| IVOD_ID |
164376 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164376 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-20T10:30:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-20T10:41:54+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:22 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/03f010abd9bb8d1bf1ab932f1d5636c888348e19566c842c83c966d97180d5d2ef73f5eace86becf5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:30:32 - 10:41:54 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席來宣布我們到鄭天才委員詢問結束之後我們休息三分鐘謝謝主席 請主委好 我們再請主委 |
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委員長主委你是很有名的經濟學者謝謝謝謝謝謝當過這個中經院的這個院長對啊主席我拿鏡子沒問題你不用緊張啦你是很專業的而且你現在到了這個位置我們台灣的這個政治啊有碰到兩個非常嚴重的問題一個就是政治凌駕的這個專業你有專業啊所以我們希望來的你來的以後不只國發會我們整個國家的這個體制運作 |
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專業可以上來這是一個第二就是因為政治性太強了所以我們現在政府螺絲釘掉滿地我希望你要扮演國發會很重要的角色包括以前研考會已經納到你們這個國發會裡面了對不對現在政府的研考做得老實講有些地方還要再加強一點我希望你進來以後要把那個螺絲釘栓得更緊一點我現在跟你談兩個很具體的個案一個就是台灣Plus一個就是零日供給的這個投資了 |
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台灣Plus是為了讓世界看到台灣它是一個中長期的計畫8年要花我們人民納稅錢98億 將近100億結果它出了什麼樣的問題績效不彰 甚至連定位都不明了所以它是施政目標迷航了現在只有國發會趕快把羅斯汀穿緊可以把他這個迷航救回來我給大家看一下 |
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在2025年 上一張來2025年的時候2025年的6月5號天下雜誌做了一個專題報導 他說台灣Plus他的組織文化編輯採訪切滑的台灣觀念定位不明 左邊這個左邊這一位是台灣Plus英國籍的 |
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高層叫艾永青這個事情鬧得非常大他在上個月啊他本來在台灣發展得非常好 薪水很高的喔他在上個月買了一張單程的機票他就回英國去了他說我永遠離開台灣了他提了兩個點也是非常重要的他說啊 包括台灣Plus |
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新聞遭受到政治的干擾非常嚴重而且我們台灣還有媒體的公共討論見區極端他說他本來對台灣是非常熱愛的我們台灣的這個公共的這個論壇討論啊是非常理性而且非常熱情的可是現在變成一個極端了所以他就回英國去這兩個問題都非常非常嚴重那為什麼會這麼嚴重我們來找這個病因好不好來我們看下一張 |
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他的問題出在哪邊他本來是一個要發展國際數位傳播計劃對不對這個是經過國發會審議行政院核定的計劃好 主委現在來到你的專業了他沒有任何的量化指標你會怕這個對不對這多嚴重一個事情政府用人民納稅錢將近 |
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將近100億結果他的施政的這個目標裡面要怎麼達到他的成績單怎麼樣有具體的量化指標沒有來先看左邊110年的時候到113年他提出從那八大這個議題的這個績效諸位一個 |
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連一個量化的指標都沒有就是我要做到什麼 你說你要做到多少成功我們人民納稅錢給你的 你要有什麼樣的計畫達到什麼樣的這個目標一個都沒有這個以前的國發會跟行政院出了問題文化部也出了問題到了今年114年到117年又花40億結果八項變成兩項更嚴重的我給大家看一個 |
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審計部啊 在去年的2月份審計部跳出來了他說你施政一定要先有計畫 對不對有一個很具體的指標嘛 量化的指標嘛竟然都沒有連審計部都講話了結果後來文化部說他自己要訂我發現一個大問題了他訂了以後 |
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非常的不明確來注意我給你看一個東西很重要行政院所屬各機關中長程個案計畫編審的這個要點就是說你要用人民的納稅錢你國家往前有進步的就像台灣plus你要發展國際的世衛傳播好那你的計畫目標你一定要具體的說明而且盡量要產出型或者是成果效益型的指標就是要一個量化的指標嘛結果都沒有 |
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這是不是國化會現在應該加強的地方所以對不對是不是馬上要做檢討的地方對因為跟委員跟委員報告說這一個案子是我們的那個百億基金的一職那是由文化部來負責那文化部他自己本身有有一個管理委員會在在在做那基本上由影視局進行徵選 |
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主委不好意思我今天本來應該很尊重你讓你把話講完不過因為時間很有限我提醒一個事情不要把責任推給文化部文化部做該做的現在更嚴重我現在跟你講更重要的我說為什麼你的位置這麼重要我們大家對你有期待國發會的角色一定要充分發揮我今天講的是非常具體的你看要盡量以產出型跟成果效益型為指標要有量化的指標 |
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這個就是你要做的事情了可是國發會到現在沒有做我現在具體的要求你回去重新去檢討好不好要求文化部跟台灣Plus你用人民納稅錢100億喔目前出了這麼多問題你是學經濟的嘛對不對你現在把它這個量化的指標把它很具體的寫出來你到底要達成什麼目標而且要快我跟你講我現在審預算對不對 |
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立法院審議算一定先看到計畫嘛看他到底要達成多大的這個量化的這個目標嘛對不對這個東西現在沒有那這樣台灣帕拉斯今年的議狀我就沒辦法審喔好不好我們會跟文化部討論就是說怎麼樣來來進進這一個部分各位我今天只是舉這個例子更重要的現在政府螺絲釘掉滿地就是你現在要把那個螺絲釘要栓緊我今天提的是一個辦法如果是中長期的 |
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你就要合乎量化的指標好不好你來了以後我希望台灣的政府是有改變的這會努力 好不好好 另外一個也是很重要的這個寧日公籍為你國發基金出的 投資的用了人民的納稅錢啦1.1億每次有事情發生是國發會出去了出現了一堆問題出現了一堆問題 |
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我從五月份開始追這個十月份我還請你們給我一個內容的說明結果你們要踢給文化部 就跟你剛剛講的是一樣的 |
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第一個不要踢啤酒好不好這是一個不要文化部踢給國泡會國泡會又踢回去要勇於去認識好不好特別是文化部講得很清楚他說他實施了一段時間以後他一定會把案子送到你們這邊來這個成果會送到你這邊嘛對不對你把這個成果好好地檢視一下好不好好來我們看一下凌日供給出了什麼問題 |
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第一 人民納稅錢1.1億然後呢 影視權威啊他這個 他就平分啦 十分是八分結果出現啦 各位你看 高達八級就只有第一三分 |
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這是非常前衛的 當然那個鄭克爽鄭克爽現在出來有一點在開玩笑跟消遣他說現在清秒都去灌那個分數啦分數有稍微高一點點不過大概是4到5最嚴重是因為我們人民那麼多人納稅錢收視率那麼差 這是一個更嚴重的方恩格 這是一個非常有名的政論評論家他說什麼來我們看他怎麼講寧日公集最後竟然是以步槍擊退 |
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大陸的解放軍的艦隊跟艦隊你記性怎麼編到這麼遠 收視率又差然後呢一堆都是力營的導演 力營的相關的力友友得力然後呢黑熊學院的得力欸 連這個攻擊裡面還出現黑熊學院在幫忙訓練民防 |
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你這樣怎麼對得起人民呢那你從國發基金出去每一分錢都是人民的納稅錢耶好不好 所以指委請針對零日供給這個事情我覺得應該應該要好好做一個檢討包括以後你們要投資上次那個劉指委有答應我了以後不要以後投資是投資公司不要去投資單獨的 |
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一個句好不好我這上次有答應我的你要做就不能改革好不好最後我用大概30秒時間那個強化國發基金的監督 |
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我們台灣民眾黨有那時候特別發起所以在立法院裡組成的國發基金有沒有產生弊案的這個調查委員會這個調查報告已經出來了諸位請你跟國發會的同仁好看一看好不好那我知道你非常有理想色彩你在拜訪我的時候你有想你要做一部分的改革我們今天時間有限好不好 |
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你給我一份報告一個禮拜好不好把你準備在國發基金怎麼監督不要再產生弊案不要再浪費我們人民的納稅錢了另外已經產生過弊案了包括聯合再生如昕你怎麼解決我知道你有做的功課啦一個禮拜你給我一份報告好不好 |
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那針對我剛講的前面那兩個非常嚴重的你趕快把他救回來不要讓他迷航了大概一個禮拜請跟文化部號討論一下做一個比較看你要怎麼把他抓回來正途好不好一定要有具體的量化的這個數據好不好那零四公集這個以後怎麼去改你大概一個禮拜給我一份報告可以嗎好 謝謝主委 加油謝謝 |