| IVOD_ID |
16433 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16433 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-15-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-30T08:29:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-30T17:20:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
08:50:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3ea4f168390ff16a0109b5fa2f296a9353422ed645e3f9bcfe62695d3bafb209b5c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。二、審查客家委員會函送財團法人客家公共傳播基金會114年度預算書案。三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於中央選舉委員會及所屬單位預算。
【本次會議時間為上午9時至議程處理完竣。】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:29:59 - 17:20:00 |
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二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。三、繼續審查客家委員會及所屬部分。二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。三、繼續審查客家委員會及所屬部分。二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。二、審查客家委員會及所屬 |
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好請主秘報告出席人數報告委員會出席委員12人以主法定人數好現在開會進行報告事項請宣讀第17第18次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議一事錄時間113年12月18日星期三13時48分至18時17分地點紅龍202會議室出席委員蘇巧慧委員等14人列席委員王逸川委員等44人 |
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列席人員、行政院秘書長、公民心機相關人員。未向主席報告並未經主席同意擅自離開會議室、備訓時不在場,直至會議結束未回會議室。主席徐昭吉委員新寧報告事項宣讀本會第15次及第16次全體委員會議一事錄,決定確定 |
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討論事項、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院部分委員張志倫等11人提出質詢。列席人員未向主席報告並未經主席同意三次離開會議室,被詢時不在場,直至會議結束未回會議室。 |
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決議一登基發言委員除不在場者外其餘均已發言完畢。二、委員徐新銘、高金素梅、丁學忠、黃建斌所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報。三、書面質詢部分請相關機關於一周內以書面答覆並複製本會。四、討論事項所列之預算審查。相關預算提案請於113年12月27日星期五中午10時前送至立法院內政委員會通過譴責案等二案。宣讀完畢。 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第18次全體委員會議一事錄。時間113年12月23日星期一9時17分至15時42分。113年12月25日星期三9時7分至11時37分。 |
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地點紅樓202會議室出席委員王美惠委員等14人。內席委員鄭振淺委員等13人。內席官員12月23日內政部部長劉思芳及相關人員。行政院主計總處公務預算處專門委員廖玉琳及相關人員。12月25日內政部部長劉思芳及相關人員。行政院主計總處公務預算處專門委員廖玉琳。主席張昭吉委員洪璐。12月23日報告事項宣讀上次會議議事錄決定暫不確定。 |
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討論事項一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於內政部國土管理署及所屬警政署及所屬消防署及所屬移民署部分。二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管作業基金。三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管特別收入基金。決議一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於內政部國土管理署及所屬警政署及所屬消防署及所屬移民署部分。 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
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第五項消防署及所屬本項通過決議72項請參與。第七項移民署55億4334萬7千元照列本項通過決議23項請參與。二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管作業基金營建建設基金 |
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業務總收入業務總支出本期剩餘結繳公庫金額轉投資計劃固定資產建設改良擴充公庫增播基金額補辦預算儲物列數外其餘均照列通過決議17項請參閱。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管特別收入基金依新住民發展基金基金來源基金用途本期剩餘結繳公庫補辦預算儲物列數外其餘均照列通過決議二項 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午。 |
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二、國土永續發展基金基金來源基金用途本期短促結繳公庫不辦預算除列書外其餘均照列通過決議三項。四、114年度中央政府總預算案關於國土管理署及所屬移民署審查完略拟據審查報告函送財政委員會提報院會。五、114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管作業基金營建建設基金審查完略拟據審查報告函送財政委員會提報院會。 |
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六、114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管特別收入基金新住民發展基金國土永續發展基金審查完略。倪俊審查報告函送財政委員會提報院會。七、本會負責審查之114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位非營業部分 |
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11時30分進行祕密會議。 |
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決議一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於內政部警政署及所屬消防署及所屬稅出部分第三項警政署及所屬三百二十八億九千四百六十七萬三千元照列本項通過決議三項請參院 |
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第五項消防署及所屬57億2146萬9千元照列本項通過決議一項請參與。二、114年度中央政府總預算案關於內政部警政署及所屬消防署及所屬審查完略拟據審查報告函送財政委員會提報院會宣讀完畢。好,請問各位同仁第17、第18次會議議事錄有無錯誤? |
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好那請李博義委員主席很高興看到你今天精神很好準備來開會 |
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今天是客委會的預算詢答其實客委會應該是排在12月19號上個禮拜四的預算詢答但是上個禮拜發生的一些狀況必須要在這邊重複說明一下12月16號 |
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的議事錄裡面沒有民進黨所有的委員12月16號民進黨所有的委員被左邊這個門關住了後面被國民黨其他委員會的委員門擋住了進不來進不來開會不給我們進來開會12月18號 |
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12月19日也都沒有辦法開成會的原因包含還是排列選罷法包含還是排列還是由19號主席說身體不適那由國民黨黃建斌委員直接要坐上主席台但是我們根據 |
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我們的召委的輪值辦法第4條輪值召委不客出席的時候得商請另一名召集委員對到代理當天張宏祿委員張宏祿召委願意代理之後再交由黃建斌委員主持但是也沒有辦法得到同意所以連續兩天的會議包含今天的會議議事錄裡面 |
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行政院秘書長龔明新等人擅自離開會議室其實這個也是不對的當天的狀況是這樣子當天狀況是等到我們從一早來8點多就來等到下午2點的時候 |
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會議的狀況你看這個螢幕現在還是程序發言當天的會議的狀況是會議尚未開始那會議尚未開始韓院長又要召開這個黨團協商所以內政委員會的委員們必須再到韓院長的黨團協商那這個時候我們誰知道會議偷偷開始了禮拜一不給我們進來開會禮拜三會議偷偷開始開會 |
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然後今天要確認這個議事錄所以我們沒有辦法確認這個會議議事錄有兩天沒有辦法確認第一個就是民進黨委員完全沒有辦法簽名開會的一天第二個就是這個民進黨委員參加這個黨團協商之後 |
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會議偷偷開始我們也不得而知會議開始要去譴責行政院秘書長這兩個會議議事錄我們覺得沒有辦法確認所以我們在這邊也必須要來提案針對12月16號的提案我們民進黨團有一個提案等一下一起來提出謝謝好謝謝李博義委員本席先回應首先第一個 |
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2月12日 |
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12月19日召委的代理辦法。這個在我們選召委的時候都定義的非常清楚。我們議事人員也都非常清楚知道這個召委的代理是沒有問題的。民進黨又再次顯示干擾議事不讓會議進行。這個 |
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我們也要在這邊特別說明清楚包括其他委員會包括民進黨的召委如果不能主持會議也是指定代理就可以來主持那我們很遺憾那一次本席確實是因為身體稍有不適所以請黃建斌委員代為主持但是很 |
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12月18日沒有偷偷開會。本期在13點48分當天會議結束前有在議場宣告延長會議,所以我們後來 |
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這個看到欸可以開會了沒有主席台沒被霸佔了但是不在的離開的是民進黨的委員所以這個會議並沒有偷偷這個是公開而且也是有錄影轉播都非常的清楚好接下來好像黃婕委員要發言是吧好請黃婕委員 |
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好主席在座所有的同仁各位媒體朋友大家早安我還是要針對12月16號跟12月18以及12月19這三天的會議來還原一下這個事實因為我們認為這三天都屬無效會議無效會議違法會議為什麼呢 |
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回顧一下12月16早上發生什麼事情。剛剛張偉說是因為民進黨委員杯葛所以我們沒有辦法正常開會。大家別忘了當天早上我們民進黨的委員是連進都進不來。進都進不來。不只我們。官員也進不來。 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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我們連會議室都進不來何來杯葛之說呢?我們連簽到都沒有辦法簽到又何來阻擋之說呢?所以我再次要強調16月16號當天屬於無效的違法會議這也是立法院史上破天荒第一次沒有辦法讓委員進到會議室來連簽到都沒辦法簽到就說這樣的開會算數 |
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請問這是什麼極權國家才會出現的會議狀況自導自演的假開會所以拜託12月16號這種封鎖國會的現象不要在立法院再次上演也希望大家認同我相信所有的民眾在看也都認為說當天的會議怎麼會算數呢甚至我看很多網友都還說他們連開班會都還比我們有秩序 |
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連開學生的會議、開區選會都比我們了解議事規則就因為國民黨的委員 |
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不了解議事規則,把立法院應該是大家的典範的一個會議現場搞到如此這般的田地,其實也蠻丟臉的。所以希望大家必須要知道12月16號這樣的惡例絕對不能讓它發生。萬一這樣子的例子一開,未來是不是我們只要一群人手牽手躲在角落告訴大家我們來開始開會了。 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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讓我們內政委員會變成是八個委員會裡面進度最慢直到現在都還沒有進行客委會的詢答怎麼會進度這麼慢?大家有問說我們交委不是也是客家鄉親出身嗎?不是客家立委的代表嗎?怎麼讓客委會的預算省得這麼慢? |
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就是因為在前面多次的排程裡面召委都只排了選罷法都只排了選罷法代表說國民黨始終把政治的議程放在民生的議程之前始終認為這一些為了保護自己的這種選罷法修二 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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讓大家看到這會期選罷法休二卻都還沒有看到客委會的預算被好好審查這就是現在內政委員會的現況我必須要把這些真實的情況讓所有的全國民眾都知道那除了12月16號12月18號大家也不要忘記當天是什麼情況當天 |
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1時多,距離散會只剩下12分鐘,然後交委帶著一群國民黨的委員進到會議室,吵吵鬧鬧,然後甚至連會議狀態都寫著會議尚未開始,他們又出去了。到了2點,在場的官員跟我們都理應認為 |
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3478.089 |
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午10時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至午11時至 |
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3480.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
3485.234 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
過了兩點,張偉又帶著國民黨的委員偷偷的進到會議室說要開會。這難道不是假開會嗎?為什麼開會需要偷偷摸摸的?在兩點之後會議都已經散會了,才進到會議室來開會。那還怪說,官員怎麼沒有來備詢?因為兩點都散會啦! |
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| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
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三會之後你才叫官員來備詢你難道是在霸凌公務員嗎要求大家要配合你們加班叫你幾點開會來你就來開會不連開會通知上面寫的都不算數難道是這樣嗎所以12月18號我也主張這是一個無效的違法會議所以拜託大家我們在這邊民進黨委員有一個共同的提案希望等一下可以照這樣的 |
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提案來通過讓大家知道說12月16號跟12月18號這樣子的惡例包括封鎖國會包括偷偷開會這種情況都不應該在立法院發生絕對不能讓立法院變成史上最丟臉開下最多惡例的一個民主程序好所以希望等一下就可以大家來認同這樣的議事錄不予確認謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
3558.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
3572.589 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
好謝謝黃捷委員本席也要在這邊回應很多事情凡事都有前因跟後果黃捷委員講的全部是講那個結果他沒有講這個前因什麼是前因 |
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| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
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我們的會議一再的被干擾選罷法只要有召委牌民進黨就是杯葛所以不要忽略這點不要忽略這點這個選罷法上個會期兩次完全沒有開成那這個會期從第一次也就被杯葛沒有辦法開成嘛所以這個意識要往前 |
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3601.683 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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3619.493 |
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3644.502 |
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這個會期本席一定要再次強調前面是因為行政院的預算還沒有附委所以我們開了一些法案各方面的審查那行政院的這個預算附委之後是剛好輪到張宏祿召委輪值所以他先排接著每一周本席都有排預算審查 |
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3673.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
我排預算審查但是我們都被干擾被霸佔主席台沒有辦法順利開會所以我們也是想盡辦法本席也覺得很好奇現在立法院立法委員要開會我們還要想盡各種辦法才能開會因為有太多的阻撓跟干擾再來12月18日行政院業務報告預算報告的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
3704.078 |
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那天我們來到這裡因為前面就是整個會場被霸佔那我們覺得這個確實預算審查各方面尋答我們覺得能開會我們還是要想辦法開會原本定在2點是因為我們覺得順利進行2點以前應該可以結束但是沒想到前面主席台也被霸佔所以我們在一點多回來我們一宣告開始開會 |
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3731.698 |
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在場的民進黨委員就開始吵鬧但是錄音都有錄到本席宣告開會然後宣告會議延長所以議事人員他們都是合乎議事規則我們在進行所有我們都合乎議事規則我們也希望民主的程序少數服從多數多數尊重少數不要因為不合自己的意就 |
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| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
3736.376 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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3753.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
3777.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
好謝謝主席今天我們現在在討論是針對第二會期內政委員會第17次的這個議事錄要不要確定所以第17次也就是狀況比較混亂早上主席台北公站然後後來開到延長開會時間那一場那我們就先從這一場會議的本質來做還原那早上這剛我們黃捷委員講說這個班會都比這個立法院有秩序 |
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3791.394 |
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這我們倒是不能否認但是我們也必須要強調辦會也沒有政黨政治恐怕也沒有朝野惡鬥辦會的小朋友比較純真應該也不會霸占主席台所以他當然比較有秩序對不對那我們回到回到這場會議的本質 |
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| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
3813 |
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早上的時候當然因為霸佔的關係沒有辦法開會其實我們早上的時候我們都非常清楚今天就是來開會的只要民進黨願意讓出主席台任何時間我們都會回來開會這是我們一早就講的那當然嘛這個僵局協調也未果這個霸佔的狀況一直持續那當然一點多因為我們希望無論如何這個會議可以順利的進行嘛 |
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3829.488 |
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1點48分左右,快要離法定快要散會的前12分鐘。我們做好了決定,我們就要來進行延長開會時間。那場面當然是非常混亂,但是召委在台上的後方,拿著內政委員會的麥克風,1點48分 |
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17秒應該1點48分13秒這個進來宣布開會那這個東西其實是有在整個的意識系統裡面被清楚的收音現場很多委員可能不見得有聽到但是大家過去以來處理這種爭議的方式基本上就是看看到底有沒有收進這個意識系統的這個聲音裡面這是大家行之有年的規矩那有收到那收到之後當然這個會議就是合法的開始合法的開始之後就是處理所謂的延長開會時間動議當然 |
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3874.349 |
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我們在講延長開會時間因為那天場面很混亂我們今天就很客觀來談這件事情場上到處都是噪音可是第一個我們在旁邊我們都非常清楚有聽到趙偉有提出了這樣子因為國民黨團有提了這個動議延長開會時間動議趙偉有提了這個動議進行處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
3878.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
3879.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
午10時至午11時至 |
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3896.463 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
3916.095 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
通過之後趙偉才喊了休息這件事情就通通在這個議事系統裡面通通都有非常清楚的錄音那議事人員沒有第一時間做確認的原因我們後面來做確認我也可以在這邊做一個還原當然就是因為會場的狀況非常吵鬧所以他到了隔壁安靜的會議室去重新聽了這樣子的一個聲音之後確定有收到之後所以大概在2點15分左右這個會議就變更變成通過了延長開會動議到法定時間的這個12點 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
3921.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
3944.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
這個事情我想不管是當天的這個議事系統或者是這個議事委員都可以作證那我想包括民進黨委員在內他們自己都可以作證因為大概到了3點多的時候這個我們在外面守議場黃介委員還打開窗戶要我趕快回來開會對不對我當初有大聲的回應我說只要你們讓出主席的話我一定回來開會這件事情我們都說到做到啊因為大概到了4點鐘的時候當然也許你們去參加協商或什麼的 |
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3945.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
3966.815 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
有的時候大家會議撞期的時候本來就可以自己決定要參加哪一場這個是立法院的常態但是如果你們既然離開了你們只要離開主席台我們也不能失信於人所以在4點的時候我們就回來繼續進行這場法定會議的程序今天為了趕快不要耽誤客委會預算的審查我們就先不追究行政院秘書長為什麼可以擅自離席或者是自己離開這個我們後面再說但是我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
3968.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
3980.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
從議事紀錄還有當天狀況的一些還原包含委員彼此之間的一些互動都可以再再的證明17次的會議因素有效所以我們希望這個會議錄可以合法的來進行確認以上謝謝好謝謝那我們是不是就確認議事錄請張宏祿委員 張昭偉 |
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3997.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
4022.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
啊,召委各位委員,其實啊我們也不是像小學生啦那我們啊齁我覺得我們也可以跟小學生學習啦齁我只有一個就是說啊齁在上次的這個會議當中啊我們很多的委員都有來但是沒有辦法簽到在會議這個議事錄裡面上面登記的是沒有來開會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
4034.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
但這一點如果我們在學校這是要被激況課欸但我們確實有要進教室沒有辦法進去欸我覺得不管醫事工房或怎麼樣我覺得這一點 |
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4036.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
4043.691 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
我們還是必須要處理啊你可能在議事錄上或什麼應該要寫明一下這個這個至少要留下記錄不能說我們的民進黨所有委員那天就是沒有來這邊開會我覺得這一點我們必須要把它處理啦所以這一點我想啊齁這個可能趙偉啊你要確定議事錄之前啊這一點我覺得我們應該把它處理一下 |
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| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
4070.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
4080.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
4103.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
因為張昭偉因為我也都一直有排預算案結果一直不讓我開會不讓我審查我們也是吞下去啊然後還不斷的一直在媒體還包括剛剛黃姐委員都說我不排預算其實我都排排了我都幾次不能審啊我一次又一次不能審查昭偉昭偉 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
4128.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
我覺得啦我覺得啦吼這一個我剛已經說了吼各有立場吼好不好但我覺得這一個大家有來吼我們就像去學校啊我有來上課你被寄的礦課那個這個你的抄信你的什麼成績就就不對了啊啊但是事實是有來啊沒有辦法進來這個也是事實 |
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| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
4143.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
我們要在那個議事錄裡面是不是也要把他這個寫一下看怎麼委員或是要怎麼寫至少要留下一個紀錄才不會對有來開會的委員這點有點不公平我覺得這個是我們內政委員會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
4163.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
應該也要替所有內政的委員這個他的權利我覺得我們應該也要去兼顧我覺得我如果是召委如果遇到這種事情我也會兼顧其他的委員的一個權利不能讓他留下一輩子的紀錄就變這樣 |
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4168.442 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
4189.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
好呃我想不管是當天的轉播或公報都有一些記錄了那立法院各式各樣的政治攻防這個對的不是不是所以我的意思就是說這個立法院的政治攻防本席這個不是本席的權責我接著請高金素梅委員來發言 |
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| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
實際上我本來不太想發言的但是呢我認為就是說在立法院這麼長久以來如果大家記得上個會期我排法案的時候兩次都不讓我們上去主持會議你們還把大門關起來 |
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4211.048 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
4232.791 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
這也是都有的事情啊那剛剛那個張昭偉說你擔心這個議事錄上面沒有你的名字簽到其實呢我們都清楚知道內政委員會就在紅樓的幾樓如果你早上沒有辦法開會的話你5點以前只要去簽到那邊就有您的名字存在了 |
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4233.411 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
4262.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
所以我覺得這個張宏祿委員張召委我們都是比較資深一點的委員你應該都知道嘛有一些如果是早上沒有辦法來開會的話我們還是可以到內政委員會裡面去拿那張單子來簽名表示你已經有報到了第二是當天的情況透過全國的媒體大家都清楚知道議場裡面發生了什麼事情有沒有人在推擠有沒有人在幹嘛我相信媒體都看得一清二楚 |
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4262.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
4264.023 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至 |
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4297.971 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
4314.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
這個大家都知道議事的程序啦,高金委講的也是沒有錯,但那一天我們如果要去補簽到的話,那一天他的會議已經是結束了,他是會議結束了,所以你會議結束我們去,那一天的情況是比較特殊啦,所以我才會這樣講,謝謝。 |
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4318.416 |
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對對那天真的很特殊只要碰到選罷法我們內政委員會都很特殊所以我們現在是不是就來確認議事錄這邊當然我們也可以先確認一下民進黨委員有一個動議那我們是不是請議事人員先宣讀 |
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針對12月16日中國國民黨立法委員為剝奪人民罷免權之公職人員選舉罷免法修正,竟違法阻止其他立法委員列席行政官員及大眾傳播媒體進入會議室,違反公開舉行會議規定,剝奪其他立法委員就審查議案進行大體討論, |
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主條討論等表達意見提出異議或附議之權利違反立法院職權行使法立法院各委員會組織法及立法院議事規則第4章至第7章所定之開會法定程序。會議無效並應予嚴厲譴責復本院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議違反立法院議事規則第27條規定之法定延長會議程序。預議是日程排定時間之會議時為違法無效。然此本次會議議事錄顯有錯誤應不予確定。 |
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提案人張宏祿、李博毅、王美惠、黃潔、蘇巧、惠吳、齊銘。宣讀完畢。好,請問在座的委員有關民進黨委員的這個提案有沒有意見是否要通過?反對。那我們是不是就不予通過呢?表決。提議表決。那我們就採用舉手表決。採用舉手表。 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11 |
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本席丁學中委員反對、徐宇貞委員反對、張志倫委員反對、牛許廷委員反對、黃建斌委員反對、麥義貞委員反對、高金素美委員反對。贊成者請舉手。 |
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張宏祿召委贊成黃潔委員贊成王美惠委員贊成蘇巧惠委員贊成李柏毅委員贊成吳祁銘委員贊成反對者多數此案不通過本席想再次確認我們第17、第18次會議議事錄有無錯誤無錯誤我們就議事錄確定 |
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好接著我們繼續進行討論事項請宣讀一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。二、審查客家委員會函送財團法人客家公共傳播基金會114年度預算書案。三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於中央選舉委員會及所屬單位預算。宣讀完畢。 |
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好,那我們首先來介紹在場的委員以及列席的官員。在場有徐宇貞委員、張志倫委員、劉許廷委員、黃建斌委員、麥玉貞委員、高金四美委員、張宏祿昭委、黃婕委員、王美惠委員、蘇巧惠委員、 |
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好,我們在場列席的官員有客委會的主委谷秀飛主委還有副主委范佐明副主委還有我們各單位的主管本席就不一一介紹那接著還有財團法人客家公共傳播基金會董事長 |
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陳邦枕董事長以及財團法人公共電視文化事業基金會客家電視台台長向聖岩台長。接著還有行政院主計總處公務預算處的專門委員李易柔專委。現在進行報告請客家委員會股主任委員秀飛報告。 |
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主席、各位委員、各位朋友、大家安座、大家好。今天我用心收到邀請來列席各位委員會報告114年度本會及所屬客家事務、施政、計劃和預算。希望主席和各位委員的自告和支持,本會任務將做得順利來推動。第二,希望主席及各位委員來表達您們的建議和請求。 |
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本次會議要落實內政總統的客家六項公共客家、國際客家、飲食客家、餐飲客家、沖繩客家、企業客家政見希望提供、規格、希望工廠的推進 |
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緊急客家基本法及二年發財法的精神和出權主流發言者。四、繼續複製行業、存用客家文化、推動客家企業發展、強化客家強硬公共參議。五、實施批資政府執念提供運用效益。一、一百二十四年度預算書本以及六十年度預算的精神。 |
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緊急檢察事理檢討現有的業務：來省監非必要的非正式效益的工作項目：同時來同盤檢討現下實證計劃執行程序。四、國庫醫生執念有效整合發揮最高的效益。114年醫生的辨知前嫌 |
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緊急時針目標以及預算儲備認證。本會議及所屬114年度稅儲預算中窮變略。市市審議7000均364000元。上告113年度增加市議22278000元。太陽10.7%。 |
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以下就114年度預算編列情形進行兼容報告請國會委員執政。項目部分114年度編列6,734萬包括批從項目50萬 |
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考試報名費350萬、重提實施費用230萬、租金數額1300萬及雜控數額8804萬。稅出部分一百二十四年度稅出預算經濟本費市政目標及行政院協定的總長程計劃。 |
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中央編列73一七千空三十六萬四千元,上告一百一十三年度比告增加十一兩千兩百一十七萬八千元,太陽時的百分之四點七。主要的內容跟增加感受的情況。 |
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4806.548 |
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二、建議總統客家政策行政院規格希望工廠及客家基本法鼓勵客家強硬投入沙非服務工作。一、一二三千七百一十一萬八千元攀離客家出權主流化發展計劃。 |
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正財主流法通指示主流法金幣最高113年度增加6,688萬7千元,它又是增加百分之二十。主要會判理白宮政府贊強勇、空窮勇以及貴既強硬資金富裕。 |
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四、為了增添客家創新發展基礎,促進客家生涯和公共發展,誘發客家生涯及公共環境,迅速採取文化體制。一、審查新年度編列1119,361萬8千元判例。 |
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客家重申及返金揚酬計劃。最高113年度增加617,657.8萬元,同時增加30.2%。主要在推動客家審判交流中心政策,部署提供政府經濟客家機密需求,提升公共設施空間品質及機能。第三,經濟行政院客廳 |
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貴家委員政體發展方案,繼續提升客家使用衣食及六色衣繩法,擴大同行客家使用床位,鼓勵提供政府同民間單位,以客家提供公共服務。114年度編列713,751萬8千元,判例客家委員審測計劃。 |
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上午113年度增加2,595萬4千元,還有是增加3.6%。主要提升行為與同行為以及行為服務普及法相關措施,協助提供政府累積行為服務能量,強化民主共和意識等相關計劃。 |
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4964.245 |
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為了推動賴總統客家6件之公共客家除了增加正式行為高層外延續從事行為醫療同行為營養治療庫同時進行合法屬於對應技術以及行為體育醫療及教學現場的應用內容開發鼓勵國際的條件行為的數位運用 |
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四、為了年期客家委員會以及提升客家委員會年齡114年度編列31,835萬3千元。三、在客家委員會發展計劃最高113年度增加2,493萬9千元。還有是增加7.9%。主要是因爲條件 |
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總統的客家政見以及規格、客家發展計劃、鼓勵、強硬、投入、客家存益、傳承。 |
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5010.687 |
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5034 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
2月11日客家演藝術新力量攀起客家效盛推廣。十、及其代表性的編劇、導演及傑出的客家演藝術工作者,共同來批出代表客家文化的客家客套,推動客家創意用戶的發展。五、肥料特徵 |
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客家傳播經驗主流私從114年度編列審議一七千四百五十一萬四千元判理客家傳播行事計劃。上個113年度增加一億九千九百九十九萬三千元。 |
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太陽市增加18.6%。主要是因為內總統的政見國際客家提供導演、議員、導演出權的價值,繼續推動客家社會媒體發展,獎勵部署客家導演、養殖員、女勇參資,協助客家文化、女勇力的再提升, |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
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5089.59 |
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即合送一平坦直播客家內容生意提示的樣應節目。建立跨普遍支持體內強化客家文化內容生意發展。建立自創作、製作、審算、行銷等集團的樣式發展體內合作區分客家內容IP。 |
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之不由則讓私營作品打出國際客流品牌文化現象,讓令客家文化行業注入傳播思想,批示國際客流風潮,提升客家文化能見度。 |
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六、為了強化客家文化延期財體連結與國際交流114年度編列315798萬6千元攀離客家文化生產接歸 |
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月期2點幾分,最高113年度增加6.2%。主要判例南北延期建物,實施因應生命主義及公共安全,進行推翻、更新。 |
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以及託贊客家委員會函送的措施,研究調查、暫時交流以及關機合作。七、為了達到當後的實證目標,協助客家事務推展114年度 |
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其他基本行政的工作位置、交通運輸設備以及公共建設經費編列31,318,257,000元。最高113年度函收1,030,100,000元。 |
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最後,本次會議中行政委員會提供各個議員整體發展方案,持續議中各個客家發展計劃、合作的機制,整合各部分職員、分工合作,內同心推動行業創新、復振和發展。 |
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全面提升國家對客家的認識和審訊,讓出共客有身份金,打出以及獲准負起空用的消費。 |
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牽扯拜託主席及國會委員現金對本費114年度預算全力支持,預算報告增強國會委員職高並增強繼續支持本費。神門太監暗自私羅勒感謝。 |
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上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時 |
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30分截止發言登記。因為今天預算處理本次會議就不處理臨時提案請問各位委員有沒有意見?沒有的話我們接下來就進行詢答請登記第一位的蘇巧慧委員 |
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好謝謝主席我們請鼓主委好請主委主委好主委好那我想我們這次在研究客委會114年度的年度施政目標的時候看到許多的計畫都跟青年是有相關的那首先我是表示支持我想主委我們在的 |
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地方很多時候很多場合都看到您親自出席這個客家社團所以我也在地方的時候就直接跟您表示那也很高興獲得你正面同意我認為現在其實最能夠傳承地方客家 |
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最能夠傳承客家文化的其實是在地的社團而在地的社團當中如果能夠跟青年事務有關係甚至是跟兒童兒少有關係的這種計畫我們都應該要大力支持主委你在現場的時候都表示肯定那今天在備訓台這邊的話你可以再簡單闡述一下你的看法嗎 |
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感謝委員,沒錯,因為我們一直說客家、客家文化要純純,有純就有純,純一定是年紀是太重皮,純一定是我們年輕人的聲音,所以我們在時政計劃底部 |
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為針對強硬、按著力的提防也要按捐贈人、兼容的、情緒的部分也要按捐贈。那主委你可不可以具體跟我們說明一下舉例舉例在你的計畫當中在你的編列的預算當中有哪幾項就可以直接跟青年有關係甚至是鼓勵各個社團針對這些來提出方案的 |
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我們在強言的部分,我們為來潘莉重返客座,就是鼓勵候選的多幾多次的客座提案,安慰候選人都可以,沒有限制他們的內容。 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
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5492.409 |
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上午9時至下午9時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時 |
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這樣子講下來已經有非常非常多的計劃我也非常的樂見所以第一你把這個計劃看是公告在哪裡因為我是等於是提出一個方向喔我說的是在我們的社團當中以客家社團了因為你也同意最能夠延續這個我們客家文化的其實是地方的熱心社團所以我們同意要給客家社團大力的補助這你同意嘛對不對這第一個目前已經整堆全團了沒錯 |
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對,您已經這樣說了。很好。而且再進一步而言對於社團裡面願意做青年的你還願意更大力的補助同時又對青年也開了這樣的計畫這些都沒有問題嘛對不對所以第一個麻煩您告訴我們這個正確的資料也告訴我們在客委會這邊哪裡可以比如客委會的網頁上面可以直接看出來這個是我本席對你的第一個要求啦沒有問題吧好主委 |
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5563.421 |
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目前會供考的資訊這是第一個沒有問題但第二個我就請教您所以這些計劃都是客委會來製作來編列來把這個計劃構想出來的是客委會沒有錯嘛地方政府有這個 |
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如果是叫每一個地方政府來做的話這你認為適合嗎?他應該是共同來做但是重點是我們的青年應該是不分全國哪一個縣市他都應該能夠有同樣的資源同樣的機會在同樣的方向之下去得到這些資源我這個概念應該也沒有錯吧 |
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5598.498 |
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對全台灣的青年公平的狀態。對全台灣的客庄青年公平。這問題也沒有問題嘛對不對?也沒問題。好那接下來那我就請教主委了。主委你知道我們上個禮拜上上個禮拜剛通過新的財政收支劃分法對不對?好 |
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5644.47 |
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財政收支劃分法我們現在如果新法通過執行之後一次會從中央拿走將近3700多億的預算3700多億的預算是一個什麼樣的概念呢以中央部會來講的話最多的其實是國防部4700億那再來就是衛福部跟教育部大概是3700和3600 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
5669.119 |
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消失的預算,這也沒有問題嗎?對不對?所以主委我的問題是那你客委會受到多少影響?你估算過了沒有?20%喔? |
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| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
5686.428 |
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主委你沒有講我們還不知道影響這麼多那可是我再繼續看下去因為我們自己看 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
5701.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
5722.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
我們現在新通過的法律還說呢那如果我們的計劃裡面分成一般型計劃一般型的預算跟一般性的預算跟計劃型的預算那一般性的他還說不能夠比前一年少所以看起來能夠影響的就是計劃型的經費囉好那你回到地方政府來看我覺得這有一點可怕 |
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| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
5737.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
因為客家委員會所有的計劃型補助都是跟地方型相關的而且我回去看我們新北市政府客家事務局的預算我們114年舉例來講我們的稅務預算是4160萬元可是我們從中央拿到的補助及協助收入是多少是3817萬通通都是來自中央型的補助及協助收入你細看下去 |
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5754.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
5769.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
其實就是全部都是計劃型的預算啊計劃型的補助所以等於114年如果我們按照現在通過的財化法新的財化法來講的話我們九成的預算有可能會受到影響啊主委 |
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| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
5785.439 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
那不要說我們剛剛一開始講的所有全國的青年不應該因為他所在的縣市不同未來得到的補助方式不一樣甚至是連地方政府的預算 |
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5786.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
5805.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
其實看起來都會受到大大的影響我們未來好像看起來多了新北市370億但我們從光是從客委會得到的計畫型補助很有可能就少了很多你剛剛說少三成嘛平均每個縣市如果都公平的少三成那我們不得了我們要怎麼運作啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
5806.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
5822.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
這個是很大的問題,請問你們跟地方政府有討論過了嗎?未來怎麼因應?目前很忙討論,不過人家的百分之一是擺在感受,會感受到同樣的期間,要有的推動,不出提防政府跟沙團都會影響那個全面性的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
5850.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
各位我覺得這是一個很嚴肅的問題法律通過當然現在立法院就是我們尊重少數服從了多數服從多數通過的法律到底會產生什麼樣的後續影響其實現在正要開始所以我想這個問題既然我們這個上週這個才化法已經這樣通過了現在到底有沒有要附屬有沒有要附議等等那當然還不知道可是 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
5852.522 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
配套能夠進行的好。主委,這部分可以吧?你們應該要立即開始進行討論吧?我們要等待行政院有民國的指示以後,我們就要下去跟提防政府下去。主委,加油啦。這是一個很大很大的問題。希望你們要好好討論。好,感謝委員。謝謝。好,謝謝蘇喬惠委員。接下來請張宏祿召委。 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
5912.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
來請主委好請主委總召委主委我們有一個計劃客庄地方創生移居計劃這個也已經施行了兩三年了你個人這一段時間你認為他執行的效果如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
5935.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
5939.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。三、繼續審查客家委員會及所屬單位預算書案 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
5958.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
5975.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
5976.092 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
5990.279 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
它這個有一點暫停有一點這個到底是成效不好還是看不出來希望呢?主要是因為演藝書不流行,所以帶出來的好意其實也有限啦因為全國這樣分散在二、三人的目的所以我們明年要開100個100個名額來本州省的整個都提供 |
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| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
我個人認為啦吼 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
6059.204 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
這一個會有這種的感覺是因為都是一個點一個點然後都是獨立的我不知道主委你知不知道其實客家莊啊比如說我們一舉一個台山縣好了上面客家莊也蠻多的對不對我們這個計畫就不能說有一個面一個縣再來一個點嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
6061.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
6062.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
6075 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
6101.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
主委你知道像國外有那種朝聖者之路有沒有西班牙西班牙西班牙法國這個朝聖者之路吸引全世界很多人去對對那你覺得我們客家莊我們之前也有這個張之繫道什麼等等的我們用這樣子我們也不要一次太多 |
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6102.219 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
6117.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
我們以台山縣這樣子做一個整體的規劃然後來配合你們這個專案計畫你覺得這樣子會不會比一個點一個點然後沒有聚焦會比較好 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
6140.094 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
議員會議員會議員會議員會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
6141.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
6168.706 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
這個朝聖者之路他是去看廟去看教堂但我們也可以用這個概念我們整個這樣下來我們客家莊也有一些廟然後我們客家莊也有我們客家的生活體驗對不對然後也有美食你把宗教生活體驗美食把它全部放在一起 |
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| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
6178.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
你覺得會不會有吸引我們先不要說國外的人你會不會覺得台灣的人如果你有把他這樣子會不會有人想要去體驗 |
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| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
6182.949 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬單位預算書案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
6212.378 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
中央政府總預算案關於中央政府總預算案關於中央政府總預算案 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
6230.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
6231.002 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
午10時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
6251.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
6268.225 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
6277.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
在海裏有一個小石頭在這邊休息,這樣子才有那個讓他成長茁壯的機會啊?主委你認為呢?我再回應一下,現在我們可以在今晚的客庄小旅行,在旅行,就是大家都,剛剛議員說的,我們在本地所有的幾個點,還有目前在合宗的七十個點,全部都要整個包裝起來。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
6322.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
好我為什麼要講這個計畫我認為很好但是他就是一百萬而已一百萬能撐多久如果你沒有整體的規劃下去我跟你講你這個阿會浪費掉啦阿但我覺得非常好可以讓年輕人返鄉去創業然後去做很多事情我覺得主委思考一下啦看我說的這樣子可不可行阿可行的話從這個方面去處理阿好不好嗯好感謝委員OK好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
6330.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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6351.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
6362.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
主委在這我要收集一個意見給您這可能我看這個時間也很久了跟這個頻道因為可能我中午不平衡我每次看這個都會暈暈的不舒服那個好像是頻道因為我尊重你的意見你尊重我的意見好不好感謝你意見 |
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| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
6384.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
謝謝主委在這本社的時間。 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
6388.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
6393.334 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
因為主委在這我要向您請教我們客家園區有兩個地方在這個過程當中我也很關心我們這個園區是要如何讓它可以好一點因為在我在關心的當中也有您給我的意見就是說我們可以 |
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| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
因為疫情差不多190年至181年。但是在這個規定當中今年已經183年的月了。但是我們都沒辦法 |
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6429.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
6431.784 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
二、審查公共傳播基金會及所屬單位預算書案。三、繼續審查公共傳播基金會及所屬單位預算書案。 |
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6447.822 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
6449.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
可以如何保證、收益及鼓勵我們客家的人、帶四大人或帶孩子去參觀也好,你有什麼機會來。 |
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6461.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
6467.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
感謝委員我們兩位議員在美麗與平等我認為我們最主要還是要我們兩位議員所判的任務包括法庭、政難要有提示要有提示、要本、提訪人要有齊描、要有意義做得來 |
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| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
6494.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
最主要的人。再來聽到要提防合作人,特別是我們講生態博物館,我們一定要...主委你知道我現在問這個問題,目前為止183年,這間有多少人去參觀嗎?目前那137... |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
6512.811 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
6513.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
午9時至午10時至午10時至午。 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
6529.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
6533.107 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
主委,我向您請教我們一件議事。第一,剛才財委也有說,客庄創生及環境營造的計劃當中,這是變到最後一年,最後一年你要變12億,第83年, |
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中央政府總預算案關於中央政府總預算案關於中央政府總預算案關於 |
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中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。四、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。五、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。 |
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委員報告,所有的案都遭工廠侵吐行,目前只有香山的工廠案有控落,我聽說有工区的建設的推動費補來加強因為我認為這已經太慢了,我們這個工廠要加強 |
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主委,在這客家議員發展計劃裡面,我委員會為自己說,待會兒,等會兒,明天、明天、明天、明天、明天、明天、明天、明天、明天、明天、明天、明天、 |
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每年1月70至10日要在9月7日來表演。因為在這兩天我要跟主委探討的就是說在9月7日不要看過這個表演。非常的高興也感謝主委及所有的委員會到三天可以在9月7日來表演。 |
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嚴告未來我們的議員是不是還要有家鄉的空間來請主委你回答一下感謝委員,我們委員會開行的法庭都被一個菸絲輪流判了當然像新北市有判過 |
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法連、電電都判過。不管在行人過渡的素材,也在渡市的素材,我們很會討論,也拜託各位。未來我們也希望會培養客家的藝術團體,也在他們的訓練,訓練的功效做得到全台灣。因為主委,我是覺得說,議員這個區塊,你如果給他那麼多的資源, |
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無未來,我認為我們的客家的單位,這些年輕的客家的主管會越來越久。我認為這你要非常去了解一下,還有我們客家的時候的補助、的客製當中,你有看到越多費,口越好,要不然我們要補償國家的基金的時候, |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至 |
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差不多75%至80%所以在這個問題要如何讓高齡年輕人去參加這個議案這是最重要的在這裡最後主席再給我一個時間我要跟主委說不說照顧戰在所有我們自己的長照 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至 |
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第11屆第2會期內政委員會及所屬部分。三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於中央政府公共傳播基金會及所屬部分。 |
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午10時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11 |
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拜訪長照這個所在心事你會如何對客家委員會及這位客家委員來照顧來,你會回答這個問題。我們經常在跟提訪聯絡,因為要提訪就審查,經常我們不出判法就提出審查,要我們好好地聯絡。 |
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沒有啦,主委我知道我們一個會議不是我們所有在這裡的委員去會議啦我知道是地方政府會議及他們沒有會議是不是你們可以拜託我們的審判人員在當地好不好,以上好,好,好,感謝委員謝謝,不好意思 |
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每每每可以多講好接下來我們請張志倫委員那同時跟委員會報告我們等一下黃建斌委員尋答完之後休息5分鐘我們讓大家可以用用一下洗手間好好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早有請谷主委好強主委 |
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總委員吼。 |
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部會需刪減預算,以致來為客委會無法繼續支持全臺客庄的興建工程活動,包含已特別提出來臺中東勢客家文化園區修建及興建案以及苗栗明德水庫自行車道二期工程以及補助地方 |
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附贈客語的獎助規劃以及地方藝人活動及團體的獎助補助經費。那你也特別提出你的客委會的預算會減少28%我想要請教主委這個12月20號財化法才通過禮拜五晚上凌晨 |
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21日、22日、6日、23日只有一天的工作時間。結果你在24日馬上就算出來說你會減少28%的預算。讓我不禁覺得您非常的厲害。我都有點懷疑你未來有可能當這個主計長。所以是不是想要請教你,你如何算出來你是這個部會是減少28%?你有跟主計長討論過嗎?還是你容身主計長了? |
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今朝總委員會議宣判在客家委員會發展支出過後,經濟財閥法通過約3,000萬億,推估國庫費可能下降。 |
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百分之二十八案項項項項項項項項項項項項項 |
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不過我要跟主委報告今年還是我們政府有超收稅收5000多億所以我本席是認為其實這個財化法修法後中央其實還有9000億可以運用而且還不包含超收稅收5000多億所以我認為這客委會應該要平衡中央跟地方的財政不要去影響中央對地方的補貼請主委再瞭解 |
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那我想要請教我剛剛請教主委的部分,我剛剛所提到這些三檢客庄的新建工程的部分是這個客庄369的計劃嗎?是嗎?那這樣客家創生繁殖養殖基物以及那支部門的部分 |
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好那本席在這邊提醒主委齁其實這個客家36客庄369的計劃其實不只只有補助苗栗跟台中也有補助屏東跟高雄那我希望本席希望說你到屏東跟高雄的時候也要像照這個苗栗跟台中的部分去跟他們講一下他們到底會減少多少預算那本席也希望你在這邊承諾不只減少預算不能只挑台中跟苗栗應該各個部會 |
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部會要去統整喔各個地區喔全台各個地區應該要對等的平均的減少相關的預算不能只減台中跟苗栗可以接受嗎?呃呃跟委員部重播過齁我會講藥糧的額內那個營費藥糧的額內呃經費一等台齁超過上億元齁 |
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主委我了解您意思這經費比較大那你可以同意說全台各個你要補助客庄369的要均衡的去減少不能只減少台中跟苗栗的可以嗎所以你全台灣會等比例減少 |
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本期要特別提出來這個你臉書的發文 |
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最偏文章還特別請小編下來廣告那我知道你今天已經撤掉了所以現在已經撤掉我就不提了好OK那第二個本期要請教你有關於客家族群主流發展計畫的期程是109年到114年那我們可以看到這一張我們臺灣其實客語發展有個非常重要叫做國家客家發展計畫 |
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最新的報告只有到110年到112年然後上次110年到112年的核定本是110年的6月15號讓本席很好奇的是我們現在台灣難道沒有國家客家發展計劃嗎? |
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113年的發展計畫在哪裡?來請主委解釋一下。我要請教主委,現在是113年的12月了。上次是在110年的6月15號就通過,你已經晚了,近6個月。那我要請教賴總統,難道113年,你新出的報告是要從113年開始,還是114年來開始? |
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我們已經完成了我請問你要回答我是從113年開始還是114年?114年那113年難道全台灣沒有國家客家發展計劃嗎?113年是空窗期嗎?應該是說113年以後有一個平台是369的發展平台故事一兩的我考慮改善合法來強化各界的發展 |
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我為什麼要跟主委特別報告這件事國家客家發展計畫對全台灣的在客家發展非常重要因為裡面有編的很詳細的預算以及計畫以及執行情形可是我們現在看到的是在賴清德主政底下主委113年的計畫居然是空白繳了這個空白的成績單 |
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所以我希望主委這一點要好好來檢討不然我們也不排除說這個您這邊要來推動客家發展計劃作此客家基本法的預算在研究的預算我們不排除來凍結甚至刪除這拜託主委好在接下來在持續的關係我再請教這個剛剛很多人提到這個博工114年的博工照護站的部分我要為所有我們所有客家鄉親來請益為什麼博工照護站的這個 |
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能申請的比例調整了原本用客語溝通人數只要佔常住人口30%就可以了可是為什麼114年你們要改成這個比例要高達50%那這樣子我們經費大概有增加了快要300萬那這樣子申請門檻變高可是預算卻增加那我知道說你們一定會提說未來要改進加入什麼青年嘛對不對 |
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二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。 |
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審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。四、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。 |
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好那沒關係我們本期會繼續來監督看說這樣子話整個比例希望不要下降太多能申請的人不要太少那最後時間的關係我再請教客委會我覺得最大的問題之一除了剛剛我們講的國家計劃法以外我認為沒宣費問題很大114年的客委會編的沒宣費是一億三千兩百一億三百二十九萬元 |
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那比113年度的預算增加2300多萬元,比112年度的這個預算增加增加了3000多萬元,增加的比例非常的高。那本席跟主委報告,112年月客委會有辦這個世界客家博覽會,所以我沒宣費可以增加我可以理解,可是113年度我們總共的經費是6900多萬,主委你知道到11月的時候沒宣費花了多少錢嗎? |
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到113年11月的時候預算書是6900多萬請問到113年的11月就上個月讓你結帳花了多少錢你知道嗎目前6200萬左右我說到113年的11月底知道嗎 |
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我要跟主委報告也跟所有委員報告的是你知道113年11月只花了3471萬你總共的預算是6900多萬你知道11月的時候11月底還花不到一半那我請教這沒宣費到底是什麼編出來的 |
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因為因為有排程,有媒體的宣傳有排程,都是你的結案,結案的要由法律全部支付為款本送送。所以我要跟主委報告,沒宣費,尤其是我們所有委員非常重視,都是人民的納稅錢,到底有沒有浮標,所以你12月份的時候要花,我們沒宣費花將近3339萬。 |
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當然一定有包含驗收可是我要請問政府的預算人民的納稅錢可以這樣花嗎全部預算一整年11個月份都不請款都不執行到12個月份的時候再大筆的沒宣費這樣去執行這樣去請款所以我要拜託主委的是我跟您報告你114年的預算是9000多萬要增加2000多萬我不希望說還有像113年這樣的執行跟運用跟請款情形可以嗎 |
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昨天晚上我檢討他的付款啦。付款的期程、特兵、他的金額啦。英國的那幾年圖。幾年圖都最年代。對阿我們台灣有紅花季有非常多的節育阿。怎麼會到11月底的時候才花50%的錢。到12月份直接請款把最後人民納稅錢53000多萬一次給請款一次給花掉。 |
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我光是作業期程也不會花那麼久的時間所以我要拜託主委114年度還增加更多增加到9200多萬所以本期不希望發生113年度我照最後一個月再消化預算的情形這樣可以嗎?因為那個財務人員要儲息行財務人員要付款的儲息行當然我們不可以跟所有的律師都在那邊我看他的財務人員的情況要付款 |
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所以每個的執行平均都到12月才執行完畢嗎?所有的法庭都要到12月才執行完畢。好,謝謝主委,拜託以後不要再這樣子了,謝謝。好,謝謝張志倫委員。我們接下來請麥玉娟委員。 |
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下午11時至下午11時至下午11時至下午11時至下午11時至下午11時至下午11時至下午11時至下午11時至下午11時至下午11時至下午11時至下午11時 |
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主委好我要請教主委一下你知道在民進黨2012年民進黨主席蘇貞昌還有台南市長賴清德立法院黨團總召柯建民還有幹事長潘蒙安呼籲財政收支劃分法列為優先 |
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審查法案。在2024年我們為了幫民進黨執行這個法案也是幫他們為民眾承諾已經承諾的法案我們是幫他們 |
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法案通過。所以他說有效縮短城鄉貧富的差距這個就是當時在2012年的就民進黨說的他們的目標你是否認同? |
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議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議 |
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二、審查財政委員會及所屬部分。三、繼續審查財政委員會及所屬部分。 |
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所以你不認同你就是打臉他們他們當初就浪費時間來推這個法了所以當初我們國民黨不同意這個法通過是對的是嗎?所以他們就是要去用這樣子的法尊重尊重的也不是你才能來提評論的嘛 |
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所以他們當初他們要去修這個法是為什麼當初客委會沒有覺得這個法不好呢他們也是大力的為我們的人民去承諾當時我們覺得他們這個會期我們覺得他們的法是很好所以我們就是幫忙他們就是把這個法通過但是我看你在2020 |
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7818.615 |
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7836.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
二十二月二十四在臺中在我們的旺子學校函修復工程的時候以及在苗栗參加客家文化文學花園的移轉儀式時公開表示 |
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7837.711 |
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財化法通過,就是減少預算28到30%,並稱說未來中央無法再照顧地方政府,還有說這番言論具體含義是什麼? |
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7853.197 |
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7856.442 |
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如果客家委員會真的關心客家文化為何不提具體解決的方案而是選擇製造分支所以我覺得這個部分請客委會在中央 |
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因具備高度的格級尊重地方的政府的要求財化法修正式讓地方的資源分別應用還有客家委員會要攜手地方推動文化的建設 |
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7890.118 |
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現在我們要呼籲我們的客家委員會這一邊和政府不要干預我們的法案剛才你說你尊重但是你已經干預了所以將客家的族群不要把族群變成政黨的籌碼這個是會影響到我們的族群成為我們 |
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7912.083 |
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政黨的鬥爭的工具。所以好,第二個,我要想請教你一下,我要想請教你一下,我要想請教你一下,對,但是你在去地方你要講的是客家的文化,客家委員會怎麼樣推動這些文化,不是要把財 |
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7936.192 |
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7938.015 |
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財劃法在地方來變成你的演講的宣傳,這樣子的話會造成我們的族群的奮鬥。但是要去思思啦,因為我們都提防,要利用提防去做 |
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7951.556 |
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7953.777 |
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所以剛才你說你不干涉你就還要提這個所以我想要問你現在你的專業的啦你現在應該要做的事情就是在我們114年度客家傳播行銷行動裡面你編列了 |
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7967.605 |
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7974.169 |
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12億7千多但是在113年度只有10億7千多增加1億9千多但是我看這一筆錢增加有必要嗎?效果如何?有沒有達成你編列之前做得不好現在還增加那麼多這樣的效果又如何?如何提升客家文化在國際上的能見度? |
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7996.244 |
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7999.647 |
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還有我們如何將這個獎勵補助我們客家的影視音樂還有製作請問我們的主委你覺得你如何評估補助這個案子的效力才不會浪費我們的經費 |
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8016.424 |
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8034.755 |
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跟貓咪嚴報告,我們客家出權那些看不到的,那些隱形的,因為對外表、對銀行的看,都是這樣。如果你覺得這個是隱形的話,客家傳播行銷計劃,這個是宣傳的,叫做隱形。如果你說隱形的話,貓咪嚴誤批我意思。這樣子的,我要問你, |
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8044.241 |
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8045.842 |
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在我們的…好,你講這樣子嘛,你講到我在問你第二題嘛,好,你先問,我要因為時間有限,你說隱形的看不到,或者其他,但是我要問你,客家委員會每年要投3億來推動學校科語學習計畫, |
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8071.232 |
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8073.373 |
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主委覺得這個執行的效果如何?學習的意願高嗎?還有我們客家人或者是一般學生對客家語聽說能力有多少?你覺得這個有效嗎?有多少?你有再去一方? |
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所以這個才是你要做的工作,不是要去干預說財化法怎麼樣怎麼樣,這個事情要解討,要怎麼樣去把這件事情去改善,你才要變一變一算。 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
8114.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
8115.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
本次會議時間為上午9時至 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
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你該的工作你要跟人家說明你該的工作要去在地方先宣傳讓更多人去學習我們的客家語還有推廣文化還有新語言對所以困難你要解決這個困難啊如果困難你要不要做你解決這個困難要不要做 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
8163.783 |
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8165.565 |
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當然,所以我拜託委員會支持我們的醫生,因為醫生分歸到的項目一直都在推動我們就是因為很多的項目,但是這個項目你也做不好嘛,你要困難的要去在地方跟地方溝通的時候, |
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8184.706 |
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8191.072 |
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發言的時候應該要聽聽我們的地方如何去把這件事情做好。不只是學習的學習沒有達到我們的目標還有預算還有許多我們的學生還有老師還有我們的客家語的老師你覺得現在資源足嗎? |
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我相信貓委員剛才說過,幕後也要我們募銀團,因為居多地方,包括地方政府、鄉鎮公所也在說,我們的客家都在兼顧努力在推動,所以貓委員說幕後我們是服募募銀團,客家該努力,還有我們行商市都該努力跟我們的營業文化去共存。所以我才說你這個是主要的工作,我是要求說你主要的工作要你做。 |
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8235.123 |
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主要的工作你要去報告說你們的預算你要主要的工作怎麼樣地方去合作還有我們的師資我們的師資如何讓大家來去有師資的足夠來配合各個學校來去推廣這樣的語言師資又不足大家學習意願也不足 |
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8260.734 |
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8260.954 |
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本次會議時間為上午9時至 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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8305.661 |
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帶風向還是要去跟著政黨的宣傳來去做你該做的職務。以上報告先。接下來請黃建斌委員。黃建斌委員質詢完之後我們就休息五分鐘。 |
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謝謝主席,現在我們請谷主委。好,請主委。好,來,王明彥吼。主委好。主委,本席首先要針對我們12月19號我們內政委員會的狀況來表達本席的想法吼。因為一定在上上個禮拜我們內政委員會就可以針對我們客人會來進行這個預算的答詢吼。那接著就趕快把預算審完,那趕快來推動我們客家族群 |
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委員會的一些政策。不過因為當天我們民進黨也霸佔了我們整個主席台,那原本應該要進行的會議沒有辦法來持續,讓諸位您本人以及許多在場的主管在這邊苦等一整天,造成我們議事的空轉,我想也造成客會還有行政觀點的時間的浪費。不過本席在這邊要肯定你,因為當天議事雖然被癱瘓,不過你還是很盡責的堅守在崗位上,等待立委的質詢。 |
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8388.149 |
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8398.779 |
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我想這是身為部委員首長應該要有的一個態度我想不論我們立法院的公訪正常公訪是如何身為中央的行政長官你在預算的審查期間本來就應該要監守崗位 |
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8400.762 |
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8421.571 |
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那做好準備,針對每項預算向我們立法院還有全國人民來說清楚到底我們人民的納稅錢要怎麼用,要用到哪裡去。那本期在這邊也要強調行政權要接受立法權的監督。部會首長接受質詢這是最基本最基本的憲政原則也是行政跟立法之間最基本的互動倫理。 |
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8422.714 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
8445.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
不過我們行政院拱秘書長那天也做了一個非常非常不好的示範就當著大家委員會面就這樣子離開非常的傲慢所以這件我想除了要對股主委監督官會表達肯定以外我想也要譴責我們拱秘書長這個是待乎職守那兩位比較起來高下立判股主委的表現才是一個部會書長應該要有的一個態度 |
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| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
8460.742 |
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好接下來我想回到我們整個課會預算部分本期有幾點想要跟谷主委來就講齁那在114年之後課會的稅出高達43億7036萬那相較在113年我們預算增加了4億2217萬我們整個增加高達10.69%齁所以增加比例可以說是不少啦齁那 |
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8486.545 |
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在客庄創生及環境營造計劃這個部分總計劃我們基本是6年高達53億元這是一個非常龐大的一個項目那114年剛好是計劃的最後一年那總共編列了12億元那裡面包括是業務費1億2461萬獎補助費10億 |
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6千9百萬。本席認為計畫的最後一年應該是要仔細來盤點我們整個預算的執行成效的時刻,絕對不要為了要消化而亂花,因為這都是人民的納稅錢。那這邊本席要替我們台東來請命。 |
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8537.556 |
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主委知道臺東的客家鄉親有4萬多人,占了整個臺東縣人口的五分之一,算是一個很大的族群。那我們在池上鄉,臺東縣池上鄉有一個臺東縣客家文化園區,這是由當時客會跟臺東縣政府共同投資興建。那我們縣政府現在目前積極地在招商來作業,希望透過這個委託管理的方式,結合我們客家的文化,不管是深入旅遊、特色露營或是文創聚落的體驗, |
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| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
讓客家文化園區能夠真正能夠成為一個兼具文化教育確認功能的特色空間。讓我們整個園區的功能能夠更完善、更完備、更具有觀光魅力。在這邊我們根據客人會這個客庄創生環境營造計畫補助要點裡面我們的核心精神就是要振興客家文化特產業。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
8561.104 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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8571.949 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
8591.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
在外面的年輕人能夠返鄉那本期這邊也希望說中央能夠看到偏鄉地區的資源的不足那挹注更多的經費來支持台東那也希望客人會能夠向相關的活動移居到時尚客家委員區來舉辦我想這真的可以是促進我們客庄創生環境這個營造 |
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8593.35 |
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8600.975 |
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我們在客會114年預算裏面有一個叫議文傳播推廣的部分總共編列媒體政策及業務修正費高達9204萬相較在113年是增加2301萬增加高達33.3% |
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8626.437 |
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根據我們客會的說法是說因為這個增加預算主要是因為推動這個提升客家語言文化及聲望運用客語討論公共議題的計畫讓更多人可以聽見客語支持客家文化來傳承跟延續 |
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8627.759 |
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8634.384 |
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本席絕對是支持這項的美意但你這個媒體政策宣傳費用在114年 112年的時候你計算數是5644萬那預算執行只有84.64%但是你在112年的時候你的預算就增加 |
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| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
8667.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
6時3點8這是一件很奇怪的事情剛剛張志偉也提到你在去年的錢還沒有執行完的情況你明年又編更多的錢要花這讓人家會去懷疑說你預算到底有沒有浮邊的情況嘛我想人民的納稅錢不是這樣花啦那到底可以問我們的媒體的這個政策跟業務宣傳是用在哪裡 |
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| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
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真的要宣傳我們客家文化嗎還是我們變成在支出特定的媒體的小金庫我想這個是很多委員都會質疑的地方那也希望各位接下來在我們預算的討論上能夠好好來說明那像我們委員會來說這個具體的成效會有大概相關的成效會到哪邊 |
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我相信內政委一定會很理性針對這部分來好好檢討那這邊也要再次的拜託我們的谷主委就是從剛剛職選部分講到的臺東縣的資源相對是較少那我們客家族群其實是佔一個不小的人數我們也希望各位能夠多多益助、經費甚至活動的舉辦能夠在臺東縣讓花東地區的客家鄉親也能夠有機會來感受自己的這個文化以上謝謝主委感謝王委員 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬單位預算書案。 |
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三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。四、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬單位預算書案。 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
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9119.016 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11 |
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9137.652 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
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上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至 |
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市長你好我想在上次的本來要審這個客家委員會的預算之後因為議事被杯葛所以今天算是正式的第一次審查那我想在雖然今天看到很多委員的提案有刪減或凍結客委會的預算但是等一下才會審查嗎所以並沒有目前還沒有這樣子的一個決議 |
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相信客家委員會會積極地爭取所有這個委員的預算希望不要被凍結或者被刪除但是我想財化法通過之後谷主委對著媒體說中央接下來幾年都沒有辦法照顧地方尤其是那天不管到苗栗或到台中市政府的時候 |
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希望爭取東勢客家園區的修建跟興建案。谷主委本人說口頭上已經答應了,那審查後也通過1.5億的預算。請問一下谷主委這筆預算會不會升變?那中央政府已經有下令要重編預算了嗎?要不然為什麼谷主委說會減少30%的預算?那如果沒有重編的問題,那為什麼要對媒體說這筆預算無法補助了? |
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請國際回答 |
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主委,這個行政院有跟你們說要重編了嗎?目前還忙,也要先這樣整理。有告訴你喔,剛剛主席長陳淑芝已經在內政委員會有對媒體講沒有要重編預算的計畫,沒有。所以為什麼您在還沒有,中央都還沒有告訴你,行政院都還沒有告訴你,您就在地方上散播這樣的言論呢?那是主委您自己的意見,還是是行政院給你的? |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
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我相信我們在議會上的財務法通過三千兩一的依算本提供,即使這樣通過,我們真實是會受到影響的陷阱。我想你可能知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
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雖然說您是今年才上任可是您應該很清楚光過去3年我們的這個超徵的這個稅收就已經超過1兆3400億光今年我們講今年預估會超徵就5100億 |
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所以拿來用這個財政稅務法通過之後的會增加的3753億回歸給地方其實這個金額就綽綽有餘根本不會影響到你中央的總預算那為什麼您當時就在地方上就講這樣的言論造成客家鄉親的一個恐慌嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
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二、審查客家委員會及所屬單位預算書案。三、繼續審查客家委員會及所屬單位預算書案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
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午10時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
9425.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
9427.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
跟我們所有的客家鄉親道歉剛剛主席長已經講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
9442.532 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
9452.198 |
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今年的預算不會重編,所以絕對也不會去影響到客委會的預算。所以您是不是該為這件事情不當言論,對我們客家鄉親道歉呢?希望以後還沒有定案的話,也希望谷主委在地方上不要去講這樣的言論好嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
9468.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
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立法院都預金。那以後就不用行政院啊,因為其實國主委就可以做決定,然後就不用行政院的要求。所以我覺得以後行政院還沒有通過還是希望國主委到地方上不要這樣子的不斷的聯論來引起客家鄉親的恐慌。接下來我還要問您下一題,就是我們客委會今年編列的預算,月進主流計畫有3億3844萬2千元。 |
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比較113年度的預算數9025萬元增加1億1475萬6千增加的幅度高達127%那我們有查過111年度這個獎補助費的執行率才16.67 |
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| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
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113年到8月底執行率也不過33.2%光執行率這麼低光今年的預算都花不完為什麼客委會還要在114年度還編列多增加了1億多政府高達百分之127的預算執行率這麼低要怎麼推廣客家的這個語言跟文化委員也要舒適這樣辦的到目前為止我們這行列已經超過9成了 |
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9539.331 |
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你現在已經超過九成了但是你明年度你看光到現在執行9025萬到現在你說好到九成了那明年你還要增加1億1476萬所以針對這個部分請谷主委一定要去徹底的檢討執行率其實是相對偏低未來要怎麼推廣客家語言跟文化再麻煩谷主委能夠好好來去檢討這個部分 |
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9565.519 |
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9573.442 |
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另外就是我們在114年度的議文傳播推轉的預算編列了16億1286萬7千其中對媒體政策跟業務宣導的是9204萬5千那我查了一下客委會主委可以看一下這個部分 |
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9583.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
9602.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
過去從109年到113年的三季我們可以看到民視得標了12次八大五次三立一次年代四次其中一個貝利德股份生公司更是高達1億4688萬我們可以看到就是特定的媒體好像都能夠標到我們客委會的這個標案 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
9617.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
那也會讓社會造成國家好像在養媒體的一個印象請問一下主委針對114年度這個部分客家委員會在執行年度的預算的時候是不是能夠改善 |
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9619.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
9625.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
議員報告,我們的議案一定都會公開招標。是限制性招標嗎?但是有限制性招標嗎?對不對? |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
9637.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
9653.063 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
9655.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
114年度的標案一定要立即檢討不要讓大家覺得說所有媒體好像只有少數的媒體能夠標到客委會的預算應該是要讓所有的媒體有公開競爭的一個機會那我想政府在 |
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9669.081 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
9697.186 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
補助跟標案的分配時也可以應該要考慮到如何促進媒體多元性才能夠提升多元媒體的生產好嗎?但是呢我們從目前看到確實有這樣的一個狀況那我們還是覺得你們應該在真正在做這樣的標案的時候應該要去注意到一個媒體多元性的狀況比如說現在看到很多都是民事的很多都是背利的那背利的公司到底是什麼樣子的一個來頭他幾乎都 |
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| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
客家委員會的表演幾乎都要飆到。這個部分麻煩主委一定要好好的在114年度我們在執行預算的時候一定要好好嚴格來執行。要一天合法。謝謝。好,謝謝。接下來請牛許廷委員。謝謝主席。客家委員會主委有請。好,請主委。 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
9737.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
9758.388 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
12月24日,您到苗栗縣公館客家文學花園移轉營運儀式上,針對財化法的修法發表聲明。我把它逐字來念。財化法修正通過之後,所有的預算要減掉28%。客委會補助全台的經費都會受到影響。新的案子沒有辦法補助。舊的案子,像客家花園這個案子的工程部分,有可能會延遲付款。 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
9780.279 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
全臺灣的案子不只是客家花園,這個有超過200個客語班會無法開班。另外每一個縣市鄉鎮的活動獎勵金,像苗栗厚龍的補助都會減少。還有苗栗縣政府所提的民德水庫景觀以及自行車道建置等大型案子都無法支持。財劃法造成立即性的影響很大,希望苗栗縣政府自行補足案子的經費缺口。你是這樣說的對不對?是,是這樣說的。 |
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9783.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
9805.419 |
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我們就從這個你剛剛說的說法來延伸我們的一些問題第一個從剛剛你講的這個12月24號你講的這些話裡面可以得到幾個狀況第一個財務法通過你知道所有的預算都要減少28%因為你說所有的預算要減28%這個數字非常精準這個是你自己算出來得到的結論還是你收到行政院的命令 |
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所以才百分之二十八因為有三千人以客家委員會及法庭的依選客家委員會以客家委員會經濟的三千人以內開案的部分差不多就有百分之二十八我的問題是你剛剛講說這是因為三千多億等等算出來的結果我的問題是這是你自己算的還是行政院命令你算的 |
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我還想問問這問題的原因是因為到底你要節省出3000多億的經費轉給地方這是個事實但是怎麼樣移轉不一定是說通通用有一種方法是大家一起減少 |
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一定的比例這是一種方法有一種是有一些部會相對來講業務可能沒有那麼重要他刪多一點也許客家的預算根本不會被動對不對請問行政院現在有決定用哪一種方法嗎目前正在合盲聽我們在用我們退股的方式來算我們的輸入影響的比例所以是你自己算的沒有行政院的指揮嘛對不對也還沒有決定嘛對不對沒錯沒錯你們是自己算的嗎沒錯沒錯 |
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好第二個從你剛剛講的這裡面可以得到就新的案子沒辦法補助表示計劃型補助的預算會大大幅刪減嘛然後你甚至包含舊的已經核定的案子你都有可能會刪減而導致延宕然後你還有講說這個200個客家班會沒辦法開班所以編載這次預算第4幕客家語言發展的經費7億多其中2億多是要全部刪掉嘛對不對然後再來你從你這個裡面講看起來苗栗很慘嘛因為 |
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最後一個喔? |
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從你剛剛這一段言論裡面可以得知的就是說這個減劣的計畫也就是說3減28%的這個計畫在114年就會執行可是剛剛我們講的這幾個問題就是從你那天講的話裡面延伸出來的可是跟現實上好像有很大的落差我現在先問你第一個問題如果按照你自己算的要減劣28%那我們是不是下午審預算的時候我們就直接把它減劣掉你贊成這樣的做法嗎 |
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三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。四、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬單位預算。 |
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還是要為客委員會預算來捍衛所以你還是希望可以盡量來通過對不對我們不要去影響客家的補助跟建設嘛拜託嘛你現在又拜託我好那這樣就很奇怪嘛你如果今天又希望說大家這個預算不要剪裂事實上剛剛很多委員也提到了不管是行政院、主計總署、財政部他們現在財政委員會質詢他們都講114年總預算要趕快來通過換言之行政院已經講得很清楚沒有要從編的計畫嘛也沒有要剪裂的一個狀況嘛對不對 |
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那不簡略對不對是大的原則希望預算通過是你今天講的那你在苗栗那天的說法是不是造謠?呃不是因爲你採訪法立法院已經通過了啊通過了就會招人也要嘗試行那價值我們都都會前提齁那價值真是這樣會發會輸到的影響那個賣的我們就要先講先幹要選出來要本他自己了解要都會試試啦 |
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主委阿你講的話是會被媒體報導的是會引起鄉親恐慌的為什麼我們可以在地方行程的時候講一套阿今天你在這邊答詢的時候你又變出另外一套為什麼兩套說法沒有同時存在阿我沒有兩套喔我那一套喔主委說他要出的麻煩因為立法院已經通過了他要施設阿那個價值針對他要三千兩億不好意思喔主委 |
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你如果是一套說法的話那你是不是在那邊就講說程序上會發生這樣的事情你如果是這樣講那大家沒有意見但我們還是希望預算過關然後你在苗栗的時候你這樣講你今天回答質詢的時候你也這樣講大家會不會有問題啊可是問題是 |
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你在這邊就講說,現在還有一些程序上的問題所以還要等結果,所以希望我們不要去見諫。在前面有講,在前面有講,客家是要通過,要這樣執行的法,在前面有講,客家是要執行的法,要影響到我們的那些油,我們都在窮擁一套的說法。 |
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在所有的新聞媒體的揭露上面可不會幫你寫這麼多前提條件啊那你今天要不要在今天的質詢結束之後趕快發一個正式的澄清跟說明啊還是按照預算的正常編列程序跟法規的執行之後再做定奪是不是要這樣講我現在還是要做詳細論但是我們立法院通過財發法也會實施啦所以我們建基案呢我會去提供我們首度的影響然後通客家去報告 |
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我現在要提醒你的就是說如果你明明知道這個有一定的行政程序預算的追加追減也有一定的程序那你就應該在公開的場合講一樣的程序如果你真的已經收到行政院的命令或者是你自己要自我尊潔你已經做好這樣的準備那你今天來這裡備詢的時候你就要講我們哪些計畫要處理今天我們就把它簡列 |
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那也是一種做法但至少不管是這兩種的哪一種對外對內都是一致的可是你不能對外講的一副很恐怖的樣子對內又講我們要尋程序預算還要照編這就是雙標這就是造謠你對外沒有講一樣的話啊你對外的說法就是要刪減28%你對外的說法是200多個客餘班沒辦法開那是不是預算要刪掉 |
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財劃法通過之後事權一定要調整我想你那天講的也是希望說如果真的有缺口希望縣市政府用多的統籌分配款來處理沒錯嘛但是你為什麼要為什麼前後要不一致呢 |
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如果還沒有確定的是不能亂講欸你現在是主委欸現在是主委講出來的話大家都很關心欸是會造成客庄鄉親的恐慌啦本席強烈的建議啦今天在答詢結束之後趕快去媒體那邊把話重新的講清楚要按照程序按照等等經過審慎的討論之後再行調整把你前面的話收回來要不然我們下午預算我也不知道要怎麼審啦因為你一下說要刪一下又說不要刪那到底要不要刪都會遇到這個問題嘛對不對 |
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希望主委審慎為之啦在對外講的話不要有其他政治帶風向的意圖我提醒你到這裏啦剩下我們下午預算再講謝謝感謝委員來上午兩位周電堂 |
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10227.709 |
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10251.987 |
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欸谷主委你今天打選的時候一直講說假屎怎麼樣假屎怎麼樣我不知道那個翻譯的有沒有讓所有委員聽到你這個假設性假屎如何如何你根本不用不用講所以你之前在台中苗栗那個都是假設性的話那我們假設如果地震來怎麼樣講這些幹嘛根本還沒發生的嘛所以我不知道剛剛所有委員聽聽這個 |
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10260.382 |
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上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午 |
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沒有沒有本席因為聽太多我本來早就要提了所以主委這一塊那個請你尊重會議主席所以主委你這個假屎假屎你從頭到尾都講假屎所以本席就在這裡特別也跟你講你這樣假屎可是寫出來都沒有假屎嘛對不對好那請你回座 |
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請你尊重主席。接下來請李博義委員。請鼓主委。請鼓主委。 |
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很巧齁我今天今天其實也為了才化法的問題也是也是要請教你一些才化法的這些之後的這個預算然後包含補助齁然後有客委會有一些預算包含這個我們客家文化產業發展我們要補助客家莊的產業聚落我們要 |
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10340.696 |
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補助客家文化的產業設施我們要補助客家莊的地方創生相關產業計畫然後裡面包含資本門、經常門分別有補助大概編列了9億多的預算 |
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那這個其實主委當然你提出這個擔心跟疑慮也不是沒有道理啦因為我看一下齁在我們立法院上個禮拜通過這個財化法的三讀裡面齁好我們來講客家的客家呃客家鄉親人口最多的這些縣市來講的話齁好我舉個桃園市新竹縣跟苗栗縣 |
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10397.645 |
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各在明年度會增加的預算有多少?主委你聽了會不會流淚?我說的流淚是說你總預算多少你要補助人家總預算多少啊?桃園市總預算明年度增加617億新竹縣總預算明年度增加185億啊對不起桃園市我剛剛有一點口誤齁我看到的是整體預算桃園市增加259億 |
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新竹縣增加185億苗栗縣增加137億主席新竹縣增加185億啦 |
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10433.416 |
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那你客委會總年度編列客家文化產業發展的預算是9.38億好你客與客家委員發展總年度編列的預算來主委你總年度編列預算多少?客與總年度是43億人家一個新竹縣一個苗栗縣 |
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10457.645 |
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所增加現在還不知道要做什麼事情喔我其實今天是想要來跟主委來討論說好那接下來的事權大家理性來討論吼包含這個主席剛剛雖然對我站在他面前不高興但是我們還是要來理性討論那新主線我不是不高興是你違反議事規則主席還沒請你你不要上台你時間給我暫停 |
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主席沒有請你上台的時候其實你可以還不用上台你剛剛也不是你的時間啊 |
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10491.11 |
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我是主席所以現在可以繼續開始謝謝主席我也很想討論主席 |
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10499.241 |
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10518.234 |
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新竹增加了185億那各位會要補助的這些事權上我們是不是應該做一些理性的討論這個才是我們要的那如果真的國民黨萬一 |
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10535.01 |
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的主張是說其實我們當過局處長當過這個部會首長我們知道其實我們都希望可以做很多事情可以跟行政院爭取爭取很多的預算這一本客委的會的預算其實就是這樣爭取來的當 |
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10538.668 |
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10566.949 |
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當整個行政院的預算少了3000多億難免一定會少到可能各部會的預算一定會那客友會必須要做什麼樣的準備要不要來討論這些事權怎麼處理比如說你怎麼去補助比你還有錢的縣市啊這一些資本門的這些補助我們是不是應該坐下來討論啊你現在總預算就比我高這麼多我怎麼補助你啊主委你有沒有大概大概是不是這一套想法另外 |
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| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
本次會議時間為上午9時至 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
10574.11 |
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10596.944 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
我現在也想要推動現在有ChatGPT那ChatGPT裡面也開發出我可以學習英文的ChatGPT那我也希望客委會可以來投資來開發讓國人可以下載免費的ChatGPT可以學習客語的GPT這個各縣市可以拿去做嗎?這還是要找統規事權讓這個客委會這邊來做嗎?那舉例 |
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10601.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
10628.532 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
客委會其實有到日本那跟客家社團的互動我覺得這個也必須要強烈的鼓勵搞不好以後這些地方政府、客委會出國的預算都會比你還多了啦所以這一些相關的事全會希望主委可以做一個說明來主委你可不可以先回應我面對比你有錢的縣市接下來的補助你有沒有什麼想法 |
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10629.239 |
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10635.742 |
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感謝委員,因為我們的依選其實沒有按到,國研室增加的同屬分配稅款已經比我們合理的依選更多所以我們會提出我們對於事權應該要有一些討論 |
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10645.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
10653.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
當時我想要拜託地方政府將客家的部分依算付入年營主體,所以要將各縣市由客家種的縣市進行。其實這樣分下去我也很擔心,我們想推動這個比如說學客語的APP,搞不好每個縣市都有錢來做一個APP。 |
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10672.935 |
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10702.535 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
所以這個客家委員會還是要對於這個相關縣市的這些我們還是要具體的趕快來討論事權雖然這個是一個很畸形的立法先把錢拿走沒有討論事權但是確實真的要做事的這些部會就遇到了事權該怎麼樣來處理尤其客家委員會你是預算算很少很少的一個部會那很少很少的部會要來補助縣市政府非常非常非常有錢的這些縣市政府這是前所未有我們希望我們可以 |
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坐下來好好的討論這些事權要怎麼樣來分配謝謝感謝李委員好接下來請丁學中委員 |
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感謝主委我欸感謝主席啊我請主委好請主委好在明天吼欸主委吼剛剛大家都在說這個財劃法通過以後吼啊你馬上跳出來說我們整個總預算會少了兩成半欸兩成半到三成左右嗎 |
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平均平均用平均來算我想請問主委那今年我們的預算有沒有少了兩兩成瓜目前我們在那EV主委選各州都提出來所以目前我們在州的年變的預算來送出來 |
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那中央政府有沒有要說要重編預算?目前還沒有講還沒有嗎?所以這兩成瓜的預算你是怎麼算的?因為用財發法通過的3000兩億來算,加上法定的支出以後,平均的比率就是28%這樣來算 |
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所以明年還沒有要執行這個財法法?因爲法院立法院三途通過目前行政院有數度有政策出來很恐怖所以很忙實行很忙正式審核實行 |
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我是感覺我們政府我們的執政團隊我們的一言一舉是受國家以及全世界的一個矚目包括我們各位執政團隊你們所發言的是不是會造成地方上民眾的一個恐慌我們可能要以這個問題為優先才好法規我們是要讓我們每一個官員都可以平均 |
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來懇求我們這個統籌分配款的獎項,可以來替代我們的社福,要是建設,可以來獎項更加落實,並不是說要把金融衝向那一層。這個過分,如果要給我們注意水平一個。還有一項,就是說 |
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我們客家委員會這幾年增加了很多我們這個客家行銷傳播的經費我們有看那個拍一些國際大片來做宣傳請問我們那些拍的影片的內容是什麼 |
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本次會議時間為上午9時至本次會議時間為上午9時至 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
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明顯分裂群組的一個過去發生的一個慘劇。但是我會把主委過過的就是說,空氣剛好而已,已經過去了。我們現在還要用政府主權來把那個過去又給空給流廢。 |
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對嗎?所以我們這個,如果經過這個程序,同樣是這樣的這個做法,我們國家,我們人民,那個融合,大家和氣之氣,永遠都不會,永遠不會產生大家都有那個和氣之那個狀況。 |
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主委應該我們也有宣導那個照片的嘛有我們也有宣導酒駕的嘛有對啊啊那個照片的那個是警政署的我們也幫他宣導那個那個酒駕的 |
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午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至 |
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所以我的意思是說我們國家要帶人民走向正向,我們不要再政治化了好不好? |
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我們客人會應該把我們客家的優美優美的傳統把我們客家優美的特色我們呈現出來這樣是 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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首先是學習客語我們學習語言將要從小開始學習起。客委會有這個客語沉浸式教學計畫在客家文化重點發展推動全客語幼兒園這個部分我們最近發展的怎樣? |
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現在我們在全台灣都有推動一位議員曾經是教學,現在提供一位議員,我們不出本意,曾經是教學差不多52%都用合法來講,應該是800人辦 |
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報告主席我再一點點時間就好我跟那個主委再探討一下我知道我們第一個這個第一個學年的成果是怎樣推動這個這個沉浸式秀兒園的 |
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我們執行第一個學年目前全行業的幼兒園在他們的院室有8個院所是不是有77個幼兒園的3000多個小朋友獲得補助?有有有,有那些成金社這其中有幾家是全課以教學的 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
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一年兩屆,目前是八屆嗎?目前是八屆,我希望我們客語真的是一個我們台灣的一個很美妙的一個語言,希望如果我們落實,向下扎根,讓我們小朋友能確實的學習到我們客語的一些精華,我期待我們主委可以繼續來推動。 |
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我們一天會給審問內用力以為要以學校發起最好的一個結團,學行業最好的結團。好,感謝主委,感謝主席。接下來請黃婕委員。 |
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下午9時至上午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午 |
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主委先跟你請教一下因為財化法三讀通過已是繼承的事實我相信全國人民也都看到了那您在地方上講的這些事情我覺得現在也有必要讓大家知道說這個財化法三讀通過之後到底對客委會會有什麼直接的影響可不可以告訴我說這樣對於客委會的預算來說到底會少幾成然後可能會影響什麼項目 |
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跟議員報告,也要採訪法院的三前兩議。因為目前行盲作出確定的政策,但是我們在前提,即使只有案例,分批替各部份全部會減少28%。 |
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在我們客家委員會的議室內,社會的部分,因為我們所擁有的基疫若性的輔助,所以我們對提防政府的輔助,對沙團的輔助,還有我們其他推動的,全部、全面會鑑賞金費。 |
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好,我這邊想要誠摯的建議你你不只應該要講而且要講得更大聲而且你應該要更明確的告訴大家接下來到底什麼項目會受到影響那剛剛其實有很多委員提到說 |
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這個說他們砍了3700億中央部會的預算然後又地方的補助還不能少那什麼意思代表說你們中央接下來沒錢但你們還是要做事那地方拿了錢卻可以不做事這個理論我聽了是覺得非常荒謬啊其實大家知道編預算是先有事才有錢 |
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你要知道要做什麼你才來編預算啊怎麼會地方拿了這三成之後不知道要做什麼但是告訴你說中央的錢不能少你們要做的事情還是得繼續做有這種道理嗎那剛剛我聽到幾個更荒謬的啊他們非常敢做不敢當就是說你在地方上不准你講不准我們主委在地方告訴大家客委會的預算會減少 |
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這個財化法三讀通過不是已經是既定的事實嗎?全台灣人民也都一清二楚為什麼不准我們部會在地方張揚呢?什麼意思?這等於是說跟你喜結一空但是還不准你張揚,不准你呼救 |
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這完全是土匪的行徑我在這邊非常嚴厲的譴責那我也必須要拜託主委的是其實這些事情的討論就是到底要多少預算做多少事被砍了多少錢多少事情不能做這個都是應該在財化法討論的時候在委員會在院會就應該要清楚的討論而不是到現在先非常慌亂的這種強硬通過之後三讀了 |
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現在我們才在討論可能會影響什麼項目都太慢了都太遲了所以我要拜託主委的是客委會到底哪一些預算項目會明確的受到影響你們應該要清楚的告訴大眾而這些事權是不是應該跟地方政府趕快的來做討論告訴地方政府說這個錢回歸地方那事情也應該回歸地方啊 |
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所以我要拜託主委也是客會其實今天回應的還是不夠清楚到底哪一些項目受到影響其實我們到現在也都還不知道因為你們還在決定嘛是這個意思嘛告訴大家說對真的會減少三成但是哪一些項目被刪了被砍了你們不知道是這樣子嗎 |
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可不可以請主委回覆?我同意委員報告,就客家市增設案內的情況之下,28%為所要用的全部合理費的預算,包括資本門及金錢體的新的檢查案都會停下 |
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二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。三、繼續審查客家委員會及所屬部分。 |
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財政委員會提到強硬、支持強硬、貴賭契及家鄉部份的認輸及金費也會受到影響。因應合理費的預算及全部基金的預算,貴賭契及金費都會受到影響。 |
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好謝謝主委的說明剛剛說的這些項目也請拜託主委就是讓大家知道因為你們這些錢被砍了所以這些事情就是應該要回歸地方那不然這些計劃型的補助到底要怎麼來施做呢 |
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好那再來還有點時間我跟主委請教一下這個最近有收到很多這個客家統戰團的消息我想要問主委有沒有手上有沒有相關的資訊那你有沒有掌握這種交流團那就我手上知道的資訊包括說全國的臺聯主辦的2024年臺灣青年客家文化演習然後中國國台辦統戰部他們也有辦一個臺灣客籍子弟原鄉文化尋根之旅 |
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這些很明確都是他們的統戰單位邀請台灣的客家子弟來做以假文化交流之名行統戰之實的內容。我不知道主委這邊有沒有掌握有的話你們有什麼因應的措施? |
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我認為在一個平坦準確的年責之下,我們可以錄一段考慮,但是那是違反了年責,我想我們也沒有同意。在學費方面來說,目前不會去支持這樣的考慮的預算的補儲,所以目前我們先不做這樣的補儲。 |
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好這個要拜託我因為這個其實是陸委會主管的業務但是我也希望說既然他都是特別針對客家的子弟而且大家也知道說中國現在特別喜歡針對台灣年輕人的首來族就是讓你在不知情的情況下邀請台灣的年輕人去交流把你當成統戰的樣板這個都是現在新聞都已經揭露的非常清楚的事實所以我也希望說客人會這邊也要有所掌握並且跟陸委會合作來協助管控這樣的風險好嗎 |
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好,沒問題感謝王委員好,謝謝主委好,接下來請吳祈明委員好,主席我們與會同仁請我們客委會我們的股主委好,要請主委 |
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主委早上我看很多委員大家都關心的我們的財務法通過三讀通過那對我們未來我們客委會的預算的執行的情形應該會是會大大受影響那這邊因為我們現在大家都在注重的就是推廣我們客家的語言 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
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| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
11760.844 |
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5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至 |
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那未來我想請問一下主委未來會不會受影響 |
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客家市財發法行政院最后的廳辦會審國府費的遺申,不過比例的一度,度度小小會影響,目前我們擁有的三千人以來退估國府費,我會審的遺申在2028的情況之下影響,一定我會影響,我的影響當然是自己要判理的,要我影響要補儲提供政府的遺申。 |
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二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。三、繼續審查客家委員會及所屬部分。二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。 |
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午10時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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算是說東西說東西也是做了滿成功的還有我們那個童話本席因為我還是關心我們新北市這邊你過去所推動的我們還是要繼續的來推動我認為這是應該民眾最能接受的最能讓我們年輕人最能接觸我們的客家的 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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那是說我們的依存作為平時年內當然年內的顧慮我們都會做得好那是說有三個顧慮一定會變更小也會變更小也一定會受到影響當然我還希望作為一來一退一來一倒作為持續下去判 |
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好的,因為也要拜託我們趙偉,趙偉是客家人,又是新竹人,趙偉這你一定要幫忙客,客委會。好,謝謝。好,感謝。好,接下來請徐巧欣委員。謝謝主席,我們請谷主委。好,要請谷主委。 |
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主委好。您今天一直在講說在財化法通過之後我們客委會的預算會變少。可是我在上一次本席在這裡問你的時候,包含疫名記的補助來說全台灣就已經變少了。那個時候沒有財化法。跟委員報告全台灣的客家的法律一路引渡。 |
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國委院的是最重要的,我們召委也知道嘛,最重要的節日就是義民祭嘛。當時沒有財化法的情況之下,義民祭的全台灣補助包含台北市的補助都變少了。那時候我還說你為什麼不去幫忙爭取更多的預算,然後你只說你會努力。所以代表什麼? |
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代表在財劃法通過之前,我們客人會向中央爭取的補助就已經減少了,不是嗎?但為什麼議民際的預算會全國都減少? |
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所以按多個情況待下可以撫貼子眼就姑聽今天很多人也問到你在台中跟在苗栗不斷的去講說以後沒有辦法有能力照顧地方了但我想請問一下您所說的經費裡面來說的話有多少是中央核定的預算不是輔助型的預算 |
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全部都是計劃型預算?全部都是計劃型預算。那我問你齁,我來問你一下。我們在這個預算書裡面,在預算書裡面,所謂的客家議員發展進化的總經費有沒有編列?編列了多少錢?有,我拿一下預算書。議員發展有兩項,兩項項目,一個是31年,一個是11年。請問選了沒有? |
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目前很忙。那請問財政相關部門有要重編預算嗎?目前很忙。沒有的話為什麼你會認為預算會減少?因為財務法已經提出 |
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因為我問的是明年嘛 |
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明年呢你預算根本還沒審啊明年你預算書編在這裡你在還沒審的情況下你就告訴地方說中央接下來沒有能力照顧地方這是錯假訊息啊我再問你國家客家發展計劃客家地方發展計劃的統籌相關國家委員整體發展方案多少錢?目前編期一呢 |
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會影響嗎?明年會變少嗎?目前目前照案的詳細來講,客家是通過採訪法,採訪法,問的是明年度我們審查預算都還沒有出來的情況下,明年會變少嗎?你的預算書會改嗎?目前還沒要重新變預算的,那個,沒有改變嗎? |
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最後40秒我們看一下你們說沒有錢結果你們在做什麼登廣告啊我問一下客委會去登你這個廣告花了多少錢這一篇這一篇你花了多少錢上面寫是贊助哦你不要跟我說我沒有自己長眼睛看一下贊助兩個字是什麼意思 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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12195.247 |
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你呢為了要在財劃法之後到處的造謠跟抹黑製片我敢理應報告我敢理應報告他會喊那個我能去提訪通託電力inviti汪子國小幹然後你在汪子國小裡面講說你們沒有辦法再協助地方了然後你去做了一個你去做了一個臉書的天文就在講這件事情我問你贊助這一篇臉書的文章花了多少經費只要回答我這件事情就好了 |
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我只問這麼一天兩萬多塊錢用這個東西在造謠告訴地方說以後沒有辦法擺不住我剛剛已經為了明年度的預算根本還沒有審查根本還沒有審查預算也沒有要重編怎麼會影響到地方呢在這種情況之下你們花兩萬塊告訴全國的人民一個不對的事實拜託請客委會不要再做這樣的事情了謝謝 |
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謝謝徐小新委員的質詢謝謝我們谷主委接下來請徐欣盈委員質詢謝謝主席請谷主委請谷主委 |
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財政收支劃分法一通過之後你就在地方這樣發言 |
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二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。 |
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下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時至下午10時 |
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這個客委會的主委一定要是客家人他代表客家鄉親但是讓客家鄉親覺得主委你好像是行政院的發言人耶你好像是主記長耶你更像是民進黨黨團的發言人 |
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客家客家客委會的主委你應該看到這樣的情況第一個反應你應該是要替客家鄉親爭取更多的經費讓我們客家文化可以保存 |
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更不要講說今天那麼多委員在質詢很多你我等一下也會講你客家特別重要的經費你一直遞減然後非客家區你的錢一直增加這就是最大的問題所以財政收支劃分法通過 |
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行政院都還沒有給你們指示也都還沒有跟大家有共識也還沒有要你們去調整結果你的膝蓋就反應了你怎麼可以這樣客家人非常非常的反彈還有客家鄉親也對您非常非常的失望 |
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我希望您從今天開始你一定要改變你是客委會的主委你是幫客家鄉親爭取權益你是要保存客家文化的你不是民進黨的發言人你更不是行政院的發言人所以我還沒有請你講好不好所以我要請主委接下來 |
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不論如何我們要請你要持續的來爭取我們客家鄉親應該有的各種活動各種文化保存各種的經費那這個我想您應該也知道本來你客人會的經費比大部分的縣市都少但是你就是針對有些活動你在協助嘛還有有些客家相關的建設你這邊協助嘛好接著我要很快的趕快來講 |
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我們六都啊,六都裡面本席請教你,六都裡面客家人口占比最高的是哪一都?呃,占比,呃,新竹,新竹沒有沒有,六都啦,欸,六個直轄市啊,欸,桃園市,桃園市,桃園市客家人占比39.9,40%的客家人,那 |
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六都裡面客家人口最高的總數,不是比例,是總數最高的是哪一個?沒有啦,桃園還是最高,現在還有90萬,對,桃園還是90萬。第二高的就是你說的新北市,但是本席看到我們客委會歷年補助直轄市的經費統計, |
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都沒有按照客家人的比例在在給啊臺北市不是排第客家比例站第三名也也佔了17.4他的人口數總數也在這個六都裡面也是第四名結果你臺北市給的最少最少最少等一下還沒請你講結果高雄市台南市 |
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這個客家佔比就是六都裡面最後兩名結果你的經費給的特多特多不斷的多特別我覺得很好笑是台南台南市為什麼這個經費給這麼高所以本席要再次強調呼應我剛剛講的你是客委會主委 |
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本次會議時間為上午9時至本次會議時間為上午9時至 |
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12586.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
12590.895 |
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我們的政務副主委為什麼遲遲未上任?原因是什麼? |
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12607.765 |
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主委,我們客家人是不是人才濟濟?你認不認為客家人人才濟濟?所以找不到人啊?到這麼久都還沒有上任? |
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12639.97 |
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所以是怎麼樣?所以人事預算可以刪囉?因為你都沒有上任嘛?那是到底什麼原因?你就是只鎖定一個我們客家人既然人才濟濟為什麼你就是鎖定一個然後他沒有辦法放下他的工作?那你詢問的每一個,你問了幾個?幾個嘛,你問了幾個?那 |
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| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
12661.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
問了那麼多都沒有一個可以來就任他要不要我們推薦一下可以馬上就任優秀的客家人所以你看再來再來客委會我們的委員27人你有看一下你們的網站嗎網站現在放的是2020年的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
12677.111 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
5時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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12687.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
12710.873 |
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我剛剛才看我剛剛才上網看什麼原因為什麼現在客委會這27個都沒有沒有跟你是有更新網站沒更新還是你這27個人其實這個都是客家鄉親跟本席反映的為什麼我們客客家人才基金你副主委行政副主委找不到好政務副主委找不到然後呢我們客委會的委員 |
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足足一年不用聘任嗎?已經聘了。已經聘了。網頁沒有更新。網頁是沒有編金費?還是編太多都不用改?我們會更新。 |
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所以這個會議很多啊還有啊剛剛大家講的啊疫名祭的相關活動啊確實啊這個我們這個疫名祭是這麼重要的客家的活動竟然新北市的疫名祭你就從480萬給它降到100萬新竹縣的也從400萬降到200萬 |
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12762.283 |
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但是呢,屏東6堆春節季薄公生的活動315萬增加到362萬6堆的秋收季又從154萬提高到349萬所以主委 |
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| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
12778.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
12812.447 |
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下午9時至上午9時至下午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時 |
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正正全委員、正正全委員、正正全委員不在。楊瓊英委員、楊瓊英委員不在。高金樹梅委員、高金樹梅委員、高金樹梅委員不在。請一人職委員質詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
12849.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
12851.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
主委你知道我們板橋區多少客家人嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
12864.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
12883.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
12893.376 |
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12915.613 |
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但是沒有提出一個對都會客家一個比較完整的政策然後甚至於補助我認為都對我們雙北就是都會客家補助其實都不夠啦剛剛徐慶偉也有提到藝名祭本來110年的時候藝名祭是補助我們新北市400萬那113年剩100萬桐花祭110年的時候是補助250萬那現在是剩140萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
12924.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
12940.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
為什麼會這樣子啊就是說好像對於我們客家都會客家的部分補助越來越少在舉辦活動方面因為我們新北市移民祭是傳統各家非常大的活動我每年都有去那個在內活動裡面所有的客家社團一起參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
12941.681 |
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12956.053 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
然後各我們新北的各界的客家的一些前輩也都會來大家非常開心這是一個很大盛會結果感覺好像客會不是那麼支持啊現在的預算只剩下以前的四分之一這為什麼會這樣啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
12963.357 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
議員報告兩部份,一部份是因為合約費推薦案導引,一來導引了解客家文化、氣氛客家文化及參議客家文化。故所謂一來要討團體、團、法同、各體、各縣市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
12975.603 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
12982.873 |
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昨天的部署一定會停署,所以按照情況,因為我們的醫生很悠閒,所以分批下來也緊批很悠閒。沒有,主委不好意思,我不能接受這樣的說法。 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
12991.664 |
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13012.624 |
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因為你的講法是說因為太多人辦活動經費有限所以我就把這些旗艦型的活動把它減少沒有人是這樣子搞的啦工廠客家活動大的活動旗艦型活動都要維持嘛你寧可把餅分給大家隨便讓大家去弄反而不讓說有一個旗艦型的活動讓大家真正可以參與客家文化我非常不贊同你這樣做法第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
13014.085 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
13037.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
我們都會客家其實面對到客語的推廣更重要為什麼因為像傳統客庄他們有那個比較好的客語環境嘛但我們比如說以我們板橋來講他是都市比較都會區的大家分散在各個地方所以客語會在今年今年有一個預算500多萬給新北市是做客語家庭嘛為什麼明年沒有了還忙審查還忙審查會補助多少還忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
13042.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
13057.247 |
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審查我知道嘛但是審查你是要先提提你要變多少預算要幫他審查?你要變多少?先不提客家行業家庭的部分我會用力我會慶賓新北很用力我知道我現在說客人會不用力多少?因為我們行業家庭跟行業層間幾乎並窮下位所以他沒有另外一端套起來什麼並列? |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
13070.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
13085.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
下午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時至上午11時 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
13085.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
13099.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
明年變390萬至增加78萬但是我們今年113年的客與家庭計畫是564萬所以你把我們的564萬取消了增加78萬到客與深耕計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
13101.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
13112.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
你覺得那個比例會不會差太多?因為新北市不知道你把客語家庭計畫把它取消了嘛新北市客語家庭找了一千多個不是你沒有經費補助嘛多少嘛多少嘛你現在就講嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
13128.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
13130.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
三百九十幾萬,三百九十幾萬是克里申根計劃嘛! |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
13143.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
13161.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
你是主委,你的資料還沒有我詳細喔?你現在是客語生根計畫,我知道啊,390萬啊。但是今年本來就有312萬的客語生根計畫啊。所以實際上今年,明年只比今年多78萬嘛。可是今年有編一個客語家庭計畫。 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
13162.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
13163.541 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
五百六十四萬。 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
13175.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
13189.828 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
就少500多萬嘛我現在是拿數字跟你講嘛那500多萬去哪裡了我們的移民記憶也被減少了我們的童話記憶也被減少了我們今年的客語家庭計畫500多萬沒有了然後客語深耕計畫多78萬那個是深耕計畫我講的是客語家庭計畫不要給我在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
13205.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
13231.073 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
我講是客與家庭計劃客與家庭成立了一千多個很多家庭報名參加然後新北市政府也配套鼓勵他們多講母語然後讓他們參加活動然後弄了很多有關的配套方案結果忽然間客委會把這500多萬取消了然後再升任計劃多了78萬然後就說這個是客家家庭計劃然後主委講半天你就是沒有告訴我這多個500多萬為什麼新北市客家人 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
13231.693 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
13236.355 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
六十幾萬,不是客家人嗎?我跟委員報告齁,我從頭講,今年以前行業家庭跟尋經基金會那兩位基金會明年以後兩位合共合共同來申請基金會。我知道,對方申請就是390萬嘛,就是390萬嘛,不要再鬼打牆了,錢就是少很多,你現在是講說新北市政府沒有來申請是不是? |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
13258.883 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
13276.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
還沒有審查到其他計劃嗎?還是說其實實際上你們跟他們講說沒有那個母語計劃你們不知道他們不知道說客語家庭計劃並到生根計劃有確定?我得到的消息不是這樣喔那如果說今天你透過這樣的一個質詢過程你講說喔還有錢金美智可不可以繼續來申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
13285.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
13290.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
五百六十四加三百一十二是八百七十六萬。是八百七十六萬。那你現在只有三百九嘛。所以他還有五百多萬的空間可以申請是這樣嗎?你的意思是這樣嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
13311.113 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
13322.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
因為主委因為新北市政府的人現在不在這邊但是沒關係就我跟你的對答你的講法是說是他們沒有來申請所以給的這麼少嘛但是我得到消息不是這樣我得到消息是說客委會你把那個計畫取消那沒有關係啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
13336.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
13355.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
那你已經承諾了嘛今天只要新北市政府認為有需要比如說客與家庭他還可以來申請嗎是不是這個意思嗎有需求就可以申請嘛那今年跟明年比其實是客委會目前是少補助500多萬嘛所以他還有很大空間可以申請嗎這主委你直接承諾就可以了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
13355.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
13376.808 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
因為我來自於地方我們要幫地方爭取預算你如果願意承諾我我覺得就OK啦就沒什麼要跟你吵的啊是不是沒有錯沒有錯我們會跟新北市講說對跟新北市講說可能你們你們中央地方政府溝通之間有問題啦應該是有問題啦應該是應該是有問題啦應該是有問題啦因為我得到的消息不是這樣不過沒有關係我們不用去吵這些我們把事情做好就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
13384.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
13410.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
那基本上你願意再多給我們五百多萬我覺得謝謝你啊我代替我們新北市的對就這個地方如果願意申請你願意給嗎就是這樣子嘛然後另外就是藝名祭跟童話祭啦我希望說你可以維持我們旗艦行的活動啊四百萬的活動你只補助一百萬這是最大的活動這個是讓客家文化大家一起在一起嘉年華式的活動結果你只給一百萬好像很看不起這個活動我非常不能接受啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
13411.948 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
13432.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
我根本不能接受啦你可能坐在冷氣房裡面啦不了解地方啦所以就隨便給100萬100萬給你們你們能辦就能辦不能辦就算了但是這個對我們來說很重要希望你改變你的思維這是旗艦行活動每一個機關每一個縣政府都有一個大型的活動地方的節慶那以客家來講在我們新北市就是藝名節 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
13434.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
13453.947 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
他的重要性不是像你講的啦,我們錢就這樣隨便給一給,我覺得我不太能接受這樣的講法。每個地方,每個地方,由他的接近的法律,或是針對接近法律,投射的位分都投一些的啦。多少給一?以前是400萬嘛,你上任之後就剩100萬嘛。你跟其他的主委都不一樣啦。 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
13455.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
13455.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
前4百萬現在1百萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
13468.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
13494.904 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
就是在主委的任內啦,把我們砍到剩這麼少啦。你砍到成這樣,我們新北市被你這樣子欺負,實在是我覺得很誇張啦,謝謝。也沒有啦,因為在新北市發動的全體委員,一來一到,但是可以看到我們在家庭、泥沿、鳳眠,貴重事,所以一來一到。反正結果就是這樣嘛,你就聽不進別人講的嘛,謝謝。 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
13501.668 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
13510.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
好,謝謝葉元芝委員。我們登記發言的委員除不在場者,其餘均已發言完畢,詢答結束。 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
13513.055 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
13522.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
未及答覆部分,請相關單位於一周內以書面答覆並複製本會。我們現在休息用餐50分鐘。我們下午1點05分繼續開會。 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
14441.388 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
14441.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
午10時至9時。 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
14499.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
15241.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
15241.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
午10時至9時。 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
16198.729 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
16200.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
下午10時至上午10時至下午10時至上午10時至上午10時至下午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
17079.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
17104.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
好我們繼續開會現在開始審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分及財團法人客家公共傳播基金會114年預算書案請宣讀預算書及委員提案宣讀完畢後再進行協商請宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
114年度客家委員會及所屬稅務預算。第二款罰款及賠償收入第14項客家委員會及所屬50萬元。第三款歸備收入第9項客家委員會及所屬580萬元。第一幕行政歸備收入350萬元。第二幕使用歸備收入230萬元。第四款財產收入第15項客家委員會及所屬1300萬元。 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
17132.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
17146.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
第7款其他收入第15項客家委員會及所屬804萬元。第一幕雜項收入804萬元。第一節收回以前年度稅出50萬元。第二節其他雜項收入754萬元。 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
17151.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
17158.002 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
稅出部分第二款行政院主管第10項客家委員會及所屬4370364000元第一幕一般行政270345000元第二幕綜合規劃發展137118000元第三幕客家文化產業發展1203618000元 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
17172.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
17181.445 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
四、客家語言發展7億3751萬8千元。五、藝文傳播推展16億1286萬7千元。六、客家文化發展中心規劃與營運4億6876萬1千元。七、一般建築及設備113萬7千元。八、第一預備金200萬元。 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
17196.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
17210.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
客家委員會主管財團法人客家公共傳播基金會114年度預算一、工作計劃部分因依據收入與支出審查結果隨同調整。二、總收入支出及預出部分收入2億2730萬元支出2億3641萬3千元本期短處911萬3千元。繼續宣讀提案 |
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17221.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
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客家委員會及所屬稅入部分第三款歸備收入一案第四款財產收入提案一案稅出部分第十項客家委員會及所屬為第三到第四案共計兩案第一幕一般行政為第五至第七案共計三案 |
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二、綜合規劃發展第8至第17案共計10案。三、客家文化產業發展第18至第27案共計10案。四、客家語言發展第28至第41案共計14案。五、英文傳播推展第42至第59案共計18案。 |
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第六目,客家文化發展中心規劃與營運為60至67案共計8案。第七目,第一班建築及設備為1案。主決議部分為69到第79案共計11案。提案內容請委員參閱。 |
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財團法人客家公共傳播基金會預算委員提案會整表。收入部分委員會相關提案。支出部分業務支出為第一至第四案共計四案。業務外支出第五案共計一案。提案內容請委員參閱。宣讀完畢。好,我們現在進行協商。 |
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我想在我們開始進行協商那這個行政單位好像比較沒有時間跟我們委員好像針對提案做有溝通過了嗎好像還沒好好沒關係那本期在這裡也站在是客家客家人所以我也希望所有委員多支持客家的預算多協助客家的預算那比較 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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就您的提案如果你覺得說我們這個行政單位的說明你OK那你就直接表達比如說照主決意或者是直接測案都可以但是需要行政單位說明跟溝通的我們也請這個行政單位務必好好的說明跟溝通 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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17401.569 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
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第二輪的時候大概也還會檢列我更多所以我第7案第8案我也維持其他其他我請行政單位給我好的主決意我全部保留只要你主決意OK我所謂保留是我保留上去你主決意OK我全部就會照你們的我的12案我都講完了好不好你有聽懂 |
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第一案第二案然後我是45跟49對45跟49案我維持其他請行政單位還有第62這三案維持 |
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對其他我們就看行政單位你只要給我的主決意寫的OK我全部我支持我們客家客家的所有預算好OK那接下來我們是不是請在座的委員可以來表達跟發言那我們請行政單位務必嚴正以待請黃婕委員如果你覺得你的OK你就全部寫我的我就講完了 |
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實施辦法這件事情因為其實之前在那個客家語言升職計畫裡面就有一直提到說要讓在地的客家人口比例通過認證的 |
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上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時 |
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那沒有沒有公家或是沒有一些額外的讓他就是鼓勵他們的措施導致說願意去考可以認證的公務員的比例一直拉不上來是不是有這樣的情況如果有的話我覺得這個真的是要趕快協助他們然後讓他們有更多的誘因像是說給他們一些獎勵啊或者是讓他們至少說至少不用擔心要請假這件事情 |
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好那等一下有沒有要行政單位回應好好那行政單位要回應的到這邊來來請說明應該這樣那個因為黃姐委員只談一案有沒有相關的有要也要一併就是一樣的然後一併問的他們可以一併回答沒有沒有那請你回答是一樣的嗎好那請王美惠委員 |
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主委,在這,我現在要解釋,審判另外,我認為這次是怎麼用那麼多人可以去客家,因為你的誘因都沒有出來,因為年輕人也認為,跟我客家有什麼幫助,有什麼獎勵嗎?也是完全沒到位,所以說你看客家的人,過去的人的年紀, |
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好 那請回答 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11 |
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下午10時至上午10時至下午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至 |
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17895.898 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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高雄平台發表都已經納進去了這個超額比序的小分項目希望是用這樣的一個方式補充一下你剛才說40個小孩可以到校啦比如說我家裡是那個家道副校本來他們就有個家人他們一般怎麼學怎麼學就不可能40個 |
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是不是那個標準可以低一點?因為他怎麼搞到他就不可能40個有嘛。是不是他那班老公跟他們幾班個有了後,要靠的時間,你們可以有這個合遇。這是重要啦。不然你怎麼去找,怎麼可能一班40個。所以你們這個研議一下好不好。好,議長。 |
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你們聊學校有很多什麼課與認證的老師或什麼的你們要跟教育部去配合要課與認證的老師就可以在學校直接就去辦這個認證這個不就很簡單的事情嗎為什麼你們還要再拎我 |
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來蘇巧慧委員 |
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這個齁雖然主席說要讓我們可以快問快答的方式不過因為一答了之後齁就開始大家就不然我本來也是在說相關的這個考試語言的這一案啊我本來想說啊那就有回應了就不用特別說了不過聽完回答以後我也想要說兩句啊說一下說一下對 |
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我想這不外乎是大家為了要讓客語文化可以保存嘛那就兩種一個是增加誘因嘛講這個話能夠有實際坦白講比較那個公益上公立上的這樣的目的一個是這個另外一個就是增加興趣 |
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所以增加興趣跟增加誘因是為二的方式因為年輕人坦白講不會一開始的時候不可能會有什麼文化跟歷史的包袱你沒有先給他有文化和歷史的認識他將來就不可能因為是因為這個東西回去傳 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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二、如何增加興趣?增加興趣的話其實最簡單的一種方式就是跟流行文化產生關聯性啦也只有這個是最夯的你看大家就是要嘛就去學韓語學泰語對不對然後我們部落這邊有號稱學美語阿美語啦所以我們也都是講美語的啊 |
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所以就是你讓那個歌手紅了歌星紅了偶像紅了自然而然就帶動每個人都會講兩句話所以客委會有沒有跟金曲獎的或者是其他有rap的或者是這個 |
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這一些的相關的流行文化產業的人有辦法能夠連結去校園去青年學子我其實一直想看的是類似這樣子的計畫嘛那我覺得這可能跟客台啊跟其他的是有相關聯繫有聯動的部分所以我的建議是就這兩個部分你們到底做了什麼成效多少請具體回答請回答 |
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剛張委員所提出來的我們後續會跟教育部會跟他們提出來用這樣的一個方式那蘇委員所提出的列入照的筆序之後這邊比較明顯就是近年列進去的包括臺南屏東這個報考人數是有很明顯的一個增長那至於說流行文化的部分因為這是我們另外一個處的業務是不是請另外一處針對這個部分說明謝謝 |
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那個既然有明顯的趨勢的話麻煩那個資料可不可以送我們辦公室謝謝你謝謝麻煩你們說明的時候說一下是什麼單位然後哪一位謝謝 |
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客家委員會議文傳播處感謝不是客家委員會你們都是客家委員會是說你那個第二你的一級單位喔好議文傳播處亮美玲在這裡剛剛舒喬委員關心到利用流行的這個趨勢流行文化來結合推廣客家語言 |
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目前在客家委員會透過流行音樂走入校園我們每一年進入到校園裡面中小學包含高中大學來進行透過音樂融入在教學教育的現場裡面讓大家透過音樂來接觸客語這是一個部分另外我們也透過演唱會也包括結合了重要的這個大型的音樂節包含大崗 |
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11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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18279.873 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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18303.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
18316.96 |
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上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時 |
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好欸那等一下等一下剛好你講了我我我剛好想到齁我記得好像你們有有有預算給客家歌手然後他可以到小學對不對去跟就在禮堂跟小朋友這樣唱各家客家歌嗎我記得那時候好像他們要找學校的時候你們還設定一定要什麼樣的客家小學其實你既然要推廣那個那個地方 |
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假設同樣在一個鄉鎮那有些學校他沒有場地但另一個有你不是你推廣是針對好像限制太多了你那樣不普及啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
謝謝主席的關心當然客家歌手到校園去我們其實沒有太嚴格的限制我們當然鼓勵他能夠深入到客家莊去因為孩子能夠接觸客家流行歌手機會也才會有這個機會第一類接觸包含學習音樂聽客家歌同時可能激發他們在藝術的學養跟素養 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11 |
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18416.926 |
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18417.266 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
18441.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
18443.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
18464.357 |
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應該是吧?對啊。對對對。第一案、第二案嘛。所以沒有意見就麻煩就照我的通過啦。那接著稅出部分第十項。不用說明。不用說明。你說貿易第三款、第四款。對啊。 |
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18488.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
18492.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
18520.161 |
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18543.833 |
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對針列220對針列220來接著我們進入第10項客家委員會所屬的只有兩岸來來建兵委員謝謝主席主席這邊本席在第10項提出兩個那個一個就是針對我們那個客會的那個 |
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18545.302 |
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18567.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
在第三個案就是在媒體宣傳這部分那其實我們有我記得在上回期有比較過客戶會跟園民會兩個委員會在做這個宣導上確實客戶會在做影片都比較精緻那也很用心不過他的數據還是不夠我覺得他數據不夠是要請我們我們要請這個那個客戶要檢討一下未來是不是要滾動式去檢討說你怎樣讓你的宣傳效果能夠達到那 |
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18574.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
18575.407 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
18593.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
18611.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
要減掉預算31萬9千元這兩個部分因為剛好主席特別在開始的時候說我們希望能夠來支持客委會那臺東其實客家族群也佔了五分之一那我就配合主席的意見我這邊沒有太多堅持按照主席的意識以上就先 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
18612.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
18614.113 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
18642.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
18649.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
禮拜五我們才收到啦那我有請同事要去跟委員們說明啦那書面出來以後有給辦公室但是禮拜六禮拜天就沒有沒有上班啊那所以所以這個部分 |
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18668.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
18690.166 |
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我請同仁現在跟我講我徵求各位委員因為這一個確實啦我們那個那時候本來這個是排禮拜四結果後來陰錯陽差我們排禮拜一嘛我們是不是現在先開放時間你們全案跟全部的委員先溝通溝通完我們尊重委員他們最後的決議這樣好不好 |
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18701.298 |
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我先開放時間啦我要徵求在座的委員可不可以欸你們先等一下啦我徵求一下也要委員點頭啊可以嗎你們有沒有不同意見還是怎麼樣 |
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18707.286 |
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18733.38 |
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欸你們等一下啦我先詢問一下我們這邊委員都OK我們先溝通一段時間再開始給委員發言你們覺得這樣會比較好好不好這樣然後就你們就有些案要堅持還是要主決議要撤至少還有一點時間等一下我還是尊重一下我要所有委員OK我們才進行我想請問一下丁委員可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
18735.066 |
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18736.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
我現在來講吧 |
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18769.222 |
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18774.729 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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18789.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
18792.488 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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18807.853 |
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18811.355 |
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我一幕就提一個案啊一幕一幕一幕 |
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| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
18840.728 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
18878.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
18883.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
18895.801 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
18895.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
第10項 |
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| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
18947.215 |
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18967.074 |
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第10項就是第3案第4案改組決議那我們黃建斌委員說一定要專案報告是不是是書面還是好書面報告組決議書面報告好第3案第4案就這樣那我們接著來進行第一幕來第一幕 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
18968.047 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
18994.36 |
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有那個要發言的委員好那我們請張志龍委員接著徐宇貞委員好謝謝主席齁那我針對這個第一幕提出第五案喔我不要就快速啦因為今天大家時間寶貴我想要請教一般行政部分文書客服管理檔案喔為什麼會委外340萬那這些東西應該不需要委外那另外有些資訊服務費跟軟硬體支出防火牆這些有重複編列喔所以我提出簡列500萬齁請行政單位趕快解釋齁謝謝 |
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18998.772 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
19012.863 |
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來請徐宇貞委員等一下你們一併回答我提出的是第7案針對這個這次的客家委員會的一般行政的政府特別首長費就四萬五千元主要是因為在之前 |
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19038.053 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
客家委員會主委針對財政收支劃分法修正之後與公開的活動跟媒體前頻頻發表不當的言論影響民眾的情緒也造成民眾的誤解。會釐清並避免誤解擴大,所以先凍結該預算等客家委員會及所屬在一個月內向本月內政委員會提出專案報告並經同意後時的動之。 |
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19068.112 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
好那這樣只有張志倫委員的要說明請請說明就只針對張志倫委員的說明請好我我是客會秘書室的雷耀龍主任那針對張張委員的這種提案那有關於這個這個文書客服及檔案管理的這個委外事務因為這個因為本會的編制時代很小 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
19068.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
19088.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
我們文書科跟事務科律書室總共只有9位編制內的同仁那我們的文書檔案是每年不斷在增加不斷當然預算增加人員增加了業務也又增加了文書檔案自然也就增加了那以現有的人力很難去負荷這麼大的一些數目性的工作而且還要辦一些客服接電話的服務這客服的服務我們有聘請專門的客語的人員來做電話的服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
19096.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
19118.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
至於大堆事實上這些事物它並非本會的核心業務而且我們人事行政總局每年都很希望說對於各業務它非核心的業務它盡量希望能夠委外去辦理而不要去增加編制內的人員那基於這種種的考量所以我們才會在幾年前我們把這個相關的業務把它委外去處理 |
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19119.238 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
19147.768 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
那因為因應著明年的基本工資會調高嘛那還有軍公教人員也調薪所以相對的我們對這種委外人員的這種他薪資的結構我們也相應提高所以在這個部分我們我們114年叫113年增加了13萬元所以這個部分這個部分也是因為業務業務上的需要需要處理這麼龐大的業務都都都屬於事務性的工作他並非本會的核心業務的工作 |
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19149.056 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
19159.058 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
那所以說相應的會調整他的薪資結構然後把它調稍微增加13萬這個是有關於文書客服的部分那另外資訊的部分 |
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19162.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
19178.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
委員你好我是中華國務大處的陳瑞榮處長那委員所垂詢的在一般行政費用資訊服務費跟資訊軟硬體的費用有重複那我在這邊跟委員做一下報告資訊服務費其實是業務費我們大概編列1900萬 |
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19180.393 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
19207.344 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
主要是針對包含我們配合行政院的整個資安雲端資料中心的主機我們要去租賃他另外現在速發部對於資安要求的很嚴格所以這個部分我們其實經費並沒有增加另外有一個500萬的部分就是資訊設備費那個是屬於設備費就全會的同仁他可能明年度有一些個人的電腦、主機、印表機或者個人的伺服器到期 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
19207.944 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
19225.334 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
所以這個是一定要汰換否則會影響到這個我們的公務同仁在服務民眾的一些公務的品質所以這個部分兩個的使用的用途方向跟編列的這個內容其實是完全不一樣的以上說這樣的說明謝謝委員好那這樣說明 |
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19232.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
19247.886 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
現在第一幕剛好刪案那因為那個徐宜臻委員這邊就凍結了那請未來報告之後再解凍那志倫委員是維持還是您最後做個決議決定 |
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19249.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
19252.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
19274.068 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
19286.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
接電話的人還要委外是發生什麼事情那第二個我剛還是有看到預算書裡面有防火牆這三個字有重複編列不過我可以簡略少一點大家可以討論一下謝謝你直接講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
19287.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
19292.205 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
114年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
19305.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
19307.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
午9時至午9時至午9時至午9時至午9時至午9時至午9時至 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
19330.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
19335.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
主委趕快找徐委員再溝通一下好不好現在凍結50%我們再努力一下好不好謝謝 |
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19361.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
19366.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
19370.173 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
19393.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
就是那個剪裂100那個剪裂100真的影響太大因為現在治安真的太重要了所以我們在這個1900萬剪裂100的話那設備費是大家同仁都一定要用的電腦這些如果主機已經壞掉等等我們沒辦法太萬真的會影響公務的推行是不是可以都都 |
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19393.763 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
19419.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
多達的建議就是說是不是用凍結一百萬讓我們提出書面的報告?他剛剛說我們接電話的要委外的原因是什麼?這個說明一下那個因為是名稱叫客服嘛當然就是我們是把它放在我們的服務櫃台我們的窗口那邊所以它不單只是接聽電話它同時也包括直接第一線的在櫃台的為民服務 |
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19421.056 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
19438.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
有任何異常資訊﹖ 重點不是說明這個,他是說一定要委外,我們自己沒有人是不是﹖ 剛剛張委員的意思啊﹖ 因為其他同仁都有辦起一些,就是這些比較屬於對外服務的,需要門面櫃台的,需要有人接待訪客的 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
19439.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
19440.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
5時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
19469.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
19493.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
那張委員您看檢列100還是什麼?好,我是因為支持我們張委學習委員所以改動100好不好?我們都很支持客家,動100就是把這個未來真的要多請一些這個公務人員是會講客語的啦,不要說其實他們會講客語,只不過說我們會特別會要求會民服務要客的好啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
19494.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
19498.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
19526.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
19541.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
我們新北的要多支持新北的客會會的預算書面報告經同意書面但是要經同意好不好那我們特別費的最後結論怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
19560.346 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
19562.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
本次會議時間為上午9時至本次會議時間為上午9時至 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
19580.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
19609.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
第二案不予處理。第二案不予處理。那我們接著我們進入第二幕第二幕第二幕有要表達的請王美惠委員主席,第一,在我們這次選舉的時候我有說過不公正負責客家委員會裡面我認為他們要去改善因為要進行不定期的檢查啦跟你們的整個委員會裡面你們要掌握什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
19610.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
19635.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
尤其在第12屆要多協助啦我雖然不是客家人可是我做支持客家人客家人是一個在我們台灣核心的族群他又謙虚又固執又如果族群社區都處理得很好所以說你看他們的醫生都很謙虚的幾位 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
19643.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
19666.945 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
所以王美惠委員的這個博工招呼站是誰?不是要你回答你要在那邊等於是接受我們王委員的指導然後再來就是我們嘉義市這裡要多支持好不好?客委會接下來我們請張志倫委員接下來徐宇貞委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
19670.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
19687.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
好謝謝主席喔那我提的是這個第二幕的第九案喔當我執行的時候也特別跟請那個谷主委說明齁就是我還是針對這個我們客委會每年都會有一個每三年四年都有一個國家客家發展計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
19688.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
19710.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
這個真的之前上次的計畫是110年6月合定從110年到112年所以113年整個空白那剛有問過主委說現在最新的國家客家發展計畫是114年度才正式開始所以113年度整個就是國家的客家發展計畫整個是空白 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
19711.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
19716.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
19730.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
19739.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
還沒有國家開展計畫還沒有公布實行之前我會先凍結這個該預算只有凍結1542萬8千元希望說這個計畫出來了以後讓用全臺灣用所有客家人了解到底凍結凍結凍結到底是什麼樣的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
19750.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
19771.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
不然沒有計畫的話已經延了一整年了再沒有出來的話我相信很多人都不能接受那我也請這個客委員會是不是在一個月內向內政委員會提出書面報告跟新一期的國家客家發展計畫提供給我們所有內政委員會的委員並經同意後始的動之以上謝謝你動多少1542萬8千就堅持是不是就維持這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].start |
19777.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
19804.251 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
我想這個應該是我們因為這個東西沒有跟我們內政委員會所有委員報告我覺得是對我們來說內政委員會的委員不尊重啊因為113年整個空白了那114年的之前111年的事6月份就要公告現在113年沒有公告沒有計劃還要等到114年才有所以如果這個東西沒有出來的話沒有計劃的一個國家客家發展我不知道是什麼是國家客家發展謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
19805.964 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
19832.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
好那剛好喔剛好我們第8案到第13案喔第8案到第13案就是這整個喔是一樣的所以你們好好說明喔那那本本席這裡因為我我我這邊我剛已經這個部分我不堅持我們就按章志倫委員等一下喔所以你們先好好說明好不好那那因為因為沒有沒有你是同一個案嗎李博義委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
19834.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
19854.313 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
我們現在因為剛好志倫問到到第13嘛對8到13所以是8到13剛好這一整個而且這經費一億多就乾脆整體你報告完我們最後到13這邊做一個結論然後接著後面的再給你們說明同一幕同一幕同一幕同一幕 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].start |
19861.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
19867.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
對你有啊你有你有只是你很少了10萬人家1000多你請說不是不是啦吼我是覺得吼這個吼不是說吼不支持你們只是吼我覺得吼這一個吼你們吼 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
19880.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
19881.546 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
來請說明好嗎行政單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
19906.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
19933.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
是,剛剛委員所垂詢的部分確實在客家基本法有規定每4年要嚴定國家客家發展計畫但今年比較是最特別的就是說113年的5月20號新政府上任之後那我們在上一個計畫是在去年的年底到期但原則上應該是從今年的開始在起期不過現在碰到一個問題就是行政院同步在 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
19934.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
19958.739 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
指導全國的行政機關有研定一個國家發展計畫他是4年期114年到117年所以當時在我們內部研議的時候才為了整個行政一體的統一我們參考了行政院在8月15號抱怨核定的國家發展計畫的整個綱要的架構然後再納入賴總統的六支箭以及國家希望工程的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
19959.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
19985.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
然後在9月份我們會請各部位表示意見之後10、11月完成人內部的草案修正在12月目前已經報院來審議中所以這個部分是不是懇請大院因為我們確實有積極在進行那我們也必須要基於這個新政府上任的時候有一些新的客家措施跟新的公佈的政見在年期的部分因為是4年所以我們把它跟行政院整個這個國家發展計畫是一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
19988.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
20016.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
所以這個部分目前計畫都已經出來那至於剛剛張委員所提示需要能夠看到全貌跟說明的部分我想客會這邊可以全力來配合這個是沒有問題的以上可以全力來配合什麼就是提書面報告提書面一個月提書面報告跟提出整個國家計畫發展的這個向內委會的部分提出整個我們的計畫內容以上哦好那張委員就這樣囉好動 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
20018.938 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
20047.234 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
最後決議對他說他可以在一個月內提出書面報告好那最後動動多少我們就一到八到十十三八到十三案總共就動一張委員說的你剛剛你請說你要我們是要八到十三還是我們等一下整幕來處理啦就比較快好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
20048.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
20073.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
沒有啦。我們現在就是每個委員我們都尊重嘛。那只是因為8到13剛好就只有張委員。對啊,最大比張委員啦。其實我也很大比,但我就支持我們客委會啦。所以就看張志倫了。然後等一下我馬上你們14到17可以給你們說啦。那志倫委員怎麼樣?對,你動多少? |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
20079.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
20080.685 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
8到13就用一個啊接下來講接下來講接下來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
20109.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
20134.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
沒有啦我們現在就一個一個就往下了好不好沒啦好來接下來越不一樣的8到13並按處理是不是8到13最後我們只就是以張志倫委員而且他就寫1500就寫1500就好其他其他都不予處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
20136.787 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
20137.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
建議只要一千就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
20162.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
20187.073 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
14、15、16、17 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
20188.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
20201.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
十六、十七剛好委員不在所以十四、十五、十六、十七剛好不在喔那你要講嗎?不然就過去囉第十七案我是有連署我是針對這個博工造戶的這一筆經費那希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
20207.003 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
20221.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
客家委員會這邊可以跟衛福部這邊做比較密切的聯繫因為我在地方推動這個長照西據點其實以高雄市為例長照西據點一開始推案量非常多接下來就是管理的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
20222.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
20239.553 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
那我想客委會這邊一樣有碰到這個問題齁那其實我們希望把量做大但我們希望還是鼓勵展備出門而不是去管理說這個站有幾個展備出來把這個特色做出來才是我希望可以鼓勵客委會的所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
20239.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
20266.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
在這個第17案以及我在之後的73案的這個主決議那希望客委會可以把這個博工照護站的這個計畫跟衛福部好好的來做聯繫把特色做出來那這一筆預算那就給予支持那也希望剛剛主席雖然是才是到13案那我們也希望到17案齁就維持那個1000萬的凍結就好了14到17就不要再凍了謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
20273.493 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
20297.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
凍結1500到13張委員是說1500對好那14到17那本席剛剛已經有宣稱我不堅持的都是保留保留就是給你們寫主決意來只要主決意來那個保留的就會就會支持你們但是這所以我保留我並不是撤我就是保留然後等你們的主決意來 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
20299.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
20302.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
20322.878 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
20344.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
他支持所以不處理,我說就不用處理。對,對,對,不要變嘛,就不處理。對,不處理,好好好。好,那就這樣,好。那我們進入第三幕,第三幕。18到27,來,現在有沒有委員,好,來,那張志文委員然後接著徐宇貞委員。 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
20346.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
20364.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
好謝謝主席吼那我們現在討論到第三幕吼我有提出第24案吼就有關於第三幕客家文化發展客家文化產業發展的部分吼我們一幕邊的這個12億的經費吼那裡面其中有這個辦理客庄特色產業及國際觀光行銷推展事業邊的6100萬吼較去年5300萬增加了751萬左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
20370.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
20371.679 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
20393.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
20410.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
如果是同樣的浪漫台三線站的活動其實對國際觀光沒有太大的增幅那剛剛你們有過來溝通說你們等一下可以再解釋一下你們還要增加哪一個站那以及針對國際觀光旅客是否可以未來增加有提出目標如果可以的話我就願意改成主決議以上謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
20412.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
20425.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
好那接著請徐議長委員謝謝主席本席在這一幕提出的是第20案跟第26案那第20案的部分主要是針對這個客庄創生及環境營造計畫這個部分因為其實我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
20430.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
20446.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
了解就是客委會補助地方的辦理客庄創生跟環境營造計畫的相關工程到113年12月25號為止還有7項的工程沒有完工那各位可以看一下這個計畫的時程其實大部分都應該要在 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
20448.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
20450.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
114年度的補助預算甚至不減反增還增加了25.23%那如果在 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
20469.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
20486.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
這個部分的話我覺得看起來是目前這針對這些工程都有我覺得客委會都應該有這個督導不周的狀況那也請客會說明為什麼管考不立那尤其是又單位應該自己追蹤並督促地方政府要求廠商加速辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
20486.849 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
20490.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
20504.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
20530.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
國外的旅費因為這個部分是指說我們要在英國這個考察社區推動模式與發展計畫那針對這個部分我是覺得就是說英國的社區考察的經濟發展模式要怎麼樣能夠導入客庄社區的經濟發展那目前我看不出來兩個的關聯性那是不是能夠說明一下以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
20535.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
20562.729 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
還有沒有委員針對我們第三目18到27案?其實只剩趙偉跟我而已啊。那你來。我看你呢。我的我已經講過我的就是保留他只要主決一來我我這樣我保留送協商但是你主決一來在協商的時候我就就不處理。保留送協商沒關係送協商的時候第一個我如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
20563.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
20589.694 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
下午9時至上午9時至上午9時至下午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
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我先從最後面來說明一下就是有關我們出國經費的這個部分因為那個社區營造的部分事實上全世界最先這個開始社區營造的國家就是英國事實上後來才是日本去英國學習然後我們來 |
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去跟日本學習的那因為日本就是英國就是整個社區營造一直到創生發展的最先驅的一個國家那事實上我們從社區總體營造一直到現在目前整個創生社區創生的這樣子的一個過程裡面那事實上現在社區碰到的問題事實上是整個經濟要怎麼樣留在社區就是不要讓社區的發展 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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做這個城市農場的一個社區去做一個觀摩之後希望將來在客庄的發展上面我們也能夠把這種經驗帶回到我們的這個客庄裡面把這種比較先進還有比較有創意的一個這個創生的一個發展能夠將來能夠引到我們的客庄裡面把將來在政府的資源投出的時候也能夠把這個經濟留在我們的客庄的一個社區裡面 |
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這次有關這個出國計劃的一個部分那另外在徐委員垂詢到就是有關工程那個部分那事實上因為我們這個當那時候統計當然早上主委有說過就是說因為事實上工程的進度都是由地方政府來報過來的那我們就依照他們的進度來做列管那目前 |
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這些提案裡面會跨到明年的部分現在只有新竹市的香山新竹市的香山他因為建造的關係所以他必須要到明年的4月他才能夠完工那其他的案子的話目前他在12月底以前他們都會來跟我們報結案像屏東的那個什麼啊林洛商工所不是說還在招標作業中嗎 |
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20805.432 |
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那個我們會測案林若相公所就109林若相公所那個他們他們有有那是只有設計他們設計案今年會完成沒有問題因為他不是全部都有工程110年嘛對不對 |
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對所以我的意思就是說這個部分的話大概看起來很多工程都有延宕而且像事實上目前的看起來就是說有些計劃應該不知道是因為督導不周還是怎麼樣狀況所以我覺得應該是針對這個部分我是建議還是要凍結26項我同意改組決議 |
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議員會議員會議員會議員會議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
本次會議時間為上午9時至本次會議時間為上午9時至 |
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20870.796 |
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委員報告,事實上這個我們執行那麼多年以來的經驗,那這個部分省紀部也有跟我們提醒過,所以我們這個部分在管控的部分,我們現在是對地方政府的管控從他們的提案一直到這個設計規劃一直到工程的執行,甚至到營運管理,我們現在事實上在研考的部分,我們都每一個關卡事實上都有比較 |
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20923.978 |
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延期的一個管控這個問題是不能說完全不會發生因為有些地方政府他還是會因為他們部分特別的因素會產生但是大部分現在我們大概整個工程的進度針對他提案之後兩三年的進度我們大概都還能夠算能夠比較精準的一個掌握所以這個部分我們請委員放心如果能夠讓我們提書面說明的話再做一個解凍的話 |
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是不是可以用這樣子的一個方式來做一個處理?好,請問徐委員怎麼樣?他剛剛有詢問是不是是書面還是專案?那個26是已經主決議了嗎?對,他主決了。 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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20959.122 |
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20961.804 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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20978.411 |
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20992.112 |
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自行車賽一直以來我們都是在辦在浪漫台山線當然浪漫台山線這個路線現在已經變成這個自由車國際賽裡面很重要的一條路線那我們因為 |
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20995.336 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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21011.834 |
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| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
二十四案改組決議是不是? |
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| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
2、3、2、3跟2、7不一處的那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個那個 |
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9時至9時至9時至9時至9時至9時至9時至9時至9時至9時至9時至9時 |
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21108.389 |
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二十九二十二十二三好那現在宣告一下好了請專委宣告一下第三目部分第十八案不予處理第十九二十二三 |
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跟二期併案凍結10%出名包合金同意後死者凍資。然後第21案保留。對。第22案改組決議。第24案改組決議。第26案改組決議。25萬有沒有那個?25萬不予處理。對。25萬不予處理。好。OK。那我們現在進入第4幕。第4幕。 |
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是從28到41案請各位委員請丁薛忠委員 |
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第4目我是針對35案是針對客家委員生殖計劃這個是希望推動客家委員普及從小學從小學習課以後執行4年來已經給你20幾億但參加的幼兒園數量跟血統成長數都很有限這些小朋友通過 |
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客委會自己幹的認證比例也很低所以提案凍結一千萬希望能提出改建專案高告讓客宇推動人家更有效。 |
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來請徐宇貞委員然後接著張志倫委員接著蘇巧慧委員謝謝主席本席在這一幕當中提出的是第39案也是有關國外旅費的部分這邊是指在客家語言發展的部分希望今年要編列42萬到芬蘭去考察 |
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雙語教育及少數語言保存計劃。雙語教育及少數語言保存計劃。雙語教育及少數語言保存計劃。雙語教育及少數語言保存計劃。雙語教育及少數語言保存計劃。雙語教育及少數語言保存計劃。雙語教育及少數語言保存計劃。雙語教育及少數語言保存計劃。雙語教育及少數語言保存計劃。雙語教育及少數語言保存計劃。雙語教育及少數語言保存計劃。雙語教育及少數語言保存計劃。雙語教育及少數語言保存計劃。雙語 |
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好接下來請張志倫委員好謝謝主席齁那如果提出第第24案齁其實剛剛很多委員都有提欸不是對不起有提出29案 |
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剛剛很多委員都有提到就是針對我們臺灣的客語發展業務每年編列7億多的預算那主要就推動客語通行警獎勵那有編的業務費2300萬獎補助費7400萬總共9700多萬可是現在大家剛剛有很多委員在講這個客語能力認證應符合在地比例在地客家人人口比例而且然後另外一個是行政院會各部會 |
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就是有說客以為通行與及地區公務人員通過客語能力認證比例是很低的所以顧名思義就是說其實 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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提出白寫書面或改成專案報告後。就這樣,謝謝。所以是書面,改成專案,從書面改專案。好,接著請蘇巧慧委員。 |
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好謝謝那我這裡提出的案子呢其實是有33跟34那其實33剛剛也是已經有做了討論那所以針對這個學習客語的部分那是不是能夠用政策引導客家語言的學習然後去考試的這部分剛剛已經有說了 |
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三十三已經確定改組決議。 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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那以新北市來講因為我們沒有客庄所以我們所能夠對應的都是非客庄的計畫好那這樣非客庄計畫下來了以後我們才會覺得說那最能夠還聚合大家來做客家一起做客家文化事務的就是社團這個邏輯是這樣拖延下來的嘛我們沒有客庄所以我們最重要的是客家社團可以凝聚最多人所以我認為應該要把資源放在客家社團 |
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那能夠去推動青年和兒少事務的客家社團應該得到更多的補助這是我整套的邏輯所以我想要請主委甚至請客委會這邊能夠回應我的是客委會現在有的相關計劃不管是一般型的或者是這種計劃型的補助相關的業務哪一些到底能夠回應我這一個訴求 |
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我想要的是這樣的資料那今天早上主委也已經回應了部分那可是我因為我相信您能夠知道的是相當的多所以是不是能夠用書面回應給我我要有留存那如果主委您這邊等一下能回應一下說欸確定我們彼此了解的東西是一樣的那我這個案子我同意改組決議直接就是不再做凍結這樣子的部分那但是我希望你主委的高度客委會的全面性給我一個完整的說明謝謝 |
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好那是不是主委先回覆因為剛剛有的不用好那請主委回覆 |
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謝謝委員確實那個都市的客家是不容易因為它是分散的那特別又是在青年跟兒少又更不容易那整個都是個別化了那我們要把它那個整個要群體化需要有方法那那個方法會分散在我們每一個計畫因為客會的幾乎是每一個計畫它不是一般性 |
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對那因為對不起主委我再打查一下等於是補充一下因為像這次能夠給我們的這個6個回應裡面6項計畫其實有4項是在學校推動的一項是由地方政府推動的所以只有第6項推動客與社區營造計畫才有機會是跟社團有關係 |
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我首先剛剛委員所提到的幼兒園的沉浸式的這個教學的部分其實我們從106學年度開始開辦這個計畫從當時的61個園所到到113年是已經新增到 |
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這個部分就是會有就是他們一個就是他們的整個制度上面的一個規範另外還有就是他們教學的一個模式他如何讓這個雙語一點點雷同的話我覺得學習可能也會有限吧是不是可以就是到改到其他事實上是有有跟針對這個雙語的部分或他們針對這個主語的保存是有比較有經驗甚至跟我們比較相似的地方這樣會不會比較適當 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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到世界的各地看更多的國家他們如何去推動他們的這樣的一個雙語的一個教學的一個模式原則上我是可以改組決議但是就是我覺得還是針對到什麼地方我覺得還是一定要有效果好不好這部分我們一定會讓他的這個效果是讓是可以符合我們這樣的一個計劃的目的 |
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提到的這個公教人員的通過客語能力認證那因為其實我們從109年開始推動通行語的這樣的一個辦法在 |
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全國的公教人員的這個符合度是從當年度的13%到目前有17.4%。客庄的公教人員的符合度從109年的29%到112年有到45%。那其實每年都一直在進步當中。那所以這個部分因為 |
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我們也會持續的一個就是像包括就是各縣市還有客庄地區請他們加強這一部分的一個提升 |
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好,謝謝,這個是處長。是原發展署處長。處長,這您回答的回應我不能接受,因為這我剛剛有跟您特別報告,這預算中心的這個報告就寫說執行狀況不好。那很多的解讀都不一樣,你用別的方式去解讀,可是跟預算中心提出來的內容就大相徑庭。 |
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本期是希望說當然我希望你們好好改善才能有改善計劃我覺得是比這個冷冰冰的數字來得更有幫助謝謝 |
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好那本席這邊可能也要提一下好我有我是第38案我本來保留我看我可能可以跟張志倫併案因為他那邊動7000萬嘛好那專案報告因為本席特別提出來就說哎你們你們要發展客家語言而且希望推廣 |
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你獎補助費為什麼114年就明年比今年減少了3000萬你的獎補助費減少3000萬直轄市少掉1000萬其他非直轄市少掉2000萬可是你這3000萬增加在業務費為什麼你那業務費3000萬做什麼然後獎補助變少剛剛大家都覺得要多鼓勵啊多鼓勵啊是不是處長說一下 |
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好跟委員報告主要會有兩個部分第一個部分目前我們對學校的補助是以學年度補助所以等於就是113學年就是補助了之後會一直到114年的7月的那這個部分會做保留但是我們通常會遇到一個狀況到了114學年會有很多的學校地方政府將錢還回來客委會 |
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因為今天時間的關係因為我們張委員有一個專案你在專案的時候可能再詳細的把學校他們的困難還有你們的業務費怎麼樣把它變成一個推動費用詳細的你在專案報告的時候來讓我們了解好不好我就併案了我就不保留我直接併案到張委員這裡 |
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中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬單位預算。 |
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上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時 |
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我們預算本來就少了本來50萬其實都多了啦從3500降到一半再減一點1000一半是1750啦我再把750砍掉剩1000張委員好不好同意啦7000到1000欸這真的是 |
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剩下十來趴而已。就原本期間的十,十趴多一點。好不好?好,謝謝委員。好,專案。好,那我們請專委宣告一下。第四幕。好,第四幕的部分。第33、34、39、40、41改組決議。第28、29、30、31、32、35、36、37、38並案。凍結一千萬元。提專案報告經同意後,使得凍結。好,那我們進入第五幕。 |
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來第5幕請丁學臻委員然後張志倫委員徐宇臻委員 |
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感謝主席。第五目是客家藝文傳播推展。我提出在51和54案這項目是近年來成長最多的預算科目。最主要是新增了開設影視作品來推廣客家形象和語言。在客委會預算比例越來越高。像是越進主流文化要開旗艦級影視作品。 |
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明年預算增加了快一倍像這麼高的預算作品的效益有多少讓人家感到懷疑應該請客委會提出說明所以這個項目凍結一億請客委會提出專案告告另外57案也有一個計畫是增加族群行銷社會議題實驗經費3000多萬 |
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相比明年度新增了2000多萬內容是推動線上行銷專案要提升客家能見度只有2000萬應該要去全台各地做更有效的實地推廣這一點經費在網路通路買廣告一下子就沒有了這裡也提案凍結1000萬希望客委會提出專案報告 |
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好接著請張志倫委員 |
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好謝謝主席我要跟主委跟大哥委員報告就是這個現在在討論的第46案第5幕就是藝文傳播推展編列了16億的經費那我這本席提議點列2300萬原因剛剛有特別在質詢的時候提到其中媒體政策宣導費在114年編列了9200多萬相較113年的 |
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690000增加了2300多萬以及我剛剛在質詢的時候才發現我們113年到11月執行的這個媒體業務及宣導費執行到3000多萬在12月在113年12月要再執行3000多萬剛剛也特別跟主委講這樣子的預算編列跟使用執行的狀況非常的奇怪那114年還要再增加2300多萬 |
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我剛也拜託主委不能在這樣子的做法從1月到11月花預算花不到50%最後一個月馬上大筆一揮什麼都簽什麼都過什麼都花這都是人民的納稅錢所以我才會提議說114年所增列的這些媒體宣傳費不能再增加因為代表過去一直以來都沒有好好的去做使用去做核准人民的納稅錢所以我提議 |
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這個而且客家人數使用一來一直下降所以沒宣費沒有達到效果那114年也沒有世界世界客家博覽或者大型活動的媒體需求所以因蹲劫政府支出提議減列2300萬元以上 |
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我們接著請徐宇貞委員謝謝主席本席在這一幕提出的是有關藝文傳播推展的部分那這個其中它經典編列預算是16億12867千然後作為媒體政策跟業務宣導費的是92045千元 |
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上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至 |
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那所以從媒體宣導的得票場案來看我覺得有過度集中在特定媒體的問題那我們也希望宣導的受眾的對象希望能夠全部都能夠涵蓋到而不要受到限制那所以說本席提出來凍結該項預算的10%那請客委會及所屬一個院內向立法院內政委員會求出專案報告並經同意後時的凍結謝謝 |
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好,那請問還有沒有其他委員。好,那本席在這個第5幕也是有幾個案,我看一下。45跟49,還有52。對,所以我本席的是45跟49這個是要保留,這個保留,這兩案保留,對對對。 |
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那請徐議長委員謝謝主席本期還有提出59案就是有關這個客家越境主流文化多元內容產業合作拓展計畫今年度總共編列3億3844萬照113年增加大概八成其中獎補助費大概編列2億501萬也比 |
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去今年度113年度的預算數9025萬增加了1億1476萬增幅高達百分之127.16那因為其實早上我諮詢我也特別提到就是說以現在這個客委會的執行率明年編列更這個多了一 |
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一百二十七趴的預算可能會加重該計劃執行率低落的問題所以提出該項目算數凍結百分之十也是等客委會一個月內將內政委員提出專案報告之後使得動之謝謝 |
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好來請張志仁委員有議案那個55案你有說到55案這個議論傳播推廣客家傳播行銷的這個客家要進3億因為這就一樣啦這韓國也是一樣的這樣OK講過了 |
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本期在這邊可能在說明前我可能也提一下就是說我們客家這邊傳播行銷喔就是第45萬這裡這邊講說 |
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提升客與聲望相關政策宣導費用好像重複編略所以我們對客家的所有的活動還有各種推廣我們都非常的支持但是呢有關這個大內宣的費用 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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我先跟主席還有委員說明其實那個客會會有這個預算我來了之後有很深的感觸那個感觸是說在中央還沒有成立客會之前確實客家族群的自卑感非常的重 |
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那客會成立之後花了很多的預算在重建這個族群的信心那也是因為透過這樣子的藝文活動或者媒體的宣傳不斷的在講客家的好跟美所以讓這個族群他恢復了自信那也比較敢走出來敢講我是客家人不然真的20幾年前不敢講的大家是躲起來所以我早上有說客家比較隱形就是這樣 |
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一方面客家族群是比較能夠自我認同了能夠有信心了那非客家族群因為看到原來客家也有這個美跟好所以非客家族群也開始會認識跟欣賞這個客家的文化否則那是很安靜的一個社會 |
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所以我為什麼現在先來這裡說這個的原因是這樣那我過去在地方完全是沒有宣傳經費的完全是沒有那來到中央看那個這中央這20幾年來花的預算在這裡是有這個效益所以才會才會有這樣的計劃下來那我比較能夠理解那同時我接了之後也是肯定這樣的做法會延續 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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針對宣傳的費用的增加的部分特別在這裡跟委員做一個說明客委會所做的宣傳剛剛有提到語言聲望那語言聲望比如我們今年有特別結合星光三月全聯跟加勒虎有六大通路的賣場透過他們的商場可以讓客人在商場進入到生活 |
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11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至 |
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3時至4時至5時至6時至7時至8時至9時至11時至12時至13時至14時至14時至15時至16時至17時至18時至19時至20時至21時至22時至23時至24時至24時至25時至25時至26時至26時至27時至28時至29時至30時至30時至31時至31時至32時至31時至32時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時至31時 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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下午9時至上午9時至下午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時 |
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我們都非常支持可是你完全沒有回答到我們委員的問題第一個是為什麼今年到11月花了3000多萬到12月再花50%然後你明年還要再加2000萬的原因完全沒有回答到第二個徐宇貞委員提出來的這個從因為我跟主委跟各位處長報告要調這些資料非常不簡單也非常辛苦那我們都支持客家的預算可是針對獨厚特定媒體的部分完全沒有回應 |
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所以我的意思是說是不是主委只要能同意未來這樣的做法能做改善其實我相信每個委員大家都同意你不能主委只講我沒有大內宣可是只是這些出來得標的情形讓人家很難不覺得大內宣阿好不好就是針對問題回答不然大家時間都寶貴謝謝 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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11月之前用了50%到12月這個問題是因為我們的活動就是依照活動那廠商執行做宣傳所以活動會比方說像12月28最後一場 |
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12月28日前一場是在11月我們青年因為我們要推出青年政策11月底才再推出所以像這兩個大型的那執行完之後他才會來請款所以會因為這樣子而把預算留在後面的後面為款來支付是因為跟著項目而走所以我們看到童話記如果4月當然他就可以請一些款 |
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上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午 |
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因為剛剛主委有特別提到我們絕對相信程序是沒有問題的公開招標也沒問題可是因為這是限制性招標所以就會有很多的空間可以去運作成為給特定媒體的所以這個部分我們希望說是不是能夠針對這個部分在新的年度114年度能夠給予比較公開公正公平的方式讓大家都能夠來招標 |
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上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午 |
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好,那本席補充一下就是本席在49案是凍結10%大概是1800萬左右那為什麼這樣提呢?是因為本席發現在非直轄市的各縣市我們的這個客家藝文發展計畫中的經費逐年的減少我相信主委一定知道我們很多客家重點區 |
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本期動輒的原因是,我們希望也是專案報告後才能動之。再來就是有一個動輒特別多的,動了4億的,這個是有關拍電影的。 |
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喔對剛剛那個本席要講一下等一下是不是請客會請你們準備一下你們最新發表的那個客家形象影片好像才兩三分鐘你等一下播給大家看看大家看不看得懂剛剛一直講齁要把我們客家推廣然後我們過去很自卑然後現在要讓大家哇我看了我都看不懂所以我建議等一下三分鐘播出來給大家看一下齁 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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5時至6時至7時至8時至9時至11時至12時至13時至14時至15時至16時至17時至18時至19時至20時至21時至22時至23時至24時至24時至25時至26時至27時至28時至29時至30時至30時至31時至31時至32時至32時至33時至34時至34時至34時至35時至35時至35時至36時至36時至36時至37時至37時至38時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時 |
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二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。三、繼續審查客家委員會及所屬部分。二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。 |
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好那因為這個第5幕呢我們發現好像凍結案都很多吼包含丁學中委員有凍結1億5000萬吼然後還有呃這個徐宇峥委員吼 |
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10%也有1.6億那包含張志倫委員的所以現在看各個委員的意見怎麼樣本席的在這邊的我們就保留就保留除非有一樣的有要動的我才併案我就先保留其他你們看三位還有我們這邊民進黨的委員也看最後決定怎麼樣 |
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3時15分再回來。 |
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市議會、市議會都要檢視。 |
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9時至9時至9時至9時至9時至9時至9時至9時至9時至9時至9時至9時至9時至9時至9時 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至 |
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三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。四、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬單位預算。 |
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5時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
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9時至9時至10時至11時至12時至13時至14時至15時至16時至17時至18時至19時至20時至21時至22時至23時至24時至24時至25時至26時至27時至28時至29時至30時至31時至32時至33時至34時至35時至35時至36時至36時至36時至37時至37時至38時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45 |
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五點半應該是這個點 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11 |
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臺灣情報臺灣民感恩拍中很高興臺灣民感恩拍中很高興臺灣民感恩拍中很高興 |
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23908.305 |
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23912.726 |
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我最希望我的三政府是跟啦啦隊跳但是我是跟資深啦啦隊 |
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23932.655 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
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23948.786 |
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23970.016 |
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6時至9時至11時至12時至13時至14時至15時至16時至17時至18時至19時至20時至22時至23時至24時至25時至26時至27時至28時至29時至30時至31時至32時至33時至34時至35時至36時至36時至37時至38時至40時至40時至41時至42時至42時至43時至44時至44時至45時至45時至46時至46時至47時至47時至48時至49時至50時至50時至50時至50時至50時至50時至50時至50時至50時至50時至50時至50時至50時至50時至50時至50時至50時至50時至50時至50時至50時至50時至50時至50時至50時至50時至50時至50時至50時 |
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23971.417 |
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23999.373 |
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我主要要給民視當二房東休息一個月我主要給民視當二房東休息一個月我主要給民視當二房東休息一個月我主要給民視當二房東休息一個月我主要給民視當二房東休息一個月我主要給民視當二房東休息一個月我主要給民視當二房東休息一個月我主要給民視當二房東休息一個月我主要給民視當二房東休息一個月我主要給民視當二房東休息一個月我主要給民視當二房東休息一個月我主要給民視當二房東休息一個月我主要給民視當二房東休息一個月我主要給民視當二房東休息一個月我主要給民視當二房東休息一個月我主要給民視當二房東休息一個 |
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8號或9號都不用審查?會時間拿出來? |
| transcript.whisperx[784].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[784].end |
24027.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].text |
海巡艦8號9號 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].start |
24050.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].end |
24059.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].text |
9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].start |
24069.042 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].end |
24072.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].text |
阿伯阿伯阿伯阿伯阿伯 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].start |
24092.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].end |
24095.398 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].start |
24119.908 |
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24130.837 |
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二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。三、繼續審查客家委員會及所屬單位預算書案。四、繼續審查客家委員會及所屬單位預算書案。五、繼續審查客家委員會及所屬單位預算書案。 |
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24142.5 |
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24145.802 |
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沒有,你先講這一幕啦,先講這一幕我明天在哪呢?我還要講保簽 |
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你白天有什麼要講?不是這樣,要期間,要期間會申請,都只見春雨啊、春秋啊、七點半會跳舞。我不要去會申請,我不要去參加會申請,我不要去參加會申請。因為我覺得跨年齁,申請是一個二十幾人的事,我們是有這個跨年,那幾個還要我做嗎? |
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24198.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].text |
本次會議時間為上午9時至 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].start |
24206.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].end |
24206.877 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].text |
本次會議時間為上午9時至 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].start |
24236.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].end |
24245.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].text |
9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].start |
24254.256 |
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24266.739 |
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7時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].start |
24282.404 |
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24297.676 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].text |
午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
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24301.738 |
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24314.384 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].start |
24329.131 |
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24333.215 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至 |
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24351.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].end |
24379.341 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].start |
24380.501 |
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24400.775 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
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24428.245 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].start |
24450.235 |
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24469.881 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].start |
24477.739 |
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24496.244 |
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午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].start |
24503.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].end |
24519.814 |
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中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分 |
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24545.201 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].end |
24552.948 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].start |
24562.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
24582.119 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
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24588.865 |
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24609.004 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].start |
24612.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].end |
24620.9 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].start |
24628.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].end |
24635.286 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時去歷史化 |
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24656.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].end |
24662.414 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].text |
9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].start |
24681.546 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].end |
24682.026 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].text |
審查內容。 |
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24704.507 |
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24704.607 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].text |
午10時至。 |
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24738.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].end |
24757.579 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].text |
12月28日是重要的客家日。我們客委會推出的客家形象影片給我們張志倫委員、丁薛忠委員、徐宇貞委員、黃婕委員、王美惠委員、蘇曉慧委員。就你們來看一下我們這個說台語的看一下這個 |
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24758.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].end |
24760.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].text |
9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].start |
24889.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].end |
24890.068 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].start |
24915.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].end |
24937.193 |
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大家好各位委員這支影片其實是那個我們要主打的是那個主流化下面一個全客語的概念就是說我們現在習慣用華語來溝通那我們想用它點醒說有沒有可能思考說如果你掉進他這個人就忽然掉進一個全客語的話他進教室發現哎呦他怎麼自己會講客語然後竟然用客語教英文 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].start |
24937.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].end |
24961.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
然後連手機的那個Siri也講客語然後他驚覺這件事情他發現連國際新聞都用客語在講然後他很驚訝自己在這個狀況下的時候然後出現了一個外星人然後外星人一開始講外星話後來是翻譯成客語嘛然後告訴說認識這個語言的世界我準備好了你準備好了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].start |
24961.755 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
24987.073 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
其實我們只是一個形象要講12284全國客家日但其實我們想要賣的點就是說大家有沒有可能意味思考用客語來想想看我們現在習慣的語言模式以上意向很好概念很好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
25023.78 |
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議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].start |
25025.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
25026.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
本次會議時間為上午9時至 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].start |
25041.498 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].end |
25042.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
本次會議時間為上午9時至 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].start |
25077.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].end |
25088.819 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].start |
25091.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].end |
25115.077 |
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三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於中央財政委員會及所屬部分。四、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於中央財政委員會及所屬單位預算。五、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於中央財政委員會及所屬單位預算。 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
25118.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
25131.81 |
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市長,請問一下,我們這個地方叫什麼?我們叫做巢仔巢仔巢仔我講巢仔就一直有人說,我們都很關心你講叫做巢仔,你怎麼講巢仔?你剛才說巢仔你怎麼講巢仔? |
| transcript.whisperx[824].start |
25142.961 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].end |
25157.913 |
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好現在繼續開會那我們剛剛溝通的結果我們這個第5幕除了個別保留的之外45、52保留其他併案53改組決議那其他就併案凍結3000萬那是專案還是書面 |
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| transcript.whisperx[825].end |
25184.999 |
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書面報告經同意後使得解凍。好,使得凍之。好,OK,我們這是第5幕,接著第6幕,那請各位委員表達。 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].start |
25196.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].end |
25197.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].start |
25211.985 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
25235.122 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
這個從今年度一月到九月入園的人數吼越來越有有比較少才100多萬人次跟疫情前的180多萬人次相去甚遠那所以我希望說這個客人會要加油打成全球客家博覽客家博物館跟生態博物館的目標所以我提議减呃動之百分之五以上謝謝好還有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
25241.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].end |
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請王美蕙委員。主席,在此我會跟主委說的資料就是,這次的事件就是說,我們全台灣的客家文化園, |
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疫情進程至今,您要如何可以帶動到疫情進程人去的人數?您是不是內部要有什麼改變,有什麼好處理?不過我覺得 |
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二、審查客家委員會及所屬單位預算書案 |
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中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。 |
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6時至9時至11時至12時至13時至14時至15時至16時至17時至18時至19時至20時至21時至22時至23時至24時至25時至26時至27時至28時至29時至30時至31時至32時至33時至34時至34時至35時至35時至35時至36時至36時至36時至36時至36時至37時至37時至38時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時至40時 |
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沒有就全部併案啦好全部併案大家都為了他們好啦這個客家齁文化是還存在的你們那些博物館那些不要把他當成歷史博物館在經營對啊這個好像是在講過去的事情我覺得這是不應該的我們是活生生的講過很多次了啦我是覺得如果這樣大家都併案我看第六幕看這個大家稍微動一下好了啦 |
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下午9時至上午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午9時至下午 |
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本次會議時間為上午9時至。 |
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好,因為我覺得這是我們這個委員會的委員都非常關心的事情,那我本來本席提議凍結5%,其實我也這個支持我們各位委員對客家事務的客家文化的這個支持,所以我提議凍結400萬就好。好,謝謝。好,那我們就照張志龍,那是解訟條件是專案還是書面?書面要同意嗎?好,書面報告經同意後時的凍結,好。 |
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25473.938 |
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我們請專委宣告一下第6幕第6幕第6是案保留第7委員提案合併處理凍結400萬元向本會提出書面報告均同意核實的通知好最後我們進入第7幕都是主決議沒有沒有第7幕有第7幕只有1案那請張召委來來第7幕說明一下 |
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簡單啦簡單啦謝謝各位委員跟主席第7幕是這樣我們是10年的三級機關但是我們沒有我們只有一台公務車那公務車已經27萬7千多公里了那按照程序我們跟行政院申請就可以再購買一台然後這次因為是首長的三級機關可以有首長車我們是用首長坐車的名義職業購買然後另外一部在當作一般公用以上簡單報告 |
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暫時替客人會說27年的車了。我改組決議啦。對,組決議啦。改組決議啦。好,趕快買,27年了,趕快買。27萬公里。是走27萬公里。10年,10年,10年。我聽錯了。好,OK,OK。那第7幕請宣告。第7幕第68案改組決議。好,那最後,最後組決議的部分行政單位怎麼樣?是不是都照案通過? |
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主席。主席。主席。改三個月。 |
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25580.6 |
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好其他委員或者是行政單位是不是我們主決議就照案通過除了69、70、71一個月改三個月之外 |
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本次會議時間為上午9時至本次會議時間為上午9時至 |
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同學,因為我們最主要的就是剛才張志倫委員說是要讓他們再做好,不是說要來他們山,要來他們百花百秋,是可以再做好,沒說實在,各位,我感覺說市民的意思,我感覺很辛苦,因為他們的錢很少,聽到主委,我真的感受到說,同學以前的同學以前真的他從來不要表態說, |
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25631.687 |
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25635.308 |
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二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。三、繼續審查客家委員會及所屬單位預算書案 |
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全世界、全台灣看到客家委員會的努力。以上。好,那剛剛網美會委員提的,那不在場的委員﹖李博裕委員有在,是不是您的要不要改三個月呢,還是就一個月?OK,可以,好,改三個月,好。好,73757,那其他的有沒有要﹖其他的不在的,我們可能也 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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25719.466 |
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對,主委,是吧?徐宇堅委員,他有跟我講那個你的特別費的30%嘛,對,他跟你溝通好了差不多啦,差不多,他說30%比較少30萬是吧,好,那就30萬,好 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].start |
25744.892 |
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25745.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].text |
現在我們請宣讀協商結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].start |
25774.882 |
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25798.859 |
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114年度中央政府總預算案客家委員會及所屬預算協商結論稅數部分第一案增列20萬第二案增列200萬稅數部分第10項第三次案改組決議第一幕第6案不予處理第5案凍結100萬元向本會提出書面報告經同意厚實的動之第7案凍結30%書面向本會提書面報告厚實的動之 |
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25805.216 |
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第二幕綜合規劃發展第14案保留第15、16、17不予處理。第8到13案合併處理凍結1500萬元向本會提出書面包括經同意厚實的凍資。第三幕客家文化產業發展 |
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第二十一案保留。第十八二十五案不予處理。第二十二、二十四、二十六案改組決議。第十九、二十、二三、二七委員提案合併處理。凍結10%向本會提出書面報告金同意厚實的凍資。第四目客家委員發展。第三十三、三十四、三十九、四十四、一案改組決議。 |
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第二十八二九三十三一三二三五三六三七三八案委員提案合併處理凍結一千萬元向本會提出專案報告均同誘使的動之。第五目議文傳播推展第四十五五十二案保留第五十三案改組決議企業委員提案合併處理凍結三千萬元向本會提出書面報告均同誘使的動之。 |
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第六目,客家文化發展中心規劃與運。第六十二案保留。其五委員提案合併處理。凍結400萬元,向本會提出書運報告金銅鑰匙的凍資。第七目,一般建築及設備。第六十八案改組決議。第八目,第一備金預算照列。組決議69、70、71、73、75、76修正文字通過。第72、74、77、78、79詐案通過。宣讀完畢。 |
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好請問各位委員討論事項所列有關114年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及其所屬部分及財團法人客家公共還沒審那個那個稍微那個稅務部分第三款第四款啊剛剛是是整個一起處理220萬還是 |
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應該是一起吧沒有沒有沒有他本來是說3、4合起來220萬但是3、4沒辦法他們說沒辦法要到第7款所以那我就個別好了我就個別了他沒辦法3、4對對對所以就個別了本來你3、4可以我是認同的但是他說要改到第7那就不要那就還是照原列第3款第4款 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11 |
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7款第7款你是到第7款對啊去跟主席趕快講一下好啦好啦好啦給你們方便來支持一下好啦就到第7款第7款好不好好啦第7款一起增加220萬那我們還沒審喔這個不然你就先念公務預算的部分這個等一下再念 |
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5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至 |
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有委員提案的部分就照剛才我們專委宣讀的協商結論通過沒有提案的部分預算均照列請問有無異議無異議通過本次通過之決議文字授權主席以及議事人員整理 |
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114年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分審查完略。拟據審查報告函付財政委員會提報院會。接下來我們就審財團法人客家公共傳播基金會預算。 |
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來這邊好像只有不多嗎在場的好來只剩志倫志倫來你表達一下我稍微講一下好謝謝主席不要耽誤太多時間我針對這個客家公共傳播基金會他這個114年度的籌自籌預算是這個1500萬自籌支出1300萬 |
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那可是我對過去112年的決算數我自籌的收入還低於有自籌的支出495萬那接下來我要跟請各位委員看一下這個客家傳播基金會有最近這幾年啊稅率稅出啊支出跟收入跟支出的部分的每一年都虧錢了每一年都虧錢了虧很大哦 |
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前年亏1900萬,去年亏1600萬,今年亏900萬。所以有兩個問題,第一個,這個自籌支出,我們大家籌錢的時候怎麼會自籌的支出比自籌收入還大,那不要自籌比較快啊,越籌越沒錢。那第二個問題是為什麼我們基金會這三年連續都虧損,是不是有人應該出來解釋一下。基金會是用來虧錢的嗎?以上謝謝。 |
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來是不是出來說明一下好這是陳董事長 |
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26180.198 |
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主席還有委員我是基金會董事長陳邦正剛剛委員所指導的數字恐怕有一點點落差了 |
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我們的這個自籌114年編列是1500自籌支出呢是1300我們現在這個這邊所列出來是這個112年這個自籌其實是有到720萬其實是事實上是比我們的這個租出多了很多了到113年的時候呢我們的自籌提高到1381萬 |
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490萬元。 |
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自籌支出495萬自籌支出是大於自籌收入所以請您再幫我看一下那第二個為什麼三年連續虧損那我其實有看到你自籌收入計畫裡面在第30頁裡面你有什麼國際合作業務我想請教你們真的有在執行嗎有啊有有那請會後我不是沒有什麼意見就是說你為什麼三年虧損你會後還是提一個書面報告給我們本委會的委員到底為什麼連續三年虧損 |
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按自籌支出的部分明明就大於自籌收入。拜託你們再努力一下。 |
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好那因為時間的關係我們是不是說本來要凍結一百一千三百萬我凍結一百萬提出書面報告後使得通知好不好好陳董事長加油啦好不好好我們凍結一百萬書面報告後使得通知好那 |
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我們一到四案賣委員沒有在場那連署的委員也沒有在場所以我們就沒有處理好那我們這個算審查完畢來好 |
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我們財團法人客家公共傳播基金會114年預算書案有委員提案的部分照剛才宣讀的協商結論通過沒有提案的部分預算均照列請問有無異議無異議通過那本次 |
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本次通過的決議,文字授權主席以及議事人員整理。那財團法人客家公共傳播基金會114年預算書案已審查完略,擬據審查報告,提報院會公決,不須交由黨團協商並推請本席於院會討論時做補充說明。 |
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那客家委員會及所屬預算已審訊相關人員可以離席跟委員會報告現在我們休息15分鐘後繼續處理中央選舉委員會及所屬單位預算 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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來一樓中選會。議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至 |
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8時至9時至10時至11時至12時至13時至14時至14時至15時至16時至17時至18時至19時至20時至21時至22時至23時至24時至24時至25時至26時至27時至28時至29時至30時至31時至32時至33時至34時至34時至35時至35時至36時至36時至36時至37時至37時至38時至40時至40時至40時至40時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時至45時 |
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好,現在繼續開會那我們現在要來審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於中央選舉委員會及所屬的部分請宣讀預算書及委員提案宣讀完畢之後再進行協商好,請宣讀114年度中央選舉委員會及所屬 |
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稅入預算。第二款法款及賠償收入第15項中央選舉委員會及所屬70萬5千元。第四款成產收入第16項中央選舉委員會及所屬7千元。第七款其他收入第16項中央選舉委員會及所屬39萬9千元。 |
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中央選舉委員會及所屬稅出預算第二款行政院主管第11項中央選舉委員會及所屬486663000元第一幕一般行政103681000元第二幕選舉業務30141000元 |
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27547.692 |
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27557.322 |
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第三目地方選舉委員會行政業務3億5169萬1千元。第四目一般建築及設備15萬元。第五目第一預備金100萬元。繼續宣讀提案。第11項 |
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一案。第一幕一般行政為第二至第四案共計三案。第二幕選舉業務為第五案至第49案共計45案。主決議部分為五十至五十七案共計八案。內容請委員參閱。宣讀完畢。好那我們現在來進行協商 |
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那是不是我們也是照這個我們內政委員會替我們整理出來的我們首先就是進入稅出部分第11項第11項只有一個本席的一個提案好這個部分 |
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5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].start |
27649.837 |
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27671.117 |
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這個部分的預算129萬8千元請中選會就如何參與出國提升選務工作效益及實體參與會議的必要性向我們內政委員會提出專案報告後並且有經過同意後使得動之本期在這邊特別說一下我們查了一下你們出國 |
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27673.278 |
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參訪過的國家參訪過的國家很多他們的國會議員都沒有罷免制度你們知道嗎?誰要回答?就是你這個之前一些詢答你們有很多的回覆的意見但是我覺得你出國了之後你都沒有發現世界上先進民主國家他們很多他們地方議員有罷免可是國會議員要嘛門檻很高要嘛是沒有罷免的 |
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27704.248 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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27717.216 |
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那稍為各位委員大家午安,稍為這個所問的這個問題大約有二第一個部分是有關出國的相關費用出的這個進行相關的一個考察之外那因為我們在外交上這個是屬於弱勢的這個地位 |
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中選會肩負兩個國家主體參加的一個國際組織包括AWEB也就是世界選舉機關協會還有AAEA也就是亞洲選舉官署所以這個相關的一個費用還是有它的一個必要第二個這個主席剛剛這個所關心的一個問題 |
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27760.665 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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27784.7 |
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這個各國的這個情形略有這個不同那上午法這個一概而論以上這個補充很好啊我沒有要一概而論我只是說欸我們的了解而且我們在台灣罷免制度是OK的沒有不OK所以不要誤解好說明完畢了好那我們這個案是不是就照照案是不是就照我們這個案嘛 |
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27815.559 |
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副主委是有講低一點本席可以參酌略減一點你說有參與的組織好像是跟選舉有關的那這樣是不是有兩個那是不是可以跟因為這既然附有外交的任務那是不是跟外交部拿經費就好了外交部沒有補助嗎 |
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27843.957 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].start |
27850.22 |
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27873.163 |
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主席各位委員因為我們臺灣的國際外交的處境的確是非常的困難那非常珍貴的就是中選會竟然可以以臺灣以中華民國的名義參加兩個國際性的選舉組織一個就是世界性的Aweb另外一個是亞洲的AAEA |
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我們雖然主要是辦選務但是對於能夠為國家以選務的外交來跟各國往來我們非常珍惜我們也認為這是我們的責任所以這幾年以來我們都非常積極的參與兩個國際組織以及相關的國際選務機構所辦理的各項的活動 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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請問一下你那個Aweb大概有幾個國家參加Aweb有一百多個國家一百三十幾個國家那亞洲那個什麼AAEA啊AAEA有20個國家有20個國家是的是的我們今年每年一次是我們今年是主席國是AAEA的主席國來台灣啊今年9月在台灣辦大會 |
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27938.733 |
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今年我也到哥倫比亞去參加世界年會。在這個年會上,我們成功的保住了可能對我們會籍產生影響的一個提案。 |
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我們發言得到與會各國的支持所以我們的會期今年是保住的我們是碰到挑戰但是我們如果不去積極的參與的話很可能就會被邊緣那明年到哪裡參加他大會是兩年舉辦一次 |
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二、審查客家委員會及所屬單位預算書案。 |
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執行委員會是每年都要辦。還有一些專案性的會議,因為這幾年包括錯假訊息包括這個身為影音還有包括資安的公期這個是全世界各國選務機關共同面對的挑戰所以國際性的這個研討會也相當的多我們自己也辦了 |
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28041.59 |
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我們今年也到新加坡也到馬來西亞去參加別的國際組織所舉辦的會議所以這個經費請主席那這樣好了我覺得這個部分要給他們啦有一些會費啦那個什麼都要的那一些不然到時候如果被除名的話就不好了 |
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我不是刪除嘛我是凍結那不然這樣好了我凍20萬然後你們專案報告專案報告之後凍支這20萬那你還有100萬可以用100多萬專案啦反正你來你總是要來業務報告的時候就一起嘛好不好 |
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28067.981 |
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好專案報告好好啦那我就這一個案動20然後專案報告後時得動之好那我們接著進入第一幕234三個案子那請在場的張志倫委員 |
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好,謝謝主席。那現在討論的是中選會第一幕一般行政的部分。那我先提一下第二案。第二案是這個徐宇宗委員特別提我提出來。有關於一般行政向下的這個基本行政工作維持費。經費是759萬4千元。包含這個維護費、辦公大的維護費、印刷費、清潔費、環境教育等費用258萬。那我們這邊提案的部分是說 |
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因為這個114年跟113年差了就是這個總統副總統跟立法委員選舉所以我們看到這個預算不減反增所以請序名爭列的理由避免無盡的浪費消化預算那請這邊請這個提出說明 |
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28163.191 |
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那所以這邊徐宇貞委員是提出要檢列100萬跟凍結10%那請中選會在一個月內向立法院立法院內政委員會提出書面報告後持的凍值那接下來是我提了第三案那第三案的部分是我本席之前對李敬永主委在質詢的部分針對現在這個我們都很尊重罷免團體的權益可是對於有一年內 |
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28164.372 |
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28190.448 |
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可不可以連罷免團體可不可以請我們一般的民眾來連署罷免書的這個部分李靜永主委之前回應我的非常的不確定所以第一個重點我想要請教的主委的是說現在選罷法三讀通過以後您認為現在選罷法三讀通過要附身份證正版面影本附身份證正版面影本就像之前這個 |
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28194.752 |
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28216.611 |
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總統選舉連署及很多公投連署這部分你認同嗎?你有要提復議嗎?第二個現在很多罷免團體現在已經在各處去連署了那我請教一下現在選罷法三度已經通過了現在這些在收罷免書的部分有沒有需要附身分證銀本?您的看法是什麼? |
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28217.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].end |
28235.715 |
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第3個我要請教這個主委的部分就是說現在罷免團體如果在一年在在還沒有滿一年就簽這個罷免書的部分的時候如果這些罷免書都沒有填日期的時候那會有罷免團體這些人去連署日期這樣子算是這些罷免 |
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28237.007 |
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28263.898 |
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約翼罷免的人他們的自由意識嗎?這樣的做法是否可以?那到底有沒有需要收徵跟證影本?所以我希望說中選會我們都希望它是一個獨立機關而且主委我之前一直在問你說這一年內到底能不能罷免的時候你說這個哪裡有罷免團體我沒有看到啊沒有哪裡有罷免團體我沒有看到啊然後第二個我就說那一年內到底有沒有人在後來我請教你說那到底有沒有人在罷免 |
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28265.017 |
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28292.504 |
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你看新聞看很多雜誌以及現在這個罷免團體還對本黨的委員說已經第一階段聯署都通過了還在上新聞那結果你主委你跟我講說因為沒有人跟我檢舉啊你這樣的回應本席非常不能認同我不需要你成為歷史上的罪人不想你成為這個影子主委那我這邊本席要提醒你過去其實有慣例當時反萊豬罷免的時候那些罷免團體其實 |
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28295.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].text |
9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].start |
28314.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].end |
28332.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].text |
議員、里長都會聞罷免。如果你沒有一個明確的態度的話明年烽火連天你只會成為歷史罪人所以我希望你不要成為影子主委那我這邊喔因為我有針對你的特別費71萬元全數減劣代表本席對你的抗議以及對你的不信任以上請問行政單位有沒有要說明 |
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28347.768 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].end |
28371.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].text |
謝謝張委員的指教那第一點我要特別呼應張委員的一個論點就是說就是說今天你罷免我明天換我罷免你所以所以我們選務機關或者是貴院大院你們在訂定這個選務的相關的法令 |
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或者我們選務機關在辦理相關的這個選務如果不是秉持中立的立場的話今天去傷到你明天也會去傷到另外一方就是會傷來傷去彼此傷來傷去中選會作為一個獨立機關依法行政我們對於選務的這個主張絕對是站在中立的立場 |
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因為我沒有辦法即便是有人想去單獨的偏袒任何一方是做不到的因為同一套法律同一個遊戲規則兩邊都會適用所以我呼應委員的這個論點我也是這樣子的一個看法這是第一點 |
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第二點要跟委員報告就是有關於大院所通過的選罷法的修正案子這個案子歸大院已經三度通過了那如果完成整個的法制程序依法公佈施行的話 |
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我們當然就是按照通過的生肖的法律來執行生肖的法律該附什麼文件我們就會要求要附什麼文件依照這樣子的規定來進行審查第三點就是說因為現在的這個 |
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現在的現行的這個選罷法只是規定說有關於罷免是必須在任期滿一年以後才提出所以我們審查的時間就罷免案的審查時間點我們是以罷免提出時為準 |
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至於在任職滿一年之前有一些人採取一些動作不管是宣傳的動作不管是實際上去收取怎麼樣的文件 |
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在選罷法沒有做規範我們也沒有法律的根據可以去執行所以這點務必請委員你能夠諒解我們就這部分並沒有辦法去執行審查以上三點 |
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主委您的意思我簡單幫你統整一下所以你支持這個就是說你當任主委來講你尊重選辦法三讀後要收集身份證銀本你覺得這沒有你不會提出復議法律我沒有權利提出復議這個是行政院的事情法律生肖的法律怎麼規定我們就按照那個規定來執行 |
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那請問您針對一年內沒有可不可以簽署簽署連署書你認為法無明文規定法無明文我們無法執行我們無法執行那請問主委您擔任了將近快8年的中選會主委快6年快6年的中選會主委這個問題你有要處理嗎 |
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這個法律規定我就照法律規定來執行沒有法律的話其實法律照法律規定來執行可以提出相關的法律規定因為為什麼本席會提出這個問題當一個人當選以後隔天馬上就可以連署罷免這個中選會如果不處理的話這個未來風火連篇我不是說針對哪一個政黨是中選會主委你聽到我們的建議以後你完全沒有作為就像本席現在在跟你討論你也說無法 |
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沒有法令,那中選會不應該處理嗎?我認為在這個...在第三個...一年之前這個是屬於個人的自由啦。他要去怎麼說,言論自由,他要去做怎麼樣子的一個動作,只要不要要求送到選委會來,那選委會是無權去加以干涉。 |
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主委我尊重您的講法因為您是中選會主委那最後一個要問你的點就是說當這些聯署書日期是填空白的時候那等到一般人在填的時候不會先填日期嗎那如果在後來這些罷免團體幫這些聯署人填日期的時候這份聯署書聯署書上面格式上面沒有日期是提出的時候這個領銜人必須要押日期 |
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領銜人幫所有聯署人提押日期領銜人自己押他提出的日期所以聯署書上不用填日期聯署書上沒有日期好以上謝謝好謝謝 |
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二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。三、繼續審查客家委員會及所屬部分。 |
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委員會關於電子聯署系統長期延宕為例,顯示執行效能及中立性不完善,所以這個部分我就把它動100%。在三個月後書面提出說明的話就解凍。來溝通的時候我也是要求是這樣。以上謝謝。 |
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好那請蘇巧慧委員好謝謝主席那我想我們在立法院就是都就事論事然後一碼歸一碼那雖然我也不贊成國民黨提出的選罷法那不過上上個禮拜確實這個法律目前他的程序上面是經過了三讀這樣的狀況當然我們對這個過程有相當的質疑不過程序上面他現在到這裡 |
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我們今天在做的是中選會的預算審查這樣的工作那剛剛其實張委員也提出了相當多的意見那現在麥委員也有提出了要凍結百分之百的意見不過我想根據剛剛聽到我們主委的回答主委也很清楚的表示就是說如果法律經過立法院三讀通過之後他就是會遵守這個法律他已經在這裡公開的承諾表達 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
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午10時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午 |
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主要是主委剛剛有表示他會遵守通過的三讀的法律因為台灣就是一個法治的社會你不滿意但是還是必須接受結果那是不是可以請國民黨委員考慮一下是不是請他們說明市民說明一下行政單位有想說明那就請說明 |
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謝謝召委各位委員那有關麥委員這個所提的一個問題做幾點這個補充第一點是因為中央選舉委員會的委員會議他每個月至少要開會一次這是法律這個鎖定那所以如果權數凍結會導致選舉的一個業務自然難行那更何況大大小小的一些選舉的一個業務 |
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其實是隨時會這個存在的包括這個地補啊包括這個補選等等等那第二個呢這個委員提到有關電子連署的這個部分我們在今年的這個4月1號4月這個10號公投這個電子連署這個已經這個上線了那委員這個所這個提的這個部分也做一個這個釐清 |
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好那我們就請張志榮委員麥義正委員可以做個決定我們就依據你們的意見 |
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因為剛才補充的是說要選舉要用要開會現在又沒有選舉啊對不對我只有動三個月後就是解動嘛 |
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所以說你可以就是書面我沒有叫說專案報告你書面給我就就是同意後就解凍了所以沒有選舉啊所以不是影響說你要選舉還有因為上次我在質詢的時候也問到就是電子連署系統 |
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也是沒有再進行,現在也還沒有再進行應用所以也是覺得這個一直在延宕嘛所以我們也希望說你要你講的你就書面說明嘛你就解凍喔,沒有減弱你的費用啊 對不對所以這個是沒有影響的因為現在也沒有選舉啊三個月你覺得三個月太久你就一個月嘛 對不對一個月也不會影響到你的作業啊 |
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主委有要說明嗎?好請主委報告委員好各位委員其實我們的選務不是不是選舉年才有選舉像現在各種各種補選 |
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對,補選,我們現在還在辦補選有很多地方還在辦補選所以選務,大大小小的選務平常都會辦理那如果沒有一些經費來支持的話那根本辦不下去而且這個選舉辦理的期限都是法定的期限都是法定的期限所以你全部都凍結的話那我們真的是選務就凍不了了這點請委員能夠諒解謝謝 |
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上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時 |
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張昭偉議員 |
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午9時至午10時至午11時至午12時至午13時至午14時至午15時至午16時至午16時至午17時至午18時至午19時至午20時至午21時至午22時至午23時至午24時至午25時至午26時至午27時至午28時至午29時至午30時至午30時至午30時至午30時至午30時至午30時至午30時至午30時至午30時至午30時至午30時至午30時至午30時至午30時至午30時至午30時至 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午。 |
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好主席我還是要請教主委主委剛剛的解釋其實我大概有一半能聽得進去其實主委是很辛苦可是我針對您剛剛最後提到說這個這個還沒還沒任職還沒一年可以這個就是可以罷免的連署這是個人個人的自由意願這句話我覺得中選會還是沒有講得很清楚 |
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那我這邊其實我的提案裡面有提到特別一點就是有關於這個過去不管是金融的罷免案這個有1億的聯署書資料填錯或沒有本人簽名的話應該以雙掛號來由本人來回覆那金融是當時選委會有認為說如果當事人據領未有回覆或查無此人 |
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後會沒有回覆也沒有簽名等的話應該是認定為無效的聯署書可是你當時這個應該沒有無效聯署書應該要淘汰認為是偽造或代簽的情事可是當時中選會卻要求如果沒有回覆即認定為合格 |
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所以當時其實你已經有主委親自到場來指揮猜量行動所以有違中選會的地位所以本席還是針對這裡我沒有要減那麼多特別費我就減大概一半35萬的特別費以上好那請高金委員 |
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報告主席在場的委員們我對於徐宇貞委員的提案我覺得我是支持他的就是在整個元劣數的1140萬6千減劣100萬凍絕10%為什麼是這樣子呢?我記得我在這個 |
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基隆罷免案的時候本席辦公室我先講我是無黨籍的本席辦公室接到非常多的投訴就是連署的部分有非常多的瑕疵然後我們有請中選會到我的辦公室來做說明那他們的說明是說的確有一些法他們要修可是到目前為止都還沒有修啊 |
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所以我覺得這個中選會有違你們的職責尤其這個主委你已經你剛說已經6年多了快7年了在這裡擔任這7年多來難道你都沒有看到這些問題嗎這不是黨政的問題而是浪費公堂的問題你們這一次光是一個罷免基隆市就花了多少錢這可是人民的納稅錢欸 |
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你們在審查的時候不好好審查你們也清楚知道有一些東西是有漏洞的但是這將近7年來你們都沒有試圖要去解決這個問題所以呢我認為徐以貞委員的提案我非常支持就是檢列100萬凍結10%然後請你們提出專案報告以後才可以解凍請告訴我們有哪些法是漏洞的 |
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有哪一些這個雖然我們選辦法已經通過了啦現在也沒有說嘉音徐宇珍的那個版本立法院都打成這樣子了然後民進黨立委還破窗進去那只不過是跟民進黨委員以前提案包括吳秉瑞委員所提案的部分是相同的就是要提出身份證遺孕本 |
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這個部分我覺得中選會你們的確是應該站在中立的角度雖然剛剛你有表態你說依法你絕對但是呢你站在中立的角度你就應該清楚知道這已經是在立法院完成三讀通過了所以你必須要提議跟行政院提議千萬不可以再提復議案否則的話大家未來對中選會會有什麼樣的態度跟看法 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。 |
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現在那是兩年選一次立法委員跟總統一起選縣市首長跟民代一起選已經改了兩次了好不容易那現在動不動就罷免動不動罷免你認為這不是浪費公帑嗎你認為這不是造成社會的動盪不安嗎不管是哪一黨執政這個都不是非常好的例子啊 |
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而且剛剛還說你們出國你去參加了這麼多的歐盟會議、亞洲會議全世界有哪幾個國家是拜美國立法委員的你們應該很清楚啊為什麼你們參加了這麼多的國際會議你們難道連這些資訊都沒有嗎?你剛剛說是憲法那7年來你為什麼不建議我們的總統或者是建議在野黨休一下你有中立嗎?我們毫無看到你的中立謝謝 |
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本期有發現徐宇貞委員的提案聯署人是高金委員跟張志倫委員所以我想看第二個案是不是按照高金委員的提議 |
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主席各位委員我們對於委員對中選會的指教是非常非常在乎的尤其如果是指教說中選會辦選務不中立有偏袒那對我們來講是打擊非常的大那這樣子的打擊我們用什麼態度來面對呢一個如果有誤會的話我們要說明第二個我們真的有錯的話我們要檢討我們要改進 |
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那針對罷免尤其是基隆市市長罷免的這個案子其實在這個選務的初期階段鬧的是風風雨雨我知道這個案子被提出來之後一定是引起雙方陣營非常尖銳的對抗 |
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午10時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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在還沒有開始進行連署之前我就已經邀集基隆市選委會到中選會來大家要開個選前的協調會這個選前的協調會就是要把一些相關的選務法令的規定 |
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選務實際運作的這個程序要跟金融式選委會大家一致才能夠採取共同的一個立場才不會引發外界的質疑但是這個案子這樣一走下來在 |
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查對的階段在提議跟連署查對的階段遭驚起出了一些狀況這個是我們選委會內部應該要檢討的 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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以及過去我們對於查對相關的解釋、會籍、層冊都跟基隆市選委會講得清清楚楚還好最後把它導正過來了我光舉一個最簡單的例子 |
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為什麼為什麼基隆市選委會向基隆市政府提出的查對費用的件數竟然會達到兩萬五千份 |
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總共連署的案子也不過是三、四萬份為什麼呢?即發查詢函要發兩萬五千份我不講他什麼背景我光講一點對選委會來講就是讓外界看笑話你們完全是沒有選務的專業一個專業的選務單位根據過去大大小小的罷免案件查詢的件數一定可以知道 |
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你不必編到兩萬五千份嗎?為什麼要這樣子編呢?基中必有援助。所以我提這麼一個簡單的例子你就可以知道我裡面有很多的問題。這些問題我把它公開了。 |
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我有調查報告,我在我們的網站公開了,歡迎各位委員能夠去給我們指教。對不起,因為牽涉到中選會務必嚴守中立的立場,所以我說幾句話,請大家了解,謝謝。 |
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二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。三、繼續審查客家委員會及所屬單位預算。二、審查客家委員會及所屬單位預算。 |
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特別費,第三案直接減劣10%本來71萬改成減劣10%那麥議政委員您的案沒有沒有,你第四案你的意見好,凍結50% |
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5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至5時至 |
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到這邊那接著接著我們進入第二幕主要是第二幕所以我們現在請各位委員可以表達意見 |
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對不起剛剛那個是書面報告竟同意時的通知對不對他原本是寫書面你要改專案嗎我認為應該是要改個專案吧好那就那就剛剛剛剛那個主委也說的確有非常多的疏失啊然後他中選會就直接介入了選委會啊嗯哼哼 |
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很顯然中選會主委的權責很大他可以決定一切所以我們第二案檢列100萬凍結10%那請提出專案報告主席剛才主委說的不是這樣的意思吧會有專案報告 |
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主委說一下 |
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這也是外界甚至於包括基隆市選委會辦理這個罷免案市府派來的兼任人員錯誤的觀念他以為中選會是第三者其實不是 |
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這個罷免案根據選罷法的規定是由中央選舉委員會指揮監督地方選舉委員會來辦理所以是一體 |
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我們跟地方選委會是一體。外界刻意的把它解釋為說中選會介入。這本來就是我的事情,我當然可以介入了。本來就是我的事情。 |
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你記得你剛剛講的這個中央跟地方是一體的講道理中央跟地方中央跟地方是一體的阿你剛是這樣說我們的選委會是整體的一個單位對阿整體的一個單位嘛對不對沒有啦他現在講的議事選報法裡面會中央選舉委員會及地方要發表那個委員會兩個做法做法的講話啦是不是這樣議長好再來我把這個 |
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我們第一幕已經確定了嘛所以現在進入第二幕所以現在第二幕可以請各位委員發言首先請吳啟明委員好主席我第二幕第二幕第18案還有第二幕第39案因為我們中選會有來溝通我都列入我們的主決議好謝謝好接著請張志倫委員後面請蔓逸臻委員 |
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好謝謝主席我今天有提三個案主要是第22案就是這個有關於選舉業務綜合規劃及選務資訊化資訊服務費部分凍結50萬就是中選會現在有一個罷免及公投電子連署系統從107年建制完成建制經費罷免跟公投電子連署兩個 |
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電子經費是403萬跟250萬可是還有很多的系統沒有上線所以從107年到現在我建議凍結50萬的經費這比較少第二個案子是我之前有在質詢的時候特別請教主委的就是第24案 |
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就是選舉業務綜合規劃及選務資訊化的一個部分這個部分我也是針對這個公投案及這個連署的名冊查兌費505萬因為大家都知道從100最後一次公投的連署是110年111、112、113年都沒有公投的連署 |
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也沒有查對,可是每年都編好編滿,都編五六百萬的經費,通通花光光,都不知道雲芝到哪裡去了。上次我問過李敬友主委,沒有公投綁大選,所以公投案都不能成案,結果公投的查對費用還編好編滿,而且花五六百萬都這樣花光光。這個部分我建議要減劣505萬,以及最後 |
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這個國外旅費的部分在第46案的部分 |
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剛剛我們很多委員都提出這個中選會現在沒有選舉還一直出國去考察那比如說最近要提國外的旅費到加拿大聯邦考察大選時務那到底考察出來什麼東西剛剛我們很多委員也提出來其實這個中選會主委我們認為他對政黨政治公平性的核心價值是鮮有不足而且這個 |
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中選會對選務遭遇非常閒熟只是缺乏革新以及缺乏提出新的法令的勇氣所以還花大筆預算出國考察當然中選會說因為其他國國情不足而不足採納 |
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所以一直出國去旅遊可是回到台灣來都說國情不同而不予採納這些國外的一些建議所以我們認為這些出國考察費用大可不要所以提議簡列這個國外旅費50萬以上好接著請麥義正委員然後高金委員接著黃捷委員 |
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好謝謝主席我這邊第17案就是因為媒體宣傳就是感覺這就是不足來溝通了還是講了就是不清楚所以這個部分的話我是簡略了就是全部啦在第19案的部分呢就是關於不再急投票因為我們在不再急投票就 |
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一百二十七個國家的全球有一百二十七個國家都有不在一起投票但是我們這邊到現在還是沒辦法去去這個投票的範圍還沒辦法去改善19還有第30案呢我也是簡略了就是 |
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百分之百因為多國語言的公報是沒有的所以有很多人都沒辦法是說要了解我們的選舉方法還有裡面的公報的內容還有第12案還有選務人員的督導責任這個部分也是看起來就是姆薩薩所以這個我也是全檢 |
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第45案是有來溝通說這個是要出國的本來是全檢但是後來現在就改組結議還有第48案因為在 |
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這邊很多人在講我們的中選會的時候呢就是要去檢舉又要高到最後呢就是都濫用司法所以這個部分我們也是我也是檢列還有第49案也是一樣宅法選民這樣就變成是不具體這個我也是全檢以上報告好接著請高金委員 |
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我在第二幕裡面的第6案、第7案、第31案就是分別對於這個選舉業務3014萬1000元我原來是凍結1000萬啦那現在他們來溝通之後我是同意這個凍結500萬那我要講一下我為什麼要凍結他的預算也就是說原住民的選舉的權益長期以來遭受侵害如主委剛剛講的他在任已經快要7年了 |
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我們回顧8年的預算審查的過程都有立法委員提出秘密投票不再急投票還有原住民投票率過低原住民投票選入疏失的問題我們要要求中選會你來要求改善你剛剛講中選 |
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中央跟地方是一體的為什麼我們原住民在投票的時候還是碰到非常多的問題更何況監察院早就在108年7月9號有正式的公告要糾正中央選舉委員會然後糾正案是說你們沒有督促各地方選舉委員會確實依照所定的標準設置投開票所 |
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所以我們會看到113年度平地跟3D原住民立法委員的選舉僅一人的投票所分別是966還有1069家戶仍然是偏多的那113年度平地3D原住民立法選舉人僅三人的投票所 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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5時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11 |
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尤其是以原住民的立法委員更是明顯如果是縣市的議員如果是鄉長因為那是短兵相接所以大家都會回去但是總統跟立法委員的選舉你會看歷年來的數據都非常的低這個也都跟這有關係所以我們在說連菲律賓 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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選舉選舉是說我如果沒有告訴他我們原住民的選票是根本沒有放在桌子上的是放在抽屜裡面的如果我們選舉人沒有說我是原住民的話他就不拿選票出來那有一些人就是因為這樣子生氣不投票我們辦公室收到非常多的投訴所以呢我在第6案第7案第31案 |
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我同意凍結500萬然後請你們在3個月內提出具體的這個解決方案解決方案第一秘密投票第二公投法脫鉤原住民不在籍第三原住民投票率過低的問題第四原住民投票選務疏失的改進所以以上是我在做跟大家做這樣的說明謝謝 |
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接著請黃潔委員好謝謝那我講一下我的提案是關於身心障礙的部分因為我有接到一些身心障礙的呃民眾來跟我反映說現在我們投開票所的身心障礙的環境並沒有那麼友善那我有看了一下目前其實我們全台灣所有一百呃 |
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一萬六千六百五十三個所裏面符合無障礙設施規定大概是93%就是還沒有完全百分之百那可能有一些民眾他就是使用到沒有那麼完善的包括說有一些沒有在一樓那有的是雖然在一樓但是他並沒有無障礙坡道 |
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導致他們要去投票的時候造成非常大的不便所以這個是希望我們中選會再跟地方的選委會再把這一些投開票所布置的時候要一併考慮進去最好是可以達到百分之百這個我一定要替身心障礙者來請命謝謝 |
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好接著請牛許庭委員好謝謝主席23案的部分是罷免案跟公投的這個電子連署啦那之前有講嘛現在執行的進度到底是怎麼樣公投的已經可以使用了是不是那罷免是因為要用一樣的系統嗎還是要用不一樣的系統因為一個是人一個是事有沒有一些差異現在打算怎麼處理是不是請中選會做一下說明這個第一個是這個我一次問啦待會一次回答 |
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二十七案的部分剛剛應該那個大家都有談到啦就是說到底查對的那個估的估值的標準是什麼因為你估然後前幾年最多也只有用到352萬那你編500多萬是不是有寬裂的嫌疑這要怎麼來處理大家一起討論 |
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二十八案跟三十四案這個前面有來過說明所以我們可以改組決議最後三十五跟三十六案雖然談的是原住民但是這個是老問題就是說一個票箱只有一張票兩張票就違背了這個所謂的無記名投票這樣的一個原則但是老問題也不太好處理那本期的建議是這樣其實這些東西 |
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不在即投票或許可以解決一大部分的問題啦那其實我們在這個第一會期剛開始的時候沒有花一點時間去討論不在即投票那我們現在想了解中選會後來繼續做研究跟一些方案的一些研擬有沒有一些特別的進展所以說凍結一部分希望換到一個清楚的說明跟報告我提的幾個案子以上做說明謝謝這個請中選會回答一下我們剛剛一些問題謝謝 |
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那等一下一併回答,接著請高金委員我剛剛講到的是第2個案,就是要有4個,然後第7個案的話是原住民立委缺額立即補選的問題因為原住民的委員,我們總共3屆原住民3席,平地原住民3席,如果缺額的話你們就不補 |
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三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。四、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬單位預算。 |
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6時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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二十案。二十案是本席發現最近兩次公投選舉,選務滿意度調查中還有 |
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三十九趴一百一十年是三十九趴一百一十一年是五十一趴的民眾表示呢這個都沒有聽過公投案也沒有看過公投案所以表示中選會對於公投案宣傳工作有非常大的努力空間所以本期這一個案這個凍結五百萬那希望能夠專報專案報告之後再來解凍 |
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那再來專案報告然後經過同意後再解凍再來第26案這剛剛大家也有講等一下您也好好說明一下就是提案人聯署人名冊的查對費那本席覺得有扶編預算之餘所以簡列300萬元 |
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那再來第29案29案就是我們有開過專案會議開過那個預算法案審查有關這個公投綁大選那主委一直的說難如登天公投綁大選難如登天所以本席凍結這項預算這個58萬1000元希望中選會就公投綁大選如何合併執行提出專案 |
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改進方案後在專案報告後同意使得動之。接著第43案43案是針對中選會對候選人的一些假訊息沒有積極的查核以及沒有協助澄清不實的訊息對監察還有維護選舉公正性有失職之處所以凍結這項預算300萬元 |
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那也是專案報告後經同意再動之。那最後44案,44案是有關這個一個議題大家在討論就是到底選舉前多久不可以發布民調那這個也牽扯到你們也常出國嘛剛剛也很多人提到那我們就發現啊 |
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美國對於這個民調的部分沒有限制。丹麥沒有限制。荷蘭沒有限制。奧地利沒有限制。愛爾蘭沒有限制。南韓是投票前6天不得發布。德國的話是投票當日不能夠做出口民調。加拿大就是只有投票日當天不行。法國是投票前一天不行。西班牙前5天。所以呢這個針對這一個 |
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預算本席凍結150萬也是專案報告後經同意使得凍支以上請行政單位就剛剛所有委員的這個提案詢問來做陸續的說明謝謝召委各位委員大家午安那針對剛剛各位委員這個所提的一個問題那一一的這個說明如下 |
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第一個有關選舉業務費的這個部分如果這個是採檢列而且是全部檢列的話會導致業務無法這個推動那這個請這個務必這個審慎來這個處理那第二個呢是有這個委員提到 |
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這個尊重原住民的這個投票秘密還有尊重原住民投票意願的這個部分我們都有在做一些細部的一個設計跟調整我們也會這個來把選務的這個部分持續來加以這個完備那至於委員這個所關心的有關原住民這個委員出缺補選的這個部分我們中選會原則上是支持 |
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是採贊成的這個立場我們也會把相關的一個意見轉給這個選票法的一個主管機關內政部這個來參佐那委員這個提到有關身心障礙者這個投票檢核的這個部分我們是有循序漸進讓這個選舉年的這個部分能夠提高這個檢核率 |
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這個部分我們依序來處理。那委員這個還有提到各式各樣的一個問題雖然沒有辦法一一的一個來回答但是在剛剛的這個說明中也有一些有跟大家這個做過報告第一個就是 |
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有關不在籍投票的一個問題那選務機關的一個立場是先公投不在籍那等到公投不在籍成熟之後再來辦理這個選舉不在籍那至於全國性公民投票不在籍的投票法案中選會是有這個送過來給這個立法院這個審議過那後來因為這個戒期不連續的一個原則沒有這個續審那這個也跟大家這個來做一個報告 |
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那其他各式各樣的一個問題包括這一個民調的這一個禁制期的一個問題各國的一個規範制度是略有這一個不同那考量到我國的一個這個國情跟選舉的這個競爭的這個激烈這個程度保留現在的這個10天的一個冷卻期禁制期還是有它的一個必要那這個相關的一個問題沒有辦法一一的這個回答的這個部分也請各位委員這個能夠了解 |
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對不起喔,可不可以請問一下為什麼不在籍投票要公投先行,然後取得部分的一併呢?你講個理由那跟委員報告一下,不在籍這個投票它的一個制度因為涉及到社會信任的一個問題公投就沒有社會信任我們現在的這個投票這個制度它是有高度的一個社會信任的一個基礎那社會信任的一個共識的一個取得可以藉由先公投 |
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公投這個施行這個事行之後如果大家的這個社會信任度這個提高之後在這個擴大到這個選舉而不適合一次就進入這個選舉的一個我不同意你的說法很抱歉我不接受還有沒有要說明的都說明完了好那 |
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現在這樣選舉業務的部分從第5案到第15案選舉業務喔喔3000萬欸整目沒有那但是這裡面那現在整個 |
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每個委員,他也包括國外旅遊啦,像黃建斌委員的126萬國外旅遊,還有那個趙偉明的也是。對,還有那個剛剛麥毓貞委員也有提到,麥毓貞委員也有。那個趙偉,其實大家都有按,整幕啊,其實整幕的預算也3000萬而已啦。 |
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我是覺得我們看是不是整目凍結500他們要簡列我覺得簡列個100萬或150這樣子整目來處理所有病案我們要聽聽張昭偉有提案我們聽聽其他委員的意見張昭偉提案凍結500簡列150那其他人有其他意見的請說嗨 |
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午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
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民眾送以辦案這個是是在我們的法政業務這邊現在沒有在選舉啊所以法政這個部分這個工作也不用編列200多萬的預算啊就兩個就200多萬的預算所以我覺得有一些現在目前今明年沒有在用到的預算這就是不必要去編列啊 |
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午10時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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整幕一起就減列500你建議減列500沒有阿他現在是整個講阿 |
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三個案子是具體可行改善的狀案報告 |
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不要到時候給我們的專案報告又是剛剛那個副主委講的這個公投先行然後什麼人民信任案這個原住民的不在籍其實是很重要的我剛剛說了我們的投票率非常的低然後秘密投票的問題等等你如果可以先行跟公投一起先行的話或者是你就一的就整個不在籍投票整個都施行 |
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所以你要把這幾個可具體的改善的專案報告提過來而不是又是你剛剛這樣一番的說法謝謝好那我們高金委員說的具體改善的方案要專案報告我們這邊即便統棟跟統山那我們要有專案報告那剛剛高金委員是棟500嘛我記得對所以麥委員是統山500高金委員統棟500有沒有意見 |
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沒有意見我們這一幕我們這一幕是不是就這樣 |
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報告主席跟各位委員其實中選會是一個很小的部會我們整個稅出預算也不過是4億8千多扣掉法定的支出 |
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一役出逃案的並不是說明年明年其實是一個公投年雖然到目前為止還沒有公投案的成立但是難保什麼時候他突然一下子進來了我們還有很多選務必須要大大小小的選務必須要去進行 |
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中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。 |
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中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。 |
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31432.839 |
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本席在這邊先說明這個所有委員其實是希望拿錢就是說預算是OK但是中選會常常很多事情不夠努力譬如像主委這個答詢的時候人家做得到的對你來說難如登天那能力不夠那就要加緊努力啊所以我們這個預算 |
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31435.401 |
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31435.741 |
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9時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時至11時 |
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31467.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].end |
31483.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].text |
上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時至上午9時 |
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31485.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].end |
31489.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].text |
二、審查客家委員會及所屬部分。三、繼續審查客家委員會及所屬部分。 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].start |
31502.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].end |
31509.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].text |
第二幕第二幕選舉約務第18、28、34、39、40、41、45案改組決議。區議員提案合併處理。檢列300萬元。凍結500萬元。向本會提出專案報告經同又使的通知。 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].start |
31531.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].end |
31532.917 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].text |
午10至午11時文字修正。 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].start |
31547.116 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].end |
31550.398 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].text |
我上面寫的是為了各年度的預算審查中央選舉委員會他有凝聚各所屬的細部計劃說明表 |
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31563.326 |
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31589.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].text |
就各個分支細部計劃的計劃目標主要工作項目預期效益以及往年度相同或類似委辦獎補助或者是補助計劃的具體成效提供相關書面資料作為立法委員審查預算的時候的參考那麼當然我也考量中央選舉委員會預算所轄的工作是非常廣泛的而預算書僅僅概括說明 |
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31591.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].end |
31618.331 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].text |
沒有辦法細究個別系部計劃執行情況所以我在這邊提案是不是要求中央選舉委員會你們去跟農業部討論一下農業部就是這樣他是擬具相類似的各年度預算的系部計劃的說明表然後並隨著年度預算書一併送到各立法院還有各立法院還有內政委員會的辦公室 |
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31619.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].end |
31642.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].text |
以方便我們來審你們相關預算的審議所以我不知道你們對這個組決議有沒有什麼意見謝謝沒有意見齁我看你們沒有要表達有沒有意見快點有沒有問題你們到了辦公室來說已經是沒有問題啊現在又有什麼問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].start |
31644.949 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].end |
31657.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].text |
主委說沒問題所以整個組決議行政單位都沒問題委員們也沒問題了那我們就都照案通過囉好那現在我們請宣讀協商結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].start |
31661.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].end |
31686.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].text |
一、市民入中央政府總預算案中央選舉委員會及所屬預算協商結論稅入部分預算照列稅出部分第11項動結第一案動結20萬元向本會提出專案報告經同意後使得動之第一幕一般行政第二案檢列100萬元動結10%向本會提出專案報告經同意後使得動之第三案檢列10%第四案動結50% |
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31690.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].end |
31691.873 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].text |
向本會提出書面報告後時的動之。 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].start |
31694.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].end |
31702.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].text |
第二幕選舉業務第18、28、34、39、40、41、45案改組決議。其委員提案合併處理。檢列300萬元。凍結500萬元。向本會提出專案報告經同意後使得凍資。第三幕、第四幕、第五幕預算照列。組決議50、51兩案修正文字通過。52至57案照案通過。宣讀完畢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].start |
31722.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].end |
31746.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].text |
好請問各位委員討論事項所列有關114年度中央政府總預算案關於中央選舉委員會及所屬部分有委員提案的部分照剛才宣讀的協商結論通過沒有提案的部分預算均照列請問有無異議無異議通過本次通過之決議文字授權主席及議事人員整理 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1072].end |
31764.192 |
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那114年度中央政府總預算案關於中央選舉委員會及所屬部分。審查完均。擬據審查報告含附財政委員會提報院會。本日議程處理完畢。好,現在散會。好,感謝大家。謝謝。 |
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31785.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].end |
31792.691 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].text |
午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午10時至午 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].start |
31811.442 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].end |
31814.368 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].text |
下午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時至上午10時 |