| IVOD_ID |
164431 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164431 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-20 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-20T11:45:51+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-20T11:53:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:41 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/03f010abd9bb8d1ba080648d90611cca2e2f7db73b8fc9c783c966d97180d5d2925914c9679432255ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林宜瑾 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:45:51 - 11:53:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
1.蔣被提名人榮先-立法院第11屆第4會期交通、教育及文化委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查行政院函送國家通訊傳播委員會委員提名名單，蔣榮先為委員並為主任委員，程明修為委員並為副主任委員，黃葳威及羅慧雯均為委員，請同意案。
【10月20日（星期一）依序分別審查蔣被提名人榮先、程被提名人明修；10月22日（星期三）依序分別審查黃被提名人葳威、羅被提名人慧雯。】
【10月20日及22日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 有請講主委貝提敏仁請貝提敏仁貝提敏仁好紐約時報控告這個OpenAI侵權案我想國際矚目那同時也成為我國探討媒體溢價法這個過程中那國內媒體高度矚目的重點 |
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那人工智慧AI是您的專長之一所以首先想要請教台灣該如何面對AI時代下的侵權爭議那尤其是你將任NCC的主委喔所以要特別請教您就是媒體在AI時代下的這個權力保障具體而言 就是說你是否支持新聞有價那如果你支持新聞有價那在NCC的角度那該如何協助國內媒體因應AI的發展 |
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謝謝委員的提問所有的媒體都是由記者女士先生們慢慢的把這個字一個字一個字刻出來的所以換句話說呢當他們報導新聞的時候被這一些所謂的大型的媒體拒售瞬間用搜尋引擎就 |
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拿去他们当作自己的这样子的侵犯智慧财产权这样的做法呢确实现在在全世界大家都注意到了那国内呢也针对这样的议题呢由苏维发展部还有由NCC以及其他的甚至于公平会他们都目前现在正在讨论当中虽然他们并没有一个一致的共识到目前为止 |
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但是可以看得出來現況上面假如我們國內很清楚的讓全民的共識已經達到這個地步的話這個時候我們的政府就可以站出來很勇敢的跟這些大型的媒體說當你日後在台灣你要去做什麼樣的檢索的話你應該要採取什麼樣的作為 |
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那這樣子的話呢 我相信應該是目前所謂的侵權的爭議上面可以的一個做法 謝謝雖然剛剛我們先探討AI時代的問題喔那不過實際上就連舊網路時代下Google啦 Meta這種跨國平台跟媒體間的那種權利義務的關係都還沒有釐清喔就從加拿大跟澳洲推動媒體溢價法的例子就可以知道這是一場團體戰 |
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那從媒體到政府各部門必須要做好因應平台措施的準備那在立法後也需要長期的密切合作因為我們可以想見就發生在加拿大跟澳洲這種新聞內容招平台下架的案例必定也會出現在通過假設通過媒體議價法的台灣 |
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那好 所以我們不能放任媒體但打獨鬥所以立法的同時我們也要提出因應平台抵制的這個解方所以想請教你如果你成為主委是否會繼續來推媒體議價法或者你認為台灣怎麼因應跨國平台這個抵制的措施好 |
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現況上面我們其實很清楚就是所謂的凝聚社會的共識也就是有民意基礎的時候當有民意基礎的時候其實這時候我們的主管機關就應該要很明確的去跟這些跨國民進來去溝通例如我們的社會認同你這些Meta來台灣但是你應該有明確的責任 |
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有負責任的落地那這些負責任的落地呢就是我們不會用不當的方式去干擾你或干預你的這些的這些商業行為但是你必須尊重在台灣這樣子一個有主權的國家我們的媒體應該要有現有的這樣子的一個支持所以 |
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因為 速發部啦 速發部對於媒體溢價法 他認為雖然利益良善 可是他覺得執行上有自愛難行的地方 那所以速發部是希望轉成 發展成台灣優質媒體共同分潤平台那可是本席認為 你如果要搞這種平台 那我覺得你要先必須解決三個問題第一個就是說 你捐款 |
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是不具備強制力 那所以他怎麼樣確保財源的穩定 第二他要求民眾要訂閱那是否就是你將原先跨國數位平台的這些該承擔的這個成本跟責任轉嫁到人民身上的問題嘛 好 |
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那第三如果最終我們還是必須要透過議價跟基金的豁免機制來達成平台這個軍政的誘因那麼我們就會回歸到議價跟基金的制度該如何設計的問題所以必須提出說如果平台就直接撤掉所有台灣的新聞內容假設又或者直接撤出台灣的市場那我們要怎麼樣因應 |
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謝謝謝謝委員的提議其實我相信速發部現在從新的速發部的部長現在目前最新的分論制的平台現在目前就我所知是還在溝通當中還在演繹對我覺得主管機關不管是數位發展部或者NCC我們應該有一個明確的開明態度 |
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讓這些國外的大型的媒體或者大型的這些數位平台讓他們不會覺得台灣是一個反傷的國家之外呢也讓他們理解到說落地的責任在哪裡那我認為落地的責任可以讓企業或者這種大型企業他們去思考到 |
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他對企業社會的責任在哪裡而非只是在這邊把所有該拿到的資源把它拿走那我認為用這種方式跟大型的數位平台應該是有溝通的空間 謝謝好那我再來再跟您請教就是廣播電視法的改革的問題喔 |
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因為2024年總統立委大選的時候有特定的候選人遭質疑就是說因為他身兼新聞媒體的董事長的職務所以我們恐怕這個會讓這個新聞媒體失去報導大選的公正性所以因此為了杜絕這種掌握政治權利然後又有意剿除這個公職者齁 |
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那他會藉由來這個操控媒體的這個狀況來操作輿情所以那時候本席有提案修正廣播電視法的第五條之一規定政黨黨務工作人員跟政務人員跟選任公職人員跟登記參選公職者都不得投資廣播電視事業或任廣播電視事業董事或讀董 |
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那我那時候提的時候在野黨對本席這個大家撻伐可是現在我們來看喔這個黨狗害媒啊這個世紀大醜聞爆發我們又再一次發現其實政治人物又或者意圖掌握政治權存立者他跟媒體的關係真的是必須要被嚴謹規範喔 |
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那所以我要請教被提名人你是否支持我本席的這個修法方向那在你的未來的領導下這個廣播電視法你又想要有怎麼樣的修正革新 |
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好謝謝委員提案由於我並沒有參與這個廣播電視法第五條的這個修正案是當然非常謝謝你提這個我覺得就是不管現在的黨政軍的條款那後來將來的日後對於媒體的管制等等我認為透明讓所有的所有的監督都有透明的管道可循那這個是應該最好的方式好謝謝謝謝謝謝主席謝謝林一錦委員發言完畢 |