刷廠那你知道他的稅錢紀律是多少錢
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transcript.whisperx[144].text 各位請部長說明一下說明一下印刷廠稅前經歷跟委員報告
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transcript.whisperx[145].text 最前進力的部分請等一下廠長來說明我想印刷廠到目前為止當然它還是有它的功能統一發票也並沒有完全的雲端化然後其實我們印刷廠在這個技術面上一直在提升包含就是說那個鑒別尾的所以有很多重要的一些我們上次的那個是不是也是那個花蓮鑒
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transcript.whisperx[146].text 也是請印刷廠來印製因為他在那個鑑別那個真偽的部分還有他的一個技術那個中央銀行都在做了中央銀行在新店安坑那個有中央印製廠所以我們的護照特別珍貴的比較保密性的那邊都是有人在做了那剛剛部長就是想說你的證交稅一天可以收多少
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transcript.whisperx[147].text 證交稅應該是和他的日成交量日均量如果是5000億那5000億的話我們正常來說40%大概是當沖剩下60%不是當沖就是3%跟1.5%那那個金額要看他當天的那個成交量那大概嘛你就是說日均量5000億的話對我們要再算一下來趕快你們財政部數字應該馬上送出送出來了其實你一邊多少
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transcript.whisperx[148].text 你講這個數字我是要讓部長知道說你是中華民國的財政部部長然後每年都花很多的時間在印刷廠稅前經歷2757萬身上部長你不要去管一個2000多萬的事情來那個增加稅多少3.75億你說這個多少億3
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transcript.whisperx[149].text 就是如果說五千億的成交量三四億部長我再講一次你一個證交稅一天就是三四億部長你要管的是很大的事情我不希望說部長你每天這種很小的事情然後每年都要因為這個事情煩一次你算一算十年下來你會浪費多少時間都在上面
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transcript.whisperx[150].text 你應該把多點時間去看看要怎麼樣改變台灣的稅制讓台灣在亞洲地區可以扮演
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transcript.whisperx[151].text 這個財富管理中心的位置是不是要開放比特幣各項各式的這個金融產品讓台灣可以競爭力超過香港超過新加坡我是要拜託部長要做這件事而不是每年這個省就是稅前紀律就是兩千七百萬部長如果你是說你要把心力花在比較大的事務上面
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transcript.whisperx[152].text 國家的競爭發展率比如說世界的潮流趨勢 虛擬貨幣員工的照顧台灣貧富懸殊的差距應該怎麼樣縮短國家至上民眾第一嘛想的應該是這個事所以是不是這個印刷廠是不是可以整併啊或是一次性的調整啊
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transcript.whisperx[153].text 是不是部長可以想一下這個問題 謝謝國家至上 民眾第一謝謝 謝謝委員的期許那我想印刷廠目前來說它還是存在嘛那今天是在省114年的預算是不是就預算的部分請委員支持對 廠長要多負優解讓部長少抄返你們廠裡的事情所以針對銷貨收入500萬隨成沒有問題啦好
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transcript.whisperx[154].text 第三件是簡略管理五萬元客戶自行,沒問題啊?沒問題
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transcript.whisperx[155].text 這個不要剪個5萬啦剪個20萬好了他才100萬因為預算才100萬那個報告那個賴委員這裡那個預算才100萬陳委員已經有簽名同意了他一直在檢列請他們要進行管理要好一點因為預算才100萬5萬錢很少5萬不要剪錢真的很少
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transcript.whisperx[156].text 好 結五萬了齁好 第三案改組決議好 結束了齁 余教掌好 謝謝趙委員好 台灣菸酒好 台灣菸酒公司 三十三案第一案 來 李坤城委員的
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transcript.whisperx[157].text 只要增列這個稅前金利1000萬有沒有問題那個湯總配合辦理增列1000萬增加稅前金利1000萬第二案袁寬恆委員改組決議沒問題的遵照辦理第三案要減劣銷貨成本2000萬元科目之前自行調整沒問題的沒問題的
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transcript.whisperx[158].text 這位委員可不可以讓我們再少一點三減成本 2000萬還好客戶自行調整 2000萬很多那也是保險
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transcript.whisperx[159].text 我原來的提案是五億啊我已經少一個禮物要撿一半了啊沒有 那個五億是那個助理把數字看錯了沒有沒有 你執行率都這麼低執行率這麼低就是因為很多外在的原因啊你們不同意 不同意就保留吧
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transcript.whisperx[160].text 沒有啦 我們先保留保留 保留 你這樣說你怎麼有保留啊400億 400多億他的加熱菸也賣不出去然後就是一大堆困難啊保留保留保留400多億要不保留待會再討論啦
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transcript.whisperx[161].text 保留我就堅持送就表決表決表決那好我每一個案子都幫你們這個案子我堅持就這樣子那委員我們遵照辦理就遵照辦理謝謝遵照辦理客戶自行調整客戶自行調整好來第四案李坤城委員的簡列兩百萬兩百萬有沒有問題配合辦理配合辦理客戶自行調整好
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transcript.whisperx[162].text 第五案改組決議第六案減行銷費用五百萬科目自行調整沒問題配合辦理然後第七案第七案跟第六案一樣的也是減略五百萬那這兩案就併案吧
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transcript.whisperx[163].text 好 第六案跟第七案一樣啦 併案併案就好了 郭委員檢略五百萬啦好 客戶自行調整 這兩案是一樣的好 第八案是印刷 第八第九案 呃 第八案沒有 第八案是印刷費用這個檢略一萬三百 欸一百萬 那個李坤城委員呢 那個有那個 配合辦理喔 配合辦理喔 好
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transcript.whisperx[164].text 第九案 林德福委員的前列推廣費一千萬
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transcript.whisperx[165].text 第十案 改組決議第十二案 改組決議第十三案 改組決議
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transcript.whisperx[166].text 第十四案 簡略管理費用的服務費用兩百萬元 科目自行調整配合辦理的 沒問題喔配合辦理了齁第十五案是改組決議第十六案也是改組決議董事長 配合辦理齁配合辦理十六案也沒問題十七案是凍結推展費百分之五 五趴
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transcript.whisperx[167].text 兩個月內提報告配合辦理配合辦理齁反正這個是多少錢很多餒百分之五百分之五你沒問題前面有沒有三會到年底吧因為卡到年底喔喔好OK好好第十八案齁主決議對啊因為解不了洞嘛第十九案改組決議
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transcript.whisperx[168].text 那他就寫書面報告 剛那樣寫書面報告二十案改組決議 二十一案組決議那個二十一案我提醒一下董事長董事長你也剛來 你們那營業項目太多元化了連清潔用品也在用 什麼生機真的是營業額越來越少 項目越來越多這個非酒類跟生機類的 裡頭銷售額泡麵就佔一半了
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transcript.whisperx[169].text 所以其實真的不用大費周章,就專心好好本業經營好好的,留下來做,那邊也不用做了,要花一點時間跟精神你是說什麼?我們未來會剪相了,說產品就對了你是說生技產品嗎?對啦非酒類跟非煙酒類其實像我們金酒,我說一下,像我們金酒公司還在討論說不要只做酒,是不是要學台灣煙酒做生技產品我們金酒還在這樣講
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transcript.whisperx[170].text 所以這個有時候方向這個可能整體討論我們金酒還在這樣想我們金酒還說我們怎麼只有賣酒呢這樣子可以嗎是不是像人家台灣金酒都做生技產品台酒就一個血淋淋的例子啊就是真的是沒有那麼多財多益在不同的階段都可能大家有不同討論好這是主決議你們也是真的研究一下到底方向怎麼樣我們金酒也可以學習一下
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transcript.whisperx[171].text 動節員工訓練費用5%
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transcript.whisperx[172].text 給書面報告 沒問題嗎 配合辦理23案是改組決議 沒問題就是幫球員想一下
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transcript.whisperx[173].text 配合辦理配合辦理
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transcript.whisperx[174].text 客戶自行調整26 改組決議27 改書面報告飲品及酒類產品轉型計畫
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transcript.whisperx[175].text 二十八 李坤誠委員的是要講組決議啦齁 籃球隊 雲報推廣計畫我們計畫改書面好不好書面是啊 計畫本來就是書面對 它是計畫本來就是書面配合辦理它是要寫書面報告是不是對 書面報告寫書面報告啦齁
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transcript.whisperx[176].text 李坤正委員給你書面報告三個月內二十九案也是給你書面報告公安來往的問題配合辦理配合辦理二十三十案李坤正委員的太陽光鏈建置計畫也給個報告配合辦理我們也是計畫改書面就是寫書面報告給他對對書面報告三個月內這樣委員會提出來三十一案文哲要修正三十案文哲要修正三十一案
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transcript.whisperx[177].text 如何增加主力產品市佔領營運績效 三十一案啤酒的 郭委員的好三十一案是配合辦理 配合辦理是主決議主決議好 配合辦理好 三十一案王思健委員的也是主決議書面報告
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transcript.whisperx[178].text 有沒有意見 配合辦理好 33案王思堅委員 也是書面報告配合辦理好 結束好 都審查完畢留兩位委員要宣讀喔好 謝謝大家
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transcript.whisperx[179].text 協商完成請議事人員宣讀協商結論
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transcript.whisperx[180].text 宣讀協商結論通案部分第一案修正通過第二案修正通過第三案修正通過第四案修正通過第五案修正通過台灣土地銀行股份衍進公司部分第一案第二案第三案併案增略稅前經費一億八千萬元相關收入成本隨同調整第四案改組決議第五案改組決議第六案改組決議第七案減略油電費兩百萬元
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transcript.whisperx[181].text 第八案 第九案 併案檢列領運費400萬元第十案 檢列修理保養與保固費250萬元 科目自行調整第十一案 檢列暫儲包裝代理及加工費50萬元第十二案 檢列專業服務費600萬元 科目自行調整第十三案 檢列推展費150萬元 科目自行調整第十四案 檢列管理費用200萬元 科目自行調整第十五案 檢列其他營業費用向下研究發展費用250萬元 科目自行調整
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transcript.whisperx[182].text 第十六 改組決議第十七 改組決議第十八 增業營業外收入300萬元 客戶自行調整第十九 檢列固定資產改良擴充500萬元第十八 改組決議第十一 改組決議第十二 修正通過
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transcript.whisperx[183].text 專案報告改書面報告第23案 招案通過第24案 招案通過第25案 招案通過第26案 招案通過第27案 招案通過第28案 招案通過第29案 招案通過第30案 招案通過第31案 修正通過
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transcript.whisperx[184].text 財政部印銷廠部分 增略稅前經營100萬元 科目執行調整重新宣讀第一案 增略稅前經營100萬元第二案 增略銷貨收入100萬元 成本隨從調整第三案 減略管理費用5萬元 科目執行調整第四案 改組決議台灣菸酒有限公司
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transcript.whisperx[185].text 第一 增略稅前經費一千萬元第二 改組決議第三 減略銷貨成本兩千萬元科目進行調整
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transcript.whisperx[186].text 第四案 檢列修理保養與保固費200萬元 科目執行調整第五案 改組決議第六案 第七案 併案檢列行銷費用500萬元 科目執行調整第八案 檢列印刷及裝訂及公告費100萬元 科目執行調整
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transcript.whisperx[187].text 第九案 照案通過第十案 改組決議第十一案 簡略管理費用兩百萬元第十二案 改組決議第十三案 改組決議第十四案 簡略管理費用向下服務費用兩百萬元 科目進行調整第十五案 改組決議第十六案 改組決議第十七案 照案通過第十八案 改組決議第十九案 改組決議第十二案 改組決議第十一案 改組決議
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transcript.whisperx[189].text 第29案 照案通過第30案 修正通過 提書面報告第31案 照案通過第32案 照案通過第33案 照案通過 宣傳閉印刷廠第一案
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transcript.whisperx[190].text 重新宣讀財政部印刷廠部分第一案針葉涉嫌監獄100萬元科目自行調整 宣讀完畢好 協商完成 還有哪一個案子十一案哪一家菸酒公司的 第十一案看一下有 再宣讀一下
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transcript.whisperx[191].text 還有嗎?土英沒有嗎?沒有問題,好台灣英九股票引進公司第11案管理費用減滅200萬元客戶自行調整,宣布完畢
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transcript.whisperx[192].text 審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分有關財政部主管台灣土地銀行股份有限公司財政部印刷廠及台灣煙酒股份有限公司
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transcript.whisperx[193].text 除照協商結論通過外區部分均照列有關台灣土地銀行股份有限公司財政部印刷廠及台灣菸酒股份有限公司業務計劃部分應依據業務收支金融保險或生產成本轉投資重大之建設事業及資金用等相之審查結果隨同調整金融保險或生產成本部分隨同營業總支出審查結果調整營業總支出應隨同調整
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transcript.whisperx[194].text 資金運用部分應依據業務支出金融保險或生產成本盈虧撥補轉投資及重大建設事業等向之審查結果隨同調整請問各位對以上決議有異議
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transcript.whisperx[195].text 沒有 無意通過本委會負責審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業及非營業部分均與審查完略擬具審查報告並入審查總報告提報院會討論院會討論前須交由黨團協商院會討論時有本席出席說明請問各位委員有異議
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transcript.whisperx[196].text 無異議通過令本次會議事務授權由本席核定後確定請問各位委員有無異議無異議通過本次會議議程已經進行完畢散會謝謝大家辛苦了謝謝新年快樂
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transcript.whisperx[197].text 太刺激了