| IVOD_ID |
16435 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16435 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-31 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-2-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期第15次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期第15次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-31T08:29:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-31T15:13:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
06:43:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a60959c01767a25197274d503f9c4523e57122ed645e3f9bcfe668c267b1e2d69b4f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-31T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第15次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院司法及法制委員會報告併案審查委員廖偉翔等18人、委員楊瓊瓔等21人分別擬具「揭弊者保護法草案」、委員林月琴等17人擬具「公益揭弊者保護法草案」、委員洪孟楷等22人擬具「揭弊者保護法草案」、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「公益揭弊者保護法草案」、委員徐巧芯等19人擬具「揭弊者保護法草案」及委員吳宗憲等19人擬具「公益揭弊者保護法草案」案等27案。 二、12月27日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 三、12月31日下午5時至6時為處理臨時提案時間。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:29:58 - 15:13:00 |
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首先我們必須承認這個揭弊機制的一個重要性真正善良的揭弊者勇敢的站出來揭露不法的行為對社會正義公平其實它有重大的意義但是倘若被揭弊者也可能會是處於弱勢的一個地位如果是被同行惡性競爭利用揭弊作為手段那麼對被揭弊者將造成無法恢復的傷遇損失 |
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1890.842 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].end |
1896.242 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].text |
我再次澄清上個禮拜其實我們聽到國民黨一直在說民進黨沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].start |
1897.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].end |
1926.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].text |
沒有遞出我們的版本我以第8條的版本來說其實第8條最後修正之後的版本其實國民黨、民眾黨就是按照民進黨提出的版本做修正民進黨已經有提出相關的一個版本而且是修正動議並不是沒有任何的版本比方說在第8條原本國眾兩黨的版本是一 |
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1927.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
1951.608 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].text |
自知悉時間期6個月的時序但是卻少了第二點自損害發生起的第二年的一個補充而這樣子的一個設計可能導致爭議難以有效的一個解決甚至讓有一些人在10年之後才聲稱我才剛知道使得相關的單位跟當事人陷入長期的不確定性 |
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1952.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
1978.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
所以在國眾兩黨你們的版本混亂的一個狀況之下東漏西漏就硬闖關三讀通過在這裡我嚴正的抗議民進黨有提出版本我舉例第8條就是國眾兩黨最後依照民進黨的版本通過的好 謝謝郭議員的發言接下來請林俊憲委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
1979.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
1981.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
林靜萱委員不發言、范雲委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
1997.269 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
2013.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
大家好我想公益揭弊法本黨已經多次表達它的用意良好尤其是在之前的一些職場霸凌事件之後就是各種媒體或是立委接到的爆料之後我們認為公益揭弊法 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
2014.068 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
2039.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
能夠通過是一件好事但是這過程中有非常多的不當的言論需要駁斥第一個就是所謂的民進黨版沒有版本剛剛郭育晴委員已經說了民進黨作為執政黨非常負責任的提出版本但是問題是後來不被擁有政黨協商提出的機會即使如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
2040.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
2066.402 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
在第8條所信是依照民進黨版的版本通過第二個我們也看到立法院非常少見的林月琴委員她有版本但是她對她的版本的條文不滿意她想要收回重提的時候卻在程序委員會裡面被不當阻撓我想這樣子沒有政黨協商不讓民進黨版的版本出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
2067.102 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
2094.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
然後不讓個別的委員將法案撤回修正的惡例希望不要再有最後謝謝大家在過程中把我們的版本我們的理念說清楚那希望全國的民眾能夠一起揭弊特別是民眾黨的委員們自己政黨要自己揭弊以上謝謝謝謝范雲委員的發言接下來陳莊瑞雄委員請發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
2110.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
2116.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
謝謝主席各位在場的媒體朋友上個禮拜我們看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
2118.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
2132.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
《揭弊者法案》通過以後這兩位朋友很開心在議場裡面拍照、留念好像是做了一件對台灣社會很重大的事情其實這部法律通過以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
2133.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
2148.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
讓人感到難過的是說本來可以通過一部組裝非常善良的車車上帶著人民的一個期待跟進步的一個立法繼續來往前衝可是在這個修法的過程裡面我跟大家報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
2150.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
2171.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
每一個條文我相信我們在院會我們這麼多的同仁裡面我是唯二從頭到尾每一個條文參與討論的一位每一個條文我幾乎都有好幾問像這一部法令你七個版本三個修正案兩個再修正案還有對於整個修正的一個更正 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
2172.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
2198.763 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
最後我們本來是看到藍白的一個版本然後夾雜著林月琴委員的版本可是第一個條文通過的是誰是林月琴委員的他的第8條我們在委員會裡面藍白硬把它組裝成第7條所以林委員也不用難過你算是這部法令的一個先知我們覺得很遺憾的就是說我們提出了很多問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
2200.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
2222.357 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
各位委員其實可以好好去想一想你去看看第7條裡面受理揭弊機關為了證據的保全可以向法院申請扣押但是你扣押的主體到底是機關還是調查人你執行扣押的程序到底是什麼你受理機關碰到的弊案可以申請自己扣押自己的證物嗎那這些啊都沒有人解釋提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
2225.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
2250.196 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
要這樣的一個立法的人你也解釋不出一個所以然所以沒有集思廣益啊然後到最後台灣民眾的版本又被你做...謝謝莊銳雄委員的發言接下來請王逸川委員請發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
2260.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2269.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
主席 各位先進 上禮拜五通過了這個法按照莊瑞雄委員跟鍾嘉斌委員的說法這個法根本就沒辦法去執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
2272.711 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2297.689 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
因為這些版本最後擬出來的這些我們不斷的表決不斷的修正出來的可能會前後矛盾也沒辦法執行那既然已經二讀三讀都通過了那我想到最後我們勢必還要再來修所以以後大家立這個法的時候還是要大家及時廣益也請這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
2299.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2311.693 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
國民黨團、台灣民眾黨團面對這麼重要的法案,大家好好說,不曾硬要用手的,硬要用人的那通過之後,到最後大家還是要來修一次,謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
2337.219 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2355.891 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
主席在場的委員先進揭弊者保護法在國外已經實施多年在國內也是社會期待很久但是身為立法者我們必須誠懇地指出這不是一個字母法案這不是一個名稱法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
2356.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2370.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
大家以為我們通過了揭弊者保護法未來在我們社會各界這些內部的揭弊者就可以勇於因為受到保護可以向社會、向受理機關揭發這些內部的弊端 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
2371.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2388.355 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
其實從上週的法案審查我們清楚看到一路從委員會走來這個法案坎坎坷坷第9屆第10屆到第11屆為什麼沒有行政院的版本因為有人堅持一定要公私並進 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
2389.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2413.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
事實上我們看到最後的修正動議連司部門部分大幅縮水不敢再誇誇其言說司部門要通通納入但是除此之外還有些我們覺得未來應該謹慎小心的就是受理機關其實如果公部門先行以公部門內部的公務員為揭弊者受理機關為具有司法調查權的相關機關那麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2415.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2437.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
揭弊者保護法不僅是可以保護到揭弊者也可以由有公信力的公權力機關來進行調查然而經過修正動議的扭曲第二層的受理機關包括媒體包括公司慈善公益團體都可以成為調查揭弊的受理調查機關這是何等的荒謬 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2438.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2457.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
所以我們在這裡要不斷的呼籲揭弊者保護法固然我們社會共同推動民進黨我們也是希望能夠共同來促成但是負責任的民進黨負責任的行政團隊我們希望揭弊者保護法能夠存其利避其害我們希望未來的揭弊者保護法不要成為揭弊者的噩夢 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2460.576 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2477.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
謝謝鍾嘉斌委員的發言接下來請羅美玲委員請發言羅美玲委員好請不發言吳思瑤委員請發言對不起因為次序調整接下來我們請許志傑委員請發言許志傑委員許志傑委員不發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2478.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2480.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
張雅琳、徐富奎、吳立華、賴慧媛、陳秀寶、林月琴、陳培宇、陳廷飛、 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2506.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2524.696 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
陳庭菲委員陳庭菲委員不發言蘇巧慧委員請發言蘇巧慧委員蘇巧慧委員不發言陳玉珍委員請發言陳玉珍委員請發言陳玉珍委員請發言不發言洪孟楷委員請發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2539.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2554.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
主席各位同仁上個禮拜五正式三讀通過敲下議事錘的公益揭弊者保護法睽違兩千多天終於能夠在國人共同期待之下我們正式三讀通過確定這部法令 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2555.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2573.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
這也是台灣第一部為了要捍衛公義正義並且希望能夠完善友善的揭弊制度來而生的所以未來揭弊者真的可以有所保障我想這也有三個跨時代的意義第一 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2574.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2597.061 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
這是公務部門的預防過去我們看到不管是超思雞蛋的爭議不管是黑心快篩的爭議甚至用救安基金挪用濫用來裝潢辦公室等相關的爭議這都是公務部門的弊案而如果說有揭弊者保護法能夠在事前防範未來的話鼓勵內部知曉看 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2597.961 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2623.971 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
不慣不公不義的事情的員工來做揭弊保護這對於社會大眾的利益是有所保障的所以第一點我們要防範未來第二我想這也是一個重大的宣示告訴我們全台2350萬人我們有所保護有為有首能夠讓所有的揭弊者如果你願意為了台灣社會良善的文化持續努力的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2624.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2645.893 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
每一個人都可以是守護者每一個人都可以是揭弊者只要你願意挺身而出政府會當你的後盾來保護你以及第三這是回應2017年司法改革的結論但只是非常遺憾到最後居然是國民黨團跟民眾黨團我們來回應2017年的司法改革具體的結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2647.094 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2664.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
在這個過程裡面特別要感謝吳宗憲召委他排案並且在眼睛手術開刀的時候還是持續關心感謝國民黨團所有同仁的努力堅持感謝民眾黨團的堅持我們一起努力讓台灣越來越好 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2668.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2694.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
謝謝洪孟楷委員的發言接下來請盧憲一委員請發言盧憲一委員盧憲一委員不發言林思明委員請發言林思明委員林思明委員不發言羅志強委員請發言羅志強委員羅志強委員不發言翁曉琳委員請發言翁曉琳委員不發言葛如軍委員請發言葛如軍委員葛如軍委員不在場王宏威委員請發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2707.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2730.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
謝謝主席以及我們現場各位同仁以及在網路上前面的朋友我們這一次立法院能夠通過揭弊者保護法這是一個能夠去除我們政府內部黑箱、舞弊、官官相護的一個里程碑的法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2731.684 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2749.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
在這個過程裡面非常感謝所有支持揭弊者保護法的各位同仁能夠願意用立法的方式來保護我們在公部門裡面所有 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2750.416 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2776.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
在隱藏在角落他們長期受到不公平待遇或者他們看到不管是貪污、舞弊、霸凌、性騷等等這些在黑暗角落裡面他們有苦難生讓他們能夠得到立法上的一個保護還有保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2777.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2788.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
但是我們必須說在過程裡面我們非常非常的遺憾身為執政黨的我們的民進黨團在過程裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2792.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2807.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
不願意支持揭弊者保護法甚至呢在整個揭弊者保護法的立法過程我們也可以看到怎麼樣的利用言語上或者你人數上的優勢來對 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2810.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2831.358 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
支持立法的同仁來做言語的霸凌在上個星期我覺得非常遺憾我們長期的希望能夠建立吹哨者保護、揭弊者保護但是我們可以看到我們把司法也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2858.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2859.402 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
王鴻威委員王鴻威委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2862.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2870.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
王振旭委員不發言林怡瑾委員不發言黃國昌委員不在場陳素月委員不發言黃秀芳委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2891.515 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2892.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
黃秀芳、李崑哲、賴瑞龍、王定宇、楊瓊瑛、 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2925.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2946.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
謝謝院會主席楊瓊瓔發言 非常的感謝這一次我們的公益揭弊者保護法通過完成三讀我要特別感謝所有的提案委員以及所有在整個過程當中不斷的溝通不斷的協調然後能夠真正的完成三讀讓掌權者的監督防備能多一道 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2946.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2974.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
防憲讓受壓迫者能多一道看見希望的曙光中國大陸疫情之初示警的已故醫師也是吹哨者李文亮說一個健康的社會不應當只有一種聲音本席非常認同因為我們看到最近的社會不管是食安、光電、貪腐勞工、霸凌、新聞、金融以及產業各方面相對弊案層出不窮 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
2974.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2996.685 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
而防弊防腐首重最重要的就是透明要有各種的聲音來發聲才能夠真正有效的來苛責而我國卻連一部專門保護揭弊者以及保護吹哨者的這個專法都沒有所以這不應當是在秩序民主國家裡頭所發生的因此 |
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我們看到這一次相對的提案以及在整個的溝通大家協盡努力之下我們要求務必一定要催生出揭弊者保護法因為當英國、法國、日本、韓國大家都有相關的專法在保護這個吹哨者的時候我們也看到2017年呢那麼前總統這個蔡英文小姐也說過揭弊者保護法是當時司改會會議最重要的結論也是 |
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國際反貪腐公約指出國家務必要承擔的這個責任因此我們要說這一次的三讀通過這只是保護揭弊者的第一步為了打造更連任的政府跟民主社會未來我們必須要繼續的再檢視整個過程我們一定要讓我們的社會更加的透明 |
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3055.854 |
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3058.298 |
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謝謝楊瓊瓔委員的發言接下來請羅廷偉委員請發言 |
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3078.971 |
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3103.68 |
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我們終於通過公益者揭弊保護法我們更希望在這一次通過這個法案已經延宕了多年終於在這一次完成三讀讓國人知道我們為了要保護揭弊者的一個決心大家可以記得海科館相關的霸凌案之前有說要提供調查報告 |
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3104.912 |
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3133.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
如今我們看到了主管機關、慢辦牌官官相護甚至勞動部所霸凌的一個案件謝宜龍案全國化難我們看到了過程當中包庇隱匿甚至是我們想要了解內部到底發生了什麼問題無從得知最後 |
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3134.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
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用了一條人命鬧上新聞才能夠得以關注才能夠藉此來發掘勞動部裡面到底有多少的問題而如今公益揭弊者保護法已經三讀通過要讓國人知道 |
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你們不是孤單的而未來有任何在行政主管機關公務部門所發生的相關弊案當中我們也希望大家能夠站出來讓我們知道讓法令能夠法治化後保護這些揭弊者僅此在這今年也是最後一天 |
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我們希望讓大家能夠看到我們改革的決心新的立院、新的觀點、新的立院、新的風氣也在此跟國人特別報告我們非常重視揭弊、貪腐以及改革謝謝羅廷偉委員的發言接下來請廖偉翔委員廖偉翔委員 |
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3210.99 |
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3234.049 |
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廖偉翔委員不發言徐巧欣委員徐巧欣委員徐巧欣委員不發言王玉敏委員王玉敏委員不發言林黛樺委員林黛樺委員林黛樺委員不發言徐欣穎委員徐欣穎委員 |
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3236.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
3252.678 |
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徐新義委員不發言報告委員會我們現在所有登記發言委員均已發言完畢我們現在針對本日議程討論事項我們進行相關事宜請各黨團幹部到議場後面主席休息室我們進行溝通我們先休息 |
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7170.35 |
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7195.791 |
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蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文、蔡英文 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
7207.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
7208.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
立法院議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
7565.245 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
7566.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
委員委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
8104.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
8104.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
8137.23 |
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發言會現在我們繼續開會我們現在已經有了黨團共事我們念一下黨團共事一、老人福利法協商之後我們再行處理二、就業服務法院會進行處理時廣泛討論由台灣民眾黨團推派一位民進黨團推派三位國民黨團推派三位輪流交叉發言逐條討論時由各黨團推派一位發言 |
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8137.89 |
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每人發言時間3分鐘並於本日完成立法三讀之後發言由台灣民眾黨團推派一位民進黨團推派三位國民黨團推派三位三、證券交易 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
8154.396 |
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8175.633 |
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稅條例一協商結論於本日完成立法各黨團同意不再提出複議三讀後各黨團均不再發言四、國土計劃法如進行處理時廣泛討論由台灣民眾黨推派一位民進黨團推派三位國民黨團推派三位輪流交叉發言 |
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逐條討論時各黨團推派一位發言每人發言三分鐘三讀之後發言由台灣民眾黨團推派一位民進黨團推派三位國民黨團推派三位五、中央行政機關組織基準法院會進行處理時廣泛討論及逐條討論時均由各黨團推派一位一、台灣民眾黨團、民進黨團、國民黨黨團順序輪流發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
8205.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
8227.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
每人發言時間3分鐘6、其餘個案協商我們再行處理特別報告上開個案的發言我們輪流交查那麼現在本日我們就繼續開始進行處理我們進入討論事項第二案老人福利法第22條及第25條條文修正草案請宣讀審查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
8254.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
本院社會福利及外相環境委員會分別於113年5月30日及6月13日舉行協定委員會議審查本案會議由王兆杰為域名擔任主席邀請庭安黨團代表及庭安委員說明庭安要職並請衛生福利部政務次長呂建德等列席說明並被質詢與會委員於聽取說明及許答後進行逐條討論,完成本案審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
8255.257 |
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8284.378 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
允經決議並按理據審查報告提報院會討論本案與院會進行二讀前需交由黨團協商院會討論本案時由王兆謹委員譽名補充說明宣讀完畢我們現在請兆謹委員王譽名委員補充說明本案經審查會決議交由黨團協商王譽名委員王譽名不說明好另外特更委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
8285.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
8298.255 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
院會報告蘇清泉委員、翁曉琳委員、邱若驊委員等分別提案經第1會期第20次會議、第2會期第5次、第8次會議決定近乎二讀與相關提案併案協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
8301.951 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
8329.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
楊瓊瓔委員、徐欣營委員等分別提案．第2會期第6次．第13次會議決定．自委員會抽出近乎二讀．並與相關提案併案協商報告委員會．我們本案依黨團共識做以下決議．協商之後再行處理報告委員會．我們現在進入討論事項第三案．《就業服務法》第46條條文修正草案．請宣讀審查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
8331.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
8349.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
本院社會福利經濟發展環境委員會分別於113年5月27日、5月29日及6月13日舉行全體委員會議審查本案。會議由王兆傑委員域名擔任主席,邀請提案委員說明提案要旨,並請勞動部長何佩珊等列席說明並備諮詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
8351.38 |
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8373.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
與會員於聽取說明及詢談後進行逐條討論,完成本案審查,另保留附帶決議三項原金決議並按理據審查報告提報院會討論,本案與院會進行二讀前需交由黨團協商院會討論本案時,由王召集委員喻名補充說明宣讀完畢現在請召集委員王喻名委員請補充說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
8381.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
8408.954 |
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主席各位同仁大家好今天是2024最後一天明天就進入到2025年而台灣也進入超高齡社會我們的老年人口即將來到20%每5個人就有一位是老人所以無論是國會無論是中央政府地方政府我們都應該要更重視老人相關的照顧服務工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
8409.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
8426.282 |
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而今天所提出來的《就業服務法》第46條修正案就是要讓80歲以上的老人可以免憑巴士量表大家都知道衛福部的統計告訴我們80歲以上的長者 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
8427.262 |
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8447.359 |
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近半數日常生活都需要有人照顧而照顧他的這些人正是有66%是勞動力的人口所以一個家庭如果有80歲以上長者需要照顧的話這些照顧者有些必須辭掉工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
8448.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
8469.113 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
那另外一個我們也看到80歲以上的長者能獨立外出行走者不到半數所以要他們舟車勞頓到醫院奔波然後去做申請這個巴士量表其實是一個相當擾民而且讓長者其實非常有負擔的一個行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
8470.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
8489.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
所以在民間很多人都主張這樣的一個老人家基本上超過80歲有很多他們的行動力已經變弱他需要有人照顧本來就有資格來申請外籍看護工但是現行的制度過於擾民也過於 |
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8490.149 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
8493.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
楊瓊瓔等21人擬具 «公益揭弊者保護法草案》、委員楊瓔等21人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
8507.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
8528.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
有關於救福法第46條的修正就是要讓80歲以上的老人可以免於奔波之苦只要他年齡超過80歲家人覺得他有需要就可以去申請外籍看護工而這樣的一個法案在委員會裡面上個會期5月17號院會一讀委員會也經過5月27號、5月29號、6月13號的一個委員會的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
8536.727 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
8552.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
而在6月27號本人也召集協商到目前已經超過半年了有非常多超過80歲以上的老人這樣的一個家庭他們一直在等待也一直在詢問這樣這個法案 |
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8554.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
8578.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
立法院到底什麼時候要通過那我想今天透過朝野協商也順利的這個案子目前已經排進來我們要開始來審查我希望在審查這個案子我們是基於檢證辨明基於去照顧這些超過80歲以上的長者他的家庭需要我們共同來通過這樣的一個法案 |
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8579.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
8595.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
讓這些家庭長者在有人照顧的情況底下他的子女也可以更安心在職場上面繼續為台灣的經濟來打拼所以再次呼籲我們在座的所有的委員這個法案關乎 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
8596.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
8613.634 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
很多超過80歲以上長者的家庭他們有這個照護的需求我們應該要苦民所苦也應該要看到我們邁入超高齡社會之後這一些長輩這一些家庭的需求因此有關於《救福法》第46條這個80歲以上的長者可以免巴士量表的這樣一個修正案 |
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8619.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
8639.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
希望不分朝野大家共同來支持讓我們一起為80歲以上的長者來打造更安全、更友善、更有尊嚴的照顧環境希望大家等一下審議法案的時候可以共同來支持也作為 |
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8640.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
8668.778 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
即將跨年即將邁入2025年我們給這一些超過80幾歲的長者有這個照護需求的家庭送給他們一個新年最好的禮物讓他們可以更安心可以在家長、長輩有需求的時候找到需要適合的看護來協助照顧我們的長者再一次希望大家共同來支持讓《救福法》第46條的修正案可以順利審查通過謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
8674.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
8696.256 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
謝謝王玉敏召集委員的補充說明報告委員會本案今時才會決議我們須交由黨團協商另外蘇清泉委員、羅廷維委員、魯明哲委員等分別提案今第一會期第24會議、第二會期第6次、第8次會議我們決定近乎二讀與相關提案並且協商陳超明委員等提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
8697.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
8726.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
經第2會期第6次會議決定自委員會抽出我們進一步二讀與相關提案併案協商報院會現在本案已協商超過一個月無法達成共識依立法院職權刑事法第71條之一規定我們由院會定期處理因此於本次會議我們提出討論現在進行廣泛討論依黨團共識我們進行黨團推派代表發言首先請吳春成委員請發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
8749.518 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
8755.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
2004年總統大選的時候三個總統候選人都提出了 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
8757.253 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
8772.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
放寬申請幫庸移工不需要發釋量表這一個也是大家的共識本黨就這一次的就業服務法第46條的修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
8775.714 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
8786.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
主張僱主聘僱外國人從事家庭看護的工作被看護者年滿85歲以上得免經醫療機構的專業評估那這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
8792.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
8808.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
才能夠真正的照顧長者基本上我們支持這樣的修法但是必須要有更多的配套措施免得排擠到其他需要真正照顧的長者 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
8809.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
8830.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
在無法確保國外新增外籍看護人數的情況下修法可能造成一些重度障礙的長照家庭的衝擊與困擾這是政府必須要解決的其中不乏弱勢族群苦撐的上班族而且 |
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8831.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
8858.794 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
外籍看護的引進問題也非台灣當方面可以決定日韓近年來加薪搶工非常的積極因此民眾黨將在進一步確認外籍看護供需的問題上與修法的衝擊後再來決定是否支持修法要求民眾取得醫師開立巴士量表才能聘僱外籍看護 |
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看護公德制度確實相當的老民民眾黨支持思考以長照2.0這個現行已經實施非常成熟的制度來取代巴士量表的方向一來減少民眾奔波與負擔二來減少醫師的困擾 |
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三則可以更早的向有需求的家庭來推薦長照的服務、喘息的服務提升對外籍看護家庭的守護與支持所以改以長照2.0由民眾撥打1966長道專線到家評估可以減少家庭照顧者的負荷的訴求相近 |
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過去當民眾面臨家庭有急需需要照顧人力的時候往往卡在無法及時取得巴士量表而無法取得外籍的看護早有民怨但是過去政府不做不知從制度面來思考解渴長照2.0的外籍看護好 謝謝吳春城委員的發言接下來請林月琴委員請發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
8937.867 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
8938.951 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
王宏威委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
8954.279 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
8972.313 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
主席還有各位同僚全球搶工的時代已經來臨那台灣也是這樣全台大缺工是一個正在進行的事不但本國勞工缺、移工也缺從事家庭照顧的外籍家庭看護工更缺今天這個案子一旦通過22.7萬的 |
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8975.095 |
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8991.509 |
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我們的聘僱外籍看護家庭即將面臨到53萬健康長者的加碼搶工潮對於照顧者、相對困難的中度障礙者將是一場大災難可是藍白兩黨不聽不下去勸告 |
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9018.357 |
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堅持要強勢表決通過80歲以上的健康老人無條件聘僱移工上週我們的家庭照顧者總會他也公開呼籲這不是聖誕節禮物這是驚嚇藍白兩黨不要渾水摸雲趁機通過這條災難式的法律為什麼呢這項修法將造成53萬的健康長者須被聘僱 |
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| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
9033.869 |
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資格進場搶工外籍看護當然因此工不應求同時勢必會挑工破壞家庭重度家庭的聘僱的穩定並且抬高薪資條件現在目前是兩萬八 |
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那未來可能會到4萬、5萬你也不見得搶得到從來沒有一項社會福利政策是在優惠富有者、健康者並反過來壓迫貧窮者、弱勢者全國民眾很不幸的這個不可思議的法律 |
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| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
9073.632 |
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竟然提到院回來並且有可能創下台灣的首例現今台灣23萬重度的已經聘僱外籍看護的家庭已經是最弱勢、最不穩定的脆弱人群這項新政策將使這些家庭大亂提升照顧悲劇本席不知道 |
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9075.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
9102.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
將來那些無法避免的悲劇到底要找誰來算賬呢所以為了滿足各類弱勢的聘僱的期待行政院在去年就已經提出多元任令除了現有的條件之外大幅放寬讓我們的長照使用者、失智者、特定身心障礙者都具備聘僱的資格並且為了滿足臨時照顧需求還提出我們的多元照顧 |
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9103.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
9122.944 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
陪判方案、嘗試自費的臨時聘僱模式政府正積極需求家庭尋求更彈性的人力所以本席呼籲要按部就班來面對聘僱問題在此期待本案退回程序委員會以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
9125.641 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
9141.76 |
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謝謝林月琴委員的發言報告委員會中午因為我們今天是跨年所以我們中午吃PIZZA那如果大家想吃便當的話跟議事長講我們也會加發便當中午我們就吃PIZZA我們繼續我們登記第三位王宏威委員請發言王振旭委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
9153.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
9176.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
主席各位同仁我們都知道台灣現在已經進入了老年化社會而且呢其實以聯合國的定義來講我們都要進入了超高齡社會到現在為止我們70到100歲的人口有275萬人80歲以上有90萬人我們老人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
9177.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
9204.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
照顧跟老人讓他們能夠有尊嚴而且健康的生活事實上不只是執政黨的責任應該是我們每一個人的責任我們也看到在台灣我們25歲到64歲的未就業人口高達286.5萬人其中一位照顧長者而無法工作者達到 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
9209.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
9223.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
5.25%這是一個相當高的比例我們有這麼多勞動力卻因為要照顧家裡的長者而沒有辦法投入勞動市場這是我們台灣全社會的損失 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
9225.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
9245.238 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
所以我們今天針對80歲以上的長者還有70到79歲二級罹癌的長者提供家庭看護、外籍看護的照顧這已經是刻不容緩的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
我看到我們包含我們的執政黨或者我們一些側翼來攻擊說如果今天我們開放80歲以上健康老人的一個照護的話我們會壓縮排擠一些比較中重度失能的家庭我從來沒有看到一個這樣沒有出息的政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
9292.952 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
竟然你針對失能家庭、失能長者的照顧竟然是以犧牲我們80歲以上長者的利益作為墊腳石這是什麼樣的政府你們何其忍心針對我們80歲以上的長者還要賦予他們這樣的苛責 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
9313.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
所以我們照顧所有的長者照顧我們一些中度失能的家庭我們應該大家一起來作為一個政府應該是積極的而不是消極的把自己無能竟然可以推到80歲以上長者的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
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80歲以上長者還要幫你們去承擔你們根本無能照顧這些包含這些需要看護的家庭甚至我們80歲以上長者所以我們在這邊我們希望大家都來支持我們八事兩表針對80歲以上的長者還有70到79歲二級離癌 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
9350.711 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
謝謝王宏威委的發言接下來我們請王振旭委員發言、蘇清泉委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
9362.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
9375.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
主席、各位委員還有全國的鄉親大家好今天我們這邊討論一個非常嚴肅的議題就是80歲以上的長者是不是就能夠順利的 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
9377.651 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
9404.269 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
不需要任何條件的取得這個不需要在巴士量表的評估之下就能夠順利的請外勞、移工來協助他們整體的照顧我們也知道進入到這個超高齡社會以後真的家庭看護的需求真的會越來越需求增加那目前主要是以巴士量表作為重要的考量那我們在臨床實務上也知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
9405.109 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
9422.945 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
在申請法治量表的時候的確也碰到一些困難不僅這些長者需要到現場去接受評估也有很多的這個評估結果還沒有達到這個標準的時候呢會讓這些家庭有挫折感也非常的無助 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
9423.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
9444.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
所以醫界對這項的規定其實也叫苦連天因為依照專業判斷拒絕開立這個巴士量表給他通過的話還可能引發這個醫病衝突甚至造成身體的一些影響跟威脅因此我認為現行的申請依據的確需要做修改 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
9445.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
9468.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
可是重要的是要朝向多元的方式來進行而不是用年齡當作唯一的依據這樣才能夠更滿足民眾的需求那我們今天在這邊討論這樣的80歲的放寬標準表面上看起來好像可以帶來便利其實實際上還是有可能會引發其他的問題 |
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9469.711 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
9497.549 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
誠如剛剛林委員一行所提到的目前台灣80歲以上的人口有91萬人那如果沒有申請這個看護一共還有53萬人左右如果以聘僱率10%到30%來推算的話那每一年可能這個要新增加看護的人數會從5.3萬人增加到15萬9千人左右可是呢我們每一年能夠新進 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
9499.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
9526.498 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
偵騙的外籍看護只有1萬名左右供需明顯是失衡的另外外籍看護移工如果具有選擇僱主的權利的同時相較於中重度的失能者那這些照顧健康長者的工作當然會比較輕鬆這可能就會導致看護的移工傾向選擇健康的長者那如果他們選擇的是健康長者的話那現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
9527.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
9546.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
還有22萬7千位的這個中中度失明的家庭他們的照顧需求其實衝擊是非常大的事實上他們這一群才是最需要請這些移工還有其他的同仁一起來幫助的部分那剛剛也提到如果癌症二期的人實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
9562.409 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
9564.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
主席 我們各位立法院的同仁還有媒體朋友 大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
9583.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
9600.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
我是一個臨床醫師最大的困擾就是常常在開巴士輛票因為一鍋簽不過的都早早從我這裡來好,有夠辛苦壓力有夠大我相信王振興做到今天本院副院長同樣也有這個安排總統選舉的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
9604.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
9625.971 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
兩個候選人就提出來80歲以上不用82票就直接可以申請那當時的執政就是陳建仁再來就是我們的衛生部馬雄德從善如流這是非常好的那今天提出來我們聽到的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
9627.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
9639.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
他怕說一千會很多人,幾十萬人會失敗我跟大家報告,我自己的伯母都是請外籍康復的過因為我們不知道怎麼過,年輕人要請便宜、要賺錢、要過的時代,老大人真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
9645.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
9654.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
不僅如此簡單,請多請多,也要很大的付出,要有薪水,再刷下去還有救援定資金,都要綠綠綠綠,而且所有來處那些 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
9658.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
9687.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
居家照顧者所有的福利都沒有所有的補助都沒有所以請外勞、請外籍醫工來做外籍康復是完全沒有什麼補助的總得靠自己所以不用煩惱說什麼會寫幾十萬人林月琴委員在怕說會給本來需要的人全都被搶走跟大家報告我們外籍康復進來的薪水也不低 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
9688.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
9709.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
那國外韓國、日本他們現在用更高的價碼在跟我們搶病搶這個外籍醫工所以沒那麼簡單所以不用想說日本的整個都氾濫啦整個都弱勢的真的輸了都沒了這是胡說八道的所以這個案子就這麼簡單80個醫生就給人家申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
9714.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
9737.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
你能夠觀察三個月、六個月到底有多少人來申請?第二個70歲到79歲有癌症的病人或者是多重疾病的病人,我們也要放款我們每次看到這些90歲,我前幾天看了一個是90幾歲他也要,無論如何也要把他載來便宜,我感覺我有重感 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
9738.849 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
9751.942 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
這不可能說不需要在那裡亂唱這是不可能的事情所以我就在這邊呼籲大家將心比心大家照顧老人我們讓社會更和諧以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
9770.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
9795.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
主席、各位立院同仁、全國的鄉親大家新年快樂在上一周我們看到在這個《救福法》第46條公民黨團的版本本來有塞進一段文字營造業者可以聘用原住民一名或或繳納貸金給園民會就可以禁用兩個移工 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
9796.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
9806.515 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
我們看到這個條文引起嘩然因為我們認為這是偷渡移工侵害原住民族就業權益的法案引發族人的不滿 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
9807.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
9829.385 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
勞工陣線也指出過去營造業開放移工對原住民的就業衝擊已經相當的明顯而這個第二道的後門條款明定營造業者竟然可以用錢換移工不僅無助於改善我們原住民的就業處境更是一種大開後門的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
9830.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
9844.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
我們看到過去的原住民工作權保障法它是寫明每滿100人以上可以禁用2%的原住民而且它提到繳納代金可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
9845.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
9866.691 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
不得禁用外籍移工所以我們認為救福法46條塞進這第二道後門我們感到非常的緊張好在最後一刻抽出了這個條文撤案算是不幸中的大幸而今天呢我們看到國民黨團的救福法再修正動議也新增了一條備看護者 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
9868.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
9895.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
若有原住民身份,評估與認定的方式要由衛福部及原民會會同訂定這個部分我非常的高興因為我的提案版本的精神也跟這個內容一致我一直認為我們原住民的立委我們為原住民族服務要為影響到原住民的政策一同來把關特別是原住民健康法通過之後,裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
9919.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
納入了文化安全的精神所以原住民的健康照護應該要回應被照顧對象的文化需求因此對於服務原住民家庭的看護工我們認為應該要有別於一般的看護工要有獨立的審查標準確保我們的原住民的被照顧者在這個照顧的過程中不會因為 |
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9920.808 |
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文化以及語言的特殊性而受到不利或不友善的對待在這個部分呢我們非常的肯定那再一次在這個地方針對我們的就業服務法的第46條修法希望呢我們一同對這些在我們的底層最弱勢沒有辦法透過經濟得到照顧服務的這些人我們一同透過我們的法令來保障他們的權益謝謝大家 |
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謝謝吳麗華委員的發言接下來請李燕秀委員發言 |
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院長在現場每位同仁大家好在不到13個小時我們台灣即將邁入跨境我們超高齡化的社會以至於說在全台灣當中65歲以上人口佔20%每5個人當中就有一位超過65歲 |
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如何讓台灣的老人長輩在這塊土地上活得更有自信我相信是我們在這塊土地上在立法院每一個委員不分朝野黨派共同的目標過去長時間以來我相信很多委員一定在辦公室有接到委員委員我要帶我爸媽去申請巴士量表 |
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但是我們到醫院不是沒有達標看了好幾次沒有辦法開不到也因此我必須辭掉我的工作這件事情這樣的聲音在很多辦公室我相信不分朝野黨派大家都有接到這也就是為什麼我們要修法最主要的目的從委員會到剛才聽到很多委員講說移工人數不夠移工未來可以選擇他自己可能逃跑選擇自己要的這個僱主 |
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這些難道不是勞動部勞發署應該盡的責任嗎未來對哪一個國家要盡更多的移工或者是移工的管理難道不是勞發署重要的責任嗎我們勞動基金不是只有幫這個部長辦演唱會不是只有幫這個 |
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某一位署長把辦公室裝潢得漂漂亮亮更重要的是我們未來勞動部把相關的政策做得更好讓我們長者在這塊土地上我們邁入超高齡化的時候我們的長照服務、多元的工具可以讓需要的、失能的長照家庭可以做更多的選擇而不是我們常在報紙上看到不是找不到然後子女必須要請辭掉工作甚至是我們看到更多的長照杯葛在台灣發生 |
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所以今天未來如何鬆綁我們外籍看護的枷鎖絕對是當務之急也是我們今天立法最主要的目的在通過長照的這個聘僱外籍看護之前未來可以免經醫療機構的專業評估讓有被需要的長者不再因為巴士量表而辛苦的周遭勞頓正是我們我覺得今天最主要的目的而且未來可以減少很多醫病的衝突 |
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在修法過程當中我相信大家雖然有不同的聲音但是未來勞動部應該把自己對移工的加強管理做得更好讓勞動部落實自己的法定責任而不是帶風向遮掩自己的無能迫使長輩必須承擔行政機關失職怠惰的苦果以上我希望今天能夠在2025年不到13個小時之後台灣邁入超高齡化社會之前我們可以把這個法令通過能夠照顧更多的長者 |
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謝謝李燕秀委員的發言報院會我們黨團代表的發言均已發言完畢我們以協商結論本案僅宣讀院會所收再修正動議其餘條文均列入公報記錄條文處理的時候我們依序進行表決如果其中有任何一案通過我們即不再處理其他案我們現在進行逐條討論第46條請宣讀條文 |
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民進黨黨團再修正動議第46條僱主聘僱外國人在中華民國境內從事實施工作除本法令有規定外以下列各款文獻一、專門性或技術性之工作二、華僑或外國人經政府核准投資或設立事業之主管三、下列學校教師一、公立或經立安徹斯利大專以上校院或外國僑民學校之教師 |
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二、公立或以立案之私立高級中等以下學校之合格外國語文課程教師三、公立或以立案私立實驗高級中等學校雙語部或雙語學校之學科教師四、依補習及進修教育法立案之短期補習班之專任教師五、運動教練及運動員六、宗教藝術及演藝工作其商船工作船及其他經營交通部特許船舶之船員 |
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八、海洋娛樂作業九、家庭蜂擁、機構看護及家庭看護工作十、為因應國家重要建設工程或經濟社會發展需要經中央主管機關指定之工作十一、其他因工作性質特殊、國內缺乏該項人才在義務上卻有評估外國人從事工作之必要 |
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經中央主管機關專案和專冊從事前項工作之外國人其工作資格及審查標準除本法或其他法律令有規定外由中央主管機關會商中央目的事業主管機關定之 |
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僱主一、第一項第八款之第十款規定聘僱外國人需訂令書面勞動契約並以定期契約為限其為定期限者以聘僱許可之期限為勞動契約之期限續約時一同僱主聘僱外國人從事家庭看護工作被看護者由下列前行之一得免金醫療機構之醫療專業評估一、使用長期照顧服務申請及給付辦法之照顧 |
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服務連續達6個月以上二、屬輕度失智症三、屬中度吞嚥機能失去功能障礙重度肢體障礙或罕見疾病或重度呼吸器官失去功能障礙四、年齡滿85歲以上曾經醫療機構以團體方式所作專業評估認定有輕度依賴照護需要五、一年內曾經中央主管機關學科評估照顧者 |
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6.其他經中央主管機關會商、中央目的事業主管機關認定其況特殊之情形 |
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台灣民眾黨黨團再修正動議第46條僱主聘僱外國人在中華民國境內從事之工作處辦法令有規定外以下列各款違憲一、專門性或技術性之工作二、華夏或外國人經政府核准投資或設立事業就主管三、下列學校教師一、公立或經立安置斯里大學以上校院或外國小民學校之教師 |
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二、公立或以另案之私立高級中等以下學校之合格外國語文課程教師三、公立或以另案私立實驗高級中等學校雙語部或雙語學校之學科教師四、依補習及進修教育法另案之短期補習班之專任教師五、運動教練及運動員六、宗教藝術及演藝工作其商船工作船及其他經交通部特許船舶之船員 |
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8、海洋娛樂工作9、家庭包容及看護工作10、為因國家重要建設工程或經濟社會發展需要經中央主管機關指定之工作11、其他因工作性質特殊、國內缺乏該項人才在業務上卻有聘僱外國人從事工作之必要 |
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兼中央主管機關專案和準則從事前項工作之外國人其工作資格及審查標準除其他法律另有規定外由中央主管機關會商中央目的事業主管機關定之故主依第一項第八款之第十款規定聘僱外國人需訂令書面勞動契約並以定期契約為限其未定期限者以聘僱許可之期限為勞動契約之期限 |
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僱主聘僱外國人從事家庭看護工作被看護者有項鍊期刑之一等免刑醫療機構職專業評估一、被看護者年齡滿85歲以上 |
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二、具特定身心障礙重度等級項目之一,包括呼吸器官失去功能之障礙程度達中度以上、吞咽機能失去功能之障礙程度達中度以上三、使用長照服務,包括居家、日間或家庭托僱服務,持續6個月以上四、監疫名、神經病或精神科專科醫師評估失智症輕度以上五、依長期照顧服務法第8條之一第4項鎖定辦法,長照失難等級第4級以上 |
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國民黨黨團再修正動議第46條顧主聘僱外國人在中華民國境內從事這工作除本法令有規定外以下列各款違憲一、專門性或技術形式工作二、華夏或外國人經政府投資、核准投資或設立事業制主管 |
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三、下列學校教師一、公立或經立案之私立大專以上校院或外國強名學校之教師二、公立或以立案之私立高級中等以上學校之合格外國語文課程教師三、公立或以立案私立實驗高級中等學校雙語部或雙語學校之學科教師四、依補習及進修教育法立案之短期補習班之專任教師五、運動教練及運動員 |
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6、宗教藝術及演藝工作7、商船工作船及其他經交通部特許船舶支船員8、海洋漁撈作業、海洋漁撈工作9、家庭幫傭、機構看護及家庭看護工作 |
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十、為因應國家重要建設工程或經濟社會發展需要經中央主管機關指定之工作十一、其他因工作性質特殊、國內缺乏該項人才在義務上卻有併護外國人從事工作之必要經中央主管機關專案核定者 |
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從事前項工作之外國人其工作制度及審查標準除其他法律另有規定外由中央主管機關會商中央目的事業主管機關定之但前項第9款是家庭看護工其被看護者具有原住民身份時其評估與認定方式應由衛生福利部會商原住民組委員會定之 |
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僱主依定向第8款徹底實款規定聘僱外國人須訂立書面勞動契約並以定期契約為限其未定期限者以聘僱許可之期限為勞動契約之期限須約時一同僱主聘僱外國人從事家庭看護工作被看護者凡年齡滿80歲以上或70歲至79歲患有癌症而起身者等免經醫療機構之專業評估宣讀完畢 |
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現在進行黨團特別代表發言首先請劉建國委員發言黃建豪委員請準備 |
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好 謝謝主席 各位同仁我想今天要來討論這一個修正案基本上崩潮的方向跟想法是好的但是辦法我覺得大有討論的空間 |
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剛剛我敬重的蘇清泉召委特別去提到他在做這個巴士量表的評估的過程裡面已經傷腦筋他自己的雙親也都聘了外籍這個看護工在照顧 |
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那我想以蘇清泉召委為例基本上他日理萬機又當然為何召委自己本身又經營醫院他當然需要他的雙親需要有人來照顧妥當那至於至於他的雙親是不是需要One by One的照顧是不是需要外籍看護照顧是不是他的雙親可以使用台灣現在的長照2.0甚至以台灣未來的長照3.0 |
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就足以足夠的來照顧他的雙親我想這是有待大家去認知跟思考的一個方法這是第一點那第二點廣告有一句話施施有兩種我們要決定一個政策最起碼我們要施施有三種 |
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第一要去思考供給跟需求是不是可以達到平衡跟穩固如果今天我們的需求非常多供給非常少台灣又進入到一個缺工的年代 |
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那各位可想而知會發生什麼樣嚴重的衝突的這樣的問題那第二個思考的必須整個開放晃寬的這樣的一個條件之後到底會造成什麼樣的衝擊 |
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台灣是一個講人權的國家外籍看護工有沒有自主選擇僱主的權利當他原本已經進到台灣這個職場一年、兩年、三年甚至更久但是他都是照顧到符合我們長照的需求者對象也就是長期身體、心理完全無法治理簡單說就是回去讓六歲六嬌對上一孫但是他現在看到一個80歲健康的一個長者 |
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一個雅介克長者他會不會藉機的趕快的提出要轉換到這個僱主發生了大量的僱主轉換潮的過程裡面你要政府去做如何因應這法是我們修的到時候因應不起 |
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到時候造成這麼嚴重的衝突與轉換潮的時候,你又要怪政府,不可以反映我們長的、年輕的、經營出問題,還怪政府。我想這是交代不得過,最後最後,我們即將進入到長照3.0。 |
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我想有很多的配套要讓政府有時間的盤整出來提供給各黨團、各政黨來參考我們應該尋求一個更好的方式所以民進黨有提出六項多元放寬的一個審的標準謝謝劉建國委員的發言接下來我們請黃建豪委員請發言 |
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好 謝謝主席各位委員明天就是2025年也是我國進入超高齡社會的一天那我想超高齡社會不只是說這些急需照顧的長者需要獲得協助而是希望說所有的高齡長者都能過得更好我想今天不只各黨團過去行政院長陳建仁也曾宣誓過要放寬家庭看護移工的門檻賴清德總統也宣誓過台灣社會的確有需要這個照顧服務的需求 |
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巴士量表已經產生問題到了不得不改的情況那因為有很多年輕人的作息對長者來講其實是越來越困難這個時候這些長輩的確就是需要有人從旁來照顧嘛那這個年頭我想為數不多的青壯人力我們講一句話 |
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上有高堂老母下有嗷嗷待哺成為了夾心餅乾我們要出門賺錢養家血汗過勞者比比皆是那如果家裡面的長輩因為各種變故出現的招募需求那必然會讓我們這些就業者分身乏術全家的生活品質都一起崩潰那我想現在社會裡面也知道說很多的子女根本沒有跟父母同住根據統計全台大概有70萬的老人獨居戶那這些長者即使看似健康 |
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那他如果萬一發生照顧需求的時候就馬上需要有人從旁來協助甚至我們希望能夠避免這些不幸的發生對子女才應該是真正的幫助那我們根據2023年主力處統計大概也提到了為了照顧65歲的家人無法工作的比例超過5%這個勞動人口大約有15萬人 |
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所以等於台灣社會有大約15萬人因為要照顧家裡面的長輩他沒有辦法釋放他的勞動力我想這對社會也是一個傷害那我想良好的政策要雙贏政府也應該提出相關的配套措施當然剛剛很多委員提到說很多社團提到說會擔心開放之後會衝擊到原有的急重症患者沒有辦法申請到但是我想在這個政策上面政府他不應該放任所謂80歲以上的長者跟 |
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我們應該用政策的合理手段來引導說不管是針對重症的失能者給予更多的補助來促使他提高他的待遇也好或是優先來轉介長照居家服務提供更多資源甚至也可以通過行政手段來設立優先機制確保中重症的家庭他可以優先的獲得需求的滿足 |
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那另外我想整體來講如果能夠透過這個政策的改變來增加我國整體的外籍看護的總量我想也能緩解整體照顧人力不足的問題我想以上種種都應該是解決的方式今天提出這46條修法最主要的目的就是希望能夠實務上協助到現在我們面臨的許多家庭他就是因為有這個需求 |
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但他的巴士量表就是沒辦法下來我們要解決的是這個三明治世代年輕世代面對的家庭照顧問題才提出這個修法修法之後我們希望讓大家都有資格申請但是排序好 謝謝黃建豪委員的發言現在我們進行處理案例7分鐘並分發表決卡請議事員分發 |
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好,我們請在場的委員確認是不是都有拿到表決卡也請議事人員幫忙確認好,如果都有拿到表決卡,我們現在要進行表決現在表決民進黨黨團再修正動議條文現有民進黨黨團要求記名表決記名表決時間一分鐘,現在開始 |
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表決結果出席109人、贊成49人、反對60人、贊成者少數民進黨黨團再修正動力條文不通過現在表決台灣民眾黨黨團再修正動力條文現有民進黨黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團要求記名表決記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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表決結果出席109人、贊成8人、反對49人、棄權52人報告院會本案表決結果可否兩方均未過半數依規定應重新表決重新表決時以多數為可決現在進行重新表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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韓國瑜委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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表決結果出席109人、贊成8人、反對49人、棄權52人、贊成者少數台灣民眾黨黨團再修正動議條文不通過現在表決國民黨黨團再修正動議條文現有民進黨黨團要求記名表決記名表決時間1分鐘現在開始 |
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有報告院會出席109人、贊成52人、反對49人、棄權8人報告院會本案表決結果可否兩方均未過半數依規定應重新表決重新表決時以多數為可決現在進行重新表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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表決結果出席109人贊成、52人反對、49人棄權、8人贊成者多數第46條照國民黨黨團再修正動議條文通過法務院會全案經過二讀、現依黨團共事繼續進行三讀請宣讀經過二讀之條文 |
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第46條僱主聘僱外國人在中華民國境內從失職工作除本法令有規定外以下列個款違憲一、專門信貨技術行事工作二、華鄉或外國人經政府核准、投資或設立失業制主管三、下列學校教師 |
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一、公立或經立案之私立大專以上校院或外國僑民學校師教師二、公立或以立案之私立高級中等影像學校之和外國語文課程教師三、公立或以立案私立實驗高級中等學校雙語部或雙語學校之學科教師四、依補習及進修教育法立案之短期補習班之專任教師 |
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五、運動教練及運動員六、宗教藝術及演藝工作七、商船工作船及其他經交通部特使船舶支船員八、海洋娜娜工作九、家庭房庸機構看護及家庭看護工作 |
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十、為因應國家重要建設工程或經濟社會發展需要菁英中央主管機關決定之工作十一、其他因工作性質特殊、國內缺乏該項人才在義務上卻有聘僱外國人從事工作之必要菁英中央主管機關專任和忍者 |
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從事前項工作之外國人其工作資格及審查標準除其他法律另有規定外由中央主管機關會商中央目的事業主管機關定之但前項第9款職家庭看護工及被看護者具有原住民身份時其評估與認定方式應由衛生福利部會商原住民組委員會定之 |
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共處議定 項第八款 規定聘僱外國人 須訂令書面勞動契約 並以定期契約為限其未定期限者 以聘僱許可之期限為勞動契約之期限 續約時亦同 |
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僱主聘僱外國人從事家庭看護工作被看護者凡年齡80歲以上或70歲至79歲患有癌症惡情以上者等免經醫療機構之專業評估宣讀完畢報告院會三讀條文已宣讀完畢請問院會有無文字修正沒有文字修正 |
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決議就業服務法第46條條文修正通過報告院會本日程序委員會輪值召集委員、審發會委員表示今日程序委員會開會時間延後至院會結束10分鐘後於紅樓201會議室召開繼續處理 |
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審查會保留之附帶決議共三項請議事人員宣讀審查會保留第一項委員黃秀芳等所提附帶決議之內容委員會保留附帶決議一請勞動部積極研擬規劃外展看護服務示範計畫提供具有彈性的照顧陪伴服務保障 |
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外籍家庭看護工勞動權益並競速於3個月內提出事辦方案具體規劃內容宣讀完畢請問院會有無異議沒有異議決定照案通過請議事人員宣讀審查會保留第二項委員王正旭等所提附帶決議之內容審查會保留附帶決議二 |
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請勞動部盡速於3個月內匯商衛生福利部專科醫學會、老人社福及照顧者團體等單位放寬80歲以上有輕度依賴照顧需要者申請聘僱家庭看護移工資格含送立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣讀完畢請問議員會有無異議沒有異議決定照案通過 |
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請議事人員宣讀審查會保留第三項、委員楊耀等所提附帶決議之內容審查會保留附帶決議三請勞動部就具有完全依賴照護、需有人力輪流照護需求之被照護者研議修正相關標準以回應相關家庭之照護需求宣讀完畢請問院會有異議、沒有異議決定照案通過 |
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報告委員會本案完成程序後由委員登記發言每位委員發言時間兩分鐘我們首先請張家俊委員發言 |
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幫他講話 |
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這是一個令人感動的時刻謝謝韓院長、江副院長、大院的各位委員的支持讓今天可以通過《就業服務法》第46條修正讓80歲以上或70至79歲患有二期癌症以上的長者可以不用再申請巴氏量表就得以聘僱外籍看護移工這個政策 |
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是去年我向侯友宜市長提出的建議也成為國民黨去年大選所提出的政見今天我們兌現了今天通過這項修法也證明了國民黨說到做到 |
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國民黨是真正照顧社會各個族群的政黨2025年1月1號就是明天台灣就會正式進入超高齡社會隨著我們的扶老比上升對於允法族的照顧需求越來越大現行法律、現行政策並未考慮到一些突發政策常常要讓我們的老人裝傻 |
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大公大公讓他們沒有尊嚴而且面臨少子化嚴重的問題今天的修法可以減輕青壯家屬的負擔解放15萬青壯勞動力我們都希望 |
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不要讓突發的照護需求成為壓倒家屬的最後一根稻草讓85歲以上的長者能夠免除巴士量表繁複的申請程序代表著社會對於長者需求的體貼理解 |
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也成為許多家庭為了許多家庭減輕行政上的負擔通過本法案不僅是照顧到老人家更是造福整個社會今天的成果只是一個起點未來我們將繼續努力傾聽每一個需要幫助的聲音讓台灣成為一個真正能夠安享晚年的社會謝謝 |
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好 謝謝張委員下一位我們請吳春成委員發言好 今天就業服務法三讀通過政府 |
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不需要去誇大照護能力的不足以及照護能力的排擠而是應該要積極的來擴大發展我們的照護還有護理的能力這個要有系統性的去規劃我們的供給第二個就是要發展壯世代的計畫 |
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台灣從明天就進入了超高齡社會65歲上人佔人口的20%不只如此到2070年65歲上的人也就是我們所定義的老人將會佔到人口的46.5%這是國發會的資料 |
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未來台灣就是一個老人的社會而我們的老人現在平均臥床長達8年長達8年到底需要多少照護能力我們現在的政府的政策照目前的這個方式來規劃再多的人力都無法達到照護所以我才積極的推動壯世代的計畫 |
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規劃這些人有美好的第三人生讓他不臥床北歐國家把臥床的時間目標定為兩週、兩個禮拜我們長達到八年這樣子的一個積極的努力從發展這個計畫才是根本就清源的一個根本之道 |
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謝謝吳委員下一位我們請林淑芬委員發言也請羅廷維委員準備 |
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各位委員我們鬆綁外籍看護的申請應該要被看見的是被照顧者的需求而不是年齡今天這樣粗糙的修法看起來利益良善我必須要說這在未來會為失能者的家庭埋下永久的禍患第一個我們外籍移工的供應是供不應求的 |
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現在大福松綁了以後53萬人多了這些多了資格有53萬人但是呢在這種狀況裡面看護的勞動力市場進入賣方市場所以外籍看護他會選擇雇主而在這種狀況裡面重度的重症的失能的家庭他會請不到看護工這在歷史上在今天是這個糾正太粗糙了 |
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會為未來的康護的市場埋下一個永久的禍患國民黨要負責第二個我們講過沒有源源不絕的康護工日本、韓國也在搶外籍移工所以他們的平均薪資是4萬到5萬之間而台灣的康護工只有2萬 |
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那產業界 台灣的產業界也在搶移工所以大量的看護工不足的狀況然後外籍移工被搶到產業界然後到日本到韓國的狀況裡面呢台灣看護 要拼顧一個看護工的價格一定會大幅上漲而經濟弱勢的家庭的看護成本因為苦不堪言 |
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國民黨在未來也要負責如何看護移工的併顧成本大幅上升今天出錯的立法要負責第三,沒有能力負擔移工的失人家庭仰賴長照體系而國民黨時代長照預算50億小英總統到現在賴總統長照預算921億 |
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在未來要過渡到保險制度而今天出倉的修法會瓦解台灣的長照制度所以連經濟弱勢的家庭都得不到完整的服務的覆蓋這個國民黨未來也...好 謝謝林委員我們請羅廷偉委員發言也請陳穎委員準備 |
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明天就是2025台灣將進入高齡化社會65歲以上的老人口總人口數已經達20%每5個人就1人是老人我們國內私人人口也將高達100萬3000人次 |
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面對國內失能人口、家庭、照顧者長照從1.0進步到2.0但是長照真的好用嗎許多照顧需求的家庭照顧責任大多還是落在所有的職場打滾的子女身上 |
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所有這些職場的子女就是因為巴士量表卡關所以不能聘僱外籍看護只能辭職照顧家人像這樣子照顧離職的人數一年高達15萬人請問誰來照顧他們?執政者有看到嗎?我們要怎麼去解決這些私人家庭的問題而不是誇大 |
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切公講多少年了搶移工應該要政府想辦法而不是讓這些所謂的在職場在打拼的子女來去負擔長照2.0的服務對象因為評估等級高重症被照顧者實際上因為評估等級越高越重症的被照顧者他們所使用的長照服務比率卻相對的低 |
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換言之當被照顧者在使用長照2.0他們是更需要密集且夜間的照顧轉而聘僱家庭看護還有作為他們主要的一個選項這就是長照2.0現在的居家服務大多時段都還是以白天為主 |
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本次的修法重點就是免巴釋量表我們希望能夠真正的照顧到這些離職將近15萬人的離職子女我們也希望今天《救護法》第46條我們終於完成三讀我們說到做到謝謝羅委員請陳穎委員發言也請徐巧欣委員準備 |
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主席、各位同仁首先謝謝我們原住民得票最高、法律最專業的立法委員鄭天才繼上次修法大砍原住民的薪水之後現在良心發現不再堅持傷害剝奪原住民就業機會的提案讓我來告訴大家鄭委員的提案是如何傷害原住民 |
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我國引進外籍勞工已經超過30年了我相信很多人都不知道但是身為原住民的立法委員我很清楚我們的男性的這個原住民勞工呢有四成都在營造業工作然而今天我們要修就業服務法國民黨政天才委員原來的版本 |
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居然要偷渡聘僱原住民一名可以申請兩名外籍勞工更離譜的是不用真的聘僱原住民勞工只要繳交貸金就可以申請兩名外籍勞工大家好好想一想所謂的這個聘用原住民勞工到底是要聘僱多久難道薪資也是要比照基本工資嗎如果只是聘僱了幾天或者一個月這樣還可以再引進外籍勞工嗎 |
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別忘了現在產業外籍勞工一引進就可以停留12年那麼我們原住民的這個就業一次也可以聘僱12年這樣子被保障的嗎引進越多的外籍勞工之後把勞保投保人數增加了依照比例又可以引進更多的外籍勞工是不是原來聘僱原住民的勞工也可以免除了呢比例的部分是不是也應該要跟著調整呢 |
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貸金繳交了之後這筆錢能夠來協助原住民的勞工就業嗎?這些都是問題這樣子的規定是不是太本末倒置了呢?又互相矛盾的修法嗎?到最後引進外籍勞工只需要付基本工資在雇主的成本考量下當然是越多越好最後犧牲的還是我們原住民勞工的就業機會甚至影響我們的薪資所得所以本席堅決反對這個偷渡的這個救福的法案 |
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13044.912 |
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再次謝謝曾天才委員好謝謝曾英委員接下來我們請盧憲義委員發言也請林月琴委員準備知昔 |
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領演同仁、全國的鄉親大家好今天商讀通過的《就業服務法修正條文》通過了80歲以上免巴士量表是真正苦命所苦的良方真正照顧者與被照顧者在幾個層面上面第一,讓健保資源不被重複浪費第二,照顧者有多重選擇取代了疲憊奔命、回歸市場需求 |
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第3被照顧者尤其是清醒的人不用每年因為巴士量表要接受來自醫療體系家屬之間法規的層層壓力雖然今天三讀的版本本席尊重中國國民黨黨團與勞動部的意見 |
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也就是《就業法》第46條不宜在因年齡區分但在修正動議感謝納入本席在113年4月24日的提案也就是其被看護者具有原住民身份時其評估與認定方式應由衛生福利部會商原住民主委員會定之 |
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13124.27 |
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一位原住民普遍居住在偏遠地區與指定醫療機構距離遙遠又平均一命遠低於主流社會大概還有7歲的差距所以要開立專業評估所需要的時間跟心力遠多於主流社會 |
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原始衛生福利部與原住民委員會應於公告實施後立即啟動跨部會會議使具原住民身份者兼具一、80歲以上二、70到79歲患有癌症二期以上及三因他的身份而認定的適用條件的第三個選擇真正落實醫療平權跟照護平權又加上外籍看護工普遍來自南島與西國家與原住民族有文化跟語言上的相近 |
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主席、各位委員 |
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13212.61 |
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很遺憾、很痛心藍白還是不顧社會福利界的反對不聽重症需求家庭的心聲不聽學界的勸告強行通過圖利富有者、健康者壓迫我們的貧窮者、弱勢者的移工、聘僱法律這是台灣第一次以社會福利的名義來欺騙大眾通過的不義法律本席在此感到非常的憤怒、痛心 |
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13216.603 |
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處在大缺工的時代無論本國的勞工 |
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移工都嚴重的缺工藍白兩黨怎麼可以如此輕率透過人數的優勢讓這條法律通過未來53萬的80歲以上的健康長者只要聘僱率達到10%的時候就出現5萬的需求全體聘僱率如果達到30%的時候人數則提高到16萬的需求我就問藍白兩黨尤其是未完委員會的委員 |
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台灣哪來的這麼多的移工可以聘僱你們這是踐踏自己的專業糟蹋自己的工作橫延案裝睡的人叫不行何況藍白不是在裝睡是來亂的是故意在搞破壞造成這樣的後果本席擔心接下來23萬的中重度以上的聘僱家庭將遭受更嚴峻聘僱競爭的挑戰我們將面對昂貴的代價 |
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13295.644 |
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並陷入極端不穩定的移工聘僱關係藍白兩黨之前透過二修三法現在連移工的聘僱制度都不放過激化社會的紛爭藍白出身寸草不生社會大眾我們還要被惡搞多久今天身為未還委員會的議員我唾棄如此輕率踐踏國人法案已經有如此多社會福利界的夥伴出身組織 |
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13313.459 |
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但我們阻止不了藍白一己之私只能天佑台灣謝謝好 謝謝林委員討論事項第4案證券交易稅條例部分條文修正草案請宣讀審查報告 |
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13315.014 |
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13336.739 |
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本院財政委員會於113年10月16日、10月30日舉行全體委員會議進行審查會議由賴教級委員會員擔任主席財政部莊部長翠雲等應邀列行說明被詢由會員於聽取說明詢答及大體討論後對法案進行審查經在場委員充分溝通及寫生 |
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13337.279 |
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13364.549 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
及參考延長調降當日沖銷交易稅之稅市支出評估報告及延伸延長調降當沖交易證券交易稅實施期間公聽會之會議記錄案將全案審查完略令通過附帶決議一項原金決議並按領去審查報告提報院會本案與院會進行二讀前需交由黨團協商院會討論本案時由賴兆吉委員會員補充說明宣言完畢 |
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13367.257 |
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13388.814 |
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請召集委員、賴委員、會員補充說明無補充說明本案經審查會決議需交由黨團協商另外委員郭國文等提案經第2會期第9次會議決定近乎二讀與相關提案併案協商報告院會本案現已完成協商請宣讀協商結論 |
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13392.591 |
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13408.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
立法院黨團協商結論時間113年12月10日下午20時30分地點紅樓302會議室協商主題證券交易稅條例部分條文修正草案協商結論一第2條之二條文照行政院提案通過二 |
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13409.733 |
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13435.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
第16條條文維持現行條文三、其餘均照審查會審查結果通過四、新增附帶決議一項如復見協商主持人韓國瑜協商代表黃國昌、麥玉珍、吳淳澄、黃珊珊、傅坤祺、柯建民、吳世耀、蔡玉瑜、王紅薇、沈伯陽、林楚英、李坤澄、陳玉珍、林思明宣讀完畢請問院會對以上協商結論有違 |
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13436.667 |
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13448.46 |
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沒有異議本案主條討論時盡依協商結論處理證券交易稅條例請宣讀第二條之二 |
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2.自中華民國106年4月28日起至116年12月31日止同一證券商首通買賣或自107年4月28日起至116年12月31日止證券商自行買賣同一賬戶於同一營業日現款買進與現券賣出同種類同數量之上市或上位股票於出賣時按每次交易成交價格以千分之1.5稅率課徵證券交易稅 |
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| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
13508.241 |
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不適用第二條第一款規定適用前項規定稅率之股票交易應依金融主管機關證券交易所證券櫃台買賣中心訂定之有詐證券當日沖銷交易作業相關規定辦理宣讀完畢照行政院提案條文通過第八條維持現行條文第九條之一維持現行條文請宣讀第十二條 |
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13509.878 |
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13517.864 |
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第12條 依本條例規定由積身機關填發繳款書、通知繳納者稅款、存納金、代報金及發還等應由繳納人與繳款書送達後10日內繳納之宣讀完畢本條照審查會條文通過第16條 維持現行條文 |
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13535.928 |
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13542.253 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
報告委員會,全案經過二讀,依黨團共事,現有民進黨依黨團共事,我們繼續進行三讀請宣讀經過二讀之條文 |
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13560.055 |
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第二條之二自中華民國106年4月28日起至116年12月31日至同一證券商受託買賣或自107年4月28日起至116年12月31日至 |
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13568.719 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
13595.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
證券商自行買賣同一帳戶於同一營業日現款買進與現券賣出同種類同數量之上市或上位股票於出賣時按每次交易傳交價格依切分之1.5稅率課徵證券交易稅不適用第二條第一款規定適用前項規定稅率之股票交易因依金融主管機關證券交易所證券櫃台買賣中心訂定之 |
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13596.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
13613.007 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
有價證券當日沖銷交易作業相關規定辦理第12條依本條例規定由基金機關填發繳款書通知繳納之稅款至納金代報金及罰還等應由繳納人與繳款書送達後10日內繳納之宣讀完畢 |
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13624.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
13642.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
報告院會三讀條文已宣讀完畢請問院會有無文字修正無文字修正決議證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正通過繼續處理審查會及黨團協商通過之附帶決議請議事人員一併宣讀附帶決議之內容 |
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13650.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
13674.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
審查會通過附帶決議一項請財政部及金融監督管理委員會針對證券交易稅條例期貨交易稅條例娛樂稅法貸增獎金實施狀況及存續之必要性進行檢討收集意見以兩個月內向本院財政委員會提出書面報告寫章結論新增附帶決議一項 |
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13677.416 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
13701.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
請金融監督管理委員會針對延長調降當日沖銷交易稅執行效果建立評估指標及受惠對象分析並明定三年後期望達成之目標以確保國家給予稅負優惠之公平性及有效性宣讀完畢報告院會依協商結論均照案通過 |
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13706.031 |
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13731.684 |
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討論事項第5案本院民進黨黨團針對第11屆第2會期第12次會議報告事項第13案、第35案院會所作決定提出復議請公決案本案經第2會期第13次會議決議令定其處理報告院會依黨團共事本案作以下決議令定其處理 |
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討論事項第6案警察人員人事條例部分條文修正草案本案經第二會期第13次會議決議協商後再行處理報告院會依黨團共事做以下決議協商後再行處理 |
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討論事項第7案發展觀光條例部分條文修正草案本案經第二會期第13次會議決議協商後再行處理報告院會依黨團共事做以下決議協商後再行處理討論事項第8案本院委員黃建豪等人提案 |
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建請院會決議中央政府應先統計全國超過50年以上老舊校舍數目及所需拆除重建經費並得以編列特別預算方式於8年內完成一案本案經第二會期第13次會議決議協商後再行處理報告院會依黨團共事做以下決議協商後再行處理 |
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討論事項第9案國土計劃法部分條文修正草案請宣讀審查報告委員內政委員會於113年11月7日及11月21日召開全體委員會議審查本案由徐兆己委員新迎擔任主席除邀請提案委員說明提案要旨及地方政府代表一切說明並邀請相關機關代表列席報告並備諮詢 |
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與報告集群談完畢,選集進行條文審查與會委員與聽取說明並經準密討論後,完成全案之審查,令通過復旦決議六項全案併案審查完畢,擬具審查報告提報院會討論,院會討論前須經黨團協商院會討論時,推請徐肇元新營做補充說明宣讀完畢 |
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好,我們請召集委員、許委員欣迎補充說明無補充說明本案經審查會決議需交由黨團協商另外,委員劉建國等提案經第二會期第12次會議決議同意撤回委員陳淑月等、委員陳廷飛等委員盧憲一等、委員許宇貞等分別提案經第11次會議決定 |
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淨富二讀與相關提案併案協商、委員陳金輝等提案經第13次會議決定致委員會抽出淨富二讀與相關提案併案協商報告院會本案因協商已逾一個月無法達成共識依立法院職權行使法第71條之一規定由院會定期處理 |
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緣於本次會議提出討論現在進行廣泛討論依黨團共識現在進行黨團推派之代表發言首先請張委員齊凱發言時間3分鐘 |
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馬上就要跨年了先祝大家新年快樂我們也期待今天國土計畫法第45條的修正案是送給我們全民一個大紅包不要送的是一個大炸彈所以台灣民眾黨非常負責任的我們提出把原來第45條國土計畫公布實施後4年內 |
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4年內由中央主管機關指定日期公佈國土功能分區表把時間延長為 |
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公布實施六年內一併公布國土功能分區表幫我們的國家跟民眾都爭取到兩年的時間為什麼呢因為現在還有非常多的縣市政府跟團體跟民眾都有意見而且中央政府作業到目前也沒有完成 |
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更重要的我們期待這次的國土計畫的新修正是有它的積極面至少它要做到三個很重要的對我們的經濟發展是有幫助的第二個對於受到衝擊最大的農業發展跟農民的生計是要有所保障的第三個 |
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他對於我們台灣歷史上一個很嚴重的問題就是特登工廠的合法化的問題以前我們農業社會要進展到工商業的時候我們推動了 |
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客廳及工廠結果現在從新北市到桃園、台中一直嘉義一直到台南到屏東非常多的客廳工廠還在我們的農地上面所以我們期待這次的國土計畫法的修正一方面發展我們的經濟發展第二個保障農民的時候同時來解決 |
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這個歷史上的一個共業而且只要特登工廠問題可以解決對於我們台灣的整個經濟發展是非常有幫助的特別這次的國土計畫到目前為止看起來中央部會想的都還是把土地牢牢的綁死這樣是非常不好的 |
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我們都發現中美貿易大戰以來你看有多少台商多少國外的廠商回到台灣他要投資發現的是什麼五缺裡面最嚴重的就是缺土地了找不到土地第二個我們的糧食供應已經過了我們農地真的很多部分是可以適度的釋出了包括以前 |
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農業部的前身農業部還有很多部門都提出說現在我們的農地至少有五分之一到四分之一是可以四度的釋出的所以我們非常期待今天台灣民眾黨都幫我們全國的民眾爭取到兩年的時間這兩年我們要來規劃一下怎麼樣的國土規劃對經濟發展是有用的而且怎麼樣幫我們的農業這個產業的發展跟農民可以照顧得到我們共同送給我們全國民眾一個最好的紅包謝謝謝謝張委員 |
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下一位請蔡易宇委員發言請柯志恩委員準備 |
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主席、各位同仁我們今天在討論《國土計畫法》的修正主要也是因為《國土計畫法》這一部法律是在2015年的年底完成立法在2016年的5月正式上路在2016年上路後依它原始45條的規定中 |
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他要求由上路後的兩年要完成全國的國土計畫在2021年的4月30日要完成縣市的國土計畫在2025年4月30日要由各縣市要繳交國土功能的一個分區圖那這個2025是過去已經經過展延的時間那我們以目前 |
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已經到了2024的12月31日也就是明年就是2025年看起來各縣市來確認它的國土功能的一個分區還沒有辦法達到全國的一致所以沒辦法全國一致的情況之下也就是各地各縣市的 |
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未來所會面對的各個土地的分區會變得沒有辦法被中央來做一個整合的調整所以這樣的國土計畫是沒辦法完備而且對於很多縣市的 |
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基層的不管是農民或者是土地的地主他們對於國土計畫未來上路之後包括分為四個不同的包括國土保育區、海洋資源區、農業發展區及城鄉發展區然後每一個這四個土地裡面還有它不同的分類那這個分類會對於不同的土地有限制開發區域的一個效果 |
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但是很多人民對於這樣的一個限制開發或者是他們土地未來被限制的一個結果大家心還是有一個疑慮所以事實上在於上個月全國 |
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全國地方議長、副議長的聯誼座談會全國的議長、副議長那也通過了由我們嘉義縣議長張明達的提案各縣市國土計畫相關配套措施未到位前國土計畫法應暫緩實施以章立法的美議所以你看我們在於全國的基層的議長、副議長大家都有這樣的一個共識 |
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大家都認為說整個國土計畫他必須要把他的相關的配套必須要完備後來上路才不會造成進一步的一些擔心跟疑慮所以我們民進黨團我們主動來提案希望這個展園可以從4變成10也就是我們在用6年的時間用這一段時間大家來跟地方做充分的溝通讓未來的國土計畫的上路可以更加的完備 |
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那以上謝謝好謝謝蔡委員下一位請柯智恩委員發言請陳冠廷委員準備謝謝主席我們首先我們要祝福大家新年快樂在這個議場當中我們有非常多的紛爭但是仍然期許今天大家能夠平和能夠得到最大的共識我希望今天晚上12點的時候呢我見到的是我親愛的家人而不是各位 |
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國土計劃法原定是在4月30號就要上任但是到今天為止還有6個縣市對於沒有繳交國土功能的分區圖草原立委也有紛紛的提案希望要能夠修法展言剛剛參與委員已經充分的表達了他的意見了但是呢過去面對於民意強烈的反彈總統台院長也曾經說要尊重立法院的所謂的決議但是內政部長還有一些少數的委員卻表示要如期來上路 |
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然而不是只有前農業部長陳吉仲投訴反對政委陳金德也質疑有做過民調嗎今年9月我非常高興看到22位的民進黨立委跟國民黨一樣要求暫緩並且還直接向總統告預狀我想令內部的批評聲不對因為呢 |
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國民黨多位立委提出《國土計劃法》的修法草案本席也提出了《國土計劃法》的第45條的修正草案希望將現行規定《國土計劃》公告實施後4年內地方政府必須遞交國土功能分區圖的期限改為6年給予地方政府更多的緩易傳充的時間在這段時間當中能夠跟我們的民意代表能夠好好的溝通 |
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避免這個倉促的上路之後造成難以彌補的一些影響全農民的一個權益我想這個國土計劃法利益良善環團也是非常的支持但是過去8年並沒有做好充分的準備配套也不足、溝通也不足、執法未定充滿了分歧讓我們的農民非常的恐慌 |
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主要的爭議還是放在被化為城鄉發展地區的土地商機無限地價上漲但是一旦被化為國土保育、農業發展區的土地不但沒有看到一些補償或是補助的機制還受到禁止或限制使用的約束造成地價的崩跌農地將永遠為農地農家世世代代為農夫很難有翻身的機會 |
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所以我們在做這樣的政策的時候我們支持農地要農用但是不能只要求農地的地主犧牲小物農民看天吃飯辛苦地種植所得不高為了國家的糧食安全付出卻沒有任何看到好的補償措施如果違反使用凍雜罰30萬以上甚至100萬萬一開罰下去沒有農民可以承受得了 |
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所以讓我們中南部廣東農民非常的憂心所以呢我們最重要的是這麼重要的法案我們還是希望能夠充分的討論我們再一次呼籲草野立委支持修法給予台灣的土地跟農民權益留下一個凝聚共識、理性討論的轉圜空間謝謝各位大家新年快樂謝謝柯委員下一位請陳冠廷委員發言也請張家俊委員準備 |
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主席、各位同仁大家好 |
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那過去我們一直呼籲行政院還有主管機關應該要延後國土計畫法的實施日那其實不僅僅是我每次我們在山區我是來自嘉義縣山區的立法委員都會聽到很多的民眾跟我們反映國土計畫法切勿不要讓它這個倉促上路因為我們現在談的是人跟土地的關係是居民居住在這個土地的關係所以當我們在組備不充足的情況下上路的話 |
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他會引發的行政管理的混亂跟民眾的衝擊是沒有辦法逆轉的那如今我現在剛剛聽到不管是國民黨跟民眾黨都已經有一些修法的共識讓我們的這個國土計畫法的上路來去暫緩我對此是非常肯定的 |
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那這也是我一直對我們嘉義縣山區的民眾在我一直以來的訴求是一致的那我們現在已經做到主要就是希望把這個國土計畫法來去做暫緩但是我還是要強調國土計畫法是攸關台灣未來的重大政策我們沒有要否定它的立法初衷 |
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就像我們也支持整合區域計劃法維護環境保育、落實國土的永續使用的這些實用的目標我們都想要去做但是法規儘管良善執行面還是有一些疑慮需要去優先處理剛才幾位委員不管是在哪一個政黨都提到說國土功能分區如果劃分不當它會嚴重影響地方的發展還有居民的生計甚至是生活甚至是生存 |
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所以說我們嘉義山區許多的聚落是有人的聚落從日本時代、國民政府時代甚至在清嶺時代就居住在這一區但是被納入國土保育區的第一類它是限縮原本的生活空間限縮原本的生存空間所以這才會引發強烈的反彈 |
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這些地方包含農民的團體包含山區的居民他們對農地使用跟產業延續都提出很多的疑問我們知道許多NGO它是站在保育國土我們知道很多NGO是站在維護自然環境但永遠不要忘記台灣人民才是在我們這裡的主軸 |
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所以我必須再次呼籲包含行政院跟內政部我們加緊腳步完成各項規劃的這個協調機制過去包含圖資等等的這些整合我相信如果說我們把時間拉高到未來從現在開始的6年我們會有足夠的時間來一一的把它去處理好 |
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只有在法制面、技術面、財務面、財政面都準備完善之後國土計劃法才能夠真正成為保育環境也能夠丈夫地方推動永續發展觀光建政策那我們也會持續關注這個接下來的進度那希望說能夠得到各界的支持謝謝大家好 謝謝陳冠廷委員接下來請張家俊委員發言請陳廷飛委員準備 |
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主席、各位委員國土法的實施對人民的權利影響甚大但22個相關的執法至今能有7個尚未完備有6個縣市尚未繳交國土功能分區圖即便今天內政部趕在年底會再公佈4個相關執法 |
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但攸關人民土地使用權益最重要的國土計劃土地使用管制規則至今能遙遙無期而原定國土計劃法明年4月就要實施了這麼重要的一部法律執法不完備 |
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人民沒共識甚至連主管機關也不清楚人民的主張為何那就應該與人民繼續溝通解決相關疑慮之後再行上路國土計畫法最為人詬病之處在於嚴格對農地進行管控 |
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在被劃設為農一農二之後五年才有一次變更的用途機會形成限制了農民的使用權益而面對農民的堵貼又明顯不足農業部口口聲聲說會提出堆疊式的補助但至今能未提出任何的方案如果農業部不提 |
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我們要求農業權應該納入《國土計劃法》與相關法規中因為農地持有者的犧牲特別的犧牲就應該有特別的補償現在各縣市的農地分配量不同將會形成人口少的縣市反而要大量劃設農地的現象對此負擔全國糧食安全的責任不應該 |
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只由部分的縣市來負擔必須要有相互調和的作用有錢出錢 有力出力而且依照年度進行補償讓每個國民對於負擔糧食安全的責任均等 |
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《國土計劃法》的展言勢在必行本席主張應該延長6年這是因為內政部對相關準備不足研究不足與立法院與人民之間也沒有充分溝通討論只是一味的反對完全不了解人民需求甚至污名化農業權的主張唯有讓農業 |
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全的相關議題能得以充分討論才能讓台灣的農業與農民建立一個可長可久的制度讓務農不再成為低所得只能溫飽的行業能夠鼓勵更多年輕人投入所以我們希望主張國土計劃法延長6年 |
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不是只有農業縣背負糧食安全的責任而且讓全民都可以負起糧食安全的重大責任謝謝好 謝謝張委員接下來請陳廷飛委員發言也請游昊委員準備謝謝主席 |
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國土計劃法是在2015年年底通過的再次強調國土計劃法是在2015年通過的所以不應該是把丟包丟到現在的政府但是整個政策一個延續性的狀態我們有責任站出來去解決 |
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目前已經造成了各地農民的恐慌大家擔憂我們的農地是不是會被限建我們的農地是不是會因為國土計劃法而有所改變甚至會因為國土計劃法而造成我們的土地都沒了為什麼有這樣的誤解 |
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原本國土計劃法是要整合整個國家土地的一個發展性但是為什麼到現在有人的解讀是這個樣子因為被政治化了也因為在各縣市政府對於國土計劃法權責的問題完完全全有不一樣的解讀 |
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甚至光一個農政單位或是國土計劃法的主責單位、承辦人員跟科長跟主管所講的都不一樣 |
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如果連各縣市的主責單位對於國土計劃法的解釋都不同請問農民怎麼會知道什麼是對的什麼才是真正的國土計劃法如果已經被扭曲了甚至已經說到會影響到農權當然農民會跟你拼命 |
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我們這段時間所有的農民都在問我們說明年到底會不會上路我們未來的財產怎麼辦大家都在問同意的問題所以我們深深的呼籲相關單位行政院各部會一定要暫緩而且 |
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一定要讓所有的配套更加完整一定要讓每個各縣市的農政單位更清楚到底國土計劃法是什麼我們才能上路否則一定會被政治操作明明好的政策又被會扭曲甚至是污名化這絕對不是我們現在能夠為農民所做的所以我們認為一定要 |
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好 謝謝陳委員下一位請游昊委員發言 |
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在今天我們看到國土計畫法那國民黨黨團跟許多的委員一直的針對需要因地制宜暫緩實施那也在許多不管總質詢或者是在許多的內政委員會的質詢都不斷的提出要暫緩 |
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那我們也看到了活動計畫法像現在目前內政部在強行推動的部分許多執法跟配套完全都還沒有完成完畢那現在就想要貿然實施甚至所謂的地方溝通並不是跟農民不是跟農會溝通而只是希望要求強迫還有許多的縣市長一定要繳交這個分區使用圖 |
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在我們看到目前至少執法相關的七部都還沒有去做完整的修法甚至在地方上面來講我們許多縣市政府無所適從還限在地方包括農會與農民一片恐慌那我們看到內政部長那時候在總質詢的時候 |
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他提出他要來進行地方溝通到做進度幾乎為零那所以國民黨團等許多的委員不僅希望暫緩實施而且希望是暫緩6年讓這樣子重要的法案在地方上能夠完成充分的溝通讓地方上能夠充分的了解再來進行 |
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所以等一下國民黨黨團的表決也是在讓我們包括不僅是農業縣的南投縣或是各個縣市還都能夠充分的知道這樣子的國土計畫法的暫緩是許多我們各縣市來講大家共同的期望 |
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尤其是包括像雲林縣也有提到包括農業權入法的部分也希望在將來能夠一併來提出還一併的納入那在南投縣山坡地就佔了將近95%那對農民的影響、茶產業的衝擊、農產的衝擊非常的嚴重甚至在城鄉發展區只有2.72% |
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這些的一個修正來講沒有經過一個通盤的檢討這完全是不能夠來去實施的所以暫緩6年相信這是一個最好的一個方式那國民黨團的提案他也會兼顧照顧他所有的不管是國土的發展地方的發展農業的發展 |
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所以說在國土計畫法我們在這裡看到內政部的無作為那也希望他們痛定思痛來充分來檢討還來為暫緩的部分也要給予支持那來讓我們未來整理的發展也在南投農業線的發展各縣市的發展才能夠有未來最好的一個方式那在這裡六年的部分來去做暫緩絕對是最好的方式也是因地制宜暫緩實施最好的期限謝謝 |
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好 謝謝游委員法院會現在進行逐條討論沒有意見的話本案條文宣讀僅宣讀再修正動議其餘條文列入公報記錄另外本案條文進行處理時依序進行表決如果其中有任何一案通過即不再處理其他案 |
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15423.734 |
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好 抱怨會現在進行主條討論第7條由國民黨黨團撤回修正動議就不再處理請宣讀審查會條文 |
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第7條行政院因林併派學者專家、民間團體及有關機關代表召開國土計劃審議會以合議方式辦理下列事項一、全國國土計劃核定之審議二、部門計劃與國土計劃競合之協調決定中央主管機關因林併派學者專家、民間團體及有關機關代表召開國土計劃審議會以合議方式辦理下列事項 |
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一、全國國土計劃擬定或變更之審議二、直轄市縣市國土計劃核定之審議三、直轄市縣市國土計劃之複議四、國土保育地區及海洋資源地區及第24條第三項單數規定之使用許可、許可變更及廢止之審議 |
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五、中央主管經關許可造地施工計劃之審議指向市縣市主管經關應林併派學者專家、民間團體及有關經關代表召開國土計劃審議會以合議方式辦理下列事項一、指向市縣市國土計劃擬定或變更之審議 |
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二、農業發展地區及城鄉發展地區之使用許可許可偏更及廢止之審議三、指詳市縣市主管機關許可造地施工計畫之審議前二項審議事項涉及原住民族土地者應有原住民族代表參與宣讀完畢現在進行各黨團推派之代表發言首先請武力華委員發言時間3分鐘 |
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也請蘇清潔委員準備 |
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15559.271 |
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主席、各位立委同仁、全國的鄉親大家新年快樂今天我看到的修法版本在第7條有關國土計畫審議會的規定他們提及涉及原住民族土地應有原住民代表一人我在112年4月質詢的時候我就有要求各級國土計畫主管機關應該要邀請原住民族的機關、專家學者或民間團體代表來擔任委員 |
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15582.101 |
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國土署也在112年5月回函表示照案暴力所以今天我很支持這個條文但是我所不能理解的是在同一部的修正案當中我們竟然有聯名立委提案支持國土計劃法的延後上路這種矛盾的修法方式我覺得很遺憾 |
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各位要知道在1974年區域計劃法上路的時候因為沒有落實調查考慮土地的使用現況及合理性就直接編定用地造成什麼呢?礦區原住民部落的建物在一夕之間都變成了非法我們原住民族人好不容易在105年判來了國土計劃法這是一個第一個有納入原民諮商同意機制的公間規劃的法規 |
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而我們的原住民族土地管制規則也即將公告裡面有許多對原住民地區的例外規定可以解決我們過去原鄉部落許多土地利用合理卻不合法的情形像是零星的散戶、獨立戶、部落的聚會所或是傳統農耕區大家本來擔心要花費上百萬 |
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15634.192 |
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15652.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
才能夠讓房屋合法化的問題也已經取得內政部的承諾要以就有房屋證明來方式來協助我們族人用簡單的行政流程處理建屋合法的問題長期以來我想說的是政府的法令迫使我們原住民要跟時間賽跑 |
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根據內政部國土署的調查目前我們原住民族地區在105年5月1號以前位於非建地的既有建築也就是不合法的建築至少有6萬5千棟那麼多年的不合法好多人都在大排長龍竟然還要往後延 |
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數十年來我們原住民在自己祖傳的土地受到檢舉、稽查、不堪其擾這回國土計劃法如果要延後那麼延後的這段時間本來已經準備要合法的既有建築我們要怎麼面對我們要讓族人繼續的被檢舉、被稽查嗎 |
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我希望所有的縣市政府以及委員可以慎思國土計畫是10年前早就已經制定完成三讀通過繼續延後到底讓誰得利讓誰繼續受苦我身為原住民選出來的立法委員堅決反對國土計畫法延後上路傷害原住民權益謝謝好 謝謝胡委員各位委員我們可以用餐那今天因為 |
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15727.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
主席各位立委同仁媒體朋友大家好 |
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15745.714 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
15756.877 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
我們在2008年莫拉克風災之後我們整個國土地形地貌受到嚴重的扭曲所以才有這個國土計畫法的推出來 |
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其中有包括國土、保育、海洋資源、農業發展、城鄉發展等等四大功能現在倉促的要實施大部分人都反對尤其是我們農業館、殯董館、分林館農業為主的我們很多農民都很歡樂講一個很簡單的都市計畫管制的土地佔國土的13% |
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國家公園占了9%然後區域計畫法揮都市的土地占了78%又編了11種使用的分區19種使用的地幕每一個分區都可以變更轉換我很怕的是我們農地資源會被侵蝕所以這邊大家提出來的意見都是希望能夠 |
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更周詳的來研議單單我們屏東我們的農地分裡面的農地有農一、農二、農三到農五剛剛有立法委員在講的就是原住民區是農市我們農一的土地、農二的土地我們的農民的歡樂 |
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五年通盤檢討一次,現在已經五通了,就是已經25年了每一次在通盤檢討就產生很大的爭議,甚至以拔刀相見等等,所以每一次都很痛苦 |
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沒有像你想像的那麼簡單國土計畫法實施之後一切美好革命情勢一片美好胡說八道的所以大家一定要從長計議大家一定要規劃好好寫不能因為環團說不能因為少數的縣市延宕而阻礙他的上路這是不對的說法我們很多縣市現在提不出來因為他們想的 |
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我們民眾官如果都跌,我看不會一腳、不會一公頃,難道來台北市要一間便宿?這人不是中來的,你是要補助他嗎?他幾世都要為了糧食生產,那我們一年要補助他幾十萬?有人提四十萬,有人提五十萬等等,所以再一次的跟大家報告 |
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這個案子一定要從長期更周延很高興我們三個黨都有提出這種想法這是非常好的謝謝大家好 謝謝蘇委員請問議員會本條照審查會條文通過有依沒有依第7條照審查會條文通過 |
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現在進行第8條請宣讀條文 |
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民進黨黨團再修正動議第8條國民黨黨團再修正動議第8條國土計劃之種類如下一、全國國土計劃二、指向市縣市國土計劃中央主管機關擬定全國國土計劃時得會商有關機關就都會區域或特定區域範圍研擬相關計劃內容指向市縣市政府一得就都會區域或特定區域範圍共同研擬相關計劃內容 |
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報中央主管機關審議後納入全國國土計劃直轄市縣市主管機關擬定直轄市縣市國土計劃時得辦理鄉村地區整體規劃並是實際需要研擬鄉村地區計劃納入直轄市縣市國土計劃並得另以覆測方式定之直轄市縣市國土計劃應遵循全國國土計劃國家公園計劃、都市計劃及各目的事業主管機關擬定之部門計劃 |
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應遵循國土計畫宣讀完畢現在進行各黨團推派之代表發言首先請王育民委員發言時間3分鐘 |
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主席、各位委員同仁大家好國土計劃法原本是希望透過法令去保護台灣這片土地不要再有濫墾的問題但是這個法在明年4月30號要上落同時其實還引發非常多的爭議主要是現在政府跟農民的溝通是完全不足的 |
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以嘉義縣來說它是農業大縣翁章良縣長已經送出了功能分區圖但是所有嘉義縣的農民現在依然抗爭不斷、抱怨不斷主要是這個執行的過程、劃設的過程完全沒有跟農民充分的溝通 |
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嘉義縣是農業大縣也是觀光大縣嘉義縣有很多的山區包括大阿里山地區從阿里山、竹崎、梅山這些山區的地方農民他們長期在這邊生活他們仰賴的是觀光他們仰賴的是種茶他們仰賴的是在土地上面種植一些經濟作物維持他們基本的生計而今天 |
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政府強行要讓國土計劃法實施上路這當中的溝通完全沒有到現場跟農民一對一的溝通而他們劃設的標準很多山區直接大筆一揮就變成是國土保育區 |
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不准開發請問完全限制開發多數地方被限制為是國土保育區農民的生計怎麼辦嘉義縣的觀光怎麼辦所以到目前為止我還接受到非常多嘉義縣的農民他們的抗議他們一再的請託希望國土計劃法要暫緩上路不要影響到他們最基本的生計跟生存權 |
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葛珮帆議員 |
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佔款上路然後讓政府單位必須彎下腰來跟當地的農民有更多的溝通對於農民來講土地是他們生活最重要的一部分那今天政府輕易的要去劃設讓他的土地不准做任何的開發 |
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這個當然是要跟農民做最充分的一個溝通所以從總諮詢到現在我的主張都是國土計畫法要暫緩實施我們保障農民的生存權、生計權謝謝好 謝謝王委員下一位我們請劉建國委員發言 |
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好,謝謝主席,各位同仁我想針對國土計畫法的部分條款的修正草案特別要提出暫緩實施的應該是民進黨的黨團我想從今年的5月、6月甚至於7月、8月再到9月20號 |
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都有對外的相關的這樣的一個記者會召開甚至也面見到院長卓院長特別做相關的提出就現在要我特別提出的針對公共計畫法第8條修正草案也就是說 |
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當地方政府在劃測這個國土計畫的相關的四大功能分區的過程裡面所得到出來的跟以實際上要讓國土計畫這樣的一個法律去執行的過程裡面顯然有很大的偏差我們必須要用最快的速度 |
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去將與他導政所以我們希望回歸到給地方政府有更大的這樣的權限做好這樣的一個整體的鄉村的一個規劃所以第8條就是希望讓鄉村整體規劃可以來入法讓地方政府 |
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更有這樣的一個自主的權利把四大功能分區畫得更清楚、更精準我們希望是精準的我們不是希望漫無這樣一個目標畫到亂七八糟好比剛剛又聽到蘇清瓊委員特別提到屏東跟雲林、嘉義 |
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來做這樣的農業大限比喻那各位可以想到之後用一個最簡單的數據屏東現在的還未國土計畫實施的時候它的整個特農的部分是一萬一千多公頃未來國土計畫實施之後它剩下五千五百公頃但我們雲林目前的特農是將近五萬五千公頃 |
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農曆之後變成6萬公頃足足大過屏東縣的12倍但是農業產值而言我們幾乎只有多屏東100多億顯然這是一個非常不合理的畫色不只如此因為縣有20鄉鎮有做鄉村整體規劃的不到5個鄉鎮所以其他25個鄉鎮 |
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都希望可以來做更精準的這樣一個鄉村規劃我想對農民而言對整個鄉村的發展對農業的發展都是一個更好的一個利器所以今天我希望在這邊不分朝野大家既然希望把國有企劃延後也可以支持這個第8條鄉村整體規劃可以加入在這個國有企劃的一個範疇裡面我們希望農民可以得到更好的這樣的一個保障 |
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農地可以做最適當的一個規劃希望有這個緩衝時間希望各位黨團的各黨的成員大家可以共同來支持謝謝大家 謝謝好 謝謝劉委員黨團推派代表之發言完畢報告院會 |
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民進黨黨團、國民黨黨團分別所提第8條再修正動議條文相同所以一併處理請問院會本條照民進黨黨團、國民黨黨團再修正動議條文通過有依依沒有依依第8條照民進黨黨團、國民黨黨團再修正動議條文通過現在進行第23條請宣讀條文 |
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國民黨黨團再修正動議第23條國土保育地區以外之其他國土功能分區如有符合國土保育地區之劃設原則者除應依據各該國土功能分區之使用原則進行管制為並應按其資源、生態、景觀或災害特性及程度予以禁止或限制使用國土功能分區及其分類之使用地類別辨定 |
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變更規模可建築用地及其強度應經申請統一使用項目條件程序免經申請統一使用項目禁止或限制使用及其他應遵行之土地使用管制事項之規則由中央主管儘管定之但屬實施都市計畫或國家公園計畫者仍依都市計畫法、國家公園法及其相關法規實施管制前項規則中涉及原住民族土地 |
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海域及部落之使用管制者應依原住民族基本法第21條規定辦理並由中央主管機關會同中央原住民族主管機關訂定指向市縣市主管機關得知地方實際需要依全國國土計劃土地使用指導事項由該管主管機關另訂管制規則並報警中央主管機關核定 |
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互防及重大制公共設施或公用事業計畫等於各國土功能分區申請使用宣讀完畢現在進行各黨團推派之代表發言首先請徐富奎委員發言時間3分鐘 |
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謝謝主席我們各位立委同仁今天是我們2024這個最後一天那在這邊我想還是要希望這個不管是我們民進黨還是國民黨跟民眾黨的委員大家都都站在這個能夠 |
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針取福國利民法案共同努力捍衛台灣我來自屏東縣我們屏東也是一個農業大縣我們看到過去我們年長一輩的農民他們辛勤耕作捍衛我們糧食的安全我們現在也看到我們很多的年輕的朋友很多的青農他們投入農林漁牧的一個行業希望能夠安居樂業 |
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但是面對過去我們這樣一個無秩序的發展造成農地的破壞還有不當的開發所以我們希望爭取這個國土計畫法的一個修訂那民進黨政府很負責任的在執政的期間我們不斷的盤點、溝通、規劃希望就是讓我們台灣的土地能夠走向一個永續發展的一條道路 |
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原本預定明年4月底要上路的國土計畫很遺憾的目前還有6個縣市沒有提出國土的功能分區圖造成我們沒辦法完成全國的評估代表我們需要有更多的溝通跟協調 |
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不諱言國土計畫法影響最大的就是所謂的一個農業縣市農業縣那我想除了我們的政府我們的縣市政府有一些的規劃上的一些問題之外那當然還有很多民眾對於這樣的一個修法的情緒的不滿代表我們這個內容怎麼樣要確保我們農民的權益之外還有很多努力的空間那我們不諱言過去我們民進黨政府的努力 |
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希望能夠積極的規劃修正國土計畫法就是希望能夠對於這個一個土地的一個使用上面能夠有更好的一個規劃跟說明所以我們也期待我們相關部會有責任把這個國土計畫法說得更清楚讓我們鄉親可以更放心、更安心能夠接受這個國土計畫的一個實施 |
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那未來我們農業縣面對國土計畫法上路之後當然對我們所謂的一個土地的利用的限制跟所謂的農業的一個補貼損失的部分也應該有一個更完整的一個配套我想農業部有提出了我們未來要支持農民更應該要精進農業應該不是只有向國民黨委員提出的只有一個農業群的部分 |
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我想這個會造成土地永遠被做成一個農地的使用並不是一個好的一個方案那後續我想我們內政部應該要積極溝通各縣市將這個六個縣市沒有提出國土計畫功能分區土的部分應該儘早提出那我們農業部的部分也應該對於我們的農業發展保護農民的部分提出一個精進的方案我想未來避免財團惡意的炒作農地買賣傷害農民的權益才是我們共同要努力的目標謝謝 |
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主席、各位委員 |
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國土計劃法在第8屆審查的時候我提出了很多能夠保障原住民族的條文因為我們原住民族第7最主要的很多都在國土復育期還有農業發展期所以我們很多的做到很大限制所以現行的條文都是我當時在第8屆的時候所申請的 |
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而今天所要談的第23條最主要就是因為原住民族基本法在104年的時候修正了除了土地、海域之外原住民族土地及海域還增加了部落及部落周邊一定範圍這個是 |
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原住民族基本法第21條在104年修正公布的條文所以本席也特別提出這次國土計畫法要修正就應該也要把部落及其部落一定範圍在內政委員會審查的時候還有朝野協商的時候對於部落一定範圍大家還有疑慮所以 |
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在內政部一直有意見而事實上把部落放進去內政部也有意見經過多次的溝通之後他們同意把部落放在裡面很遺憾的就是部落及其周邊一定範圍還沒有辦法納入進去這是我們援助民主的立委要共同的繼續來爭取這是對於我們 |
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國土富裕地區以及農業發展區我們很多的一個部落都是需要有好的一個使用在這邊特別特別的來跟大家做一個這樣的一個說明另外針對就業服務法第46條的規定剛才吳立華委員的發言陳穎委員的發言 |
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韓國瑜委員 |
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我們看起來需要再好好的溝通我希望原住民的立委已經是非常的少數有什麼意見我們應該坐下來好好的溝通讓我們的權益能夠有更好的爭取以上報告 謝謝 |
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我們各黨團推派職代表均已發言完畢請問院會本條照國民黨黨團在修正動力條文通過有無異議沒有異議第23條照國民黨黨團在修正動力條文通過 |
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報告院會現在進行增訂第32條之一現有徐宇貞委員撤回提案沒有意見的話徐宇貞委員提案就予以撤回增訂第32條之一就不予處理現在進行第35條國民黨黨團撤回其再修正動議及修正動議就不予處理 |
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請宣讀審查會條文第35條下列地區等由目的事業主管機關劃定為國土富裕促進地區進行富裕工作涉及原住民族土地或部落者應經中央原住民族主管機關統一,土石流高前市地區二,嚴重山崩地滑地區三,嚴重地層下滑地區四,流域有生態環境劣化或安全之餘地區 |
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5、生態環境已嚴重破壞退化地區6、其他地質敏感或對國土保育有嚴重影響之地區前向國土富裕促進地區之劃定公告及廢止之辦法由中央主管機關會商、相關目的事業主管機關定之國土富裕促進地區之劃定機關由中央主管機關協調有關機關決定協調不成報行政院決定之宣言完畢 |
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現在進行各黨團推派之代表發言首先請黃委員建兵發言時間3分鐘主席各位委員在平安 |
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國土計畫法的核心精神是要以全國性的視角引導土地的使用避免過度破碎化同時要兼顧發展以及環境保護 |
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而這次會引起這麼多的爭議就是因為在缺乏配套措施的狀況下也沒有充分的溝通若貿然的去進行劃設將會衝擊台灣的農業長期發展也會衝擊到許許多農民辛苦的權益這樣一來就喪失了國土計畫法原本的美意 |
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不周延的國土計劃法不應急救章請中央正視並消除民眾的疑慮目前依中央規劃的國土計劃法明年4月上路內政部強烈要求各縣市年底送交國土計劃分區土而台東縣 |
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也在期限內完成不過我們也收到了高達2912件相關的陳情案件而在這2912件的陳情案件中高達7成單身自家被化身成農業發展分區卻未列入第4類的鄉村聚落後土地使用將受限 |
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另外有兩成的民眾不清楚各國土分區的土地容許使用規定無法確認對自身權益的影響除此之外,台東縣多達184個原住民部落 |
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部分面臨居住腹地不足建物無法合法化的問題有的鄉親則散居在部落範圍以外居所將被化為國土保護地區當中衍生所有的問題引發所有民眾的焦慮而這次的修法就是要避免國土計劃法倉促上路一定要中央地方充分的溝通相關配套措施及執法也要一併盡快完成才可以守護全民的權益 |
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確保台灣農業未來穩健的發展以及整體國土規劃引導城鄉發展也希望我們在場所有的委員能夠來支持這次的修法 |
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國土計劃法展延6年本席主張應復全地方與個案變更的彈性第一個 國土計劃法剛性劃分土地功能分區由上而下指導地方農地被定義農一到農五只能進行農業用途內政部宣稱地方政府可以有權進行農村地區整體規劃但事實上縣市政府只能做基本調查規劃與研理意見給中央不具備 |
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公人分居地的變更的權利在土地劃定為農保一、農保二的土地所有權能事實上是大幅限縮民眾的財產的權利市場的機制必當限縮農保土地的交易價格限定農保地的地主都將可能會變相成為21世紀的世襲農地奴 |
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在國土計劃第20條明定中新訂或擴大都市計劃案件應以位屬於城鄉發展地區者為限此等剝奪了地方政府對空間規劃的能力縣市政府對非都市計劃的土地將無從自主規劃比如大南方科技S囊帶核心地區的湖內、岡山、阿聯等區就是以非都土地居多高雄市政府沒有辦法必須依國土計劃法來罷分 |
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將無法報編工業區或產業園區賴總統的大南方新矽谷計畫也無法擴散再者,我們東高雄的九個行政區、非都的農業區最多在國土計畫法要求下無法興建長照、誘託、龍水路等設施缺乏彈性的農業區也因為 |
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基礎設施難以完善將導致農業人口的持續流失土地更難農用的狀況國土計劃法不應該只剩下中央有權變更分區應提供地方更多的配套讓縣市政府除了保留通盤檢討的權利也可依都市計劃法第12條為發展工業或 |
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保留優美風景或其他的目的而劃定特定區國際局勢變遷順息招商引資更要保護機會用地規劃無法等待10年趁這20年一次的全國國土計畫檢討提供地方政府彈性就是提供地方發展的機會好謝謝林委員請問議員會本條照審查會條文通過有依 |
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沒有異議第35條照審查會條文通過現在進行第40條請宣讀條文民進黨國民黨黨團在修正動議第40條維持現行條文不予修正宣讀完畢現在進行各黨團推派代表發言首先請邱毅英委員發言 |
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主席各位同仁新年快樂我們現在要討論的是國土計劃法第40條第40條我們要討論的是檢舉獎金制度的修訂問題依照現行的條文規定政府透過提供民眾檢舉獎金以提高社會大眾監督土地使用的狀況然而我們必須審慎檢討這樣的制度是否仍符合當前社會需求與時代發展的趨勢 |
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當初設置檢舉獎金制度是為了補足地方主管機關在人力以及經費上的不足然而我們可以看到這幾年來交通違規的檢舉亂象已經引發社會不安警政署也因此取消了交通違規案件的檢舉獎金如今國土計劃法 |
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如果仍然保留檢舉獎金制度恐將重蹈覆轍造成鄰里之間互相檢舉或是檢舉達人橫行破壞社會和諧此外,隨著科技的發展執法人員其實已經能夠利用衛星影像、航照圖以及空拍機等技術進行土地違規查緝我們認為應該充分運用 |
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這些科技資源以強化政府執法的能力取代依賴檢舉獎金制度本席也曾經針對這一點質詢卓榮泰院長院長也曾表示政府應該鼓勵人民互相關懷而非互相監控這句話提醒我們治理應該以社會和諧與信任為基礎而非透過獎金制度檢舉 |
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來刺激檢舉行為因此本席提案刪除國土計劃法第40條檢舉獎金制度改為政府應增加預算與人力加強查緝土地違規使用二、善用科技工具提高執法效率確保違規案件能夠獲得有效賀紙 |
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雖然內政部在最近有公告國土計畫土地違規使用檢舉獎勵辦法針對大面積的違規行為維持檢舉獎金對於小規模的違規行為則取消獎金制度但是本席認為這樣子雖然有助於嚇止重大違規案件但是也可能導致政府對於小型違規的忽視因此本席仍然建議 |
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應該全面取消檢舉獎金制度避免檢舉制度濫用並我認為還是要強調政府應該透過科技與專業的棄查來維持國土的管理秩序懇請大院所有的委員同仁能夠支持本項的修法謝謝好 謝謝邱委員 |
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法院會各黨團推派委員均已發言完畢請問院會本條照國民黨黨團再修正動議通過維持現行條文有依沒有依第40條照國民黨黨團再修正動議通過維持現行條文不予修正現在進行第45條請宣讀條文 |
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民眾黨黨團再修正動議第45條中央主管機關因於本法實行後2年內公告實施全國國土計劃指向實現式主管機關因於全國國土計劃公告實施後3年內依中央主管機關指定之日期一併公告實施指向實現式國土計劃並於指向實現式國土計劃公告實施後6年內 |
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一、中央主管機關指定之日起一併公告國土功能分區圖指向市縣市主管機關一前向公告國土功能分區圖之日起區域計畫不再適用 |
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民進黨黨團再修正動議第45條中央主管機關應於本法實行後2年內公告實施全國國土計劃指向市縣市主管機關應於全國國土計劃公告實施後3年內依中央主管機關決定之日期一併公告實施指向市縣市國土計劃 |
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並於指向市縣市國土計劃公告實施後10年內依中央主管機關指定之日期依並公告國土功能分區圖指向市縣市主管機關依前項公告國土功能分區圖之日期區域計劃法不再適用第二項國土功能分區圖公告前依區域計劃法第15條規定申請使用地變更編訂及依第15條之一規定 |
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申請許可制開發計劃其最終受理申請時間由中央主管機關公告之 |
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國民黨黨團再修正動議第45條中央主管機關應於本法實行後2年內公告實施全國國土計劃指向實現式主管機關應於全國國土計劃公告實施後3年內依中央主管機關指定之日期也並公告實施指向實現式國土計劃並於指向實現式國土計劃公告實施後10年內依中央主管機關指定之日期 |
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一併公告國土功能分區圖指向市縣市主委機關依前項公告國土功能分區圖之日起區域計劃法停止適用宣讀完畢 |
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主席及各位同仁大家好國土計畫是未來國家永續發展的重要指引法規體系龐大而且所涉的議題眾多包含土地使用、交通、文化、生態跟產業經內政部盤點工需要完成23部的計畫執法但迄今還有7部執法尚未發布未完成的比例將近三分之一其中更包含影響民眾權益盛大的國土計畫土地使用管制規則 |
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也因為該規則未發布導致國土計畫上路後相關的建壁率、容積率、土地容許使用等內容也尚未定案另外有關國土保育費及影響費收取辦法、國土計畫使用許可申請辦法等也都尚未發布然而除了上述的23部執法之外,尚有內政部、農業部、經濟部等13部 |
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會的52部法律上代配合修正但相關部會溝通不足推動進度緩慢這才使得民眾及地方民意代表質疑相關配套都尚未完成國土計畫真的該如此上路失極嗎? |
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有些縣市沒有辦法繳交工人分區圖並非地方政府不努力而是因為現行的劃設條件與實際情況存在諸多的落差導致地方政府在規劃過程中面臨大量民眾的陳情與困難這樣重要的計畫理應給予地方政府 |
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充分的時間進行調查與合理的規劃以確保劃設內容的完善與實際的可行性更何況許多縣市的產業政策與國土計劃原則之間已經出現了明顯的衝突這些衝突、矛盾都需要時間來調整與協調而非倉促的推動 |
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我在上個會期就已經提出第45條的展延修正很高興看到民進黨的委員能夠崇善如流的支持展延我也在此呼籲朝野立委請支持《國土計畫法》全面實施展延六年在這六年間政府需要做的是徹底解決村級農業、農地的問題更應該聽取地方政府與民眾的意見技術研擬完善的配套 |
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並研擬農業權的修法讓這部法律真正符合全國人民的需求只有這樣國土計劃法才能成為一部對得起這片土地與人民的好法案而不是製造混亂與對立的根源法律的目的是為了服務人民而非增加人民的負擔展延六年不是拖延而是為了更好的準備不是懈怠 |
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而是為了更完善的實施我相信這才是我們草野立委共同期待的方向謝謝 |
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謝謝主席那我想台灣是一個海島國家我們台灣的土地是有限的所以為了確保台灣整體土地的利用以及糧食的安全農業部有一個總量管制就是他認為適當的農地在74至81公頃那也就是 |
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之所以2015年的時候在馬英九執政年代通過的《國土計劃法》這個《國土計劃法》將控管全國78%的非都市土地所以我們等於有這78%的土地就是未來《國土計劃法》上路之後應該要適用的 |
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那我們把這78%又閃在各縣市呢如果以嘉義縣為例的話嘉義縣有41.6%是國土保育地有15.2%是海洋資源區農業發展區36.3%城鄉發展區6.7%所以可以看出說在不同縣市之間事實上他們要承載他們需要做國土保護 |
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作農地的糧食安全或者是水源區的保障事實上每個縣市承載的不一樣那也就是說我在財政計劃法修法的時候我也主張事實上你在縣市分配財政規劃的時候你應該要把農地的比例以及這一些 |
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這個國土保育地的比例應該要納入指標讓所謂的農業縣或者是山區那個水源地的一個比較多的地方事實上應該要拿到更多的財政分配那很可惜勒在財政計畫法修法的時候我們的這樣的主張是最後沒有被刪讀甚至沒有被討論到那相對應回來國土計畫 |
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國土計畫我們如果急於在今年的就是明年明天開始的2025年這4月30號要上路的話基本上很多農民他們在當初劃設的時候到底他的農地未來他是屬於農一或者是農二基本上他不知道劃設的基準是什麼在過去曾經有一個概念叫做說會期如果是特定農業區他未來可能就是農一 |
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或者他是一般農業區未來可能就是農二那農一跟農二他的使用的限制到底是怎樣農民也不知道那以及說農一類他過去的特定農業區他可能是種植水稻因為他有比較好的 |
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整個的這個水利設施那如果是農二一般農業區他沒有他的水利設施沒有農醫好那但是現在我們看到的就是說這樣的過去咱恭喜兩田的地方結果他因為未來他 |
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會被化身成農醫的話他的限制多所以農民對於農醫的擔憂就比較多那所以這都不符合農民在持有土地他們這個土地未來的發展他們是無法會被這個國土計畫法框架 |
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楊瓊瓔等21人報告併案審查委員 |
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現在我們表決台灣民眾黨黨團再修正動議條文我們現由民進黨黨團及台灣民眾黨黨團要求記名表決我們記名表決時間一分鐘贊成台灣民眾黨團請按贊成反對請按反對現在開始 |
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報院會報告表決結果出席106位、贊成8位反對47位、棄權51位報院會現在我們表決結果科普兩方均沒有過半數我們依照規定要重新表決我們現在重新表決的時候以多數為可決我們現在進行重新表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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報告重審表決結果出席107位、贊成者9位、反對者48位、贊成者少數台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議條文不通過報告委員會范雲委員發表聲明對於剛才的表決與民進黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄 |
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本院會現在表決民進黨黨團再修正動議條文現在有民進黨黨團要求記名表決贊成民進黨黨團再修正動議條文請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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報告表決結果 出席107位 贊成46位 反對52位 棄權9位本案表決結果一樣 可否兩方均沒有過半數我們依照規定要重行表決 重行表決時以多數為可決 |
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邱毅英委員發表聲明剛才表決結果與民進黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄我們現在進行重新表決贊成民進黨黨團的意見在修正動議請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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本院會報告重新表決結果在場委員107位贊成47位反對51位棄權者9位贊成則少數民進黨黨團修正動議條文不通過 |
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各位現在表決國民黨黨團在修正動議條文現由民進黨黨團要求記名表決我們記名表決時間一分鐘贊成國民黨黨團在修正動議條文請按贊成反對請按反對現在開始 |
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報告表決結果出席107位贊成50位反對48位棄權9位報告表決結果可否雙方均沒有過半數依照規定我們要重新表決重新表決時以多數為可決我們現在進行重新表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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報告會現有羅廷偉委員發表聲明剛才表決結果與國民黨黨團一致我們列入公報記錄現在報告重新表決結果在場委員107位贊成50位反對48位棄權9位贊成者多數第45條照國民黨黨團在修正動議條文通過 |
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本院會現在全案經過二讀我們國民黨團、民進黨黨團提議繼續進行三讀請問院會有異議沒有異議我們現在宣讀經過二讀這條文 |
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第7條行政院因林聘派學生專家、民間團體及有關機關代表召開國土計畫審議會以合議方式辦理下列事項一、全國國土計畫核定之審議二、部門計畫與國土計畫競合之協調決定中央主管機關因林聘派學生專家、民間團體及有關機關代表召開國土計畫審議會 |
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以合議方式辦理下列事項一、全國國土計劃擬定或變更之審議二、直轄市縣市國土計劃核定之審議三、直轄市縣市國土計劃之複議四、國土保育地區及海洋資源地區及第24條第三項單書規定之使用許可許可變更及廢止之審議 |
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五、中央主管機關許可造地施工計劃之審議指向市縣市主管機關應靈命派學者專家、民間團體及有關機關代表召開國土計劃審議會以合議方式辦理下列事項一、指向市縣市國土計劃擬定或變更之審議二、 |
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農業發展地區及城鄉發展地區之使用許可、許可變更及廢止之審議三、指轄市縣市主管機關許可造地施工計劃之審議前二項審議事項涉及原住民族土地者應有原住民族代表參與 |
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第8條 國土計畫之種類如下一、全國國土計畫二、指向市縣市國土計畫中央主管機關擬定全國國土計畫時等會上有關機關就都會區域或特定區域範圍研擬相關計畫內容指向市縣市政府一等就都會區域或特定區域範圍共同研擬相關計畫內容報中央主管機關審議後納入全國國土計畫 |
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紫霞市縣市主管機關擬定紫霞市縣市國土計劃時得辦理鄉村地區整體規劃並是實際需要研擬鄉村地區計劃納入紫霞市縣市國土計劃並得另以負責方式定之紫霞市縣市國土計劃應遵循全國國土計劃國家公園計劃、都市計劃及各目的事業主管機關擬定之部門計劃應遵循國土計劃 |
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第23條 國土保育地區以外之其他國土功能分區如有符合國土保育地區之劃設原則者除應依據各個國土功能分區之使用原則進行管制外並應按其增援、生態景觀或災害特性及程度予以禁止或限制使用 |
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國土功能分區及其分類之使用地類別編定變更規模可建築用地及其強度應經申請同意使用項目條件程序免經申請同意使用項目禁止或限制使用及其他運遵行之土地使用管制事項之規則由中央主管機關定制但屬實施都市計劃或國家公園計劃者人依都市計劃法、國家公園法及其相關法規實施管制 |
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前項規則中涉及原住民族土地、海域及部落之使用管制者應依原住民族基本法第21條規定辦理並由中央主管機關會同中央原住民族主管機關訂定指向涉憲市主管機關得釋地方實際需要依全國國土淨化土地使用指導事項由該管主管機關另訂管制規則並報請中央主管機關核定 |
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國防及重大制公共設施或公用事業計畫等於各國土、公能分區申請使用 |
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第35條下列地區等由目的事業主管機關劃定為國土富裕促進地區進行富裕工作涉及原住民族土地或部落者應經中央原住民族主管機關統一,土石流高侵蝕地區二,嚴重山崩地滑地區三,嚴重地層下陷地區四,流域有生態環境劣化或安全之餘地區 |
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5、生態環境已嚴重破壞退化地區6、其他地質敏感或對國土保育有嚴重影響之地區前向國土富裕促進地區之劃定公告及廢止之辦法由中央主管機關匯商相關目的事業主管機關定之國土富裕促進地區之劃定機關由中央主管機關協調有關機關決定協調不成報行政院決定之 |
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第45條 中央主管機關應與本法實行後2年內公告實施全國國土計劃指向實現式主管機關應與全國國土計劃公告實施後3年內依中央主管機關指定之日期依併公告實施指向實現式國土計劃並與指向實現式國土計劃公告實施後10年內依中央主管機關指定之日期依併公告國土功能分區圖 |
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許祥順縣市主管機關依前向公告國土功能分區圖出日期區域計劃法停止適用宣讀完畢報告院會三讀條文宣讀完畢請問院會有文字修正沒有文字修正我們現在做以下決議國土計劃法第7條 |
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第8條、第23條、第35條及第45條條文修正通過會員會我們本法條次及條文中之條次我們授權議事人員調整繼續我們來處理審查會所作之附帶決議請議事人員宣讀附帶決議之內容 |
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審查會通過附帶決議六項一、為維護原住民土地權益本法修正後請內政部於三個月內針對零星住戶的住宅使用權利比照容式等四項研議具體可行之改善措施送內政委員會二、 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
19231.643 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
19252.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
為競速改善並維護原住民土地權益請內政部依原定期程會同人民會議於114年5月1日公告施行原住民土地使用規則三、為落實原住民土地轉型正義並維護原住民土地權益請內政部於原住民土地區未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
19253.958 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
19281.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
鄉村地區整體規劃上每5年定期進行通盤檢討確保部落用地需求得到滿足四、請內政部匯商相關主管機關就似乎能夠彈性調整符合現況擬具妥適處置方案及持續更新相關國土就投資相關事項研擬具體方案妥適處置五、內政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
19283.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
19307.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
應審慎處理各直轄市縣市之國土功能區土草案若實全國一致之化設標準六、內政部應督導各直轄市縣市政府與區域計劃法停止施用前完整盤點全國非都市土地使用邊境與實際土地利用情形不符之狀況並妥適處理之宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
19312.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
19330.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
請問院會有無異議沒有異議我們決定照案通過各位我們現在繼續處理院會所作之附帶決議以先後順序處理我們先處理民進黨黨團所提之附帶決議第一項請議事人員宣讀附帶決議之內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
19331.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
19353.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
民進黨互代決議一一為使全國國土計畫可如期如質完成以配合國家重大公共政策整體規劃請內政部加強溝通各縣市政府儘早提送並請農業部對於農業發展保護農民提出精進政策避免財團惡意炒作農地買賣傷害農民權益 宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
19355.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
19367.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
前院會沒有異議我們決定照案通過本院會我們現在繼續處理高金素美委員等所提附帶決議共三項請議事人員宣讀第一項附帶決議之內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
19370.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
19398.539 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
委員高金素美等附帶決議一請內政部於三個月內針對零星住戶的住宅使用權利比照農事原住民申請興建自用住宅一生一次規定山地鄉區為單位的辦理鄉村規劃等事項研議具體可行之改善措施送內政委員會宣讀完畢委員會有無異議沒有異議我們就決定照案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
19400.474 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
19425.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
請議事員宣讀第二項附帶決議之內容附帶決議二為競速改善並維護原住民土地權益請內政部依原定其成會同原民會於114年5月1日公告施行原住民族土地使用規則宣讀完畢委員會有異議?沒有異議我們照案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
19427.659 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
19451.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
我們現在請議事院宣讀第三項附帶決議之內容附帶決議三請內政部與原住民族地區未來鄉村地區整體規劃上每五年定期進行通盤檢討根據部落族人的實際需求做動態調整規劃並確保部落用地需求得到滿足宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
19452.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
19459.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
請問院會有無異議?沒有異議,我們決定照案通過我們繼續處理民進黨黨團所提附帶決議第二項請議事人員宣讀決議內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
19467.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
19486.335 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
民進黨黨團附帶決議二請內政部應研議區域計劃法相關申請案件停止受理實現予以國土計劃法銜接轉軌以利國土永續利用宣讀完畢決議會有無異議沒有異議我們決定照案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
19488.237 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
19497.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
各位議員我們現在進行完成立法程序之後黨團共識的推派發言首先我們請高金素美委員發言張祺凱委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
19509.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
19532.407 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
大家好原住民族在台灣居住了數千年卻因為區域計劃法還有建築法等等的法律的制定沒有遵循族人的意見忽視部落的需求導致90%的部落建築物被認定為違建包括我們的鄉公所、代表會以及人民的住宅為了補救缺失國民計劃法在105年公佈的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
19535.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
19559.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
我就要求只要是涉及原住民族土地和海域管制的必須要由內政部會同原民會來制定原住民族土地使用規則目前呢這相關的規範已經成熟了為原住民的土地管理提供了方向在今年的8月21號我們召開了研討會提出了原鄉部落住宅合法化的初步方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
19560.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
19583.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
希望內政部能夠盡快地來施行為了保障原住民的權益本席有提出三項附帶決議要求我們的政府要儘速地來檢討改善原住民的土地政策不管國土計劃法是不是延期原住民族土地的處理都應該要優先推動這才能夠展現政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
19583.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
19599.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
對原住民族基本權益的重視以及承諾那今天的表決呢因為我們的政府沒有好好的跟地方政府來討論以至於有非常多的限制還有非常多的疑慮那今天的投票呢我投給的是民眾黨團因為民眾黨團呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
19602.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
19618.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
只延期了6年其實加在前面的4年其實延期2年所以我們希望國土計劃法能夠盡快的施行來達到原住民在建築方面的違法以及不公不義的土地的政策讓我們的族人能夠在 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
19619.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
19632.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
盡快來改善原住民族違憲的問題不然的話這會導致我們的政府對原住民的法律上的缺失以上非常謝謝今天的同仁也祝大家新年快樂謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
19653.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
19679.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
大家新年快樂很高興今天草野有了共識我們對國土計劃法的上路踩了緊急的煞車我們送給全民特別是農民一個大紅包我們要跟我們近來最早的農民朋友報告因為大家的努力大家的農民朋友因為我們合法過一年不用再煩惱 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
19682.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
19711.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
國土計劃法簽聲公共馬上就上路已經踩煞車了我們也要提醒民眾黨的立法委員我看到很多民眾黨的立法委員已經在拍照了可是請你們提醒一下行政部門行政院特別是內政部長劉世芳到現在還在加油門不是踩煞車還說國土計劃法是要如期上路的 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
19712.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
19733.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
我們請行政院不要再提附議案不要再把今天立法院三讀通過的修正案送到大法官會議去解釋更重要的內政部長劉世芳你在這次的修法過程裡面溝通的過程裡面變成了一部是沒有第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
19735.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
19753.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
你說要如期上路今天跳票了政務官的引落跳票了你另外有四個沒有你沒有做好事先的準備沒有充分的溝通沒有好好消除大家的餘力也沒有因地制宜 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
19754.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
19774.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
所以請劉世芳、劉部長要跟民眾要講清楚不要再提復議案不要再從大法官會議解釋了更重要的你要對你的政策負起責任你如果接下來不能夠傾聽地方政府的聲音不能夠傾聽這個民眾的聲音就請你下台對民眾負責謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
19778.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
19784.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
謝謝張祺凱委員的發言接下來請何新淳委員及發言徐欣穎委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
19789.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
19810.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
謝謝院長國土計畫法展言那配套完整在上路農民的保障更周全國土的保育更有利那今年7月因為颱風來襲我有去勘災在勘災的過程當中有一個農民阿伯就很驚慌的問我阿孫阿孫聽說有一個什麼叫做國土計畫法人家在告訴我上路後我的農地會被拋掉我的農地會沒有基礎我的農地會怎樣怎樣不行怎樣怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
19820.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
19840.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
國土計畫法在目前普遍農民心中是非常有疑慮而且非常不清楚相關的法令規定以及相關的配套如果在這樣錯誤訊息滿天飛讓農民心慌慌心驚驚的情況之下貿然上路我想再有 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
19840.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
19869.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
良善的政策也將很難推動那尤其在今年9月初我跟其他的委員也召開了記者會我們也希望呼籲在能夠詳細溝通能夠溝通得更清楚更有完善的配套措施之後再來施行國土計劃法也因為國土計劃法是國家整體土地規劃的根本大法它屬於國家政策也涉及到國土秩序、糧食安全跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
19870.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
19894.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
我們的土地保育還有農民的財產的保障等等那在政策的規劃跟執行複雜度非常的高所以如果要在優先保護農民的權益以及兼顧國土保育合理的利用我們的國土的話那必須要周全的配套而且呢一定要跟農民全面仔細的充分的溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
19895.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
19913.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
所以這一次我們立法院深讀通過《國土計畫法》的修正案來延後6年施行目的就是為了要讓政府更有時間提出更完整的配套方案更充裕的時間來溝通、來對話以保障農民的權益以及國土保育以上謝謝何欣淳委員的發言接下來請徐欣盈委員請發言鍾嘉斌委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
19933.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
19957.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
院長、各位同仁大家好本會期本席擔任內政委員會的召委針對《國土計劃法》部分條文修正草案舉辦了公聽會、完成了初步審查、委員會審查以及召開黨團協商今天非常開心看到三讀通過由此可知只要平和的議事程序我們都會給大家充分的發言、充分的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
19959.159 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
19977.634 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
國土計劃法多次會議下來我們發現國人以及農民對於國土計劃法仍有諸多的疑慮因為政府宣傳不夠、溝通不足相關的執法配套尚未完成國土分區圖爭議仍待解決所以我們看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
19978.314 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
19992.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
整個國土計劃法在中央政府以及各縣市政府還有民眾都需要更多的時間所以我們今天三讀通過希望可以延長6年國土計劃法作為我們國土空間規劃的基本法 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
19996.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
20015.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
承擔了整個國土永續的重責大任台灣已經落後太多太多年了所以本席在此要請執政當局利用延長的6年時間趕快來補破網在此本席也要特別強調農地限制使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
20015.911 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
20033.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
不論理由如何高大上都是實際上對於農地所有人的特別犧牲城市的人特別犧牲可以特別補償所以不能把農地所有人的特別犧牲視為理所當然主管機關和學者不能只在冷氣房內做決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
20034.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
20057.409 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
未來對於農民以及農地的特別保障才是搭配國土計畫最好的策略仍然有待主管機關的加倍努力國土計畫法不只要有還要是一個良法要有配套要有公平希望今天的推遲未來有一天能夠提前達成甚至更滿足社會的需求謝謝許新穎委員的發言接下來請鍾嘉斌委員發言楊瓊瓊委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
20076.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
20091.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
主席在場的委員先進國土激發法的修正草案終於三讀通過似乎很多人不分朝野都鬆了一口氣但是過去這幾十年來參與相關計畫推動的人員可能心中百味雜陳 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
20092.725 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
20111.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
大家有沒有想過為什麼在之前馬政府的最後一年通過的國土激發法經歷了9年今天會變成大家都覺得應該暫緩上路呢其實剛剛有人說是中央政府溝通不利 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
20112.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
20134.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
也有人說地方政府不乏不依也有人說還好沒有給農民農地判了死刑甚至有多少委員說這是送農民一個大紅包是這樣子的嗎其實從這些話語當中我們認為一個徒有良法美意的法案到後來成為這樣的結果我們真的要去認真的思考剛剛蔡議員說得很好她說農民 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
20137.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
20164.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
農地如果英文沒有變形農地就破死性農民就沒有變形為什麼我們的農地做優質農地使用會變成讓農民的生計不能翻身呢歸根結底農業生產農業生產沒有讓人賺錢這是根本的原因這個農業部責無旁貸但是除此之外除此之外難道農業一定能夠保證賺他的錢嗎這也不一定有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
20167.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
20186.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
所以說,我們這裡為什麼說要有保障?我們在土地計劃裡面,特別的資金有特別的保障我們農地因為國家整理的發展所承受的農地的限制使用是不是要補償?有人提出發展權移轉的概念,也有人提出很多其他的看法但是這些的主張、核心的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
20187.589 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
20208.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
就要平衡國家的國土的均衡發展以及包括農地農民的生計的保障要兼顧所以民進黨通過了兩項負債決議希望未來行政部門跟民間、學界共同交易謝謝鍾嘉斌委員發言接下來請楊瓊瓊發言、劉建國委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
20217.395 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
20240.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
謝謝院會主席、我們敬愛的韓院長、各位同仁、新聞界的朋友感謝、感恩再感謝這一段時間大家提出寶貴的意見終於國土法展延正式的三讀通過朝野都有共識而這個現象的背後的原因本席仍舊要必須要提出中央政府的失能、失職 |
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只想用行政權推不完備的政策在國土法上面可以說是展露無遺中央政府對於國土法討論不足標準不一執法更不完備國土法裡面的農地化設標準更不一為什麼各縣市的落差會這麼大呢法律上若要上路那麼你的檢核標準、你的補償機制、你的開發用途都有討論清楚了嗎 |
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而且國土法最大的問題之一就是對於我們的農業發展有很多很多的限制卻沒有辦法有周全的配套措施而且民眾對於整個政策的不了解導致有更多的權益授權 |
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連民進黨的前農業部長陳吉仲都說只指現在的國土計劃法是無法達到原本的利益還欠缺了什麼呢?農業補償、糧食風險的這些考量所以本席主張在展演的期間中央政府應該要跟地方首長以及基層充分的溝通、再盤點 |
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對於農民應該要增加相關的資源來役助就誠如歐盟共同農業的政策他們會依照土地使用差異的分級有所給付標準更有相關的這個陪談機制讓國土法能夠更加的完善所以因此我要說不要只有出一張嘴要好好的來檢討不要忘了我們的農民我們要共同的提升農業農民的權益 |
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20345.918 |
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謝謝楊瓊瓔委員的發言 接下來請劉建國委員發言 |
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好 謝謝主席各位同仁我想國土計劃法經過剛剛的刪讀有第8條的鄉村整理規劃入法還有展現未來6年的這樣的時間的一個緩衝特別感謝朝野黨團大家可以認可在第8條修正我要特別表達為什麼講第8條鄉村整理規劃 |
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20422.29 |
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國土計畫絕對不是只有中央政府的責任包含在二屆縣市政府的國土計畫也就是說在第二屆的時候縣市政府的整個國土計畫它要精準的、它要很實際的、它要很務實的它要非常了解地方的發展朝向這四大公共分區但如果向雲林縣畫得亂七八糟、全原有的農醫 |
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6萬公頃化成全國之冠是未來屏東的12倍、南投縣的16倍現在它又改為可以達到1萬6千公頃你看這樣的落差值非常之大所以讓鄉村整體規劃入法讓整個國有計劃的實施可以緩衝我想中央政府不管是農業部 |
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不管是內政部在過去的一百多場的說明的過程裡面都有積極的要跟地方政府好好溝通但是緩之如果今天地方政府在整個規劃過程一而再再而三的出現了這樣的嚴重的Trouble然後把整個國土計畫污名化把整個責任推給中央這樣的國土計畫在實施的過程裡面絕對會讓農民的保障受到嚴重的損害 |
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所以今天總算可以讓國土計畫相歸路滑然後也可以讓整個執行延長6年在這種緩衝時間我還是希望中央承擔起這個責任但地方政府也務必詳細的嚴謹的精準的把國土計畫規劃得當才是真正為農民把關為農民造福權利謝謝大家謝謝劉建國委員的發言 |
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20522.851 |
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我們現在所有黨派共識推派代表已經發言完畢我們進入討論事項第10案本院台灣民眾黨團為維護國會尊嚴捍衛國家憲政體制對行政院院長卓榮泰院長提出嚴厲之譴責案請院會決議一案本案 |
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20555.349 |
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今第2會期第13次會議決議我們協商之後再行處理報告委員會依照黨團共識我們現在做以下決議協商之後再行處理報告委員會我們現在進入討論事項第11案本院國民黨團要求吳秉瑞委員造假賠償毀損之公務並於院會公開道歉另外 |
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20555.925 |
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20584.344 |
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建請送交紀律委員會一案本案經第二會期第13次會議決議協商之後再行處理報告委員會依照黨團共識我們現在作以下決議協商之後再行處理報告委員會我們現在進入討論事項第12案行政院組織法第三條條文修正草案 |
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本案今第二會期第13次會議決議交黨團進行協商另外,魯明哲委員、萬美玲委員、楊瓊英委員、葉元之委員、陳秀寶委員、沈發慧等委員、李坤臣等委員、林楚英等委員、王振旭等委員、張雅玲等委員分別提案 |
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20631.866 |
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今第二會期第15次會議我們作出以下決定自委員會抽出進覆二讀與相關提案併案協商報告委員會依黨團共事我們作以下決議協商之後再行處理 |
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20658.648 |
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報告委員會我們進入討論事項第13案本院國民黨團建警院會決議勞動部前部長何佩珊及勞動力發展署北分署前分署長謝怡榮因受嚴厲譴責並移送監察院及檢調單位如情節重大者將撤職查辦永不在任公職以案本案 |
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緊第二會期第13次會議決議協商之後再行處理報告委員會依照黨團共識我們做以下決議協商之後再行處理 |
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20673.285 |
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20673.965 |
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我們進入討論事項第14案本院國民黨團建請院會決議 |
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20705.503 |
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報應會我們進入討論事項第15案本院國民黨團建議院會決議針對郭志輝部長於就任之前涉不當移轉股票相關事宜提出譴責以案本案僅第二會期第13次會議決議協商之後再行處理報應會依照黨團共識我們做以下決議協商之後再行處理 |
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20736.657 |
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20755.329 |
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我們進入討論事項第16案本院國民黨團建請院會成立郭志輝調查委員會調查其是否涉及股權移轉相關弊案本案經第二會期第13次會議決議協商之後再行處理報院會依照黨團共識我們做以下決議協商之後再行處理 |
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20765.178 |
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20776.352 |
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我們進入討論事項第17案本院國民黨團建議院會決議由於民進黨錯誤的再生能源政策一再曝露出不法弊端 |
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20777.475 |
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20799.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
提出嚴厲譴責並因移送監察院及檢調偵辦已案本院今第二會期第13次會議決議協商之後再行處理我們依照黨團共識我們做以下決議協商之後再行處理我們進入討論事項第18案 |
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20802.95 |
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20821.739 |
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本院國民黨團建議院會決議本月針對再生能源相關弊案已案成立調查委員會緊述、釐清真相、查清相關私職人員責任以立預算監督及檢討相關法令、善盡國會監督職責已案本案 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
20825.24 |
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20853.065 |
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今第二會期第13次會議決議我們協商之後再行處理依照黨團共識我們做以下決議協商之後再行處理報告委員會我們進入討論事項第19案本院國民黨團建議院會決議成立國人通訊自由及隱私遭非法監控調查委員會議案本案 |
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20878.837 |
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今第二會期第13次會議決議協商之後再行處理一、黨團共事我們做以下決議協商之後再行處理本院會我們進入討論事項第二十案本院國民黨團建議院會決議對賴政府犧牲全民利益卻不掩飾不法行為提出嚴厲譴責以案 |
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20881.189 |
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本案,今第二會期第13次會議決議,協商之後再行處理。依黨團共事,我們作以下決議,協商之後再行處理。報告委員會,我們進入討論事項第21案, |
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20904.547 |
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行政機關組織基準法第29條、第33條及第39條條文修正草案請宣讀審查報告 |
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20929.382 |
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本院司法及法制委員會於113年11月14日召開決定委員會議併案審查本案由中召集委員嘉賓擔任主席除邀請提案委員及黨團說明提案要職外相關機關應邀職派代表列席說明並答覆委員詢問 |
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20931.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
20953.061 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
約會委員於聽取報告並經詢答後審略到底討論進行逐條審查並將全案審查完略原金決議本案審查完略擬具審查報告提請約會公決需交由黨團先生約會討論時由中召集委員嘉賓出席說明宣讀完畢請召集委員、中嘉賓委員補充說明 |
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20956.412 |
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20979.322 |
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鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員沒有補充說明報案今審查會決議需交由黨團協商另外魯明哲委員等鄭天才委員等萬美玲委員等林倩琦委員等張雅玲委員等張志倫委員等分別提案今屆會期第10次 |
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| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
21006.553 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
第11次會議決定近乎二讀與相關提案併案協商陳秀寶委員等范雲委員等沈發慧委員等林儲英委員等王振旭委員等分別提案第二會期第15次會議決定自委員會抽出近乎二讀與相關提案併案協商 |
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21020.297 |
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現在我們進行廣泛討論一、黨團共識現在進行黨團推派代表發言首先請麥玉珍委員發言 |
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院長、各位親愛的家人、大家午安中央行政機關組織基本法修正草案終於進行討論本次修法的核心是因應國家治理需求及社會發展的趨勢提升中央機關組織的靈活性與行政效能並為未來政策發展與調整一流空間 |
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為了成立因東部張二級機關數量從14個調整成為15個 |
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以專業方式推動國家體育政策隨著全民健康意識的提升運動不僅是個人的健康基礎是我們國家競爭力重要的指標我們要一個有效且專責的機關全面規劃及落實國家運動的政策成為運動員在國際的支柱 |
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讓全世界看見台灣推動體育產業發展的精神同時在三級機關從70個增加到71個主要是因應新住民發展署的設立需求新住民發展署積極於 |
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摘培人才、留住人才建立新住民在台紮根發展的平台真正的融入台灣學以致用互助互好的精神我相信新住民發展署成立後為台灣社會注入更多的活力創造更多幸福的家庭 |
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讓新住民成為台灣與世界接軌的溝通橋樑我們要強調機關數量增加是為了減少各部會行政人力的負擔讓資源分配更精準、服務更有效力這不僅是組織架構的調整 |
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是更是政府治理國家理念的大升級我們有信心本次修法﹐使將中央行政體系根渣靈活、高效能更能讓世界勇於投資台灣創造台灣經濟及就業機會呼應各位委員一起支持台灣民眾黨的修法 |
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我們一起共創讓台灣有更好美好的未來共榮共榮謝謝大家謝謝麥玉珍委員的發言報告委員會現在在議場二樓旁聽來自台北市義仙國民小學的同學們國家未來主人哦歡迎你們新年快樂我們接下來請范雲委員請發言 |
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林思明委員請準備思瑤姊姊選區的小朋友一線國小大家Happy New Year很高興你們在2024年的最後一天來到我們立法院那我想今天很高興我們終於可以處理運動部相關的總共有8個法規那我要講 |
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從奧運到世界十二強的棒球我相信我們的小學生都知道台灣的棒球今年得到世界第一每一個人不分黨派都以聽台灣為榮這真的是過去政府大力支持體育所有的項目支持選手那包含體育署多年努力的成果 |
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但我們都知道海好還是可以更好所以其實在我們的聽台灣棒球還沒有得到世界第一之前今年5月起體育署就啟動了嚴寧辦理四場的論壇希望考慮升級 |
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今年8月行政院也成立了體育及運動發展部的籌備小組及諮詢小組他們請了48位的諮詢委員包含莊志淵、郭信淳、盧彥勳、林玉婷、李楊還有陳潔憲都是諮詢委員他們從8月到10月開了6次的會議最後確定我們的部名要叫運動部 |
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因為體育的事項涉及得志體尋美回到我們教育部繼續處理那整個設計是全新事業、國際接軌從奪牌到全民運動那我們也知道這個法案 |
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行政的版本10月就來到我們立法院11月13號、28號司法法治教文確定了一部一署三中心未來的體育部將會是提倡全民運動增進各年齡健康也會強化選手培訓當然也會推動運動產業、幸福經濟還有要以運動壯大台灣我跟很多委員要求的運動平權、社會包容也都納入在 |
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楊瓊瓔等21人擬具:「公益揭弊者保護法草案：第11屆第12次會議：第12次會議：第13次會議：第14次會議：第15次會議：第16次會議：第17次會議：第18次會議：第18次會議：第19次會議：第19次會議：第20次會議：第20次會議：第21次會議：第22次會議：第23次會議：第24次會議：第24次會議：第27次會議：第28次會議：第29次會議：第30次會議：第31次會議：第32次會 |
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謝謝范雲委員的發言接下來請林思敏委員發言 |
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好 謝謝院長我們也歡迎我們益興國小的各位同學今天特別到我們立法院來 大家好我想我們今天修這個中央行政機關組織基準法我想剛才兩位委員也表達得非常清楚 |
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主要是因應我們教育部體育署升格為運動部那麼未來我們的體育署即將裁撤那麼在運動部下我們要設立一署三中心也就是全民運動署以及國家運動產業發展中心國家運動訓練中心以及國家運動科學中心 |
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有鑒於現行的中央二級及三級行政機關的總數已達到法定的上限對於我們設立中央的二級行政機關也就是運動部以有效來推廣體育並促進運動產業的發展如果沒有在基準法做一個修正的話將會造成障礙 |
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此外在現行的編制上限也未能落實我們新住民基本法第4條設定新住民事務專責的一個中央三級行政機關的必要也就是說我們在新住民基本法它的主管機關內政部的下面 |
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新住民發展署擬具 |
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禁忌運動的相關人才培育以及運動科學的研究與應用我們來規劃來執行相關的業務我們讓台灣的運動產業更加發展讓我們台灣的運動選手獲得更多的保障 |
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所以我們認為說我們的運動部以及我們的全民運動署以及三個中心有立即成立的一個必要性所以我們要儘速的來推動這個法案另外對於我們落實新住民基本法來保障我們新住民的權益我們也認為要積極的要成立我們新住民的發展署所以我們在這一次對於我們中央行政機關組織基準法 |
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第29條及33條提出修正的一個草案讓我們的總數從70增加為71個才能夠真正的落實保障我們新住民的一個權益 |
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謝謝林思明委員的發言報告委員會我們現在進行逐條討論沒有意見的話本案僅宣讀再修正動議其餘條文我們列入公報記錄另外本案條文進行處理之時依序進行表決如果其中有任何一案通過我們就不再處理其他案 |
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我們現在進行第29條本條沒有黨團提出修正及再修正動議請宣讀審查會條文 |
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第29條行政院一下列各款劃分各部主管事務一、以中央行政機關應負責之主要功能為主軸由各部分別擔任綜合性、統合性之政策業務二、基本政策或功能相近之業務應集中由統一部擔任相對利或制衡之業務應則由不同部擔任 |
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3、各部支政策功能及權限應盡量維持平衡部支總數以15個為限宣言完畢我們現在進行黨團推派代表發言首先請林怡瑾委員發言麥玉珍委員請準備 |
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謝謝主席各位同仁世界棒球十二強台灣拿下期盼已久的世界冠軍今年的東京奧運、巴黎奧運台灣選手也在多個項目寫下台灣體堂的歷史佳績能有如此傲人的成績靠的不只是運動員們所有的後勤團隊包括運科人員 |
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營養師、防護員、治療師、諮商心理師等等還有進場支持、收看、轉播大聲為選手們高聲疾呼應援的朋友們都是台灣英雄為了強化台灣的運動環境使台灣的運動成就被世界看見設置運動部是絕對有其必要性這也是我長期所倡議的在上一屆立委選舉的時候我就把成立運動部 |
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納入競選政見今年也欣然看見賴總統的八大體育政見之一很高興運動部的成立已經進入最後的階段運動部成立之後除了培育運動人才之外我們更要發展全民運動 |
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形塑整體運動文化、壯大整體產業因為運動部升職之後我們將要承擔發展運動產業的重責大任以職業運動員為例相較於其他的行業運動員職涯其實相當短暫的很可能落在20到30多歲的寶貴歲月因此運動員跟僱主談判爭取權益所付出的成本相當的高如果沒有健全工會 |
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以及主管機關的協力實在難以兼顧自身的權益所以在聯席委員會討論條文的過程中我相當關注這一項重點就是因應運動產業的特殊性相關的勞動條件該如何保障的問題針對此項我也提出修正動議把保障運動產業勞動條件促進勞資和諧納入運動部長禮的事項之一最終 |
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楊瓊瓔等21人報告併案審查委員 |
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邁鈺貞委員不發言請問院會本條照審查會條文通過有無異議沒有異議我們第29條照審查會條文通過我們現在進行第33條請宣讀 |
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人民黨黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團共同提案在修正動議第33條二級機關為處理技術性或專門性業務需要得涉附屬之機關屬局之組織規模建制標準如下一、業務單位以四組至六組為原則二、各組以三顆至六顆為原則 |
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相當二級機關之獨立機關為處理第一項業務需要得涉附屬之機關其組織規模戒指標準準用前項規定第一項及第三項屬局之總數除地方分支機關外以71個為限宣讀完畢我們現在進行黨團推派代表發言首先請劉許廷委員請發言 |
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謝謝主席啊各位同仁在大家歡欣鼓舞期待這個運動部成立的同時這我們要提醒大家在今年的7月16號第一會期的最後一天的深夜我們單獨通過了新住民基本法 |
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在身份認定、主管機關、政策目標、家庭輔導照顧、人力培訓、醫療保障、婚姻育兒諮詢、語言教學、學術研究、就業媒合、弱勢輔助、通益服務、媒體禁用、公共參與等等面向原則性地保障新住民朋友的權益 |
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我們在當初非常誠懇地呼籲政府盡速研擬相關的政策配套以及盡速修正相關的法律以完善新住民各項的權益保護措施對100萬新住民及其子女送上真正溫暖的關懷與接納 |
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今天我們討論修正中央行政機關組織基準法第33條就是為新住民基本法拼上最後一塊拼圖新住民基本法第4條明定內政部應設置新住民事務專責中央三級機關統籌規劃、研究諮詢協調推動促進新住民就學就業、培力、關懷協助等多元服務 |
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今天我們修正了第33條增加中央機關署局的總數為71個就是為了給予我們的中央政府配合新住民基本法成立中央三級專責機關的正當合法性的基礎這就是為了落實新住民基本法的精神我們在此誠懇呼籲 |
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全草野不分黨派一致的來支持我們也要求內政部應該在今天法案的三讀通過之後積極的來配合辦理中華民國正在面對少子女化我們的產業正在面對缺工等等結構性的大型問題我們也藉此機會呼籲我們的中央政府應該更加大膽 |
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以友善、開放的移民政策來面對未來的挑戰這是大勢所趨我們國會會盡量修正相關的法令我們也期待新住民基本法在今天中央行政機關組織基準法的修正通過之後能夠盡快地來落實盡快地來保障我們新住民所有朋友的相關權益以上 謝謝 |
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謝謝牛許廷委員的發言接下來請麥玉珍委員不發言再接下來我們請吳佩奕委員請發言 |
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好謝謝主席今天呢我們非常的欣慰終於我們在院會可以迎來討論我們台灣即將要成立運動部所啟動的相關的修法為什麼說欣慰呢因為其實按照議程離當我們在前面幾週就有機會可以開始進行討論 |
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但是很遺憾,在野黨始終多次的把政治法案凌駕優先於扶國立民的法案在今天的修法當中,因為我們非常長期關注運動部的成立除了運動部本身的組織法需要修法,還包括了全民運動署所以這就對應到了我們現在所在討論的第33條 |
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那全民運動署為什麼需要成立呢過去我們看到在基層的運動當中我今天進議場前也到了萬華的西門國小看他們的足球隊的練習那這些小朋友過去他們的訓練的球長期的老舊 |
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那學校所配慾的專任教練也只有一位其他都是要由學校的家長大家一起來支持所以我們看到基層的運動就是我們在講的全民運動的範疇除了競技體育我們需要有更多的台灣之光以外我們希望全民運動跟競技兩者雙軌可以來並行 |
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能夠在競技體育體制當中往上走的孩子我們要給他們最好的後勤支持那其他我們也希望把台灣整體的運動風氣孩子只要有興趣及熱情我們在學校我們在社區都要有足夠的資源來讓他們能夠盡情的揮灑所以運動部的成立裡面的全民運動署也就是重中之重 |
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過去8年以來民進黨執政我們非常的重視運動因為我們知道我們不能只有4年一次的奧運4年一次的大賽才為我們台灣之光國手們加油平常的每一課的訓練每一課的支援這才是真正對選手來說最重要的後勤過去的國訓中心宿舍很老舊 |
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難以想像這是給我們台灣國手的待遇因此我們在2017年啟動了選手宿舍的升級過去的選手參加奧運要自己帶泡麵從2024年的巴黎奧運我們是把廚師跟台灣的美食帶到了法國讓選手能夠享受家鄉味也能夠兼顧營養的專業今年的棒球十二強表現傑出的禽獸團隊也受到了體育組的補助 |
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協助台灣選手拿下史上最佳的成績所以我剛剛所說的場地訓練後勤運科產業這是我們在成立運動部之後每一個面向都要加強努力但是我很擔心的是才化法修法通過中央被拿走3700多億的預算未來我們希望體育部成立運動部的成立預算中央的預算不能夠縮水才能夠去完成我們體育部升級的規劃希望 |
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謝謝吳佩奕委員的發言我們請問院會本條照國民黨團及台灣民眾黨黨團共同提出之再修正動議條文通過請問院會有無異議沒有異議我們第33條照國民黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團再修正動議條文通過本院會現在我們進行第39條請宣讀 |
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國民黨黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團共同提案在修正動議第39條不予修正宣讀完畢我們現在請黨團推派代表發言首先請麥玉珍委員發言不發言接下來我們請張雅玲委員請發言 |
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運動不僅是健康生活的基石更是培養領導力與毅力的重要途徑正如哈佛商業研究院指出許多成功的CEO和頂尖的運動員都有一個共通點就是堅持紀律和團隊合作我們也從今年的巴黎奧運的優秀運動員林玉婷還有十二強的運動球員看到了這些特質這些不僅適用於運動場上 |
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更是人生道路的重要資產然而台灣長久以來認為不會讀書的孩子才去練體育、運動員都是四肢發達、頭腦簡單等這樣子的迷思是運動員長久以來背負的標籤洗刷迷思正是運動部成立之後刻不容緩的任務之一 |
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首先是體育班正常化讓青少年運動員在兼顧學業的狀況之下進行科學化的訓練確保他的運動牙的生涯不會提早夭折並且強化教練和專項運動員的督導與管理確保我們相關的性平事件、霸凌事件不會再產生 |
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再來是社區是全民運動發展的基石透過推廣社團與俱樂部的模式從基層扎根由下而上讓青少年、成人甚至引髮族都能夠參與其中當社區運動發展蓬勃時不僅能夠提升國人的健康與凝聚力還能夠帶動裁判、培訓、運動產業以及相關專業人才的發展形成完善的運動生涯生態系統 |
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不管是巴黎奧運或是十二強的佳績不分朝野的政治人物都非常的喜悅頻頻在社群上面發文但現在我們卻因為過去國民黨和民眾黨的委員堅持要在三級機關數增加而導致前陣子我們的中央行政機關基準法一直遲遲無法刪讀那也同時在我們一直不停的想要把它排入議程的時候國民黨跟民眾黨的委員都用政治的法案 |
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拖延了這個法案通過的速度也拖延了我們運動部可以成立的時間增加署不是法律文字寫寫就好政府是受機關總原額法的要求確保政府不會無限制擴張如果貿然增加之後原額沒有增加每個公務員的工作無限加量那可能又會落入無限循環的高壓地獄 |
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為了台灣的運動發展好我呼籲朝野各黨的委員能夠自治讓未來我們在做任何的立法的時候讓行政院維持自主性依據需求來調整機關數讓中央行政機關的組織法能夠順利三讀加速我們的運動部的成立我想今天是今年的最後一天明天就是新年了 |
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讓運動部成立會是所有台灣人民最想要的一份新年禮物我們也非常期待未來可以讓每一個想要運動的孩子可以在這樣子的基石之下好好的運動、好好的長大謝謝謝謝張雅琳委員的發言請問院會本條照國民黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團共同所提在修正動議維持現行條文通過有無異議 |
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沒有異議,我們第39條,照國民黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議維持現行條文,不予修正本院會全案現在經過二讀,現有國民黨團、民進黨黨團提議繼續進行三讀,請問院會有異議?沒有異議,請宣讀經過二讀這條文 |
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第29條行政院依下列各款劃分各部主管事務一、以中央行政機關應負責之主要功能為主軸由各部分別擔任綜合性、統合性之政策業務二、基本政策或功能相近之業務應集中由統一部擔任相對力或制衡之業務則應由不同部擔任 |
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三、各部之政策功能及權限應盡量維持平衡部之總數以15個為限第三十三條外籍機關為處理技術性或專門性業務需要得涉附屬之機關屬局屬局之組織規模簽職標準如下一、業務單位以四組至六組為原則 |
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二、各組以三科制六科為原則相當二級機關之獨立機關為處理第一項業務需要得涉附屬之機關及組織規模限制標準准用前項規定第一項及第三項屬局制總數除地方分支機關外以71個為限宣讀完畢 |
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報告院會現在三讀條文已經宣讀完畢請問院會有文字修正沒有文字修正我們現在決議中央行政機關組織基準法第29條及第33條條文修正通過我們現在處理院會所作台灣民眾黨黨團附帶決議一案 |
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請議事人員宣讀附帶決議之內容台灣民眾黨黨團附帶決議行政院於中央行政機關組織基準法第33條條文三讀通過後應盡速公告施行新住民基本法並於內政部內成立新住民事務專責中央三級行政機關以利新住民事務有效推動宣讀完畢 |
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請問院會有異議有異議我們就進行表決我們現在進行表決贊成台灣民眾黨黨團附帶決議請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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請針對民進黨黨團的反對請各位委員直接按表決卡民進黨黨團反對台灣民眾黨的提議請進行表決時間一分鐘我們重新計算現在開始 |
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各位委員您的表決席都是可以用的請直接表達您的支持與反對的立場 |
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我們出席17位贊成1位反對13位棄權3位我們出席委員不足法定人數所以本項附帶決議我們另外則其處理我們現在本案完成立法程序後之委員登記發言首先請郭鈺晴委員發言陳培宇委員請準備 |
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主席各位同仁所有關心我們台灣體育運動發展的國人同胞大家好今天可以在這邊可以討論就是我們運動部的一個成立非常的欣慰也非常的驕傲我想2024年是台灣穿金戴銀尤其是在國際的體育賽事當中穿金戴銀的一個黃金年代 |
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這代表了我們國家對於運動發展的一個高度的重視也象徵著我們希望能夠透過朝野攜手合作來成為全民健康跟國家榮耀開創新局 |
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那麼在審議運動部設置的一個法案的過程當中我們不僅考慮到體育作為基本人權的一個重要性我想這個運動不只是比賽場中的拼搏那更是台灣國家實力的展現跟經濟發展的一個動能以及提升國民生活品質最重要的一個基礎 |
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運動部的成立具有以下幾個立法層面的一個重大的意義包含組織專責化還有資源更加的有效率那麼透過我們的運動相關業務的分佈在我們的教育部以及其他的單位如今我們可以發展整合 |
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共同的一些效應那麼我相信呢從全民的運動一直到競技的一個發展能夠更有系統的能夠整合資源規劃政策同時也提升執行效率跟我們的一些效果 |
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第二是法制化的一個保障確保選手跟國民的一個權益第三我們也期待對未來發展的一個承諾運動能夠成為台灣經濟注入活水並且在國際間展現台灣的軟實力最後我們希望體育教育的正常化透過運動部的一個成立翻轉現有體育班教育不足讓這些孩子不再只是為了承載大人奪牌的期待 |
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謝謝郭育晴委員的發言接下來請陳培宇委員發言陳秀寶委員請準備 |
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好 謝謝主席各位在場的同仁大家午安在成立運動部的路上我們總算跨出了第一步在這邊我要先跟同仁還有國人們分享從明天元旦到3月2號由中華職棒聯盟還有國立台灣博物館將舉辦冠軍之路特展裡面會展示出冠軍金杯、獎牌還有相關的文物跟國人分享這一路走來的點點滴滴 |
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世界棒球十二強賽台灣隊奪冠軍這期間有非常多的故事、非常多的討論需要被保存、需要被記憶、需要被持續討論所以當我們辦公室知道中職還有文化部特別集合青菜彎相關的物品 |
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藉由展覽讓台灣隊的回憶展示給大家我認為這是一個非常棒的事情為什麼要分享這個消息呢這一次在運動部修法的討論過程當中還有行政院的諮詢小組還有立法院的審查 |
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大家都一個共識未來的運動部必須要跟現在的體育署有所區隔我們要轉向建立屬於台灣全民的運動文化所以在相關的審查中我們辦公室不斷的提醒相關運動文化資源的累積博物館或是相關的論述都必須要趕快展開 |
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因此從這一次12場的相關展覽我希望大家可以開始看見台灣從過往到未來將會有非常多運動選手還有學生他們的故事、他們的記憶需要被討論、被看見、被持續的說著 |
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那相關的事情也因為過往我們沒有相關政策而有很多重要的歷史文物持續流失當中我希望在未來的運動部成立之後我們相關的運動政策轉向可以持續重視運動文化的累積讓這些文化的累積成為建構台灣獨特運動文化非常重要的一部分以上謝謝祝大家新年快樂 |
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謝謝陳培宇委員的發言接下來請陳秀寶委員請發言麥玉珍委員請準備 |
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運動力就是國力隨著我國運動發展普及對於相關競技運動的培養、選訓、支持以及重視是日趨的增加運動相關產業的發展也趨於蓬勃對於運動養成、運動普及、運動場館以及個人運動表現等等都已經成為我國國民生活中不可或缺的一部分 |
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東京奧運以及巴黎奧運的亮眼成績世界棒球十二強奪冠帶給國人的感動與驕傲所有披上國家對戰跑的運動員的堅忍與毅力是激勵國人與政府將我國運動體育更上層樓的動力 |
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隨著國際間運動賽事以及相關運動產業的蓬勃發展運動不僅是在國內已經成為風潮也應該相對接國際讓我國優秀的運動員、運動產品甚至是專屬台灣永不放棄的運動精神都走進世界讓世界看見台灣運動部的成立對外是讓我國的運動力在國際間被看見、被展現讓 |
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運動外交成為我國走進世界的新管道對內是希望整合所有的資源能夠將運動科學融入運動員的訓練以更科學的方式讓運動員更有效率的訓練對於一般不是運動員一般的民眾更希望將競技運動可以全民化讓參與運動成為個人實現的一環因此 |
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本次中央行政機關組織基準法的修正是契配和增設運動部將行政院轄下的總數由14個調整為15個部秀寶也呼籲立法院應該要不分朝野我們盡速完成運動部與相關法案的立法運動部的成立更能促進全民運動、發展體育之教育、競技、產業外交 |
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陳秀寶議員 |
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委員長好 各位親愛的家人 大家午安有建議新住民基本法已經在113年7月16日三讀通過也在同年8月12日公佈第四條文明定內政部應設新住民專職中央三級機關統籌規劃研究 |
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諮詢協調推動、促進新住民就業、就學、培力、關懷、協助、多元服務相關事宜在今天的行政院中央行政機關組織基準法第33條條文修正草案三讀通過後 |
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公布實施新住民基本法的法案通過在中央三級機構要順利執行服務新住民但是我們民進黨就是不想執行嘴巴雙照顧新住民心裡不想讓新住民有專屬機構但是今天我們中央行政機關組織基本法 |
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在23、39條修正法案通過、三讀通過是我們國、我國行政體系進一步優化重要的里程碑這是修法二級機關從14條到15 |
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以前民進黨說不行不行但是呢他們要修就眨個眼睛就可以修了所以新增運動部都是大家要想要的多一個部所以在這裡我們要增加一個三級機構就是從其實也說滿了沒有了但是到今天大家也同樣同意 |
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謝謝麥玉珍委員發言報告委員會范雲委員發表聲明今天表決與民進黨黨團意見一致列入公報記錄報告委員會我們進入討論事項第23案 |
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運動部全民運動署組織法草案請宣讀審查報告更正更正我們進入討論事項第22案運動部組織法草案請宣讀審查報告 |
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本院司法及法制教育及文化委員會於113年11月13日及11月28日分別召開聯席會議併案審查本案由中召集委員嘉賓擔任主席除邀請提案委員及黨團說明提案要指揮相關機關應邀指派代表列席說明並答覆委員詢問 |
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與會委員余丁許報告並尋答完畢後審略大體討論進行卓調審查並將全案審查完畢令通過附帶決議十二項原經決議本案審查完畢擬具審查報告提請院會公決須將由黨團協商院會討論時由中召集委員嘉賓出席說明宣讀完畢請中嘉賓、召集委員補充說明 |
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鍾嘉斌召集委員鍾嘉斌召集委員沒有補充說明本案經審查會決議需交由黨團協商另外柯智恩委員等徐巧欣委員等陳金威委員等分別提案今第二會期第12次會議決定近乎二讀與相關提案併案協商武麗華委員等 |
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提案 經第二會期第15次會議決定自委會抽出與相關提案近乎二讀與相關提案併案協商報院會依黨團共事本案作以下決議協商後再行處理報院會我們進入討論事項第23案運動部全民運動署組織法草案請宣讀審查報告 |
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本院司法及法制政委及文化委員會於113年11月13日及11月28日分別召開聯席會議併案審查本案由中召集委員嘉賓擔任主席除邀請提案委員說明提案要指揮相關機關應邀指派代表列席說明並答覆委員詢問 |
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與會委員於聽取報告並取答完畢後審略大體討論進行座談審查並將全案審查完畢令通過附帶決議一項原金決議本案審查完畢擬具審查報告提醒院會公決須交由黨團協商院會討論時由中召集委員嘉賓出席說明宣讀完畢我們請召集委員、中嘉賓委員補充說明 |
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鍾嘉斌召集委員鍾嘉斌召集委員不在場無補充說明本案經審查會決議需交由黨團協商另外徐巧興委員等台灣民眾黨黨團分別提案經第2會期第12次會議決定 |
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晉赴二讀與相關提案併案協商林倩琦委員等、楊瓊瓔委員等分別提案第二會期第15次會議決定自委員會抽出與晉赴二讀與相關提案併案協商報院會依照黨團共識本案做以下決議協商後再行處理 |
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歡迎我們進入討論事項第24案國家運動產業發展中心設置條例草案請宣讀審查報告 |
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本院司法及法制教育及文化委員會於113年11月13日及11月28日分別召開聯席會議併案審查本案由中召集委員加併擔任主席除邀請提案委員說明提案要職外相關機關應邀職派代表練習說明並答覆委員詢問 |
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與會員於聽取報告並巡達完畢後審略大體討論進行逐條審查並將全案審查完畢令通過附帶決議二項原經決議本案審查完畢擬具審查報告提醒院會公決需將由黨團寫生院會討論時由中召集委員嘉賓出席說明宣讀完畢請中嘉賓召集委員補充說明中嘉賓委員中嘉賓委員 |
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無補充說明本案經審查會決議需交由黨團協商另外葉元之委員等、徐巧欣委員等分別提案經第2會期第12次會議決定近乎二讀與相關提案併案協商張雅玲委員等、楊瓊瓔委員等、洪孟楷委員等分別提案 |
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分經第二會期、第13次會議、第15次會議決定自委員會抽出與淨附二讀與相關提案併案協商報告委員會經過黨團共事本案作以下決議協商之後再行處理報告委員會我們進入討論事項第25案國家運動訓練中心設置條例修正草案請宣讀審查報告 |
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本院司法及法制教育及文化委員會於1月13日及11月28日分別召開聯席會議併案審查本案由中召集委員嘉賓擔任主席除邀請提案委員說明提案要職外相關機關應邀指派代表列席說明並答覆委員詢問 |
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與會員於聽取報告並詢談完畢後審略大體討論進行逐條審查並將全案審查完畢另通過附帶決議二項原清決議本案審查完畢擬具審查報告提醒院會公決須交由黨團協商院會討論時由中召集委員嘉賓出席說明宣讀完畢請召集委員、中嘉賓委員補充說明中嘉賓委員、中嘉賓委員 |
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不到沒在場我們沒有補充說明本案經審查會決議需交由黨團協商另外徐巧欣委員等經第二會期第12次會議決定近乎二讀與相關提案併案協商張雅琳委員等林倩琦委員等洪孟楷委員等分別提案分經第二會期第13次、第15次會議決定 |
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自委員會抽出進覆二讀與相關提案併案協商我們依黨團共事報告委員會本案作以下決議我們協商之後再行處理報告委員會我們現在進入討論事項第26案國家運動科學中心設置條例部分條文修正草案請宣讀審查報告 |
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本院司法及法制教育及文化委員會於11月13日及11月28日分別召開聯席會議併案審查本案由中召集委員嘉賓擔任主席除邀請提案委員說明提案要職外相關機關應邀指派代表練習說明並答會委員詢問與會委員於聽取報告並詢答完畢後審略大體討論進行逐條審查並將全案審查完畢 |
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令通過附帶決議以上原經決議本案審查完略擬具審查報告提醒院會公決須將由黨團協商院會討論時由中召集委員嘉賓出席說明宣讀完畢 |
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請召集委員、中嘉賓委員補充說明中嘉賓委員、中嘉賓委員沒有到場沒有補充說明本案經審查會決議需交由黨團協商另外葉元之委員等、徐巧興委員等分別提案今天會期第12次會議決議近乎二讀與相關提案併案協商 |
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張雅琳委員、林倩琦委員、洪孟楷委員分別提案經第二會期第13次、15次會議決定自委員會抽出進付二讀與相關提案併案協商報院會依照黨團共識本案做以下決議協商之後再行處理 |
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報告委員會我們進入討論事項第27案教育部組織法第二條、第五條及第九條條文修正草案請宣讀審查報告 |
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本院司法及法制教育及文化委員會於113年11月13日及11月28日分別召開聯席會議併案審查本案由中召集委員加併擔任主席除邀請提案委員說明提案要指外相關機關應邀指派代表練習說明並答覆委員詢問與會員與聽取報告並詢談完畢後審略大體討論進行逐條審查並將全案審查完略另通過附帶決議一項 |
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原經決議本案審查完略擬具審查報告提醒問會公決需交由黨團協商願會討論時由中召集委員嘉賓出席說明宣讀完畢請召集委員、中嘉賓委員補充說明 |
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鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員沒有到場沒有補充說明我們本案經審查會決議需交由黨團協商另外柯智恩委員等徐巧欣委員等台灣民眾黨黨團分別提案今天會期第12次會議決定近乎二讀與相關提案併案協商楊瓊瓔委員等 |
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今第二會期第15次會議決定自委員會抽出盡附二讀與相關提案併案協商報院會依照黨團共識本案作以下決議我們協商之後再行處理 |
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我們現在進入討論事項第28案《野生動物保育法部分條文修正草案》本案今第一會期第二十二次會議決議協商之後再行處理另外洪孟楷委員等提案今第二會期 |
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第6次會議決定近乎二讀與相關提案併案協商報告委員會依照黨團共識我們先來做以下決議協商之後再行處理報告委員會議程鎖列討論事項均已處理完畢本次會議沒有委員提出臨時提案我們就不進行臨時提案之處理 |
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另外原定於下午的黨團協商取消我們另外則其辦理本次會議進行到此為止祝所有的委員、國人同胞大家新年快樂上會 |