iVOD / 164449

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IVOD_ID 164449
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164449
日期 2025-10-20
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-4-19-5
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 4
會議資料.會次 5
會議資料.種類 委員會
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會議資料.標題 第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議
影片種類 Clip
開始時間 2025-10-20T10:30:29+08:00
結束時間 2025-10-20T10:41:46+08:00
影片長度 00:11:17
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
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委員名稱 張啓楷
委員發言時間 10:30:29 - 10:41:46
會議時間 2025-10-20T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議(事由:邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況,並備質詢。)
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 立法院審議算你先看他的計畫嘛看他到底要達成多大的這個量化的這個目標嘛對不對這個東西現在沒有那這樣台灣普拉斯今年的預算我就沒辦法審喔好不好我們會跟文化部討論就是說怎麼樣來來進進這一個部分各位我今天只是舉這個例子更重要的現在政府螺絲釘掉滿地就是你現在要把那個螺絲釘要栓緊我今天提的是一個辦法如果是中長期的
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transcript.whisperx[20].text 大陸的解放軍的艦隊跟艦隊激情怎麼編到這麼遠 收視率又差然後呢一堆都是力營的導演 力營的相關的力友友得利然後呢黑熊學院的得利欸 年齡熱攻擊裡面還出現黑熊學院在幫忙訓練民防
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transcript.whisperx[21].text 你這樣怎麼對得起人民呢那你從國發基金出去每一分錢都是人民的納稅錢耶好不好 所以指委請針對零日供給這個事情我覺得應該應該要好好去做一個檢討包括以後你們要投資上次那個劉指委有答應我了以後不要以後投資是投資公司不要去投資單獨的
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transcript.whisperx[22].text 一個G好不好我這上次有答應我的你要做的時候就不能改革好不好好最後我用大概30秒時間那個強化國發基金的監督
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transcript.whisperx[23].text 我們台灣民眾黨有那時候特別發起所以在立法院裡組成的國發基金有沒有產生弊案的這個調查委員會這個調查報告已經出來了 各位請你跟國發會的同仁好 看一看 好不好那我知道你非常有理想 社長你來拜訪我的時候 你有想你要做一部分的改革我們今天時間有限 好不好
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transcript.whisperx[24].text 你給我一份報告一個禮拜好不好把你準備在國發基金怎麼監督不要再產生弊案不要再浪費我們人民的納稅錢了另外已經產生過弊案了包括聯合再生如昕你怎麼解決我知道你有做的功課啦一個禮拜你給我一份報告好不好
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transcript.whisperx[25].text 那針對我剛講的前面那兩個非常嚴重的台灣PASS你趕快把他救回來不要讓他迷航了大概一個禮拜請跟文化部號討論一下做一個比較看你要怎麼把他抓回來正途好不好一定要有具體的量化的這個數據好不好那零數供給零數供給這個以後怎麼去改你大概一個禮拜給我一份報告可以嗎好可以好謝謝主委加油謝謝委員好謝謝我們張旗開委員的這個