| IVOD_ID |
164322 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164322 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-16T09:38:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-16T09:47:43+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:49 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6022c9f6d63255a3786cf6ef9ad95021bc4230b8fec4a4bd567c211a4a444b4a03e613f7b702dda25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳亭妃 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:38:54 - 09:47:43 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請公平交易委員會代理主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 我們請主委主委我想我延續議員的質詢其實你剛剛講了一點讓大家很擔心的是說你要看強制的程度是什麼狀況請問這個標準誰定 |
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这个我们在处理原则里面是依照一般人的生活经验合理的生活经验在这种情况底下消费者是难以抗拒的是啊他邀你进去然后开了一个商品让你试用然后你要离开的时候说你已经开了所以呢你要付费 |
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那请问这有没有强制我们在一些案子不处分的案子其实我们处理过一些类似的案子但是因为就是那个程度我们在那些案子里面其实我们看到的就是说你讲的这个话其实主委你要很小心因为大家会很担心因为你所谓的强制与不强制要看程度那请问程度又谁在做决定然后呢今天我的感受 |
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他已经强制我了把我拉进去然后开了这一瓶这已经是强制了我的感觉已经强制了那你还要说要看强制的程度所以这个要很小心因为我们一直说公平会要给人民是信心而且现在诈骗非常的多方式非常的多元 |
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人民如何受到保障這才是重點所以主委我覺得今天這個議題是給你們一個提醒因為你一直強調說強制的程度那請問強制程度是誰在判定我人民的感受還是公平會在確定還是我還要再提告 |
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沒有 我們公平會當然有責任要判斷只是說那個判斷的標準我們是以一般日常生活一般人的合理的經驗來判斷在這種情況底下但是我的內心已經覺得我已經被強制了可是你不是當事者啊你不是當事者所以我覺得這個部分 主委要給人民有信心感就是說當我遇到這個問題的時候我來公平會 |
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去做申訴請求協助的時候我不是得到是冷冰冰的說法說我要看強制的程度我就是因為我自己有被強制的感覺我才要尋求幫助所以這個可能我們在整個接案或是未來在回應的部分都要很小心所以給主委這樣的一個提醒因為 |
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當事者跟你們判斷者這個gap 這個落差這才是人民心裡的那一塊然後另外就是說我們一直在這一次風災的時候那地方的媒體也曾經報導過到底災害重建之後這些費用 |
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因為大家知道我們台南的書店差不多都破了這個大概那麼比例之多然後大家再復原重建那請問這些已經經由媒體的報導 |
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這個部分你們有去了解嗎報告委員我有責成業務單位去了解但是我們了解的重點還是說有沒有廠商利用這個機會在發災難財那有沒有進行特別是聯合烘台價格的部分因為你們去了解就會抑制他們這些動作你們沒有去主動了解他們會覺得沒有任何壓力所以你們現在了解的狀況呢 |
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我们在持续观察,但是因为没有特别具体的个案,但是我们会去了解现在目前的市场的价格情况。你们主动了解,会把一些真的想要这么做的一些业者,阻掉他们的一些想法,保障我们这些灾民在灾后重建的一个状况。所以你们主动出击,主动了解,这是非常重要的。 |
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所以我們再請公平會因為地方媒體有作帳的報導那民眾就會擔心那也確實我們有接受到有一些民眾的陳情說好像真的有類似的狀況所以你們可能動作要更大是我們會持續觀察後續還有很多 |
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需要重建的个案这个是很直接的再拜托我们主委那还有我一直在追的公平交易法的修正草案在这个部分我一直都有提案 |
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然後這個提案就是針對幾大重點事業結合申報的門檻然後擴大聯合行為的規範範疇修正行政調查的規定還有徵定判決書的登載於新聞電子報當中還有修正違法結合的行政責任規定強化不公平的競爭監管力度及效果 |
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这是我的提案那我也一直期待说我们的公平会赶快把公平交易法的修正草案赶快送到立法院来那现在呢进度呢因为我们之前的法案是撤回现在我们在会里面已经有另外也是持续的成立一个修法小组那已经开过一两次会议了所以你们只有内部而已对内部在研理我们现在要研理的是说那个整个修法的内容有没有新增想要修的条文 |
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那预计呢预计多久会从我们公平会送到行政院因为这个一定要到行政院对你们打算多久总是有一个时程表因为目前还在看看收集委员的意见好你们要预计要收集多久这个我很难在这边给委员一个具体的时间点因为委员有时候意见不太一致对啊那总是要定一个时间那一年两年如果 |
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委員大家意見都不一致那所以我們公平交易法這個已經那麼久沒有修法的部分已經那麼久的一套你無法應付現在日新月異的整個所謂的聯合壟斷擴大這個聯合的申報甚至是事業體的合併現在是層出不窮啊 |
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所以现在的状况已经不比以前了那到底要多久我想我们会尽快我不希望能够我个人也不会希望拖太久就像如同委员讲的这整个市场状况改变非常大那我是尽快极大不是很大是极大那当然因为是委员会制度委员的意见我必须要整合好那半年了这个会期有没有办法有可能看到你们送到行政院我不期待说你们送到立法院了 |
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送到行政院好不好我們會盡量努力啦送到行政院讓院裡面去討論因為從院裡面討論應該還要一段時間可是如果你們公評會裡面都沒送出來根本就一直在我們自己內部裡面討論 |
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我們永遠見不到天日當你行政院送出來之後那麼就會有一些討論的方向那還要一些公聽會可能到時候還要收集更多外部的力量所以這還要有時間 |
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所以我期待在這個會期我們可以從公平會把我們公平交易法修法草案面對現在層出不窮的整個事業合併還有聯合壟斷甚至是我們需要把一些相對的資訊趕快公告在我們的網站當中這個部分都一定要修法啦現在我們的法裡面是舊的你無法應付到現在網路上的一個狀況 |
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所以趕快在這個會期趕快送行政院然後再進行討論我們今天朝這個目標來做好 謝謝主委 謝謝 |