| IVOD_ID |
16440 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16440 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-23-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-02T08:31:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-02T14:53:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
06:22:43 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302dd2b89873ec9b2dea26c0396a52a667796529fa0cca45d562775cf120d795f9fa35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部單位預算。
二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於交通部主管中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算。
三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光署及所屬單位預算。
四、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金─觀光發展基金分預算。
【113年12月30日及114年1月2日二天一次會】） |
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完整會議 |
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08:31:16 - 14:53:59 |
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好謝謝各位我們繼續開會今天進行討論事項114年度社會發展部中華郵政公司觀光署及所屬以及觀光發展基金預算的處理我先介紹一下在場的這個委員跟列席的官員首先介紹委員從前面開始黃建豪委員大家給他一個掌聲謝謝廖先祥委員 |
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林國成委員還有我們葛國軍委員特別來關注我們蘇衛部好 林俊憲委員陳素月召委 |
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好接著介紹列席的官員我們第一個預算是審理數位發展部的首先我們歡迎數位發展部黃燕南部長謝謝部長葉寧常務司長常次數位策略師葉秀全司長葉司長任性建設師吳明仁代理司長 |
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資源管理師 劉信仁市長數位政府師 王承明市長數位國際師 莊盈智市長資料創新師 莊明芬市長 |
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你們這一排也要幫忙鼓掌一下不然鼓掌部隊太明顯了同仁之間也要稍微互動一下主計處 吳俊鈺處長還有秘書處 陳仲山處長資訊處 周志和處長人事處 莫永榮處長 |
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政風處陳春信處長法治處張學文處長我們數位產業署林俊秀署長跟我們資通安全署謝翠娟署長國家資通安全研究院何全德院長 |
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好謝謝 財政法人台灣網路資訊中心黃盛雄董事長好黃董事長財政法人電信技術中心林炫祐副執行長啊你們執行長咧喔好財政法人資訊工業策進會楊佳 |
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行政院主計總署公務預算處黃曉娟專委基金預算處李政道科長 |
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好今天謝謝我們社會發展部啊這個可以相關單位都來了如果各位也有待會有什麼就教部分要詳細回答好那我們現在進行協商同時請議事人員宣讀預算數及委員提案 |
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我們今天協商的順序是一 數位發展部二 中華郵政公司三 觀光署及所屬第四 觀光發展基金請相關列席的官員大概注意一下順序我們現在開始進行協商 |
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中華民國一月四年度中央政府總預算數位發展部稅務入來原幣預算數第二款八款及非常收入 |
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第207項數位發展部五列數第三款規費收入第171項數位發展部24億5658萬7千元第4款財產收入第217項好謝謝各位委員那今天請拿出最大本的最大本的第7款其他收入 |
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應該是算今天最後的好也請各位翻開社會發展部114年度單位預算建議併案及預算表待會審理預算按照這個併案審理的這個順序來審理好如果各位翻開我們先看第一案 |
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稅務使用 規費收入 頻率及電信號碼使用費來 主席有沒有提案好你好 主席這個我想因為數位部可以看到今天的這個建議批判預算表其實大家這個提案非常多那三的數量也非常的高當然是爭議也蠻多的 |
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那最高的大概有兩億三億的都有在刪了那我就建議說因為過去這兩週我想我們交通委員會過去以來這個省運算都是比較和諧啦 |
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很多提案委員提的數字很高但大家到最後因為委員會大家為了和氣最後就沒有上或是直接凍結而已所以我建議說這個蘇衛部預算因為我想大家也在提不管朝野政黨對這個蘇衛部的爭議或對蘇衛部的這些想法非常多那提案也非常多是不是就直接 |
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節省大家時間我們直接送後續直接送政黨協商來看不然今天我看今天這個光說不可能弄一整天弄不完目前這個光如果光每一個項目的數字光這樣來來回回大家討論來討論去吵架玩家之後我想可能今天都過不完啊所以提案說看如果我們委會沒有意見的話是不是直接送到政黨協商我們請主席採視謝謝 |
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好 謝謝黃金豪委員保留送政黨結案 陳書業召委我想立法院是委員會中心主義啦齁那審預算也是我們委員的權利啊所以我是希望說我們還是逐一來審查然後也讓那個數位部有充分說明的一個機會啦齁 謝謝 |
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好 那我想這個林國成委員我想看來看去因為省預算省到我們交通委員會這裡啊數位部是背山的比例算蠻高的啦那就代表大家對數位部的瞭解度不夠或者你們的編類預算 |
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較為苦難這個當然要先釐清這個那當然也要尊重部長因為建豪委員他提的也是有理由看起來似乎啊這個三減一算這麼多就代表所有委員對這些是有疑慮 |
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那當然還是要聽聽你的意見我想見好他的理由不是沒有理由但是大家可以商量一下你認為送到那邊去也比較簡單啦也比較簡單那你們認為希望我們神不需要送到大會那你要講出一個理由啊為什麼比例這麼高為什麼比例這麼高所以這是我個人看法那我也贊成 |
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送那個大會來審查這樣因為現在數位部所有編列的預算成長幅度啊各方面是非常高的所以到大會去啊大家三黨所有的立委共同來討論也是一件好事所以基本上建好的建議我是支持的 |
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好的謝謝幾位委員的發言那這個黃委員的建議是說這個數位發展部就整本的預算就保留送院會那我們的委員還有沒有來林俊憲委員所有主席各位同仁如果我們送到院會去院會沒有時間審查啦 |
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都是一個統三啦統三的比例都不會太高如果各位真的對各位同仁可以自己考量一下如果大家對數位數法部的預算有意見那其實應該你要審嘛你才可以逐條去了解他的業務到底在幹什麼你才可以去知道他未來的預算增加是要做什麼事情嘛 |
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我覺得如果你整本都送到大會去啊其實是交委會沒有盡到我們的責任啦各位知道他這段預算要幹嘛嗎?我認為在場的立委也不一定都知道啦沒人知道啦,你要信嗎?你不知道你審下去你才有機會去更進一步去了解不清楚我們就問他嘛 |
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其實你把他送到大會去反而好啦 保證你比較輕鬆啦對不對 你天都好你送他去 蘇華部的官員也不會比較痛苦啦好不好 大家考量一下啦如果真的是對預算有意見反而就是應該要審啦這是我的意見看法 好不好好 謝謝 尊重你的才智啦好 各位 |
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徐副委員來給徐委員講謝謝主席我想過去委員會在質詢的時候我想很多委員對抒發部的業務也都很關心尤其社會大眾對這個抒發部未來打造的功能也寄予厚望所以本席這邊 |
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我還是認為說我們既然對這個預算應該要把關也應該要好好的審查針對一些重點的一個業務的項目也應該要給予書法部一個說明的機會那我想這樣子避免說這樣到時候到院會去統刪之後結果有些重點項目的經費被刪掉之後那未來這個再打詐還有一些相關的一些數位發展的業務上面受到這個衝擊的時候就不好了所以我建議還是我們好好的來把關審查 謝謝 |
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好 那我們部長有什麼想法嗎我希望有機會給我們進一步說明我想這個很多業務可能要說明以後會比較清楚所以如果有機會我是希望能夠在這邊說明以後再來決定怎麼進行這樣 |
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好 那這樣那個建華委員各位委員我想大家這個不管是不同的意見其實只有一個目標啦就針對於我們社會發展部不管他執行的效率或者預算的這個編列大家事實上有蠻多疑問的那我這樣子好不好我就在這裡裁示我們就開始來審預算好不好盡我們交通委員會的一個責任 |
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這個部分當然為什麼我也想說針對異議啦那經過溝通啊他們所有的作法 |
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那我在這裡是有要求那數位部也原則性同意三個月以內向立法院交通委員會提出書面報告那我也同意不針類所以這點特別跟我們召集人做說明跟報告 |
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好 這個第一案是改組決議的意思嗎好的那我們現在第一案改組決議 |
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好 三個月內提供報告嘛 沒問題吧 主決也要押這樣的一個時程好 接下來第二至三案 開始審查稅出稅出的 這是整體的通案嗎沒有寫通案稅出的整個整體的通案 兩位委員提案 這個 |
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提案委員有沒有補充說明的好各位謝謝召委本席在這邊提案的第三案呢是關於速發布114年度業務費的這個預算案 |
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那我想這個業務費呢在這個案子上面總共編列是12億那我不知道這個訴發部的官員還有我們的同仁知不知道12億是什麼樣的規模我們這個詐騙集團單日最高詐騙金額一天就是5.5億所以這個詐騙集團兩天的收入我們這個訴發部要花一年 |
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去跟他對抗所以當然我們理解啦這個速發部的同仁應該是非常辛苦就是我們的資源有限那我們是在做這個不對稱的戰爭但是雖然資源有限我們也希望能夠讓這個資源可以給速發部的同仁來做打仗 |
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但是编的每一笔钱也都是名子名高所以我们一定要好好的来监督就算只有这些资源我们能不能把这些资源最大化那在这个业务费的使用上面呢我们看到速发部的预算书里面有清楚的列出积极推动打诈工作是你们的施政主轴 |
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但是我們可以看到從數據上來說我不知道部長理不理解這個越打越炸已經不是只是民間的傳言而是數據上的真相112年全台炸氣件數37000件到了113年年還沒過完的統計1到10月的炸氣件數統計是7萬多件 |
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那我们看打渣仪表本加起来我们现在已经到2025年了所以很可能是要将近10万甚至突破10万件财损总金额呢应该是已经突破了几百亿台币那我们本来看到10月份数据是稍微下降到单月108亿 |
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但是到了11月 126億又回來了我們本來還期待說12月 速發部會不會相關的打詐行為因為有相關的作為 所以又下降結果沒有 只下降2億所以又是124億 12月 我們現在是1月2號所以讓官員還有同仁都了解最新的數據 |
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那單日的財損5.5億平均每日超過4億多這個數據我想每一位官員一定都要背在心裡因為這都是民眾的痛抒發物每一年花納稅人這麼多的錢我們今天講到12億還只是業務費那卻沒有成效那又有很多這個粉磚上架下架封鎖 |
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可能有一些資訊不公開不透明甚至呢這些詐騙橫行的事件我想一再的頻傳速發部應該比國人感到更生氣更緊張但是我想我們在整個過程當中看到速發部相對消極那如果這麼消極你們又把它列為你們的主軸工作這是不是有所 |
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漢格呢到底速發部能不能一肩扛起能不能承諾明年的成效是不是有什麼樣的一個數據可以讓我們看到很明確的下降那同時呢我們也看到很多的案例裡面詐騙的做法已經開始轉型了變成是用這種所謂的扮演角色做資訊落差來做詐騙 |
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運用利用民眾的正義感開始有很多人扮演假扮警察假扮檢察官去欺騙那我們認為呢這個有非常多民眾甚至名人都受騙他們說資訊落差造成了這些詐騙橫行 |
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本席在此案建議透過雙重認證的機制2FA讓檢警跟民眾接觸的時候這些官方代表應該要出示一個rotating的六碼讓民眾將這些數碼傳到 |
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政府的官方頻道去收到確認說他到底是不是哪一個檢察官到底是不是哪一個辦案的人員到底是不是一個中央政府甚至我們都看到網紅說收到速發布的人來收集白名單速發布說沒有這些身份的驗證我相信速發布應該要一肩扛起去減低這個資訊的落差 |
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那對此呢我們有溝通啦那抒發部有說呢這個做法希望能跟警政署做實務程序的研議去共同評估甚至做技術的提供那希望請部長說明一下抒發部要花多久的時間才能夠評估完成我們每評估多一天社會就被多騙四五億台幣所以能不能快一點 |
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那另外呢這個打炸賴貼圖我是先不講他叫寶寶不說我不知道為什麼當然這是一個網紅啦是一個創作者那我想你說你應該要寶寶要說嘛因為被騙了就應該要說啊結果你這個貼圖系列叫寶寶不說其實不太理解為什麼是這樣但是因為我也有下載我覺得蠻可愛的但是這裡面的內容跟策略到底是不是我們打炸大家看到的 |
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的這個速發布希望民眾看到的東西難道希望民眾只看到貼圖嗎貼圖就能夠降低詐騙率嗎希望明年度的預算我們今天一定會嚴正的來審核希望我們在這個案子的凍結500萬左右凍結希望能夠速發布藉由這樣的一個專案來提出我們剛剛幾點的這個回覆之外也希望能夠有相關的這個做法能夠讓我們更清楚我們在於解凍謝謝 |
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好謝謝葛委員那這樣好不好部長要不要說明一下回應一下大概時程怎麼樣因為這個我看這一段只有凍結了你就看回應一下什麼時候給書面報告謝謝委員那個知道那個我們有協商過我是不是請那個署長協商的那個結果再說明一下 |
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謝謝趙委謝謝委員那這個協商的結果感謝各位同意把文字就是提出書面報告等等那也順便跟趙委跟委員報告一下目前的一些成效那假投資因為我們每天都會去掃這些網路廣告平台的一些廣告假投資已經下降從7萬多下降到數千而已 |
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那名人詐騙也下降了蠻多 從三萬多下降到變四千多所以我們觀察趨勢 但是它會轉移比如說在我們三資虛擬帳號的那個部分它就轉移到這個超商的條貸嘛那我們也跟經濟部聯訪 找四大超商來聯訪就把它超商條貸嘛 不要當作詐騙的工具這個我們也一直在進行 |
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那剛剛委員嘴巡的這個雙重認證的這個機制我覺得蠻好的那不過現在就是我們會有政府的意義當作是政府的部分那另外其實165一直廣宣如果你有疑義的話希望打165讓165來幫你這樣子 |
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大概我們目前是有這樣子不好意思我可以稍等一下我這邊先建議一下我們今天是主要是審預算大家對如果對於詐騙或者我們到時候會有專案報告或另外排流程那我們還是針對預算好 葛如君第二次發言沒關係我想這個做法上我覺得這個並沒有得到相應的答覆所以我還是因為 |
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這個剛剛講的很多數字我們其實一般上網都可以看得到那我們就希望能夠有這樣子的預算其實就是希望能夠知道具體的時程我們才能夠知道我們在預算上面要如何做那這個我剛剛是沒有得到明確的答覆的謝謝我這邊是不是可以再補充一下就是該委員這邊提到 |
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跟那個警政署這邊協調的這個部分的話我們訴訟室這邊會來處理那我們希望可以在兩個月內跟這個委員這邊提出書面報告是不是書面報告之後就可以動之我們的預算這樣子主席 謝謝好 那個林國昌委員我想你們這個在審預算怎麼那麼不乾脆啊12億多給你們凍結 |
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凍結我這個葛文勳委員這裡凍結五百萬這個你們還在談什麼理由凍結以後一個是專案報告一個是書面報告十二億多凍結五百萬你們還有什麼意見呢所以我是覺得你們在審預算 |
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該動的這動議算本來就是最輕微的給你們一個警惕12億多欸如果我是你們啊我老早就答應說好欸我還 |
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這本來就用書面報告啊 你就爭取的書面報告跟專案報告這樣跟委員溝通 委員同意 這個案子就好啦那你們為什麼要講得老半天咧委員講的沒有錯 就是我們...你們在菜市場聊天是不是 |
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你人家講話也稍微舉手發言一下好不好好不好不管誰做這個主席拜託各位你們誰講話沒有關係稍微舉手發言一下好才讓我們哪位發言突然一個聲音出來委員這邊也搞不清楚抱歉不是對你不禮貌但拜託你們現在人這麼多誰要舉手發言沒問題你要補充說明請舉個手那委員這邊我會自己來看來昆哲委員 |
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謝謝昭偉我們數位部的官員請注意剛才昭偉很明確的這是會議的一個基本的原則不是說你們要講話就麥克風拿起來就講都要經過徵詢過主席的同意剛才我也贊成葛如荊委員跟寧國城委員的提案就凍結500萬提書面報告好 針對於 |
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第二至三案如果各位沒有其他意見做一下處理稅出因為這可能是通案待會如果有堆疊累積的部分麻煩你們數位部自己去了解我們會幫你去了解堆疊到這邊這邊可能多少趴累積起來多少趴我們到時候你們自己要去估算那 |
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這樣的因為這邊有油化委員跟整個葛如葛如軍委員的這個部分還有廖先祥委員那這個部分我們整體凍結5%好不好整體凍結5%提書面報告10個凍結對全部33億的好接下來我們處理如果各位沒有意見我們接下來處理4至11案 |
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通難業務費下面的委辦費總共兩億八千萬餘元這個部分有提案的委員要補充林沛翔委員好再來林國成委員 |
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謝謝召委本席主要提的是第6案第8案第10案跟第11案因為這個為什麼提出這些案子而且我刪除的那個刪減加凍結的金額都不小最主要的原因是因為上一屆也就是上個主委唐鳳的時候用這個所謂的民主網路的連結本席曾經在外交部民主基金會台灣民主基金會擔過民主網路的連結似乎都是比較承襲在外交上面的事情 |
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比較不會說在數位上面用民主網路的連結本席實在百思不得其解所以對於這個民主網路的連結及創新這方面來講的話我會認為說這個運算機應該要酌情很審慎的使用因此本席做出刪減跟凍結另外一方面來講有關尾半費跟所謂數位韌性的應用 |
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老師講對於社會認訓委員會的五大主軸名利訓練及應用戰略物資盤整及維生配送能源關鍵基礎之維運社會這個包山包海的東西然後我們這邊講的時候委辦費也不清楚有說明也不清楚所以本席還是堅持我上面列三儲跟凍結的預算以上 |
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好 那待會發言順序是林國正委員李昆哲委員還有黃建華委員好 請林國正委員好 那個本席提的是第九案因為我在看這個強化通訊網路這個委辦的這個部分我認為它跟去年它跟去年也都差不多但是有一半是講不清楚講不清楚我相信連立法委員都 |
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看不清楚那這個預算就代表是有問題的所以本席是建議啊濁山本來原來是1400萬委辦的這個部分全山但是經過解釋以後補充理由以後我建議是由主席這裡建議小山如何去山由主席來做裁解以上好 接下來請李昆哲委員 |
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好 謝謝召委委辦經費總共編列預算2億8253萬元那即使立法院的交通委員會曾經多次的提案強調各單位的委辦費應該要力行尊潔減少非必要的委辦計畫 |
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相關的委辦計畫他的未來的預計成果都應該要說明清楚等一下就看數位部怎樣的說明我們再來決定刪減的金額或者是凍結預算以上好 黃天豪委員好 謝謝主席那我們這一次我共提的是6、8、10、11也是針對委辦這部分那因為這個向下就提到說其實這個 |
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名稱很大就建立全民數位任性連結民生網絡的這個向下都是在這向下裡面在刪減那這尾辦費到底立個尾辦給誰那要做什麼事情那這個經費未來要做什麼就是有什麼樣的成果我想因為在預算說明裡面都沒有講清楚那就要拿好幾億走那到底 |
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大家concern的點就是說到底為什麼要花這個錢那你這個委辦是你們部內做不到的事情嗎還是說很多業務其實是各部會要做然後全部丟給數位部這也是我覺得各部會也要把這個權責講清楚啦所以我們提這個這幾個刪減案跟凍結案就是希望這部分待會可能請數位部要講一下說你們這個委辦費的後續要怎麼處理好不好就以上謝謝 |
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好謝謝各位委員那我個人本人提的是第五案那也是一樣我們對於尾辦費是比較有反感的那當然有一些是必要的可是在尾辦費你們每年大概編了兩億七兩億八左右那這個部分我們發覺很多的民眾包括我們各位委員都覺得我們數位部在這幾年成立了我們對你們期待是很 |
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很高的但是呈現出來的一個成果我個人覺得不如預期那到底研究這麼多的計畫委辦這麼多的一個計畫那為什麼沒有帶動你們的讓民眾或者委員的一個感受這個部分我覺得這是你們要去說明要去檢討的所以我提出來是3.350萬凍結10%好請社會部說明 |
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欸部長你總要先說一下吧我們是不是會委員提案你先說一下你再找誰幫你補充好謝謝趙委員那個還有謝謝各位委員的指導那個我們這個因為牽涉到好幾個私我是不是請那個我們就個別先請任信室回答因為有些大部分是關數位任信的部分提案人你可以想 |
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幫部長補充發言蘇阿部感謝立委對我們委辦案的關切今年度我們114年度大概有15個委辦案 |
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所以那個任興建律師這邊的委辦案為例其實我們的委辦案基本上都是很實質的就是說對於那個消費者權益部分做這樣的一個檢視那例如說我們剛才那個 |
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李委員這邊有關切到的就是像說那個5G的那個NSA的量測那基本上我們就是每年度會去針對整個國家各地區那大概700定點的話777,760個點還有就是對於那個我們22個省道國營的還有我們的國道高速公三鐵就高鐵台鐵還有那捷運 |
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這些的民眾在這個通訊上面的品質的話去進行量測來把關讓我們的消費者能夠有一個參考的依據此外我們也針對民眾在無線電視的收視環境尤其是偏遠地區它不容易收視到無家電視台的無線電視訊號 |
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所以我們就透過衛星商鏈的這樣的一個計畫將無線電視台23個頻道能夠透過衛星來發射然後到偏遠地區再透過改賽站來加以能夠改善我們偏遠地區民眾所屬無線電視台的這樣的一個品質另外就是為了要促進我們智慧國家的這樣的一個基盤 |
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我們這邊的委辦的話基本上有的是電信機台廠環境中心有的是那個相關的像說中華電信公司為例他就是衛星商令的話他就透過他這個中華電信公司的衛星商令來提供所以我們的主要經費以任慶司的為例的話大概 |
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一億多的這樣的費用有七成都是屬於無線電視的改善的這樣的一個委辦以上報告請說明稍微精簡一點那針對您提案第五項的部分新增的這個委辦的部分做一個簡要的說明 |
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第一個我們新任是重更頻譜的屆期這個規劃計畫大概是針對700、900、1800這個馬上試機頻率要屆期要去做一些評估來去做後續的更迭那另外一個是數位創新關鍵技術設施的計畫呢它最主要是打造我國的公共城市呢跟跨境的數位流通平台來輔導地方政府與中央政府來推動公共城市嘛 |
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另外一個是5家無線電視的數位頻道及公司的海內的衛星上鏈它其實最主要是提供偏遠地區的民眾的收視權益另外一個是新增AI新議題的趨勢及應用調查分析計畫這是為了建立我國AI治理框架的一個重要參考強化我國整體技術發展的國際接軌 以上報告好 這個廖先生講委員 |
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好謝謝,我們事務部的同仁有大概說一下啦那其實我們一些細項好像跟我們的主標民主網絡的落差還滿大的啦把民主網絡灌上去好像什麼經費上面灌一個民主兩個字然後如果說立法院來動好像就是反民主我覺得好像有扣一個帽子在我們委員會的一個頭上 |
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有民主我們就不能動這樣子那其實在委員會有一直講我們速發部的人員其實一直都不夠的嘛那有請我們速發部來增加編組足夠的人力然後減少委辦嘛那兩個應該是相對應的我們希望增加人力的同時我們委辦費應該也要適度的來精簡啦否則如果說我們速發部什麼事情都用發包委辦辦理的話我們乾脆改名叫 |
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那我剛剛看了一下各個單項委員的三檢動議啦如果在同樣的像是不重複 |
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加的話各項以最大額來加的話大概加起來大概是大概是一個一億的一個數額啦那我就建議建議主席就是委辦費這個大項就統三統三一億然後再由他們自己去調節這樣子以上好謝謝院長委員好那我想這個 |
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差不多了差不多了那個針對這個通案的業務費委辦費的部分那我剛剛看了一下這個因為我們還是基於委員提案為一個基礎啦以基礎來處理那這個整體來講2億8253萬餘元這個部分那有提案刪除的委員呢從我的350萬1000萬 |
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那林沛翔委員這邊的提案其實是總三八千萬因為你是向下累積的分在各個向下那是八千還是一千 我講這樣好不好那我們針對於這個是同案業務違反費三減兩千萬凍結百分之十提書面報告使得動之 |
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各位委員有沒有不同意見八千號來 昆哲委員謝謝召委 剛才數位部有初步的一個說明當然我們委員會在過去也都一直要求相關的委辦計畫應該要例行尊嚴除非啊 能夠清楚的說明相關計畫的必要性以及未來預期的相關的效果 |
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那數位部比較不一樣的一個地方就是說其實因為數位部成立不久很多都是各部會相關來支援成立的一個部會 |
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所以在相關數位產業的部分這些公務員他們對他們自己的公務行政是很熟悉但是對數位產業的發展還是有他先天能力上的一些限制所以委辦的計畫因為數位是非常專業的我們說白了 產業是很專業的所以他們委辦的計畫會比較多一點 |
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這個我們倒也是有限度的可以接受一定的這種經費的編列所以我具體建議是刪除1000萬凍結10%順便報告或解凍以上 |
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好黃天豪委員好謝謝張委員那剛剛提到說上一輪提問的時候我就問說那到底今天數位部的這個預算項目下的民主網絡的連結跟民主韌性這個關聯是什麼剛剛說明沒有提到就這個項目 |
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編的那你的標題是這個但是內容好像跟這都沒有關係你們剛剛的說明裡面也跟這件事情沒有關係所以我覺得這是第一件第二件事情是這整個委辦費編了兩億八千多萬那我所以覺得過去的執行率也不是很高那我覺得具體建議就刪零頭啦留兩億給你們那八千萬是要刪掉以上 |
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好謝謝建行委員來我請介次長來再補充說明一下跟各位報告第一個當然我們邊在民主網路的創新發展大概基本的概念就是說我們要維持我們的社會的這個他必須要最基本最基本的這個通訊以及這個網路的連結要有所以大概有兩個重點是這個向下的第一個是通訊網路的維持那這部分 |
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這個非常專業 原因是說他有很多技術的他不是一般的公務機關所以我們大部分都就像市長剛剛報告的是中華電信或者是電信技術中心那另外一個是前瞻性的規劃包括未來的評估怎麼重整包括未來的AI怎麼樣運用到通訊網路上面那這個其實是非常專業性學術性的 |
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我們的確需要委辦的費用來支持也正如剛才這個林俊憲委員提的很多產業的發展其實我們要追上不是光靠公務機關同仁就可以做的所以跟各位委員這個懇請就是委辦費我們實在是需要那但是我們也理解各位委員對我們的鞭策那是不是可以按照林俊憲委員的這個提示我們就這個鞭策我們就我們就三減一千萬那這個凍結百分之十然後提書面報告後凍職 |
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林培祥委員主席老實講我還是對這答案一點都不滿意我建議保留好 |
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謝謝那我們接下來就是針對這個部分來處理啦那其實我的問題跟蠻多委員擔心的一樣當然第一個是實務上你們在2.就是現在要2億8的委判費可是在看今年為止現在已經是已經跨年了已經14年了所以你在113年預算到目前為止的執行率大概才58% |
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58%那我不知道啦這個月在請款有沒有請到60 70我不清楚啦多少啦到目前為止多少來你講一下講個%數我們禮拜二的時候才整個統整我們現在已經到98%了已經到98%了那為什麼給我們58%因為這個經費是34個機關在執行的那你上次給我們給我們58%是什麼意思 |
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就是說事實上你10天以內或20天就可以執行到40%也就不簡單了好好沒關係沒關係到98%那是好事那第二個是你們要增加的委辦費其中有一個 |
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叫AI現在很多東西掛了AI我們都先除掉看後面的字叫做新興議題趨勢及應用調查分析部長現在新興議題是什麼怎麼樣報告趙偉比如說用AI怎麼用AI打炸怎麼用AI來增加我們的一些政府的效率像這些議題你打炸費用很多確定是這一條嗎新興議題是開放性的 |
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譬如說你把新議題丟什麼進去譬如說採購法譬如說採劃法民眾的反應然後分析之後給我們坦白講我們是蠻困擾這些的整個政府的機器你要丟什麼議題而今天可能羅志強三個是丟進去變成一個新興的議題然後要怎麼樣去分析我覺得這個東西太過抽象而且有點讓人害怕 |
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那這樣好不好 針對這個我來處理一下啦 就是三減兩千萬好不好 三減兩千萬好 太少齁 那我們就保留院會送協商好不好 我們就保留院會送協商好 接下來處理第十二到第十五案 也是通案 |
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業務費 一般事務費那我們提案委員有沒有要補充說明的好 林培長委員謝謝主席基本上來講我會認為說這575萬這個預算來講的話如果說以去年的功效來講 |
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這個老實講在表現的平台上面其實成效很有限像說YT的訂閱數只有3500人不到那那個臉書的平均貼文互動數只有雙位數Instagram追蹤數可能比我們現在每個委員這邊的話還要少所以說我會認為這一般事務費上面基於尊潔政府預算以利開遊節援我會在這邊3.340萬以上 |
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好 那還沒有委員要補充發言好 沒有發言 來 請你們說明一下因為我的書面寫得很清楚 你們一定說明吧好 數位政府司 來 |
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謝謝委員 我們針對第12題的部分就是有一般事務費從600萬增加到增加了400多萬的這個部分那其實這裡面大部分都是因為我們之前的預算編列是由案件記酬然後現在因為那個預算科目我們覺得編到一般事務費比較合理 所以我們把它移過來那其實並沒有做大幅增加 其實整個 |
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我們這一塊經費從9122還降到了7547所以其實是並沒有增加很多的以上好 林國誠委員現在是12案到15案我沒有提案 抱歉我看錯 |
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好 針對這個第十二案到第十五案通案我們這個通案的一般數倍向下是六千四百五十八萬那我們看到各委員的一個提案那我們就有三減一千八百萬跟到兩百萬 三百四十萬 五十萬我們就三減五百萬 |
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三減五百萬 凍結10%然後提書面報告使得動之各位委員有沒有其他意見折衷一下 五百差不多我們把所有提案委員的稍微balance一下沒有意見我們接下來往下處理 |
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客戶自行調整啦 好不好 |
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接下來處理16到31案一樣是通案我再提醒一下通案因為等於第幾目還沒開始審現在是通案所以待會再審到各目的時候可能還會有凍結會刪這是累加性的你們自己的財主單位你們自己去計算我不會幫你計算的第16到第31案通案業務費國外旅費這個部分提案委員蠻多的有沒有要補充說明的 |
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好 林國成委員 林沛翔委員 羅志強委員 翁曉琳委員好 秋龍華委員第17案 我主張是刪1500萬但是經由溝通 為什麼要刪1500萬主要是這裡面出國有些寫得非常明確 |
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幾例他到德國的這個漢諾威工業啊等等這些很清楚的那當然我們一定會支持那有一部分是寫的不清楚所以在這裡我還是建議不一定一定要刪到1500萬但是適度的刪是有必要的這是以上建議主席好 林沛翔委員 |
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對不起喔還是我以前在民主基金會在民主基金會看民主這兩個字就覺得說真的貓膩很多要民主是網路然後說你去漢諾威我剛才問漢諾威幹嘛去看電腦展然後我會覺得說這個錢是不是這樣亂花國外旅費尤其是民主網路的連結那乾脆把這2000多萬全部分給民主基金會就好了嘛民主基金會的預算談不到3億耶那我們這邊動不動就2000多萬就不見了 |
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那老實講民主基金還要補助其他的地方那跟從這個速發部的經費直接轉到外交部民主基金會去那還比較實在一點所以我覺得民主網路如果你們只去看這個所謂的電腦展那其實有很多其他的科目你們應該要編而不是編在這個民主網路說什麼什麼通傳通傳網路任性這點我覺得我覺得這個編列預算太腐爛了以上好接下來羅志強委員 |
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我覺得速發部過去有一個民間大家非常熟悉的別名叫做出國發展部 |
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那為了找出國的理由真的是都非常有創意連民主網路都編出來了你今天數位發展部到底跟民主網路什麼關係啊你數位發展部就是專注於今天數位發展的本務那什麼灌到民主以後就變成堂而皇之的正當性了嗎但是我今天講最根本的問題國人對於速發部所期待的打詐的業務速發部你教出了多少成績 |
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你不專注於本業一天到晚搞一些所謂唐鳳式的那種 |
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虛晃然後呢這個奢華式的這種所謂的做法那說真的我們今天為了來幫助人民來去監督人民納稅錢同時也勉勵今天速發部一起唐鳳門封啦不要再繼續用唐鳳這種所謂出國發展部的精神來去揮霍政府預算所以在這邊我們覺得應該要督促速發部 |
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少浪費力氣在一些非本務的事務上多集中心力好好的把抒發部的本務本業以及人民最期待的打詐工作把它做好所以在這部分的話我是提案我們抒發部在114年出國預算就高達2220萬 |
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那在34個中央機關其實排名第5名出國計畫高達20項超越外交部的15項所以因此才博得了出國發展部的美名所以在這個地方幫你把這個美名摘下來所以我的提案是减列1000萬元 凍結80%謝謝 |
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好 接下來請翁小玲委員發言陳若光 羅志祥委員說得很好數位發展部已經不是重點在發展數位技術而是以出國文明 |
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那麼本席在看到這次速發部所列舉的相關的國際會議的計畫裡面發現有些部分計畫是根本不需要速發部去參加的譬如講說這個涉及到數位經貿議題 |
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台美安全對話會議等等這些出國考察這個部分其實經濟部或是其他的單位就可以去參加了台美安全對話會議這可能也是國安會或是外交部等等他們去談就可以了那麼書發部不曉得為什麼還要出席類似這樣的會議此外涉及到像網路民主 |
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好 接下來請邱鶴華委員 |
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謝謝主席 本席提的是第16案 一樣針對國外旅費速發部112年的旅費是1408萬113年的時候編了3133萬那114年的時候編了2220萬雖然跟去年比起來少了913萬 可是依舊高達2220萬還有速發部跟資產署編列的方式是一樣的 |
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十九項出國的會議其中有十項的地點都只有敘述歐洲北美亞太地區超過百分之五十那本席是認為如果出國的計畫都只是這樣敘述的話那我們要怎麼把預算編給你們來執行所以本席這邊有提案檢列五百萬以上說明好謝謝委員好許智傑委員 |
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謝謝主席其實書發部當然現在網路很興盛用視訊也很方便但是很多事情本來還是要碰面談嘛 |
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你說那個出國的經費事實上拙減我是可以或是拙動我是可以同意的但是那個數量其實還是要少一點因為有一些的確是跟世界各國的一些串聯還是要見面談才會比較有效果所以我是建議說還是要多保留一點謝謝好 陳樹葉早委 |
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好謝謝主席那就是抒發部是新成立的一個這個單位那當然就是在成立之初這個在出國旅費的編列上確實是有被外界來詬病那就我所知就是說在明年度在這個國外旅費的部分我們黃部長也有做一個 |
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盤整之後做一些簡略了那是不是這個部分請黃部長等一下要做一個說明讓各位委員了解那當然就是說針對明年度的這些出國計畫他的一個必要性你要做一個充分的一個說明那另外許多委員對這個民主網絡之連結與創新這個名詞有很大的意見那本席是認為說這個應該就是在這個部門成立之初的一個預算科目 |
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預算科目的就是這樣子的一個定調了那如果說大家對這個名詞覺得太廣泛有意見我是不曉得說之後在會計部門這個科目是不是可以再做一個適當的修正做一個更具體的讓大家可以知道對對所以是不是應該要把這個科目做一個修正這是我一個建議謝謝 |
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好謝謝陳時委召委還有林俊憲委員還有單位李昆哲委員好謝謝主席 |
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各位同仁可見大家對蘇發布出國這個都很有意見蘇發布的出國預算在過去幾年像去年今年今年原本編了3700萬在委員會也被刪除600萬變成3133萬那你明年這新部長 |
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他又提了2220萬其實已經又比今年再減少30%了啦我認為就塑化部他的出國預算啦 |
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在委員會這邊每次都受到委員很強烈的批判所以他的預算其實已經就明年來講也比今年有自己自己砍掉38了但是你今年的執行坦白講也不是很好你今年大概也有好幾張計畫不知道有沒有執行不知道今年的執行可以達到多少那待會也請部長那個說明一下 |
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尤其你就明年的出國預算的相關部分更是應該要事先有對委員讓委員有所了解才對所以我們待會也請部長就你未來重點出國的諮詢幾項計畫也讓委員會了解一下好以上謝謝好李坤哲委員謝謝召委數位部我認為最認真的人是他們的國會聯絡人 |
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但是你們其他的針對預算的溝通啊能力啊以及啊勤奮的程度啊真的是要多多的檢討部長也很認真啊部長你一上任啊你這個出國的預算就已經減少了20%主動自己就減少20%少了900多萬啊 |
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這個針對出國的數位部已經有自己自行的一個初步的檢討第二說明也不夠清楚你們現在還有民主網絡師嗎你們現在不是叫數位國際師了嗎你們有跟委員來做說明嗎現在還一直在 |
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在這個名稱上面大家一直在罵民主網絡什麼之連結你們現在已經叫蘇衛國際師了所扮演的角色跟內涵跟原則應該要更清楚的跟委員來做說明嘛我跟各位委員說明那現在他們已經自行減列了900多萬就是減少了20%但是我們現在他們有2220萬 |
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那其實應該給部長以及相關的官員清楚的說明相關預算編列的必要性以及詳細的內容情形因為我們相關的說明這也是我們預算書編列的一個問題這個預算說明的 |
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各位空間沒有那麼大沒有辦法一一的把相關的計畫都清楚的說明但是官員在委員質詢的時候針對預算的內容提出問題的時候就必須要清楚的說明尤其是相關的部長以下的這些負責的這些局處首長應該都有能力來做說明如果沒有能力你們還為什麼可以坐在這個職位上以上好我們先請社會部說明 |
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謝謝趙委員 各位委員的確像剛剛委員提到就是我上任之後第一件事就檢討我們的出國預算那時候我也要求各司數把他出國未來的計畫報給我知道然後經過討論之後我自己刪掉30%在今年出國 |
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這個保留的預算其實有一些蠻重要是因為我們很多很多的會議第一個必須要因為牽涉到基民比如說資安的演練資安的親自的討論牽涉到這檔問題或者是一些數位經濟的發展需要需要這個他們的主辦單位並不接受視訊所以我們只好現場參加 |
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那另外就是說有很多時候這是一種外交因為如果對方邀請是一個部長級或次長級的一個討論的話我們也只好派出部長或次長去參加所以有幾個會議是由次長或是由我自己參加的一個FOC是一個部長級的會議包括跟美國國務卿的一個這樣的一個研討會所以這種會議有的時候是因為國際外交的關係 |
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用數位的理由來去參加國際的這樣外交的會議現在有很多這樣的活動所以我們會需要保留一些經費對第一個是當然在在剛剛講AI數位經濟或者是治安韌性上面的一些交流另外就是說在我們的數位外交現在我們部裡面扮演一個很重要的角色 |
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至於出國民主網絡這個名字我們可以拿掉科目可以改因為這個確實我上任之後也決定把這個名字以前叫民主網絡現在叫數位國際視他就是負責跟國際我們就是以他實際工作就是叫做數位國際視我這個有在行政院經過申請這是我大概二個小時的名字是不是再請國際視做簡單的補充 |
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有一個剛委員的提案在出國預算的兵力部分的確剛委員有提到說目前的科技發展其實非常先進所以在數位發展部如果說對方的國際會議他是可以線上參與的部分 |
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我們基本上就是線上參與比如像WTO的一些工作會議我們都是線上出席可是有些部分的會議的話必須就是會議主辦對方的一個 |
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安排有些部分是沒有辦法說用線上會議那比如說像是亞太是我們那個亞太經濟合作組織還有包含說自由線上聯盟FOC還有我們非常重要的ICANN就是網際網路名稱子域這些東西都必須這些會議都必須是線上出席所以我們才編列 |
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那另外剛剛各位委員也有提到說那數位經濟跟數位發展部有什麼關係那這邊跟委員各位報告因為在疫情的發展過程中各個國家都知道發現數位發展是對整個經濟方式非常重要的所以各國也積極在推動數位經濟相關的談判那跟委員報告包含說我們現在跟英國在談的這已經公告了英國的ETP這個協議已經是談到一個初步了 |
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那後續另外還有一個包含台美21世紀裡面也有數位相關議題在裡面那當然其他還有非常多是其他部會主戰希望我們能夠去談的數位經濟相關議題那第三個部分呢就是因為有些的業務呢它是比較機敏的像我們在談的剛剛部長所說的 |
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資安合作相關的議題那因為這些東西在還沒有真正談成之前其實我們沒有辦法說對外去做宣告所以有些預算的部分我們就會比較就是編法會比較說沒有去很直接的指明說我要跟哪一個國家去談以上說明 |
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好的那我先請教一下這個簡單的問題我們剛剛已經我們上禮拜已經處理過的資安署資安署你的署內的預算編國外旅費多少錢因為你們是堆疊的你現在講半天我們資安要怎麼樣出國要出國但他已經編了你目前已經通過是多少錢這個不用猜吧你的資安署資安署目前我們上禮拜通過的是你出國國外旅費是多少錢 |
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我們是700萬但是761萬但是我們 |
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你們總共是多少七百六十一萬六千塊然後刪掉五百五百萬刪掉五百萬剩兩百多萬嗎是這樣嗎不要亂講啦好好好你去想一下好好想一下那個產業署產業署產業署來你出國預算我知道也有三 |
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因為你們編的比較混你們目前剩下多少來講一下我們編324萬那被委員會刪除100萬所以我們變224萬OKOK好那那個其實齁這個我們包括兩個數算出來多少對剩下多少啦 |
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剩下600多嘛就是這是一個背景啦就是說剛剛談到治安啊產業署這個很多的業務都要出國開會我們理解但事實上我們在審過兩個署的預算的時候都有留一下留一些出國的費用不是沒留啦那這樣好不好我們是不是先嘗試的處理一下好不好嘗試的處理一下三八七六二五十九年東捷四趴天安路明澤 |
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我剛剛聽完我們出國發展部的補充說明之後我突然有點後悔啦我要道歉一下我覺得簡列的還不夠多我支持林國成委員的簡列案或者是汪小英委員的簡列案 |
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結果搞了半天我們在那邊都是瞎忙什麼啊你跟我講民主網路現在又說民主網路不重要了那你全部憋以民主網路來去搞你的這個出國的這個所謂的正當性到底存在在哪裡你賣的是羊頭還是狗肉都沒搞清楚的時候你叫我們這邊怎麼去幫你去來去審你的出國的預算啊因為你的方向都搞錯了嘛就我們講的就是莫名其妙的一個單位 |
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你速發部 我要先講完啦我要先跟大家講為什麼今天我們的速發部會變成出國發展部 |
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因為在過去唐鳳的時候 到底不能完全怪你們嚴習唐鳳之風 我覺得是大大不可啦所以在這邊 我覺得我就支持我們林國成委員的提案減電一千萬還太少你今天好好的把你的所謂的那個抒發物本業做好的話來年我們看到你的業績之後的話再去斟酌是什麼樣是必要的所謂的出國的費用 |
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就像剛剛主席也講了啊有些包括資安署或其他的各個底下的各個所謂的部門事實上出國預算仍然是在我待會還要講一個連資安維護費都搞了一堆所謂出國交流的一些項目在裡面你們真的就是出國發展部不喊你們真的有點對不起我們全國老百姓謝謝 |
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蘇發部跟去年2024比起來已經有自己有大概砍30%但是提供另外一個思考 |
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去年伏編的是比較嚴重所以是會嘩然那如果說以112年度其實速發部的出口預算的決算數才1342萬9千元那我可以給這個數字也給主席參考一下因為這個數字其實跟2025年編列的預算的落差也是蠻大的給主席參考 |
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好 林俊憲委員好 謝謝主席剛剛部長那個說明部長你要講清楚因為我剛剛聽羅志強委員質疑那個民主網路你的剛剛說的意思是你現在改名為數位國際對啦所以不是你 |
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就說你編這個預算的時候單位名稱還是舊的名稱啦那名稱還沒改他說叫做什麼民主網路網路師嘛那你現在這個你現在這個名稱已經改為數位國際師的意思啦你剛剛講的是這樣嘛所以不是什麼民主網路什麼重不重要其次那只要就是你名稱那你名稱這個部分應該讓我們搞清楚啦再來第二個齁 |
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國際在蘇華部最主張刪預算的北京也是啦今年為什麼刪了六百萬那時候就是在委員會我們要處理掉但坦白講這個黃部長你算多少錢啦你自己送到編名的預算送到委員會來以前你自己又刪了九百萬對不對其實你就部長如果要 |
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他可以照今年的預算送進來啊然後讓你砍啊他已經自己先砍了30%這點我們在審預算的時候大家考量進來啦也就是說他已經把自己的出國預算自己先減內900萬或者如果他預期會被刪他就灌水進來就好了 是不是這樣這普天也算是比較務實啦 |
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那另外更早以前幾年度是因為那時候有疫情本來那時候出國預算都很少所以我是覺得如果以他自己就已經減劣了900萬這點我們應該在預算審查的時候也要納入考量 |
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那今年度的預算在去年省的時候我跟林俊憲委員事實上是對於對於數位發展部的出國預算這麼多早就有意見了那所以去年在省今年度的預算的時候我們是要求要刪減 |
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那刪減了之後呢今年看到明年度的預算第一個我覺得數位發展部沒有說明清楚是第一個應該在審預算之前要拜會各個委員要讓各個委員知道說你在這個出國預算因為去年已經備受質疑今年你有自治之民你已經非常的 |
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橫頻的而且呢很扎實的去盤點過哪些是必要的出國計畫跟預算所以呢不必要的你已經自砍了900萬第一個這個你沒有說明清楚所以大家會誤解也不知道第二個 |
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好 你自己刪減了900萬之後呢現在看起來又編了這2000多萬出來預計在明年度使用你也沒有到各個委員會包括我的辦公室你也沒有來跟大家說明清楚你編在明年度這2000多萬哪些是你盤點過後是必須要去的國際會議 |
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所以才會有這些旅費 國外旅費那這個每一項計畫 每一個出國的項目每一個預算的一個細目我覺得這個都是可以公開透明攤給大家看而且必須讓國人知道 |
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那這樣子大家才能夠支持你的預算那這兩點你都沒有說明清楚難怪現場現在所有的委員有質疑那包括我也有質疑啊你剛剛請你們的這個你說已經改名叫什麼民主以前叫民 |
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以前叫什麼忘記啦 現在叫數位國際司啦那數位國際司呢 這個承辦單位你司長剛剛在說明的時候你也沒有說明清楚說明年編了這兩千多萬到底哪幾個部分是屬於我的那我明年要打算去哪幾個會議所以我需要哪些錢 |
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說不清楚啦 你說不清楚人家要你支持就很困難了包括剛剛很多人都有提出要刪減的數額嘛你其實誠實拜託公開透明一一攤開告訴大家你明年度到底有哪幾項國際會議是必須要出國的必須要到場的而且是重要的 |
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是讓台灣可以跟國際連結也參與在不管是資訊的互相交換或者是資安的系統互相的國際連結建置等等這必要的重要性的那你就要講清楚啦好不好不然我也會支持其他委員說拙簡喔好不好謝謝 |
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好我想這個今天雖然這個預算數2220萬餘元但是我們所有的委員感覺200億的已經很激烈討論了快大半圈我覺得第一個啦說真的你們 |
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這個數位部其實你們業務很抽象因為很高端嘛那我們可以理解可是你們事實上包括師長署長能不跟立委來派會能不來解釋能閃能躲我坦白講就交通部跟你們數位部來講我跟你們是真的不熟悉我不知道有沒有委員跟他們很熟的啦真的不熟悉啦所以也不知道不知道說真的啦對很多是沒有信心的原因是說 |
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你們盡量不跟委員去談 審視所以事情在這邊肯定會比較複雜一點嘛那這個部分是不是 這樣好不好再統一 再說明一次我們來處理好不好 來你們還要再補充說明嗎 |
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還是剛都說過不要重複喔這樣喔你們說明一下你們已經改了詩可是你們的預算預算根本沒有改是一樣民主網路連結為什麼裡面內容不是什麼數位國際連結呢還是說改假的怎麼回事還是明年會改 |
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之前的預算書是比較早期就已經送進來數位國際市的市名是在今年的11月發布改過來的所以會有時間的落差 |
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那第二個就是剛剛委員有詢問說那數位國際的業務有哪些會議是必須要去出席的那剛剛有跟委員包含說像我們自己主政主政的IPAD還有經貿相關的會議還有包含FOC相關還有包含我們ICAN這些都是 |
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整個數位發展領域裡面大家非常關鍵而是必須要實體去參與的會議那所以這些會議也就是當初在籌編的時候部長重新再審視過一些不需要的我們就全刪了那目前所留下的部分都必須為了整個數位發展而必須出席的會議還請各位委員支持 |
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好 那準備處理了啊 那個林國仁有什麼建議那個黃部長你是老實人啊這個民主兩制啊歷史淹人啊 你們就要檢討這個是蘇貞昌院長的時候民主 你們是用這種東西來闖關欸 以前是 |
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一黨獨大的時候是可以這樣好不好你們難道連這個你拿來貼一貼那主計人員認為名字可以改項目不能改名字可以改你就拿來貼一貼這個問題不是解決了嗎 |
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你們還送來什麼民主 你難怪人家說實在的 難怪人家有意見什麼叫做民主 跟整個資訊有關所以你們就很喜歡這樣不要再越說越多所以我在看我是同行部長的這部長根本都不知道你們這些幕僚就很喜歡在那邊拐彎抹角 |
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對不對剛剛給你們凍結五百萬你們還在那邊囉哩巴嗦所以什麼叫做民主啊你們都解釋不清楚所以我還是建議真的我還是建議要改你們就盡快改不要假民主啊去做這些預算的闖關這一點說實在的我是看不過去啊我是人家刪一條對你們都很通融的但是我還是要建議部長啊 |
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很有經驗啦 這遺傳喔 你要好好去研究一下這些人喔 過去遺傳都胡編得很厲害你如果要整理 你就整理一下我相信 數位部不是今年就結束啦明年還是會有明年再把民主送出來 我也主張全部都刪 |
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真的來 林沛翔委員主席我們討論這麼久本席建議我們直接刪減800萬元凍結20%以上 |
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好那我們針對於這個第16第31案到31案通案業務費國外旅費這樣好不好因為我們看到裡面3減從500萬到2000萬都有啦那我們是不是就3減800萬凍結20%提供去年的就13年的一個具體的一個成果跟明年的計畫使得凍資 |
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來 各位等一下 我問委員好不好各位委員有沒有三太嫂是不是陳總理 |
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我是覺得說我們還是持平來檢討啦因為我覺得說你跟他刪了800萬可能對他們的一些業務執行上可能會有一些比較摯愛難行我是今天說是不是我們就小刪200萬然後因為已經刪了30%了因為他們已經自刪30%了 |
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我想對阿黃部長已經很務實了啦因為依然說教育股你的數字送進來當然讓你刪八百萬是是綽綽有餘啦我是覺得說我們就小刪兩百萬然後讓他們明年度的一個表現啦那因為我們應該下次還是會會再來有機會再審到啦做一個持平的建議 謝謝來 羅志強委員 |
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我們針對於我覺得主席已經很客氣了啦我覺得三八百萬很客氣了如果說這個主席這個八百萬的客氣仍然不能夠讓這個書發部覺得可以接受的話那就保留我覺得政黨協商你就看會刪多少所以在這邊我是支持主席說三八百萬我覺得已經是很合理了那不然就保留嘛對 謝謝 |
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你還有什麼補充說明嗎這一條可以處理啦我剛剛特別強調我們已經自己刪了九百萬去年是刪六百萬那我們今年自己先刪九百萬所以說如果九百萬再加八百萬就變成一千七百萬 |
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那這樣好不好 折衷一下因為我們二輪 其他委員會可能還有要提 那是他們的後面再提那我們這部分能處理的 我們還是處理一下那針對於這個國外旅費 那我們這邊就3減500萬 凍結20% |
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科目自行調整使用 |
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各位待會這樣發言的我們就稍微針對重點感覺有點舉步維艱走不太動的感覺接下來審查32到41案有10位委員提案林備長委員 |
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謝謝主席本席提議的案子是在這邊提議比較多一點不過是針對我想針對第37案跟第40案來去做進一步的說明基本上來講講補助金真的過高我們這邊補助到五億六千萬在民主網路跟創新上面 |
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然後另外一方面在強化AI網路主動性防禦到8600萬甚至我們這邊看從38案開始37 38 39基本上都是相對很驚人的數字而且全部都是講補助費本席認為這是過於腐爛所以說本席認為應該做出一定程度的刪減以上 |
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好 接下來發言順序 林靜倩委員 李昆澤委員 黃建華委員 請林靜倩委員是喔 謝謝主席我也延續剛剛林佩祥委員的意見就是你編那麼多的一些預算 而且一些獎補助費但是我看一下你那個捐助計畫裡面並沒有相關杜絕詐騙犯罪問題的研究 |
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我覺得這個應該是目前民怨最深的部分啦我認為重點應該是在這個地方啦那為什麼這個地方的問題研究請問是沒有納入還是你在別的地方啦大學請你說明一下因為國能關心的是到底能不能有效的處理打炸的問題北京也有體檢類啦我是體檢類5000萬凍結10%啦那再請你送報告謝謝好 李坤哲委員旅遊推廣管理 |
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謝謝昭偉這個捐助的經費總共編列的預算是13億元那用途是為捐助團體辦理第三代互聯網分散式數位驗證推動架構還有無線電頻率合併相關干擾評估計畫也包含強化我國網路網際網路技術社群參與及觀測稀缺資源發展計畫等等 |
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那捐助的對象也包含財政法人電信技術中心財政法人臺灣網路資訊中心等等那這個部分 數位部有來跟我做說明我是可以同意改動預算五千萬一個月內提說明報告 |
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第三十四案是補助經費預算是六千零九十二萬這個部分社會部也來做說明就是說過去黑客松實際成果的應用包括建置全民參與街道改善平台導入建立高齡長輩為中心的照顧模式等等 |
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那其實我看他們也有補助地方政府的部分那也協助地方政府協動數位轉型那我原本是提案凍結預算500萬數位部來說明之後可不予凍結以上 |
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好接下來是黃建華委員再來葛如今委員好謝謝昭偉那我想這個獎補助費的部分我想大家對於補助地方政府大家是比較沒有意見但是我們看到各項的獎補助費光是我提的我們共提了37跟38這兩項就高達了這個8億左右8億8 9億那連包含說這個 |
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建置雲端核網提升行動通信網路認証計畫那還有這個39的晶片驅動產業創新再升級這個補助費裡面就 |
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大家想知道說到底數位部你的政策的目標是什麼那你提的這個計畫裡面這是你你的本職學能就是你們本來部門的業務呢還是說這必須要交給別人來處理那還有像這個這個晶片驅動產業創新再升級這部分這是你們的業務還是經濟部的業務就跟C之前講過就是數位部業務好像包山包海什麼都丟在你這邊來然後什麼都用這種繳補助費包在包在裡面那我要講其實前面包含委辦費已經也也都給也給你們了那結果你們現在又 |
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放了這麼多的獎補助的東西那這個獎補助費你們要補助哪些團體哪些公司或哪些這個計畫那達到什麼成效過去做得好不好那另外剛剛小偉也提到說我們提了這麼多案的凍結或刪減也是因為說大家最關注的是說你們對這個詐騙集團的技術要怎麼樣去克制要怎麼樣去控制但在這些獎補助費裡面你花好幾億在做這個事情但好像還是沒有成效因為大家最 |
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回到核心問題啦大家對數位部最核心的目的還是希望你們能夠在網路詐騙這一塊在數位詐騙上面能夠有一些成效但是如果這個計畫真的給你們都做下去了那能夠達成嗎還是不行還是這個錢是要做別的事情好這是我覺得大家提了這麼多凍結啊或提了這麼多刪減最主要原因所以在刪減的部分我覺得我們還是蠻堅持希望說這個數位部能夠尊嚴然後把這個項目說明清楚以上 |
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好 各位謝謝昭偉那這邊我echo一下第37案這個Mocon的這個技術做多網路的連結其實我在質詢的時候就有提過現在全世界都在做近地軌道衛星但是我們為什麼我們的多網路的連結的預算竟然比近地軌道衛星的計畫的預算還高 |
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那遇到這種極端的狀態或者是極端的事件的時候靜地軌道衛星的安全性跟韌性應該更強啊那為什麼我們的韌性計畫竟然是擴張上個世代或既有世代的東西而不是做下一個世代或者是各國都已經在增列的靜地軌道衛星的計畫呢這個是也希望了解的那這裡面呢講做預算的費用甚至高達5億所以這個應該要說明一下那第40案呢 |
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這個AI網路主動式防禦的關鍵技術研究計畫我想提出這樣的計畫我覺得還是予以肯定因為在HICOM還有一些這個資安的會議上都有看到部長都有親自出席還有很多的官員也親自出席那人工智慧運用在這個資安的防禦或者這個主動式或被動式的這個策略上其實各國已經有 |
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在這塊已經開始做了那我們在民間或者在政府相關的這個部會單位裡面也有接觸但是呢這個計劃書我們有跟相關單位要來仔細研讀了以後我們也認為 |
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有不够清楚的地方首先是在于KPI或者是目标目的的设定到底侦测的准确率要达几%供给回应的时间应该要缩短到多少的时间等等的具体目标我们是没有看到的 |
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甚至裡面還是有購買一些硬體比如說NVIDIA的這些H100等等的這些顯示的這個運算但是這個運算呢就我們的理解政府應該中央要有一個整體的編列而不是這裡買一組那裡買一組到時候大家實際上的算力反而是更分化的這個這樣的做法是不是有經過更細緻的評估跟需求這個要了解一下 |
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另外呢我們做這個AI網路的資安的這個技術不管你是sentence bird或者是graph neural network到底你這個用的是主要哪一個技術成熟度如何有沒有最小可行性的驗證已經在執行了或者國際上的成功的案例有沒有佐證我們在這個計劃書可能也還沒看到 |
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另外在人力配置的部分還有我們剛剛提到這個獎補助的部分到底有沒有第三方來協助進行評估驗證這個也是我們非常關注的因為資安跟數位本身它是黑盒子 |
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或者說它這是程式碼也好啦或者看不到摸不到的東西也好我們認為在這裡面的研發跟預算都應該要跟外界的單位不管是開放透明的組織也好或者是這些像G0V或者一些資安的協會等等我們應該要跟外界有更透明的這個連結藉由第三方的這個協作我們才能夠確保這樣子的一個人力或者獎注的分配是合理的 |
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否則的話我們是政府內部自己來評估自己來分配我們怎麼能夠確定會不會到時候重南輕北重北輕南或者是有可能怎麼樣的一個不平均的劃分這個也希望能夠予以說明否則的話我想這樣子數位我們都強調這個transparency強調這個open但如果我們在預算上面我們沒有看到這樣的transparency跟openness我想這樣的一個預算可能我們也是會有非常多的意見謝謝 |
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好 謝謝各位委員 來我們順序說明好 謝謝那個趙委員還有各位委員的指導那個我簡單的說一下我們這個講補助費主要是我們下面有三個重要的這個法人那一個就是TTC 一個是TITANRONIC然後這個就是治安院那有一些剛剛講的問題的研發都是在這三個單位要幫忙執行 |
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那這個強補助會主要是讓這三個法人能夠去幫整個樹花部甚至幫整個政府在做這方面的不管是政策推薦或技術的研發那我是不是細節 因為這裡面牽涉到好幾個單位我請任信司跟訴證司還有資源司這邊來做扼要的說明 |
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7256.217 |
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任信司就我們立委關切的這個補助案來看的話基本上跟委員報告就是在我們大概以任信司這邊來講的話我們著重在陸海空的通訊任信的這樣的一個建制那主要的這個計畫裡面有10個補助案基本上都像剛才我們 |
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部長所講的也是李昆哲委員所提示的就是我們補助我們轄下的財端法輪來強化在這個通訊任性方面的一個能量那這一個葛委員有關切到說我們這個這個MOKEN這個網絡行動這個5GC的這一塊那跟委員報告就是基本上確實當前的未來的這個趨勢有望在低軌衛星但低軌衛星基本上它還是 |
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7310.851 |
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還是目前還是只有少數的業者提供那我們會有這樣一個雲端5G基本上它就是一個應用極端企業下能夠提供給我們的政經級的機關能夠有強化它的一個通信韌性那歐企這個雲端會是將來有可能在極端的情況下有可能會把這個5G的這個行動網路能夠透過海外的這樣的一個雲端的核心系統來支持我們國內的行動通信 |
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那所以即使這兩個是扣在一起也就是說它也是有應用到低軌衛星也有用到雲端的這個5G的網路的通訊來強化我們的整個國家的通訊韌性以上先就這樣補充報告那這中間就是會用會補充比較多的這一塊就是因為明年要著重在屍體的這樣的建置 以上報告 |
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7358.91 |
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我記得沒有錯 上禮拜在審資安署的時候資安署已經有一筆很大的補助款已經給資安院了為什麼這邊重複編列為什麼這邊重複編列 記得嗎我記得那一次的時候有一個桌面還寫資安院院長跑過來解釋說你們到底做什麼業務的後來資安署那天我們就把資安署那筆經費補助款給過了那這邊為什麼剛剛是部長講的說要重新再補助資安院 為什麼要這樣做 |
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7364.636 |
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7377.494 |
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這會不會重複編列是同一個科目嗎是同一筆預算嗎好這個部分補助資安院的獎補助有多少錢沒有不理這一塊補助給資安院進行AI主動式防疫那個是8600萬 |
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7380.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
7400.878 |
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8600萬對跟資安署那個補助他的一些那個是兩個是不同這是一個科技計畫四年期的今年是第一年這樣好那我們資安院麻煩你說明一下就是整體的從產業署資安署到數位部三個單位你到底接收多少資源啦讓我們知道一下 |
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| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
7421.667 |
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好 謝謝趙委還有各位委員那我們治安院是行政法的所以它不像政治官員有預算原格的經常這個基本需求所以從112年我們掛牌到成立第二年大概每一年補助費補助費的話大概是像113大概是4.5億左右 |
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7424.868 |
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7444.845 |
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我們大概4.5億來支持相關的工作那跟委員報告就是說資安院當時立法院通過的條例裡面我們有幾個重要的任務除了協助政府的資安以外那第一個很重要列在第一條就是有關比較前瞻的一些資安的技術的研發 |
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7445.606 |
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7474.89 |
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那部分並沒有在剛剛委員講的資安署的那個補助計畫裡面那除了這個以外我們還協助一些產業所以資安院剛剛委員關心的包括這個AI的相關的技術的研發那葛委員給我們很多指導因為這個是一個全世界的趨勢那商業性已經有了我們不會研究但是呢部長認為說我們國內不管是一般的產業資安或資安產業大部分都是比較屬於中小型的企業所以資安院呢 |
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7475.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
7502.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
有內部的人員自行委外來開發出來以後除了協助政府以外也可以協助產業也可以做技術移轉我想從這個角度來希望我也能夠支持這樣的計畫 謝謝好 那誰知道資安院4.5億的組成來自三個單位的個多少來 那個資安署 謝署長來自 你補助多少你們三個要把4.5億湊齊讓我們知道在哪裡來 你這邊有給他多少不管透過計畫 透過什麼 |
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7503.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
7531.758 |
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我的給他的補助款是1.211048000元就這樣的有沒有什麼透過其他計畫的有委外案但是委外案是公開招標所以資安院也可以來競標這樣子那產業署有沒有跟召委報告跟委員報告我們目前也是招標是2500萬也是用招標的方式那資安院招標的方式會固定給他們 |
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7532.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
7552.516 |
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欸 不會 那個是看但是每一年剛好他飆到 是不是這樣欸 對 他跟那個公園約不是好好好 我知道 我知道技術不錯 好好好 技術不錯不是 就是他跟公園合作來 成功了你們目前為止只說明了大概1.5億啦還有3億在哪裡 誰說明一下不是 他錢到底在哪裡啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
7559.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
7575.293 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
等一下這麼多人舉手話錢都藏在你們幾個市裡面是吧來統一說明一下還剩下3億在哪裡報告主席那個我們本部裡面全部捐114年捐助給治安院的是3.4億耶 |
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7577.354 |
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7592.765 |
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好 那這樣說明完畢 後面不用舉手了這邊3億多 可是我覺得今天預算省來這邊我們說不分黨派 講一個預算的特性你們其實已經固定要給這個行政法人多少錢 |
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7593.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
7622.252 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
可是有一些是常在譬如說具體的補助館給他行政費用有一些常在計畫裡面你都講補助你知道嗎理論上是招標的可是你每一年其實已經變成就你來我覺得這個對我對委員來說這個東西你要不然你就編個4.5億乾乾脆脆你就給他他業務這麼多你要不然就給他嘛反正預算這樣可是你長東長西我們標什麼案子標什麼案子後面咧 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
7623.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
7641.064 |
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是大家所有的溪流都是流向那裡我是覺得對我們來講常常講說長預算或者不清楚你這樣的其實對我覺得對我們委員認真看預算的時候因為其他預算根本看不出來到你這邊來我是個人這樣建議那這樣的 |
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7644.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
7670.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
我們來處理一下好不好 因為其實就我個人的看法 因為違犯費2.8億 就委託別人做強補助事實上比違犯費更放鬆的 就丟給別人丟給別人去做的那這邊是13億多了那我想這樣的好不好因為我剛剛看到有三千幾百萬幾千萬到兩億的都有那我這邊是不是 |
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7673.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
7699.834 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
嘗試的做這樣的一個處理針對於這整體的預算整體預算3減1億元凍結10%但是三減凍結的是給直轄市政府跟縣市政府補助的除外這6092不動不刪其他的部分你項目去移各位來 阿尼亞委員 |
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7702.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
7728.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
因為光是38案跟37案合計起來就刪了四億六千萬了這是個別的案子不是說什麼這案他刪兩億多我刪一億多是這兩案合計起來就刪了四億六那再加上有其他的合計起來其實數量蠻高的所以我覺得如果要統三的方向的話應該是我覺得一億有點太少了我覺得至少再一億再一億啊 |
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7729.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
7743.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
好 建豪委員有具體建議 黃沛翔接下來林俊憲委我本來是講3億凍結30%那我建豪都講了 我支持建豪的想法3億再凍結30%因為老實講 凍不凍講補助金 凍不凍這些數位任性東西你這解釋東西說真的 所有人都疑問 |
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7750.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
7776.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
如果是3億我們就輕輕鬆鬆這樣出去的話我們不知道該怎麼跟大家交代你知道嗎不知道怎麼跟選民交代不知道人家說為什麼他們可以3億多這樣花在這邊上面來講你們也知道這黑盒子剛剛寶博也講是黑盒子那黑盒子你們又沒有辦法來說服我們的時候那我們該怎麼做講補助3億多對不起是3億多然後我們所有人都相信我們會嚴格把關 |
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7779.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
7780.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
所以其實講兩億 我本來想說砍3億 凍結30%以上好 林俊賢委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
7788.576 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
7816.474 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
謝謝主席那個部長 那個大委也請主席回答一下部長 那個主席剛才有說你們既然大部分有4億多都是要補助給那個資安院嘛但是其實在組織法律上你是不能直接編例上就指定要給他啦就這邊的相關的法律大致你要跟委員說明一下你可以這樣編嘛第二個 你說13億裡面其實你給各地關政府就有6億多了嘛 |
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7817.535 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
7832.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
是不是這樣那主任你剛說這個部分不能就不動嘛6千萬6千萬嘛6千萬那其他的你的主要業務大部分都是委託給資產業嗎市役多嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
7838.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
7860.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
只有三個單位TDC還有TWNICTWNIC就是負責網絡的所以你這個部分其實也應該要講清楚因為他委託的基本上也等於是政府單位之間的互相委託所以我想就他業務的執行我們應該算那個比例 |
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7862.412 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
7889.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
你給他砍個兩億我看是我們委員會從來沒有刪那麼高比例的主席你這樣一採他的業務還能推嗎對不對基本上我們當然希望能夠你們不要浪費不要亂做事情但你如果刪到他根本基本業務都沒有幫我推動那你還要求他能夠做出什麼樣的績效來所以我是覺得第一個你先就主席剛裁定的如果刪一億的話那部裡面的意見是怎麼樣 |
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| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
7894.711 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
你可以接受嗎你要先講這部分啦好 謝謝好 何俊頓委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
7898.561 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
7921.241 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
好 謝謝主席 大家好其實對於這個數位台灣未來的一個建制其實大家對數位發展部實在是期待很深那因為期待深就會有要求那也會嚴格檢視那我覺得數位發展部真的要更積極而且要更像的來跟各位委員說明那如何來爭取大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
7921.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
7942.071 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
支持你的預算那像這一個預算裡面就如同剛剛其他幾位委員講的第一個我們保留給各直轄市縣市政府的補助這個我們當然OK一定要全力支持第二個一開始你們也沒有明確的說明說其中有多少錢是給我們的資安院其實你可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
7942.611 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
7962.159 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
非常公開的說資安院本來就是我們政府捐助成立的行政法人他的位置他要做什麼事情其實是很必要而且重要的尤其現在我們在數位台灣裡面又非常重視所謂的資安那在委員會的質詢裡面我一直很強調第一個資安 |
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7964.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
7981.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
全台灣從中央政府到地方政府各行政機關的資安體系的建置如何能夠有效的防禦所謂的不管是這個駭客的攻擊啦或者是呢境外勢力的惡意的攻擊等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
7981.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
7999.947 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
那這些都需要人需要經費那這個我們要人之前也要有經費這個我覺得你要先講清楚為什麼那麼一大筆錢必須要去講補助給資安院或者是其他的各行政機關這第一個第二個我們的這個預算裡面的各個項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
8004.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
8022.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
計畫內容是不是有說明清楚包括我剛剛講的資安以外我們有很多的要去建置一個這個資訊體系尤其我們現在正在分10層進階式的在佈建台灣全國性的一個資訊的一個脈絡 |
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8025.382 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
8041.974 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
那這個資訊脈絡我覺得裡面你們的計畫裡面還是沿用過去什麼民主網絡啦或者是其他的你們覺得跟現在的計畫預算或發展的方向如果需要微調的地方我覺得你就要在我們現場要講出來你們未來這個預算邊境去那執行面是怎麼樣的微調精進能夠更符合這個預算執行的效益 |
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8051.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
8080.667 |
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那這樣子大家會支持你的預算那像剛剛主席在財市要刪減一億那如果這個預算被刪了一億之外你們的運作如何運作那影響的程度會影響到哪裡是不是會讓一些業務跟計畫跟一些資安的問題會自愛難行去推動這個我希望部長跟我們相關單位的首長是不是可以趕快講清楚好不好我們一定會支持好不好 |
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好 葛珠君委員 |
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我想這邊是很欽佩這個執政黨的委員都是非常公正公允的在看尤其這個預算真的是大家都在盯著也希望可以說明清楚我這邊只有兩點補充就是所以我也希望公允就是說如果這兩點能夠說清楚的話我當然也可以跟本黨的委員說是不是少一些第一個這13億發出去給這三個單位他們能不能再轉發 |
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他能不能再轉發不然你發出去了他再轉發那他再轉發再轉發再轉發發到哪裡我們都不知道啊這個如果可以或不可以講清楚這是第一個第二個轉發給這些單位那他們的人員有沒有進適任性查核因為資通安全的計劃執行的人力跟單位都應該要適任性的查核這一點會不會做就這兩點問題謝謝 |
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好林佩祥委員好既然何信存委員特地講林俊傑委員特地講為了保持委員會中心跟委員會的和諧本期願意改成1.5億到凍結10% |
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好那這樣好不好因為討論已經蠻久的那我針對於本案通案獎補助費13億6781萬餘元我們就3減1.5億凍結10%但是其中對直轄市政府的補助對各縣政府的補助政府機關相關的補助6092萬餘元除外 |
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趙偉給部長回應一下啦好不好剛剛我們這個大家的問題部長回應一下講清楚啦部長報告那個趙偉這個工作其實剛剛講我們現在講三個單位我先回答各位的問題就是說第一個我們那個經費下去是三個單位自己執行然後第二個就是說那個有關於這個查核我們資安院的資通工作人士會查核所以這個這是對對對 |
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來針對委員的疑問誰來回答一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
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好委員我可以發言那個跟委員還有各位報告資安院的所有同仁全部都經過安全查核那我院長是要做特殊更嚴格的查核那主要還是我們有執行一些敏感性的東西那第二個 |
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8264.071 |
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8286.175 |
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在專案成立以後我們交友會的各會委員很關心說我們一定要培養我們自己的能力所以呢我們所有的計畫都是我們的同仁很優秀的同仁年輕人自己在研發自己在研發自己在開發那這個部分呢也剛剛這個各會委員也特別關心那我就這兩點說明謝謝好 安委員 |
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8307.913 |
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是 其實剛剛聽了院長的說法其實還是不清不楚現在這個錢基本上是給資安院對 那資安院裡面本身它就是自己要有研發的能力嘛你現在變成說是這個裡面內部又有各個不同的計畫 |
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那這個計劃怎麼可能會是用一種在補助的這個方式去做那勢必就是說你們可能會不會未來把撥給自然院的錢然後又其中又分了其他的子計劃給其他的研究單位去做我想葛委員剛剛想要問的是這個部分或是給其他的民間團體去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
8332.165 |
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8356.144 |
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好 我再說明一下這個資安院有一批非常優秀 年輕的工程師所謂 那我剛才講過是因為我們不是政府單位 我們不能編公務預算也沒有基本需求所以就靠這個每一年部跟屬根門這樣的補助計畫或是我們需要去公開競標那丟到跟委員報告 所有的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
8357.365 |
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8383.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
由部裡面撥到資安院全部由資安院的一些像我們的前瞻的技術的工程師自行研發自行開發沒有再轉報告給其他法人我想這個部分很清楚我利用這個機會在這個順便希望委員能夠支持這樣一個年輕那希望能夠透過技術的開發來協助我們政府機關協助我們的中小企業把資安產業跟產業資安造謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
8387.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
8411.781 |
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好 這個因為資安院我是建議所有的委員可能未來需要你的KPI就是說我很強我很壯我很棒然後但是一切不能檢驗這個沒有辦法4.5億好你說你剛開始那我真的很想問你譬如說113年你4.5億你的具體的成果能夠發展什麼當然因為你要說明就可能書面說明那但是你可能未來 |
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8412.842 |
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8433.208 |
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未來因為我剛剛已經說了你的預算來源有正面的補助有側面的假標案標完之後對這是公開招標但是一定你得標像這種的部分納入你每一年的一個收入部分我是覺得你值得去研究你們要補助一個單位就明著補助給他們去做就好了好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
8434.068 |
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8459.206 |
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那這個部分我們是不是再折衷一次啦再折衷一次啦3.1.2億啦好不好3.1.2億凍結10%請你治安院這邊提出具體的說明使得動之好不好我們就各位委員先這樣好不好好不好3.3億剛剛這個主席英明已經說是1.5億我們當然好多蠻認同的沒關係啦就再讓我再裁示一下好不好就1.2億凍結10%提書面報告使得動之 |
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8464.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
8490.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
好但是一樣一樣補助地方政府的6092是除外沒有動也沒有刪所以科目的那個挪移不准動這個就這樣其他科目自行調整但是不准動6092好吧給地方政府的好不好那我們接續處理好吧繼續啦繼續往下走休息五分鐘啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
8495.061 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
8495.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
沒關係 沒關係 沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
8519.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
8536.834 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
8538.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
8544.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
7.6億我跟你講這個部分也是我非常希望可是不可能就不可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
8561.604 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
8576.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
本來那個時候部長就說要治安省你就編一條就直接給文化部也這樣可是他不要啊部長來以後就覺得說就那一筆錢你就明明白白的去捨不得那些基本需求 |
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8578.473 |
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| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
然後他有些計畫要競標我還要去標三十五萬一個兩百五十個人全部都是工程師你不給他這個預算因為我們不是剛剛講的公共計畫沒有基本需求啊我也沒有那個人事會啊我就要靠組織計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
8604.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
8609.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
這個就是我們在下包的法人馬,台灣馬又不太一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
8629.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
8630.891 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
這間餐廳的餐廳是一間餐廳的中間餐廳。 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
8647.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
8649.331 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
中文字幕 李宗盛 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
8664.736 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
8674.542 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
王長宇啊 出國一天走誰啊 王長宇你什麼都不可以接受你啊 你是接待人權嗎第一個 不用接 第二個 別做人家講話阿伯來 要通 阿伯來 要通 阿伯來 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
8697.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
8702.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
我們也不熟 比較比較我們怎麼會熟在公務員也不熟 因為公務員根本對社會產業也不熟 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
8726.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
8731.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
那些平庸車啊那些貨車啊那些貨車啊那些貨車啊那些貨車啊那些貨車啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
8757.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
8766.971 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
如果隨時時間差 你看來台南溫暖派通的 也沒有啊因為年多的人都在說溫暖 國際溫暖現在溫暖 他們覺得溫暖派通太靠臨了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
8780.819 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
有没有达到啊?你找的啊?你找的啊?你找的啊?你找的啊? |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
8794.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
8806.169 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
我之前都沒有習慣,都沒有愛上我,所以我常常忘了你怎麼會這樣,很可憐,很好的事情那些都要想清楚要有公文嘛,要順利沒關係,如果沒有的話,我開廟 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
8812.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
8813.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
這時侯去找人家? |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
8813.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
8816.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
說他先去立委 立委消息一番? |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
8816.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
8833.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
立委 最近 最近查了一遍就有了 最近最後一遍就有了沒有啊 上一遍啦 沒啊 沒啊 沒啊 沒啊 沒啊 沒啊 沒啊 沒啊 沒啊 沒啊 沒啊 沒啊 沒啊 沒啊 沒啊 沒啊 沒啊 沒啊 沒啊 沒啊 沒啊 沒啊 沒啊 沒啊 沒啊 沒啊 沒啊 沒啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
8838.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
8840.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
蜂蜜 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
8850.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
8852.536 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
他都跑出來了,就這樣就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
8873.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
8886.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
當時他們就比較辛苦,這次放他在那裡抱著就好了這三個是沒有跟其他人說沒有關係,他們要有三個是跟其他人說他自己要靠近,我們都要靠近對啊,我也是有什麼關係,只是他說...我也沒時間去跟他了啦 |
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8890.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
8908.372 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
你就叫建隆去推就好我已經做好可以做了啊我們就做就好 阿鳳你自己全背都要你自己鑽點這樣就好了這樣好不好對啊 我們沒辦法去跟那個玩你到底怎麼可以跟他去不是 阿鳳你就要推 要推建隆你用這個我們沒辦法去推他每天在那裡裝藥叫建隆去 建隆也要負點責任啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
8925.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
8935.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
好請各位就座好我們繼續處理預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
8939.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
8957.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
第42案到第45案也是通案業務費一般稅務費向下的媒體政策及業務宣導費經費不多但是我們有幾位委員提案林國成委員我要請教一下部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
8977.331 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
你這個媒體政策及業務宣導會你要編名就編多一點上不上下不下265萬他是要做什麼是揚網金嗎或者要做廣告你們做什麼廣告 |
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8978.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
9001.569 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
所以這個部分我是認為沒有必要因為你們要好好去做一下那邊這個預算也不是電視廣告也不是什麼那你們也沒有必要去做廣告啊所以本席認為這是沒有必要的東西雖然通案啦但是我認為你們這個是要做什麼所以我主張要全部刪除好 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
9006.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
9017.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
好那接下來我本身也有提案第44案的部分那我提案最主要是這樣也是幫你們第一個在你們這個預算在113年編了175萬那明年我們在審查114年的時候你大概加了90萬變成265萬有增加 |
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9029.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
9055.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
那第一個是說你增加的部分你要做什麼要增加在編預算的起新動念就是說我今年或去年編的實在是不夠用所以我要增加一些做新的計畫可是倒過來看你112年開始你編的預算執行率只有25%就是那一年就作廢了大概只花了大概就是四五十萬只需要四五十萬啦那當然我是肯定嘛就是有要用的去用嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
9056.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
9082.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
那113年呢這個今年度目前我們拿到11月以前的資訊是用了28%28%所以我個人是覺得我們要幫你去調整一下預算因為第一個你連續兩年的預算只用大概都不到三成所以你只需要這麼多在用不完的情況之下在編預算的時候又說又多編了90萬我覺得這個 |
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9085.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
9092.787 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
這個編法我是不認同啦所以我這邊雖然是3.1百萬待會帶大家統一大家再來考慮好請說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
9098.203 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
9123.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
事務部說明我們請那個市長蔡市長說明好那委員我們大概今年編列265最主要召委剛剛說明說112 113到114因為112部成立的時候我們大概是編在一般行政那個秘書處的向下那經過這兩年我們大概就編到我們數位策略師裡面就是公關科真的專責用 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
9124.617 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
9138.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
但是編這個在核實265這主要是有資料師、國際師、數證師跟策略師四個師來使用那我們大概114年大概我們大概要去做政策的宣導跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
9139.815 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
9157.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
科普的說明就是這些都是拍一些簡單的一些公關的公關的工具並不是說去做給特定媒體的那個補助或怎麼樣所以說這個部分看委員能不能支持然後就是讓我們提書面報告之後來運用這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
9159.579 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
9181.313 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
對 所以你這邊的意思就是我不太懂就是政策宣導跟有一些觀念的科普都OK嘛但是今年目前只實行28%嘛所以今年不用政策宣導今年不用科普但我覺得這個部分還是有一點奇怪因為連續兩年只用到百分之二十幾%那你說又要增加九十萬所以我只是幫你調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
9185.736 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
9203.412 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
那在這裡啊 那我請問一下為什麼你們來溝通的時候我說叫你們提供細目 去年的細目 為什麼你們不提供不是啦 那為什麼不提供 那不提供就是沒有必要啊 |
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我要你們提出說明你也知道我在審議算是非常理性的只要提出來有理由的我們基本上都支持啊但是我請教一下我要你們提供你們去年的那個那個細目為什麼提供不出來 |
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好 報告委員大概就是這邊我們資料沒有提供這個部分再跟委員道歉那最主要我們執行率大概就是12113大概2528左右因為這分在四個四個司有的編書有的編 |
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是是是 那這個我們提供 所以我才 我說拜託委員喔這個部分我們大概以後這四個市我們一百一十人要朝統一這兩百六十萬統一去發包對 我知道 二十六州一回事 你們過去你也經過你解釋本來原來編在其他地方 你們現在把它統一編在這個地方 |
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這個我們知道那你怎麼編沒有關係戲目為什麼不給我所以我才會前三啊因為不給我就是見不得人不是嗎沒有沒有我是說可不可以讓我凍結50%戲目我再提供這樣 |
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9301.495 |
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那幹嘛 我審議算為什麼要聽你的呢 對不對那為什麼很簡單 給我資料 我就會放行 我也會支持那你們為什麼不給 你們就是壞習慣嘛委員要你們要資料 好像是要你們什麼東西耶這基本上給我們資料 我們了解的越多 我們越支持你們嘛 |
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我們交通委員會在審議算不管三檔在審議算是非常理性的我就請教你啊不然為什麼不讓你是你交代的還是他們自己做主張的沒有沒有 這個是我這邊的疏忽是啊 你要解釋為什麼不給我嘛 |
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這個資料我大概給慢了這樣委員不好意思 是啦 給慢 什麼時候那你什麼時候給 那就剩第二輪的大會來討論好不好好 那就送到那個 這樣的啦 我覺得這樣很不行喔每一位委員跟你要資料說真的啦 你人看不到就算了 跟你要資料 |
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這是我們的全通過預算資訊公開要跟你怎麼質詢怎麼會說不給咧會說今天在已經在建在弦上你說要給林俊賢委員來現在主席喔這個只有兩百多萬喔全部預算兩百多萬這個送鞋上實在有一點 |
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所以喔 你也後備人啦你兩百多萬 你是要上什麼學生啦你就在那邊跟經貿政委員報告誰啊 人家就給你藥製藥 你也沒人我現在立刻給委員好 來來來 我想問一下那個部長再說明一下那個 真的 這個是我們的束縛啦那我們資料有了是不是就當 |
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9415.64 |
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你們團隊聽一下部長的話啦好不好以後資料要怎麼弄來 部長你再說一遍對 就是對啦那個我先跟委員道歉啦因為這個確實是我們束縛的地方那我們資料是有是不是向委員現在當場給委員看一下 |
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9434.536 |
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真的有點尷尬每一位委員跟你們要調合法的預算處理資料你要最快第一時間要去給到委員辦公室這個是基本的那看到你的資料再了解預算要怎麼去做處理這個部分我覺得基本了但是265萬我來處理一下就3減100萬好不好3減100萬 |
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9439.24 |
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9455.931 |
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凍結10%然後提供書院報告10%的凍資這樣啦部長因為我已經說了你們也講了去年112年給你們錢你們只執行到四分之一25%今年已經113年結束了你們只執行到28% |
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9472.515 |
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但是你還要比去年再多90萬 多51%我覺得在預算的編列上面有它的不合理性我今年錢都用不完了然後我要再多90萬所以我只是幫你們調整一下調到你們去年 |
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今年用到28%都用不完嘛那你們再努力去用我沒有說把你們整個刪減啦好不好那這個比較小條的要不要快一點來部長林副院長如果你在發言說明的時候你知道預算會刪減你也可以提出一個你認為就部裡面希望委員會刪減的一個數字你也可以主動提出來 |
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9520.248 |
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不然我們這個主席有時候比較勇 台腦比較多有時候你 譬如說你希望這個預算三五十萬 你也可以主動提出來對不對我在想 部長這個一個立法委員 要了解到底你們錢花到哪邊去像你們剛剛就有資料啊 你們有九項啊去執行這些啊 |
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9535.754 |
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那我就感覺現在真的是一個不了解要你們提供資料你們就是粗心大意不給委員知道那我刪掉是剛好而已你聽到沒有因為我會認為你們提不出來 |
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9553.744 |
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你們只有20幾%那我要的是這個執行的情形我坦白跟你講我堅持這些最基本的就是我們立法委員審議算基本的尊嚴你們不要以為這樣混的就過去立法委員有立法委員的職責 |
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9570.135 |
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我最討厭這樣就像你們上一次那個行政法人不來我也很不滿啊其實審預算本來就是我們你信你們盡心把它說清楚這樣的預算會很快就取得共識啊 |
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9571.331 |
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9587.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
所以我跟你講啊明明你們都有資料啊為什麼不給不給就是什麼對立法委員一點尊重都沒有不是要刪這兩百多萬不是而是了解一下總是要吧所以柏定我是這樣跟你建議啦 |
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9588.522 |
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9613.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
像這種東西你們都不把它放在心裡面委員委員所質疑的東西啊你都把它當作親菜反正有人幫你護行我坦白跟你講民進黨的委員也是理性的啦對的對不對不對啦所以我原則性主席如何裁我也不一定一定要堅持前三就是主席如何去裁定我也尊重 |
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| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
9636.404 |
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何俊成委員謝謝主席主席我還是請求是不是可以再討論一下剛剛你財事的刪減的數額可以再少一點有兩個原因第一個原因是在於我們一直要求說數位發展部必須要對於我們現在民間最深通惡絕的這個詐騙我們要怎麼阻詐怎麼防詐怎麼反詐 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
9637.225 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
9652.757 |
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那數位發展部如果他們有研發出一些阻詐反詐的一些系統的話那他必須要宣導要講有做的要說你如果不說不宣導的時候不宣傳的時候大家又誤會而且不知道 |
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9653.137 |
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9673.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
那也許呢就對這個我們的主詐反詐的這樣子的一個讓民間深通誤覺的這樣子的一個詐騙行為可能又更氾濫這第一個啦我覺得宣傳費用有時候是必要的因為之前我們一直要求數位發展部必須要好好的來告知國人你們到底在幹什麼 |
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9674.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
9690.2 |
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你們為國人做了什麼你們對大家最恨的這個詐騙的一個反詐 試詐 阻詐的一個系統軟體開發又開發了什麼這個要講 這第一個如果你們願意講 講得清楚那要做什麼樣的宣傳 |
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9710.071 |
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預算當然我們支持你第二個是在於剛剛主席召委已經給我們數位發展不同的一個很好的機會你就把這個265萬為什麼第一個過去的執行率那麼的低那你要講清楚嘛到底是基於什麼原因嘛第二個執行率低 |
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9740.05 |
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是真的還是假的那後來的最終的這個決算的時候的質詢力到底是多少那還有你今年要為明年度的這個宣傳費用增加了90萬那又是為了什麼要增加90萬也許部長你有你的思考跟想法那你也要講清楚這樣子大家才能夠去知道說這筆預算到底要做什麼那該不該支持你那如果該支持我們當然要全力的支持所以以上 謝謝 |
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9741.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
9758.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
好徐副國務委員謝謝主席我個人覺得說這個蘇衛部其實剛剛我很贊成何清春委員的講法尤其我們這個偏鄉我一直跟部長也反映說這個打砸這個事情在偏鄉因為資訊的落差很多老人家不曉得這個 |
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9760.121 |
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9789.501 |
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詐騙的手法跟如果去防範我反而覺得說數位不憋得太少人應該多憋一點針對這個宣傳的部分應該要加強所以我想還是請我們的委員沈慎去思考一下那尤其剛剛講說到底今年增加90萬到底要做什麼那未來在這個媒體的行銷上面應該有不一樣的一個宣傳的一個手法跟不一樣的媒體的一個項目應該要更說明更清楚讓所有的委員能夠支持你們的預算案 |
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9806.146 |
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好 謝謝好 謝謝其實我跟所有委員都一樣我們現在省掉預算是恨鐵不成鋼啦我們隨便在想這麼多你們新的軟體上包括偏鄉你們要去宣傳結果你剛剛講政策的宣導甚至民眾不知道科普成了詐騙這個部分你錢 |
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9808.127 |
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9821.276 |
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今年給你175萬13年你只用了49萬是問題點在這裡你知道嗎是恨點不成綱啊那在你編預算的邏輯就用不完你為什麼要再多一點我意思在講的是這個再給你們說明一次來 |
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9849.098 |
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我報告召委跟各位委員就是因為我剛剛有說明就是過去這個媒體宣導要分站分編列在四個司那我們114年有去檢討過會統一去發報把這260萬好好的做那我是說這個部分讓我們不管在宣導上面能夠為部宣導希望委員支持那我這邊可不可以陳前委員大概跟召委就讓我們凍結50%我提書面報告之後使得凍值不要給我們刪減以上 |
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| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
9861.725 |
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好 黃建豪委員好 謝謝張委員我拿到 剛剛拿到這個剛剛提到給國城委員的資料大家想說你們要來宣導詐騙那其實你們在112年前10名廠商資料裡面 |
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9865.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
9892.674 |
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真的在宣傳詐騙反詐騙的就是兩個項目都是不到十五萬兩名不到十五萬合計大概不到三十萬其他都是其他都是這些有的沒的就別的項目啦應該這樣講啦所以說其實剛剛主席才是說三一百嘛對不對一開始才是三一百然後其他凍結然後再提相關的數位報告我覺得合理啊因為其實大家對數位報告期待不是說你們去宣傳反詐因為反詐宣傳是別的單位的事情你們的期待是說 |
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9917.021 |
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技術面上去阻止詐騙不是去跟大家講說你們不要被騙我想這單位各單位不同的期待是不一樣的所以你們才會編才編110你們才編所謂的30萬不到的數字去做反詐騙的行為嘛所以這是我覺得預算編列合理性因為260萬講真的確也不多沒錯但是合不合理咧就我剛提到了你們就是只編30萬而已啊所以還是蠻多錢給你們花的其實以上 |
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9932.484 |
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好 充分討論針對於本案42到第45案通案的部分那我就來這邊這個調整一下3減尾數刪掉了365萬凍結10%請你詳細說明為什麼效率這麼差提供書面報告時的動之好不好 各位有沒有其他意見好 沒有意見我們繼續 |
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那這樣跟各位委員稍微報告一下也徵求同意一下因為今天總共有四本的預算要審理所以待會因為剛剛這個部分我們每次發言我的這個立場一定是讓每位委員講到有飽足感飽足感可是因為有四本預算要審這樣好不好各位委員如果要發言我們就精簡控制在一分鐘以內為原則但是沒有人按鈴就這樣拜託一下好 |
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接下來我們處理46到66案剛剛以上處理的都是通案現在開始第一幕一般行政徵求委員補充說明林國成委員本席提的是49案、55案、61案、65案在這裡提這些當然 |
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| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
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租金的問題 這個也希望部長要去注意那另外一個就是績效讓我好像也不太明顯這個部分61案也請這個部長要了解一下那65案我也建議就是這個部分小三那在這裡比較敏感的一個問題 |
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部長可能你要了解因為這跟人事會有關其實基本上如何去刪我沒有意見雖然我堅持刪的金額很大但是大家如果討論以後也可以適度的刪那我也不堅持第二我要請教部長你們有一個單位上班在睡覺這個人這個人不是只有睡一次喔 |
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10052.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
10069.966 |
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不是只有睡一次喔行銷中心吵醒他 在上班吵醒他 還被他嗆賭行銷中心 柏柳 怎麼處理是不是可以談一下 這是風氣的問題啦風氣的問題聽說這個人後面 後面很有咬咧啦但是我不要理他 |
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| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
跟你正式檢舉一定要趕快處理叫他不要睡覺就好了好不好睡覺要晚上才回去睡真的喝酒喝了受不了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
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請他請假去睡覺不要在辦公室裡面睡覺因為睡覺他有穿梁繩啦他可以睡我不能睡 起不去很壞所以不要霸凌之後還有一個睡覺的事情不然 我好意 我不要你嫌棄這雖然跟預算沒有直接關係但是還是有一個監督不足的問題 好不好 |
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好 葛如君委員好 謝謝昭偉本席第47案是關心這個也是人緣人力啦那我自己是阿宅 我知道阿宅很常熬夜確實白天可能會睡覺但是這個就應該要正規化嘛你要輪班的輪班那尤其我們的工作的環境是應該要更加的照護的那這一次呢 速發部有爆發三起霸凌的案件 |
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最終是兩成立一不成立調查結果其實是相對的比較草率其他的部會對於這樣的事件其實都有比較詳細的報告但是速發部相對的比較不夠完整人員真的是人才真的太重要了 |
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那我們就很快跳過其實我們資安法有這個規定我們應該要配備1500位以上的專職人力但是目前我們看到只有898位所以只要能夠進來的我們都希望能夠全力留住尤其我們剛剛又提到資安的專案資安或資通訊的專業人才、纜才實屬不易讓他們進來了一定要照顧好他們尤其他們有可能面臨工時超長 |
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24小時待命日夜很可能還要輪班相對的高壓所以我們這個霸凌一定要特別重視尤其相關的資安人才資通人才工作情形去建造一個健康友善的環境所以我想希望能夠就部長剛剛我提到的幾件事尤其相關霸凌的案件能不能簡要的說明 |
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希望能夠營造這個健康的環境否則我想這個行政上面我們應該與凍結同時呢也希望了解高壓合理的這個環境其實也可能會影響到高階的管理人才我們看到素產署的署長我從來這邊到現在幾乎都看到都是代理署長都還是在代理那也有聽聞說 |
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先前的這個呂署長好像待的也壓力有點大好像也不是很愉快我們到底新任的署長什麼時候要上呢正式的人員能不能補上呢這個都是我們這個人才的關懷是不是可以請回覆一下 謝謝好 接下來林俊憲委員再來徐富奎委員 |
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好 感謝主席好 林佩祥本期題第62案是在我們蘇發部114年度預算一般行政向下的數位策略規劃及管理會長請教蘇發部就是說我們數位平台因為它之前我們在委員會也討論過很多次就新聞有價的這個部分 |
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因為一些平台他都免費使用新聞然後廣告收入當然屬於平台導致新聞產業目前都面臨到這個部分很多國家注意到了所以各國都有一些相關的法規不知道我們未來要怎麼做我記得在委員會也大概討論過很多次就新聞媒體溢價草案 |
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蘇華部目前的態度如何?以及這個草案一推這麼多年蘇華部未來要如何的規劃?本期是提凍結案10%三個月內請蘇華部提報告再動輒謝謝 |
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好接下來徐副科委員謝謝主席那我想我提出的第五十案那還是針對我們現在很頻繁的一個名人粉絲專業的一個詐騙還有一個時事的一個案件的一個詐騙行為那我想尤其現在投資理財的部分影響非常非常的巨大那 |
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當然蘇發部目前有提出很多的一個因應的一個對策不過我們還是要要求應該要加強各部會的一個打造的一個溝通平台那尤其針對一個電商業者的一個治安的維護能力還有第三方支付的一個防治作為 |
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甚至現在年輕人很盛行的一個網路遊戲的一個點數詐騙我想這些案子 蘇化部應該要認真思考怎麼樣加強一個防治那所以經過溝通 我們動解了提案動解基本行政工作維持費的10%那請提出書面報告 使得解凍 好 謝謝 |
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好謝謝林沛翔委員好謝謝主席本案本協題是64案是有關這個資訊管理資訊管理的那經過溝通之後已經已經改要改為說減列1000萬到10%然後改順便報告不過中間也要特別特別強調要要求要求中間這個科目裡面要有要有要有列500萬來去做雲端防火牆的措施以上好好的 |
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那我這邊提的兩案其中第52案那我改組決議好了因為我對於每個單位的水電費都希望政府來做節能省碳你們提供的資料說目前為止你們的水電費已經執行率112%因為感覺不夠那我就改成組決議希望你們再提供說明具體節能省碳的一個方式 |
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那第59案啊59案是針對於這個我們部長的特別費大概是我所有的預算大概第一個針對於特別費的一個部分錢不多但最重要的意義在哪裡呢因為我覺得12月4號我在主持會議的時候那時候整個行政院很多部會在講霸凌特別有個空間在請教你們 |
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那時候我們的謝署長謝署長站起來針對於霸凌的跟所有的交通委員不是我啊在透過麥克風有記錄的說明說你們針對於霸凌事件已經做過訪談跟匿名的問卷我覺得這個人是叫做主任是吧人是處長嗎 |
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你們兩個在那邊整個演的齁我是沒法講一個點頭搖頭也看不清楚但是錄影非常清楚就是謝署長說已經做過訪談跟匿名的問卷後面我們講說那匿名問卷的樣張啊 |
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我們不知道結果啦 竟然是匿名樣張提供給我們 正式跟你們調結果呢結果調不出來 沒有這回事那但是你們來這邊說明啦 那謝署長因為是當事人之一啦所以他並沒有參加調查霸凌的申訴事件所以當天在交通委員會的表達純屬口誤我的天啊 純屬口誤 |
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那我跟你講我今天講說3個1億到隔天講說純屬口誤是10億你這個交通委員會我們在談一個非常重要的事情因為你們這樣子說是我們點頭所以委員不質詢因為你們有處理了結果後面告訴我抱歉啦講錯了說錯了可是在講錯的過程中部長你在現場 |
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你也在現場那你這樣的整個的一個在整個處理之下我覺得你的管理的機制是真的有問題署長可以在你的面前去講一件不是事實的事情第二個他本身能不能參加霸凌的一個審議的小組 |
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輪延可能也不清楚或者人事的處長當時其實點頭搖頭我也看不清楚我在看了錄影帶我是覺得真的有莫名其妙最後一個其實我們在各個部會的預算的審議其實部長我真的我個人良心的建議 |
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你是講話最少的很多的事情你都叫市長叫其他人來說可是因為我們真的我知道你是這個好人啦但是真的你當一個數位部部長我們不是選好人好事代表是真的沒有辦法我覺得你壓不住讓這些整個那個你管的官員在那邊可以隨便亂說的話我是真的沒辦法接受所以我這邊提 |
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在你的特別費喔 三節50% 凍結50%請你講說到底什麼情況好 那請說一波說明好 那個謝謝召委還有各位委員的指導那我先簡單就針對剛剛幾個委員提的關於這個第一個就是那個各位委員講的那個署長的人選我們現在是有送給院長一個名單那院長等於上批了以後就會正式應該希望近期就能夠確認 |
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那人力部門我們會特別強調就包括從人員培訓跟人員經驗我們會讓資訊人員是足夠來執行這個未來的資訊因為資訊真的是很繁重這個確實是一個問題整個政府的問題資訊人員是不夠是個整個的問題這個我們會特別來關注然後其他的很多委員的包括剛剛講這個這個媒體溢價華啦這些東西我想我們就寫書面寫書面報告再跟委員討這個來報告報導 |
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那至於剛剛那個我們召委講的這個關於那天這個在諮詢所提的問題因為我們這個細節我們那個整個調查委員會的主席是那個次長那他有經過一些法律專家的考量然後一些建議以後才採取的一個辦法這是不是請次長在這邊進一步簡單的說明 |
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不是我不是要問你後段啦那謝組長你當天講說已經做過匿名問卷了那你現在自己說一下你當天在交通委員會講的是是誤會嗎你要幫他講嗎我一定要講這個事件而已當天你在交通委員會跟所有委員講的 |
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為什麼講不是事實的話第一件事情謝署長本身是當事人所以他完全迴避這個程序第二件事情我們當然有通知謝署長說他是當事人而且可能會對於署裡面採取一些調查措施其中包括問卷但是後來在實際調查的時候主持調查的律師認為說他有具體的事項要調查的時候用匿名問卷的方式會干擾他的調查所以實際上沒有採取那因為謝署長沒有參與這個過程所以他後面這一段是 |
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是不清楚所以當時在交通委員會跟趙偉報告的時候有的確是發生一些失誤那我們是非常抱歉跟趙偉非常抱歉那實際上面那個時候在調查的時候問卷是沒有做的那這個先跟趙偉致歉那整個案子也如這個剛才葛如威軍委員所提的那我們會特別針對資安人才培育跟友善職場的環境我們是願意來提專案報告的以上 |
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好 謝謝次長的說明 默處長你當時是證人嘛 他沒有辦法參加他在那邊講說已經做過匿名問卷 你是人事處處長你跟著點頭是什麼意思默處長你回應一下 |
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那個當天那個我們是透過那個人事院跟國會系統會後再來跟那個趙偉辦公室來做說明 |
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你跟我說明什麼我跟你講當天我們在開委員會委員不在現場的也是本人 祕書都在參與透過視訊鏡頭參與這個會議我想這樣因為來這裡我再次說 |
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來到立法院甚至你們自己在這個怎麼可以這樣的有就有沒有就沒有當天說已經做過匿名問卷了那你知道嗎很多員工他有他沒有啊沒有這個事情搞得我們齁跟豬頭一樣我們說有他說沒有所以你們跟我講是口誤齁那這樣好我們針對這個預算來做處理 |
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好我們針對第46萬到66萬第一幕一般行政的費用總共是6億4745萬餘元那這個部分有各位委員提的三減的數字大概最高到6000但是有互相累加的那個機制 |
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來各位來您有什麼建議謝謝昭偉那其實剛剛我提的這47案我想其實速發部葉市長有來這邊溝通那他們有答應就這個三起八零案件一個月內提供交通委員會完整的補充說明 |
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那也同意本席的要求就該部以及所屬機關的資通訊資安人才的培育健康有善職場環境向交通委員會提出專案報告因此我自己的這個案子47案是同意改為主決議不過剛剛部長有提到這個署長的這個人選是什麼時候送出的我希望能夠知道一下謝謝 |
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好那個第四期案改組決議謝謝葛委員那我們講針對於這個一般行政的部分我們就是統一處理這個兩個部分第一個針對6億多的預算我們3減2000萬針對特別費的部分單一特別付費3減50% |
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其他整體凍結反正是各位有沒有不同意見沒有 你們已經講過了好不好你們已經講過了嘛你要講 來 你說不過當天為什麼騙我們委員我不是在講報委我是說這個科目因為跟前面的一般事務會有重複的情況所以可不可以減少一點這樣子好 |
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來那各位委員對於我剛剛的就是其實六億四嘛剛剛前面處理的也不多那我們就三減兩千萬那針對於特資部分 特資費的部分個別三減50%那整體動資10%提供書面報告時的動資各位有沒有不同意見好來 |
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好 科目事情調整嘛是不是這個部長我們發生的事是不是讓部長承擔的不太...沒關係啦你就是費的部分借用他一點嘛沒有沒有沒有好不好借一點 沒有多少錢啊沒有沒有不是這個報告委員這個是 |
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我們無聊的這個發生失誤這讓部長六億四才三兩千萬還有六億兩千多萬那特別費不過我剛剛是真的一個提醒好不好不要都狀況外不行啦真的不行好不好那特別費這個部分我們就是提醒那整體的部分三減兩千萬凍結10% |
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沒有有動啊整體動10%啦好不好整體動10%提供具體的書面報告時的動之各位有沒有不同意見科目自行調整好就這樣對然後其中第47案第52案改成主決議好接下來處理第二幕 |
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建立全民數位韌性 連結民主網路你們那個 不是 我覺得民主是沒有問題啦但是你這樣改來改去 你在次上裡面的內容物真的 你在明年度啦 因為現在跟你扯這個沒有用 好不好你們如果覺得需要改的 你們就去調整一下不要在這邊找那個額外的麻煩總積分是16億6294萬餘元 |
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這個提案蠻多的有沒有提案委員要補充說明林國成委員 陳世衛召委徐副國務委員我是69案 80案 94案那我刪的預算算也不少也是不少五千萬 三千萬跟三千萬那這裡面就是計畫書寫得不太清楚69案給部長去做參考 |
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那另外我八十案可以改為凍結案那九十四案是績效不明所以這個部分還是要刪一下那當然尊重主席如何去刪減這個部分尊重主席的決定以上好 陳書業召委 |
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好謝謝主席那本席針對第二幕就是建立全民數位韌性連結民主網絡這個經費我提了三個凍結案就是76案84案跟109案 |
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我大概就是總和來講一下就是事實上我們知道在委員會裡面每個委員都非常關心這個資安的問題那包括一般社會這個民眾也都非常的關心因為我們知道台灣人可以說是全球駭客攻擊的熱點那每秒被攻擊的次數就有達到1.5萬次 |
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事實上這個整個網路的一個使用事實上不僅是關係到國家的安全也是關係到整個民生的問題因為我在委員會質詢的時候也有質詢過幾次事實上我們知道就是說跟民眾民生息息相關的包括就是這個肉品市場的拍賣也好或者果菜市場的拍賣也好或者是 |
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電力啊電信啊等等的使用都跟民生有很大的關係所以對於建立整個這個全民數位韌性包括這個基礎建設關鍵基礎建設的一個加強我覺得這個都很必要我們也都會支持本縣會支持那我也希望就是說在預算的一個編列跟執行上我們也希望 |
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數位部要就是要更積極跟更用心那本期也包括我提案裡面有提到這個數位皮夾的問題等等我們都希望就是說針對這幾個議題我們希望就是數位部要提出這個書面的一個說明那在這個政策的執行上我們也希望能夠更明確然後讓更就是民眾能夠更清楚的了解謝謝 |
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好這個待會發言順序徐富奎委員林佩祥委員葛國軍委員邱厚華委員羅志強委員好請徐富奎委員發言謝謝主席本席提出第74 75 82跟 |
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107案我想74 75主要還是針對我們屏東縣這個數位基礎建設不足的部分尤其是我們偏鄉的一個數位資源的一個落差缺乏甚至我們未來希望跟這個數位部跟我們的NCC針對我們一些我們的一些沿海鄉鎮一些防災地區的一個 |
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高抗災的基地台的設置能夠強化這個我們的一個基本的建制那針對82案的部分我想我們還是要求關於這個數位創新的一個關鍵基礎建設能夠給予屏東縣更多的一個支持 |
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那在107案的部分那我們還是要求蘇衛部在這個所謂的AI的技術的一個建立的威脅情勢的部分能夠提升有效我們政府機關的一個資安防護跟一個監控的一個預警系統最重要要有緊急應變的一個能力那所以針對這幾個部分經過溝通之後我想我們還是凍結10%提出書面報告後 使得凍滯好 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝許委員我們因為羅志祥委員待會要趕趴來 羅委員我想為什麼一直在強調我們的抒發部變出國發展部我就看我的第71案 大家看一下科目計畫名稱叫民主網路之連結與創新用途是業務費 資訊服務費預算說明來是資訊操作維護費 |
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但是你會發現說這個速發布是用資訊操作維護費為由在114年度編列高達4580萬元但是其中細項很多比跟資訊操作維護毫不相干我舉個例子辦理國際組織跟其他機關資通訊技術合作請問跟資訊操作維護是什麼關係還有跨國民主技術研發推動 |
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這又跟資訊操作維護什麼關係參與全球分散式自治組織活動技術交流這又跟資訊操作維護有什麼關係 |
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非常多啦還有什麼包括什麼公民科技倫理規範啊然後跨國技術實證作業那我要特別說資訊操作維護應該是跟資訊系統運作是直接關聯的可是速發部的資訊操作維護費卻有很多的國際交流政策推廣技術合作的用途我不是說這些不能做啊 |
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但是我覺得不應該是用技術資訊操作維護的名義來做那不是一樣就是掛龍頭賣狗肉然後把你想要過的東西藏在一些好像覺得我們可能看不到的地方嗎你這樣的預算編列的名詞不相符那請問那我們要怎麼樣去來去審酌你的預算 |
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所以在這部分我的提案是主張就針對這個4580萬元減列3000萬 凍結80%那請書發部一個月內向立法院教育委員會提出專案報告同意後實施的動之 以上好 謝謝羅委員 林沛翔委員 |
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好謝謝主席本席主要提的是八十九案還有八十九案一百零一跟一百零一跟一百零四案這三個案裡面尤其是八十九案其實又是一樣也是跟剛剛 |
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市長委員講的差不多有關民主網路資源解決創新還有什麼數位創新關鍵計畫想請問具體說明所謂分散式認證跟授權系統而且老實說這個其實我還是認為說這筆這筆錢花的其實讓人家解釋不清楚之外而且會讓他覺得說我們是在浪費納稅人的錢 |
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再來也是一樣在第101案裡面數位韌性之應用以及強化然後項目6G的產業產業的這個先期研發計畫那其實也是一樣尾半費那其實尾半費是不是太高了一點我們這邊看到是尾半費高達將近4500萬那其實應該檢討是必要性而且具體說明6G產業到底你們先發先期研發計畫是什麼是有關IoT的再應用呢還是什麼還是什麼樣的項目我們這邊都不清楚 |
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另外再來是有關這個hackathon我剛剛才在想說你們總統被駭客松應用創新推動那請問是為期幾天辦幾場有什麼樣的內容想要達到什麼樣的目標hackathon不是只有寫code而已而且我說的是一些idea的發想可是你們真的夯不啷噹就直接2850萬出去那我覺得獎助金會還是過高有扶爛邊用的支險所以應該 |
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檢討期必要性以上好葛如君委員謝謝稍微本席第二幕的第88案是關於數位創新關鍵基礎建設計劃這個也是在所謂的民主網絡連結創新我們就先不講這個名稱這裡面有很多專有名詞我也算是大概理解就是分散式的驗證數位工具入口等等 |
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但是在前半的第八十八案執行率在八月底其實你們只到14%當然我們一直在溝通速發部後來有跟本席辦公室來了解跟表達說在後來的下半年加速20場座談會加速辦理到11月底突然就從8月的14%變成111%了 |
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那這裡面當然我想執行完成是肯定但是呢到底做了什麼事情是20場就消化了多少預算呢這個中間還是希望了解一下如果了解清楚的話這一案凍結500萬我是可以本席可以併案處理那第二幕呢這第90案呢是關於數位皮夾的建制案這一案呢本席也是非常關注的這個預算呢近2億元呢是兩年期的計劃 |
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那這個邊鑽的方式呢書發部有跟本席的辦公室說明但是我想要釐清就是說因為這個數位皮夾Digital Wallet全世界都在推那他需要做到隱私的保護跟加密的機制但是呢就我本席的理解是這個專案最終的是由 |
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這個有關股的電信公司得標但這個關股的電信公司呢在過去呢已經開始有一些民眾甚至是跨黨派的都有疑慮說他們可能有這個個資的一些風險可能甚至掌握或分析了人流群眾的資料現在我們的數位皮夾連金流錢的流向都要由這些公司來做這樣子的做法 |
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民眾可能會猶豫說有沒有可能去搞監控搞後台大數據分析請部長要說明一下抒發部怎麼來跟第三方來協作去做到公正公開透明來緩解民眾的疑慮否則的話我想預算上本席是希望與凍結來追蹤數位皮夾在研發跟推廣上受到信任的這個部分的成效謝謝 |
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好請問華委員好謝謝主席本期提的是第70第72105106案那針對第70案還有72案那72案的計劃名稱叫跨國 |
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民主之技術研發推動等資訊服務請問速發部什麼叫做跨國民主的技術研發民主可以技術研發嗎民主的技術要怎麼來研發那本席很好奇為什麼速發部哪一大堆社會學的名詞跟理工用語合併呢讓大家摸不著頭緒啊所以針對70案和72案本席這邊提一個3-50萬那在105案的部分就本席了解這個計劃的名稱叫數位 |
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跨域創新淨零先期計劃編列了335.8萬有關淨零相關的計劃速發部另外就有編推動部及所屬單位淨零機制及技術研發編列280萬還有數位發展淨零典範之 |
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這三項的計畫主要是先導研發和輸出光是一個淨零就分了三項來計畫本身認為是有重複編列的疑慮所以這邊提3-150萬以上 |
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好 謝謝邱委員那我自己本身在這個階段有提五個案子那就統一 不要一一說了其中跟委員有提到的包括數位皮夾因為你們已經做了一部分到底進度如何大家擔心的資安的問題 |
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要如何說明所以我大概這個五個案子基本上都提凍結案啦希望你們再具體說明其中包括新的14年到17年的計劃創建主動式聯防必進任性的國家關鍵通傳網路計劃這個是一個新的計劃四年計劃可能要再具體說明一下那包括低軌衛星的部分因為 |
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當時有感覺要低軌衛星國家隊那現在是國家去租用國外的低軌衛星到底未來要怎麼去發展要具體一下不然現在弄了半天的預算說我們要自己相關的研發當然你們現在是資安的預算後面到時候又不自己做有沒有這種可能接下來是6G的未來是可能要清楚 |
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最後一個是112案也是一個新的四年計劃也就AI網路你們是網路主動是防禦就好了為什麼要加個AI比較容易過還是怎麼樣那我以上提的幾案都是以這個凍結為主那請事務部說明 |
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首先我要講的就是說因為這個案子在前面通案已經刪了1.2億在報告出國經費又刪了500萬所以我想這邊是不是可以很多可以改成以凍結為主那我們再聽報告那其實剛剛有提到幾件事情我想因為很多是跟國際事跟任性事相關我是不是請國際事跟任性事二要說明就好 |
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在網路政策發展的部分這個案子的部分我們在編列預算的時候其實我們就已經重新盤點過所以就去年的部分已經減少了649萬元的經費支出 |
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然後在他的預算的編列裡面他主要是在剛委員有詢問到說那資訊服務費操作費的部分跟委員報告這部分的確是因為我們在整個專案的執行計劃執行過程中我們是跟地方政府包含台南屏東還有桃園等地方政府去開發他們所需要的一些公托的系統還有兒童聯品相關的為民服務系統 |
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那這些的系統開發出來其實後續他必須要有相關的操作維護的一個經費那另外在整個那個我們這邊因為我這邊是國際師所以我們也需要跟國際的一些組織合作會有一些系統的一個操作的使用情形那所以費用的部分是這樣的編列然後剛剛委員就特別關切的是有關於數位皮夾的部分 |
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我先跟委員報告我們專案的執行原則大概都會是在年底也就是說12月因為那是建制案所以會是在年底的時候再做核銷就是因為分階段建制所以會在年底一般都是在12月的時候會核銷那 |
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12028.359 |
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所以才會有委員發現說是前期是14%那後期會整個追上因為到後期開始在驗收那座談會的部分主要是因為在數位皮夾的開發他必須要取得不管是公民也好或者是產業也好 |
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或者是政府官員也好大家要認同這件事情所以我們開了大概四季二十場的一些座談會主要就是取得一些這樣的共識那委員有特別關切說那保密呢保密這一塊怎麼處理 |
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那跟委員報告因為整個數位皮夾的開發所有的程式嘛他都會是public call就是整個都會是公開讓大家去共同檢視所以在開發過程中跟甚至之後開發完全部都會釋出讓全民公視全民都能夠一起了解 |
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12090.328 |
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那另外委員有在詢問進度的部分進度的部分我們今年年底他開發出來的是雛形的系統那我們現在已經開始已經跟了經濟部還有內政部衛福部等部會去討論他們內部系統的界階如何能夠產生憑證在數位評價內那原則是在明年的6月 |
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12091.249 |
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12099.686 |
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會先做完內部的測試那明年的下半年會release第一版的就是公測版本以上說明 |
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好那還有說明好那剛才招委有關切到我們有關主動四聯網並繼國家關鍵的通傳網路的計劃這個計劃主要都是補助我們的治安院來幫我們做國家通訊與網際安全中心NCCC的這樣的一個委員那以確保我們通傳網路的這樣的一個的治安防護以上報告 |
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好的 那我們這個針對於這個階段我們總共第二幕的部分很多委員的一個提案從我們先處理三檢的部分 從幾十萬到林郭村委員的三億郭村委員的三億三億我很難調耶好的那這樣好不好 |
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這個部分我看很多委員提的是他有些的計畫正在施行中那有一部分是不清楚的這個部分那我們這個來折衷一下就按照陳雪生委員提案三減三千萬凍結10%給雪生委員一個面子這跟解釋有什麼關係我看他提三千萬 |
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12209.976 |
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好沒關係各位有沒有不同意見來再說明一下沒有其實剛剛通案已經有刪了這個通案已經有刪到了好那我想說我們還是有一點點邏輯有連結來來各位 |
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12235.495 |
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我是尊重召委但是有一些說明要講清楚剛剛很奇怪一下講private code一下又說公開檢視你到底是private還是public講清楚所以是講又口誤口誤那我們現在趕快校正不然我們這個山洞又搞不清楚那個說年底那已經有驗收項目了嗎數位皮夾好謝謝謝謝主席 |
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12236.616 |
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12249.109 |
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好 那3.3千萬凍結10%針對於很多的項目大家提出的疑問請請提出書我講完你再衝一下我講話講到一半你一直跟我搶話講 麥克風給你坐這裡好 |
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12257.236 |
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12268.823 |
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我再宣告一次第67到115案第二幕建立全民數位韌性連結民主網路這個向下16億6294萬餘元我們做以下處理3減3000萬凍結10%科目可以自行調整提供書面報告使得動之 |
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12284.147 |
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12288.418 |
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好另外11500改組決議還有什麼對啊可以還有不同意見嗎 |
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12317.492 |
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我怕你下去罵我乾脆現在講先這樣因為我們想說大概中午之前把數位部的先處理到一個階段大家簡單吃個午飯休息半個小時之後再審審後面三個單位所以我們如果沒有不同意見我們就接續往下審 |
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12344.641 |
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接下來我們處理116到142案第三幕創新數位跨域協作奠定智慧應用基礎你們寫的那個幕都很文學很有那種文青感真的不錯給你們嘉獎一下針對這個部分有沒有委員要普通說明葛國勤委員 陳樹葉召委 |
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12361.212 |
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是謝謝主席本席這邊第129案是關於這個地方政府稅服務品質提升計劃當中有資訊服務費那相較去年編列多編了300多萬 |
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12378.196 |
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但是這個預算書對於這個資訊服務費說明欄的描述卻完全一樣所以我們想說這個資訊數位服務品質每年都在變現在又有這個技術的大的巨大的變革 |
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你們連資安的計劃都灌了一個AI的池進去那到底是因為增加了什麼新的東西要多編334萬嗎但是說明欄又沒有講清楚所以這個AI工具到底怎麼樣導入有什麼樣新的做法怎麼樣用AI技術來幫助地方政府執行公務這個部分是不是也應該要說明一下不然的話我想這個相關的預算呢希望以這個著動 |
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那第40案140案呢是关于速发部正在研拟的促进资料创新利用发展的条例那根据速发部提供的资料有做一些沟通拟定一些框架那本席想要特别提醒这个条例的立法目的是希望能够提升开放资料的品质创造一个促进政府跟民间资料共享的利他环境甚至如果做得好 |
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12433.056 |
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有可能也協助到目前我們深層式AI的資料缺乏的問題那想要請部長要說明一下因為這個預算已經編了那接下來的這個溝通機制的規劃是什麼那先前的這個座談會有邀請政府部門列席但是像主管文化內容產業的文化部以及主管勞動權益的勞動部都沒有在這些所謂的 |
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12456.599 |
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12485.507 |
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资料创新利用发展条例里面的这个相关会议的受邀名单我们在因为我个人本席是在教文的我们也认为教育在文化甚至是劳动部都应该有非常多的数据应该要开放公开那为什么这样的一些做法跟会议竟然有所谓的排他到底什么样的原因那以及这个立他的机制要用什么作为奖励措施想请相关的这个同仁做个简要说明谢谢 |
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好 接下來黃建豪委員 |
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12517.525 |
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12535.601 |
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台湾两个三百五十万人里面可能真的使用买data平台的人真的少之又少啊所以为了提出三点跟冻结就是希望说这东西是概念是没问题的可问题是你们怎么怎么好像你们光跟自己政府之间的连结都做这么差那你当然没办法让民众去使用嘛 |
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12536.141 |
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大家希望說數位政府講那麼多年但是一直是這個成效做這麼差你的比例這麼低你光跟地方政府的這個連結這麼差那為什麼我們還要給你這麼多的經費做這個事情呢所以這部分我覺得說不定要講清楚因為這是很單純這個還比剛剛什麼民主網絡什麼有的沒有的都還單純這很單純就是你們跟各政府各級政府的連結性的問題而已然後連這樣子你們連這麼部門的協調都做不好的情況下那民眾怎麼能夠使用這平台呢以上 |
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12566.411 |
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12572.592 |
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好那委員在發言的時候拜託相關單位你們要仔細聽千萬不要在裡面聊天好陳樹葉召委 |
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12574.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
12580.51 |
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謝謝主席那本席在這部分有提了120案128案跟137案那其中120案針對這個健全政府數位服務基礎環境及人才賠利下有一個機關資料傳輸韌性強化劑發放共用基礎平台建置計畫這樣子的一個科目預算950萬元 |
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12625.312 |
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那我們知道就是機關資料的傳輸任性強化很重要因為這個涉及到這個資安的一個安全那我們也看到在去年十月中的時候就是有發生這個國防部政府公司在辦理就是所屬人員財產申報的時候就是把很多這個高級將官包括國防部長的這個個資都外洩所以這個也引起很大的一個爭議 |
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12643.708 |
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所以在這個部分本席是提這個凍結案就是要求這個書發部要針對如何提供跨機關更為安全快速之訊息傳輸服務增加國人對於跨機關資料傳輸的安全性然後盤點各機關系統建制提出規劃的一個時程提出書面報告後時的凍結 |
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12668.179 |
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然後再來第128案的部分這個抒發部有編列了深化政府資通訊應用建設向下這個強化智慧政府數位發展計畫那我看到這個計畫的用途也是在用於辦理政府資訊直系人員的法定訓練辦資訊人員數位治理素養 |
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12686.384 |
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訓練等等那本席在這邊是想要請教一下因為我們在上個禮拜在審這個資安署的時候我們也看到資安署同樣有編列這個預算就是針對要就是培訓相關的公務人員在這個資訊的這個專業的這個課程的方面 |
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那我不曉得說這樣兩筆預算的一個編列跟執行的對象有沒有重複那這個內容上是不是要請數位部做一個說明所以這部分我也是提凍結預算三百萬元然後希望就就是提出相關的這個報告之後書院報告之後然後使得動之好謝謝好徐副委員 |
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12733.2 |
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謝謝主席 本席提出第131案剛剛我們聽到數位部有提到針對這個父權個人打造自主數位運用計畫這個很難念但是這個計畫今年是最後一年的預算從110年到總共5年的計畫我想數位部編了1億1700多萬 |
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12768.147 |
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但是我們看到的是截至到去年7月底這個MyData的這個平台上線超過一年的資料收集有700多項但是使用次數14以下的也有高達277項所以這個佔比高達三成六左右那尤其是我們在這個林桂檢核的這個服務的使用次數偏低這個比例也高達67%所以我想 |
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12790.871 |
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未來我想尤其地方政府這個他們的這個經費有限然後人資安人力也有限那未來怎麼樣去協助這個地方政府能夠適時的運用這樣的一個平台服務的推廣我想是有一個優化的一個空間那所以也希望我們數位部能夠在這個促進這個政府的業務數位化的部分 |
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12800.561 |
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應該也要加強去輔導讓我們的民眾這個數位服務的使用意願能夠提升所以我想我們還是提案凍結10%然後提出書面報告號 使得凍滯 謝謝好 謝謝徐委員 |
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12829.81 |
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在這個階段我個人也有提兩案124案主要是針對於你們在113年就是現在已經變去年提出來的網路詐騙通報查詢網當然在整個過程中間大家有不同的一個建議還有也給察覺不同的問題但我現在我覺得最大的問題是你通報給其他機關之後很多機關在一定的期間真的更不理你 |
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12830.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
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那但是目前看到這個業務是屬於暑期的產業署來主導那你要在產業署跟內政部或是說其他衛福部去協調我覺得是更不可行的目前看到國家隊在這個防詐詐騙國家隊真的是我覺得不夠合作不夠合作 是不是成績過低還怎麼樣我覺得部長要介入 |
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接下來142案最主要是對於我們看到這個政府的簡訊短碼111然後被簡單的技術惡機去傳一些老舊手機啊老舊手機很多長輩啊那剛好是比較容易受騙的那個族群那會不會未來持續向上發展有其他的可能性所以針對這兩案我都是提凍結案那請市委部說明 |
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12882.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
12896.197 |
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主要是我們要建立一個Digital Infrastructure然後幫助政府跟產業做數位轉型所以很多工作是在奠定這個基礎的一些我們的技術或者是一個環境 |
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12897.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
12909.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
那這裡面其實因為很多我也有提建議很多都是需要再進一步澄清書面報告來說明我是不是請那個就是當然我可以個別請我們幾個創新師跟我們的那個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
12938.896 |
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說這件事來做 因為很多工作是跟他們有關資料創新是跟數位政府是那我先請他們說明那是不是到時候請主持就是我們因為這一部分可能因為牽涉到國家Digital Infrastructure的建立所以我們用凍結之後再做更進一步的說明是我覺得是一個方向那不過這關於剛剛的一些問題簡單二要我先請創新是因為今天牽涉到MyData然後跟Open Data的問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
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還有剛剛那個關於數位政府室的一些問題我們是不是請創新室先二遙說明然後數位政府室也做個二遙說明好兩位市長這個針對整個凍結案待會都會有機會如果說是要很詳細的你這個短時間是說不清楚所有委員那個質疑但是會有一個書面說明的時候提供但是所以現在是簡要的回應好請 |
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好謝謝召委跟各位委員的指教那我先回答一下這個MyData這個問題那MyData目前我們的這個使用人次大概已經到276萬人次所以使用率其實節節高升那我們的一些亮點的一個 |
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服務呢像包括有條件式的換發護照像民眾不用去排隊就可以有條件式的換發護照這也是我們跟外交部合作那以及這個像是良民證啊或者是身心障礙停車證這些都可以有利於這個民眾來線上來做一個線上的申請那未來呢我們其實都會持續跟地方政府還有中央機關一起合作召開工作會議以及技術輔導的方式呢來提供這些亮眼的服務 |
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我們後續也會加強這個推廣讓地方政府以及中央機關都能夠提供好的一個服務讓民眾來做使用那第二個部分是有關於委員有詢問就是說我們的促進資料創新發展條例這個部分那我們未來就是說我們在年底的時候呢已經完成這個條例的一個草案 |
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那未來我們的這個溝通的方式呢就是會在明年的第一季呢我們會召集這個部會相關的部會以及這個專家來對我們這個條案給予一些建議那這個部分我們當然也可以提供給委員來做這個給我們一些建議那以上我的補充說明 |
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好 下一位好 針對剛才委員有提到說針對T-Roll或是零信任這個部分那機關導入那我們現在其實針對A級機關我們都有協助他們導入那針對B級跟C級機關其實我們是把整個安控模組的軟體讓免費的提供這些B級機關使用而且我們有一些輔導的資源所以B級機關如果他們想要導入的話我們都會用技術的方式來協助他們來做導入 |
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那第二個就是針對剛才委員有提到的128項就是這個教育訓練部分跟資安署這邊有沒有重複那跟委員報告這邊是沒有重複的因為資安署他的教育訓練是針對資安普洱是資安的技術資安的集合那我們這邊的教育訓練是針對資訊系統的建置就好像這個集合的人員跟這個建置的工程師一樣那兩個是分開的那而且我們這邊的一些教育訓練其實是跟人事總署等等的這些有相關的合作所以跟其他機關也不會有重複 |
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那第三個是針對129題就是有提到說這個經費上面是不是有增加但是那個功能上沒有提到那這部分是因為我們以前我們在協助地方政府的這個網站讓他做得更好我們是用人工的方式用一些工具去做一些檢測讓他們檢測出他們這個網站是不是有這個符合一些UIUX的一些設計但是因為這樣子的方式比較慢所以我們現在想要用AI的方式來自動化這個檢測的方式 |
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這樣子的一個檢測的量能可以提升 所以在這邊我們就增加300萬 甚至AI的導入 然後來檢測的一個能量 以上簡單報告 謝謝好 謝謝蘇緯夫的說明我們現在來處理這個針對於 |
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116到142案第三目創新數位跨域協作奠定智慧應用基礎這個目別總共是10億多預算因為剛剛通案他們也有刪掉我看到我們所有提案委員有兩位委員提了三案三處但是剛剛建法委員也有去做一個調整 |
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先祥委員不在 那我就幫他做決定了現在就是3減200萬 凍結20%提供書面報告時的動機各位有沒有意見沒有意見 項目你們自行調整好 第118案改組決議 |
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好就按照剛剛宣告處理 接下來處理決議案 主決議案143到159請各位分開143案 |
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好準備好沒有那個143案那個我還沒講話你我還沒有宣告出於哪一案不是不是我還你等我進度好好來好143案來蘇衛博那個報告委員那個14案的提案委員已經同意修正文字 |
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好不是他那個委員有簽字啦沒關係143案修正文字後通過144案遵照辦理144案照案通過145案那個委員已經同意修正文字145案修正文字後通過146案146案遵照辦理146案照案通過147案147案遵照辦理 |
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147案照案通過148案148案遵照辦理148案照案通過149案149案遵照辦理149案照案通過150案150案遵照辦理150案照案通過151案151案可不可以請各位委員可不可以把那個專案報告改成書面報告來 邱委員 |
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13323.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
13325.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
有沒有跟邱委員辦公室溝通溝通如何 |
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| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
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對 因為邱委員人在這裡啊 你們直接面對我要請同仁這個案子的話基本上我們就是建議說改書面報告 |
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就說明就好就說明就好我們有拜會委員辦公室那天委員應該是不在對不對對是誰啊不要委員在這裡啊拜託啊你看著委員喔 |
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報告委員這個我們有有拜會過但是那天好像委員是不在對不對所以沒有親自跟委員報告但是這個委員提這個事情是比較複雜就是我們跟通常會不是我們單獨可以決定的所以我們可以提書面報告就我們的觀點來報告但是專案報告我們也沒有能力說代表行政院來做這個決定 |
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| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
151案修正文字後通過152案 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
13434.811 |
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152案遵照辦理152案照案通過153案遵照辦理153案照案通過154案遵照辦理154案照案通過155案遵照辦理 |
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13441.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
13462.464 |
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155案照案通過 156案156案遵照辦理156案照案通過 157案157案遵照辦理157案照案通過 158案158案委員同意修正文字好 158案修正文字後通過 159案159案委員同意修正文字 |
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13486.223 |
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好159案修正文字後通過好今天我們秀慧部的預算處理完畢謝謝大家我們現在午休中午休息一下到45分12點半來不及啦來不及好40分12點40分我們再開會請下個單位請注意謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
13500.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
13500.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
蔡市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
13535.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
蔡市長 那個秋日法委他主要的我剛才已經講他電信管理法的部分是有行政院公告的你不用叫任性準備叫法務處準備好 馬上就送一份資料給或者是做一個簡單的說明然後送一個資料給秋日法委辦公室好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
13557.974 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
13558.855 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
有些事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
13587.579 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
13589.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
我們來整理一下音樂 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
13605.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
13605.505 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
13631.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
13632.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
市長 市長 市長 市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
13656.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
13676.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
謝謝觀賞 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
13683.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
13685.976 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
中文字幕志愿者 李宗盛 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
13700.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
13701.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
我還是要罵罵他 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
13730.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
13734.201 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
你看一下這個科普跟技術的分別 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
13750.505 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
13751.426 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
這是長官的嗎?你要問一下科長嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
13779.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
13795.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
有些人知道你不太好,所以有一點感慨,但是你不太好,所以就好,你不太好,所以就好,所以就好,所以就好,所以就好,所以就好,所以就好,所以就好,所以就好,所以就好,所以就好,所以就好, |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
13802.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
13802.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
嗯 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
13823.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
13825.716 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
這間餐廳的餐廳有很多不同的食物。 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
13842.025 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
13843.346 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
這間餐廳的餐廳是一間餐廳的中間餐廳 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
13873.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
13876.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
這個已經幫他擺了這個是這是別人的這都是別人的這都不是別人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
13912.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
13922.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
響鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
13931.151 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
13933.552 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
嗯嗯 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
13944.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
13948.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
我把他修一下不用修了我 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
13970.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
13971.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
君怡你的杯子喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
14009.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
不敢要這個嗎?不用不用 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
14044.002 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
14058.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
響鐘 |
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| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
14103.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
剩下還在想 他們是預算嗎 嗯 剩剩剩剩剩剩剩剩剩剩剩 |
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14128.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
14133.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
你們最後出現大法官的權力 由大法官來決定我說風頭嘛 風頭啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
14153.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
14155.041 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
但目的是怎樣? |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
14182.092 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
14182.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
14221.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
14236.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
他霸佔你的生命他霸佔你的生命他霸佔你的生命他霸佔你的生命他霸佔你的生命他霸佔你的生命 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
14253.651 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
14255.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
那邊立法會會不會有大事 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
14285.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
14285.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
嗯好燙 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
14316.198 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
14316.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
辛苦了 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
15150.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
好我們繼續開會接下來處理中華郵政股份有限公司114年度附屬單位預算請各位翻開建議並案及預算表那我介紹一下今天到場的官員交通部陳彥博政務次長陳次長謝謝以及我們交通產業發展及國際事務師陳晉升市長陳市長我們會計處張信英處長 |
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15165.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
15188.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
中華郵政股份有限公司王國才董事長以及會計處褚秀敏有沒有念錯啊念對還念錯喔對了齁 專委齁那這兩個有換嗎 行政院喔沒換 還是早上的嘛 好 那就不再介紹了 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
15191.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
15219.108 |
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好請各位這個看預算我們依序來處理第一個是第一第一到四案營業收入的部分林俊賢委員不在那我這邊是提了三案總而言之是對你們有信心所以增加兩百五千五千總共三個加起來是一億左右的預算希望能夠增列 |
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15220.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
15245.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
好那可以嗎 通過了嗎通過了是不是 沒有沒有來總經理總經理怎麼沒有在名單上好來我們請總經理報告召委 那個就是這四個案子裡面第一個案子是那個銷售收入然後銷售收入這個部分就是說因為我們那個現在就是說因為就是 |
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15246.025 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
15270.009 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
環保所以就是說我們有鼓勵封裝材料重複使用那例如說我們的IO箱便利箱便利袋如果你重複使用你可以節省3塊到12塊那另外就是說因為現在電商他其實他自己都有他自己的包材所以在封裝材料跟一些信箱這一些他的業績量比較衰退了不過就是說我們114年的預算數還是比113年的結算數多了100 |
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15273.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
15297.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
1343萬然後比113年前年一估是多了1820萬也就是說14年第一案這個編列3600多萬這個也是合理那第二案就是關於那個那個整個郵政整體收入下跌那這最主要就是說因為現在物流配送的潮流其實改變了就是說物流配送慢慢的傾向於到超商起貨或蝦皮的電到電 |
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| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
15325.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
所以整個因為你蝦餅你到超商起貨蝦餅電稻店你的那個那個稻宅配送這個部分就會比較少而且電稻店的單價會比較便宜那所以就是說我這個277.24億就是說可能要達到可能比較不容易而且如果用跟113年結算比我們有增加4.66億然後跟113年的預估整年度整個預算數 |
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那個預估數比起來261.8億會增加15億所以這個部分希望那個召委這邊看能不能體諒一下那第三個就是保惠收入這個部分因為就是因為金管會對於那個保險傾向於就是保障型 |
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就是說不鼓勵除息型那另外就還有一個最主要原因就是說因為這一兩年那個就是說金融投資交易熱絡那投資報酬率很高很多人投保意願跟著降低所以我們就是說希望看能不能就是114年能夠跟113年的那個預算數一樣就好 |
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那第四個那就大概這樣子謝謝好聽到說明那我們就那增略1%好不好看起來比較少一點1%那個很大那個像那個那個那個保險800多1%那個那個金額蠻大的對啊所以我是在說1億的話是趴在地下也不知道算千分之幾趴啦 |
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好不好這樣好不好我們增列五千萬啦2473億的收入預算整個營業收入我們就增列五千萬好不好給你們鼓勵啦因為你們現在這個勞務收入你們自己減編了比一三年減少了將近兩億嘛一億九那我們就希望再增加一點要有信心啦報告三位可不可以就兩千萬就好增列兩千萬就好 |
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因為事實上真的因為今年因為去年我們有造成虧損那今年就是說各項業務其實也都也都不大容易要達成一些既定的營運目標也不大容易這不要再討論了就增列三千萬好不好增列三千萬 |
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好好不好我給你們鼓勵收入希望你們增加一點是鼓勵增列3000萬好各位有沒有不同意見那報告召委那科目讓我們自行來調整自行調整你希望調整到哪裡心中有知道哪裡會賺錢的嗎突然想到了對不對好OK好謝謝召委 |
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接下來處理第5到26案服務費用的部分總金額是107億5564萬元有沒有提案委員要補充說明的林國成委員本席提第18案跟25案看起來似乎 |
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我是主張建議刪減100多億然後刪減1000萬以上這些由主席來做決定好謝謝林委員接下來陳書業召委 |
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好 謝謝主席 那本席在這個科目有提了第十一案二十跟二十三案那第十一案就是針對郵政公司在郵件運輸費暫儲包裝代理及加工費這個預算科目那我們看到就是說在中華郵政公司在處理這個郵件的業務我們看到它的這個就是業務是逐年在衰退 |
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那在114年度的預算數預估數就是叫112年還是有減少了4.59%那預算數卻增加了所以在這個部分就是本席希望中華郵政公司就是針對我們郵政單位的數位平台跟郵務系統的一個缺失要提出一個說明一個書面報告那本席是提這個凍結預算1000萬元 |
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那再來第20案的一個部分就是我也是提凍結案預算數1000萬元就是針對這個業務費用服務費用專業服務費電腦軟體服務費這個部分因為我們看到中環郵政公司在這個數位化的這個程度叫民間物流公司還是這個部分還是有待加強那我們也看到董事長之前也有指示說要要求資訊處要來 |
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盤點郵政單位的APP跟網路問題要彙整出郵政數位發展藍圖可是這個所謂的郵政數位發展藍圖的具體內容是什麼我們也希望就是郵政公司這邊提出一個書面報告後 使得動之 |
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好那再來第23案第23案就是我們郵政公司在研究發展費用專用業服務費這個部分在明年度的預算有編了600萬元那我們相較就是說在 |
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112年度的這個決算數僅執行了175萬5千元所以在這個部分我們也希望就是說郵政公司在預算上能夠確實的能夠落實執行不要服變所以我是提三減預算數100萬元然後凍結100萬然後請就是郵政公司這邊也要提出一個書面報告後來使得動之謝謝好謝謝接下來林沛翔委員 |
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好謝謝主席本席是獎勵案第16案推展費本來是3.2百萬 凍結40%經過溝通之後改為3.1百萬 凍結10%以上改成書面報告好 呂崑哲委員 |
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好 謝謝有關於外包會預算編列14億6674萬元主要是作為禁用勞務承攬人力這個部分的經費那其實這幾年郵政公司對於郵政公司員工的權益 |
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其實努力的成績是應該給予肯定不管是直接人員總和金融人員相關的這些權益的這個保障或者是烤雞移等做調整等等王國才董事長都有在第一線努力的為郵政勞工來爭取權益但是我們交通委員會我看我們 |
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不文黨派的委員對於相關外包費有關於勞務承攬這些人力的勞工權益我們認為是保障不足啦應該是要加強督促 |
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承攬公司對於外包人力的權益保障那我是建議不要刪減啦因為他們對於郵政勞工或者是外包的這些啊對於郵政公司編制內的 |
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勞工權益這幾年的努力成績是看得見那對於外包的部分我們應該要給督促請郵政公司對於外包的勞務承攬必須要保障這些勞工的權益我是建議凍結預算1000萬提出書面報告後解凍以上好 謝謝李委員 |
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好這個部分我個人提了兩案第一個是第五案第五案最主要這邊是凍結十億十分之一左右那主要的原因是因為我們也發覺最近在網間的詐騙集團利用中華郵政為名因為中華郵政是我們一般 |
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小市民大家非常信賴依賴的一個單位而且不管是郵儲啊或者保險啊或者相關的業務郵寄的業務跟你們接觸最多最值得信賴可是發現除了釣魚郵件 |
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釣魚簡訊 透過email等等的最近啊 甚至有在通知單留下遊牧專營的手機號碼等等啊 也造成了真正的詐騙得逞那我 因為我們剛剛才審過數位部啊那數位部其實他沒有在努力啦但講了半天也講不清楚啦那除了他們努力 我覺得各個單位也要自立自強啊 |
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因為你們分支點是最深入各個鄉鎮各個脈絡的你們在維學館這個部分我覺得對你們自己本身本身的部分我覺得應該要更積極的作為所以洞爵是希望你們想一些方法好想一些方法那不光是說打炸國家隊跟我們沒關係那再來是第二次案我這邊是 |
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是希望能夠全數減劣的原因呢最主要是第24案你們113年編600萬那目前執行率是27%所以說你們這是研究發展費用好像無法可言啦就是感覺可有可無的然後大家也不希望進步或是說沒有什麼議題可以創新的或者你們覺得創新了可能在 |
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團隊人接受的比例也比較低那我不清楚什麼原因那至少我們看到113年用不到三分之一的經費那你今年又編了600萬所以這個部分我覺得很奇怪那尤其從112年你們本來600萬編的五項計畫只完成了三項兩項根本沒有辦理那113年呢 |
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有包括兩項計劃更改內容三項暫緩我就覺得好像就是每年六百萬先框在那裡然後回去再想想到再用一下可是我們在審查預算的時候似乎不能這樣開張支票想用就用不想用就算了那每年度檢討你到底該用多少你能用多少那我們委員在審預算的時候給你該用的 |
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給你 那我覺得就足夠了所以我在這裡是這個提要如果說你們真的去年都 今年都用不完所以我提全數減劣這兩個提案來 我們請中華郵政說明好 那個首先針對那個林國成委員就是關於那個研究發展會這個部分事實上研究發展會這個部分600萬我們那個114年有編了商案商案要執行 那商案剛好是300萬 |
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那另外就是關於那個陳樹業委員所提的就是113年的那個研究發展會執行600萬執行率遍地只有100幾萬不過我們12月經過驗收然後付款之後目前是執行率是達到581萬 |
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那另外在114年我們還是有編了三個案子例如說那個物流業者的定價策略跟作業流程還有人工智慧還有我們的資料資料治理導入方案這三個六百萬所以114年可能這個六百萬還是用得到 |
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那另外就是針對針對那個調漲工資這個部分調漲工資這個部分因為雖然就是說雖然我們的預算數暫儲包裝代理加工會的預算數有調比113年調漲了5.73%不過因為公告勞工基本工資就要調4.08%那調漲基本工資之後的勞健保惠及提繳勞工退休金也相對要提高所以 |
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增加5.73%是不是應該也是合理的另外李崑哲委員有提到就是關於勞工權益的部分事實上我們的工會就是說工程我們有依照工程會的企業範本來訂定那相關的一些勞工的勞健保勞剛才講的勞動退休金還有職財保險等等我們都會核實的給付所以在勞工權益的方面事實上我們也是非常的用心 |
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那另外就是林沛翔委員針對這個減劣100萬的部分因為事實上我們114年的肌肉收入這個部分事實上我們就是因為就是說因為我們的數字是跟那個113年一樣那雖然比112年還高如果跟113年的前年的一估數比較起來我們的 |
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五億六千八百九十萬這個部分應該也就是說我們要努力去達成因為我們今年113年大概沒有辦法達成那我們會努力來達成希望看能不能就是這個退展會的部分不要減劣不要減劣一百萬然後另外就是魯明哲委員所提的有也是 |
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關於就是那個也是那個研究發展會的部分就是剛才有提到113年事實上我們有達到581萬那114年我們也編列三個案子也是要600萬那另外就是提到沒有積極防炸這個部分其實我們113年有主炸2030件主炸金額達到8.2億元 |
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那113年的113年的執行率偏低最主要就是因為我們的有一些113年案子是到113年才驗收付款所以造成了這個延誤以上報告謝謝 |
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所以113年偏低的原因是有些案子也是到113年才驗收付款112年112年偏低是113年不113年才付款你113年偏低的原因呢113年他到11月是100多萬但是到12月的時候我們已經執行到581萬就快用完了對對對 |
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好那這樣好不好我們現在這個大家有討論過了那我們那個服務費用的部分總共是107億5564那事實上整體預算比去年我們看了一下少了一點1億啦那各委員提案有刪除的從幾十萬到大概1000到2000堆疊加起來大概有2000萬那這個部分我們來統一處理 |
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我們申請500萬元 |
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凍結5% 呃 針對各委員的提供說明齁 使得凍滋啦沒有因為他們分散到各個郵局啦齁全台灣這麼多的郵局齁5百萬還舉手啊不用舉手了吧5%那個凍結 欸那個3個隊啊 特別凍結改成那個5 那個1億啦 好不好就是說因為 這個5% 這個107億我感覺5%比較少欸好 好 好 好 好 好 好 |
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好好好謝謝沒差啦因為5%你就提供書面報告啦也沒叫你專案報告啦好不好凍結的部分不要太在那個引發爭議那我們就做這樣處理3減500萬凍結5%書面報告使得動之謝謝科目自行調整 |
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好各位沒有問題我們接下來處理第27到40案有沒有委員要補充說明的 許副委員謝謝主席我提出第27 28 29 30還有39 40共6個案子那其中27到30部分是有針對我們中華郵政公司在112年度我們的決算竟虧損了16億多 |
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那教育算數更是大幅減少105億多那檢視我們的主要的營業項目裡面其中包含郵件匯兌跟檢疫授權這三項這個營業的減少的金額非常的多從5900萬到475億之間那這個部分我想 |
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未來我們要求這個中華郵政應該要檢討這個整個提升收入一個對策那這個連動就是在於28案的部分我想因為這樣一個虧損造成我們中華郵政公司在這個招考人力的部分好減少那造成很多地方 |
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的欲缺不補或是沒辦法解決一個人力的一個缺口造成我們的同仁的一個工作負擔的加重或是無法做一個調動的一個處理那所以這部分我們希望提出檢討那29案的部分我想中華郵政為了要提供客戶更便利多元的一個開戶方式滿足我們現在數位的一個客群需求那應該要去檢視所謂的一個數位存款的帳戶的一個狀況那要持續的一個進行優化的一個服務 |
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那30案的部分有鑒於這個郵政專用信箱的一個失控背景目前我們檢視之後發現從110年到113年7月初中的情形有減少從13萬6千多減少了2500多個 |
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那出租數更是大幅減少五千多個剩下八萬四千多那我想中華郵政公司為了避免這個信箱空置出租率過低也應該逐步檢討這樣的一個業務的需求那所以這個四個案子我們提出凍結勞務成本各一億元提出書面說明那39案的部分 |
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有鉴於這個中華郵政公司最近幾年在於受險收入投保率跟普及率都有下降的一個狀況那我們現在看到我們受險的新契約被保險人我們還是偏重在所謂的一個中高年的部分所以我想中華郵政公司也應該積極開拓一個年輕族群的一個保險市場增加一個受險的收益 |
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那40案的部分有介於這個電子網路這個投保業務我想其他的授權公司大家都碰撥發展那但是我們中華郵政公司成長的比例偏低只有在目前為止看到只有增加1.69%那尤其又是以員工的一個電子保單的契約為主那可見我們這個中華郵政公司在推廣這個網路投保跟 |
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保單電子貨的部分這個有加強的空間那所以我們針對這個兼容保險成本部分也提出凍結1億元那請中華郵輪公司提出相關的一個書面報告時的動之好謝謝好接下來陳樹葉召委再來林國成委員 |
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謝謝主席那本席針對中華郵政公司在114年度預算編列其他油物成本材料及用品費有編列兩億三千兩百八十八萬元一千元這樣子的預算來辦理規劃設計及開發製作及油商品等費用那我們也看到中華郵政公司這次搭上了這個棒球的熱潮 |
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針對我們中華職棒台灣英雄奪下了這個十二強賽的一個冠軍有來發行相關的紀念郵票紀念存摺然後也引發搶購的熱潮這個我們給予肯定所以本期這個提案主要是希望就是這個中華郵政公司能夠多有這樣子的一個創新形象的一個思維然後創造更多營業的一個收益那我這個提案我就是改成主決議謝謝 |
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好謝謝接下來林國成委員好我想郵政公司基本上我在看他們也已經按部就班行之有連那雖然我提了31案 |
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跟34案我是希望還是要凍結一下書面報告我是建議凍結20%然後提出書面報告以上好那我們請中華郵政來說明一下 |
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針對那個習委員所提的就是113年虧16.5億其實這個最主要就是我們的海外投資的避險成本造成的就是我們在海外投資大概有1兆2600億那因為都是外幣基價以美金為主那這個因為利差兩國的利差造成我們避險成本在去年虧損了294億那今年也應該接近這個數字並沒有減少 |
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那另外招考人員逾缺不補其實並沒有逾缺不補的情形就是說事實上因為油務造成的虧損我們去年虧了3億多那今年大概要虧16億那因為虧損表示說你的油件量減少那你支出如果支出不變那你收入減少然後支出又不變的話整個虧損就會擴大所以這個是 |
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並不是亦缺不補最主要就是郵件量下跌所以我們必須要遵截一些人手不然郵務的虧損沒有辦法去改變那另外數位存款帳戶這個確實就是推動的沒有達到我們預期的效果不過就是說因為最主要就是數位存款帳戶它增加一個帳戶但是它很多功能也慢慢的在我們的實體存款帳戶裡面的APP裡面也可以去達成所以 |
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迫切性沒有那麼足夠不過我們還是會努力提供一些獎勵措施來推升數位成本帳戶 |
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那專用信箱衰退確實也是衰退就是你的信箱數跟你的租用數確實是衰退那這個我們也會積極的透過一些來研議看看就是說到底專用信箱衰退的原因或者必須用什麼手段來一些獎勵來引起各級來積極來促銷專用信箱 |
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那授權收入減少最主要保障還是在中高年人最主要就是說因為那個比較年輕人他可能他的經濟他的收入收益並沒有那麼高那另外就是因為剛才有提到就是金融投資的收益性比較高那很多年輕人認為說我賺這麼多錢我可能就是來買一些金融性商品或者就是說我的錢根本也沒有嫌疑的錢來繳付這個授權收入那我們會 |
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透過一些行銷活動來鼓勵就是來招攬一些年輕人另外就是那個網路投保的部分我們事實上我們在今年有推動一個新的88的定期授權我們希望透過這個新的授權能夠 |
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在網路頭髮或者電子保單這一方面能夠有所注意那另外就是陳樹業委員所提到的剛才有提到我們的那個材料用品還有就是提到那個12強就是鼓勵我們多做一些那個 |
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極有的行銷部分那確實在在今年的我們11月24號取得那個棒球12強世界賽冠軍的時候我們有推出了明信片跟我們的那個遊者遊者然後還有個人化遊票那這一組最近看起來就是說我們大概我們的遊者的部分我們大概可以賣了兩萬兩萬三千多本然後明信片有賣了十幾萬張那整個加起來有有大概有一千一千一千 |
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一千兩百萬左右的一些收入那另外林國成委員所提到的這個第31案跟第34案剛才有提到就是其實他像剛提到的就是像窗口才了兩百幾元最主要就是因為事實上現在零貴的成分就是說一般年輕人都不零貴大部分零貴都是大概六十歲以上那所以你的整個業務量整體的業務量是衰退那如果你 |
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因為量衰退然後你沒有人員四度終結的話那要達成公司的營業是不容易所以我們按照我們的人數評給標準應該是要採200多個但是事實上我們也沒有採那麼多只有採100多個 |
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那另外就是因為現在網路那麼發達那很多事情都是臨櫃可以完成那即使這另一方面也顯現說郵局做了一些改變方便我們的儲戶就是說你很多很多那個業務不必到郵局來辦理在那個網路上就可以完成了那希望就是說各位委員支持我們的一些一些就是盡量就是就是盡量支持我們郵局的預算謝謝 |
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好請王董事長補充說明好各位委員大家好我想大家很關心我們112年的結算就是郵政公司首度的虧了16億好跟各位報告經過我們去年下半年下半年大家努力去年已經轉虧為盈了大概可以賺25億 |
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那的確在郵局這邊郵政公司是面臨到很大的挑戰郵件減少包裹競爭然後我們的壽險還包括儲備都面臨包括銀行跟壽險公司的競爭雖然剛剛9位所提的很好比如說我們郵政專用信箱現在是使用率是6成但是我們的Io箱大概5成多我們現在也在不管是Io箱把它轉成這個我們叫做這個寄取店還有包括數量的 |
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我們因為櫃檯來的很少以後我們這個櫃檯有一些也會把它變成比如說愛遊鄉或是這方面的一部分也就是說遊物的轉型現在是最重要的一件事情了郵政公最重要的一件事情現在也都這個按照我們的步伐包括在數位轉型還有包括我們客戶關係的維持也都持續在進行中那很謝謝各位的支持 謝謝 |
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好這個謝謝中華郵政的說明那我們這本案提案的委員大致已經補充說明完畢看一下我們刪減的部分刪減的部分到現在是到40案好那從幾百萬到1億多這邊要先講委員對刪減有沒什麼堅持 |
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OK 沒有沒有堅持嗎好我想這樣因為這個項目這個費用是蠻多的但是我覺得對於我們第一線的遊客人士費用也在這裡為了避免錯誤傳達訊息我覺得這個部分我們就採凍結給他們說明各位委員有沒有其他的想法 |
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對我沒問題就不刪那我們凍結凍結10%請你們提供書面報告各委員提的方向不一樣請你針對各委員提書面報告後時得凍之好各位如果沒有意見我們就接續往下等一下待會有個案就三期案三期案改組決議我們繼續處理41案到46案 |
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有關於43案管理費用的預算編列了31億6587萬我們依據違反勞動法律事業單位僱主的查詢系統資訊中環郵政公司在113年度發生了兩件違反勞動基準法的違規狀態違反的內容包括延長工時 |
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衛醫規定加給工資衛醫法給付休息日工作工資或者是衛醫規定每七日中給予勞工一日例假及一日休息日這個嚴重影響郵政勞工的權利應該要檢討改善 |
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那郵政公司這幾年對於勞工權的保障有在努力但是還是有這些事情那應該要檢討改善那有來做說明啦我可以同意改動解一千萬提書面報告後解凍以上好林國成委員我是44案啦沒啦我講一下啦沒關係啦 |
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沒有啦 我講一下 媽你遇到王國才就什麼都不能動我是提凍結啦 本來是百分之二十可是在這個部分有主席來做裁定啦好 我是提案如書面說明 請中華郵政來說明 |
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李君哲委所提的就是兩件違反勞基法這個部分其實第一案我們是被就是說因為他認為說我們沒有給他工資但最主要就是這個員工他沒有上班然後戶頭解清了那後來我們有到法院去提出但是那個 |
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後來還是被裁判了我們有提起訴願訴願被駁回但是我們還是提起刑律訴訟那另外就是第二個勞基法這個部分我們就是可能就是我們的主管信念不足了代班主管沒有去注意到這個這個我們也會去做一個改善 |
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那另外就是林國成委員就是關於那個重視交通車輛違規這個案件事實上我們是113年確實比113年還要多啦那我們會已經要求各級加強去注意尤其是因為現在科技執法所以一些違規會比較嚴格那我們已經對謝謝謝謝 |
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總經理我跟你講我在當議員16年都幫你們開了很多協調會也就是他確確實實在這個部分在交通法規裡面他是不把你們納入是緊急人員的 |
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那都是市警局我幫你們開了好多節省了好多單子那我是認為這個也要把它當成一個問題來研究到底是不是請求警察局或者交通法規這裡要把你們拉進去或者你們應該要怎麼約束這個部分我還是建議啊還是建議一定要做 |
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好的這個階段因為所有委員提案的方向不一但是都是凍結10到20%那我們就採凍結10%請提書面說明 使得動之各位有沒有不同意見沒有不同意見對啊就整體啊整體整體整體整體啦好各位沒有問題我們接續處理第47到第49案 |
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身處的部分可能李昆哲委員要發言一下好 謝謝固定資產建設及改良這個預算47億8925萬元相關的預算包含了這些專案計畫一般建築及設備等等 |
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那過去部分專案我們來考量他執行的狀況不佳啦所以說因為執行狀況不佳所以我建議刪減預算五千萬凍結五千萬提書面報告後解凍以上 |
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我們請中華郵政說明執行不佳的情況說明一下最主要就是因為我們台北郵企都更這是一個很大的工程但是因為台北郵企的那個北門那個博物館那個那個是試定古蹟那試定古蹟你要去翻建可能必須要經過那個那個文資審議那最主要就是文資審議這邊卡到了所以影響到我們後續的一個那個一些工程的一些執行那這個是不 |
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沒有辦法因為事實上文職審議他也獨立的他沒有辦法去就是說影響他的所作的決定謝謝 |
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好林國東也不管是董事長或總經理都可以回答我們油儲現在投入股市的投資報酬率有多少金額有多少請說明一下好不好那個投資股市大概2500億左右那分儲位跟授權那儲位大概7點多吧那授權應該10點多對對報酬率因為7點多當然是比較少因為油局不是不是因為我們 |
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總共16 平均16啦 到目前16那最主要 阿不然你告訴我看11月的數字 到底多少報酬率 報期率多少整個年度報酬率是16%對啊 中間率你要暗槓嗎不是 我是算到11月我的資料是到11月哇 你12月一下賺8%有可能啊 中間率 我跟你講 |
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我會問這些東西就是我多少也列之一二喔所以不要這樣啦 總經理我們說實在的 到底多少對 到了12月底的話是16%對嘛 對嘛 好啦加強一下啦 人家都賺爆了你們還是只有18%多好啦好啦好啦 |
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那個 崑德偉崑德偉部長剛剛上台 你去刪人家五千塊幹什麼 |
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剛才那個總經理已經說明的很清楚因為他這屬於文資審議所以這個行政程序繁瑣他沒有辦法去執行就是說他的執行率會不佳那你要三五千啊他三五千然後保留然後凍結五千啊還是三五千啊這符合他們的這些執行率董事長還要三五千嗎差不多啦可以啦沒問題 |
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是不是2500好了因為我想說因為我想說我們北門的都更我現在也在催他們不要說好像就是認為執行不到我覺得我要提醒郵政公司都更是很重要但是文資的保護更是重要的工作以上 |
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好 這樣好不好大家已經討論到一定的階段了因為我覺得也請中華郵政能夠了解委員在審預算每一個不管是凍結3它有它的一個背景跟意義啦有意義也就是說你做得很慢或者你困難沒辦法解決我們什麼都不說就這樣過了對委員會很奇怪那這樣我們是不是就3.3千萬啦好不好3.3千萬凍結5千萬提供書面報告16通知 |
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因為他不差五百萬你知道嗎我在看崑哲偉呢 |
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好沒關係那我們就刪減2500萬凍結5000萬提供書面報告使得動之科目自行調整但要拜託中華優政很多案子不是放在那邊每年省預算基本上都沒什麼動作這樣是不行的好大家沒有意見我們接續處理主決議我們決議案50案到60案請各位翻開第50案 |
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好第五十案中間還有人有問題嗎遵照辦理好那第五十案照案通過第五十一案遵照辦理第五十一案照案通過第五十二案遵照辦理第五十二案照案通過第五十三案遵照辦理 |
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第53案 遭案通過第54案 徵照辦理第54案 遭案通過第55案 徵照辦理第55案 遭案通過第56案 徵照辦理第56案 遭案通過第57案 徵照辦理第57案 遭案通過第58案 徵照辦理第58案 遭案通過第59案 徵照辦理第59案 遭案通過第60案 徵照辦理第60案 遭案通過第61案 徵照辦理第61案 遭案通過第62案 徵照辦理 |
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我先回去了 |
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市長那個登位部長已經答應兩次了就是他們現在就是 |
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然後觀光局是一千兩百萬然後剩下三千七百萬是去年台南美式公路組織那他們現在就是每次都要上千啦因為這個拜託晚吃一下答應我兩次不要為這個事情在我上次開會的時候我現在現在也不會有我先去買這次的 |
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我再問一下我昨天才跟陳局長幫忙通電話我說陳辦人不知道他在把我的事情當作沒事啊他確實有跟我的申請3800萬這個部分我們要上千拜託跟我來催一下這種一定要給的做盤面之外不要我催的盤面真的沒有 |
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幫忙一下 好不好謝謝 |
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這裏面有個寬窗 |
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你还不回去我两个月没回去 |
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我會啊 現場議長 立委 你看不看不亮這樣得了啊老闆已經說了 那不值得再講話了你去抽煙啊你陪他去抽煙啊 |
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我要退回一串我不懂啦我看官方都認得你過程三盤 二盤 三盤你都這樣做 等一下要做好料啦兩次賣一下 扣打 扣打兩次一個案子兩次喔對面都很大 |
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這裏都沒有腦袋 |
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謝謝大家 |
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不用喉嚨出來 |
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好各位委員我們繼續開會接下來我們要處理觀光署相關的一個預算我們補充介紹我們觀光署周永輝署長 |
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還有我們主計是杜曉英主任杜主任剩下都是團隊嘛OK |
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好的 請各位委員翻開交通部觀光署及所屬114年年份可否 要退回啊沒有 可否 讓我說幾句話我本來原本是把基金跟觀光署的預算要退回去 第一個 |
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我是替立法委員啊爭取尊嚴的問題我要拜託次長拜託署長立法委員反映給你們有兩個問題我極為不滿第一大鵬灣他是花生車禍之後圍欄以及電線桿損壞之後我反映請他們儘快繼續結果 |
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偷了老半天還騙委員說修好結果我叫人去看根本沒有修這個是對立法院非常不尊重的這是第一點第二點人民的請願案我反映給署長 |
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署長你也答應要處理我認為公務人員依法行政這是OK的但是人民油沉淹案立法委員要提出這些陳情案那大家可以大家來協調溝通本來就是這樣署長你知道可以放縱你的處長都不處理搞了 |
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半年都不處理所以本來我對這些預算是非常有意見的但是 |
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經過昨天署長你也答應我但是現在在開會有錄音請問你我現在那個陳情案件人家是有理由的你看也認為不行的啊你們到底要不要處理我要你答覆要不要處理那個次長你知道這件事情我坦白跟你講找署長以後 |
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沒有用我才去找部長可是找部長還是一個月沒有下文啊部長跟我講說他有交代啦為什麼會產生這個問題這是對一個立法委員非常不尊重不是只有我的問題 |
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有可能發生到所有委員的身上所以這個我坦白跟次長講也要跟署長講屬下所做的事情雖然你們無法去監督他就代表你們領導有問題所以我要你如果要審 |
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請問第一個這個事情人民懲驗案要不要解決你只要說要解決今天大家來審預算我沒意見只要做不到那很簡單我們就等事情解決以後再來審這個預算第一個第二個如果做不到那我也贊成送大會再來審這以上這是我身為一個立法委員 |
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被公務機關欺負的一個心聲我希望各位委員能夠體諒我這些並非是找麻煩只是我把一個立法委員遇到的事情提出來給次長給署長你了解這些事情如何去處理 |
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好 謝謝林委員 謝謝你們廣泛討論的概念不是 你一個委員這樣跟你們講那麼多 也講到部長處理到這樣我覺得怪怪的你這樣好不好 真的回應一下真的跟昭和跟各位委員報告一下委員有提示這兩個案子我們也確實覺得處理得不夠積極 |
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第一個案子可能大家也都有碰到就是說我們有一些譬如說我們的公用設施然後有違規的車輛駕駛人把它撞壞了撞壞以後本來就是要賠償的這賠償的部分通常來講有幾種處理的模式我們管理處當時是按照原例就是撞壞的要賠所以撞壞的去修好 |
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那可是撞壞人他並沒有把他修好那當然就是我們自己要先修然後安全優先然後我們再去去球場所以想說方法要善巧我這個也利用這個機會表達那也處理完那第二個是因為三坨台風啦三坨台風也是一樣 |
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有些民眾的審議我們也希望能夠更圓滿那這個方式我們已經都已經協調好了這也是請委員放心那麼也按照這個協議的部分達成協議特別利用這個機會跟大家報告說明一下好我們希望有錄音錄影為憑 |
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麥克風要記錄一下其實部長我跟他反映以後他也覺得不可思議這麼小的事情簽到的人民權利為什麼處理這樣部長也覺得很怪所以部長當然也答應說這個一定要處理所以市長你也知道這個事當然我不是針對署長啦 |
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因為我那邊被騙了一遍所以我心裡面覺得所以為什麼要在開會的時候我要去請你承諾要處理就審一算不處理就擇日再審這個很簡單好不好昨天晚上郭城委員跟我有溝通協調我們也找署長電話上也溝通協調 |
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我想署長你講的話也算話吧好不好我也是掛個人頭保證人在這邊啊好不好那郭政委員受到那麼不尊重的待遇啊聽說你們處長也換人了嘛是不是處長也換掉了嘛齁處長換掉了啦好不好請郭政委員你就喜怒一下好不好畢竟他們參議算是你的選擇我干涉不了你啊好不好謝謝啦好不好 |
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好 今天其實建議署長啦 當然次長也在這裡啦很多的這樣的損害 我跟你講你一定要用待位求償的概念像路燈 路邊被撞斷了 路燈可能在路邊你說我要找那個撞的人陪完之後再修路燈這個拜託 以後遇到這個事情不要再民意代表或者人民提醒你你修好再待位求償 好不好這個部分希望這個未來才會這樣做 |
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那我們現在就是繼續開始處理預算首先第一案第一案稅入罰款及賠償收入罰金罰還及貸金罰金罰還這個部分 |
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提案委員 林委員 林國聰委員本席提這個第一案是想甄列說一百萬因為這個我在看現在的業務慢慢觀光也慢慢這個業績回籠所以應該甄列一百萬這個經過郭通他們也認為OK的我們遵照辦理好 第一案我們稅務 |
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罰款及賠償收入罰金罰還及貸金罰金罰還我們增列100萬好沒有意見我們繼續審理第二案第二案是稅出的通案業務費水電費那這個部分是我個人有提案那當然對水電費的部分到後面我們看到你增加92萬比例上面不高 |
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那我們還是希望能夠節能省碳尤其節電的部分政府率先來做那我這個第二案就改成主決議好不好希望你們來說明一下你們有什麼方法來去做好這樣的一個民眾的示範節能省碳是好第二案改為主決議好接下來處理第三到第七案第三到第七案 |
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林國成委員好那個這裡我提了本席提了第四案跟第七案那本來我是要求三列五百萬那然後凍結百分之二十那其他的話經過溝通充分了解之後三預算的部分就不三所以兩個都希望凍結百分之十以上 |
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好那邱文華委員這邊有要補充說明嗎沒有好沒有好好那我們就直接來處理現在3到7還沒有還沒有好我們現在是處理3到7第一幕一般行政的部分總經費是10億1892萬餘元啊啊 |
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18498.509 |
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那有沒有三個委員要堅持的沒有嗎好好那一般行政的部分好我們凍結10%提供書面報告時的動之好 |
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18501.035 |
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18517.751 |
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好 沒有意見 接續處理8到61案 這個案量非常多那這個請總共10億2,209萬餘元來 黃建豪委員再來 等一下 先有要講話的 何新淳委員好 林沛翔委員 陳樹葉召委好 先講 |
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18519.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
18536.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
好 谢谢赵伟哦我提的是12 26 43跟54好那其实12跟26类似的部分就跟观光观光客的人次有关系一个是进来一个是出去进来部分当然这个他们也来说明了他们有些解释说进来要来 |
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18537.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
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行銷針針對東南亞國家針對這個亞洲國家來行銷那因為這個來台理事的確一直沒有達成這個目標和到底後續要怎麼做我們希望說提出書面報告來解釋說到底要怎麼達成你們的這個目標的第一件事情他26號是針對 |
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18555.14 |
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18573.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
這個入客團的這部分就是我們出團去副入的組團的禁令的部分因為我想觀光署也是屬於執行單位這個可能不是你們的直接能夠管轄的政策這只是整個政府的上位政策要這樣做我想這還是要幫旅行業說一點話就是這個事情等於讓整個客群影響非常大 |
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18575.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
18590.16 |
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所以我是希望說也是提出凍結讓你們來說明那其實43案也是類似也是幫旅行業說話其實我們看到說現在出團的這個比例因為現在不能去大陸所以世界各國去出團但旅行業自己的營收其實相對是比較低的但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
18591.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
18607.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
機票的就是航空公司的這個稅後存益是很高的這很有趣啊就說如果今天航空公司跟旅行業之間應該是一個共生的談判的問題就是觀光署的角色應該是去幫忙旅行業業者來協助跟這個旅行航空業來談判來談判來溝通哦 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
18608.544 |
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18627.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
因為既然都放在所謂交通部底下的相關單位我想他也是有原因的就是你要觀光跟交通有必然的關係那觀光業已經這麼慘淡了也不能去大陸那大陸也不能進來那他們變成要去開發其他的這個旅遊航線那出國旅遊航線最最主要的工具當然就是機票嘛 |
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18628.163 |
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那結果就是我們可以看到說旅行業為了東省西省然後自己搞這麼辛苦但是我們的這個航空公司的稅收存益其實反而更高所以我們希望說在這個這一部分我們希望這個觀光署能夠協助我們旅行業者來跟航空公司來談判票價部分讓業者有利可圖了坦白說這樣子那讓民眾也能夠有比較好的這個出國消費的動機 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
18677.063 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
那再來是這個54案是針對當然違法旅宿的部分這你有提到的時候你們有來說明這部分沒關係你們有來說明說這不是你們的主要業務這是變成地方政府在管轄但是我們要希望說觀光水上扮演好這個把關的角色地方政府怎麼樣去管理所謂違規的民宿違規旅館業你們要提供什麼樣準則或者甚至是你們應該去協調數位部來幫你們去偵測他們現在有說AI工具嘛打在有AI工具那是抓這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
18678.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
18701.194 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
違法的這個民宿跟旅館是不是也有相關的工具可以使用這個我希望你們做個整合 以上 謝謝好 何欣晨委員好 謝謝 本人在這一個項下有提三個案子那我先講我第三十案一 二 三 對 三個案子第三十案 我關心的是這個台灣PASS的這個問題因為我們公安署要推觀光 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
18701.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
18728.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
那觀光裡面我們分北中南東那過去呢我記得我們曾經在交通委員會裡面也有提醒觀光署應該把我們中央跟地方各種的Path應該要整合比如說像我們也經常去日本去韓國他們也都會以城市為中心去推一些這個Path那這個Path裡面一定會包含什麼交通各式各樣的交通運具還有呢觀光景點甚至呢還有地方商圈的消費折扣等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
18730.003 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
18759.122 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
那這個整合起來的要讓人家手上一卡一個pass是非常好用的才能夠促進這個國際觀光客來台的意願還有甚至深入到每一個城市的意願那我現在看到的是第一個我們從台灣pass之前的台灣好玩卡那成效到底怎麼樣我想署長等一下可以講一下起碼就我現在找到手上有的資料好像都著重在北北基跟南部那中台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
18760.263 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
18785.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
好像已經有的縣市沒有涵蓋在裡面那我知道的是好像台中市現在就沒有在所謂的台灣 pass 裡面那這個對整個台灣的國際的一個不管是觀光旅遊還有呢我們城市間的一個觀光旅遊尤其對台中市來講我覺得是一個缺憾那這個第一個原因是什麼第二個我們如何可以在 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
18786.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
18809.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
整合 精進 希望能夠涵蓋到所有全台灣能夠去推動這樣子的一個台灣PASS 台灣好玩卡這第一個 第二個現在我又看到台灣PASS又有一個高鐵版你們又有進階版我剛剛講了 本來這種PASS就必須要有交通運具跟其他的配套交通運具以台灣現在來講 就高鐵 台鐵 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
18813.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
18827.219 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
那接著呢還有各個公路系統客運巴士等等那我就請教一下我們現在高鐵的這樣子的一個台灣PASS我們的成效如何那未來我們要如何精進因為我手上 |
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18828.22 |
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18845.309 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
拿到台灣PASS高鐵板到今年12月19號發行量勉強可以啦其實數字也不怎麼好啦那這個原因到底是在哪裡是因為不符合國際觀光客的需求還是他不好用還是怎樣我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
18846.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
18875.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
我希望這個觀光因為我的這個提案只是稍微凍結500萬元但是我是希望能夠給我們觀光署一個要求是不是可以好好的來告訴我們我們如何行銷台灣在這個國際觀光旅客進來台灣之後我們如何讓他們覺得方便好用又好玩而且又可以認識台灣覺得台灣是一個No.1的一個旅遊的一個首選這個部分我希望有書面報告之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
18876.549 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
18878.611 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
我記得有一個數字說全台灣大概超過200萬人以上是熱衷於這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
18897.346 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
18912.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
那露營除了有土地這個場地的合法問題要解決以外我覺得我們觀光署在這個要求業者是不是可以投保公共意外責任險這個部分可不可以要求 |
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18912.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
18928.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
因為去露營我們都希望平安不要發生任何意外但是如果一旦發生意外如果我們沒有強制業者有這樣子一個投保的義務然後負擔起這個責任的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
18932.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
18948.549 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
應該說這個觀光客我們國人去露營的這個權益還有他的安全這個真的是會受到很大的影響那這個影響的不是只有說這個消費者之間跟民宿或是跟露營場地業者的一個糾紛問題我覺得這影響的還是我們整個對政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
18951.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
18973.942 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
管理露營這個產業的一個信任度到底我們有沒有能力管能不能管好能不能管得好我覺得這個是信任的問題我也凍結十分之一的預算希望公共署給我詳盡的一個對策那還有一個書面報告然後才可以動之那最後還有一個提案第三個提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
18975.784 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
18996.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
這個是有關我們在管理旅行業的業務的部分之安我們所有國人的各自的問題我可以跟大家講我曾經在我的手機上收到一個簡訊那是一個東南還是哪一個旅行社通知我的 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
18997.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
19007.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
那通知我說的因為呢疑似各自有外洩提醒我要有警覺但是我跟你講我收到這個簡訊的時候跟我跟你調到資料的時候這中間的時間差已經差了很久了我們現在要討論的是什麼 |
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19013.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
19028.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
我們在2022年甚至幾乎每一年我們很多上市櫃的大型的旅行社都有發生這個他的客戶的個資外洩的事件他有可能是被駭客攻擊他有可能很多的不明原因我不知道 |
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19029.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
19052.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
那各自外線我們現在的管理是要求旅行業者第一時間要通報我知道通報了之後他要怎麼趕快去查明原因跟改善有沒有要求期限內要改進要說明原因第二個我們有沒有要求他要用最快的速度來告知他的客戶他的顧客 |
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19054.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
19081.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
有沒有個資外洩像我手上的這個簡訊已經離你們給我的資料那個旅行社通報有個資外洩的疑慮的時候他通報的時間點到我我這個消費者端收到簡訊這中間已經有一個多月的時間差而在這一個多月以來我都不知道原來我的個資是被外洩的那這個我們要怎麼解決啊 |
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19083.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
19096.657 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
我到目前為止你們給我的這個報告裡面都沒有談到這個喔那如果這一個多月這個時間差裡面我因為個資被外洩我有一些權益上的損失那誰來負責任 |
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19098.658 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
19113.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
那政府在這一端有沒有對旅行業的要求跟罰則或者是有沒有其他的一個精進跟補救措施我覺得這個事情很嚴重啦好不好所以呢我也是著動希望能夠的來檢討精進然後給我們書面報告後使得動之以上謝謝 |
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19118.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
19137.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
好林培良委員接下來陳樹葉召委啊再來徐副國務委員好謝謝主席啊本席提的是第8第14第22第25跟第40號第42案那基本上來講其他的幾個案子都我們都有跟觀光署來協調過 |
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19139.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
19146.971 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
只是針對第8案本席建議刪除7億6千萬經過溝通之後改為刪除2千萬其他的話針對是像說不好意思像第22案改為凍結10%改書面報告而第40案也改成書面報告換成處決也改成書面報告以上 |
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19167.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
19190.576 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
好 謝謝 陳樹園 趙薇好 謝謝主席那本席在這個觀光業務項下這個部分觀光國際事務這個明年度的預算數是8792萬4千元這個項目我是提凍結案10%那主要我們知道說這一個科目的預算是希望辦理國際觀光事務加強對目標市場 |
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19193.777 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
19216.769 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
吸引客源等業務我們是希望說我們在吸引客源之外也希望來台觀光的旅客能夠增加他們的消費額度這樣子才能夠確實讓我們國內的經濟能夠受益我們也看到就是說在疫情前的2019年每一個旅客來台的平均消費額是195.91 |
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19219.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
19234.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
美元那在疫情後2023年他來台的這個停留的業數是比疫情前有多多了一天的時間那我們看到他的消費平均的消費額度是反而是減少是180.67美元 |
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19236.094 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
19262.843 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
所以我們希望就是說在江部觀光署針對就是來台旅客的這個平均日消費額度這個部分我們要進行一些有具體的一個策略然後能夠提高這個在台來台旅客在台停留的業數跟消費的這個金額所以本席在這邊就是希望觀光署能夠提出這個書面報告後的動之那二十五十八案的部分就是 |
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19264.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
19284.122 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
觀光業務向下的這個補助交通作業基金九億六千兩百五十萬元這個預算我們知道這個預算主要也是在補助地方政府就是透過就是提案競爭型的計畫來補助地方就是做一些優化或者是提升地方旅遊環境升級的這個部分 |
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19285.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
19293.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
看到就是說我們對這樣子一個執行計畫也有一個就是績效的一個指標那是以就是說這個當年參訪遊憩區遊客的總數來做一個績效的一個指標那在108年度的時候我們看到這個 |
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19303.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
19310.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
資料統計就是直轄市及縣市幾封景特定區的遊客人次就是有2010萬人2010萬人是一個參考基數那目前我們是設定113年到116年度的預計目標 |
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19319.324 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
19333.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
指是在2010到2100萬就是2100萬旅客人次可是我們看到這個統計的人數在112年度直轄市及縣市及風景特定區實際遊客人次就已經有達到2297萬7千人所以我覺得說你們設定的這個績效指標是不是 |
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19341.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
19366.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
低於這個112年度我覺得這樣子是不合理的啦所以在這個部分本席是提凍結預算9000萬元那希望交通部公安署能夠研議調整這是地方旅遊環境升級計畫的績效指標然後提出一個具體的一個說明然後提出書面報告後時的動之謝謝好徐富奎委員接下來林國成委員 |
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19368.449 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
19387.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
謝謝主席我提出第16到21案還有第56案我想我們對於觀光署業務的推動我們都寄予厚望尤其是希望國外更多的遊客到我們台灣來觀光消費國內的國旅市場也能夠突飛猛進 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
19388.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
19410.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
但是我們看到這個努力的過程裡面我們也有幾點的憂慮所以希望我們觀光署能夠來做一個改善那第一個就是第16案的部分針對我們這個旅宿跟民宿這個住宿的營收去年有呈現一個還是呈現一個衰退的狀況那尤其一後之後我們希望能夠這個所有的旅宿業能夠恢復營運 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
19411.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
19429.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
所以針對這部分我想因為許多的國人對於旅宿業的一個房價跟所謂的一個服務的部分還是有一些負面的一些評價那所以針對我們交通部訂定一個新級旅館的一個品件的要點我們希望能夠做一個能夠再做一個檢視 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
19430.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
19446.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
那實現的部分我想我們進入這個超高齡的一個社會之後我想針對我們有一些退休的一些長者的一些旅遊觀光的一個服務部分我們希望公共署能夠提出一些因應對策那畢竟這個是一個很重要的一個市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
19447.964 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
19474.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
那另外18案的部分剛剛陳儒核心總委員講的我們台灣最近這個露營的活動興起那全台目前有1600多家的露營場但是目前我們知道交通部在111年公布一個露營區的一個管理要點那輔導業者能夠合法的營運但是截至目前只有500多家能夠申請到合法化 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
19475.114 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
19501.416 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
還有大概1000多家沒有提出申請或是不能合法營運我想這個也對於我們一個未來的一個露營的一個油漆的一個品質非常的重要那我們也希望能夠關火水能夠加強來做輔導那另外19案部分對於這個地方旅遊環境的一個提升計畫那我們也是希望這個對於這個風景區的一個參考的一個基礎的部分那個KPI應該重新來檢視過 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
19503.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
19526.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
二十安的部分我想這個有介於這個國外旅客的部分雖然這個我們亞太地區的入境的收入已經達到疫情前的78%但是我跟相較於日韓來比我們還是回復的速度比較緩慢那所以觀光署也應該要積極開發其他國家的一個旅客的一個來源那提升我們一個旅遊一個績效 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
19528.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
19550.058 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
那21案的部分那一樣也是針對我們一個台灣觀光一個政策白筆書的一個落實那希望未來我們希望打造台灣成為一個亞洲旅遊最重要的一個目的地那其實目前我想包含我們的衛視洛杉磯管理學院提出的部分我們的這個觀光收入佔GDP的一個排名我們從2022年的第56名 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
19552.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
19565.115 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
持續下滑到這個2024年第65名那我想這個在委員會的時候也有許多的委員提出一個希望我們觀光署能夠盡盡的一個作為所以以上幾個案子我提出針對觀光業務經過溝通凍結500萬提出書面報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
19569.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
19589.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
那第56案的部分我想國內的旅遊業缺工的一個現象連帶影響到一個國旅的一個住宿跟服務的一個品質那所以這部分我想觀光署也應該要積極跟我們相關部會來溝通協調然後針對怎麼樣的一個旅遊的一個作為要提出一個因應措施尤其是我們整個這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
19591.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
19610.532 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
很多的舊景點的吸引力不足怎麼樣開發新的景點我們結合我們的風景區管理處做出一些新的一個生態旅遊的一個部分我希望能夠提出一個經營作為所以這個部分我也提案要凍結這個補助交通作業基金的一個10%一樣要提出書面報告之後使得動之 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
19612.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
19638.666 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
好謝謝學委員接下來林國成委員好謝謝因為本期提了23萬47案53案55案所以除了23案要刪1000萬以外其他的部分47 53 55都是希望凍結10%那至於刪多少那這裡建議有主席來做裁定我希望最少要刪500萬以上報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
19642.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
19669.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
好 李貫哲委員好 其實我們對交通部各部門都要求經費要謹慎的編列而且要類型尊潔但是我們針對氣象署跟觀光署這是去年我提案升格的兩個重要的部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
19670.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
19684.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
因為第一個氣象署是關係到人民生命財產安全的保障面對極端氣候的衝擊觀光署在過去我就一直要求政府尤其是交通部必須編列更充足的經費在疫情期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
19686.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
19715.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
在相關的國內外旅遊的這樣的一個資源跟經費必須要充足的這樣的一個彈藥資源的補助但是可惜還是稍嫌不足我們看到韓國的觀光公社韓國的觀光的這些計畫的推動以及日本現在二線三線城市不只是一線城市的觀光二線三線也如火如荼的展開他們的觀光課的這樣的一個復甦也明顯可見 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
19716.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
19739.976 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
那我們的力道就是差那麼一點我們的經費一直是不足我一直要求交通部的部長還有署長必須再爭取更多的資源經費來補足那我們在國際競爭之間我們的經費資源是明顯的不足我希望各位在刪減預算的時候必須考慮到國家的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
19741.357 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
19755.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
觀光旅遊的發展以及觀光署對各地方縣市政府補助的重要性那我們來看八字21案八字21案其實就很重要了八字21案是觀光的業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
19756.388 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
19775.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
它主要的編列是要補助地方政府環境旅遊建設計畫就要補助9億6千萬左右還有地方創生也是補助地方政府是3950萬這個補助地方政府的經費就高達10億元以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
19778.017 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
19797.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
而且這些相關的這些住外的僱員薪資辦公室租金基本運作這個經費是8400萬然後我們這些經費要補助地方的我們要去刪嗎各縣市政府呢另外我們對於22至23 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
19801.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
19822.208 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
這個部分我想他是屬於觀光國際事務觀光國際事務其實他的經費編列也都很詳實因為他的觀光國際事務這項經費主要是住外人員住外人力的雇員他的薪資及辦公室的租金及他的運作 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
19824.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
19852.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
這些經費其實我們看他們在113年度的預算是全數執行年度增加主要當然是因為缺額你要補食匯率的成長國外的僱員因為薪資通蓬佩爾外交部調升駐外僱員薪資的標準等等當然也新增加了孟馬雅加達辦事處等經費這個大家都要去確實的考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
19853.447 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
19877.463 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
另外第34到36案是觀光國際事務是大陸地區的旅會那這個都有相似的人員要去多少人或者是這個機票是多少錢都有相似的編列大家也都可以確實的來審視了另外有關於第 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
19880.285 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
19898.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
42到46這個部分也有相關的這個凍結這個等一下觀光署也要來做明確的說明我以上先簡單的這樣報告以上好那在陳卓人委員發言之前我先把我講一講不然你結論一講我就沒辦法講 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
19900.974 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
19918.439 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
還有提四個案子但是第45跟51就參照我們的說明那在口頭補充說明的部分針對於第24案24案的部分這邊提出3.1千萬 凍結10%然後做專案報告最主要的原因是因為其實每一年都在 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
19919.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
19938.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
疫後的這個國際旅客就是外來旅客的一個復甦的一個情況但是看起來在今年並不如預期所以我們覺得感覺沒有非常非常具體的方法那在這種情況之下那我們也看到就在預算的部分是增加了差不多2000萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].start |
19940.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
19955.462 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
比113年那我們就會說但是我是覺得還是要拿出具體的數字出來再增加所以我們希望只增加1000萬然後所以希望幫你調整3減1000萬這是我的用意那第36案最主要是 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
19957.065 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
19983.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
你們的大陸地區的旅費的部分那唯一的不解的原因就是你們這邊特別說是針對於住戶我們因為觀光署有在這個大陸地區辦事處人員相關的一些費用那主要是在我們北京辦事處兩人上海三人福州一人這些人要來往相關的一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
19985.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
19995.073 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
經費是有必要的那如果說是這些人來來去去經費有必要勢必要顯現在113年剛結束的年度結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
19996.711 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
20013.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
讓我沒辦法理解的是13年給你72萬其實經費比較少你們現在編了108萬嘛你們說經費不夠希望能夠給他們來回的更多的一些彈性我可以理解喔如果你們這樣說法落實我是可以支持的可是今年給你72萬你針對這6個人只用了到11月底9.7% |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
20019.437 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
20042.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
我意思說這個預算到底是不是如你所說的是這些六位的很辛苦的我們駐路人員的來來去去如果是他絕對不會到今年到11月你只用10%而已只用七八萬所以就表示這些人其實主要錢根本不是這些錢啊那你現在講的跟做的不一樣嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].start |
20043.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
20059.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
我不知道你聽得懂我意思嗎那如果說不是他們用的是你們想到兩邊要去溝通或怎麼樣那看起來現在溝通的管道比較少所以我們這邊有提出來是只是調整幫你減20萬凍結10%那我針對這兩岸說明陳學生委員公安署這一次審明年度預算是非常緊張的我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
20073.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
20102.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
各組織都充分的跟我們委員去討論但還沒有討論得非常清楚其實我們三檢預算是個手段不是目的我們是希望我們中華民國的觀光能夠發展得更好這很重要我聽了前幾天這兩天賴清德總統有提到說你們應該要去做一些焦慮的談判等等你們都可以嘗試是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].start |
20103.548 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].end |
20132.219 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
雖然大陸現在以前馬英九總統時代是一國兩制嘛其實不是一國兩制啊是...是什麼?他有名稱嗎?兩岸共識啦是兩岸共識嗎?九二共識啦對啦,長大不行啊九二共識九二共識是一個很模糊的空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
20133.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
20148.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
所以在這個模糊的空間裡面兩邊有交流那現在大陸在講一個中國台灣又講說台灣是台灣 中國是中國那這裡面就觸礁了嘛所以談不下去了那老共講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
20151.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
20168.094 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
九二共識我們是一家人那現在是兩家人兩家人我幹嘛要跟你談所以你們要尋這個方向去看看怎麼解套還有出團的部分我記得王國才當部長的時候把團就放了團禁解開了 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].start |
20170.017 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
20182.127 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
後來當然很冒險又收回來了我們就放嘛有什麼關係大陸他是大國他覺得沒有面子是不是不要為了面子在那邊扯 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].start |
20183.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
20201.938 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
那這個預算裡面呢當然署長還有署長底下的這些署長也跟我拜託啦跟我們國民黨黨內的同仁去跟他們說明我也幫你們也出了力了我們是對什麼對你宣傳的部分有意見文宣的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].start |
20203.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].end |
20214.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
還有就是你去越南啦、泰國啦、香港啦你招人來我們花錢去請人家到我們這裡來觀光那你不如把這個錢放在國內 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].start |
20216.186 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
20234.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
促銷去金馬鵬、花蓮、台東啊尤其是個災區嘛對不對去高雄啊或是高雄到台北來啊你在這上面促銷你得把錢去買這個觀光嘛那主要的問題在這裡面我們也希望我們觀光能夠做得很好啊當然這裡面11億多裡面齁 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].start |
20237.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
20245.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
比如說有我們駐外單位比如說大陸啦有北京、上海、福州吧我們還有三個辦事處在外面 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].start |
20248.488 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
20272.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].text |
這些人的薪水,還有在日本、越南這些雇員的薪水也都在這個裡面你如果把這個錢刪的話,將來這些雇員勢必就裁員了嘛北京、上海這些人要裁回來了而且還有,裡面有一些費用在裡面另外還有大概有9億多,你看11億多裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].start |
20273.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].end |
20293.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
有9億多是補助各縣市來發展觀光的所以你們這個要講清楚啊因為你11億其中包含了9億多是各縣市發展觀光的那有一些委員不了解啊你都混在裡面嘛你混在裡面你應該把它區隔把它分開讓他們看得更清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].start |
20294.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
20321.462 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].text |
所以我這個事情跟沛翔委員報告以後沛翔委員他就了解了解以後今天你看他就說砍掉兩千萬不然三點七億多對不對他了解以後也所以你們跟委員之間的互動剛才國城委員在這邊講了很久你們要尊重各個委員我們委員大家都一樣大的沒有年齡大小他們說我來這邊壓力很大其實每個委員都有他的職權 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].start |
20322.763 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
20344.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
我哪能去干涉他們呢對不對只是說我在這邊比較資深一點像困擾委員在這邊比較資深一點我們去跟他講道理講的可能比較會通一點建築體設備建築體設備你公安署不能把建築體設備放在各縣市的風景管理處裡面去喔署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
20346.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
20369.599 |
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你把這個錢你各縣市風景管理處你去蓋建築啊蓋設備啊從原來他們就有機會去弄的話那你這個風景管理處在縣市裡面有什麼作用你只是養了一批人員在那邊說是風景管理處然後在忙著蓋房子你對各縣市政府對各縣市的觀光景點毫無幫助嘛 |
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所以署長我提醒你當然我不會去指名哪個縣市政府啦你特別注意一下好不好你比如說他只有3億你一個建築設備擺了1億多在裡面他的人事費去了1億多那沒錢了嘛你這個署長在那邊幹什麼是不是 |
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所以我想對這個預算我也呼籲我們國民黨黨內的同仁我們盡量就在心仁厚啦我們想放下小走嘛該算的也要算 剛才沛翔委員說三兩千萬等等我覺得這個都很講道理的啦好不好好 以上好 觀光署說明 |
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非常謝謝各位委員的指教那也特別利用這個機會跟大家報告一下今年的預算了114年度預算是公安署成立以來的第一個預算 |
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我們113年度執行的預算是112年度編列的預算112年度編列的預算的時候那時候是國防局所以今年是一個新的開始所以請各位能夠來幫忙為什麼我們很緊張其實是我們真的很想做一點事情我們的預算是各國裡面最少 |
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幾乎算是這些觀光強國裡面我們很希望各位能夠支持我們 |
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那麼我簡單說一句話就是說有幾個大的項目譬如說在這個科目裡面是11億確實在9億多是補助地方政府我們也希望地方政府的亮點能夠更好所以我們也希望能夠透過預算來支持地方政府那地方政府也有做KPI那我想說剛剛魯朝偉特別提到我利用簡短的時間有幾項我就併在一起簡單說明一下 |
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我們的穿裝費 譬如說我們福州 我們大陸是這樣子大陸是兩個辦事處 就是北京跟上海有一個管理站在福州福州的同仁他借零退休所以他12月就要回台灣那我們就要派一個人到福州去那這個穿裝費我們12月的話就預算執行的話就將近72% |
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所以剛剛召委的那個數字跟我們12月就有出入所以有很多的費用他是放在第二季我想說第四季所以我想說很簡單的跟大家報告一下那麼黃委員特別關心有幾個就是旅行社跟航空業的部分這個我們確實也跟民航局跟航空公司有不斷的在溝通還有非法旅宿大家很關心我們也希望 |
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能夠講優太烈我們對合法的部分能夠來全力來支持何委員關心的有三件事我也利用這個機會跟大家報告一下我們原來是好玩卡那我們覺得海玩卡應該是改成區域卡不要是城市卡 |
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所以我們就在轉型的過程中我們也發現在地方上他有些競合的關係所以高雄市他就覺得做得很好他就希望能夠把高雄市的好玩卡能夠擴充區域卡能夠持續所以他仍然叫做南部的好玩卡那中部的好玩卡的話就是台中他不願意做裝那就由南投來做裝 |
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那我們希望他的英文名字叫做Taiwan Pass所以我們這次Taiwan Pass就把它轉型把英文的名字變成一個重要的聯票那我們在高鐵跟台鐵有分開來那台鐵的票已經賣得很好也是有賣了將近一萬八千張那麼高鐵票的是將近八千張那也就是這個套票的部分呢有希望能夠勾選那麼讓大家能夠促進國旅 |
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委員很關心就是透過AI智慧化之後我們也希望把台灣PASS跟TPASS做結合所以我們也希望跟公路局2.0版的TPASS能夠它涉及到一些清分何委員跟我們徐委員都有特別提到露營 |
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那麼露營這個部分我們也希望能夠改善老問題那麼杜絕新問題那這個城鎮市也特別召開一次會議那主要是在水源保護區還有農林墓地的部分我們也解套了那保險的部分我們會持續來做 |
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還有林委員是建議的部分我們真的是補助地方政府所以我們還是希望林委員您會不要刪除這個刪的預算對我們來講就是很多在業務推動上確實有點為難那陳昭偉希望我們有更好的KPI我們確實也重新檢討尤其是地方的那個景區景點他有做微調譬如說範圍變大 |
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或是他覺得有新的景點我們也同意他們做微調所以這個部分我們也會滾動式檢討那徐委員也特別提醒到新籍旅館的部分我們覺得新籍旅館浩克的民宿我還是繼續推所以我們這件事情我們會加大力道來做處理 |
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那麼地方的景區跟這個國際旅客的開源也非常謝謝大家的指教那我們就按照各位委員的意見我們逐步來擴大尤其我們舊景點的不足確實需要能夠重新整頓 |
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那我們也配合像今年的話在台南我們就配合台南做一些改變也包括了它的運河那我們今年已經算今年了今年在桃園所以我們就希望桃園的這些景點海岸線能夠做一些改變所以我們也有在精神型的計畫裡面來支持他們 |
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那再次非常謝謝昆哲委員的支持確實有一次我跟算去年啦我跟這個泰國的這個局長來談光總局局長在談的時候他們的預算都是幾乎換我們的七倍了所以我們在預算上來講是非常尊潔然後也希望各位委員能夠併案然後是不是可以讓我們來補充說明用凍結的方式也拜託召委謝謝 |
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好那這樣這個這個案子因為案量大所以討論蠻久的齁那剛剛那個我想刪除的委員剛剛有凝聚一下意見啦齁說呃不要刪那麼多刪除大概兩千萬左右了齁那這可以接受嗎那個可以差不多嗎齁 |
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那這樣好不好因為觀光署第一年的預算啦那我想各縣市的一個補助我們都有啦那這個部分但是我要拜託啦我們的委員其實一路支持你是你們觀光署的一個工作的夥伴 |
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但你在地方很多觀光活動好像跟委員都沒有連結也不必通知你知道嗎我們一回到地方哇都是議員做的委員跟委員沒有關係我是覺得第一個跟地方的觀光的補助你要讓在地委員真的要知道大家共榮你做得好 |
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也是我們的一個榮耀好像都跟我們沒有關係你補助我覺得應該跟各區的在地的委員一定要通知那委員有一些比較特色的活動觀光的這個部分他協助你們推動的時候我也希望你們要優先的幫忙好不好那我們就3.1千萬 |
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基隆的活動要稍微注意一下基隆活動我們來調整然後我們所有的處長都在還有組長都在就三點整體三點一千萬然後科目自行調整周偉周偉 沛翔委員有意見沛翔委員你說一下 |
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其實剛剛學霸跟我溝通他從昨天開始跟我溝通這個是這個案子不然今天我會堅持716我會堅持716因為老實說當我們國內的旅遊大家都在這邊叫苦連天的時候然後我們還花錢去補助國外東南亞的人進來這邊那我覺得他們東南亞我也不想去講那麼多細節說他們到底花多少錢歐美花多少錢日本花多少錢我們都不要去談那些 |
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光這一點後來學霸一直跟我講這個11億2000萬裡面有他說9億6是地方政府地方政府不是地方政府的那中間他們真的能動的只有8000好那我說我先算到2000到1000我是覺得真的不好意思我有點蘇長2000萬也沒問題因為因為我們幾個也聊了很久了因為趙偉他是主席嘛我們談面前聊了很久了 |
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因為沛翔委員、建豪委員我們幾個還有弄花委員因為這裡本來要刪了很多嘛是說兩千萬 因為 召委對不起啦剛才你宣布了 但是我們因為沛翔委員有意見你沒有聽到可不可以處理一下 |
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給我一分鐘其實如果你本來看我刪除的預算其實不止716加起來可能到9億左右是整個科目的9億左右因為我覺得很多東西我無法了解就是這樣子我無法了解為什麼會去這樣去編 |
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那其他你們後來你們辦公室有跟我們辦公室解釋過很多所以很多是凍結10%很多凍結5%很多變組決議都OK就那716的時候後來學霸跟我解釋很久好決定那從8000萬裡面真的你們真的業務會用8000萬裡面減2000 |
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我們現在這樣好不好 精準刪除啦大家都挺國內的補助嘛那我們就刪除的項目是這個22案到32案所謂的觀光國際事務費用的8792萬三減這個項目向下三減兩千萬報告 報告趙委員這樣我們沒辦法執行沒辦法執行 |
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不是因為你正好比去年增加兩千萬就觀光業務的部分就讓他們自行調整啦國際觀光都已經很不夠了你就自行調整啦 |
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好 希望能夠科目自行調整是不是好 那我來就是按照我們的委員的一個建議第8到61案第二幕觀光業務相關的費用11億2209萬餘元 |
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我們處理方式如下 3減2000萬 凍結10% 提供書面說明 使得凍結科目自行調整可以嗎 好 |
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好那另外是針對於這第二幕嘛第二幕部分我們測案第二期案測案改組決議有下列個案第40案42案49案52案54案57案60案等案改組決議好各位委員朋友不同意見好那我們繼續來處理62到90案第三幕 |
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國家風景區開發與管理業務總金額336,840萬有沒有提案委員要補充說明的好 陳志偉 趙偉 徐副國務委員好 謝謝主席我的比較簡單第76案我就改主決議 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝謝謝主席我提出第六四案那我想剛剛大家很熱烈討論觀光署的業務那我個人因為我們屏東縣這邊有大鵬灣管理處跟茂林管理處那我自己的感覺是說過去我們當然國家風景區的責任是推廣觀光 |
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但是事實上在他們的這個轄區裡面我們現在面臨的也有很多的生態保育跟一個觀光推展要變重的一些項目那我覺得我們觀光署的同仁應該也要體認這樣的一個時代不一樣的變遷尤其是像小琉球也好或是墾丁也好 |
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現在水的時代變現小琉球非常的夯但是我們看到過去的垃圾跟污水的處理上面我們也希望我們盆管處這邊應該要積極來跟所謂相關部會來協調應該要超前部署去處理這些的問題那茂林的部分我們也是希望未來針對我們原民的文化還有產業輔導部分能夠給予更多的一些資源的挹注那所以我想我們提出凍結國家風雲去開發 |
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以及管理費的預算1%也是希望我們的所有的觀光署的同仁我們大家能夠更精進作為然後尤其是整個對觀光跟生態的推廣部分給予更多的一個力道謝謝 |
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好那我個人也有提案啦我們提案的話第74案最主要我們桃園這邊北橫國家風景區其實已經談了非常非常久了你們的回應大概一直沒有進度吧另外還有新北市他有一個區塊他也想成立國家風景區但我覺得這個案子還是病案要討論因為跨 |
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縣市兩個直轄市你們總是要開個會看看大家的意願然後有沒有共同的一個方向然後你們來協助處理我們希望有一些傳遞我們委員關心的聲音好不好好陳雪森委員現在時間是2點24分剛才我們底下也做過協商啦大概就不發言了配項委員刪減的跟林國成委員刪減的部分我們就不刪了好不好好 |
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因為前面已經散了嘛,前面剛才已經廣泛討論,而且署長也做充分的說明,好不好,為了節省時間,好不好,稍微裡面做,欸,民進黨委員沒意見,明天請你做財事,好不好,OK |
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好 那沛昌委員這邊沒有 OK了那我們這邊就也不用說了就是你書面說明好了好不好我們這邊第三幕因為國家風景區我們希望我們都一直說要弄得更好吸引不管是國內國外的旅客希望你更好所以我們在這裡面就沒有沒有沒有刪除了用凍結的方式 |
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21268.146 |
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21295.988 |
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好第六涉到90案第三目國家風景區開發與管理我們處理方式是凍結10%請對委員的意見來書面說明好接下來一樣第三目來宣告一下以下個案改組決議 |
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21318.914 |
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第六三案、六十六案、六七案、六八、六九、七十、七一、七二、八一、八二、八三、八四、八五、八六、八八、第九十案等案改組決議還有七十六案七十六案沒念到也是改組決議 |
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21322.691 |
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21330.124 |
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好沒有問題我們就接下來處理到主決議了嗎好接下來處理決議案好91到106案請各位委員翻開91案 |
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好91案觀光署91案我們遵照辦理好91案照案通過92案遵照辦理92案照案通過93案遵照辦理93案照案通過94案文字修正那提書面報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].start |
21371.807 |
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21387.428 |
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委員已經同意了謝謝崑澤委員這邊委員有同意那我們就是修正文字通過第95案專照辦理95案交案通過96案感謝若華委員我們改成書面報告謝謝 |
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21389.43 |
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21417.96 |
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好 修正文字後通過第九七案 遵照辦理九七案 照案通過九十八案 遵照辦理九十八案 照案通過九九案 遵照辦理九九 九九案 照案通過一百案 遵照辦理一百案 照案通過一百零一案 遵照辦理一百零一 照案通過一百零二也謝謝游委員 我們他也同意改成書面報告專案改成書面是 |
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21424.488 |
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21431.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].text |
好102案修正文字或通過103案遵照辦理103案召喚通過104遵照辦理104案召喚通過105案謝謝召委那我們就改書面好 |
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21444.335 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].end |
21459.381 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
文字修正後通過106遵照辦理106案照案通過好我們觀光署及所屬單位預算處理完畢 接下來處理觀光發展基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].start |
21470.484 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].end |
21471.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
休息三分鐘喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].start |
21500.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].end |
21500.975 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
OK,好 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].start |
21530.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
21557.995 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
響鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].start |
21560.874 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
21560.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
蜂蜜 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].start |
21583.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
21599.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
對啊,我這邊超多都是他們的那個...沒問題,那個...速發部有發言就好因為剛才跟雪爸討論一下,他說...他說沒有差不多一百塊的獎勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].start |
21606.657 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].end |
21607.518 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
三年有超過一百萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].start |
21625.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].end |
21627.321 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
我們下次就再提高經濟了下次以後啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].start |
21656.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].end |
21657.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].text |
今天沒有看到人 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
21691.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
21700.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
好 大家請就座剛剛那個2000萬自行調整 有宣告了 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].start |
21701.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].end |
21723.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].text |
接下來我們來處理交通部觀光發展基金114年度附屬單位預算請各位參照建議併案及預算表我們開始處理第一案第一案林國成委員已經改組決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].start |
21729.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].end |
21753.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].text |
沒問題好接下來處理第二至五案何委員批發試案有跟何委員協調嗎都已經跟何委員報告因為都是凍結案凍結案那就請你提供詳細的說明第二到五案業務成本與費用 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].start |
21757.355 |
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21786.277 |
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我們就是凍結10%提供書面報告時的凍資沒問題吧是不過剛剛第一案還在宣告一下第一案勞務收入改組決議好沒問題接下來處理6到15案勞務成本勞務成本的部分有沒有委員要補充說明徐副委員嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].start |
21788.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
21815.183 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
李昆哲委員沒有好大家不要說我就直接處理好我們來看一看整個徐副國務委員要補充說明嗎改動節1000萬改動節1000萬了好好好李昆哲好謝謝有關我們貿易物成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
21817.463 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].end |
21839.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].text |
這個勞務成本應該他主要是辦理各風景區的清潔維護保全場域的巡查人力遊覽解說連續假日交通維運還有設備折舊補助地方政府環境旅遊建設升級還是不是包含這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].start |
21842.042 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].end |
21848.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].text |
所以我們景區的部分還包括了地方的有4.97億我看你們112年度的執行數是31.33億 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].start |
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21887.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].text |
那114年度有主要有增加是因為你們要補助地方政府嘛環境旅遊建設升級計畫要增加3.24億嘛這個補助地方政府很重要以上好 謝謝 謝謝委員那剛剛那個國城委員那邊就好像免稅嘛我就趕動捷我代表國城委員趕動捷500萬好不好好我代表他我代表他好不好OK可以啦 莊委你人才是吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].start |
21889.246 |
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21911.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].text |
我們來處理一下6到15萬勞務成本的部分我們日採凍結10%提供書面報告時的通知有沒有問題哪裡 前面有通案嗎就勞務成本啊 |
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21913.304 |
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21921.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].text |
5萬是最大案就是2到5萬其實是整個勞務成本跟業務費用加總好那這邊再凍結5%了謝謝凍結5%填充書面報告使得動之好接下來處理16到48案有沒有提案委員要補充說明徐副委員 |
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21943.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].end |
21954.122 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].text |
謝謝主席我提16到第18案16案就新集旅館部分就請觀光組這邊再研議辦理17案改組決議18案的部分我想針對國內職業的導遊跟領隊的人數有下降的一個趨勢我們也擔心後續旅遊產業人才的供需狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].start |
21968.05 |
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21988.948 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].text |
避免一個產業缺工的情形那所以我們經過溝通提案凍結業務費用一千萬元那請觀光署能夠針對這樣一個旅行產業一個人才培育一個幽營提升的部分要提出一個相關的書面報告 使得動之 謝謝好 謝謝許委員接下來有提案委員要補充說明嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].start |
21994.161 |
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22018.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].text |
好那我個人提案有幾個案子第22案主要是去這個大陸地區的旅費那你們這邊也放了嘛齁那加上之前的是火力這麼強啊兩邊加起來剛剛其實也沒什麼沒什麼山欸有沒有需要這麼多啦因為現在沒有什麼聯絡啊有聯絡 |
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22021.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].end |
22030.058 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].text |
我知道 我知道剛剛已經添了一條了他們有單位在大陸 不夠 不夠不夠啊我知道我知道 這個不要去碰他啦這個我主張 我建議不要去碰他 |
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22030.99 |
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22054.639 |
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好那就我提這個案子最主要是很需要可是奇怪啊執行率112年2.5%執行率所以你不要辜負了委員的期待因為你錢根本沒用非常需要但是113年到目前為止執行4.1%就簡單來講就是我錢給你了委員在那邊講錢給你了 |
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22056.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].end |
22075.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].text |
兩百萬幾百萬就用不到十萬然後明年繼續編這個部分我覺得你們要讓支持你們的委員不要失望你們因為剛剛審這個預算跟預算你們其實執行率都沒有很高啦你們我覺得要做一個說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].start |
22077.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].end |
22098.576 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].text |
那我後面還有兩岸那請參閱我的書面說明好那還有沒有補充意見那我們就來我們觀光署要不要補充說明針對有要刪除的部分優先要不要來講一下這個要拜託委員這個部分我們大概因為都是核實在執行 |
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22099.116 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].end |
22110.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].text |
那我們現在也是希望能夠促進一些交流所以這些費用還是麻煩能夠如期來編列那我們是不是允許我們用凍結的方式來提書面書面報告黃金華委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].start |
22119.557 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].end |
22140.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].text |
好,谢谢赵伟我提38案那其实38案跟之前那个交通部你们对不起,观光署本部预算是类似一样的事情就想推展为了要促进这个来台旅客人次那不管是在你们的本署预算里面在这个基金里面我想问一下因为我也是提冻结而已我也没有三一预算但是要我要知道说 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].start |
22141.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].end |
22167.876 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].text |
本來是預計一千兩百萬人那你們現在下修那我想問一下那2025年開始的那你們這些錢給你們那你們的目標數是多少因為這樣才辦法我們明年省一算所以你剛剛講一年是現在第一年嘛那好過去都不算了現在第一年送預算進來那你今年做完之後我們這些不管是本屬預算還是這個基金預算出去之後那你預計你這個推展費也花這麼多錢去推展去各地去等於去擺攤去去攬客嘛 |
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22168.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].end |
22188.125 |
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跟補助也好或怎麼樣也好那你希望你2025年的目標是多少我們的規劃是1000萬那跟委員報告下他有分兩個部分一個是自由行一個是團客旅遊那因為現在的整個疫情之後的自由行非常的興盛所以我們就是2025年這一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].start |
22189.285 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].end |
22208.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].text |
我們優先在歐洲的阿姆斯特丹跟美國的西雅圖我們優先設台灣觀光旅客的服務分處也就是我們所謂的TTIC就是Taiwan Tourism Information Center |
| transcript.whisperx[845].start |
22208.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].end |
22221.002 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].text |
那麼我們也希望能夠把握這個澳洲所以我們澳洲雪梨在明年的上半年也會來設這個台灣觀光的遊客中心還有我們會預估在9月份來設這個孟買的辦事處 |
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22224.787 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].end |
22244.778 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].text |
就是印度的辦事處那這個部分呢就是我們要達標啊還是需要能夠擴大這個所謂的飲客圈所以我們的目標是除了既定的顧本之外我們希望能夠擴大北美市場跟所謂的這個所謂的4到8小時的這個飛行的航行的這個範圍 |
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| transcript.whisperx[847].end |
22270.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].text |
所以相關的這個措施還是會透過這個旅展透過所謂的這個相關的優惠措施還是要有譬如說我們鼓勵包機能夠到我們一些其他的行下來還有我們會有海外的這些所謂的宣傳推廣會還有所謂的這個社群網站的這個行銷以上簡單的跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].start |
22274.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].end |
22300.105 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].text |
好 那相關的說明這個包括委員跟我們署裡面都有說明但我其實對於你們那個新籍旅館的評鑑歷年來你們定的目標都是90到100間但是現在評鑑 像今年大概只有39間就是也沒有達標 那要不要用這麼多錢我是覺得很奇怪第二個 你這麼多的研究計畫 第32案 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].start |
22302.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].end |
22329.186 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].text |
你這麼多的一個研究計畫其實我們最知道你的計畫然後有沒有落實在觀光旅遊改善的一個情況我們覺得關聯性我個人覺得關聯性很低啦不斷去分析不斷的研究觀光政策弄完之後就每年一千多萬我是覺得是有固定的單位在等著接這個案子然後研究一下統計一下就丟出來我的感覺是這樣所以我想說這個的部分啦還是針對於我看 |
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22356.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].text |
針對這個委託計劃好這個部分我們來做一個刪減好了好不好第32案跟委員報告一下我們要再精準投放我們還是需要有一些調查的分析啦那這個部分呢說實在的我們的調查分析的這個還希望能夠委員支持可能我們平常讓委員這個感受不到 |
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22384.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].text |
我們除了這個我可以簡單的說明我們如果在國外的分析裡面如果不夠到位我們沒辦法做精準投放而且我們說實在在疫情之後我們更希望能夠掌握更多的資訊就是旅遊客他在來到台灣或者是我們國內的旅遊能夠更掌握更多的資訊來做回饋那這個就是我們在做調研的一個觀光分析的一個非常重要的一個要件 |
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22414.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].text |
所以這個部分還是麻煩委員支持好 李崑哲委員好 謝謝昭偉那這些相關的委託調查相關的研究計畫其實是很重要 尤其是觀光旅遊的推動那我們知道我們生病了 去看醫生醫生很重要 護理師很重要但是醫檢師所提供的數據是作為醫病的一個最重要的參考依據的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[853].end |
22443.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].text |
那我們相關有關於國際觀光相關的旅遊產業的推動就誠如周署長剛才所言我們不管是這種旅遊的狀況的調查分析或者是市場的趨勢研究或是產業人才的供需調查或者是數位觀光價值的未來發展各種資訊系統資安的研究等等 |
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22444.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].end |
22463.736 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].text |
這些都是像醫檢師所提供的數據才知道你三雙肝油脂高不高知道你的血糖數高不高這個都是很重要的一個觀光旅遊這個數據的分析投注是很重要的一個參考依據我是建議不要刪啦 |
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22466.224 |
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22482.81 |
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好的那我們現在針對於第16萬到第48案的部分那這個部分當然各委員到最後會需要針對於相關的議題提出書面報告那我們業務的費用44億0536萬餘元這個部分綜合所有委員的一個提案從幾百萬到2億他們折衷一下3減5000萬 |
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22493.561 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].end |
22504.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].text |
3.5千萬 凍結18然後提供書面報告 使得動之各位有沒有其他意見委員沒意見齁 不行啦好好好 署長 署長有意見來你再講一下44億才5千萬而已 |
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22520.546 |
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22543.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].text |
喔好 那這樣好了這樣好了啦 因為委員提這麼多啦 我們來處理一下3.2千萬啦 米科目自行調整調整啦 好不好 凍結10%每位委員問的問題 你還是要給各位專業回答好不好 他們同意啦 沒問題啦那我再宣告一下針對於16到48案業務費用 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].start |
22546.604 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].end |
22562.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].text |
我們處理方式如下3減2000萬凍結10%然後科目自行調整提供書面報告使得動之好沒有問題我們繼續處理好剛剛這個階段改組決議的有兩案17案跟第22案改為組決議主席還有我的第46案也改為組決議好第46案也改為組決議 |
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22578.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].end |
22588.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].text |
然後審完了嗎好我們接下來處理決議案我們審理組決議請各位委員翻到第49案 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].start |
22605.253 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].end |
22626.568 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].text |
好第49案有沒有問題遵照辦理好 照案通過第50案遵照辦理50案照案通過51案謝謝蘇越召委就是我們文字修正提書面報告好51案修正文字後通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].start |
22630.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].end |
22657.334 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].text |
額文字什麼修啊加書面書面就是專案改書面是不是專案改書面喔喔書面這樣提出書面報告加兩個字好第52案遵照辦理52案照案通過53案就召會協助改書面報告 |
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22660.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].end |
22664.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].text |
交通作業基金我們處理完畢我們做後續宣告 |
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22741.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].end |
22764.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].text |
好 謝謝各位委員今天協商完成做以下宣告一 今日協商結論免於宣讀授權議事人員整理作為決議列入記錄第二 委員要求提供之書面報告及相關資料請相關機關盡速以書面答覆第三 如有委員對於提案補簽列入記錄並刊登公報 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].start |
22771.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].end |
22794.104 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].text |
村長委員的46案他的助理有跟我們反映就是說他已經改成第49案所以要不要再跟村長委員再確認一下46案就不處理就是改成第49案的主決議再跟他確認一下好了可能那個村長委員不知道但他助理有跟我們這是基金嗎對這基金基金的部分所以他的助理有告訴我們46跟46 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].start |
22798.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].end |
22822.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].text |
好我們在這裡先確認一下齁稍微精確一點這邊邱若驊委員在現場因為這個助理有特別說明你在這個剛剛審議的觀光發展基金裡面有提案的46案預算案嘛策案直接改成49案的主決議好沒問題吧好 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].start |
22828.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].end |
22836.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].text |
好另外針對本日會議做以下決議一本日預算審查結果照列暫照列或 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].start |
22838.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].end |
22864.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].text |
照協商結論通過第二本日通過的舉願意文字授權主席及議事人員調整第三114年度社會發展部中華郵政公司觀光署及所屬觀光發展基金預算案均審查完畢第四本會主審之114年度中央政府總預算案 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].start |
22866.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].end |
22884.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].text |
關於公務預算部分附屬單位預算營業及非營業部分均與審查完略並決議如下第一有關公務預算正識別稅出預算隨同以上機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].start |
22886.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].end |
22897.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].text |
以機關別審查結果調整第二分別擬據公務預算附屬單位預算之營業及非營業部分審查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].start |
22898.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].end |
22926.546 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].text |
含富財政委員會提報院會討論第三院會討論前需交由政黨協商院會討論時由本會魯昭吉委員明哲及陳昭吉委員數月出席說明請問各位委員對於以上的決議有無異議好沒有異議通過大家辛苦了本次會到此結束現在散會謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].start |
22927.607 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].end |
22927.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].text |
好 |